Formula One 2011

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I'll be watching this on a 45 minute delay. :lol:

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Formation lap under way. For me, anyway.

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Hamilton up to second.

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The incident between Vettel and Button right at the start (think he cut him off basically) is under investigation.

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Alonso ahead of Massa, no defending by Massa at all. Although it's tough to tell with him.

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No further action between Vettel and Button. I guess that is because it's at turn one at the very start of the race.

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Button back ahead of Hamilton. Hamilton has a problem and has to pit!

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It was a right rear puncture, Hamilton hadn't been looking after them again I guess.

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Buemi is out.

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Button is ahead of Vettel! Although that's fourth and fifth rather than first and second that it presumably will be later on.

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Massa and Hamilton touched each other again. :doh:

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Safety Car is out. Due to Hamilton taking a chunk out of Massa's front wing presumably.

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Webber loses his front wing against Schumacher!

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No further action between Hamilton and Massa. Race back under way.

[Master Splinter]

Shall I spoil it for you?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No. Alonso is ahead of Vettel!

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What an overtake by Sutil on one of the Saubers. :bow:

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Alonso is closing in on Button.

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Alonso is right up on Button now! Two laps to go.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Button wins! :bow: Congrats to him. Alonso second, Vettel third and is now a Double World Champion. :bow:. Congrats to him.

Then Webber, Hamilton, Schumacher and Massa. Button is second in the Drivers' Championship.

[Master Splinter]

So Vettel is pretty good?

Efficient Germans :bow:.

Ralf Schumacher :rose:.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Where is Ralf? His brother made a comeback, you'd think he could too.

[Ollie the Optimist]

from what i hear, massa caused the accident with lewis this time. last week lewis gets a drive through, this time nothing happens. i just want consistency in this sport. oh and the incident with vettel and button, should have been a drive through

[GP]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii205/duhhh1234/bitches.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

from what i hear, massa caused the accident with lewis this time. last week lewis gets a drive through, this time nothing happens. i just want consistency in this sport. oh and the incident with vettel and button, should have been a drive through

It was a racing incident this time. And this time it didn't really impede either driver, Massa lost part of his car but it didn't affect him in the say way as opposed to getting a punctured tyre.

Vettel and Button was right at the start, ones like that rarely get punished.

Also, Coulthard and Brundle seemed to indicate that if anyone was to be apportioned blame for the Hamilton/Massa one then it probably would be Hamilton (I think Coulthard called it 'naughty') but even so, that would be stretching it on this occasion.

[GP]

I don't think it's fair to point fingers elsewhere really.

I'm a massive Hamilton fan, but he's not had a good season. Some incidents weren't his fault, but a lot have been.

Needs to do better next year.

[GP]

Korean Grand Prix

Korea International Circuit, Yeongam, 14-16 October

Friday 14 October: Practice one - 0200-0330; Practice two - 0600-0730

Saturday 15 October: Practice three - 0300-0400; Qualifying - 0600-0700

Sunday 16 October: Race - 0700

http://dl.groovygecko.net/anon.groovy/clients/igentics/FIApress/inbrief/korea-460.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I like South Korea. A pretty wide track. Plus there's a pretty opportune DRS zone in it.

[GP]

Yeah it's a good circuit.

Hopefully Button can continue his good form, and that Hamilton crashes into Massa again, for the lulz.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I don't think you can seperate those two. It can't be too long before they take each other out.

[GP]

http://www.mclarenmembers.com/images/wallpapers/hi-res/2011/700-Wallpaper-1024x768.jpg

[GP]

Korean Grand Prix

Qualifying

1. HAM
2. VET
3. BUT

McLaren :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Force India didn't bother going out again in Q3.

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Formation lap under way.

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Contact at the start, near the back of the field. Massa is up to third after turn three! Vettel takes the lead!

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Webber is now third.

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Rosberg outpits Button but then makes an awful mistake on the way out. Now Rosberg is ahead of Button again!

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Now Button is ahead of Rosberg once again. :wacko:

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Safety Car is out! Petrov hit Schumacher at some point. Schumacher's rear wing is completely broken.

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Schumacher and Petrov are both out.

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Ferrari's pitstops didn't work out. Massa and Alonso are down in sixth and seventh now.

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Safety Car in this lap.

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Massa and Alonso both go ahead of Rosberg, due to Rosberg locking up.

