MP's Wankers: Official

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23954447


More than 300,000 attempts were made to access pornographic websites at the Houses of Parliament in the past year, official records suggest.

[Niall_Quinn]

They were doing research in preparation for the nanny filter which will be coming into effect unless they all die in some painful, horrible and delightfully wonderful and welcome manner.

[Niall_Quinn]

I will be PROUDLY signing up for porn btw, in fact I may get a bumper sticker made. If everyone signs up then their filter fails by default. I'm also assuming the filter won't apply in their own subsidised bars, restaurants and taxpayer funded luxury offices?

Fuck - these cunts need to be ended by whatever means necessary and why the fuck do you encourage me?

[Letters]

:lol: You disapprove of the filter? OK, let's hear it...

[Niall_Quinn]

Because once you give these cunts control of content on the Internet they will abuse the power. In fact the legislation also covers "chat", "forums", and several other types of non-pornographic content and even goes as far as to propose an opt-in for "esoteric" content. What does that mean? Non-mainstream approved?

Let's be clear, fucking cunt politicians don't give a fuck about kids unless they are fiddling with them and blaming Jimmy Saville for the whole deal. Tie this shit in with their two-tier Internet proposals and their lust for invading privacy and what do you get when this thin end of the wedge broadens out?

I'm even against an opt-out because it still allows them to impose the infrastructure.

And, of course, as a swathe of Internet and technology experts have told them - there are much more effective alternatives available to parents already and they won't cost a penny in taxpayer funding, whereas this project will of course be fucked beyond all recognition and will cost at least 25 times more than budget because government is demonstrably incompetent at everything it does. So we'll more likely end up with a broken Internet than an Internet safe for kids which can never and will never exist anyway. That's the whole point of parental responsibility and government and all the cunts who man it should fuck off out of the equation.

http://www.kaspersky.co.uk/products?domain=kaspersky.com (no jobs for the boys required, no fascist scum necessary)

[Niall_Quinn]

World's most dangerous terrorists exposed again. Sub human scum at the NSA and GCHQ (the same cunts who supposedly were caught by surprise by the widely pre-publicised 911 attacks) are far more afraid of you than they are of blowback from their many horrendous crimes abroad. Everything you say and do they feel they need to know about. I wonder why? Do you want this filth prying into your banking and medical and legal records? Fortunately this story is probably exaggerated, properly encrypted information is unbreakable with current technology. And in about 10-15 years there will be technologies that are impossible to break and will always be beyond the reach of these vermin. That's if the slime hasn't pulled the whole Internet down by then.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

[Nayan]

World's most dangerous terrorists exposed again. Sub human scum at the NSA and GCHQ (the same cunts who supposedly were caught by surprise by the widely pre-publicised 911 attacks) are far more afraid of you than they are of blowback from their many horrendous crimes abroad. Everything you say and do they feel they need to know about. I wonder why? Do you want this filth prying into your banking and medical and legal records? Fortunately this story is probably exaggerated, properly encrypted information is unbreakable with current technology. And in about 10-15 years there will be technologies that are impossible to break and will always be beyond the reach of these vermin. That's if the slime hasn't pulled the whole Internet down by then.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

oh please. unless youre in the arab spring or whatever you dont use use the internet for avoiding gunfire or starting a popular protest. More likely you use it for
1) wanking
2) arguing with douchebags about frivolities
3) looking at pictures of cats
4) shopping

fuck the sanctity of the interweb tbh
And dream on if you dont think anyone is snooping on everything you do already

[Letters]

the same cunts who supposedly were caught by surprise by the widely pre-publicised 911 attacks
You could have told someone if you know about it :sulk:

[GP]

9/11 woz an inside job, Chemtrails r controlling our minds, JFK killed himself, Princess Di woz murdered, my tinfoil hat is an alien device etc...

[Niall_Quinn]

oh please. unless youre in the arab spring or whatever you dont use use the internet for avoiding gunfire or starting a popular protest. More likely you use it for
1) wanking
2) arguing with douchebags about frivolities
3) looking at pictures of cats
4) shopping

fuck the sanctity of the interweb tbh
And dream on if you dont think anyone is snooping on everything you do already

Complacency is another way to go I suppose. So many have the idea the turds that work for the state are intelligent and motivated by worthy goals, despite a sea of evidence revealing how everything they touch turns to shit. Theory and principle aren't valued currencies which is a shame, but when the practical aspects of the loss of privacy emerge we're going to hear a lot of complaining. It will be too late by then. It should be instructive that even the media (FFS) are worried about where this is leading. But there remains an overwhelming (but diminishing) majority who, as you say, prefer to wank, chat, look at cats and shop. There's just no time for them to defend their own liberty, I get that.

[Niall_Quinn]

You could have told someone if you know about it :sulk:

That was a button deliberately inserted for you to press. You never let me down.

[Nayan]

Complacency is another way to go I suppose. So many have the idea the turds that work for the state are intelligent and motivated by worthy goals, despite a sea of evidence revealing how everything they touch turns to shit. Theory and principle aren't valued currencies which is a shame, but when the practical aspects of the loss of privacy emerge we're going to hear a lot of complaining. It will be too late by then. It should be instructive that even the media (FFS) are worried about where this is leading. But there remains an overwhelming (but diminishing) majority who, as you say, prefer to wank, chat, look at cats and shop. There's just no time for them to defend their own liberty, I get that.

people in the third world die for the right to vote.
people here cant be arsed voting.

NEver mind defending liberty - people dont even realise what it is.

[Niall_Quinn]

people in the third world die for the right to vote.
people here cant be arsed voting.

NEver mind defending liberty - people dont even realise what it is.

Wouldn't disagree with that conclusion. At all. But I also wouldn't confuse liberty with voting. It's the opposite surely?

[Xhaka Can’t]

people in the third world die for the right to vote.
people here cant be arsed voting.

NEver mind defending liberty - people dont even realise what it is.

Yep, people have died in order to choose between a turd sandwich and a douchebag. 'Democracy' as we have it is meaningless. My MP does not represent the views or concerns of her constituents. She votes in line with a party whip.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412709/Senators-backed-Syria-resolution-got-83-cent-defense-lobby-money.html#ixzz2e3zOywZX

[Xhaka Can’t]

Also, I'm sick of voting Nazis telling me I have to or should vote. Part of this wonderful 'liberty' I enjoy should be the right to not stick an x beside some fuckers name. If there is someone running that I feel merits a vote, I'll vote.

Right now the only motivation for me to vote is to do so tactically for some fuckwit I hate in order to stop an even bigger fuckwit getting in.

[Nayan]

Also, I'm sick of voting Nazis telling me I have to or should vote. Part of this wonderful 'liberty' I enjoy should be the right to not stick an x beside some fuckers name. If there is someone running that I feel merits a vote, I'll vote.

Right now the only motivation for me to vote is to do so tactically for some fuckwit I hate in order to stop an even bigger fuckwit getting in.

surely facists would only give you one party to choose from?
Also I'm pretty sure Aussies, despite being shit at sport are not facists. You get fined for not voting there dont you?

People shuld be able to say 'none of the above' but I think everyone should be required/incentivised to put an x somewhere, even if they end up protest voting

Not voting is tantamount to accepting whatever party ends up in power. No right to moan about the incumbents if you didnt do anything to keep them out of power

[Niall_Quinn]

surely facists would only give you one party to choose from?
Also I'm pretty sure Aussies, despite being shit at sport are not facists. You get fined for not voting there dont you?

People shuld be able to say 'none of the above' but I think everyone should be required/incentivised to put an x somewhere, even if they end up protest voting

"Required"?
"Incentivised?"

What if the only options on offer are cunts like Cameron, Clegg and Brown? What should the incentive be for endorsing these immoral fucks? A free confessional heard by Tony Blair?

[Nayan]

"Required"?
"Incentivised?"

What if the only options on offer are cunts like Cameron, Clegg and Brown? What should the incentive be for endorsing these immoral fucks? A free confessional heard by Tony Blair?

that would indeed be shit
However I did say people should have a 'none of the above' option.

And indeed compelling people to vote might be distateful for some people (ie guardian readers, for the most part). You could get more or less the same result by offering people tax rebates if they vote. Either way they find themselves better off it they put an x in the box on ballot day. same difference

[Niall_Quinn]

I did say people should have a 'none of the above' option

Not playing their game at all is far more effective than turning up to endorse it. I'm a criminal for paying tax, but at least I never gave my willing consent for any of this. Consent is huge with these bastards, btw. Low turn out frightens them. That's why they have to paint anyone with a conscience as apathetic or complacent when in fact the act of voting for a system that is quite plainly broken and immoral is just about as apathetic and complacent as you could get.

[Nayan]

low turn out allowed actual facists to get a huge propoertion of the vote in France. It should scare everyone because it opens the door to far worse than the con-dems, blairites or whoever.

And I stress, a compulsory voting ssytem would need a 'none of the above' option. The point is that forces people to express an opinioon other than staying away and - with all due respect - saying they accept and approve of whatever others who can be arsed decide/vote in for them

[Letters]

How is not turning up more effective?
People may not turn up for various reasons, they might see it as a protest, they might be apathetic. There's no way of telling.
Turning up and voting none of the above is a positive rejection of them and/or 'the system'.
I don't think they care about low turnout, most of them are in safe enough seats, why would they care?

[Xhaka Can’t]

surely facists would only give you one party to choose from?
Also I'm pretty sure Aussies, despite being shit at sport are not facists. You get fined for not voting there dont you?

People shuld be able to say 'none of the above' but I think everyone should be required/incentivised to put an x somewhere, even if they end up protest voting

Not voting is tantamount to accepting whatever party ends up in power. No right to moan about the incumbents if you didnt do anything to keep them out of power

'Required' indicates that I am not at liberty to exercise freedom not to engage what I see as either a sham or non choice. Whereas 'incentivised' strikes me as Orwellian.

Where there are low turnouts for elections, I would suggest that this demonstrates a problem with the system and it's protagonists rather than those who abstain from it.

[Nayan]

'Required' indicates that I am not at liberty to exercise freedom not to engage what I see as either a sham or non choice. Whereas 'incentivised' strikes me as Orwellian.

Where there are low turnouts for elections, I would suggest that this demonstrates a problem with the system and it's protagonists rather than those who abstain from it.

you are already incentivised via the tax system. fag tax, drink duties etc. Nobody is watching over your shoulder, making you wear a red sash or forcing you do the minute's hate

discussion on the aussie system:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23810381

[Xhaka Can’t]

you are already incentivised via the tax system. fag tax, drink duties etc. Nobody is watching over your shoulder, making you wear a red sash or forcing you do the minute's hate

Wtf are you on about?

[Nayan]

Wtf are you on about?

your orwell allusion, obviously

[Xhaka Can’t]

your orwell allusion, obviously

Not obvious at all because all context was ignored. There really is no point discussing this further with you.

[Nayan]

Not obvious at all because all context was ignored. There really is no point discussing this further with you.

certainly not if you cant keep up, indeed

[Xhaka Can’t]

certainly not if you cant keep up, indeed

When you have figured out what context means and how it assists in furthering a cogent argument, get back to me.

[Nayan]

I know whats happened.
You haven't actually, you know, read 1984 have you?

[Xhaka Can’t]

See post 29

[Nayan]

*sigh.

orwellian=> pertaining to a totalitarian society as exemplified in said author's novel '1984.' In which citizens are watched over by the state,with certain elements brainwashed into indicating their support of such state by wearing red sashes and joining in organised hatred of whatever they are told is the common enemy.

Describing use of a tax system to influence individual choice for an ostensibly sensible purpose (voter engagement, marginalisation of extremist tendencies) is (i contend) incorrect due to its incongruence with the above. Suchb use of incentives is quite commonplace, and the point of ensuring higher turnouts - even if a lot of it ends up in prtest voting - would help to make totalitarianism even more remote a scenario. THis aversion to police states is, in fact something Orwell was passionate about instilling

If that isnt cogent enough I dont know what to say. Unless of course one hadnt read the book and missed the references. And usage. And metaphor

[Letters]

In the film you get to see the lady naked :d

[Nayan]

In the film you get to see the lady naked :d

haha

[Letters]

I really should read the book. The film's pretty depressing though :(

[Nayan]

dunno. never saw it

CLockwork orange ftw (book and film)

[Niall_Quinn]

The whole electoral sham really is like arguing about what CD to play as the car goes over a cliff. I guess you either believe the political system is real and serves its stated purpose, or you see it as theatre designed for distraction, or don't give a damn either way. Take the jackboots away and the goose-stepping isn't as noisy so it doesn't wake everyone up. I choose to get out of the car even it it means I relinquish the right to choose my favourite CD. I also realise the shit's coming down on me anyway but at least I haven't stood there with my mouth open.

[Niall_Quinn]

orwellian=> pertaining to a totalitarian society as exemplified in said author's novel '1984.' In which citizens are watched over by the state,with certain elements brainwashed into indicating their support of such state by wearing red sashes and joining in organised hatred of whatever they are told is the common enemy.

Do I need to comment on this or does it speak for itself?

[Letters]

No, no. Everyone definitely is out to get you.
:hug:

[Niall_Quinn]

No, no. Everyone definitely is out to get you.
:hug:

Go back to sleep.

[MissHandbag]

I

I want to vote, don't want to vote, will vote won't vote
Actually. Used to believe not voting was lazy but apathy is a pretty good indicator more often of protest and I'd think more concerning to MP's than a wasted ballot paper