Match reaction vs the Mancs

[jelgoon]

Well if he had any confidence before MOTD there wont be much left after Hansen's demolition of him.
Agreed. Santos is the worst defender I have ever seen and that's not some BS Internet hyperbole. He's fucking cack. Just stands there as the game goes on around him. He's not a defender in a million years, he's a thousand times better going forward and he's pretty shit at that too.

[Syn]

I don't think Jack would leave. He has said he's here for life and I reckon he's right. But he has little bit problem - which is that he can't handle defeats. He needs to sort that attitude out if he really is to survive here.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think Jack would leave. He has said he's here for life and I reckon he's right. But he has little bit problem - which is that he can't handle defeats. He needs to sort that attitude out if he really is to survive here.

2014, £28mill to Utd. He'll need to put in an uninjured season first. If he doesn't want to go he'll be forced out. He's ideal for Utd and now the precedent has been set with RvC there will be no issues with the switch. We'll all be utterly weary and past caring by that point anyway. And we'll also have signed Emile Heskey on loan.

[Marc Overmars]

Once he's back into the swing of things properly he'll be given the Scholes defence when he starts flying into tackles.

[Niall_Quinn]

Once he's back into the swing of things properly he'll be given the Scholes defence when he starts flying into tackles.

Like I said, perfect for Utd.

Here's a quote from Ferguson. **** and all, but it's getting too humiliating.

"I can't believe it. The chances we had to bury them … we should have scored five, six, even more. I'm disappointed. I spoke to the players at the start of the season about the importance of goal difference. We lost the league last season on goal difference and I don't want it to happen again. We had the chance to add to that today."

[Syn]

Fuck. That's awful.

[jelgoon]

He's a kid with a temperament to match. If we continue to be shit as Im sure we will be ( who believes that shit about us being able to compete in two years time) he could well be off to Barca or Real or a host of clubs if he improves. Players dont stay for life anymore unless they are playing for Manure


I don't think Jack would leave. He has said he's here for life and I reckon he's right. But he has little bit problem - which is that he can't handle defeats. He needs to sort that attitude out if he really is to survive here.

[Marc Overmars]

Like I said, perfect for Utd.

Here's a quote from Ferguson. **** and all, but it's getting too humiliating.

"I can't believe it. The chances we had to bury them … we should have scored five, six, even more. I'm disappointed. I spoke to the players at the start of the season about the importance of goal difference. We lost the league last season on goal difference and I don't want it to happen again. We had the chance to add to that today."

Winning is not enough for him and that's why the **** has been around for so long and blows Wenget out the water.

[Kano]

even with last seasons start we haf 16 points after ten games.

it's only one point but these things tend to become incremental quite quickly.

[Niall_Quinn]

Would love to be the club that beats them at OT by just enough goals to see them lose it on GD again. Ram that back down his throat. But I don't believe he's even trying to rub it in here, I don't think he views us as anything other than a routine opponent any more. And the chances of us winning at OT are zero so all in all a silly posting by me.

[Kano]

because we are no longer a threat, or a challenge. the way to beat us was set in stone years ago and he has stuck faithfully to that blueprint successfully. thats why he called it a 'strange game' and 'nothing like previous games' because the dynamics have changed and they kick off expecting the three points, rather than hoping so.

[Marc Overmars]

because we are no longer a threat, or a challenge. the way to beat us was set in stone years ago and he has stuck faithfully to that blueprint successfully. thats why he called it a 'strange game' and 'nothing like previous games' because the dynamics have changed and they kick off expecting the three points, rather than hoping so.

Yeah and the fans also see us as their bunnies as well. I have a few United supporting mates and the lack of banter about this fixture was unusual. It's genuinely not a big fixture for them anymore, particuarly with City in the picture now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't they know how strong our balance sheet is? Ignorant northerners.

[jelgoon]

They looked pretty friendly in the tunnel.


Is this sort of shit real though, or just pantomime?

Jack will be gone in the summer.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well obviously it's a different team, we sold all our best players off 2 at a time :lol:

That's pure speculation, they didn't win it so that can't be proved, in addition Eduardo was highly overrated considering the amount of goals he'd scored for us....up until Christmas he'd hardly featured.

Saying should is all very good, but they didn't which in the end means something within the setup wasn't good enough, the only thing we could have won was the CC cup a few years back, because we had the stronger team, not convinced about the rest at all.My point was he assembled a teqam that was good enough, them not winning is a diffrent thing altogther.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I bet Chelsea are pretty happy they got rid of old croaky voice, he's a rubbish manager...I was happy to see the Spuds get him (some people seemed to think he was decent and the only reason Chelsea were rubbish under him were the players not liking him)

Why would you care if Spuds got him and Chelsea lost him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

there is so much bullshit in there i dont know where to start.

1. snatos is a **** for swapping shirts. wait till the end of the fucking game, dont do it at half time. at half time your focus should be on how to improve and get back in the game, dont give a fuck about the opposition no matter who it is.

2. gallas has a strong mentality? yeah he showed that by crying in the centre circle during a game

3. joey barton? piss off

:gp:

When someone says we should buy Joey Barton, you stop reading there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We need goals at the end of the day and that's really what he offers,on the wing never thought he was much kop, said so in the summer in the Euros where he did nothing.

So if you think he is shit, why does it matter where he is put, he'll always be no good in you eyes.

[Letters]

even with last seasons start we haf 16 points after ten games.

it's only one point but these things tend to become incremental quite quickly.
I'm not sure that logic works. It was 10 different games although we did have a similarly tough start.
This year we've already played the 3 top sides - 2 away - and only got one point from those 3 games.
Last year we lost away at Blackburn, ManYoo and Spurs and at home to Liverpool in the first 10 games.
This year we've drawn too many but a point away at Stoke and City isn't a disaster losing away at Utd and home to Chelsea (who are clearly a very different side to last year - our 10th game then was the 5-3 at Stamford Bridge but they were all over the shop for the first half of last season)

Last year we had 5 home and 5 away games in the first 10, this year it's been 4 at home and 6 away and overall, having played the top 3 sides (who will certainly all be top 3 come May) this year has been a tougher start than last year.

Early season we were looking pretty good. Now we're not. If we can recapture our early season form then overall I think we'll do better this year, points wise. If not then probably not. But 10 games is too early to be that sure IMO.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

I'm not sure that logic works. It was 10 different games although we did have a similarly tough start.
This year we've already played the 3 top sides - 2 away - and only got one point from those 3 games.
Last year we lost away at Blackburn, ManYoo and Spurs and at home to Liverpool in the first 10 games.
This year we've drawn too many but a point away at Stoke and City isn't a disaster losing away at Utd and home to Chelsea (who are clearly a very different side to last year - our 10th game then was the 5-3 at Stamford Bridge but they were all over the shop for the first half of last season)

Last year we had 5 home and 5 away games in the first 10, this year it's been 4 at home and 6 away and overall, having played the top 3 sides (who will certainly all be top 3 come May) this year has been a tougher start than last year.

Early season we were looking pretty good. Now we're not. If we can recapture our early season form then overall I think we'll do better this year, points wise. If not then probably not. But 10 games is too early to be that sure IMO.

Last year we also had the top scorer in the league playing for us...as well as battling midfielder who assisted him several times and a winger who started games and looked like he'd sign an extension with us.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Last year we also had the top scorer in the league playing for us...as well as battling midfielder who assisted him several times and a winger who started games and looked like he'd sign an extension with us.

Yet with those 3 players we went to old trafford and got battered 8-2.

[Özim]

They looked pretty friendly in the tunnel.
Yeah I heard Roy Keane had been invited to bring our lads flowers and chocolates but unfortunately he fell ill.

Our guys was very disappointed, I think that explains their performance.

[Özim]

Yet with those 3 players we went to old trafford and got battered 8-2.
One of them went to OT yesterday and scored.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

One of them went to OT yesterday and scored.

Irrelvant to my point.

[Özim]

Irrelvant to my point.
What's your point? Because they were talking about the season not 1 match.

[Power n Glory]

We can't disguise the fact that we're looking like a team that's run out of ideas already. Even though we were shocking last year, we had just bought a load of new players and there was a sense of optimism. Besides that, our three remaining longest servicing Arsenal players leading tue charge. Now we are playing without those three players. It's too muh of a transition and there isn't one class player in the starting line up that has the experience to lead the team. Our top goal scorers and creators are both on the bench! We're in serious trouble this year.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What's your point? Because they were talking about the season not 1 match.

I was talking about the match.

[Özim]

Yeah but the point made wasn't about the match which means your point is irrelevant.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah but the point made wasn't about the match which means your point is irrelevant.

Not really no, that game was part of the league. RVP was in the team who lost 8-2 regardless of where he went this season. How can anyone compare this season to last season, when it has not even finished yet.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Yet with those 3 players we went to old trafford and got battered 8-2.
We did indeed, but I would say that those 3 players were the most crucial in making sure we didn't finish mid-table - which is a very real prospect if things continue as they are now.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

We did indeed, but I would say that those 3 players were the most crucial in making sure we didn't finish mid-table - which is a very real prospect if things continue as they are now.

And just as an aside...I heard that the left back at Swansea...Ben Davis or something? Earns 400GBP a week and 1000GBP bonus when he plays in the first team...he looks quality...we spend almost 6million on Santos?!!! Find 15 players with some heart and we'll have a squad worthy of competing...yet again we find ourselves laden with 'hangers-on' - get rid of them and bring in some new fresh faces that want to do everything for our shirt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And just as an aside...I heard that the left back at Swansea...Ben Davis or something? Earns 400GBP a week and 1000GBP bonus when he plays in the first team...he looks quality...we spend almost 6million on Santos?!!! Find 15 players with some heart and we'll have a squad worthy of competing...yet again we find ourselves laden with 'hangers-on' - get rid of them and bring in some new fresh faces that want to do everything for our shirt.

They got one called Neil Taylor who is 1st choice he is much better then Ben and Santos.


We did indeed, but I would say that those 3 players were the most crucial in making sure we didn't finish mid-table - which is a very real prospect if things continue as they are now.
Oh i agree amd no doubt, without 2 of them we will struggle.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We can't disguise the fact that we're looking like a team that's run out of ideas already. Even though we were shocking last year, we had just bought a load of new players and there was a sense of optimism. Besides that, our three remaining longest servicing Arsenal players leading tue charge. Now we are playing without those three players. It's too muh of a transition and there isn't one class player in the starting line up that has the experience to lead the team. Our top goal scorers and creators are both on the bench! We're in serious trouble this year.

We look like a team with no quality, well only 1 or 2 bits, cause thats what we are. Me you and Zimm and berkampwonderland10 can see it and everyone on here, but Wenger and his lot seems to think its ok. As SWAYR says, we were fucked when quality replacements never came in for those we sold, instead of Wenger and co putting money in their bannks.

Like NQ says, its not the Board or the manager or the players who leave who suffer its us the fans.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much.

We sold them our captain and best player. You couldn't get a clearer admission that we don't see ourselves as credible rivals to them now.

I'm not going to wring my hands about a defeat away at Old Trafford. We're competing with teams like Liverpool, Spurs and Newcastle now, not Chelsea or the Manchester clubs.

This, its sad ti think it but we are.


I think people are being unrealistic if they think we can go to Old Trafford and win these days. The club's ambitions are clear. They want to finish 4th and you don't need to win at OT to achieve that. We were playing for damage limitation from the first minute. We weren't actually playing to try to win, so why on earth expect it? Time for some people to wake up and smell the coffee.

We have not won at old trafford alot of them time anyways, so its not as if we have a great record there. But with this team, it was clear there was less less of a chance.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Referee was fine

Yes he made couple of mistakes but nothing major.

Cleverley should have been sent off but was warned. He did the same with Wilshere so cant complain. Difference is they have the best manager in the world, he saw a problem and fixed it. We have an awlful one.


Hold on i thought you said Jose was the best manager in the world.


he saw a problem and fixed it. We have an awlful one.

Diffrence is they could bring on an Anderson and still look good. At 2-0 up was never going to changed the game. Our squad is so shie, and although Jack should have been taken off, which any manager with sense would have done, there was no one with quality to replace him with.

But yeay we were poor not even jack gettin sent off made a diffrence. But hey least Jack gets a rest for a few games.

[Cripps_orig]

Jose is the best manager in the world at what he does

Our squad is Wengers squad. If our squad is shite which it is then its all down to Wenger.

If we had no attacking midfield options on the bench to replace Jack then thats down to Wenger. He takes full responsibility of us reaching rock bottom and any other club who is interested in trophies and being successful would have sacked their manager right now but we have the worst board in the business to go with the worst manager and that as we have seen is not a good combination

[Marc Overmars]

I'm not sure that logic works. It was 10 different games although we did have a similarly tough start.
This year we've already played the 3 top sides - 2 away - and only got one point from those 3 games.
Last year we lost away at Blackburn, ManYoo and Spurs and at home to Liverpool in the first 10 games.
This year we've drawn too many but a point away at Stoke and City isn't a disaster losing away at Utd and home to Chelsea (who are clearly a very different side to last year - our 10th game then was the 5-3 at Stamford Bridge but they were all over the shop for the first half of last season)

Last year we had 5 home and 5 away games in the first 10, this year it's been 4 at home and 6 away and overall, having played the top 3 sides (who will certainly all be top 3 come May) this year has been a tougher start than last year.

Early season we were looking pretty good. Now we're not. If we can recapture our early season form then overall I think we'll do better this year, points wise. If not then probably not. But 10 games is too early to be that sure IMO.

Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

[Power n Glory]

Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

Exactly. Hard fixtures or not, the team look flat the motivation just isn't there whether it's against small teams, big teams or Champions League. They're not responding. The work rate and urgency isn't there and that's a huge concern because even in the hard fixtures the team look unmotivated when they should be pumped and ready to go.

[Özim]

Saw the interview with Wenger on the BBC, as usual bemoaning bad decisions etc etc

Some f*cker needs to ask him why 10 games into the season his team are already way off the pace and is defensively awful and offensively toothless. They could also ask him what money in the game has to do with losing to teams like Norwich and Schalke and barely having a shot on goal in several games. Some could also ask him why year on year he continues to rely on players who are always injured as well as why he plays players who were embarrasingly awful in the previous match.

Put the f*cker on the spot for f*cksake and make him answer some hard questions about his performance!!!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Exactly. Hard fixtures or not, the team look flat the motivation just isn't there whether it's against small teams, big teams or Champions League. They're not responding. The work rate and urgency isn't there and that's a huge concern because even in the hard fixtures the team look unmotivated when they should be pumped and ready to go.


Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

Thats because the team is only good enough for a top 4 finish, if you expected to team to be better then they are then more fool you. Half the team is no good, then you have players who are not even settled into this league. We were never going to get of the ground straight away.

[Özim]

Thats because the team is only good enough for a top 4 finish, if you expected to team to be better then they are then more fool you. Half the team is no good, then you have players who are not even settled into this league. We were never going to get of the ground straight away.
Not if you listen to the manager, he talks about only signing super super class players and talks about our entertaining football and our spirit and togetherness.

Does he believe this sh*t, if he does people should question him about it rather than accepting it by pointing out that his team underperform every season compared to the way he describes them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Saw the interview with Wenger on the BBC, as usual bemoaning bad decisions etc etc

Some f*cker needs to ask him why 10 games into the season his team are already way off the pace and is defensively awful and offensively toothless. They could also ask him what money in the game has to do with losing to teams like Norwich and Schalke and barely having a shot on goal in several games. Some could also ask him why year on year he continues to rely on players who are always injured as well as why he plays players who were embarrasingly awful in the previous match.

Put the f*cker on the spot for f*cksake and make him answer some hard questions about his performance!!!

Wenger is clever, you can ask him what you like, but he'll twist it into Something good. End of the day its only important what he gets Asked at the AGM, not what some prat in the medial wants to know, that he don't even care about.

Those in the AGM grilled him and Ivan.

[Power n Glory]

Thats because the team is only good enough for a top 4 finish, if you expected to team to be better then they are then more fool you. Half the team is no good, then you have players who are not even settled into this league. We were never going to get of the ground straight away.

We you please just shut up and cut that shit out. You're the type of idiot that will say we should sell certain key players if the price is right and then have nerve to make the above stupid statement.

[Özim]

Wenger is clever, you can ask him what you like, but he'll twist it into Something good. End of the day its only important what he gets Asked at the AGM, not what some prat in the medial wants to know, that he don't even care about.

Those in the AGM grilled him and Ivan.
He didn't get grilled at all in the AGM, they pretty much control everything...we didn't get any answers and didn't have any questions asked about his management.

People just listened to his cr*p and felt sorry for him......poor Wenger he's got it so tough, it's not his fault he's being screwed over, poor guy life is hard for him on his 7 million a year salary.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not if you listen to the manager, he talks about only signing super super class players and talks about our entertaining football and our spirit and togetherness.

Does he believe this sh*t, if he does people should question him about it rather than accepting it by pointing out that his team underperform every season compared to the way he describes them.

Of course he does not. he is not stupid to think this lot, will win the league, he knows they won't what he does know they will finish 4th and get that CL spot.

What he does do is meet his employers targets, rather then meet his own targets, in away he has sold out to these lot of worthless ****s upstairs.

Wenger of the Old would never behave like this. He may not have always won the league, but you knew that was his aim.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We you please just shut up and cut that shit out. You're the type of idiot that will say we should sell certain key players if the price is right and then have nerve to make the above stupid statement.

Where did i say that. So you believe the sqaud is wonderful and has good quality yeah. You prdicted with what we had going into the season we be world beaters?

Its clear to see this lot would struggle.

And i never called you an idiot, so you don't need to be so rude.

[Özim]

Of course he does not. he is not stupid to think this lot, will win the league, he knows they won't what he does know they will finish 4th and get that CL spot.

What he does do is meet his employers targets, rather then meet his own targets, in away he has sold out to these lot of worthless ****s upstairs.

Wenger of the Old would never behave like this. He may not have always won the league, but you knew that was his aim.
Then someone should ask him why he's settling for 4th and selling out rather than doing his best to compete.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Then someone should ask him why he's settling for 4th and selling out rather than doing his best to compete.

I agree someone should ask him.

[jelgoon]

Someone who called into Talksport said something which, when you think about it, is probably true. Walcott is going to leave unless he gets first team football. Wenger and the board know it, as do the fans. Whilst Wenger makes out that he wants him to stay and is going to talk to him,what does he do after Walcotts brilliant performance the other night - he drops him. I dont think the board want Walcott to stay at all. They know theyll get shit loads of money for him and save themselves a few million pounds a year in salary. Theyll spend half of the proceeds (to keep the fans quiet theyll buy a Crystal Palace 17 year old for £5 millions) and pocket the other half in increased dividends and a new improved contract for Wenger and Gazides.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Someone who called into Talksport said something which, when you think about it, is probably true. Walcott is going to leave unless he gets first team football. Wenger and the board know it, as do the fans. Whilst Wenger makes out that he wants him to stay and is going to talk to him,what does he do after Walcotts brilliant performance the other night - he drops him. I dont think the board want Walcott to stay at all. They know theyll get shit loads of money for him and save themselves a few million pounds a year in salary. Theyll spend half of the proceeds (to keep the fans quiet theyll buy a Crystal Palace 17 year old for £5 millions) and pocket the other half in increased dividends and a new improved contract for Wenger and Gazides.

Pretty much.

[Marc Overmars]

Someone who called into Talksport said something which, when you think about it, is probably true. Walcott is going to leave unless he gets first team football. Wenger and the board know it, as do the fans. Whilst Wenger makes out that he wants him to stay and is going to talk to him,what does he do after Walcotts brilliant performance the other night - he drops him. I dont think the board want Walcott to stay at all. They know theyll get shit loads of money for him and save themselves a few million pounds a year in salary. Theyll spend half of the proceeds (to keep the fans quiet theyll buy a Crystal Palace 17 year old for £5 millions) and pocket the other half in increased dividends and a new improved contract for Wenger and Gazides.

They'll save on his wages but they'll be lucky to get a big transfer fee, unless Liverpool are desperate for him in January.

This is why I don't understand why we haven't given him the contract he wants. If he's shit next year or the year after, he'll still have a big sell-on value.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

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This is why I don't understand why we haven't given him the contract he wants. If he's shit next year or the year after, he'll still have a big sell-on value.

Getting anyone money is better then letting leave on a free to them. Its clear with Wenger saying he wnats it sorted by Xmas means he don't agree to their terms. he'll be off before jan 1st.

[jelgoon]

Yup definitely and I think he'll be in demand and they will get a big fee for him. He may even go to one of the Mancs - who knows.


Getting anyone money is better then letting leave on a free to them. Its clear with Wenger saying he wnats it sorted by Xmas means he don't agree to their terms. he'll be off before jan 1st.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yup definitely and I think he'll be in demand and they will get a big fee for him. He may even go to one of the Mancs - who knows.

Some have to accept the fact he is off. When out Wenger and the board let players contracts run down, it means they are off. So that said Sagna will be off.

But for once we have a good replacment in Jenkinson.

[fakeyank]

Getting anyone money is better then letting leave on a free to them. Its clear with Wenger saying he wnats it sorted by Xmas means he don't agree to their terms. he'll be off before jan 1st.

I think we are going to get a big 0 for him. I do not think any team is desperate enough to shell out 8-10 million for him in January when they can have him for free. Theo only has to sit on the bench for another 4 months and then he can sign a bumper contract.

[Kano]

I do not think any team is desperate enough to shell out 8-10 million for him in January
if we get liverpool involved we should be looking for at least double that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think we are going to get a big 0 for him. I do not think any team is desperate enough to shell out 8-10 million for him in January when they can have him for free. Theo only has to sit on the bench for another 4 months and then he can sign a bumper contract.

You do know how Wenger and the board work? They will make sure they get money that won't be spent. Oh happy days.

Last week, i thought he would stay and sign a deal, now i just don't.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Yup definitely and I think he'll be in demand and they will get a big fee for him. He may even go to one of the Mancs - who knows.

He does have the kind of pace that suits the Mancs style of play. Plus he and RvC complemented each other fairly well last season in terms of assists. They are very good mates

Should come as no surprise if they get re-United.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He does have the kind of pace that suits the Mancs style of play. Plus he and RvC complemented each other fairly well last season in terms of assists. Should come as no surprise if they get re-United.

They don't need him, he won't start ahead of Rooney or RVP well in the Middle, he won't start ahead of any of their wingers either.

[hobson's choice]

But for once we have a good replacment in Jenkinson.


He's a nice player, but he's not a good replacement, he's a back up at best for club, whose goal is it to play in the CL year in and year out.

I know i'm beating a dead horse, but this is where the problem lies, replacing players with players, who while decent, are simply not as good.

I'm out of energy thinking about the problems of this club. At some point, people at this club have to decide what they really want, or just fucking tell us. So we can just accept it, and ultimately just know what to expect.

Cause the disappointment, I think most of us feel, is that we expect better, and the manager tells us we should. But their actions says otherwise.

[Cripps_orig]

Hes better than Young, Valencia and Nani

Would comfortably start ahead of all 3

As for up front, if Fergie uses the diamond formation with 2 up top and Rooney just behind then Theo will partner RVP as Welbeck is a bit shit and Hernandez isnt trusted

[Özil's Panoramic View]

They don't need him, he won't start ahead of Rooney or RVP well in the Middle, he won't start ahead of any of their wingers either.

Who said anything about starting? It's obvious SAF is fond of outscoring his competitors and will be always looking to increase his attacking options. Theo is a pacy player who finishes well. Just the kind that SAF fancies.

Pluas they've got Welbeck which makes your point about not needing him moot.

[hobson's choice]

Hes better than Young, Valencia and Nani

Would comfortably start ahead of all 3



Not really, depends on what exactly you are looking for, cause certain aspects of the game, those 3 are light years better than him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Hes better than Young, Valencia and Nani

Would comfortably start ahead of all 3

As for up front, if Fergie uses the diamond formation with 2 up top and Rooney just behind then Theo will partner RVP as Welbeck is a bit shit and Hernandez isnt trusted

Fergie and rates him. Theo would want to start games, he would not at the mancs, he'd be better of at liverpool or Chelsea, he'd have more chance there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Who said anything about starting? It's obvious SAF is fond of outscoring his competitors and will be always looking to increase his attacking options. Theo is a pacy player who finishes well. Just the kind that SAF fancies.

Pluas they've got Welbeck which makes your point about not needing him moot.

Theo wants to start games in the middle do you really believe he is better then Rooney and RVC, he won't start as much games as he wants while those 2 are there.


Pluas they've got Welbeck which makes your point about not needing him moot.

Well not really Fergie rates him, why he starts games. As does Roy which is why he starts more games for england then Theo.

Fergie is not silly to start Wellbeck if he did not think he was good.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Fergie and rates him. Theo would want to start games, he would not at the mancs, he'd be better of at liverpool or Chelsea, he'd have more chance there.

I thought you only spoke for AW. Didn't know you were equally adept at speaking on behalf of SAF as well.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I thought you only spoke for AW. Didn't know you were equally adept at speaking on behalf of SAF as well.

Its not speaking on his behalf, its common sense. Fergie starts welbeck he must rate him.

[Cripps_orig]

Not really, depends on what exactly you are looking for, cause certain aspects of the game, those 3 are light years better than him.
Goals and assists, theo pisses on them all

[Power n Glory]

He's a nice player, but he's not a good replacement, he's a back up at best for club, whose goal is it to play in the CL year in and year out.

I know i'm beating a dead horse, but this is where the problem lies, replacing players with players, who while decent, are simply not as good.

I'm out of energy thinking about the problems of this club. At some point, people at this club have to decide what they really want, or just fucking tell us. So we can just accept it, and ultimately just know what to expect.

Cause the disappointment, I think most of us feel, is that we expect better, and the manager tells us we should. But their actions says otherwise.

Exactly! It's frustrating to hear such talk all the time. We also need strong back up players so it's not 'ok' to let Sagna go because we have Jenkinson. It's the type of rationale Wenger uses to sell off our key players year after year.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Its not speaking on his behalf, its common sense. Fergie starts welbeck he must rate him.

How can you say with such conviction that he won't start Walcott sometimes as well? Unless of course you speak for him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

How can you say with such conviction that he won't start Walcott sometimes as well? Unless of course you speak for him.

Never said he would not start him sometimes. My point is Theo is not sigining a deal cause he wants to play up top all the time and start games.

he is not better to Start games ahead of RVP or Rooney. If Theo is happy to not start games, then fine maybe he can go there.

I just thought he wanted to start games, hence why he has not signed his deal as he says.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

I'm surprised that more aren't focusing on the fact we didn't have a shot until 2nd half injury time, maybe it's because that's the norm these days.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Never said he would not start him sometimes. My point is Theo is not sigining a deal cause he wants to play up top all the time and start games.

he is not better to Start games ahead of RVP or Rooney. If Theo is happy to not start games, then fine maybe he can go there.

I just thought he wanted to start games, hence why he has not signed his deal as he says.

I get your point now that you finally made it obvious that you had one.

Consider this though, his behaviour here might not be the same there. He reckons he's better than most the dross here and thinks he should be a sure 1st teamer. On the other hand, a move to OT and he'll probable realise how fortunate he is to put on a Manc shirt (something that actually has meaning among Manc players), and be quite content with the odd start and cameos from the bench. Of course he'll also be sure of England call ups and possible starts when you put into perspective the effects of Brand Man United.

United has a certain kind of effect on players that I wish our club could replicate. Look at dross like Anderson for example, you could see his exuberance when he came on yesterday to represent the club. Now if shit like that were playing for us, the constant moaning and bitching about a lack of appearances would definitely be on.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Jose is the best manager in the world at what he does

Our squad is Wengers squad. If our squad is shite which it is then its all down to Wenger.

If we had no attacking midfield options on the bench to replace Jack then thats down to Wenger. He takes full responsibility of us reaching rock bottom and any other club who is interested in trophies and being successful would have sacked their manager right now but we have the worst board in the business to go with the worst manager and that as we have seen is not a good combination

If that were true, the Club would not exist.

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[Gervinho's Forehead]

If that were true, the Club would not exist.

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Oh GB we had two shots on target yesterday both came on 90+ minutes!!!!!!

Incredible they were!!

[Gooner23]

I get your point now that you finally made it obvious that you had one.

Consider this though, his behaviour here might not be the same there. He reckons he's better than most the dross here and thinks he should be a sure 1st teamer. On the other hand, a move to OT and he'll probable realise how fortunate he is to put on a Manc shirt (something that actually has meaning among Manc players), and be quite content with the odd start and cameos from the bench. Of course he'll also be sure of England call ups and possible starts when you put into perspective the effects of Brand Man United.

United has a certain kind of effect on players that I wish our club could replicate. Look at dross like Anderson for example, you could see his exuberance when he came on yesterday to represent the club. Now if shit like that were playing for us, the constant moaning and bitching about a lack of appearances would definitely be on.

That annoys the hell out of me too. Fergie consistently gets average players to overperform, whereas we turn technically gifted players into absolute mongs.

Even as a staunch Wenger supporter, I want him to go. Not sacked, but I think he should be asked to step down at the end of the season. Reckon we'll scrape 4th place still with him in charge, but that is the best we can hope for. Sad times.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm surprised that more aren't focusing on the fact we didn't have a shot until 2nd half injury time, maybe it's because that's the norm these days.

That's only because I wasn't posting due to being up the side of a mountain in Ireland at the time.

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[Xhaka Can’t]

Oh GB we had two shots on target yesterday both came on 90+ minutes!!!!!!

Incredible they were!!

Eh?

If we had the worst board AMD.manager we would not exist.

End.of.

What has that to do with shots on target?

For the record I want the board and manager sacked as long as they aren't replaced with Blackburns board and Stokes manager
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[Gervinho's Forehead]

Eh?

If we had the worst board AMD.manager we would not exist.

End.of.

What has that to do with shots on target?

For the record I want the board and manager sacked as long as they aren't replaced with Blackburns board and Stokes manager
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Nothing :lol: I just saw your posting and wondering if you had witnessed the magical 2 shots on target yesterday? :lol:

[Ralpheroo72]

Club run by idiots. We are in steep decline.

[Alpha]

After watching the highlights without any emotion today , analyzing properly all the actions , I came up to this conclusion :

1) We weren't outplayed as many are tempted to suggest .
2) Apart from the first 15 min where we refuse to play , the game was kind of 50:50 .
3) We conceded goals which were avoidable due to silly individual mistakes .
4) We were too naive to stick by our " Arsenal way of playing " While it was obviously ineffective .
5) By refusing to shoot from distance and thinking we will walk with the ball into the net prevent us from getting something in that game .
6) we never learnt our lesson and accept to remain very predictable .
7 ) We had some few chances and refused to take them which was suicidal in such a big and important game .

[GP]

After watching the highlights without any emotion today , analyzing properly all the actions , I came up to this conclusion :

1) we weren't outplayed as many are tempted to suggest .
2) Apart the first 15 min where we refuse to play , the game was kind of 50:50 .
3) We conceded goals which were avoidable due to silly individual mistakes .
4) We were too naive by sticking by our " Arsenal way of playing " While it was obviously ineffective .
5) By refusing to shoot from distance and thinking we will walk with the ball into the net prevent us from getting something in that game .
6) we never learnt our lesson and accept to remain very predictable .

:gp:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

After watching the highlights without any emotion today , analyzing properly all the actions , I came up to this conclusion :

1) We weren't outplayed as many are tempted to suggest .
2) Apart from the first 15 min where we refuse to play , the game was kind of 50:50 .
3) We conceded goals which were avoidable due to silly individual mistakes .
4) We were too naive to stick by our " Arsenal way of playing " While it was obviously ineffective .
5) By refusing to shoot from distance and thinking we will walk with the ball into the net prevent us from getting something in that game .
6) we never learnt our lesson and accept to remain very predictable .
7 ) We had some few chances and refused to take them which was suicidal in such a big and important game .

Except for #'s 3 through 6, you are pretty much wrong. We were crap from the get go, out played and there was no 50:50 after 1st 15mins, as you're suggesting in points 1 and 2 respectively.

For vast propotions of the game, we couldn't get beyond our own half, while United had free reign our half, taking control of our 18yrd box at a whim. They effectively broke up our 3yrd tippy tappy by making sure Arteta, our main passer, was well marked by Rooney. Through all this, our manager never sought to make any adjustment to our game plan.

Only reason perons can be so emboldened to utter such naivity on here re: points 1 and 2, is because United were wasteful enough not to easily slot 6 past Mannone. They were never required to shift a gear upwards because of our pathetic display - a display that belies our standard even with the current composition of dross. Hence, they laclustrely handed us the defeat we were always consigned to.

[Marc Overmars]

You can dress it up however you like for effect - outplayed, battered, whatever, we were beaten comfortably and no one can honestly disagree with that.

[Alpha]

Except for #'s 3 through 6, you are pretty much wrong. We were crap from the get go, out played and there was no 50:50 after 1st 15mins, as you're suggesting in points 1 and 2 respectively.

For vast propotions of the game, we couldn't get beyond our own half, while United had free reign our half, taking control of our 18yrd box at a whim. They effectively broke up our 3yrd tippy tappy by making sure Arteta, our main passer, was well marked by Rooney. Through all this, our manager never sought to make any adjustment to our game plan.

Only reason perons can be so emboldened to utter such naivity on here re: points 1 and 2, is because United were wasteful enough not to easily slot 6 past Mannone. They were never required to shift a gear upwards because of our pathetic display - a display that belies our standard even with the current composition of dross. Hence, they laclustrely handed us the defeat we were always consigned to.

It all depends on how you analyze the game action by action . Manchester United were efficient with their few actions they had but we weren't . The bottom line is our players have developed a kind a complex of inferiority to United which made them panic even before the kick-off . But I categorically refuse to accept United were outstanding . A sightly better team could have given them a game . They have their weaknesses especially at the back and we refused to exploit them .
A football game is about scoring goals to win it . When we still had RVP , we were totally outplayed by Liverpool but we scored more than them and got undeserved credit due to two superb Persie's goals .

[Özil's Panoramic View]

It all depends on how you analyze the game action by action . Manchester United were efficient with their few actions they had but we weren't . The bottom line is our players have developed a kind a complex of inferiority to United which made them panic even before the kick-off . But I categorically refuse to accept United were outstanding . A sightly better team could have given them a game . They have their weaknesses especially at the back and we refused to exploit them .
A football game is about scoring goals to win it . When we still had RVP , we were totally outplayed by Liverpool but we scored more than them and got undeserved credit due to two superb Persie's goals .

No one is claiming that United were outstanding. They weren't required to be such but still managed to brush us aside like some team from 2 divisions down. Shows just how much of a barrel bottom scraping team we've become.

Oh how I wish for the day when we'll once again be seen as one of those "slightly better" teams to give them a game.

We need our Arsenal back.

[Özim]

You can dress it up however you like for effect - outplayed, battered, whatever, we were beaten comfortably and no one can honestly disagree with that.
Exactly it's pretty clear to anyone who saw the match, no point burying your head an pretending it wasn't the case, some people insist on doing so though, it's just plain weird.

[Özim]

It all depends on how you analyze the game action by action . Manchester United were efficient with their few actions they had but we weren't . The bottom line is our players have developed a kind a complex of inferiority to United which made them panic even before the kick-off . But I categorically refuse to accept United were outstanding . A sightly better team could have given them a game . They have their weaknesses especially at the back and we refused to exploit them .
A football game is about scoring goals to win it . When we still had RVP , we were totally outplayed by Liverpool but we scored more than them and got undeserved credit due to two superb Persie's goals .
Ferguson was disappointed after winning which says it all, he felt they should have battered us...and the truth is they should as they were far superior even if they were nowhere near their best.

A scoreline of 4 or 5 nil wouldn't have flattered them. The gulf was embarrassing for a club of our supposed stature to be honest.

[Alpha]

No one is claiming that United were outstanding. They weren't required to be such but still managed to brush us aside like some team from 2 divisions down. Shows just how much of a barrel bottom scraping team we've become.

Oh how I wish for the day when we'll once again be seen as one of those "slightly better" teams to give them a game.

We need our Arsenal back.

I agree with you mate . But we have also seen the dodgy side of United this season but they somehow get away with it . People talk about United beating us without even getting to the " second gear " . They don't have that " second gear" ATM . They have a luck of having an in-form and match winner striker who should have been in our side and unexplainably we decided to let him go to a main rival . We gifted United victory as simply as that . That is my point .

[Alpha]

Ferguson was disappointed after winning which says it all, he felt they should have battered us...and the truth is they should as they were far superior even if they were nowhere near their best.

A scoreline of 4 or 5 nil wouldn't have flattered them. The gulf was embarrassing for a club of our supposed stature to be honest.

They surely had some chances that they missed and could have made the score more embarrassing but we had ours that we refused to take which could have changed some opinion had we had at least a draw .

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They surely had some chances that they missed and could have made the score more embarrassing but we had ours that we refused to take which could have changed some opinion had we had at least a draw .

Have to agree with Zimm here. Utd are a poor team this season, but on Sat they were miles above us. Had Rooney scored that pen, you felt, they have got more.

However going in and 1-0 down, i thought, Theo coming on changed the game and we looked much better. Like you said we missed some chances and couls and should maybe have made it 2-2. Or even 1-1 Had TV5 not made his mistake.

I can understand why fergie was upset they did not score more. He wants that GD up, fact he said it against us showed us where we are.

What can you do what has happend has happend, guess we have to focus on the next game.

[Power n Glory]

Have to agree with Zimm here. Utd are a poor team this season, but on Sat they were miles above us. Had Rooney scored that pen, you felt, they have got more.

However going in and 1-0 down, i thought, Theo coming on changed the game and we looked much better. Like you said we missed some chances and couls and should maybe have made it 2-2. Or even 1-1 Had TV5 not made his mistake.

I can understand why fergie was upset they did not score more. He wants that GD up, fact he said it against us showed us where we are.

What can you do what has happend has happend, guess we have to focus on the next game.

We looked better with 10 men and it's no surprise that our only two shots were set up by the on form players that took part in the cup game.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We looked better with 10 men and it's no surprise that our only two shots were set up by the on form players that took part in the cup game.

Pretty much, Everyone could see Theo needed to start that game and pace wwas needed, he may have been marked out the game, but was what we needed.

Like you Wenger's Insistance on playing Ramsey is costing us big.

[Özim]

They surely had some chances that they missed and could have made the score more embarrassing but we had ours that we refused to take which could have changed some opinion had we had at least a draw .
We didn't deserve a draw and a draw would have been daylight robbery, they were far more dangerous all match and we'd have been extremely lucky to get a draw....only a wonder goal by Cazorla got us a goal at all.

[Cripps_orig]

What are these chances that we had?

[Power n Glory]

We only manager two shots on target and both came after 90 minutes. It wasn't close and if you can't defend, you don't deserve a win. Highlights aren't the best way to asses a match. We struggled to string together passes or mount a decent chance. It wasn't 50:50.

[Alpha]

What are these chances that we had?
A few times Carzola was in a position to unleash his bomb from a long range but decided to do a Hleb . Giroud had a clear chance from Wilshere pass but was too slow to react and did a Chamack . Theo was put though by Carzola to right side with only the goalkeeper to beat but sky the ball over . Giroud had a good pass from Podolski and we know the rest as it is Giroud from Arsenal .

[Alpha]

We only manager two shots on target and both came after 90 minutes. It wasn't close and if you can't defend, you don't deserve a win. Highlights aren't the best way to asses a match. We struggled to string together passes or mount a decent chance. It wasn't 50:50.
When we watch the game live on TV or at the stadium we are under emotion as we want our team to do well . But when you watch the highlights and/or the replay you can see many actions you didn't noticed as you were watching the game under pressure .

[Cripps_orig]

And Man utd had even better chances to make the score look similar to last seasons humiliation

We were outplayed, outfought and had our asses handed to us

Most one sided 2-1 of all time

[Alpha]

We only manager two shots on target and both came after 90 minutes. It wasn't close and if you can't defend, you don't deserve a win. Highlights aren't the best way to asses a match. We struggled to string together passes or mount a decent chance. It wasn't 50:50.

I watched the highlights twice and the replay once the only thing I can agree with you we didn't play well to the Arsenal standard . But I don't buy that we were outplayed . I 'm not trying to defend anything . Why should I ? We lost the game as simply as that . But we should not accept opinions that portray the game the way it wasn't . And it is a matter of personal opinion . We all follow the media and watch games . We can accept what is said or choose to make a different opinion according to what we believe after assessing certain situations .

[GP]

I watched the highlights twice and the replay once the only thing I can agree with you we didn't play well to the Arsenal standard . But I don't buy that we were outplayed . I 'm not trying to defend anything . Why should I ? We lost the game as simply as that . But we should not accept opinions that portray the game the way it wasn't . And it is a matter of personal opinion . We all follow the media and watch games . We can accept what is said or choose to make a different opinion according to what we believe after assessing certain situations .

I said immediately after the game that is was way closer than people were making out, but I guess it's easier just to jump on the bandwagon.

[Letters]

I said immediately after the game that is was way closer than people were making out, but I guess it's easier just to jump on the bandwagon.
You know I'm not a kneejerker or pant-wetter but it didn't seem that close to me.
Utd were well in control, I honestly think had we scored with 10 or 15 minutes left Utd would have just upped it and got a 3rd.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I watched the highlights twice and the replay once the only thing I can agree with you we didn't play well to the Arsenal standard . But I don't buy that we were outplayed . I 'm not trying to defend anything . Why should I ? We lost the game as simply as that . But we should not accept opinions that portray the game the way it wasn't . And it is a matter of personal opinion . We all follow the media and watch games . We can accept what is said or choose to make a different opinion according to what we believe after assessing certain situations .

We watched the game too, though I'm not so sure we're talking about the same game based on what you've posited and is trying to defend to much futility. Therefore, it is not fair for you to argue that we are subscribing to the mediaand whatever opinion they formed post match.

If you take a quick glance at the "Mancs vs Arsenal" thread, you'll see that the views we're expressing now are pretty much in keeping with what we were expressing during said game.

[Özim]

This game wasn't even close, a 2-1 defeat is a good result for us because it really could have been another thumping.

If close is the distance between Earth and Pluto, then yes it was close....how often do you see Ferguson disappointed he's won in a game against us?

[Marc Overmars]

The game was close in the sense the scoreline was never out of reach, if a split second bit of luck had gone our way maybe we could've got back into it, but that is irrelevant because we showed precious little to suggest we could trouble United and turn them into a bag of nerves, hence us eventually getting beat easily.

We were beaten by a side we know are better than us, I don't see much point in debating something trivial like to what extent were we beaten. No should give a damn because ultimatley Arsenal lost tamely at Old Trafford, again.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

...how often do you see Ferguson disappointed he's won in a game against us?

No he was upset his team did not score more goals is a diffrent thing altogether. Fergie wants goals, he saw how the season panned out last season and wanted goals for the GD.

It don't matter who they play he'd have said the same thing, if mancs missed chances.

[Özim]

No he was upset his team did not score more goals is a diffrent think altogether.
Obviously and that was exactly my point, he thought they should have thrashed us...which proves my point entirely.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Obviously and that was exactly my point, he thought they should have thrashed us...which proves my point entirely.

And he'd have said the same no matter who he played against.

[Özim]

And he'd have said the same no matter who he played against.
I don't know what you're talking about to be honest.

He was disappointed because even though they won he felt they should have thrashed us what does that have to do with anyone else?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I don't know what you're talking about to be honest.

He was disappointed because even though they won he felt they should have thrashed us what does that have to do with anyone else?



Asked for his verdict on the game, Ferguson told Sky Sports 2HD: "I think I need to sleep on it, I could not believe the chances we missed.

"We should have put it to bed a long, long time ago and you look at that scoreline 2-1 and you think it was a close game, but it wasn't a close game.

"I think there was a lack of urgency in our game throughout, far too casual. It was an unusual Manchester United Arsenal game really.

My point is had they played City and missed chances like they did, he'd have said the same thing, he was dissapointed they missed chances.

They missed Chances thats their problem, maybe they have to work at things.

I never said anything about him not being disapointed they did not thrash us.

[Özim]

My point is had they played City and missed chances like they did, he'd have said the same thing, he was dissapointed they missed chances.

They missed Chances thats their problem, maybe they have to work at things.

I never said anything about him not being disapointed they did not thrash us.
Well obviously, but I was simply pointing out the game wasn't close in anyway (other than the score)....highlighted by the fact Ferguson was disappointed despite winning.

Had it been close in any other way than the scoreline he wouldn't have been disappointed.

I was countering the points some people made about the game being close.

[Alpha]

Well obviously, but I was simply pointing out the game wasn't close in anyway (other than the score)....highlighted by the fact Ferguson was disappointed despite winning.

Had it been close in any other way than the scoreline he wouldn't have been disappointed.

I was countering the points some people made about the game being close.

No one said the game was close . But we weren't outplayed either as many tend to claim . We were outplayed at Liverpool last season but because we won the game I don't believe you came with a comment such as the game was not close simply because we were victorious .

[Bergkampwonderland10]

No one said the game was close . But we weren't outplayed either as many tend to claim . We were outplayed at Liverpool last season but because we won the game I don't believe you came with a comment such as the game was not close simply because we were victorious .
We were outplayed for most of the 90 to be fair - didn't even come close to looking like we'd get in the game.

[Alpha]

We were outplayed for most of the 90 to be fair - didn't even come close to looking like we'd get in the game.

Well we couldn't have been " outplayed " if we had taken our chances , could we ? The scoreline was the most important , I believe and it wasn't our way .

[Kano]

what chances?

[Gervinho's Forehead]

what chances?

:gp:

There were no chances, 2 shots on target came on 90+ MINUTES, united nullified us and were very happy for us to have the ball for spells during the game, sir twattington was probably annoyed that his team sat back and let us have it for a bit rather than trying to get more goals. You have to think a league loss on goal difference is still fresh in the mind.

[LDG]

:gp:

There were no chances, 2 shots on target came on 90+ MINUTES, united nullified us and were very happy for us to have the ball for spells during the game, sir twattington was probably annoyed that his team sat back and let us have it for a bit rather than trying to get more goals. You have to think a league loss on goal difference is still fresh in the mind.

And our manager before the game, on the 8-2 result:


"Honestly, it didn’t affect us," said Wenger. "It affected maybe more our environment. You feel humiliated after the game but after that, the next game when you win, you don’t focus on that.

"I think it’s when you lose a big game like that in the way we did it, it is to get over the hurdle in the next three weeks. Once you’ve got over that... well, the mood in the camp is always a consequence of the last result."



Really sends out the right message, doesn't it.

That should have been the only thing on his fucking mind on Saturday. Revenge for a humiliating defeat. And 100% desire to close the gap again between the two sides. Against our former rival scum.

Insipid ****!