Luis Suarez thread

[Harland]

:lol: No.

Just saying I think 4th is nothing and that Suarez is one of those footballers who just causes trouble wherever he goes, much like Adebayor has. Some players don't deserve to play football and seeing Tevez eat his words last season was great, would be nice to see it happen to more footballers like this so that we can stop seeing this kinda of sh*t.

If you let these players rot in the reserves they soon come round as they watch their career going down the pan, Suarez will have to play for Liverpool if push comes to show or he won't play in the World Cup after all. Though wouldn't it be great to see him left in the reserves and then miss out on the World Cup...that would be Karma!

Yes he's a very good player, but as what a horrible little person he is.

When RVP does it to us, it is because we are shite.

When another player does it for us, it is because he is a shite.

Zimm, is there a player that we could sign that would make you happy? If we had signed Higuain (who I have seen you champion (after it became clear he wasn't going to be with Arsenal)) you'd probably be pointing at his abysmal record in Europe and the fact that our golden boy 'Adebayor' left him on the bench at Real.

[Özim]

but we've wanted big signings for years, can we not just be happy if we end up getting him? come on give mrs zimm one night of happiness!

He's not what I had in mind when I wanted big signings, for a start I never wanted us to spend that kind of money on a player (unless he was one of the very best around and this guy isn't), we need investment all over the team, 3-4 top quality players not 1 mercenary who gets into trouble everywhere he goes and screws his club over at the 1st opportunity.

[Özim]

When RVP does it to us, it is because we are shite.

When another player does it for us, it is because he is a shite.

Zimm, is there a player that we could sign that would make you happy? If we had signed Higuain (who I have seen you champion (after it became clear he wasn't going to be with Arsenal)) you'd probably be pointing at his abysmal record in Europe and the fact that our golden boy 'Adebayor' left him on the bench at Real.

RVP was different come on, we didn't want to invest, he was 29 and looking at a last hurrah.

There's loads, see the list in the other thread (realistic signings). If we're talking fantasy signings though then someone like Neymar.

Higuain would have been fine, didn't have such a great season last season but is a very good goalscorer and not a mercenary.

[JonasTC]

He's not said anything to be fair, so far it's hot air...he makes all these threats and yet it's been how long and nothing has happened.

This deal won't happen, if he had a case his agent would have been onto to his lawyers and this would be done and dusted.

Are u ignoring the quote where he says there is an offer and he wants to go to that club??? Then its pretty hard to have a debate with you, if you just make up your own stuff and asume its the truth :s

[Ollie the Optimist]

Are u ignoring the quote where he says there is an offer and he wants to go to that club??? Then its pretty hard to have a debate with you, if you just make up your own stuff and asume its the truth :s

are you new here?

[Niall_Quinn]

Are u ignoring the quote where he says there is an offer and he wants to go to that club??? Then its pretty hard to have a debate with you, if you just make up your own stuff and asume its the truth :s

To be fair the quote comes from a profession that makes up its own stuff and then assumes it's true.

[AKBapologist]

Zimm is the worst.

[Ollie the Optimist]

spend some fucking money on world class players wenger.


except, only spend a maximum of 25 million per player, and make sure you get every posistion covered. ive moaned you never spend money on world class players for last 8 years, if you go and do it now, ill moan you spent too much money on him

[JonasTC]

I know alot of the stuff that comes out of the media is BS, but i dont think they would fake a huge interview like that

[Özim]

Are u ignoring the quote where he says there is an offer and he wants to go to that club??? Then its pretty hard to have a debate with you, if you just make up your own stuff and asume its the truth :s
So what, he's got 3 years on his contract and Liverpool have rejected the offer.

Like I said where are the lawyers if he's so sure?

[Özim]

spend some fucking money on world class players wenger.


except, only spend a maximum of 25 million per player, and make sure you get every posistion covered. ive moaned you never spend money on world class players for last 8 years, if you go and do it now, ill moan you spent too much money on him
Here you go again :yawn:

You really are boring sometimes.

[Harland]

RVP was different come on, we didn't want to invest, he was 29 and looking at a last hurrah.

There's loads, see the list in the other thread (realistic signings). If we're talking fantasy signings though then someone like Neymar.

Higuain would have been fine, didn't have such a great season last season but is a very good goalscorer and not a mercenary.

Suarez is more what we need than Higuain. Higuain would have to rely on Walcott and Podolski to create chances for him. Since that is not going to happen, we might as well get someone who is willing to take on the entire defense himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

I know alot of the stuff that comes out of the media is BS, but i dont think they would fake a huge interview like that

:lol: seriously?

[JonasTC]

Are you wearing a tinfoil hat right now?

[Özim]

I know alot of the stuff that comes out of the media is BS, but i dont think they would fake a huge interview like that
Really? They've been known to fake plenty of stuff/get things wrong, been enough scandals to prove that I would think.

I like the way people take it for the gospel truth, where's his TV interview where he confirms this, that would leave us in no doubt after all. Higuain's dad said he's on his way to Arsenal so he should be here anytime now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Are you wearing a tinfoil hat right now?

No, just the panties.

[Özim]

Suarez is more what we need than Higuain. Higuain would have to rely on Walcott and Podolski to create chances for him. Since that is not going to happen, we might as well get someone who is willing to take on the entire defense himself.

Higuain would have been fine, goalscorers score goals from nothing we've had our share over years, Wright scored plenty.

[Harland]

So what, he's got 3 years on his contract and Liverpool have rejected the offer.

Like I said where are the lawyers if he's so sure?

To be honest, I did receive an email from Suarez's agent asking whether I was willing to represent Suarez.

Why does Suarez have an agent from Uganda?

[AKBapologist]

On a slight segway , what happens when a player submits a transfer request?

Didn't do much for Rooney a few seasons ago.

[GP]

On a slight segway , what happens when a player submits a transfer request?

Didn't do much for Rooney a few seasons ago.

Depends what you want. Rooney didn't want to leave at the time.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's not what I had in mind when I wanted big signings, for a start I never wanted us to spend that kind of money on a player (unless he was one of the very best around and this guy isn't), we need investment all over the team, 3-4 top quality players not 1 mercenary who gets into trouble everywhere he goes and screws his club over at the 1st opportunity.

you did say in another thread a few weeks back that you prioritised a top striker because you need a world class striker to win trophies. i remember backing you up in that thread as i pointed out if we kept van persie we would have gained around 10 more points over the course of the season, putting us up there with the big boys. well suarez is a top class striker, so according to your and mine logic, would really help us compete.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

here's what you said:

He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=173&p=298364&viewfull=1#post298364

followed by:

It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell. Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success. We have no chance of signing him.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=173&p=298368&viewfull=1#post298368

although you did say we need more than 1 striker tbf:

I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.

I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=174&p=298379&viewfull=1#post298379

just pointing out that you seemed to really rate him very highly by the sounds of it so you cant and say he's not the type of signing you had in mind, when you classify him as being out of our reach in those posts. he's world class, he's exactly what we need mate!

[Cripps_orig]

Suarez is one of the best strikers in the world.

Don't understand why anyone wouldn't want him

[Niall_Quinn]

Suarez is one of the best strikers in the world.

Don't understand why anyone wouldn't want him

The point is we have to get him and if we can't we have to get somebody else of note. This had better not be one crazy roll of the dice with the only alternative to go into the new season with Sanogo as our only business.

[hobson's choice]

It feels good to be the "other" team for once. I'm loving the fact that people are gonna hate Arsenal more.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think your definition of "safe" sounds bloody dangerous to me, in relation to transfer deals, players and agents at least. Let's see ink on a contract and also have plenty of voice recorders in the room.

WTF does 'ink on a contract' have to do with 'safe'?

[Özim]

here's what you said:

He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=173&p=298364&viewfull=1#post298364

followed by:

It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell. Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success. We have no chance of signing him.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=173&p=298368&viewfull=1#post298368

although you did say we need more than 1 striker tbf:

I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.

I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2156&page=174&p=298379&viewfull=1#post298379

just pointing out that you seemed to really rate him very highly by the sounds of it so you cant and say he's not the type of signing you had in mind, when you classify him as being out of our reach in those posts. he's world class, he's exactly what we need mate!

I never said he wasn't a good player though (clearly he is) and as far as being worth the money, in this scenario he's worth what Liverpool deem him to be worth as he's got a contract which has gone a while to run and Liverpool don't want to sell, so in that sense he's worth 50 million.

Do I think he's actually worth spending 50 million on though, no, I don't think he's that good that he's worth the 50 million, that kind of money for me is the sort of money we should pay someone who is special and for someone who has marketability (as mentioned before someone like Neymar is much more marketable).

So yes I think he's very good (he scored a lot of goals last season) but I do think based on one season and his disciplinary record that kind of money is more than we should be paying as the team needs far more than one player. The other thing is and what you guys seem to ignore, it's all very good right now when he's kicking up a fuss at another club, but come a year or two he'll do the same to us and he'll get himself banned again as well, he's a troublemaker....and whilst he appeals now when we get screwed over it won't feel so good.

Incidentally I do think we need a striker to finish off the chances and I stand by the point I made, however if we signed him whilst he would improve the team it wouldn't be a magic recipe for success, he's suspended for 6 games and one player isn't going to solve our problems, the level of the team needs raising across the board. As mentioned before this would be returning us to a level when we had RVP and whilst he scored lots of goals we never won anything then either because we lacked quality in other areas.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Like I said where are the lawyers if he's so sure?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcEietIoxk

[Harland]

I never said he wasn't a good player though (clearly he is) and as far as being worth the money, in this scenario he's worth what Liverpool deem him to be worth as he's got a contract which has gone a while to run and Liverpool don't want to sell, so in that sense he's worth 50 million.

Do I think he's actually worth spending 50 million on though, no, I don't think he's that good that he's worth the 50 million, that kind of money for me is the sort of money we should pay someone who is special and for someone who has marketability (as mentioned before someone like Neymar is much more marketable).

So yes I think he's very good (he scored a lot of goals last season) but I do think based on one season and his disciplinary record that kind of money is more than we should be paying as the team needs far more than one player. The other thing is and what you guys seem to ignore, it's all very good right now when he's kicking up a fuss at another club, but come a year or two he'll do the same to us and he'll get himself banned again as well, he's a troublemaker....and whilst he appeals now when we get screwed over it won't feel so good.

Incidentally I do think we need a striker to finish off the chances and I stand by the point I made, however if we signed him whilst he would improve the team it wouldn't be a magic recipe for success, he's suspended for 6 games and one player isn't going to solve our problems, the level of the team needs raising across the board. As mentioned before this would be returning us to a level when we had RVP and whilst he scored lots of goals we never won anything then either because we lacked quality in other areas.

You need to smoke some of that good stuff as well...

If Suarez comes and noone else, that's still not a good summer but damn it, Suarez is a very good start.

Whilst he is not as clinical as people here think he is, his ability to draw defenders and create chances gives him a whole new dimension to what a player like Higuain will bring to us.

Having said all that, Wenger will probably play him as a DM.

[Harland]

BR's response to Suarez's most recent interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X811wlXW_C8#at=156

[Power n Glory]

If Liverpool agreed that clause and Rogers said he’d help him leave if they didn’t qualify for the Champions League, then Liverpool are in the wrong also. It’s dishonest and I think Suarez has a point if Liverpool aren’t being true to what they originally agreed.

[Özim]

You need to smoke some of that good stuff as well...

If Suarez comes and noone else, that's still not a good summer but damn it, Suarez is a very good start.

Whilst he is not as clinical as people here think he is, his ability to draw defenders and create chances gives him a whole new dimension to what a player like Higuain will bring to us.

Having said all that, Wenger will probably play him as a DM.
I wouldn't personally be that happy with our summers work, one player brought in (albeit a very good one) who will be missing 6 games (probably more during the season) and will probably want out in a year or two to go to a bigger club. We'll be a better team for sure but we won't challenge for silverware and we probably won't see much come in the the following years as we've blown our budget on one big player.

I think what we've needed for years is an out and out finisher personally, why does a striker have to do 10 different things, his job is primarily to score goals and if he does that he's worth the money in my book.

[Özim]

If Liverpool agreed that clause and Rogers said he’d help him leave if they didn’t qualify for the Champions League, then Liverpool are in the wrong also. It’s dishonest and I think Suarez has a point if Liverpool aren’t being true to what they originally agreed.
Don't disagree, but this clause is pie in the sky at the moment...if he's so convinced why is he just spouting out about it in the paper surely there's more productive things that could be done.

In addition players have been screwing over clubs for years, it would be good to see the same happen to them, as I've said watching one of the mercernaries rot in the reserves and have their career ruined would be great to watch, it might make them more humble and make them realise they can't just sign a contract and leave when they feel like it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I never said he wasn't a good player though (clearly he is) and as far as being worth the money, in this scenario he's worth what Liverpool deem him to be worth as he's got a contract which has gone a while to run and Liverpool don't want to sell, so in that sense he's worth 50 million.

Do I think he's actually worth spending 50 million on though, no, I don't think he's that good that he's worth the 50 million, that kind of money for me is the sort of money we should pay someone who is special and for someone who has marketability (as mentioned before someone like Neymar is much more marketable).

So yes I think he's very good (he scored a lot of goals last season) but I do think based on one season and his disciplinary record that kind of money is more than we should be paying as the team needs far more than one player. The other thing is and what you guys seem to ignore, it's all very good right now when he's kicking up a fuss at another club, but come a year or two he'll do the same to us and he'll get himself banned again as well, he's a troublemaker....and whilst he appeals now when we get screwed over it won't feel so good.

Incidentally I do think we need a striker to finish off the chances and I stand by the point I made, however if we signed him whilst he would improve the team it wouldn't be a magic recipe for success, he's suspended for 6 games and one player isn't going to solve our problems, the level of the team needs raising across the board. As mentioned before this would be returning us to a level when we had RVP and whilst he scored lots of goals we never won anything then either because we lacked quality in other areas.

yeah i also think we need more than 1 player but we're pretty much blowing our transfer budget on 1 player. £50m up front, 140k a week x 52 = 7.2m a year, 4 year contract? £28m. thats our budget gone. for that money we could buy pretty much anyone on the planet. but what choice do we have? we stood by like idiots to watch higuain go, david villa go for peanuts, negredo go, jovetic go. we have no choice but to go for suarez. take risks on a cheaper guy? risks havent worked out over the past few years. just put the money down for this proven goalscorer imo.

one thing i will say is people who say 'this will take us to a level where we had RVP', well i think it'll take us further. when we had RVP we didn't have cazorla, podolski and giroud. they've added huge depth to the team as it means people like chamakh aren't coming off the bench. it'll be giroud coming on, who off the bench, is pretty decent.

fuck it, let's sign him up and get ready for the rollercoaster. as arsenal fans we're used to a ride, let's just hope for the best this time.

[Grebbo]

Liverpool should just hurry up and sell Suarez so they can strengthen the team and put an end to this saga.

The noises from the manager and chairman suggest they wont sell and if they do I reckon it'll be at the last minute. But let's not forget that these are very inexperienced people. Rodgers has very little football management experience and even less at the top level and the chairman has practically zero experience of 'soccer'.

It's not all doom and gloom for Liverpool fans. They're slowly shipping out the shite that Dalglish bought and are replacing them with good players. Coutinho looks like a star and they replaced Torres ok so I'm sure they'll do the same with Suarez.

I really don't see any point in Liverpool dragging this out. I can only think there are some European teams circling with a bid and Liverpool would of course much rather sell to a foreign club.

[KSE Comedy Club]

BR's response to Suarez's most recent interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X811wlXW_C8#at=156
:haha:

[selassie]

Whilst it seems clear now that Suarez wants to talk to us/is interested in joining us I still think there is a very long way to go. He has 3 years left on his contract and ultimately Liverpool are going to dictate the price here. We have seen similar transfer sagas go pear shaped for the buying club, I.E. Modric to Chelsea a few seasons ago so it isn't all plain sailing for us.

I personally think if we don't up our offer and at the very least meet Liverpool halfway then he's not coming here, the rumours are we're not prepared to go a penny (mind the pun) above what we have already offered...so I personally don't think it's looking good at the moment irrespective of what Saurez is saying.

[Power n Glory]

Don't disagree, but this clause is pie in the sky at the moment...if he's so convinced why is he just spouting out about it in the paper surely there's more productive things that could be done.

In addition players have been screwing over clubs for years, it would be good to see the same happen to them, as I've said watching one of the mercernaries rot in the reserves and have their career ruined would be great to watch, it might make them more humble and make them realise they can't just sign a contract and leave when they feel like it.

We're run by idiots but you have to wonder who gave us the £40m figure. There must be something there and he is taking legal action. If Liverpool had a clause in his agreement and have been sneaky with the interpretation and wording then they're not being true either. If there was no such clause then they'd have a stronger case but if the player signed something and verbally expressed his desire to leave next season under certain conditions then this can't come as a shock to them.

Would he had signed a new agreement without the clause?

[Özim]

We're run by idiots but you have to wonder who gave us the £40m figure. There must be something there and he is taking legal action. If Liverpool had a clause in his agreement and have been sneaky with the interpretation and wording then they're not being true either. If there was no such clause then they'd have a stronger case but if the player signed something and verbally expressed his desire to leave next season under certain conditions then this can't come as a shock to them.

Would he had signed a new agreement without the clause?
He's not mentioned legal action to be honest (don't think he has at least), just the PFA. If there was such a clause surely his agent would have been onto the lawyers to get it enforced.

Would he have signed a new agreement, for more money probably yes, he seems the type.

[Özim]

Liverpool should just hurry up and sell Suarez so they can strengthen the team and put an end to this saga.

The noises from the manager and chairman suggest they wont sell and if they do I reckon it'll be at the last minute. But let's not forget that these are very inexperienced people. Rodgers has very little football management experience and even less at the top level and the chairman has practically zero experience of 'soccer'.

It's not all doom and gloom for Liverpool fans. They're slowly shipping out the shite that Dalglish bought and are replacing them with good players. Coutinho looks like a star and they replaced Torres ok so I'm sure they'll do the same with Suarez.

I really don't see any point in Liverpool dragging this out. I can only think there are some European teams circling with a bid and Liverpool would of course much rather sell to a foreign club.
It's clear they don't want to sell though and if they do it will be on their terms at the price they want and why not, he has 3 years left on his contract after all and was happy enough to sign last summer for more money.

Liverpool have already bought players and that Coutinho player is some player so I suggest they're in no hurry.

[Marc Overmars]

I think it's only a matter of time really before they decide to sell. Whatever this clause is, I don't think Liverpool can realistically keep him now. He's burnt all his bridges with the people in charge and most importantly the fans.

[PGFC]

This would be an ideal time for AW to say, "meh, we're not interested any more..." and walk away smiling.

[Özim]

I think it's only a matter of time really before they decide to sell. Whatever this clause is, I don't think Liverpool can realistically keep him now. He's burnt all his bridges with the people in charge and most importantly the fans.
I don't think so, Tevez kicked up a huge fuss and then came back and played, fans forget quickly a few goals and it will all be forgotten about.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't think so, Tevez kicked up a huge fuss and then came back and played, fans forget quickly a few goals and it will all be forgotten about.

I think Liverpool would be a lot more principled on this than a classless outfit like City.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That is true but Man City can afford to do that, I don't think Liverpool are in the same position of strength.

My analysis? He's on his way!

[Grebbo]

That is true but Man City can afford to do that, I don't think Liverpool are in the same position of strength.

Exactly. It's pointless comparing City to Liverpool. Liverpool don't have Aguero, Dzeko and Balotelli to fall back on if Suarez goes on a Tevez style walk about.

[Özim]

The thing is though, Suarez has no choice but to play, it's World Cup year if he doesn't play he may find he's not in the squad.

[Grebbo]

The thing is though, Suarez has no choice but to play, it's World Cup year if he doesn't play he may find he's not in the squad.

Yeah that's one thing in Liverpool's favour. But can you imagine the shit storm this Suarez interview has created? Liverpool's fans seem to forgive him for everything so I can still see Suarez in a Liverpool shirt next season.

Either way nothing will happen quickly. We're in for another 3 weeks of speculation before anything happens with Suarez.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

He's gone.

But I still can't see this clause turning out to be what he says. As I said last night whilst punching the wall, if Suarez and his agent were really sure they held the trump card they wouldn't have to resort to a ridiculous wishy-washy press statement. They'd have called the lawyers in and got this sorted within days; it's been weeks. These people are complete tossers, all this talk of not wanting to bring in the courts out of respect or whatever it is is just flagrant BS. It's the age old ploy, release a statement and try to force us in a corner. If they knew they had us by the short and curlies they'd be silent and would have already brought in the lawyers and made their case, it sounds far more likely right now that his agent has screwed up and is trying every trick to dig himself out of the hole, changing the terms of this apparent clause and then distracting everyone with talk of pwomises.
The threat of Gordon Taylor, Clark Carlisle and their Merry Men is horrendously weak. And in any case, if they did have their backing, the PFA would have most likely released their own statement to that regard and would have notified the club of their position. [With the caveat that if we have messed up, then the owners will face hell]

I'm not sure the fans would even be that bothered if we sold him now either, and lets face it that's the main reason they've been so publicly staunch in their position. Now he's burnt his bridges, we'll see that as much as an offence against them as much as the club.

Either way, he'll be sold before it even gets close to anything like that. If we have screwed up, we won't want it coming out that we've acted like idiots, and the same for Suarez and his cronies. And it'd cost a bomb and likely take time to sort out, surely too long to complete before the end of the window.

[Grebbo]

I think most likely is the clause can be interpreted in different ways. Each party will think it's in their favour. Lawyers would want to drag it out for months or even years to prolong their gravy train.

Sounds to me like Rodgers and Liverpool's chairman did the old 'Levy Gentleman's Agreement' trick and verbally told Suarez he could leave for £40m to a Champs Lge club. Players should record all conversations when negotiating a contract. Levy got another year out of Modric after giving his word he could leave and he's now doing the same with Bale and making sure he gets mega money for him. I know players are stupid but you'd think their advisors wouldn't fall for the oldest trick in the book.

[selassie]

I think most likely is the clause can be interpreted in different ways. Each party will think it's in their favour. Lawyers would want to drag it out for months or even years to prolong their gravy train.

Sounds to me like Rodgers and Liverpool's chairman did the old 'Levy Gentleman's Agreement' trick and verbally told Suarez he could leave for £40m to a Champs Lge club. Players should record all conversations when negotiating a contract. Levy got another year out of Modric after giving his word he could leave and he's now doing the same with Bale and making sure he gets mega money for him. I know players are stupid but you'd think their advisors wouldn't fall for the oldest trick in the book.

Yup, verbal agreements are meaningless if they are not documented at the very least.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I think most likely is the clause can be interpreted in different ways. Each party will think it's in their favour. Lawyers would want to drag it out for months or even years to prolong their gravy train.

Sounds to me like Rodgers and Liverpool's chairman did the old 'Levy Gentleman's Agreement' trick and verbally told Suarez he could leave for £40m to a Champs Lge club. Players should record all conversations when negotiating a contract. Levy got another year out of Modric after giving his word he could leave and he's now doing the same with Bale and making sure he gets mega money for him. I know players are stupid but you'd think their advisors wouldn't fall for the oldest trick in the book.
Actually Taylor has already come out and said pretty much that; there is ambiguity. But he stopped far short of saying he had their backing, just that they would mediate. For Gordon Taylor to come out and not defend the player straight away says alot. And since then we've had the Suarez statement which suggests there is still an impasse, or they screwed up.

And as I've said, any verbal agreement is made null and void by anything written into his contract. No doubt he pwomised to behave himself anyway, so moaning like a little child makes him look petty and desperate. Back in May there was no talk of Champions League, or pwomises or clauses, it was that he wanted to leave the country because of the media. Now he's realised that looks unlikely he has to mend his attitude with the press and scrabble about for different excuses.

[Power n Glory]

He's not mentioned legal action to be honest (don't think he has at least), just the PFA. If there was such a clause surely his agent would have been onto the lawyers to get it enforced.

Would he have signed a new agreement, for more money probably yes, he seems the type.

It’s been mentioned in the press that he’s considering legal action and if the PFA have been in touch with Liverpool, would there be a need for them to go public about it? Liverpool have been very vocal about this whole issue and they’ve chosen to go public with certain details. Because they’ve been talking so much, we were forced to make some sort of statement and it’s the same with Suarez. I’d have no sympathy for him if he signed a deal without that agreement in place. If a player should honour a contract, the same rules apply to the club. If they’ve put some vague and ambiguous clause in the contract, then they know they’ve been underhanded. They haven’t followed in the spirit and letter of the law. I doubt they’d have written in that clause freely and it must have done so on the player’s request. He signed under those conditions that there is a ‘get out’ clause. It’s like getting married to a woman that wants a pre-nup agreement.

[Marc Overmars]

If it's not in writing then I'm not sure Suarez has a leg to stand on unfortunately. Verbal agreements mean sod all - Liverpool only told him what he wanted to hear to keep him sweet however they probably didn't envisage Arsenal of all clubs coming in for him. If it was Real Madrid or another CL club he would have been sold weeks ago.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

This would be an ideal time for AW to say, "meh, we're not interested any more..." and walk away smiling.

If it wasn't for the fact that we desperately need him I would love to see that. :lol:


I'm thinking now that he's made he's made his situation untenable and is forcing through a transfer, we rescind the £40 million +1 offer and instead offer £30 million + 1. With talk on RAWK of them not accepting anything less than £60 million last week, getting him less than 40 million would be one of the best troll moves ever sure to piss of Liverpool for a decade.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The thing is though, Suarez has no choice but to play, it's World Cup year if he doesn't play he may find he's not in the squad.

He plays for Uruguay.

He'll be in the squad.

[Power n Glory]

If it's not in writing then I'm not sure Suarez has a leg to stand on unfortunately. Verbal agreements mean sod all - Liverpool only told him what he wanted to hear to keep him sweet however they probably didn't envisage Arsenal of all clubs coming in for him. If it was Real Madrid or another CL club he would have been sold weeks ago.

It’s probably in writing. As reported, if a bid of £40m is received, they must inform the player. That doesn’t mean they have to sell him of course. It’s all shady and nobody has a right to speak about class. How Arsenal got a hold of that clause in the contract is shady and lacks class. Liverpool misleading their player and leaking constant BS to the press is shady and lacks class. Suarez…:lol: He’s a joke of a player. Absolute scumbag with no class but we need his services. It’s a dirty game.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

He'll slap in a transfer request and we'll accept it. Any talk of legal wrangles and clauses and pwomises will be moot. And we'll hope to god Rafa comes flying in with a bid.

[selassie]

He'll slap in a transfer request and we'll accept it. Any talk of legal wrangles and clauses and pwomises will be moot. And we'll hope to god Rafa comes flying in with a bid.

Yeah, somehow I don't see you guys rolling over for us and selling HIM for 40million.

Your owner & manager have both had a dig at us and your captain has pretty much stated that it would be crazy to sell Suarez to us.

I think you guys will stand your ground with this one irrespective of what Suarez says or wants.

I like Suarez as a player and would like him here, we are absolutely desperate for a quality centre forward but this one is going to end in tears for Arsenal IMHO.

[Grebbo]

Yeah, somehow I don't see you guys rolling over for us and selling HIM for 40million.

Your owner & manager have both had a dig at us and your captain has pretty much stated that it would be crazy to sell Suarez to us.

I think you guys will stand your ground with this one irrespective of what Suarez says or wants.

I like Suarez as a player and would like him here, we are absolutely desperate for a quality centre forward but this one is going to end in tears for Arsenal IMHO.

Yeah I just can't see Suarez joining us. Surely Liverpool would take £30m from a foreign club rather than £40m from us?? They'd still be making a healthy profit and it saves an embarrassing u-turn for them.

One last thing on the clause - it's utter bullshit. Do you really think the clause was ever intended to be "If a club bids £40m we'll tell you about it" I mean seriously?? No way was that ever supposed to be the clause. Liverpool may have worded it like that and pulled a fast one, and well done to them if they did. But to me that is much more classless than anything we've done in this transfer saga.

[Niall_Quinn]

He'll slap in a transfer request and we'll accept it. Any talk of legal wrangles and clauses and pwomises will be moot. And we'll hope to god Rafa comes flying in with a bid.

This is a possibility (probability) a lot of people seem to be overlooking. Once Arsenal has done the legwork and opened up the deal there's nothing to say another club won't sweep in and finish things off. I hope they at least say thanks. CL footie and £40,000,001.01 should do the trick because we won't go higher. Wouldn't surprise me if our extra pound is payable in instalments. This deal hasn't started yet but some are looking on it as done. Could end up being the dirtiest transfer to date. Could get even dirtier as both clubs may find themselves fighting for a striker if Suarez pisses off elsewhere.

I also have these horrible visions of you getting one over on us and displaying your total lack of class by selling us Downing, but that's worst case scenario.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's gone.

But I still can't see this clause turning out to be what he says. As I said last night whilst punching the wall, if Suarez and his agent were really sure they held the trump card they wouldn't have to resort to a ridiculous wishy-washy press statement. They'd have called the lawyers in and got this sorted within days; it's been weeks. These people are complete tossers, all this talk of not wanting to bring in the courts out of respect or whatever it is is just flagrant BS. It's the age old ploy, release a statement and try to force us in a corner. If they knew they had us by the short and curlies they'd be silent and would have already brought in the lawyers and made their case, it sounds far more likely right now that his agent has screwed up and is trying every trick to dig himself out of the hole, changing the terms of this apparent clause and then distracting everyone with talk of pwomises.
The threat of Gordon Taylor, Clark Carlisle and their Merry Men is horrendously weak. And in any case, if they did have their backing, the PFA would have most likely released their own statement to that regard and would have notified the club of their position. [With the caveat that if we have messed up, then the owners will face hell]

I'm not sure the fans would even be that bothered if we sold him now either, and lets face it that's the main reason they've been so publicly staunch in their position. Now he's burnt his bridges, we'll see that as much as an offence against them as much as the club.

Either way, he'll be sold before it even gets close to anything like that. If we have screwed up, we won't want it coming out that we've acted like idiots, and the same for Suarez and his cronies. And it'd cost a bomb and likely take time to sort out, surely too long to complete before the end of the window.

i think you're right. you want this over asap now.

why hold onto a player who has sulked in pre-season and put in half-arsed shifts during the friendlies? you'd take the £40m and invest it wisely under your new recruitment system, which may i add, seems to be much better than the old regime. while fans will bemoan the fact you sold a star player to a 'rival', it is a completely different situation to us and RVP last year. we never really invested the money properly; we should have bought another striker and a DM. we had the money to do it but we penny pinched and pissed around again. your situation is completely different because you have a culture of spending, you will invest every penny of that in 2-3 top players which will help you push even further. therefore i dont think it'll be much of a problem for you.

as i say, it's in your interests to sell asap after that statement. you cant let this affect your season (although it looks like it already will, so it's damage limitation). get that money in and spend it over the next few weeks. then hope for the best.

[LDG]

I think most likely is the clause can be interpreted in different ways. Each party will think it's in their favour. Lawyers would want to drag it out for months or even years to prolong their gravy train.

Sounds to me like Rodgers and Liverpool's chairman did the old 'Levy Gentleman's Agreement' trick and verbally told Suarez he could leave for £40m to a Champs Lge club. Players should record all conversations when negotiating a contract. Levy got another year out of Modric after giving his word he could leave and he's now doing the same with Bale and making sure he gets mega money for him. I know players are stupid but you'd think their advisors wouldn't fall for the oldest trick in the book.

Ironically, Levy could be doing us a favour at the moment.

While he's holding out on Madrid for Bale, they won't enter the market for Suarez.

[selassie]

Yeah I just can't see Suarez joining us. Surely Liverpool would take £30m from a foreign club rather than £40m from us?? They'd still be making a healthy profit and it saves an embarrassing u-turn for them.

One last thing on the clause - it's utter bullshit. Do you really think the clause was ever intended to be "If a club bids £40m we'll tell you about it" I mean seriously?? No way was that ever supposed to be the clause. Liverpool may have worded it like that and pulled a fast one, and well done to them if they did. But to me that is much more classless than anything we've done in this transfer saga.

I think Liverpool have lacked class in all of this TBH. Mouthing off and puffing out their chests throughout the saga. I agree re: the wording of the contract, Suarez and his agent have been massively shafted, saying that...they approved the contract so they have to live with it.

We appear to have behaved and done everything within the rules in regards to pursuing Suarez, though I think the one penny above 40million offer really hasn't helped. It was amusing sure...but if we are serious about the player it wasn't the wisest thing to do.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yeah, somehow I don't see you guys rolling over for us and selling HIM for 40million.

Your owner & manager have both had a dig at us and your captain has pretty much stated that it would be crazy to sell Suarez to us.

I think you guys will stand your ground with this one irrespective of what Suarez says or wants.

I like Suarez as a player and would like him here, we are absolutely desperate for a quality centre forward but this one is going to end in tears for Arsenal IMHO.

i think £45m will do the trick. taking it to court is nonsense; suarez will probably stop playing during the trial which hurts liverpool's chances of getting into top 4, and courts takes months to sort out.

they wont sell for £40m.

they'll sell for £45m + maybe a few add ons.

just make the bloody bid wenger and get it over with. for the sake of a few million quid it really isnt worth the hassle + potentially losing the player to another team.

[Grebbo]

Phil Thompson just on SSN saying he thinks this is all agent driven

:lol:

Yeah cos no way would the player actually want to leave Liverpool. They really are a strange bunch of players, ex players and supporters.

We have the opposite problem, our former players constantly say we're shit and that top players shouldn't join us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ironically, Levy could be doing us a favour at the moment.

While he's holding out on Madrid for Bale, they won't enter the market for Suarez.

The real craziness happens in the last week or even the last few hours of the last day. Lots of potential game changers still lurking out there, like Ronaldo back to Utd. That would kill us.

[Grebbo]

We appear to have behaved and done everything within the rules in regards to pursuing Suarez, though I think the one penny above 40million offer really hasn't helped. It was amusing sure...but if we are serious about the player it wasn't the wisest thing to do.

Pound mate not a penny. Makes a big difference.

[Niall_Quinn]

i think £45m will do the trick. taking it to court is nonsense; suarez will probably stop playing during the trial which hurts liverpool's chances of getting into top 4, and courts takes months to sort out.

they wont sell for £40m.

they'll sell for £45m + maybe a few add ons.

just make the bloody bid wenger and get it over with. for the sake of a few million quid it really isnt worth the hassle + potentially losing the player to another team.

Hopefully it wouldn't be a trial! I know we're morphing into a police state but this would be too much. More chance of Wenger reducing the offer than upping it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Pound mate not a penny. Makes a big difference.

The pound is over 100 years, so technically a penny in year #1

[Grebbo]

Ironically, Levy could be doing us a favour at the moment.

While he's holding out on Madrid for Bale, they won't enter the market for Suarez.

They will if they sell Ronaldo.

Suarez will join us as a last resort. This means it's going to go down to deadline day. Anything can happen on deadline day, I still think it's very unlikely we'll sign Suarez.

Roll on Jim White

:scarf:

[selassie]

Pound mate not a penny. Makes a big difference.

lol my bad! still...the principle behind it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They will if they sell Ronaldo.

Suarez will join us as a last resort. This means it's going to go down to deadline day. Anything can happen on deadline day, I still think it's very unlikely we'll sign Suarez.

Roll on Jim White

:scarf:

If they sold Ronaldo and brought in Suarez, the Ultras would riot. Also, for Perez's side, Suarez has nowhere near the earning potential that Ronaldo does (hence why they're called Marketing) so I don't think that's likely.

If they did sell Ronaldo, it's only to finance the Bale move.

[selassie]

i think £45m will do the trick. taking it to court is nonsense; suarez will probably stop playing during the trial which hurts liverpool's chances of getting into top 4, and courts takes months to sort out.

they wont sell for £40m.

they'll sell for £45m + maybe a few add ons.

just make the bloody bid wenger and get it over with. for the sake of a few million quid it really isnt worth the hassle + potentially losing the player to another team.

I dunno...I get the impression we have really wound Liverpool up. Of course they want rid of him but I get the impression we are pretty much the last club they would sell him to.

That few extra million won't be stumped up IMHO, we've made our stance pretty clear and I think we would sooner walk away than pay up, we've done it countless times before and dare say we'll do it again.

IIRC, Wenger also stated that our pursuit of Suarez was on hold until the court case with Liverpool was sorted out.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I dunno...I get the impression we have really wound Liverpool up. Of course they want rid of him but I get the impression we are pretty much the last club they would sell him to.

That few extra million won't be stumped up IMHO, we've made our stance pretty clear and I think we would sooner walk away than pay up, we've done it countless times before and dare say we'll do it again.

IIRC, Wenger also stated that our pursuit of Suarez was on hold until the court case with Liverpool was sorted out.

but if we dont sign suarez who else have we been linked with that we could sign? gazidis cant be stupid enough to give that statement then come out of a transfer window with no major signings?

[Grebbo]

If they sold Ronaldo and brought in Suarez, the Ultras would riot. Also, for Perez's side, Suarez has nowhere near the earning potential that Ronaldo does (hence why they're called Marketing) so I don't think that's likely.

If they did sell Ronaldo, it's only to finance the Bale move.

Yeah that's what I meant, Bale replaces Ronaldo and Suarez is a bonus. The RM fans voted Bale as their number 1 target.

[Grebbo]

but if we dont sign suarez who else have we been linked with that we could sign? gazidis cant be stupid enough to give that statement then come out of a transfer window with no major signings?

I think we'll go after midfielders instead and stick with Giroud if we can't get Suarez.

[selassie]

but if we dont sign suarez who else is there to sign? gazidis cant be stupid enough to give that statement then come out of a transfer window with no major signings?

We'll most likely not sign anybody or at least nobody we really need.

Wenger and Gazidis will just spin it with we tried to sign Higuain & Suarez but it never worked out blah blah blah.

[Niall_Quinn]

but if we dont sign suarez who else have we been linked with that we could sign? gazidis cant be stupid enough to give that statement then come out of a transfer window with no major signings?

You have to hope they aren't that stupid. We're involved in the most complicated saga of the window, a lot has to go right for this deal to come off. So who else is in the frame should it go wrong? Not a peep or a leak from anywhere, nobody talking about anything. Are we that good at keeping our targets a secret?

[Niall_Quinn]

I think we'll go after midfielders instead and stick with Giroud if we can't get Suarez.

Gareth Barry?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yeah that's what I meant, Bale replaces Ronaldo and Suarez is a bonus. The RM fans voted Bale as their number 1 target.

I think they might riot if they sold Ronaldo anyway thinking about it. :lol:

And yes, it was Bale they were chanting for at Illaramendi's unveiling, so we can probably rule out Real Madrid only getting Suarez at the very least! There has been nothing to suggest Real Madrid are after him though, they just had some Spanish based journo on TalkSport saying that they nor Barca have even slightly indicated the possibility of getting him and this is Real Madrid. If they want a player, they would have made it publically known by now.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Who's to say he hasn't got a release clause in there, but for a higher fee? Maybe that £55m we kept repeating, and that it was a step process; at a serious stage we inform you of the bid, and at another stage we accept it.

But we don't know how the fine details of football contracts work, we don't know how often teams make bids for players that don't make it out of the manager's office and that the player never hears about, we don't know often these clauses are put in. But to act as if Suarez and his agent are the little men here against the behemoth of Liverpool Football Club seems very naive. These are multi millionaires with a whole bunch of experianced agents and lawyers on both sides sorting out a complicated contract over a period of weeks and months. It isn't as if Rodgers sits down with Suarez and forces him to sign a deal, whilst Ayre nudges his elbow with glee thinking "we've got on over on him" at 5 to 5 on Friday evening as they purposely try and shaft their biggest asset.

Every wrangle and clause is gone over with a fine tooth-comb, situations are played out and eventually the players signs it of his own free will. And if you sign something not knowing what it is you're signing, then frankly that's your own fault.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Phil Thompson just on SSN saying he thinks this is all agent driven

:lol:

Yeah cos no way would the player actually want to leave Liverpool. They really are a strange bunch of players, ex players and supporters.

We have the opposite problem, our former players constantly say we're shit and that top players shouldn't join us.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/liverpool/8859058/suarez-worth-more-than-40-million

Video of it.

Thommo. :lol:

Another one aghast that we, the true pub team of the league could ever get a good player to join us.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You have to hope they aren't that stupid. We're involved in the most complicated saga of the window, a lot has to go right for this deal to come off. So who else is in the frame should it go wrong? Not a peep or a leak from anywhere, nobody talking about anything. Are we that good at keeping our targets a secret?

actually thats my main worry. that they'll cock up such a big transfer. most of the board have a business and law background, it's very different from football negotiations. they cocked up higuain and have already insulted liverpool. how much experience do the board have in big transfer negotiations? we've gone years without a big deal for incoming players and even when we did, it was before gazidis and co were here. i worry they are out of their depth dealing in complicated transfers with top players involved. do they know what they're doing? it's all easy going to africa and signing up a no-hoper from a club you've hardly heard of, but very different when dealing with historically dense clubs.

[Grebbo]

Who's to say he hasn't got a release clause in there, but for a higher fee? Maybe that £55m we kept repeating, and that it was a step process; at a serious stage we inform you of the bid, and at another stage we accept it.

Wouldn't make much sense having a release clause of £55m, nobody would pay it. The release clause/whatever clause was inserted to get Suarez to re-sign so it was at his request. I can't see him wanting to set it so high.


But we don't know how the fine details of football contracts work, we don't know how often teams make bids for players that don't make it out of the manager's office and that the player never hears about, we don't know often these clauses are put in. But to act as if Suarez and his agent are the little men here against the behemoth of Liverpool Football Club seems very naive. These are multi millionaires with a whole bunch of experianced agents and lawyers on both sides sorting out a complicated contract over a period of weeks and months. It isn't as if Rodgers sits down with Suarez and forces him to sign a deal, whilst Ayre nudges his elbow with glee thinking "we've got on over on him" at 5 to 5 on Friday evening as they purposely try and shaft their biggest asset. Every wrangle and clause is gone over with a fine tooth-comb, situations are played out and eventually the players signs it of his own free will. And if you sign something not knowing what it is you're signing, then frankly that's your own fault.

I completely agree. But footballers are thick and I don't think their advisors are much brighter. Certainly every time an agent is wheeled out on SSN he comes accross as a brain dead toad. It must be time for Barry Silkman to make an appearance soon.

[Grebbo]

I think they might riot if they sold Ronaldo anyway thinking about it. :lol:

And yes, it was Bale they were chanting for at Illaramendi's unveiling, so we can probably rule out Real Madrid only getting Suarez at the very least! There has been nothing to suggest Real Madrid are after him though, they just had some Spanish based journo on TalkSport saying that they nor Barca have even slightly indicated the possibility of getting him and this is Real Madrid. If they want a player, they would have made it publically known by now.

Do RM fans even like Ronaldo these days? I thought they were getting a bit bored of him.

They sold Higuain and I don't think they replaced him did they? You'd think they might want to add a striker.

[Ollie the Optimist]

liverpool meltdowns everywhere. lovely stuff :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Do RM fans even like Ronaldo these days? I thought they were getting a bit bored of him.

They sold Higuain and I don't think they replaced him did they? You'd think they might want to add a striker.

Even if they don't, seeing him sold when Barca have brought in Neymar won't go down well. They warmed to Ronaldo more during the course of last season, whether that's for putting down Barca time and again or more to do with falling out with Mourinho :lol:, I'm not really sure but either way, it's not as poisonous as it was.

Bale would be the 'replacement' for Higuain, I think. They still have so many options up front as it stands, it's hard to see it as just one goes out, one comes in, that's the definite replacement.

[Power n Glory]

actually thats my main worry. that they'll cock up such a big transfer. most of the board have a business and law background, it's very different from football negotiations. they cocked up higuain and have already insulted liverpool. how much experience do the board have in big transfer negotiations? we've gone years without a big deal for incoming players and even when we did, it was before gazidis and co were here. i worry they are out of their depth dealing in complicated transfers with top players involved. do they know what they're doing? it's all easy going to africa and signing up a no-hoper from a club you've hardly heard of, but very different when dealing with historically dense clubs.

We've done plenty of business with the big boys. It's just the other way round.

We've been in Liverpool's shoes and done the whole 'beat the chest, we're not selling routine' for years. Wenger went off on one about Mancini in the Nasri deal, still sold him to City. Barca have always been a nightmare. Sold them Henry, Hleb, Cesc and Song in recent years. Who can forget the Cashley show?

Clubs eventuallu crumble when they've run out of options.

[Grebbo]

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/liverpool/8859058/suarez-worth-more-than-40-million

Video of it.

Thommo. :lol:

Another one aghast that we, the true pub team of the league could ever get a good player to join us.

That's actually a different video, seems like Thommo likes talking today.

"Suarez is better than Cavani so we should get at least £55m"

:lol:

"Why choose Arsenal instead of Liverpool"

:lol:

These people are nuts. We've got Carragher to look forward to trying to understand on Sky Sports next season. Why does Sky give these thick fucks a job??

[Ollie the Optimist]

my favourite quote was "suarez could play in the Champions league sooner at LFC then AFC"

we play in the champions league in about two weeks, if liverpool beat that, thats impressive

[Grebbo]

my favourite quote was "suarez could play in the Champions league sooner at LFC then AFC"

we play in the champions league in about two weeks, if liverpool beat that, thats impressive

We play in a qualifier not the champs leg. But yeah still pretty odd.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Wouldn't make much sense having a release clause of £55m, nobody would pay it. The release clause/whatever clause was inserted to get Suarez to re-sign so it was at his request. I can't see him wanting to set it so high.
Of course it was inserted to get him to sign the deal. And you can't say "no one would pay it" given this was sorted out a year ago. Nobody is paying it now, but that can't be known then, and him biting someone has a negative effect on his worth. Napoli probably thought that with Cavani too (and no I'm not comparing them, just the numbers that each club may have though would never be matched). Either way, that was me making stuff up. What is just as likely is that Rodgers said he would think about selling him if we didn't make CL [or would sell him, whatever this pwomise was], Suarez had the clause inserted saying he needed to be informed of any bid and given what Rodgers had said put 2+2 together thought that was enough. Again, me making stuff up.


I completely agree. But footballers are thick and I don't think their advisors are much brighter. Certainly every time an agent is wheeled out on SSN he comes accross as a brain dead toad. It must be time for Barry Silkman to make an appearance soon.
And indeed they are all idiots. But I'm not sure his representatives would be. Book smart and academic, maybe not. Manipulative greedy fucks? Undoubtedly. Make no mistake he'll be the one pulling the strings behind all of this. Suarez does want to leave, but as you say, he's an idiot. He will need someone to tell him what to do to make that happen, and since he didn't get the reaction he would have wanted the other day ie: booed, he has to find some other way to force a wedge between player and club.

And the thing is, you can all laugh at us now, and I don't blame you all for doing so. But he'll do the same to you soon enough.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We've done plenty of business with the big boys. It's just the other way round.

We've been in Liverpool's shoes and done the whole 'beat the chest, we're not selling routine' for years. Wenger went off on one about Mancini in the Nasri deal, still sold him to City. Barca have always been a nightmare. Sold them Henry, Hleb, Cesc and Song in recent years. Who can forget the Cashley show?

Clubs eventuallu crumble when they've run out of options.

i know, that's why i said incoming players ;)

[Grebbo]

"Suarez is better than Cavani so we should get at least £55m"


Why do people keep saying this? Just becuase Cavani and Suarez are Uruguayan?

It's bloddy stupid. Cavani's goal record is off the charts compared to Suarez's. Napoli finished 2nd and are in the Champs Lge so are in a much better position than Liverpool. And the most important thing.... only one club bid £55m for Cavani and they don't need/want Suarez as well.

Bloody stupid.

The market dictates the price, not Rodgers or anyone else. If Suarez is sold for £40m then that's what he's worth.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That's actually a different video, seems like Thommo likes talking today.

"Suarez is better than Cavani so we should get at least £55m"

:lol:

"Why choose Arsenal instead of Liverpool"

:lol:

These people are nuts. We've got Carragher to look forward to trying to understand on Sky Sports next season. Why does Sky give these thick fucks a job??

How long is it going to be before someone points out to these morans that Cavani had his buyout clause met by PSG?

I'll still watch Soccer Saturday though, just can't quit it for some reason.

[Grebbo]

And the thing is, you can all laugh at us now, and I don't blame you all for doing so. But he'll do the same to you soon enough.

We've sold our last 4 captains and best players, one of them to Man Utd.

We wouldn't care less if we sold Suarez in a couple of seasons.

We've sold better players than him.

We're just desperate for top class signings and Suarez is quality.

P.S. I don't think any gooner is laughing at you yet because we don't think we'll get him. But if we do get him then I personally am going to laugh my arse off. If any set of supporters deserve to be laughing at fucking over a big club and signing their best player then it's us. Sorry.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

We've sold our last 4 captains and best players, one of them to Man Utd.

We wouldn't care less if we sold Suarez in a couple of seasons.

We've sold better players than him.

We're just desperate for top class signings and Suarez is quality.

P.S. I don't think any gooner is laughing at you yet because we don't think we'll get him. But if we do get him then I personally am going to laugh my arse off. If any set of supporters deserve to be laughing at fucking over a big club and signing their best player then it's us. Sorry.

Aha!

We're not a big club anymore.

But really, I wouldn't blame you. I'd be doing exactly the same. I would like to reserve the right to hope throughout the season that somebody breaks his bones though.

It'll be nice when we're unified in a mutual hate of him though. Maybe we could do an exchange program with RAWK...

[Grebbo]

But really, I wouldn't blame you. I'd be doing exactly the same. I would like to reserve the right to hope throughout the season that somebody breaks his bones though.

Don't do it to yourself, it just makes it worse. We've been praying for RVP to have his season long injury which is well over due now.

Just get behind Downing, Henderson and the rest of the lads and see what the season brings you.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Don't do it to yourself, it just makes it worse. We've been praying for RVP to have his season long injury which is well over due now.

Just get behind Downing, Henderson and the rest of the lads and see what the season brings you.

if thats your attempt to cheer him up, i dont think its going to work ;)

[Power n Glory]

i know, that's why i said incoming players ;)

Point is, it’s not hard to follow the reverse process. I don’t think we’ve cocked up badly. Liverpool are just playing their hand and I wouldn’t pay too the much attention to the jabs aimed at Arsenal. If backed into a corner they have to play ball.

[Grebbo]

Liverpool are banking on foreign clubs bidding. They must be pretty surprised that no foreign clubs have bid for him.

They've been a bit unlucky in the fact that Falcao, Cavani and Neymar have all been available this summer and that Madrid seemingly only have eyes for Bale.

They'd have probably got much more joy from selling him last summer or next summer.

[Power n Glory]

Yep, regardless of how we handled this, they'd be reluctant to sell to us.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Point is, it’s not hard to follow the reverse process. I don’t think we’ve cocked up badly. Liverpool are just playing their hand and I wouldn’t pay too the much attention to the jabs aimed at Arsenal. If backed into a corner they have to play ball.

we cocked up higuain and pissed off liverpool. it has been nothing short of a shambles.

[Power n Glory]

No doubt it’s been a shambles but Liverpool were always going to make things difficult for us. They see us as rivals and want that Champs League spot. All the talk about class, the extra penny ‘insult’…whatever. If we’d have bid £41m instead they’d play the same card.

[Grebbo]

All the talk about class, the extra penny ‘insult’…whatever.

It was a pound god damn you, a pound!

[Grebbo]

we cocked up higuain and pissed off liverpool. it has been nothing short of a shambles.

We didn't cock up Higuain, we decided not to sign him because we've been informed by Suarez's people that he's up for joining us. Suarez is a much better player than Higuain.

Of course when the Suarez deal falls through then everyone will say we should have signed Higuain. It's a difficult one tbh.

[Grebbo]

if thats your attempt to cheer him up, i dont think its going to work ;)

Nothing gets past you does it :lol:

[Power n Glory]

It was a pound god damn you, a pound!

:lol: Change for some Haribo. Not too shabby.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We didn't cock up Higuain, we decided not to sign him because we've been informed by Suarez's people that he's up for joining us. Suarez is a much better player than Higuain.

Of course when the Suarez deal falls through then everyone will say we should have signed Higuain. It's a difficult one tbh.

the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.

[Niall_Quinn]

the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.

This is correct and this is how any half sane group of people tasked with building a title challenging squad would behave. But the arseholes at our place are incompetent at anything and everything bar building the financial value for shareholders, that's all the cunts do. Ten days until we kick off and then go into potentially tough CL qualifiers and they are still pissing around on a transfer that is 50/50 even in wildly optimistic estimates. Shambles is a very precise description of what's going on.

And by the way, even if we do land Suarez he can't play until October. Astounding incompetence.

[Grebbo]

the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.

1. I don't see how we cocked it up. RM jacked up the price of Higuain and we ultimately thought it made more sense to pay an extra £10m and go for Suarez instead.

2. Higuain is not world class. Better than Giroud, sure, better than Suarez? No way.

Ultimately when we don't buy Suarez we're going to be left trying to buy a striker as good as or better than Higuain. If we don't then I guess you can say we cocked it up then.

[selassie]

the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.

:gp:

Though I don't think Arsene has any serious intentions of buying a DM, I think he would like one but only at a price that meets his "valuation", same applies to a CB. This for me is one of the reasons why we are so slow in the market.

[Özim]

1. I don't see how we cocked it up. RM jacked up the price of Higuain and we ultimately thought it made more sense to pay an extra £10m and go for Suarez instead.

2. Higuain is not world class. Better than Giroud, sure, better than Suarez? No way.

Ultimately when we don't buy Suarez we're going to be left trying to buy a striker as good as or better than Higuain. If we don't then I guess you can say we cocked it up then.
You don't think people are going a bit over the top with Suarez seeing as he's really only had one very good season in England, whereas Higuain has scored a tonne of goals for Madrid consistently?

[Niall_Quinn]

1. I don't see how we cocked it up. RM jacked up the price of Higuain and we ultimately thought it made more sense to pay an extra £10m and go for Suarez instead.

2. Higuain is not world class. Better than Giroud, sure, better than Suarez? No way.

Ultimately when we don't buy Suarez we're going to be left trying to buy a striker as good as or better than Higuain. If we don't then I guess you can say we cocked it up then.

We should have three new signings in key positions bedded in after a good pre-season and ready for the kick off in 10 days. Instead we have Wenger moaning on about it being tough this year and asking for patience. Patience after 8 years of shite. Nah, I for one am just fucked off now. Enough is enough, this lot aren't fit to run a tap never mind a football club that's supposedly challenging for honours. We'll have to wait till they all fuck off, Wenger included, before anything has a chance of changing.

Just for once, why couldn't they give the fans, the players, football in general something positive connected to the club rather than the usual comedy material?

[Özim]

the suarez links accumulated after higuain. we spent nearly 2 whole months on higuain, spoke to his reps, agreed terms with him, spoke to madrid numerous times, and he ended up at napoli. we cocked it up. we could have had a world class player embedded into the team and we could have diverted our attention to a DM or CB with plenty of time left for other targets. this would have had little effect on the team going into the new season. but once again we're going into the new season in tatters, relying on one player to come and relying on negotiations with a club we've already pissed off. Shambles.
Completely agree and not only would we have a world class player integrated in the team and been able to focus on signing other players, but we'd also have a player available from day one of the new season.

[Özim]

We should have three new signings in key positions bedded in after a good pre-season and ready for the kick off in 10 days. Instead we have Wenger moaning on about it being tough this year and asking for patience. Patience after 8 years of shite. Nah, I for one am just fucked off now. Enough is enough, this lot aren't fit to run a tap never mind a football club that's supposedly challenging for honours. We'll have to wait till they all fuck off, Wenger included, before anything has a chance of changing.

Just for once, why couldn't they give the fans, the players, football in general something positive connected to the club rather than the usual comedy material?
Spot on, it's been a joke of a summer even if we get Suarez, where's the planning and logic in this?

We've not go anyone integrated into the squad, no players getting use to their surroundings and getting to know their teammates, instead we've put all our efforts into a chase for a troublemaker banned for 6 games who will probably leave in a year or two and who will cost megamoney, very clever.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

1. I don't see how we cocked it up. RM jacked up the price of Higuain and we ultimately thought it made more sense to pay an extra £10m and go for Suarez instead.

2. Higuain is not world class. Better than Giroud, sure, better than Suarez? No way.

Ultimately when we don't buy Suarez we're going to be left trying to buy a striker as good as or better than Higuain. If we don't then I guess you can say we cocked it up then.

1. i told you how we cocked it up. we had everything in place then it went tits up, that's cocking it up. as NQ says, there is no systematic plan to our transfers. it was a case of 'bid for him and him, oh and him... oh hang on... he's also available... fuck it back out of them and just go for him'. no thought went into the current squad, the effect it would have on them going into the new season with no new players etc. sure madrid slammed £10m onto the price at the end but there's ways of negotiating around that i.e. instalments, persuasion techniques. you dont just walk away from negotiations when someone revalues a good, you offer to negotiate further. but of the things i read we completely backed out. literally packed our bags and walked away, giving room for other teams like napoli to negotiate and get the player in an instance. its funny how we do the ground work for players then for one 'reason' or another it never works out, only for other teams to swipe in and get them. mata another example, a complete cock up. and why the hell did it take so long to finally negotiate terms? if we done it in a few weeks i doubt madrid would have hiked the price. they saw there was no movement in europe and that every top team needed a striker so thought 'you know what, we'll increase his price because demand + supply warrants it'. they are entitled to do that. if you wrap the deal up early july you dont leave room for the market to dictate terms.

2. higuain is world class. they are both world class. you dont have to devalue one to make your argument better. suarez has more to his game but you can't say higuain is not world class. look at his world class record. would i rather have suarez? sure. but id rather have higuain + fellaini than suarez. if we sign suarez we wont sign anyone else, the whole lot is blown.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We should have three new signings in key positions bedded in after a good pre-season and ready for the kick off in 10 days. Instead we have Wenger moaning on about it being tough this year and asking for patience. Patience after 8 years of shite. Nah, I for one am just fucked off now. Enough is enough, this lot aren't fit to run a tap never mind a football club that's supposedly challenging for honours. We'll have to wait till they all fuck off, Wenger included, before anything has a chance of changing.

Just for once, why couldn't they give the fans, the players, football in general something positive connected to the club rather than the usual comedy material?

bang on.

[Power n Glory]

Unless Wenger pulls off some Michael Corleone, Godfather finale, taking care of business in one day swoop movement, this summer has been a disaster. It seems as though there has been no planning or strategy involved at all. It's like we have one man and his briefcase taking care of all transfer dealings and can only do one deal at a time. Signing Suarez will amount to nothing if we're hit with injuries that cripple our defence. I'd expect the Suarez deal to be drawn out but it doesn't excuse the lack of movement in other key areas.

[Grebbo]

1. i told you how we cocked it up. we had everything in place then it went tits up, that's cocking it up. as NQ says, there is no systematic plan to our transfers. it was a case of 'bid for him and him, oh and him... oh hang on... he's also available... fuck it back out of them and just go for him'. no thought went into the current squad, the effect it would have on them going into the new season with no new players etc. sure madrid slammed £10m onto the price at the end but there's ways of negotiating around that i.e. instalments, persuasion techniques. you dont just walk away from negotiations when someone revalues a good, you offer to negotiate further. but of the things i read we completely backed out. literally packed our bags and walked away, giving room for other teams like napoli to negotiate and get the player in an instance. its funny how we do the ground work for players then for one 'reason' or another it never works out, only for other teams to swipe in and get them. mata another example, a complete cock up. and why the hell did it take so long to finally negotiate terms? if we done it in a few weeks i doubt madrid would have hiked the price. they saw there was no movement in europe and that every top team needed a striker so thought 'you know what, we'll increase his price because demand + supply warrants it'. they are entitled to do that. if you wrap the deal up early july you dont leave room for the market to dictate terms.

2. higuain is world class. they are both world class. you dont have to devalue one to make your argument better. suarez has more to his game but you can't say higuain is not world class. look at his world class record. would i rather have suarez? sure. but id rather have higuain + fellaini than suarez. if we sign suarez we wont sign anyone else, the whole lot is blown.

1. If we sign Suarez than nothing was cocked up. If we signed Higuain but could have signed Suarez that would have been a cock up.

2. Higuain is certainly not world class. He's not in the top ten forwards in the world - Suarez is.

[Özim]

If we sign Suarez we still cocked up, one player doesn't make a good summer, we needed 3-4 not one sole signing.

Had we had any decent plans in place we could have easily got them, you can reel off a long list of quality players who would make a difference, trouble is this club is a joke in the transfer market, everything we do is amateur and one marquee signing won't fix that. I also find it ironic that a club with "values" would be interested in one of the worst examples of a footballer around (not talent wise obviously).

In addition what possessed us to think that signing a player who is banned for 6 matches, who would cost 75+ million all in when we've signed noone else would be a good idea?

A single cell amoeba could have come up with better planning and transfer dealings to be honest.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

How is he going to cost us £70 million, if as you say he will leave in a year or two? Tone down the hyperbole. :lol:

We're absolutely right to favour Suarez over Higuain, so long as we do see it through. He just does everything better than Higuain, bar clinical finishing probably.

[Özim]

How is he going to cost us £70 million, if as you say he will leave in a year or two? Tone down the hyperbole. :lol:

We're absolutely right to favour Suarez over Higuain, so long as we do see it through. He just does everything better than Higuain, bar clinical finishing probably.
Depends if you'd rather see 1 player come in or 3-4. I favour the latter, it's more logical for a team lacking in quality all over the pitch, you've also got to factor in the fact Suarez will probably end up missing a 3rd of the season suspended.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We'll only get 30 million when he leaves! :lol:

Depends if you'd rather see 1 player come in or 3-4. I favour the latter, it's more logical for a team lacking in quality all over the pitch, you've also got to factor in the fact Suarez will probably end up missing a 3rd of the season suspended.

Well I don't think signing Higuain at what was it, £33 million in the end is neccesarily going to leave us the option of many more players either. Us having to deal with players facing suspensions is hardly anything new!

[Özim]

We don't usually have to deal with players getting suspended for sh*t like biting someone though or racially abusing them. The biting thing is funny because he did it once, got banned and yet he still did it again.

He must be pretty th*ck to never learn from his mistakes.

As for Higuain maybe, but there have been plenty of players around all summer...why not try our luck with Lewandowski (I know he wants to go to Bayern but you never know) or maybe we could have tried to snap up Yilmaz he's awesome and would be a lot cheaper, or even Huntelaar again.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).

[Power n Glory]

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).

Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:

[Özim]

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).
Not really no, I never once even suggested we should blow 40-50 million on one player, I just wanted quality a reasonablish price so we can bring a few players in (not the usual unknow sh*t Wenger signs though). The players suggested are quality and would improve the team without blowing the bank.

Suarez is a bit of a headcase though isn't he, the bans he gets are not your average run of the mill 3 match bans most players get, their bans for vicious/unacceptable behaviour, Cantona got banned for a long time and the same thing could easily happen to Suarez after all he's been caught twice in England now, next time they'll probably double the number of games.

If you don't try you never know for sure, yes that's probably a Wenger thing always wants a player to do more than just score goals, I was just pointing out there are cheaper options who are still top class and that would allow us to go out and sign a few more quality players like Shaquiri for example.

[Özim]

Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:
Probably, sounds like Wenger thing to do doesn't it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

£40-50 million now is like £20-30 million before. More money in the game, means prices go up but we're earning more in the process. I don't see why an arbritary figure should make much difference. In any case, the point is that under Wenger we have always gone down the route of not spending the big sum on one player but buying on multiple positions of roughly the same quality/price. It's hard to say it has particularly helped us in doing so!

Of course he is a complete fruitloop and the threat of further indiscretions is there but if you're going to compare him to Cantona then don't forget the (postive) effect Cantona had on the team. It's crazy that he was signed for just over a million though. As I said before, we'd take Vieira back in an instant and he was a red card liability, every season.

The third paragraph is linked to the first really, we do have more money coming in now, we should be able to afford at least one high price player and another better than decent. I do like Shaqiri but he did barely play for Bayern Munich last season and we already have a surfeit of players like him (good to very good). He was very good when I saw him for Basel. You never try and you never know is exactly right and that's why we've opted for Suarez, which seemed rather unlikely in May. Lewandowski does have more facets to his game than most strikers but again, he doesn't have that dribbling ability like Suarez does.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:

Hence why we've waved goodbye to Gervinho. :wave:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Wherever Suarez plays he's going to go out to the right flank anyway. He'll take half of his shots from the right byline, and the other half from the halfway line.

[Özim]

£40-50 million now is like £20-30 million before. More money in the game, means prices go up but we're earning more in the process. I don't see why an arbritary figure should make much difference. In any case, the point is that under Wenger we have always gone down the route of not spending the big sum on one player but buying on multiple positions of roughly the same quality/price. It's hard to say it has particularly helped us in doing so!

Of course he is a complete fruitloop and the threat of further indiscretions is there but if you're going to compare him to Cantona then don't forget the (postive) effect Cantona had on the team. It's crazy that he was signed for just over a million though. As I said before, we'd take Vieira back in an instant and he was a red card liability, every season.

The third paragraph is linked to the first really, we do have more money coming in now, we should be able to afford at least one high price player and another better than decent. I do like Shaqiri but he did barely play for Bayern Munich last season and we already have a surfeit of players like him (good to very good). He was very good when I saw him for Basel. You never try and you never know is exactly right and that's why we've opted for Suarez, which seemed rather unlikely in May. Lewandowski does have more facets to his game than most strikers but again, he doesn't have that dribbling ability like Suarez does.
I still think you can find top quality without paying that much, it's only this summer we're getting prices like this but it's also because the player in question just isn't for sale in reality and has 3 years left on his contract.

Suarez will never be a Cantona, he's not a player with that kind of presence ability, he's very good but not amongst the very best. As for Vieira, yes he did get suspended but he's not on the same scale as Suarez, Suarez is more like Barton in addition Vieira brought much more than just his game to the table, his leadership was another facet again Suarez will never be in that class.


We can afford them yes, but I think if we buy one that's our transfer budget all gone, this bothers me as one player really is nowhere near enough. Shaquiri is excellent and since he hasn't played much he'd be available at a reasonable price, there's also players like Gourcuff who would be worth a gamble and of course our old friend Fellaini.

The whole Suarez thing is odd and doesn't sit right with me, something about this just doesn't seem real, nothing is agreed of course meaning we may still end up with nothing but are still wasting valuable time that could be spent trying to sign other players.

[Cripps_orig]

Suarez was the best striker in England last season.

I'd say that puts him amongst the best

[Ollie the Optimist]

the only reason we are signing suarez is goals. thats it. we arent looking at him to be a leader, we arent looking at him to go home and meets the players mothers, we are looking at him to score goals. so saying viera brings more then just his game is totally irrelevant, we have leaders for that right now, we just need suarez to put the ball in the net.

hes a world class striker, thats what we have been crying out for since van persie left.

[fakeyank]

I still think you can find top quality without paying that much, it's only this summer we're getting prices like this but it's also because the player in question just isn't for sale in reality and has 3 years left on his contract.

Suarez will never be a Cantona, he's not a player with that kind of presence ability, he's very good but not amongst the very best. As for Vieira, yes he did get suspended but he's not on the same scale as Suarez, Suarez is more like Barton in addition Vieira brought much more than just his game to the table, his leadership was another facet again Suarez will never be in that class.


We can afford them yes, but I think if we buy one that's our transfer budget all gone, this bothers me as one player really is nowhere near enough. Shaquiri is excellent and since he hasn't played much he'd be available at a reasonable price, there's also players like Gourcuff who would be worth a gamble and of course our old friend Fellaini.

The whole Suarez thing is odd and doesn't sit right with me, something about this just doesn't seem real, nothing is agreed of course meaning we may still end up with nothing but are still wasting valuable time that could be spent trying to sign other players.

Off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who would definitely add value to our team compared to our dross. Cesar, Michu, Fellaini, Diego Lopez(?)- the same dude who liverpool want to sign. Their combined fee would be in the range of 50-60 million quid. I know I'd rather have that compared to just Suarez.
HOWEVER if Wenger is going to splash on Suarez and bring in another 2-3 top players, who am I to complain? I just think that expecting something like that is like expecting to see a unicorn in real life.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I still think you can find top quality without paying that much, it's only this summer we're getting prices like this but it's also because the player in question just isn't for sale in reality and has 3 years left on his contract.

Suarez will never be a Cantona, he's not a player with that kind of presence ability, he's very good but not amongst the very best. As for Vieira, yes he did get suspended but he's not on the same scale as Suarez, Suarez is more like Barton in addition Vieira brought much more than just his game to the table, his leadership was another facet again Suarez will never be in that class.


We can afford them yes, but I think if we buy one that's our transfer budget all gone, this bothers me as one player really is nowhere near enough. Shaquiri is excellent and since he hasn't played much he'd be available at a reasonable price, there's also players like Gourcuff who would be worth a gamble and of course our old friend Fellaini.

The whole Suarez thing is odd and doesn't sit right with me, something about this just doesn't seem real, nothing is agreed of course meaning we may still end up with nothing but are still wasting valuable time that could be spent trying to sign other players.

He's going for that money because that's what the best forwards go for. Falcao, Cavani and Neymar have all gone for that and obviously Bale is going to be ridiculous.

I think you're missing the point about Cantona and Vieira, I am not comparing their ability as players - Vieira could never score goals in the way Suarez can, Cantona would never score 30 goals or more in a season but that's irrelevant and nonsensical; what I was saying is that their influence and ability for a team can overrirde whatever misdemeanours they may do during the season.

I think the time has come for us to stop buying good to potentially very good players personally. We need more than that if we want us to move away from only achieving third or fourth place with no hope in anything else.

[Grebbo]

I think now is the time to up the bid. Slap in a bid of £45m and see what happens. The fans are turning now and are saying they're not fussed if he leaves. This takes some pressure off the manager and board. They should really sell him now so they have time to re-invest the money.

[Edinburgh Gooner]

I think now is the time to up the bid. Slap in a bid of £45m and see what happens. The fans are turning now and are saying they're not fussed if he leaves. This takes some pressure off the manager and board. They should really sell him now so they have time to re-invest the money.
Caught offside were saying earlier we are goin upto 47.5 mil, but thats caught off side ha ha. How those useless excuses for journalists are in the know i'll never know.

[Özim]

the only reason we are signing suarez is goals. thats it. we arent looking at him to be a leader, we arent looking at him to go home and meets the players mothers, we are looking at him to score goals. so saying viera brings more then just his game is totally irrelevant, we have leaders for that right now, we just need suarez to put the ball in the net.

hes a world class striker, thats what we have been crying out for since van persie left.
:lol: Leaders, where?

If it's just goals there's other players out there who would cost a lot less and allow us to strengthen other areas as well. Yeah and world class troublemaker as well.

[Özim]

Off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who would definitely add value to our team compared to our dross. Cesar, Michu, Fellaini, Diego Lopez(?)- the same dude who liverpool want to sign. Their combined fee would be in the range of 50-60 million quid. I know I'd rather have that compared to just Suarez.
HOWEVER if Wenger is going to splash on Suarez and bring in another 2-3 top players, who am I to complain? I just think that expecting something like that is like expecting to see a unicorn in real life.
If he signs a couple of others with Suarez then great, I've never seen a unicorn so I'm excited :lol:

But yeah we could spend that money on 3-4 quality players which would strengthen the overall team much more than one signing alone.

[Özim]

He's going for that money because that's what the best forwards go for. Falcao, Cavani and Neymar have all gone for that and obviously Bale is going to be ridiculous.

I think you're missing the point about Cantona and Vieira, I am not comparing their ability as players - Vieira could never score goals in the way Suarez can, Cantona would never score 30 goals or more in a season but that's irrelevant and nonsensical; what I was saying is that their influence and ability for a team can overrirde whatever misdemeanours they may do during the season.

I think the time has come for us to stop buying good to potentially very good players personally. We need more than that if we want us to move away from only achieving third or fourth place with no hope in anything else.
Cavani and Falcoa had much better scoring records tbf and Neymar is just a bit special isn't he, he's got it all moreover the marketing potential of that guy is huge he's going to be one of the world's very best you can see it.

I don't think Suarez has that influence personally, he'll score goals but he won't suddenly turn this team into winners like those guys could.

The players we've bought aren't in the class of players I'm suggesting that's the difference, we've bought players who were unknown quantities and when they aren't that great it's no real surprise, we can however buy top quality players who don't cost the earth. We won't get anything more than 3rd/4th with Suarez, we certainly won't win anything, we'd need 3-4 players to do that.

[Marc Overmars]

Cavani and Falcoa had much better scoring records tbf and Neymar is just a bit special isn't he, he's got it all moreover the marketing potential of that guy is huge he's going to be one of the world's very best you can see it.

I don't think Suarez has that influence personally, he'll score goals but he won't suddenly turn this team into winners like those guys could.

The players we've bought aren't in the class of players I'm suggesting that's the difference, we've bought players who were unknown quantities and when they aren't that great it's no real surprise, we can however buy top quality players who don't cost the earth. We won't get anything more than 3rd/4th with Suarez, we certainly won't win anything, we'd need 3-4 players to do that.

I wouldn't underestimate what having a top quality forward could do for us, now that we appear to have a modicum of defensive stability.

Not saying there would be a dramatic improvement but I know I'd be a little bit more optimistic.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cavani and Falcoa had much better scoring records tbf and Neymar is just a bit special isn't he, he's got it all moreover the marketing potential of that guy is huge he's going to be one of the world's very best you can see it.

I don't think Suarez has that influence personally, he'll score goals but he won't suddenly turn this team into winners like those guys could.

The players we've bought aren't in the class of players I'm suggesting that's the difference, we've bought players who were unknown quantities and when they aren't that great it's no real surprise, we can however buy top quality players who don't cost the earth. We won't get anything more than 3rd/4th with Suarez, we certainly won't win anything, we'd need 3-4 players to do that.

Yeah they do , though they've all been at better performing clubs but not outscored massively, in a single season. :ninja:

Gahhh you're still not understanding what I am saying. I'm not saying he would instantly turn us in to winners, I am saying his abilities might have a greater impact on the team than worrying about that impact not being there because he might potentially (well, will) get another suspension.

Cazorla is surely just as good as Gourcuff and Shaqiri (better in my opinion). I don't see them as being anything other than very good, which we already have. If I was to sign one midfielder of that type, it would be Gundogan, even though it'd feel like robbing my nan buying him from Dortmund.

Don't you remember what you used to say about buying 'world class players'? That it would give everyone a lift, including the players. I've said before, the most important part of signing someone like Suarez is the mention it sends out, most importantly to other players of that level - that we're a realistic option and are prepared to try and get the best (even if you don't rate Suarez that highly, the perception to those that matter is what er matters).

[Özim]

I wouldn't underestimate what having a top quality forward could do for us, now that we appear to have a modicum of defensive stability.

Not saying there would be a dramatic improvement but I know I'd be a little bit more optimistic.
We've had it before, as for the defence I still think we might find it was a flash in the pan and we'll return to the norm this season, we quite often have these end of season runs when there's nothing left to win.

He'll improve us without question, we'll still be miles away from the big boys though IMO.

[Özim]

Yeah they do , though they've all been at better performing clubs but not outscored massively, in a single season. :ninja:

Gahhh you're still not understanding what I am saying. I'm not saying he would instantly turn us in to winners, I am saying his abilities might have a greater impact on the team than worrying about that impact not being there because he might potentially (well, will) get another suspension.

Cazorla is surely just as good as Gourcuff and Shaqiri (better in my opinion). I don't see them as being anything other than very good, which we already have. If I was to sign one midfielder of that type, it would be Gundogan, even though it'd feel like robbing my nan buying him from Dortmund.

Don't you remember what you used to say about buying 'world class players'? That it would give everyone a lift, including the players. I've said before, the most important part of signing someone like Suarez is the mention it sends out, most importantly to other players of that level - that we're a realistic option and are prepared to try and get the best (even if you don't rate Suarez that highly, the perception to those that matter is what er matters).
I can counter that by saying being the focal point at a club not doing so well can lead to more goals as in better teams they're are usually better players who want some of the glory as well :lol:

Yeah I'm not convinced to be honest, you usually get more of an impact from players who lead on the pitch than players like him.

Cazorla is very good yes but it doesn't mean we can't have others as well, we don't have many very good players to be honest, just a few in my eyes.

Buying top class players does lift the club yes but one player in a whole summer after years of neglect when you're not a great team, really? It does change perception somewhat but you have to back it up with other signings as well and can't have a scenario where your top players want out (which invariably he will). I think Suarez is very good, I don't however think he's one of the very best, he's had one good season in England after all....I'm amazed that there's so much hype about him based on that, I don't know why I should be though as we had exactly the same with Adebayor.

I would have never picked Suarez out as a player for us to sign before the summer to be honest, like I said I do think he's very good but he's somewhat overrated due to the hype, people talk about him like he's another Messi or Ronaldo, 40-50 million is a lot of money for one player, particularly one with one good season proving himself in England and such a bad disciplinary record.

Uruguay have 3 top strikers and look how good they are at the moment, you need more than strikers in a team.

[Marc Overmars]

We've had it before, as for the defence I still think we might find it was a flash in the pan and we'll return to the norm this season, we quite often have these end of season runs when there's nothing left to win.

He'll improve us without question, we'll still be miles away from the big boys though IMO.

I agree we need quality in various positions but I don't think you should get so bogged down with this. We support a club that spends fuck all and never goes after these type of signings, so it would be a game changer for sure if we pulled this off.

It would be a shame if Suarez is the only signing this summer but at least we'd know club is prepared to change it's transfer policy.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I can counter that by saying being the focal point at a club not doing so well can lead to more goals as in better teams they're are usually better players who want some of the glory as well :lol:

Yeah I'm not convinced to be honest, you usually get more of an impact from players who lead on the pitch than players like him.

Cazorla is very good yes but it doesn't mean we can't have others as well, we don't have many very good players to be honest, just a few in my eyes.

Buying top class players does lift the club yes but one player in a whole summer after years of neglect when you're not a great team, really? It does change perception somewhat but you have to back it up with other signings as well and can't have a scenario where your top players want out (which invariably he will). I think Suarez is very good, I don't however think he's one of the very best, he's had one good season in England after all....I'm amazed that there's so much hype about him based on that, I don't know why I should be though as we had exactly the same with Adebayor.

I would have never picked Suarez out as a player for us to sign before the summer to be honest, like I said I do think he's very good but he's somewhat overrated due to the hype, people talk about him like he's another Messi or Ronaldo, 40-50 million is a lot of money for one player, particularly one with one good season proving himself in England and such a bad disciplinary record.

Uruguay have 3 top strikers and look how good they are at the moment, you need more than strikers in a team.

It'd be a bit of a cop-out to say, 'ah because he is the focal point', when he often pulls out wide and anyway, you could just as easily say the same thing for the others players mentioned, only with better players surrounding them!

Suarez has only had two full seasons in the league (he was brilliant for Liverpool the few games he played in the other season). Bit harsh to say he has only had one good one, 50% success rate. Just like, your favourite, Aguero. :whistle:

Come on Zim, you've mentioned what it was like when we got Bergkamp in 1995, it wasn't like we were riding high with talent then, nor with who else came in alongside Bergkamp. We're a far better side now than we were then, we're in a far better financial shape now compared to then and look what followed. When it all started for Citeh with Mansour, they only made one signficant purchase, as they didn't have time to do anything more than that - Robinho! Look what followed there.

If we assume that we will settle with Liverpool for the £47 million Caught Offside say (and that of course is a huge leap of faith given they're a pub team website) then I would suggest we still have a more than decent amount left, especially with all the squad departures we have had this sumemer. That's kinda why I want us to hurry this along but I don't want us to miss this opportunity, even if we're buying a complete nutter.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

From the Mirror:


Taylor later told the Press Association the contract does not oblige Liverpool to sell Suarez:

"If you are going to have a supposed buy-out clause it should be that, but it is different as it says if there is no qualification for the Champions League and if there is a minimum offer of £40million then the parties will get around the table to discuss things but it does not say the club has to sell.

"It quite clearly states £40million is a minimum offer for discussions, but it becomes really difficult with such clauses.

"There is a 'good faith' clause in relation to serious discussions but I can't say it is cast-iron buy-out clause.

"Luis is one of our members and we want to be supportive, however, he may well have thought such an offer would trigger a move.

"The interpretation is not that simple by any means and there is no guarantee of getting a (successful) result if it is referred to the Premier League.


:popcorn:

[Özim]

It'd be a bit of a cop-out to say, 'ah because he is the focal point', when he often pulls out wide and anyway, you could just as easily say the same thing for the others players mentioned, only with better players surrounding them!

Suarez has only had two full seasons in the league (he was brilliant for Liverpool the few games he played in the other season). Bit harsh to say he has only had one good one, 50% success rate. Just like, your favourite, Aguero. :whistle:

Come on Zim, you've mentioned what it was like when we got Bergkamp in 1995, it wasn't like we were riding high with talent then, nor with who else came in alongside Bergkamp. We're a far better side now than we were then, we're in a far better financial shape now compared to then and look what followed. When it all started for Citeh with Mansour, they only made one signficant purchase, as they didn't have time to do anything more than that - Robinho! Look what followed there.

If we assume that we will settle with Liverpool for the £47 million Caught Offside say (and that of course is a huge leap of faith given they're a pub team website) then I would suggest we still have a more than decent amount left, especially with all the squad departures we have had this sumemer. That's kinda why I want us to hurry this along but I don't want us to miss this opportunity, even if we're buying a complete nutter.
Just countering your point about the other two really who have more goals.

Yes but the price is disproportional considering how long he's been here, it's up to Liverpool in the end as he's under contract and they don't want to sell so they can name their price, but he's not really worth that kind of money based on 1 1/2 seasons.

Platt was signed as well as Bergkamp (another big signing at the time), we also came very close to getting Juninho so Bergkamp wasn't a lone signing.


I'd like to think so, but I what I think we'll find is that this will be it...if it's not then I'd be a lot happier, I wouldn't want to pin our whole season on Suarez.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Just countering your point about the other two really who have more goals.

Yes but the price is disproportional considering how long he's been here, it's up to Liverpool in the end as he's under contract and they don't want to sell so they can name their price, but he's not really worth that kind of money based on 1 1/2 seasons.

Platt was signed as well as Bergkamp (another big signing at the time), we also came very close to getting Juninho so Bergkamp wasn't a lone signing.


I'd like to think so, but I what I think we'll find is that this will be it...if it's not then I'd be a lot happier, I wouldn't want to pin our whole season on Suarez.

It's not countering it though, all sides have their best attackers as their go-to players, regardless of what level they're playing at.

It isn't disproportional to his talent and his value to Liverpool, only they can set the price of what they think it is. I can think of worse purchases for somewhere in that ballpark put it that way. I know Platt was signed then, had both stickers of those two players on my bedroom door. :lol: However I don't think people look back at that time and think 'yes, that's when it started' because Platt signed. It's Bergkamp where that is thought of.

[Özim]

It's not countering it though, all sides have their best attackers as their go-to players, regardless of what level they're playing at.

It isn't disproportional to his talent and his value to Liverpool, only they can set the price of what they think it is. I can think of worse purchases for somewhere in that ballpark put it that way. I know Platt was signed then, had both stickers of those two players on my bedroom door. :lol: However I don't think people look back at that time and think 'yes, that's when it started' because Platt signed. It's Bergkamp where that is thought of.
Well the point was Cavani and Falcoa scored more goals and thus are worth more than Suarez.

Yes that's true, I personally think it's too much for a player of his ability when looking at what else you can get for that.

Platt wasn't a massive success though I remember his goal in that classic 3-2 win against Man U, however he was a big player and big signing at the time, he'd been a great goalscorer for all his clubs and for England....just wish we'd got Juninho, what a player he was for Boro!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Therefore us paying less for Suarez than what was payed for Falcao and Cavani shouldn't be so much of a problem! It's a crude way of looking at it but Suarez score less than them but is also more creative.

Juninho was great, in two of the three stints at Boro anyway.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Apparently there's to be an embargoed story released at 10pm by the Telegraph, on BT Sports I think.

This is getting silly.

[JonasTC]

Just look towards the uruguay national team and you can see that suarez is better than cavani, scoring more goals and getting a more central role, than cavani (Even leading the team as a captain, when the normals captains werent around). I would much rather take my chances on suarez than cavani who isnt PL proven.

[Grebbo]

Apparently there's to be an embargoed story released at 10pm by the Telegraph, on BT Sports I think.

This is getting silly.

Maybe it's this?


@TonyBarretTimes: Looks like the PFA believe Liverpool's interpretation of Suarez's clause is correct. Interesting

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Maybe it's this?

Nah, I posted those quotes further up from a Mirror article.

It'll be something completely pointless, but it all adds to the drama.

[Özim]

Just look towards the uruguay national team and you can see that suarez is better than cavani, scoring more goals and getting a more central role, than cavani (Even leading the team as a captain, when the normals captains werent around). I would much rather take my chances on suarez than cavani who isnt PL proven.
Disagree, I think Cavani is better, much more lethal in front of goal and he's not a troublemaker.

Cavani looks like a prolific striker from the goals he scores.

[Grebbo]

From the Mirror:



Taylor later told the Press Association the contract does not oblige Liverpool to sell Suarez:

"If you are going to have a supposed buy-out clause it should be that, but it is different as it says if there is no qualification for the Champions League and if there is a minimum offer of £40million then the parties will get around the table to discuss things but it does not say the club has to sell.

"It quite clearly states £40million is a minimum offer for discussions, but it becomes really difficult with such clauses.

"There is a 'good faith' clause in relation to serious discussions but I can't say it is cast-iron buy-out clause.

"Luis is one of our members and we want to be supportive, however, he may well have thought such an offer would trigger a move.

"The interpretation is not that simple by any means and there is no guarantee of getting a (successful) result if it is referred to the Premier League.

:popcorn:

So we didn't need to bid the extra pound? We can take that off the bid now

:lol:

Tbh that's more encouraging than I thought it would be.

[Grebbo]

Nah, I posted those quotes further up from a Mirror article.

It'll be something completely pointless, but it all adds to the drama.

Roll on 10pm

:popcorn:

[Niall_Quinn]

Utterly pointless contribution from the PFA as Suarez's agent has already stated the key points of argument are based on a verbal agreement, not what's written in the contract. I also think Suarez's chickens will start coming home to roost over the next couple of weeks. The establishment plainly don't like him as they shamelessly discriminated against him when they dished out his punishments, in comparison to Terry for example. I don't think the guy will find support from anywhere, especially from any of the stuffed suits.

[Niall_Quinn]

Roll on 10pm

:popcorn:

Probably an exclusive buy fifty five thousand/ get one free offer on our new away kit.

[GP]

http://i.imgur.com/zgvqfo3.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.thaitechnics.com/aircraft/tg2/f5.jpg time.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

What type of football news is usually embargoed?

I remember the Gruaindae had one weeks/months ago, which turned out to be Madrid hunting for Bale.

[JonasTC]

Disagree, I think Cavani is better, much more lethal in front of goal and he's not a troublemaker.

Cavani looks like a prolific striker from the goals he scores.

Suarez has a MUCH better goalscoring record on the national team than Cavani (even better than the likes of Messi and Cronaldo) and Cavani has had a couple of good seasons in a shit league, Suarez has the same goal scoring record in the best league in the world, makes no sense that you would rather want to go for an unproven player when there is a proven player available for the same price.

[Özim]

Suarez has a MUCH better goalscoring record on the national team than Cavani (even better than the likes of Messi and Cronaldo) and Cavani has had a couple of good seasons in a shit league, Suarez has the same goal scoring record in the best league in the world, makes no sense that you would rather want to go for an unproven player when there is a proven player available for the same price.
Have you even seen Cavani play?

There so much hype about Suarez it's untrue, he's had one good season in England that's it. The fact his International record is better than Messi's and Ronaldo should tell you all you need, don't look at the International record as proof he's better because Messi and Ronaldo are leagues ahead of him and yet have an inferior record there.

Cavani is an excellent finisher, he cost too much so I wouldn't have wanted us to spend that money on him but he's better than Suarez IMO.

[Marc Overmars]

No doubt Cavani is great but I think Suarez's unpredictability is better for us, given our front line is interchangeable.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What type of football news is usually embargoed?

I remember the Gruaindae had one weeks/months ago, which turned out to be Madrid hunting for Bale.

Never heard of an embargo for football news. Injunctions obviously have happened but I am not sure that is the same thing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Never heard of an embargo for football news. Injunctions obviously have happened but I am not sure that is the same thing.

It's innovation, BT Sport upping their game.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Never heard of an embargo for football news. Injunctions obviously have happened but I am not sure that is the same thing.

It is going to be monumental rubbish. If there is indeed anything :ninja:

But that hasn't stopped me refreshing the Telegraph every 5 minutes.

[Ollie the Optimist]

we are about to find out now i think. 10pm its released isnt it?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It is going to be monumental rubbish. If there is indeed anything :ninja:

But that hasn't stopped me refreshing the Telegraph every 5 minutes.

Up there with Inter to make bid for Bale, I imagine.

[Marc Overmars]

The story is that Suarez was pictured meeting with Arsenal officials long before any bid was made. So essentially, we tapped him up just like Mourinho and Kenyon did to Cole back in the day.

[Grebbo]

The story is that Suarez was pictured meeting with Arsenal officials long before any bid was made. So essentially, we tapped him up just like Mourinho and Kenyon did to Cole back in the day.

Really?

:haha:

I hope all this is worth it and we actually sign the fucker.

:haha:

[Ollie the Optimist]

daily star :lol: say we have offered 51 million

[Marc Overmars]

Really?

:haha:

I hope all this is worth it and we actually sign the fucker.

:haha:

Nah, made it up.

:ninja:

[Grebbo]

Nah, made it up.

:ninja:

:lol:

[GP]

Nah, made it up.

:ninja:

You're a bigger monster than Letters.

But at least you don't wear Crocs.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

APRIL FOOLS!

[Niall_Quinn]

You've stolen Wenger's punchline you bastard.

[Marc Overmars]

On a side note, the squad for the CL play-off needs to be registered by next Monday.

So unless we sign someone in the next 5 days it looks like we'll be using the same old turd burglars for that.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

You've stolen Wenger's punchline you bastard.

We're still little bit in the waiting period.

Be patient.

[Grebbo]

APRIL FOOLS!

Oh come on man that's not cool!

[Ollie the Optimist]

On a side note, the squad for the CL play-off needs to be registered by next Monday.

So unless we sign someone in the next 5 days it looks like we'll be using the same old turd burglars for that.

apparently you can register one player the day the before.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Oh come on man that's not cool!

:lol: I'm kidding.

It's probably just that he has to train on his own.

And if it is then it'd be the worst one ever, given this was already known.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think it's just that Suarez has been ordered to train alone. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

apparently you can register one player the day the before.

That will be Diaby then. Just in case.

[Grebbo]

I think it's just that Suarez has been ordered to train alone. :lol:

I thought he was injured?

:lol:

This saga needs to end soon, it's getting silly.

[Marc Overmars]

Jim White may very well splaff himself to death on deadline day if moves for Bale, Wazza and Suarez are still up in the air.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Rodgers has categorically said he made no promises to Suarez.

I'm probably a little biased, but I believe him over Buck tooth bastard twatface.

[GP]

Rodgers has categorically said he made no promises to Suarez.


He did, it was in the envelope.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Rodgers has categorically said he made no promises to Suarez.

I'm probably a little biased, but I believe him over Buck tooth bastard twatface.

i dont think there is anyone you can trust in football anymore. i mean rodgers isnt exactly innocent. gave swansea his word that he wouldnt sign any players for 12 months (apparently this was a written agreement) and he goes straight for joe allen

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Easy to confuse Allen as Xavi tbf.

[Grebbo]

You can tell a lot about a man by his wife. Rodgers is scum.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

i dont think there is anyone you can trust in football anymore. i mean rodgers isnt exactly innocent. gave swansea his word that he wouldnt sign any players for 12 months (apparently this was a written agreement) and he goes straight for joe allen

True.

Though there were caveats in that clause, for example it was rendered null if other clubs became interested, which Spurs apparently did.

And Allen had a pre-existing clause in his contract which further complicated things.

In any case, I'm biased...

[Ollie the Optimist]

this summer has shown how classy wenger can be. i have never ever heard him moan about rvp, nasri etc etc even after statements or after they have left. rodgers has done the exact opposite. its hardly going to make a player want to stay

[Özim]

Rodgers has categorically said he made no promises to Suarez.

I'm probably a little biased, but I believe him over Buck tooth bastard twatface.
Yeah tend to agree, Suarez is hardly of "good character", just another mercenary footballer who thinks about number 1 (this one causes trouble everywhere he goes as well).

[Özim]

this summer has shown how classy wenger can be. i have never ever heard him moan about rvp, nasri etc etc even after statements or after they have left. rodgers has done the exact opposite. its hardly going to make a player want to stay
Yeah didn't moan about Adebayor either, just blamed the fans.

An all round good guy really.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

1. If we sign Suarez than nothing was cocked up. If we signed Higuain but could have signed Suarez that would have been a cock up.

2. Higuain is certainly not world class. He's not in the top ten forwards in the world - Suarez is.

1. yes it could be cocked up because we could end up losing in the QL qualifier as suarez will probably be signed on the 31st august. what then? not a cock up? and by the time he's eligible for the league we could be 10 points behind the leaders. what then? still not a cock up? we've taken that risk by going for suarez who cant play until october. getting in someone like higuain would have minimised the risk. he could play from the start and give us a better chance of getting off to a good start. the way some of you treat the season it seems as if it starts on 2nd sept. well it doesnt. we have 5 games before then which could determine the fate of our season. and seeing as our last 2 finishes were decided on 1 solitary point, throwing away 5 games is a stupid approach.

2. :lol: and as for that definition of world class, let's just leave that argument here. that is a ridiculous definition. world class has so many more things attached to it than simply being in the best 10 in that particular position. but if we're going to choose a number to suit our argument why not top 15? top 20? or top 7.89? some people even suggest being world class means being in the best 11 in the world, so why not use that definition? well suarez wouldnt get into the best 11 which means he's not world class (and certainly not worth a staggering £45m). see, we can all make up definitions to suit our argument :tiphat:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Unless Wenger pulls off some Michael Corleone, Godfather finale, taking care of business in one day swoop movement, this summer has been a disaster. It seems as though there has been no planning or strategy involved at all. It's like we have one man and his briefcase taking care of all transfer dealings and can only do one deal at a time. Signing Suarez will amount to nothing if we're hit with injuries that cripple our defence. I'd expect the Suarez deal to be drawn out but it doesn't excuse the lack of movement in other key areas.

:doh: should have just read a few posts down and pasted this tbh. spot on.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Well I don't think signing Higuain at what was it, £33 million in the end is neccesarily going to leave us the option of many more players either. Us having to deal with players facing suspensions is hardly anything new!

you're completely underestimating the effect on the team.

we have 5 games to play before 2nd sept. if preseason is anything to go by, facing any half decent team is going to put us in real trouble for the qualifier.

we had higuain who was willing to come here regardless of whether we were going to be in the champions league. a world class player with a world class record didn't give a shit, he was willing. suarez has said it's a must. that means we won't sign him until we've qualified at least because that's his prerequisite. what if we lose that game and suarez decides against moving here? you cant say it wont happen because we've looked bad against half decent teams in preseason. who are we left to sign then? we're fucked.

and then there's other little things like if you sign higuain you can play him in the league and leave giroud solely for europe i.e. you can bench giroud and keep him completely fit and focused on the qualifier. now that's what you call taking a good, non-risky, well planned approach. but now giroud plays the league games and then the european games. what if giroud has a stinker and we have no decent player to come off the bench? what if he gets injured? what do we do then? put bendtner up top? Lol

we've taken another risky approach in a summer where we've had the resources to divert from taking risks. our bank balance and resources were supposed to signify a different approach but we've done exactly the same thing as before. we've taken ANOTHER risk. this was supposed to be the summer where there were no risks. just think about that for a second.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wouldn't surprise me if some buggy software has been picking our transfer targets.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2386529/Luis-Suarez-forced-train-Brendan-Rodgers-blasts-wantaway-Liverpool-striker.html

Deal starting to look more impossible by the day unless we significantly up our offer. That means our tight wads offering £45mill or even £50mill for one player (plus wages on top). Can anyone really see it? Huge sighs of relief all around the board room and from Wenger's office. That was a close call.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rodgers seems to be trying for at least one interview a day on this transfer, can't shut him up. You'd think somebody at the club would have a word.

[JonasTC]

Seriously this guy is delusional... No matter if Suarez is sold or not, when the transfer window closes, Liverpool and especially Brendan Rodgers have handled this in the worst possible manner ever. Its a lose/lose situation for them no matter what happends.

[Munchies]

It wouldn't surprise me if Bendtner is played regularly next season by Wenger :(

[Boss]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_aOogo50i0w/UgK0Z6pD-MI/AAAAAAAAITs/tmHnSIk8gt0/w529-h677-no/BRGAURGCcAAVQHJ.jpeg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

you're completely underestimating the effect on the team.

we have 5 games to play before 2nd sept. if preseason is anything to go by, facing any half decent team is going to put us in real trouble for the qualifier.

we had higuain who was willing to come here regardless of whether we were going to be in the champions league. a world class player with a world class record didn't give a shit, he was willing. suarez has said it's a must. that means we won't sign him until we've qualified at least because that's his prerequisite. what if we lose that game and suarez decides against moving here? you cant say it wont happen because we've looked bad against half decent teams in preseason. who are we left to sign then? we're fucked.

and then there's other little things like if you sign higuain you can play him in the league and leave giroud solely for europe i.e. you can bench giroud and keep him completely fit and focused on the qualifier. now that's what you call taking a good, non-risky, well planned approach. but now giroud plays the league games and then the european games. what if giroud has a stinker and we have no decent player to come off the bench? what if he gets injured? what do we do then? put bendtner up top? Lol

we've taken another risky approach in a summer where we've had the resources to divert from taking risks. our bank balance and resources were supposed to signify a different approach but we've done exactly the same thing as before. we've taken ANOTHER risk. this was supposed to be the summer where there were no risks. just think about that for a second.

We could have got Higuain, no doubt. I'd rather we went for the best players available that we can get and that is the case in this situation, in spite of all the issues surrounding. Also, the point that you have made is not in consideration of what Zim and I were talking about. The suggestion was that we won't sign anyone else because of Suarez's potential fee whereas we would've been going for a fair few other players, despite Higuain's fee, as it stand only being £8 million less or so.

To say Suarez is hanging back until we 'make' the Champions League isn't particularly accurate when we haven't even agreed a fee with Liverpool yet, he could play in those matches and if he doesn't take this opportunity he is guaranteed to have no European football this season whatsoever.

Let's suppose you are right and that the best players are hanging back until we qualify for the Champions League, does that mean we go in and buy players of lesser quality just to show we're active? I think we've done enough of that in the past.

It's obvious that you are very concerned of how the squad is currently for those two matches, however I'm not, unless we draw Real Sociedad. If Giroud has a stinker, we can get Poldi to goal hang and use his left foot, or make Theo happy.

This was supposed to be the summer when there were no risks doesn't resonate; I can't remember that being suggested. I can remember it being suggested by Gazidis we can do 'exciting' things but I don't remember saying it will be risk free. You can have plans and they can change, they obviously changed to a certain degree when we learnt Suarez is a potential signing. If we don't see it through, then I will probably be on your side but not until then.

[Özim]

I'm a bit surprised at people's reactions to us potentially signing considering his history, took Groningen to a tribunal and lost, got banned for a long time at Ajax for biting, the world cup incident with the handball (blatant cheating), the racism storm and then another ban for the bite....now he's trying to force his way out of another club when he only signed last summer and has no clause to allow him to.

He's a real troublemaker and he'll without doubt do this to us as well when the time comes, people seem to have forgotten what it's like already when a player forces a move for greed.

He's gonna cost a lot of money and is going to be a lot of trouble, Higuain would have been a much better option IMO, some players just aren't worth the trouble.

[Power n Glory]

Signing Suarez isn’t enough. We’re banking on our defence performing as they did towards the end of last season. If any of the back four pick up and injury, then we’re in trouble. We don’t have cover for Arteta either. I can’t understand why we haven’t bought anyone in those key areas yet.

[Özim]

Siging one player would never have been enough, for some reason though we've chosen to stay out of the transfer market and go after a guy who has caused trouble wherever he's been, I find that strange when there's been plenty of other options all summer....Cavani, Falcoa, Higuain amongst others (I'm not saying we should have paid the huge sums but if we're going to pay them for Suarez why not for someone else with less baggage?).

We could have signed a lot of quality players by now and could be going into the season with real hope with a team capable of challenging instead we're as we were last season and after a striker banned for 6 games with no other signings in sight.

Ironically if we'd put a bit more effort in we could have held on to RVP and saved a load of money at the time.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Rodgers seems to be trying for at least one interview a day on this transfer, can't shut him up. You'd think somebody at the club would have a word.

To be fair, whilst he's still our player he can talk about him as much as he likes. We're way past convincing him to stay so I doubt he cares what Suarez thinks.

And I think we've handled it pretty well, given the utter shite turfed up by twatface and his agent.

[Cripps_orig]

Has he come home yet?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We could have got Higuain, no doubt. I'd rather we went for the best players available that we can get and that is the case in this situation, in spite of all the issues surrounding. Also, the point that you have made is not in consideration of what Zim and I were talking about. The suggestion was that we won't sign anyone else because of Suarez's potential fee whereas we would've been going for a fair few other players, despite Higuain's fee, as it stand only being £8 million less or so.

To say Suarez is hanging back until we 'make' the Champions League isn't particularly accurate when we haven't even agreed a fee with Liverpool yet, he could play in those matches and if he doesn't take this opportunity he is guaranteed to have no European football this season whatsoever.

Let's suppose you are right and that the best players are hanging back until we qualify for the Champions League, does that mean we go in and buy players of lesser quality just to show we're active? I think we've done enough of that in the past.

It's obvious that you are very concerned of how the squad is currently for those two matches, however I'm not, unless we draw Real Sociedad. If Giroud has a stinker, we can get Poldi to goal hang and use his left foot, or make Theo happy.

This was supposed to be the summer when there were no risks doesn't resonate; I can't remember that being suggested. I can remember it being suggested by Gazidis we can do 'exciting' things but I don't remember saying it will be risk free. You can have plans and they can change, they obviously changed to a certain degree when we learnt Suarez is a potential signing. If we don't see it through, then I will probably be on your side but not until then.

that's a good post. i suppose the risk would be going into the new season with the same squad, which went out of all cups by february last year and bundled over the line to get 4th. while gazidis didn't actually point out we wouldn't take risks, that is the actual risk; the fact we're leaving transfers late again when we know the effect it can have on the team. remember the trolley dash a few seasons back? didn't work out well did it. that's taking risks. when you go on a late trolley dash you get desperate and buy players who may not work out. so while gazidis didn't explicitly say we wouldn't take risks, the actions we are taking are not risk averse. he may not have said 'we wont take risks' but risks are based on what you've done previously, so you try to avoid doing the same thing. but it seems like we aren't.

plus we sold 20+ players over the summer, who don't me wrong we needed to sell, but we are in a worse situation than what we were last season purely because of no new players coming in. i'd rather have gervinho in the qualifier than nothing (assuming we don't sign anyone in his position by then). so in my view that's taking risks. we could have bought players, had them train together and build some sort of understanding, but we haven't.

the suarez point is completely valid and it completely escaped my mind he could just come and play in the qualifier.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Has he come home yet?

get the tissues ready.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Siging one player would never have been enough, for some reason though we've chosen to stay out of the transfer market and go after a guy who has caused trouble wherever he's been, I find that strange when there's been plenty of other options all summer....Cavani, Falcoa, Higuain amongst others (I'm not saying we should have paid the huge sums but if we're going to pay them for Suarez why not for someone else with less baggage?).

We could have signed a lot of quality players by now and could be going into the season with real hope with a team capable of challenging instead we're as we were last season and after a striker banned for 6 games with no other signings in sight.

Ironically if we'd put a bit more effort in we could have held on to RVP and saved a load of money at the time.

yes this is exactly my point. that's taking risks. with that money we could sign anyone and we could have done it by mid july but we haven't.

[LDG]

get the tissues ready.

That's very much a "yes and no" answer.

[Cripps_orig]

Lost interest in this and indeed any Arsenal transfer talk as nothing will happen.

Just start the season now

[Özim]

Lost interest in this and indeed any Arsenal transfer talk as nothing will happen.

Just start the season now
:goodpost: This club is a complete bore when it comes to transfers incapable of signing the necessary players and planning get to business done and dusted early.

It's August and we've not managed to sign one player of note, f*cking joke tbh.

[Kano]

To be fair, whilst he's still our player he can talk about him as much as he likes. We're way past convincing him to stay so I doubt he cares what Suarez thinks.

And I think we've handled it pretty well, given the utter shite turfed up by twatface and his agent.

pretty much although it is a case of when, not if, you sell him and who stumps up the cash to buy him. which will probably not be arsenal.

if real fail in buying bale this summer, they'll nip in and take suarez.

[Niall_Quinn]

It wouldn't surprise me if Bendtner is played regularly next season by Wenger :(

SHUT UP!!!!! :wwf:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_aOogo50i0w/UgK0Z6pD-MI/AAAAAAAAITs/tmHnSIk8gt0/w529-h677-no/BRGAURGCcAAVQHJ.jpeg

£51mill bid is for the kid, totally different deal.

[Özim]

I like the sign next to Suarez in the small picture, it's very appropriate.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be fair, whilst he's still our player he can talk about him as much as he likes. We're way past convincing him to stay so I doubt he cares what Suarez thinks.

And I think we've handled it pretty well, given the utter shite turfed up by twatface and his agent.

Yeah but look at what Suarez has (allegedly) said. Rodgers has thrown his toys, talking about disrespecting the club etc. It's like he's apologising to the fans in advance or just having a strop. With modern players who is surprised when they disrespect the club? They disrespect the whole of football as a matter of course. If the manager wants to jump up and down every time it happens then he's going to get puffed out and look foolish. Wenger did the same before the Lesbo and Cesc exits. Rodgers is looking out of his depth here, not David Moyes out of his depth but he's still on the tail end of the debate reacting rather than appearing to be in control.

[Özim]

I dunno, sticking him in the reserves to rot is showing him who's in charge, hope the f*cker stays there and missed gets his come uppance by missing out on the World Cup (they have Forlan and Cavani after all).

This guy isn't the average footballer, his behaviour really is despicable, just look at how he's screwed over his clubs and got himself involved in all sorts of incidents.

I mean what are Liverpool suppose to do with this muppet, let him say and do whatever he likes?

[Niall_Quinn]

Come on - the guy can't play until October anyway.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I dunno, sticking him in the reserves to rot is showing him who's in charge, hope the f*cker stays there and missed gets his come uppance by missing out on the World Cup (they have Forlan and Cavani after all).

This guy isn't the average footballer, his behaviour really is despicable, just look at how he's screwed over his clubs and got himself involved in all sorts of incidents.

I can't remember what you said last year so genuine question this. Is that what you wanted us to do with rvp? Stick him in the reserves to show him whose boss?

[Munchies]

:goodpost: This club is a complete bore when it comes to transfers incapable of signing the necessary players and planning get to business done and dusted early.

It's August and we've not managed to sign one player of note, f*cking joke tbh.

Pretty much, I mean most of us can see where we need to strengthen the squad, but the manager we have right now is so deluded that he thinks we're fine.

http://havearsenalspentanymoneyyet.com/

9 days new season , FFS

Seeing top players sign for Spurs (when they miss out on 4th each year) , is pissing me off.

[Özim]

I can't remember what you said last year so genuine question this. Is that what you wanted us to do with rvp? Stick him in the reserves to show him whose boss?
You keep comparing those but that is completely different.

1) RVP had been with us 8 years
2) His contract was running down
3) He was almost 29 and really looking at his final chance of silverware (wasn't going to get any with us)
4) He didn't make up sh*t in the press
5) He didn't get himself into trouble left right and centre

I can understand RVP, he'd been with us a long time and we were never going to win anything, what was he going to do stay with us and continue to win nothing and have nothing to show for his career, he was 29 he didn't exactly have that long to win anything. Suarez is very different, his behaviour has been appalling on and off the pitch throughout his career and the way he's treating Liverpool after the sh*t the defended him over makes it worse, especially as he's only been there a couple years...he's 26 he has plenty of time left to move on, the fact he's trying to force a move based on a false clause makes it even worse....as does threatening Liverpool.

He's a scumbag, he did the same to Groningen and lost but Ajax upped their bid and he moved...he's got history of this.

[Özim]

Come on - the guy can't play until October anyway.
True but what else can they do, give in to this guy and let another player walkover everyone because he feels like it?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Yeah but look at what Suarez has (allegedly) said. Rodgers has thrown his toys, talking about disrespecting the club etc. It's like he's apologising to the fans in advance or just having a strop. With modern players who is surprised when they disrespect the club? They disrespect the whole of football as a matter of course. If the manager wants to jump up and down every time it happens then he's going to get puffed out and look foolish. Wenger did the same before the Lesbo and Cesc exits. Rodgers is looking out of his depth here, not David Moyes out of his depth but he's still on the tail end of the debate reacting rather than appearing to be in control.

Well he directly accused Rodgers and the club of lying. If that isn't true then he has to come out and put it to bed- had he been ambiguous in what he said (which would be ironic) then it wouldn't look good on his part. And it wouldn't look good to current players or potential new signings either, that accusations like that weren't categorically dismissed. In that sense he has disrespected the club and everyone associated with it, more than normal.

We probably won't keep him, and our stance may look foolish, but that doesn't mean we should capitulate and let him have free reign of what comes out in the press either. Especially if it turns out to be utter crap, which so far it has done. Repeatedly.

[tjmill]

I still think we will sign Suarez he clearly wants to come and we are not too far apart on price with Liverpool.
He is one of the best strikers in Premier League so will finally be RVP's replacement.

[Özim]

Rodgers reckons we're a long way from the price they would be willing to accept.

[Kano]

I dunno, sticking him in the reserves to rot is showing him who's in charge, hope the f*cker stays there and missed gets his come uppance by missing out on the World Cup (they have Forlan and Cavani after all).

This guy isn't the average footballer, his behaviour really is despicable, just look at how he's screwed over his clubs and got himself involved in all sorts of incidents.

I mean what are Liverpool suppose to do with this muppet, let him say and do whatever he likes?

yep, because that's how it works. we can be idealistic and say 'throw him into the reserves' but in another 6 months, he'll still get what he wants, with no lesson learnt at all as the same trick will be pulled at his next club.

the bosman ruling changed it all and theres no going back. before, the clubs could screw over the players which only harmed the players and their loved ones. now it feels far more personal because its the players who are in control and have ruined this illusion we had that loyalty actually existed before the ruling change. in fact, in never did. it was just the players didnt have the autonomy to do as they are now.

suarez is just a heightened version of how low people will go to do as they please and get what they want if given the chance.

[Munchies]

Paul Merson tips Man City for title - or Arsenal if they get Suarez
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/soccer-saturday/news/8859358/paul-merson-tips-man-city-for-title-or-arsenal-if-they-get-suarez




This may sound stupid because people will say this isn't a surprise, but I'm going to go for Arsenal as the surprise package this year. People will say they're always a top-four team, which is true, but they've not been close to winning the league for a long, long time. If they can get Suarez I really do believe they can win the Premier League. However, if they don't get him then I don't give them a chance of winning the league. He's the difference, along with Jack Wilshere playing every week. I also don't see Aston Villa being where they were last season and I think they could surprise a few people

:lol:

Yeah right

[Niall_Quinn]

Well he directly accused Rodgers and the club of lying. If that isn't true then he has to come out and put it to bed- had he been ambiguous in what he said (which would be ironic) then it wouldn't look good on his part. And it wouldn't look good to current players or potential new signings either, that accusations like that weren't categorically dismissed. In that sense he has disrespected the club and everyone associated with it, more than normal.

We probably won't keep him, and our stance may look foolish, but that doesn't mean we should capitulate and let him have free reign of what comes out in the press either. Especially if it turns out to be utter crap, which so far it has done. Repeatedly.

I think the media has helpfully added the word "lying", haven't they? Is this a public he said/ she said competition, Suarez wins if that's the case because it's all brought down to that level. Suarez is already acting the dick but there's no glory in being a slightly smaller dick by comparison.

[Nayan]

we dont have a problem scoring goals and should be strenghtening other areas. on top of suarez being massively overpriced and a wanker who moves every other year.
plus a cannibal racist

[Özim]

yep, because that's how it works. we can be idealistic and say 'throw him into the reserves' but in another 6 months, he'll still get what he wants, with no lesson learnt at all as the same trick will be pulled at his next club.

the bosman ruling changed it all and theres no going back. before, the clubs could screw over the players which only harmed the players and their loved ones. now it feels far more personal because its the players who are in control and have ruined this illusion we had that loyalty actually existed before the ruling change. in fact, in never did. it was just the players didnt have the autonomy to do as they are now.

suarez is just a heightened version of how low people will go to do as they please and get what they want if given the chance.
Maybe but then Man City did it successfully with Tevez, he kicked up a fuss and they just told him to lump it, eventually he came back with his tail between his legs and apologised and played, I know they have a lot of money but it can be done, they could certainly fine him as well in all probability.

I agree clubs use to have the control however players still had a say, if they didn't want to move they could turn down the move. I guess clubs can have their say now of course but players like him make it hard.

Maybe but I'd say Suarez is a prime example of what's bad in the game today, he's certainly amongst the most disloyal players and one of the biggest troublemakers. Like I said though if Liverpool took a hardline stance and he missed out on the World Cup that would be karma.

[Nayan]

bit rich brendan rodgers talking about loyalty and class. HE wa making statements about how he was committed to watford two weeks before he went to reading.
And as fopr arsenal not shopwing class? they showed a bid(admittedly one that i hope never gets to wear our shirt) for a player they heard wanted to move. end of. Didnt insult anyone, put down any scousers, nick anyones stero or leave anyones car propped uip on piles of bricks

prick

[Kano]

Maybe but then Man City did it successfully with Tevez, he kicked up a fuss and they just told him to lump it, eventually he came back with his tail between his legs and apologised and played, I know they have a lot of money but it can be done, they could certainly fine him as well in all probability.

I agree clubs use to have the control however players still had a say, if they didn't want to move they could turn down the move. I guess clubs can have their say now of course but players like him make it hard.

Maybe but I'd say Suarez is a prime example of what's bad in the game today, he's certainly amongst the most disloyal players and one of the biggest troublemakers. Like I said though if Liverpool took a hardline stance and he missed out on the World Cup that would be karma.
what lesson was learned? absolutely none. he came back to the team, swallowed a nominal fine that didn't touch the sides, played some games and was off a year later. and repeat.

it's all about influence and control. players could turn down a move before but most wouldn't because once you know you aren't wanted somewhere, why stick around? its the reverse for clubs now. a player makes it clear he doesn't want to be there, so a club caves in a realises its just pointless clinging on. a tottenham director said exactly the same the other day about bale.

honestly, no one cares about karma, or rights or wrongs. its about getting what they want. kick up enough of a stink and people will get rid. its a rule of life sadly.

[Nayan]

you cant really blame the player for moving and taking the cash. He'd be stupid not to

[Power n Glory]

This isn’t a clear case. If Suarez was told he could move if Liverpool fail to qualify for the Champs League, then Liverpool are in the wrong. Something was agreed otherwise there would be no need to add an ambiguous buyout clause. It’s a damn shame we’re involved in this sorry mess. If we’re going to break the bank and go through a long drawn out process for a player, I’d prefer if it was someone other than Suarez. I’d argue he has a case against Liverpool but we really shouldn’t be vouching for this guy. He’s such a shady character and I have a feeling we’re going to get burnt on this.

[Özim]

Don't forget Suarez did this to Groningen so he's got previous, I don't trust the guy I'd say he's in the wrong based on the past and the way he's acted.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He's not going to need to act up for us to sell someone. :lol:

[selassie]

He's not going to need to act up for us to sell someone. :lol:

Probably why he's so desperate to join us :lol:

[selassie]

I still think we will sign Suarez he clearly wants to come and we are not too far apart on price with Liverpool.
He is one of the best strikers in Premier League so will finally be RVP's replacement.

I think we're going to need to either offer a shit load more money or their owners are going to need to have a big change of heart.

As it stands, John W Henry and the other cronies have said he categorically will not be sold to Arsenal, they even said it yesterday after his outburst. Rogers is standing firm with this too..judging by all the quotes I've seen in the paper.

Suarez will most likely leave...but I really don't think he's going to be coming here.

[Power n Glory]

Probably why he's so desperate to join us :lol:

Yep. Taxi to Spain.

[LDG]

I'm officially bored with all of this shit.