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Webber and Hamilton are dancing round the track. :lol:

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Alonso went ahead of Massa sometime ago. Now he is up near Button, Webber and Hamilton. Massa is so slow.

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Ah Alonso must have taken too much out of the tyres, he isn't making any gains now.

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Webber is ahead of Hamilton going in to the DRS zone and now Hamilton has second back!

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Vettel wins! Congrats to him. Hamilton second, Webber third. Then Button, Alonso, Massa :lol:, Alguersauri, Rosberg, Bueami and Di Rest. Pretty strong effort from Toro Rosso, Alguersauri especially.

Also, Red Bull have now won the Constructors' Champioship too.

[GP]

Again, not F1, but...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcAZ7I_lk7M

Shitting hell :(

Indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon is apparently in pretty bad shape.

[GP]

Onboard with Will Power


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PurU_9_dkcY

:(

[GP]

Dan Wheldon was airlifted to hospital.

[PGFC]

Fuck.

[GP]

http://i54.tinypic.com/16ayvds.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fucking hell.

[GP]

Dan Wheldon has died


I feel sick

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:(

[Xhaka Can’t]

Just saw this.

His injuries would have been horrific to live with had he survived.

Awful.

[GP]

The other drivers will complete a 5 lap parade in his honour.

[GP]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/09/13/Wheldon-digs-at-NASCAR-accepts-Indy-challenge-C3CM1Q1-x-large.jpg

:(

[Olivier's xmas twist]

RIP Dan Wheldon

[GP]

Moto GP rider Marco Simoncelli has been killed in the race in Sepang :(

What a shit week

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah I just posted about it in the Moto thread, didn't realise he had been killed. :(

[GP]

Indian Grand Prix

Greater Noida, 28-30 October
Friday 28 October: Practice one - 0530-0700; Practice two - 0930-1100
Saturday 29 October: Practice three - 0630-0730; Qualifying - 0930-1030
Sunday 30 October: Race - 0930

http://www.f1mix.com/images/circuits/buddh-international-circuit.jpg

I don't really care about this any more.

[GP]

Sounds like Sky's commentary team will be David Croft and Martin Brundle.

I hope they can get Coulthard on board too.

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the deal? The Bodge-it Broadcasting Crackpots get some of the races and Loadsamoney get the rest? Or has Auntie Cuntflap lost all the races now? What do we actually get for the compulsory license fee these days? Does all of that go into the save a useless, happy-clappy, hippy cunt pension fund?

[GP]

Sky will show all the races live, BBC will show 10 live and highlights of the rest.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sky will show all the races live, BBC will show 10 live and highlights of the rest.

Why would anyone watch the 10 dual-coverage races on Sky, with their shit adverts every 15 seconds? Seems a bit silly and a waste of resources. The Beeb should have just turfed over the lot and concentrated on making documentaries about queers. Concentrate on what they do best.

[GP]

Sky's coverage won't have adverts during the race.

I'll probably watch them all on Sky.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

If BBC get Legard back...:doh:

[GP]

I really have no idea who'll be on the BBC.

Sky have apparently approached Ted Kravitz too.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The BBC must've known this was going to happen. Idiots.

[GP]

Lee McKenzie will probably go too.

It's alright though, they'll still have Eddie Jordan.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No thanks to me. :wave:

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Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been given a three-place grid pelanty for ignoring caution flags.

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Q3 is a few minutes in now.

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Massa has crashed out. :doh:

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Vettel on pole! Webber second, Alonso third. Then Button and Hamilton (actually finished second but the pelanty means he is fifth).

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Interview with Sachin Tendulkar in the McClaren garage. :bow: Sachin will be waving the chequered flag.

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Formation lap under way.

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Cars spininng down in turn 1 and turn 2, mostly backmarkers.

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Button is up to second! Alonso down in fourth. Massa is ahead of Hamilton.

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Maldonado is out. Kobayashi and Glock had to retire from the incident at the start.

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Hamilton and Massa have collided, again!

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Buemi is out.

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Drive through pelanty for Massa. Brundle and Coulthard predicted the opposite. :lol:

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Massa is out. A true shocker of a weekend.

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Vettel wins, again! Congrats to him. Button second, Alonso third, Webber fourth (another fairly poor race from him). Schumacher, Rosberg and Hamilton follow.

[Marc Overmars]

So is Vettel essentially the Barca of F1?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pretty much.

[GP]

So is Vettel essentially the Barca of F1?

Well, kinda. Vettell + Red Bull

If he had a teammate who wasn't useless it would probably be a bit different.

[GP]

http://twitpic.com/7852jg

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, kinda. Vettell + Red Bull

If he had a teammate who wasn't useless it would probably be a bit different.

The team strongly favours the dislikeable urchin over Webber and that's got to have a bearing both on performance and confidence. But yes, you stick Alonso in the Red Bull and give both drivers the same support and Vettel is second every time. Not sure about Hamilton, he's had a mare of a season and most of it has been his own fault.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alonso has made driving errors too. He was also passed fairly cleanly by Vettel (though Vettel had to place some of the car on the grass) at Monza. Just like Hamilton was at Yeongam and neither of those were in a DRS zone. The Red Bull car is not the fastest in all facets of racing, it's getting a bit tiresome labouring this point - straight line speed the most notable. Clearly though, whatever Red Bull and Vettel are doing together is working, why would they want to put another driver in just to prove his ability or alleged lackthereof?

And I'm not sure there has been a huge amount of evidence of hugely favouring Vettel over Webber this season, certainly nothing you wouldn't expect a team to make a sensible decision about anyway. The reliability in the car is there for Webber by virtue of the fact only once has he failed to finish, the only persistant mechanical issue Webber seems to have is with KERS but that seems to be the case for Vettel sometimes too. I don't accept Webber has a lack of confidence, no way would he have gone side-by-side with Alonso like he did at Spa if that was the case. His main problem is dropping back on the first lap - he has lost more places from his starting positions than anybody else, I think.

[GP]

Yeah I'm not sure Webber is being disadvantaged by the team in any obvious way, I just don't see him as a top-level driver. He's a midfield driver in a winning team, and sometimes that shows. At no point this season has he troubled Vettell in any way.

And you're right that the Red Bull isn't the fastest in a straight line (that's the Toro Rosso this weekend) but over a lap of a racing circuit, they are by far the fastest, and have been for 2 and a half seasons.

I'm not taking anything away from Vettell, he's clearly very fast, but some (not yourself) seem to be under the impression he's working miracles with a midfield car.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well there's no doubt that the Red Bull is probably the fastest on say fast corners (like in Sector 2/3 of India) and they aren't exactly slow in straight line speed. It just seems a bit churlish for him to constantly be denigrated for being in the fastest overall car when how often is it that the winner of the World Championship wasn't in the fastest overall car? You don't hear anybody ever discredit Button's win with Brawn GP (rightly so having said that) although like you indicate, the second half of that season Brawn tailed off a little bit.

There probably is a middle ground here to be had but it comes across as rather embittered. It's like the racing equivalent of saying you need to prove you can do it on a wet, windy night in the Britannia before you can be outrightly praised.

The BBC posed the question after Vettel finished fourth at the Nurburgring about what we're talking about here but at the subsequent races have admitted they were wrong to suggest he can't 'race'.

It's interesting why there is this discussion about Vettel in the first place (and I mean not just on GW, many other forums and in the media). Is it because we have a problem as a nation or just as people as accepting the person in the present being one of the best drivers we've seen? Or is it because (at least in the media) they don't want to be seen as rating another nations' driver over one of 'their' guys whilst he is still racing?

[GP]

Well, of course. The World Champion is ALWAYS in either the fastest or at least among the fastest car. For example, Kimi, Hamilton and Alonso have won the championship in extremely fast cars, without being completely dominant. In fact, Red Bull would have wrapped up the title much earlier last season had it not been for their early reliability issues. Like you said, their cars have been bulletproof this season, which has just underlined how dominant they've been.

[GP]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2wgsqgz.gif

:lol:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

In Japan they refer to him as Mr Bean rather than Rowan Atkinson, even the commentator said 'Look at Mr Beans face hahaha!'

[GP]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZuQcDc19ndA/Tq20ycx0UhI/AAAAAAAAAKg/3DVP6AmV1EY/s382/autosport2.gif

:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Mr Bean. :bow:

What a man.

[GP]

Johnny English :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sky will have their own dedicated channel from March 2012.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12040/7332332/Sky-Sports-launches-F1-channel

BBC. :rose:

[GP]

BBCs top presenting talent is being poached too.

Brundle, Croft, Kravitz, all off to Sky.

[GP]

Brazilian Grand Prix

Interlagos, 25-27 November

Friday 25 November: Practice one - 1200-1330; Practice two - 1600-1730

Saturday 26 November: Practice three - 1300-1400; Qualifying - 1600-1700

Sunday 27 November: Race - 1600

http://www.brazilforless.com/images/img-grandprix1.gif

Interlagos :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Sky will have their own dedicated channel from March 2012.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12040/7332332/Sky-Sports-launches-F1-channel

BBC. :rose:

Does this mean they can increase the license fee? Traditionally when the quality of service goes down the cost goes up. So we could get stung badly here.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think they will anyway. Due to the Olympics.

Vettel on pole with a 1.11! Webber second, Button third. Then Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg, Massa.

[GP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7KTradQ_4

[Marc Overmars]

Looks like Sky have blown the Beeb out of the water.

BBC. :rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fat Ronaldo is there. :bow:

His kid isn't interested in the race. :lol:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Ronaldo's kid :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Formation lap under way.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alonso is ahead of Hamilton, Webber actually holds his position for once.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Schumacher and Senna collide!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alonso does Button on the outside! That was a brilliant pass.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Possible gearbox issue for Vettel.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vettel yields to Webber.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vettel is somehow setting fastest laps.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Hamilton is out of the race!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Button is back up to third ahead of Alonso!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Webber wins, finally! Congrats to him. Vettel second, Button third.

[GP]

Webber wins. Congrats

Vettel 2nd

Button 3rd

Can't help but feel that Red Bull let him have that one.

[GP]

Horner: 'Well done Mark, you've won!'

Webber: 'Yep, thanks'

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

As excited as Ronaldo's son.

[GP]

As excited as Ronaldo's son.

Yeah he knew that one was a gift.

[Ollie the Optimist]

you probs already know this but brundle confirms he has signed for sky next year

[GP]

yep, I expect david croft and ted kravitz to be announced soon too.

[Ollie the Optimist]

yep, I expect david croft and ted kravitz to be announced soon too.

i hope couthard stays at bbc, i dont have sky and always like him as a comentator

[GP]

Coulthard will stay. No idea who'll be main commentator though.

Lee MacKenzie will take over Ted's role as pit lane reporter.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Coulthard will stay. No idea who'll be main commentator though.

Lee MacKenzie will take over Ted's role as pit lane reporter.

i guess the reason they are leaving is because they want to work full time not part time as sky show every race. wonder if there is a chance jake and ej will go? i guess jake wont as he is contracted to the bbc or can you work for them on some stuff and others on other.

who do you reckon will replace MB? will they bring back legard?

[GP]

Jake will stay. He's got the Olympic coverage so he won't be leaving the BBC. EJ, I have no idea.

I'll be watching on Sky anyway, so I'm not all that worried.

[GP]

Kimi Raikkonen signs a 2-year deal with LRGP.

He's back.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Welcome back Kimi.

[GP]

Six world champions on the grid next season.

[GP]

Race of Champions on at the moment. On Motors TV and online.

Glock, Petrov, Vettel, Schumacher, Button and DC all competing.

[GP]

Petrov beats Schumacher in the KTM :lol:

[GP]

JB vs DC now :popcorn:

[GP]

Button wins!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Petrov beats Schumacher in the KTM :lol:

Schumacher. :lol:

[GP]

Looks like Steve Ryder will be presenting for Sky.

Lineup to be announced on wednesday.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Steve Ryder? He gets around a bit.

[GP]

The not confirmed of course, but he was presenting the Autosport awards last night and some comments were made which suggested it.

[GP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PAF2YnpH1I&feature=youtu.be

:lol:

[GP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu1stGgZM4&feature=related

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Button. :bow:

Rider's face when Button first mentioned it. :lol:

[GP]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/jimjimjeroo/IMG_0934.jpg

[GP]

Lotus have hired Romain Grosjean to race alongside Kimi. Despite Vitaly Petrov having a contract as well...

Which also leaves Senna out in the cold too...

Lotus are also planning to be world champions in '2 or 3 years' :lol:

[GP]

Both Buemi and Alguersuari are out of Toro Rosso. Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne will replace them.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

F1 2012 is going to be very, very different.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Kubica has broken his leg. Poor bastard.

[GP]

Yeah heard about this earlier.

I can't see him returning to F1, sadly.

[Niall_Quinn]

F1 2012 is going to be very, very different.

Why, are they introducing even more silly rules to try to randomise the results?

[GP]

http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m34359/899160012.gif

Dirty Aussies

[McNamara"That Ghlst...]

What a GHEL. :scarf: