Match Reaction Vs Norwich

[IBK]

I want is to win every match we play and that will always be my mindset ahead of games. However, I feel the only escape from this rut will come from a failure to qualify for the ECL or the real prospect of doing so ahead of negotiation of commercial deals.

There will be no impetus on the money men to do anything while the cash rolls in.

It is depressing to think our hope of reform lies in how the Board views the potential value of assets and income

Wouldn't it be nice to have a Club run by those who want to win on the pitch instead of the balance sheet?

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:gp: Can't fault that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger will not be going unless he chooses to go. He is absolutely perfect for this club. No other manager could manage the priorities of the board so efficiently.

1. Make them richer.
2. Get us into Europe to keep cash flowing.
3. Other stuff connected to the finances of the club.
...
993. Give the fans a equitable return on their investment.
994. Entertain.
Yeah well. So's your face :coffee:

[selassie]

Why. Nah people on here no how much i supported the guy, but enough is enough. For me he can go Ill be sad in a way but time for freshness. Not that it will make much diffrence with Ivan and ****s still around. Least we may see decent tactics.

I wanted Wenger gone a few seasons back. He's had enough chances and has failed miserably. This new policy of selling our stars to our rivals is lunacy. I really do not understand what's going on at the club and I don't understand why we can't spend what we recoup on Transfers...are we really that broke?

Everything about what we do is reactive both on and off the field.

We pride ourselves on being different.

[dazthegooner]

Well tbf Fergie did sell us Silvestor a few years back sp we did owe then one :unsure:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I wanted Wenger gone a few seasons back. He's had enough chances and has failed miserably. This new policy of selling our stars to our rivals is lunacy. I really do not understand what's going on at the club and I don't understand why we can't spend what we recoup on Transfers...are we really that broke?

Everything about what we do is reactive both on and off the field.

We pride ourselves on being different.

Yeo happy being best of the rest tbh. You have the top 3 then you have the rest and were the best of the rest (he says loosely)

[Niall_Quinn]

I really do not understand what's going on at the club

A few already wealthy individuals are using it (have used it) to further enrich themselves. They are riding on the back of what this club has achieved in the past for as long as it will carry them. That's the entire club in a nutshell, everything else is shop dressing to conceal the primary objective.

[dazthegooner]

The thing as we all know why it happening whilst Arsenal are gettig the revenue from 60,000 fans per week the board don't really care if we win anything or not, regular fans could say well I won't go for a while but then fans that haven't been able to see Arsenal would snap them up so there would be no difference.
The board know this...

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Letting RvC go to Utd has damaged this club in several major and fundamental ways. The message that sent won't be shaken off easily. You couple that with a string of false dawns and even a good run won't shake the doubts. The atmosphere around this club stinks. For the past 3-4 years anyone who has been paying attention could have predicted the outcome of each season in advance - same goes for this season. So it must eventually get difficult to muster enthusiasm for the inevitable.

In fact why not do this.

Whew! We got 4th. Thank fuck for that, thought we were going to be caught and we would have been if the season went two games longer. So then, does anyone think Cazorla will stay? He says he loves the club - I think (hope) he'll stay. Word is Messi is coming, don't think it will happen but you never know. Roll on 2014.

spot fucking on.

lets not forget our board have put money aside in the pot in case we dont make the top 4 and miss out on champions league revenue- it isnt a case of 'we're gonna invest in the squad and go for the premier league or european cup to ensure champions league revenue', its a case of 'we wont invest in the squad and if we dont make the top 4 it doesnt matter because we have money aside in the pot'.

that attitude stinks. its a sub-standard, defeatist attitude you'd expect at a club like marseille.

[dazthegooner]

And also would the board please go and :ilt: themselves :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah well. So's your face :coffee:

Very very fucking immature, and so is your face.

[Niall_Quinn]

And also would the board please go and :ilt: themselves :good:

Yes, I think the board killing themselves or being murdered, either is just as good, is fundamental to the progress of the club. I suspect it will have to be murder because it seems to me they think they are doing an amazing job. They boast about their failures enough, that's for sure.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Very very fucking immature, and so is your face.

:hug:

[Özim]

As long has he gets his 70k every week, he couldn't give a flyin fuck. :coffee:
Correction 135k a week.

[Fats]

I don't think there is a question now the Wenger now has to go. The board should be making every effort to get guidiola and let Wenger retire.

[jelgoon]

Well it wouldnt take much to finish Hill Wood off. Just ply him with brandy and make him run round the pitch. He'd collapse in two seconds and probably explode


Yes, I think the board killing themselves or being murdered, either is just as good, is fundamental to the progress of the club. I suspect it will have to be murder because it seems to me they think they are doing an amazing job. They boast about their failures enough, that's for sure.

[jelgoon]

I think you'll find there's more chance of finding life on Mars than the board getting rid of Wenger forGardiola. The only Wenger is going anywhere is 1) he decides that he is too crap and doesnt renew his contract or 2) Usamanov makes a mad bid which Kroenke accepts (not entirely out of the question) and then Usmanov gets rid of Wenger
I don't think there is a question now the Wenger now has to go. The board should be making every effort to get guidiola and let Wenger retire.

[jelgoon]

Exactly - probably even more. I dont know where Milla got her figure from. With his achievements on the pitch over the last 8 years, Wenger deserves every penny of the 7 million quid annual salary


Correction 135k a week.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I don't think there is a question now the Wenger now has to go. The board should be making every effort to get guidiola and let Wenger retire.

:gp:

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Still pissed off today, what a fucking shambles we were Saturday night. I really really hate saf, but do you think any of his teams would put in a performance like that? Of course not! Would they even dare!? So many of united's players are very average yet that doesn't stop them from putting in a shift giving it their all.

The more I reflect AW is a very big problem that needs addressing. We saw a promising start with a clear influence from Steve Bould, but after a couple of months working with as #2 to seems AW has eroded that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Still pissed off today, what a fucking shambles we were Saturday night. I really really hate saf, but do you think any of his teams would put in a performance like that? Of course not! Would they even dare!? So many of united's players are very average yet that doesn't stop them from putting in a shift giving it their all.

The more I reflect AW is a very big problem that needs addressing. We saw a promising start with a clear influence from Steve Bould, but after a couple of months working with as #2 to seems AW has eroded that.

Did we, all that happend was we defendedd well for a few games still leaking stupid goals which Bould is supposed to have cleaned up. Think its unfair to say Wenger has made bould poor its only been 8 games or so.

[jelgoon]

I think our defence is appalling. Bould has made absolutely no difference because Wenger is so arrogant he probably gives him two minutes with the defence at the end of training. The rest of the time the defence is probably learning to play tappy-tappy shit with the rest of the team
Did we, all that happend was we defendedd well for a few games still leaking stupid goals which Bould is supposed to have cleaned up. Think its unfair to say Wenger has made bould poor its only been 8 games or so.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think our defence is appalling. Bould has made absolutely no difference because Wenger is so arrogant he probably gives him two minutes with the defence at the end of training. The rest of the time the defence is probably learning to play tappy-tappy shit with the rest of the team

TBF to bould he is not working with the best of defenders or keepers. Yeah Jenks/Gibbs/Merts have been awesome this season but our GK's have been terrible. like SWAYR said you can't coach shit out of shit tbh it is what it is. Mannone will never been world class and true to fact a quality GK should have been brought in.

It don't help TV5 seems to bomb up the pitch instead of staying in place. but like you say its more of less they are learning tippy tappy. Some need to learn the basics though.

[Kano]

I think our defence is appalling. Bould has made absolutely no difference because Wenger is so arrogant he probably gives him two minutes with the defence at the end of training. The rest of the time the defence is probably learning to play tappy-tappy shit with the rest of the team
that's not right. the shape of the team is far better than previous seasons but individual mistakes keeping popping up, which is down to individual concentration. plus, years of haphazardness back there won't be rectified in 8 games.

[Niall_Quinn]

that's not right. the shape of the team is far better than previous seasons but individual mistakes keeping popping up, which is down to individual concentration. plus, years of haphazardness back there won't be rectified in 8 games.

Agreed, it looks a lot more organised but there's always a critical weakness somewhere. Right now it's a disaster of a keeper who has zero command over his box and whose decision making is comedy strip material. You want a back five, a back four isn't good enough. Arteta is doing his job in front of the defence, Merts and Jenks and even Gibbs for most part have been doing an okay job (because let's not get carried away). Vermaelen has been undisciplined though, just as he assumes the captaincy. It's so Arsenal, topsy turvy.

[Fist of Lehmann]

It's little bit objective but I would put a lot of the goals down to individual errors rather than systemic failure.

I think the goals v Olympiakos and West Ham were poorly defended, but most of the others involved some kind of error in judgement or handling.

Wouldn't have gotten us more than a point anyway. Pod has been much quieter of late, and I wonder whether he struggling to work off of Giroud. Gervinho on the right is like a different player, a shit one.

[GP]

I think some things can be over analysed.

Sometimes a good goal is just that. The West Ham goal wasn't necessarily bad defending OR an individual error.

[LDG]

Every team in the league will say that any goal conceded could be avoided. But that's what it's all about.

Our problem is getting the basics right consistently, and not repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Problem wasn't defending on Saturday....it was just another gaff by a Keeper who is not good enough for this level. Szcehevehjkey on form, is decent enough....but when he's not, we have no adequate back up.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I think some things can be over analysed.

Sometimes a good goal is just that. The West Ham goal wasn't necessarily bad defending OR an individual error.

True, sometimes goals are unavoidable, and Diame's finish was excellent. If I were was Ramsey though, I would have been pretty disappointed with that.

[GP]

True, sometimes goals are unavoidable, and Diame's finish was excellent. If I were was Ramsey though, I would have been pretty disappointed with that.

IF you were Aaron Ramsey, what part of your game wouldn't you be disappointed with?

[Fist of Lehmann]

:lol:

[LDG]

IF you were Aaron Ramsey, what part of your game wouldn't you be disappointed with?

Apparently his handicap on the golf course is pretty good :shrug:

[GP]

Apparently his handicap on the golf course is pretty good :shrug:

It's his handicap on the football pitch I'm worried about.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's his handicap on the football pitch I'm worried about.

Not so sure, he's always below par from what I see.

[LDG]

It's his handicap on the football pitch I'm worried about.

He has been appauling for some time now.

[selassie]

Every team in the league will say that any goal conceded could be avoided. But that's what it's all about.

Our problem is getting the basics right consistently, and not repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Problem wasn't defending on Saturday.... it was just another gaff by a Keeper who is not good enough for this level. Szcehevehjkey on form, is decent enough....but when he's not, we have no adequate back up.

Yup, he was c*cking up at Hull in the Championship last season too, they didn't want him.

Our only saving grace is he's our 3rd choice keeper but as you say he's clearly not good enough, everybody can see this so why on earth does Wenger persist with him? Mannone shouldn't even be at the club.

What I don't understand is why we can't move for another quality keeper, competition breeds a higher level of performance, if other top 6 clubs have 2 very good keepers why can't we?

It's not even like quality keepers trade for that much money, we could have picked up many a decent keeper for under 10million over the past few years.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Every team in the league will say that any goal conceded could be avoided. But that's what it's all about.

Our problem is getting the basics right consistently, and not repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Problem wasn't defending on Saturday....it was just another gaff by a Keeper who is not good enough for this level. Szcehevehjkey on form, is decent enough....but when he's not, we have no adequate back up.


I think some things can be over analysed.

Sometimes a good goal is just that. The West Ham goal wasn't necessarily bad defending OR an individual error.

Spot on.

End of the day, we were shit they had a chance and took that chance and it won them the game.

[-Xs-]

IF you were Aaron Ramsey, what part of your game wouldn't you be disappointed with?

I'd be pretty chuffed if I were him; somehow he's managed to convince AW there's a PL quality footballer there - can play awful from one game to the next and still guarantee his place in next weeks starting 11. Seems a pretty sweet deal.

[milla]

I'd be pretty chuffed if I were him; somehow he's managed to convince AW there's a PL quality footballer there - can play awful from one game to the next and still guarantee his place in next weeks starting 11. Seems a pretty sweet deal.

One of Wumger many many bastard sons. Ramsey must be from the drunken bint in Cardiff 23 years ago.. :coffee:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

One of Wumger many many bastard sons. Ramsey must be from the drunken bint in Cardiff 23 years ago.. :coffee:

I thought i saw the resemblance.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He has been appauling for some time now.

wenger fucked up on keepers big time.

stuck almunia in goal, ended fucking us over. stuck fabianski in goal, ended fucking us over. tried mannone and he fucked up early in his arsenal career too. even chez has had his fair share of bad games.

should have just splashed £15m on an experienced keeper years ago. would have saved us the hassle of losing at least 15 points every season.

[hobson's choice]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

[Niall_Quinn]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

It wasn't just that, and I don't agree that incident was bad luck - it was bad goalkeeping. Every keeper knows if you can't smother it you parry it away to safety. Yep, every keeper makes mistakes from time to time but few have as poor a command of their penalty box or back four as Mannone. He's completely out of his depth. We've had years of watching crap goalkeeping interspersed by one decent run of form from Chesney. It's just boring now, it would be a lot more fun to go and buy a decent GK.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

The only reason Mannone does not personally deserve stick is because there is no way in hell he should be placed in the situation where"he is in goal at a Club in the Premier League. He is way out of his depth but can hardly be blamed for being selected to play beyond his capabilities.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger doesn't understand that a great keeper and make a huce difference and save yku point{. Cech has saved Chelsea some gnals this season already and look at the amount of games we've had when a keeper has played a blinder.

Can't be too hazsh thouch. Chesney is a good keeper that has done that in the past but he is out injured. But we should"have bought an experienced back up keeper.

[Marc Overmars]

Appqrently we flew to Norwich. It was a 14 minute flight. :haha:

[LDG]

[QUOTE=Marc Ovdrmars;2p7208]Apparently

[V-Pig]

I'm,going tg Newcastle today. It's

[Niall_Quinn]

Why ngt fly to China and not aome back?

[Gervinho's Forehead]

[QUOT=Niall_Quinn;207213]Why not fly to China and not come back?[/QUOTE]

:gp:

[LDG]

I have to go into town in a minute to do the banking.

Think I'll take my helicopter.

[Cripps_orig]

Didnt watch the match, havent seen the goal or any highlights of it

Only know the resulu.

Cos i didnt watch it, i have the same feeling about it that i have about other games i missed sucj as the 5-2 v Spuds last season or the 3-5 v Chelsea

Its a bit meh

[Gervinho's Forehead]

:lol:

Are there many heli parking spaces in Winchester?

[Marc Overmars]

Yep drove to Luton and flew from there to Norwich.

Why not get the train from Liverpool Street instead?? Hire a whole first class carriage job done.

I think those trains were cancelled tbf. The club wanted to avoid traffic on the road though. :lol:

[selassie]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

Mannone is a poor keeper IMHO. He's absolutely not good enough for a top 4 side let alone any other PL team.

He can't catch, doesn't command his box, is a poor decision maker and at best is an adequate shot stopper.

You can see he doesn't inspire confidence to the defence.

He's a liability.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Mannone is a poor keeper IMHO. He's absolutely not good enough for a top 4 side let alone any other PL team.

He can't catch, doesn't command his box, is a poor decision maker and at best is an adequate shot stopper.

You can see he doesn't inspire confidence to the defence.

He's a liability.

He can't kick either, he often kicks it straight out of play.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

errr how about not palming a shot straight into the opposition strikers feet? holt wont score an easier goal than that.

funny thing is the ball should have been palmed away to his left where there was no danger but in true arsenal style he fucked it up and it fell straight to holt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Honestly I don't understand the stick Mannone is getting what else could he had done in that situation, it was a good shot, was able to get his hands on it. Those things are gonna happen to every goalie, some just get lucky that balls bounces back to a teammate.

Im sorry but a Joe hart or a cech would have done better hit it to the side. End of the day he is not good enough and it was obvious he would make a mistake and cost us points.

Maybe if he spent more time practicing then worrying about playong for milan or not signing a new deal he'd be better off.

Like WW said shouls have brought a decent back up keeper but who is the question.

[Syn]

A lot of ifs...Hart let a similar shot from Ronaldo in last month. Also if Kos was there instead of Mertesacker, he'd have beaten fatty Holt to the ball. But, yes, it was a goalkeeping error - it wasn't a horrendous shot to deal with and he didn't judge it right.

[milla]

I have to go into town in a minute to do the banking.

Think I'll take my helicopter.

http://www.policegiftshop.co.uk/SiteData/Default/Products/Images/XL/T9-51.jpg

[Xhaka Can’t]

LDG has an impressive chopper.

[jelgoon]

It was worse. At least the Spuds and Chelski are reasonable teams not bottom-of-the table shite

Didnt watch the match, havent seen the goal or any highlights of it

Only know the result.

Cos i didnt watch it, i have the same feeling about it that i have about other games i missed sucj as the 5-2 v Spuds last season or the 3-5 v Chelsea

Its a bit meh

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4605654/Gunners-15-minute-jet-flight.html

:lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal Traveling in style :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

But their high-priced flight has been attacked by environmental campaigners as “absolutely absurd”.

Silly ****s. a 14 minutes flight is better than a 2 hour flight isn't it? In terms of saving the world from that fake and utterly discredited global warming climate change hug the trees bullshit?

Arsenal - saving the environment by taking shorter flights :bow: