Match Reaction - Dortmund

[Dennis Bendtner]

That was unlucky. Fine margins, but they were always likely to decide some of these games. I don't see any reason why we can't claw points back in Dortmund or Naples.

Rosicky was very good.

[Xhaka Can’t]

A setback, but hardly fatal.

Will be interesting to see how they deal with this - would have been nice to have a sterner test than Palace at the weekend.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well that sucks. At least we're still top though currently. :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

It is a setback and it will be interesting to see how we deal with this.

Would be nicer to have a sterner test than Palace at the weekend as this has now become a no win game.

[Globalgunner]

Again Wenger gets schooled by better tactics. He shouldn't be in any hurry to sign that new contract

[PGFC]

Ref was shit, no balls, if Kos had made more of that flailing arm though it could have been so different, ho-hum.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Again Wenger gets schooled by better tactics. He shouldn't be in any hurry to sign that new contract

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[fakeyank]

Dont care of the loss. Let's win the PL.

GB, thanks for the ticket to today's game ;)





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[Marc Overmars]

Gutted, thought we deserved at least a draw.

Everything to play for though, we all knew this group wasn't going to be a walk in the park.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Dont care of the loss. Let's win the PL.

GB, thanks for the ticket to today's game ;)





:getcoat:

I might be the jinx here.

Got Letters two tickets for this one.

[LDG]

Gutted, thought we deserved at least a draw.

Everything to play for though, we all knew this group wasn't going to be a walk in the park.

Agreed.

On we go :scarf:

Hope we react like a wounded tiger and smash Palace to pieces on Saturday.

[Power n Glory]

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:lol:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Very unlucky, as we had those fuckers pegged back until they scored the winner against the run of play.

Nothing to be ashamed of, but our record at home against German teams is a bit worrying.

Ref was shit, something which I can never get used to.

[RomfordPele]

Played ok today, but two defensive balls-ups in a tight game is fatal - undermined all the good work unfortunately.

I don't see us getting anything in Germany which means Napoli away is potentially make or break. It just shows what a tough group this is.

[Darknight02]

You learn more about team character after a defeat.

This is a wake up call for the team that for all their great performances against the very top teams you get punished in a flash.

We were desperately unlucky not to get a draw. They were second to almost every ball in the second half. Camorra coming on changed the game for us. What balance and vision. Stunning link up plays. Thought Rosicky was brilliant and in my opinion a natural in that centre mid role. I felt this game shows Arteta as an important cog. Also let's not forget our first goal was a mistake by Ramsey.

Ozil had his poorest game for us. Struggled to get into the game.

Giroud was brilliant in my opinion and you can see towards the end he is getting tired. We are missing our pace outlet. It takes time for us to get to the other end of here pitch whereas with Dortmund they had that outlet of pace needed.

Can't help but think we miss the energy that Flamini brings and the tempo he brings.

Anyway it will help bring the team back down to Earth and re focus them.

Yes Dortmund played well but we were desperately unlucky to lose.m

[milla]

It was a well balanced game, Dortmund were just as strong as us. At the end it went down to who made the best out of opponent mistakes and they took theirs with both hands. I am confident we will qualify for the knockout stage. :coffee:

[Ollie the Optimist]

thought we deserved the win. lewandoski shouldnt have been on the pitch when he scored and no idea why ramseys goal was ruled out.


wenger wasnt schooled in tactics in either, two indivdual mistakes. ramsey for the first, and sagna for the second. no idea where he was then.

if we play like that against most sides we will win. time to move on, lots to take out of that game, like santi, arteta, rosicky and girouds performances. all were superb. luck wasnt on our side tonight

[Bumble]

Not great result and if we don't get something in Dortmund, napoli is the last game.

We will space palace but against better sides need pace in side to stretch oppo.

[milla]

We were desperately unlucky not to get a draw. They were second to almost every ball in the second half. Camorra coming on changed the game for us. What balance and vision. Stunning link up plays. Thought Rosicky was brilliant and in my opinion a natural in that centre mid role. I felt this game shows Arteta as an important cog. Also let's not forget our first goal was a mistake by Ramsey.



Rozza should start in midfield ahead of Jack IMO, he a better all rounder and comfortable playing anywhere in that forward midfield role. :coffee:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Again Wenger gets schooled by better tactics. He shouldn't be in any hurry to sign that new contract

:haha:


no

[milla]

Not great result and if we don't get something in Dortmund, napoli is the last game.

We will space palace but against better sides need pace in side to stretch oppo.

Lack of pace is definitely a problem for us. Not to mention our fullbacks are shit at crossing. :coffee:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Lack of pace is definitely a problem for us. Not to mention our fullbacks are shit at crossing. :coffee:

Came back in to lament about this.

We haven't really had any success since we gave up on players who added said pace and width.

Looking at Dortmund today, I reckon we would have put them to the sword if we had proper wide players, the kind that could deliver some proper crosses.

[RomfordPele]

Lack of pace is definitely a problem for us. Not to mention our fullbacks are shit at crossing. :coffee:

Hit and miss though he may be, we did miss Walcott today. Dortmund played a very high defensive line for most of the game, which allowed them to press us deep in our own half and give our creative players zero time on the ball. They wouldn't have been able to do that with Theo on the pitch.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Don't know if pace is necessarily always decisive. We took Napoli to school with the same set-up. Rosicky seems to have found a niche as a CL specialist. Dortmund's pressing is excellent though and they nullified Ozil in particular, who was pretty crap. In spite of this we did have openings in a tight game and it was the fine margins that cost us.

That said, good point above ^ regarding the high line.

[LDG]

Came back in to lament about this.

We haven't really had any success since we gave up on players who added said pace and width.

Looking at Dortmund today, I reckon we would have put them to the sword if we had proper wide players, the kind that could deliver some proper crosses.

There was a bit of hesitation all over at times today. Against lesser opposition, you get that split second more.

The difference tonight were a few opportunities where quicker ball was needed and didn't get that cross in, or nip that ball through in time.

That's all to do with tempo, and a bit of confidence. At times we werw trying too hard, when the simple ball would hve sufficed.

[milla]

Don't know if pace is necessarily always decisive. We took Napoli to school with the same set-up. Rosicky seems to have found a niche as a CL specialist. Dortmund's pressing is excellent though and they nullified Ozil in particular, who was pretty crap. In spite of this we did have openings in a tight game and it was the fine margins that cost us.

That said, good point above ^ regarding the high line.

Rozza is a solid player not a niche CL specialist or squddie. Even at 32 he is still better all rounder than Jack and most of PL midfielders. Let him settle with with our first eleven and we will have a very fluid attacking team. :coffee:

[Syn]

Wasn't a bad performance, but with 20 minutes to go, we easily could've held out for the point if we wanted it. Dortmund were happy to take a point. But then I think Wenger was a little naive in pushing forward so hard for the win when 7 points would've still left us in a much, much stronger position in the group. i.e. it wasn't worth the risk to turn 7 points into 9 IMO.

Still, there were still plenty of positives to take. Thought Arteta and Giroud were excellent. And Koscielny and Rosicky also did very well. Fullbacks disappointing but they had a tough time with Ozil basically playing as the second striker.

It's great that we're playing Palace next. Easy game to get back to winning ways.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We got punished for our mistakes tonight. That is what quality teams will do to you - and Dortmund have quality. That said, I don't see them getting that second with Flamini on the pitch.

Almost all the talk of the transfer window has been about Ozil, yet Flamini has almost been as instrumental to our success.

[Özim]

There would be a certain irony if this team who are clearly much better than any in the last 4-5 years didn't make it out of the group and yet those other teams did.

[Globalgunner]

Came back in to lament about this.

We haven't really had any success since we gave up on players who added said pace and width.

Looking at Dortmund today, I reckon we would have put them to the sword if we had proper wide players, the kind that could deliver some proper crosses.

Again tactics. Whenever they attacked they always outnumbered our defence. Gibbsoffers nothing attack, always going catatonic when in the opposition box. The second goal there was no fullback in sight. Your two fullback can't goal at the same time especially against strong counterattacking team

[Power n Glory]

Wasn't a bad performance, but with 20 minutes to go, we easily could've held out for the point if we wanted it. Dortmund were happy to take a point. But then I think Wenger was a little naive in pushing forward so hard for the win when 7 points would've still left us in a much, much stronger position in the group. i.e. it wasn't worth the risk to turn 7 points into 9 IMO.

Still, there were still plenty of positives to take. Thought Arteta and Giroud were excellent. And Koscielny and Rosicky also did very well. Fullbacks disappointing but they had a tough time with Ozil basically playing as the second striker.

It's great that we're playing Palace next. Easy game to get back to winning ways.

It really wasn't worth the risk. A point against Dortmund would have been a good point. We just made mistakes in that game and they punished us. Weren't a great difference between us and we weren't outclassed like before when we played them. Fine margins.

[AKBapologist]

Didn't pose enough of a threat - they scored with their only goal in the second half and via ramseys derp in the first, not because we where poor defensively (we were pretty good defensively) but because we didn't give them enough of a threat going forward.

A good left winger today would have made that a completely different game.

[Munchies]

I was fairly confident that we'd go on to win the game at HT, but we didn't do much upfront really.

Thought we did do enough to get a point, but the combination of Sahin and Bender stifled our attack in the middle. We had nothing on the wings to combat this, and as a result Ozil was anonymous as they didn't afford him any space to get on the ball.

Also with Jack, I'd like to see him rested for a while so he can get sorted out. He's going into too many challenges, dribbles too long and gets knocked and really needs to improve his injury record.

We massively missed Flamini today .

[Özil's Panoramic View]

There was a bit of hesitation all over at times today. Against lesser opposition, you get that split second more.

The difference tonight were a few opportunities where quicker ball was needed and didn't get that cross in, or nip that ball through in time.

That's all to do with tempo, and a bit of confidence. At times we werw trying too hard, when the simple ball would hve sufficed.

Agreed. They were definitely quick to the ball and at various stages seemed a pace ahead of us.

All in all, I think we showed we can play with the best. We're still a team on the rise and all that's missing IMO, is just that extra special ability to take those half chances in tight games.

Onto the next where I hope we quickly put this game behind us by smashing Palace come weekend.

#COYG :scarf:

[Dennis Bendtner]

Giroud really was bloody good again. Maybe even his best performance for us all things considered. He was winning physical battles and turning 30-70s in our favour.

[JonasTC]

I think we played a great game, despite the 2 mistakes/goals, we were never really in any danger.

Dortmund had all the luck today (especially with the ref) and that was the difference, with a fit cazorla, walcott and flamini, we wouldnt have much problem vs Dortmund, which is quite impressive considering its last years chl finalist

[milla]

That said, I don't see them getting that second with Flamini on the pitch.

Almost all the talk of the transfer window has been about Ozil, yet Flamini has almost been as instrumental to our success.

This I agree :gp:

[Syn]

It really wasn't worth the risk. A point against Dortmund would have been a good point. We just made mistakes in that game and they punished us. Weren't a great difference between us and we weren't outclassed like before when we played them. Fine margins.

Indeed. That has left us with a much bigger task now. I fancy our chances of getting a point at Napoli and our better GD to Napoli's should help. But an extra point would've left us with the upper hand on how to approach games.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Also getting exasperated with the bot refs in the CL who seem to add 3 minutes stoppage time no matter what. There could be 100 streakers and they still wouldn't budge on that figure.

[BOBN]

Hes had a great overall impact but im still waiting for a £40m game from Ozil, but I reserve judgement until he is properly facilitated with runners. Bergkamp admitted Ljungberg, Anelka, Overmars, Henry etc were key to his game as they could run off the ball so same here.

The first goal was down to arrogance, im hoping this at least makes them a little more grounded.

[Penguin]

I'm really disappointed at the goals we conceded. The first was a schoolboy error and the second we just committed too many players forward and got caught out. Gibbs and/or Kos could've done better in that counter attack too, but Dortmund had a man advantage so you can't be too critical. The annoying thing was that we actually defended very well aside from those two occasions. Chesney barely had a save to make all game, Reus and Lewandowski were limited to long shots that didn't get close.

Lots of positives out of that game I thought. Mert-Kos were fantastic. Arteta also did a great job, tackling, closing down and passing the ball intelligently. Surprisingly we didn't miss Flamini at all. Rosicky was very good all game and Ozil came alive in the second half. Giroud was outstanding, he was winning almost everything played to him and carved out some opportunities for us by never giving up on a single pass.

Finally, Santi's back! :cloud9:
Cazorla made a HUGE difference when he came on. What an important player he is. I hope he stays fit for the rest of the season.

[Master Splinter]

Little bit harsh result.

Not a completely satisfactory performance in terms of intensity and overall rhythm, but after the first 20 minutes or so, we played well and were mostly on top. The lesson to be learned is obviously to make sure you take your chances in the periods of domination. And don't makes stupid mistakes outside your box against super quality teams. I don't think Dortmund had a supremely effective master plan that outwitted us, they just took both chances they had. Sczesny didn't even make a save that I can recall. Neither did Weidenfeller tbf. We had them on the ropes for a bit and didn't kill them off. If we had shown that intensity for longer periods, it might have earned a better result. Just need to get at them from the off in the return leg. We should have more space as they'll attack more and we're generally more compact away from home.

Giroud was excellent again, especially in the first half.

Arteta was really good. Tackled well, passed well and looked back to his best. The result had nothing to with Flamini missing the game. Arteta gave a nearly flawless performance in the deeper role.

The fullbacks were good, aside from their crossing.

Koscielny bossed Lewandowski. Shame he had the last laugh.

Cazorla brilliant when he came on.

Ozil was largely poor tonight. Sloppy and invisible for a lot of the game. Wilshere's bad habits crept back in after a good game at the weekend.

Nothing too worrying. We're more than capable of getting the results needed. Would be useful to have a couple of injured players back going into the tough block of fixtures though.

Also, the ref was awlful.

[Syn]

Arteta was really good. Tackled well, passed well and looked back to his best. The result had nothing to with Flamini missing the game. Arteta gave a nearly flawless performance in the deeper role.

If Flamini was available, Wenger definitely would've gone for Flamini-Arteta holding as against Napoli. Then maybe for the first goal we conceded, he's passing it forward from the deeper position instead of trying to casually run it out like Ramsey tried, and maybe he would've been in the right place to stop the counter unlike Ramsey. Against 17 teams in the league, playing Ramsey in the deeper position works because they're already on the backfoot and won't look to press us in our own area like Dortmund tried. But against teams like Dortmund and Barcelona, we need better shape. In that sense we did miss Flamini, but Arteta did have a monster game.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

to be honest as the game wore on i thought we were coping well without Flamini and actually Arteta who started poorly grew into the game as did many of his team mates, i think with aubemeyang, groskreutz (who is actually a striker playing full back), reus and lewandowski we always ran the risk of being caught cold when we went for the kill.
And that was the problem....as much as Giroud played well this evening we don't have a striker with killer instinct who could have put us in front when we turned the screw and that was the difference tonight...i think a draw would have been a fair result....no way in hell we deserved to lose and Lewandowski shouldn't have even been on the pitch.

[Letters]

Balls. First half was fairly even, bit lucky with our goal as it was a bad mistake from their 'keeper. Annoyed at the goal we conceded, trying too much in defence for the bazillionth time.
Second half I felt we were bossing it, their goal was against the run of play.
Not a great game, not a great performance from us but not a bad one

In brief, I blame Gary.

[Tipsychubbs]

We needed more intelligent attacking movement in close support of the ball carrier and finding space. This would have countered their pressing and organizational positioning. The team were lethargic in terms of movement and to use an old wenger cliche, lacking sharpness and cohesion for a lot of the game. It improved a bit once Cazorla came on and we had some pressure on their goal before the sucker punch.

Lacking width was also a problem and we missed walcott.

Arteta, Rosicky, Cazorla, looked fresher than the rest, maybe cos they've been injured and not played too many games recently?

[fakeyank]

In brief, I blame Gary.

:gp:

So, I can come back now..

[Alpha]

I was gutted for this defeat but all these comments lift me up . It is very encouraging when people make some positive comments after a disappointing result . It is just one of those days . Nothing is lost yet . Come on gunners .

[PGFC]

:gp:

So, I can come back now..

No.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We win 15,000 games on Sky and the one time we're on free view in front of the whole nation we lose. Fucking cunts.

[Penguin]

I'm glad we're playing Palace this weekend. We need to bounce back straight away and forget about this result.

[AFC Leveller]

Dortmund started much better than us and that set the tempo for the first half. I thought we just stod off them and waited to see what they could do instead of actually going for it like we did against Napoli. Arteta kept passing it to one of the CBs instead of forward and resorted to short passes to the back all game which made Dortmund comfortable and played into their game plan. I have to say the way the press high up the pitch is fantastic and we didnt have an answer to it. yesterday was ideal for Theo as Dortmund pressed us and left plenty of space in behind (knowing we had no real pace). we lacked an outlet.

2nd half, esp towards the last 20 minutes we seemed to take the game to them and the introduction of Cazorla was timely as Jack was shite.

I think we're more dangerous away from home this season and i can see us getting a result at their place.

[selassie]

We have left ourselves a hell of a lot to do to get out of this group. Last nights defeat could prove very damaging if we don't get a result over at Dortmund or Napoli.

I felt they played us off the park in the first 15 mins or so, the passing and movement from them was of a very high level and we couldn't match them.

Once we settled down we caused them a few problems in the first half but it was a very "huff and puff" type performance IMHO.

Once we introduced Santi in the 2nd half it made a huge difference and for 15mins or so we were completely on top. It's extremely disappointing that we didn't grab a 2nd goal and extremely disappointing that we conceded a late goal but that is what separates the good teams from the great teams.

Still plenty of work to be done to get out of this group, if we can grab a point in Dortmund, and win the 2 remaining games against Marseille and Napoli then we should qualify. To end up group winners we're going to need to win our 3 remaining games which is too much of an ask IMHO.

[Marc Overmars]

We just need to avoid defeat in Dortmund, then things will look relatively straight forward again.

[selassie]

We just need to avoid defeat in Dortmund, then things will look relatively straight forward again.

Yeah I agree, though I am not confident that we can. I think a lot of people underestimated Dortmund prior to last nights game, they are an elite CL club IMHO, they are better than us.

We are going to need to put in a really BIG performance to get anything out there.

[Nayan]

bayern munich shat on us 3-1 then we went there and did them 2-0, so its quite possible.
that said I think dortmund will win the group and our progress is down to how we do relative to napoli

As for last night - we have no width and didnt create enough. Shame cazorla only hit the woodwork and we conceded soft goals. Nothing to panic about though - we didnt look shit at all. Best to learn the lessons and move on. THis season is more about the league anyway

[Özim]

We have left ourselves a hell of a lot to do to get out of this group. Last nights defeat could prove very damaging if we don't get a result over at Dortmund or Napoli.

I felt they played us off the park in the first 15 mins or so, the passing and movement from them was of a very high level and we couldn't match them.

Once we settled down we caused them a few problems in the first half but it was a very "huff and puff" type performance IMHO.

Once we introduced Santi in the 2nd half it made a huge difference and for 15mins or so we were completely on top. It's extremely disappointing that we didn't grab a 2nd goal and extremely disappointing that we conceded a late goal but that is what separates the good teams from the great teams.

Still plenty of work to be done to get out of this group, if we can grab a point in Dortmund, and win the 2 remaining games against Marseille and Napoli then we should qualify. To end up group winners we're going to need to win our 3 remaining games which is too much of an ask IMHO.

Pretty much agree with this, felt that Dortmund controlled the game until Cazorla came on in the 2nd half though, at one point although they didn't create a huge amount, they'd get the ball try and create we'd clear and they would do the same thing again, this went on for quite a while we could barely get a touch.

Yesterday was a really bad result, we've gone from controlling this group to it now being touch and go as to whether we qualify, based on last night's showing I don't fancy our chances in Dortmund where they will be even stronger so we'll need to go to Napoli and get a result. Napoli were very poor at the Emirates but at home they are suppose to be much stronger and do have some quality players.

Wenger wasn't happy after the game and you can understand why, Dortmund imposed their game on us and really stopped us playing through some great pressing, think we lacked some quality up front if I'm honest, someone who could really trouble their defence. Cazorla was great though, he made a big impact and was really happy to see Wilshire hauled off after another ineffective performance from him where he looked likely to give the ball away in a dangerous area.

[Özim]

bayern munich shat on us 3-1 then we went there and did them 2-0, so its quite possible.
that said I think dortmund will win the group and our progress is down to how we do relative to napoli

As for last night - we have no width and didnt create enough. Shame cazorla only hit the woodwork and we conceded soft goals. Nothing to panic about though - we didnt look shit at all. Best to learn the lessons and move on. THis season is more about the league anyway

That was an odd tie, Bayern did all the hard work away and didn't turn up at home, it's almost like they thought it was won, it won't be the case with Dortmund as it's all to play for.

Had Bayern played like they can on the day they've have beaten us comfortably as they were a far superior team.

[Özim]

We just need to avoid defeat in Dortmund, then things will look relatively straight forward again.

This is a tough task IMO, Dortmund were away yesterday and really kept us quiet for large periods and had a large amount of possession thanks to their pressing game, at home you'd have thought they'd be more potent going forward.

[LDG]

Yeah I agree, though I am not confident that we can. I think a lot of people underestimated Dortmund prior to last nights game, they are an elite CL club IMHO, they are better than us.

We are going to need to put in a really BIG performance to get anything out there.

We only need a win and a draw really :shrug:

Something mental would have to happen in place of that to see us miss out.

[LDG]

Pretty much agree with this, felt that Dortmund controlled the game until Cazorla came on in the 2nd half though, at one point although they didn't create a huge amount, they'd get the ball try and create we'd clear and they would do the same thing again, this went on for quite a while we could barely get a touch.

Yesterday was a really bad result, we've gone from controlling this group to it now being touch and go as to whether we qualify, based on last night's showing I don't fancy our chances in Dortmund where they will be even stronger so we'll need to go to Napoli and get a result. Napoli were very poor at the Emirates but at home they are suppose to be much stronger and do have some quality players.

Wenger wasn't happy after the game and you can understand why, Dortmund imposed their game on us and really stopped us playing through some great pressing, think we lacked some quality up front if I'm honest, someone who could really trouble their defence. Cazorla was great though, he made a big impact and was really happy to see Wilshire hauled off after another ineffective performance from him where he looked likely to give the ball away in a dangerous area.

In any neutral's eyes, we were easily worth of a draw last night.

[LDG]

Dotmund are a very good side, You would expect it to be a difficult match.

In fact, that you can lay the blame at our door for not holding the point, means that we have come on leaps and bounds from last year.

Aside from his goal, Lewandoski was anonymous, and Kos/Mert had him in their pockets all night.

I just don't understand all this utter bollocks about Dortmund controlling the show, when that clearly wasn't the case. They're just a good team, who competed well.

Both teams had good spells in the game, and the sucker punch just happened to fall to them, as it has done for us many times before.

Can we play better? Hell yeah.

Does that show that we can't compete with one of the best sides in Europe? You're having a fucking laugh if you think we were bossed. Seriously.

[Özim]

In any neutral's eyes, we were easily worth of a draw last night.

Maybe, I only saw the tail end of the 1st half, but in the 2nd half until Cazorla was brought it were struggled to get out of our half at times, being the home side I kinda expected better than that.

Cazorla definitely made a big difference though.

We do only need a win and a draw, however the draw we need is from the two tough away games against two sides who are very strong at home and who also have quality players. Really we needed to make sure we got a draw last night, home games are where you need to make sure you grab points as those are always easier.

[LDG]

This is the most you've posted all season.

[Özim]

There's not a huge amount to say when you're winning, other than great goal, great performance and pointing out how well a player has done which I have in other threads.

[Letters]

Dotmund are a very good side, You would expect it to be a difficult match.

In fact, that you can lay the blame at our door for not holding the point, means that we have come on leaps and bounds from last year.

Aside from his goal, Lewandoski was anonymous, and Kos/Mert had him in their pockets all night.

I just don't understand all this utter bollocks about Dortmund controlling the show, when that clearly wasn't the case. They're just a good team, who competed well.

Both teams had good spells in the game, and the sucker punch just happened to fall to them, as it has done for us many times before.

Can we play better? Hell yeah.

Does that show that we can't compete with one of the best sides in Europe? You're having a fucking laugh if you think we were bossed. Seriously.

Pretty much. 1st half it was pretty even, I felt we were good value for 1-1 at half time. 2nd half I thought we were the better side, we smacked the bar/post after an excellent move which tore Dortmund apart. We then got caught by a sucker punch break-away. Fine lines.
Dortmund were finalists last year, they're no mugs and we were never going to hammer them. We can play better but last year they'd have taken us apart, they didn't last night at all.

[Letters]

There's not a huge amount to say when you're winning, other than great goal, great performance and pointing out how well a player has done which I have in other threads.
There's not a huge amount negative to say.

[LDG]

There's not a huge amount negative to say.

:gp:

[Özim]

There's not a huge amount negative to say.

Maybe but you'll find you get a better debate then when everyone is going, wasn't it a great performance, yes it was and didn't this player play well, differing opinions create discussion and if we've won and played well there's not a huge amount to talk about once you've talked about how well we've played and praised all those who played well.

If I'm honest when we win there's a lot less posts and there's not a huge amount talked about so it does get a bit boring on here.

[BOBN]

Before the game anybody could see 2 draws against these would have been fine. It was childish the way we pushed forward for the win.

[Letters]

It's hardly childish to try and push for a win in a big game. It's what I'd expect any big team with pretensions of competing at the top level to do.

[Özim]

It's hardly childish to try and push for a win in a big game. It's what I'd expect any big team with pretensions of competing at the top level to do.

Wenger himself said that it was naive and that we lacked maturity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24630557

[LDG]

Tbf, I thought we had them pinned back....and I was willing them on for the win....but yeah, we were niave to leave ourselves open like that.

I keep thinking back to that ball that was on for Ozil, where Cazorla (of all people) didn't spot it. I was like :banghead:

We should really have been in front by the time they scored.

Oh well.

On we go :scarf:

[Letters]

Wenger himself said that it was naive and that we lacked maturity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24630557

You spent every waking hour dismissing everything he says as bullshit, then when it suits you, you go quoting him...

[Power n Glory]

We were naive. It’s disappointing to come away with nothing from this game. But we move on.

[LDG]

You spent every waking hour dismissing everything he says as bullshit, then when it suits you, you go quoting him...

:lol:

[Letters]

Maybe we did overdo it, it is naive to get caught out on the break late in the game, but I would expect a top side to push for the win at home.

[Özim]

You spent every waking hour dismissing everything he says as bullshit, then when it suits you, you go quoting him...

He never criticises his team and thus when he does it's got to be because he's really annoyed and being honest about it, why else would he criticise them?

His other comments are usually all the same regardless of performance (boy who cried wolf and all that), so it's refreshing to hear him being honest.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH-sw4A6nu8

Spot on. Arteta lacked leadership and organisation skills to get the team going. Flamini is superb at that.

No coincidence as soon as Flamini is out we lose.

At least that settles that debate.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH-sw4A6nu8

Spot on. Arteta lacked leadership and organisation skills to get the team going. Flamini is superb at that.

No coincidence as soon as Flamini is out we lose.

At least that settles that debate.

Pretty harsh to lay it all on Arteta. I'm not his biggest fan but I wouldn't say he's the worst player. You have to take these comments with a pinch of salt. Play Ramsey as a DM? He's the reason we went a goal down so wouldn't want him playing in a deeper role. It wouldn't have been wise to tell him to hold since he's been one of our best attackers.

Our fullbacks were off today. No point in bombing forwards if you keep putting in tame crosses. Both were caught out for the 2nd goal.

Ramsey, Wilshere and Ozil struggled. Not their best games at all.

But it's Dortmund. I'll be more worried if we struggle over the weekend.

[Nayan]

That was an odd tie, Bayern did all the hard work away and didn't turn up at home, it's almost like they thought it was won, it won't be the case with Dortmund as it's all to play for.

Had Bayern played like they can on the day they've have beaten us comfortably as they were a far superior team.

It was an away win and shutout over 90 minutes at the business end of the chammions league versus the best team in europe and eventual champions that season. You cant dismiss it as 'an odd result.'
Well you can, if you want to be deliberately disingenuous I suppose. ANyway the point was only that it shows its quite possible that Arsenal 'on their day,' 'when all's said and done,' and 'at the end of the day,' to visit the ground of a decent European team and prevail over 90 minutes, - whether one is idiotic enough to try to 'explain' it away as an odd result or not is of no fucking relevance whatsoever.

thank you.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Ozil will not play anywhere near his best till he has runners to unleash killer balls to. ATM, we're just too narrow, and yesterday we even had him playing as a right winger. Can't stress how much we're missing Walcott, despite him being prone to putting in erratic performances at times.

Wilshere was poor, but the real shocker was Ramsey. He seemed a bit too confident yesterday, as if he didn't realise we weren't up against the usual dross in the EPL. He seems to be a lad who is open to learning and correcting his flaws though, so here's to hoping he won't take same approach against top teams again.

[BOBN]

Ozil will not play anywhere near his best till he has runners to unleash killer balls to. ATM, we're just too narrow, and yesterday we even had him playing as a right winger. Can't stress how much we're missing Walcott, despite him being prone to putting in erratic performances at times.

Wilshere was poor, but the real shocker was Ramsey. He seemed a bit too confident yesterday, as if he didn't realise we weren't up against the usual dross in the EPL. He seems to be a lad who is open to learning and correcting his flaws though, so here's to hoping he won't take same approach against top teams again.
Top post.

[Özim]

It was an away win and shutout over 90 minutes at the business end of the chammions league versus the best team in europe and eventual champions that season. You cant dismiss it as 'an odd result.'
Well you can, if you want to be deliberately disingenuous I suppose. ANyway the point was only that it shows its quite possible that Arsenal 'on their day,' 'when all's said and done,' and 'at the end of the day,' to visit the ground of a decent European team and prevail over 90 minutes, - whether one is idiotic enough to try to 'explain' it away as an odd result or not is of no fucking relevance whatsoever.

thank you.

You can because they simply didn't play, we didn't win because we played particularly well or were a better side but just because it's almost like they played it like a training match. I don't look at that result and think what a great performance and win, if Bayern had played they'd have beaten us even if we had been on our day as they were far superior to us.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Bullshit. That is conjecture. We beat them and towards the end of the match, they were hanging on for their CL lives.

[JonasTC]

You can because they simply didn't play, we didn't win because we played particularly well or were a better side but just because it's almost like they played it like a training match. I don't look at that result and think what a great performance and win, if Bayern had played they'd have beaten us even if we had been on our day as they were far superior to us.

Stop yourself pls... Did they play a "training match" after they had won 4-0 home vs barca and went to camp nou and won 3-0?

We're still the only team that have beaten them in 2013, so you can throw all your arguments out of the window.

[Özim]

Bullshit. That is conjecture. We beat them and towards the end of the match, they were hanging on for their CL lives.
Yeah, no not really they never looked like they were going out, at 2-0 I don't think we even had a shot.

They just didn't turn up, they commented on it recently saying it was a very odd match and it was, didn't feel like a competitive CL match.

[Özim]

Stop yourself pls... Did they play a "training match" after they had won 4-0 home vs barca and went to camp nou and won 3-0?

We're still the only team that have beaten them in 2013, so you can throw all your arguments out of the window.

Maybe they took Barca more seriously, after all Barca had already turned around a big deficit in a previous tie.

[milla]

:haha:

[Letters]

Yeah, no not really they never looked like they were going out, at 2-0 I don't think we even had a shot.
We only got the 2nd goal on 86 minutes :rolleyes:


I don't look at that result and think what a great performance and win

Of course not, that would mean giving us some credit.

[Özim]

We only got the 2nd goal on 86 minutes :rolleyes:



Of course not, that would mean giving us some credit.

We were a sh*t side last season so no credit deserved, fortunately we've improved a lot this season, that's what spending a bit of money on quality does though.

[Penguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH-sw4A6nu8

Spot on. Arteta lacked leadership and organisation skills to get the team going. Flamini is superb at that.

No coincidence as soon as Flamini is out we lose.

At least that settles that debate.

Arteta was one of our better players last night.

[Nayan]

Yeah, no not really they never looked like they were going out, at 2-0 I don't think we even had a shot.

They just didn't turn up, they commented on it recently saying it was a very odd match and it was, didn't feel like a competitive CL match.

it was a full KO champions league match. Whether you think Bayern Munich 'turned up' or were tottenham in disguise, or whether they looked, felt, smelt, tasted or provoked some other sensory perception on your part to the effect they were never exiting the competition is irrelevant. Arsenal played away in the champions league against a major team and in a pressurised situation and won a match over 90minutes plus stoppage time. Ergo they are both in theory and empirically capable of doing so again. QED.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yeah, no not really they never looked like they were going out, at 2-0 I don't think we even had a shot.

They just didn't turn up, they commented on it recently saying it was a very odd match and it was, didn't feel like a competitive CL match.

A team that gave up a two goal lead to eventually hang on scraping through on away goals never looked like going out?

Have a word with yourself.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Maybe they took Barca more seriously, after all Barca had already turned around a big deficit in a previous tie.

More conjecture based on nothing but bias from a guy we've seen next to bugger all of since the Villa match.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXSeMpwCEAAJmLH.jpg

Dortmund fans smashed up the stands :doh:

[Özim]

A team that gave up a two goal lead to eventually hang on scraping through on away goals never looked like going out?

Have a word with yourself.

Yeah they were hardly hanging on, like I said we never even had a shot after going 2-0 up did we.

People can be as deluded as they like about this result, but it wasn't representative of the quality of the teams, I don't take it seriously as I know they were in a different league to us, good result, but in reality pointless result.

[Özim]

More conjecture based on nothing but bias from a guy we've seen next to bugger all of since the Villa match.

Hardly, Barca had already made a great comeback so it's very feasible Bayern felt they had to be up for this, Barca after all have swept all aside all that's been put in front of them in recent times. We on the other hand have been a joke in European circles, a team who bottle it when it matters and never win a thing but play pretty football, a tram incapable of winning a knockout tie against top opposition.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yeah they were hardly hanging on, like I said we never even had a shot after going 2-0 up did we.

People can be as deluded as they like about this result, but it wasn't representative of the quality of the teams, I don't take it seriously as I know they were in a different league to us, good result, but in reality pointless result.

There is nothing deluded about seeing exactly what happened. Bayern made it through on a technicality - the slimmest margin possible as they cowered to corner flags desperately wasting as much tme as they could. Barca were subsequently murdered in both legs.

That 'pointless result' has been followed by some of the best and most prolonged set of good results this Club has seen in many years. And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

[Master Splinter]

Why.

Do.

You.

Bother.

?

[Letters]

Yeah they were hardly hanging on, like I said we never even had a shot after going 2-0 up did we.
No. In the few minutes left, we didn't. It's not like we got the 2nd goal at 70 minutes and then failed to push on, it was late in the game.

[GP]

http://i.imgur.com/yGKpYYF.gif

[Tipsychubbs]

Arteta was one of our better players last night.

Arteta made 11 tackles I hear somewhere.

[Özim]

Why.

Do.

You.

Bother.

?

I.

Don't.

Know.

[Özim]

There is nothing deluded about seeing exactly what happened. Bayern made it through on a technicality - the slimmest margin possible as they cowered to corner flags desperately wasting as much tme as they could. Barca were subsequently murdered in both legs.

That 'pointless result' has been followed by some of the best and most prolonged set of good results this Club has seen in many years. And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

There is when one side clearly didn't turn up, thus to believe that it was somehow some amazing performance and result is stretching the truth to say the least. Against Barca they were on their game, just like in the 1st leg against us when they put us to the sword at home. The 2nd leg display was puzzling to say the least, it was as if they were playing a training match.

The run this season has nothing to do with last season, player's form is not something that continues when you've had 2-3 months without a game, a new season is a new start and often you finish one season on a winning run and start the next with some poor results. We've started very well but that has nothing to do with the end of last season (in fact we lost our 1st game this season), it's more to do with Ozil and the buzz signing top players creates.

I've posted but as I said before, this place is boring when we win, there's no discussion it's just a succession of posts of how we've played well and how this and that player has been great, it's not condusive to discussion....you post your opinion on the result, praise a few players and then get on with your day.

Poor results/performances give you something to talk about and discuss, or in the case of some posters come out with sarcastic sh*t about.

[Power n Glory]

Arteta made 11 tackles I hear somewhere.

He won 11 out of 12 tackles! 8 ball recoveries and was our top passer with 80/88 passes. Kos and Merts were 2nd and 3rd! Our midfield weren't up to par.

Ozil made the most final third passes. 19/23. Sagna was second for us. 15/23. Rosicky third. 12/19.

Wilshire was poor.
Passes 13/20
Final 3rd passes 4/9
Take ons 1/6 - The amount of unsuccessful dribbles is getting on my nerves. He's top of the pile with attempted dribbles for both teams.
Tackles - 0/1

[Xhaka Can’t]

No one called it an amazing performance.
There was nothing puzzling.
Bayern were not playing a training match - it was an ECL knockout match.
The sequence of results started following that match and has subsequently continued into this season.
It is a sequence of results (including losses) that has not been bettered by any club in this country during the same timeframe.
You are nowhere to be seen when we win - but its 'happy days are here again' for you when we don't.
Just about every point you have made in this thread has been conjecture based upon whatever it is that goes on inside your head.
You place more weight on conjecture than on facts.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Arteta made 11 tackles I hear somewhere.

All 11 probably tackling the shadow.

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/9/98/Gladiators_shadow_arms.jpg

[Master Splinter]

Shadow.

Nightshade.

Blacky.

Gladiators was well racist.

[Özim]

No one called it an amazing performance.
There was nothing puzzling.
Bayern were not playing a training match - it was an ECL knockout match.
The sequence of results started following that match and has subsequently continued into this season.
It is a sequence of results (including losses) that has not been bettered by any club in this country during the same timeframe.
You are nowhere to be seen when we win - but its 'happy days are here again' for you when we don't.
Just about every point you have made in this thread has been conjecture based upon whatever it is that goes on inside your head.
You place more weight on conjecture than on facts.

Really, it must have been to beat the now European Champions if they did turn up and play as you seem to think.

Actually not true, Nial Quinn (the former footballer) I believe said it was a strange match, it's not just me, in fact anyone watching could see that in reality Bayern really didn't perform, after the 1st leg it's almost like they didn't know how to play it, in their heads it was almost like it was already won.

Yes I know, but they didn't play it like it was, there was no intensity in their performance.

Like I said this season and last are totally unrelated, we lost to Villa at the start of the season and that has nothing to do with the form last season.

BS and let me prove it:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

There's some posts from me, but as I said earlier and you conveniently ignored, when we win there's no discussion just a succession of posts praising a good results and the players, there's no discussion and it gets tedious once you've posted your view, I don't expect you to understand though as you display such narrowmindedness at times it would be impossible to make you understand an alternative viewpoint.

No it isn't it just that you are so biased against me you can only see one view, the one that exists inside YOUR head.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/9/98/Gladiators_shadow_arms.jpg

Sagna :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Really, it must have been to beat the now European Champions if they did turn up and play as you seem to think.

Actually not true, Nial Quinn (the former footballer) I believe said it was a strange match, it's not just me, in fact anyone watching could see that in reality Bayern really didn't perform, after the 1st leg it's almost like they didn't know how to play it, in their heads it was almost like it was already won.

Yes I know, but they didn't play it like it was, there was no intensity in their performance.

Like I said this season and last are totally unrelated, we lost to Villa at the start of the season and that has nothing to do with the form last season.

BS and let me prove it:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=119

There's some posts from me, but as I said earlier and you conveniently ignored, when we win there's no discussion just a succession of posts praising a good results and the players, there's no discussion and it gets tedious once you've posted your view.

No it isn't it just that you are so biased against me you can only see one view, the one that exists inside YOUR head.

I don't know why you need me to explain what a sequence of results means - but here goes - it includes ALL results, including losses. Since that game, the sequence (including losses) has been amongst the best sequences we have enjoyed for years, and no English club has matched our run over the same period.

I'm presenting facts - you know, things that actually happened. You are dealing in conjecture and treating that as fact.

[Özim]

I don't know why you need me to explain what a sequence of results means - but here goes - it includes ALL results, including losses. Since that game, the sequence (including losses) has been amongst the best sequences we have enjoyed for years, and no English club has matched our run over the same period.

I'm presenting facts - you know, things that actually happened you are dealing in conjecture and treating that as fact.

Let me give you another fact then, those results have actually won us nothing.

Here's another too, last seasons games don't count for anything this season.

There are some facts.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Let me give you another fact then, those results have actually won us nothing.

Here's another too, last seasons games don't count for anything this season.

There are some facts.

They are facts that bear no relation to the point being discussed.

Another fact is that you have no peers at doing just that.

[Özim]

They are facts that bear no relation to the point being discussed.

Another fact is that you have no peers at doing just that.

They completely do, you're talking about a run of results over two different seasons, I'm effectively pointing out two seasons aren't related and that the run is pretty meaningless in football terms because it's neither brought us success and last season's games won't bring us success this season.

I'd rather win a trophy than see a sequence of good results running from the tail end of one season to the beginning of another.

You can ignore this if it suits you though.

[Xhaka Can’t]

They completely do, you're talking about a run of results over two different seasons, I'm effectively pointing out two seasons aren't related and that the run is pretty meaningless in football terms because it's neither brought us success and last season's games won't bring us success this season.

I'd rather win a trophy than see a sequence of good results running from the tail end of one season to the beginning of another.

No one anywhere claimed last seaons results played any part in success this season - they are part of a sequence of results. But as you cannot defend your stance over the Bayern game, you've moved on to your classic tactic of employing a straw man argument.

[Özim]

No one anywhere claimed last seaons results played any part in success this season - they are part of a sequence of results. But as you cannot defend your stance over the Bayern game, you've moved on to your classic tactic of employing a straw man argument.

There's nothing to defend, we won and went out, so we lost the tie which is played over two games (even thought Bayern didn't show up in the 2nd leg).

Can't be clearer than that really, the win was meaningless in every sense.

[LDG]

Let me give you another fact then, those results have actually won us nothing.

Here's another too, last seasons games don't count for anything .

I beg to disagree.

Those results mean we're playing Champions League football this year, rather than on Thursday nights with them cunts down the road.

Shit facts you have.

[LDG]

There's nothing to defend, we won and went out, so we lost the tie which is played over two games (even thought Bayern didn't show up in the 2nd leg).

Can't be clearer than that really, the win was meaningless in every sense.

Basically what you are saying, is that every win is meaningless, unless the end result is a trophy.

I seriously don't understand why you even bother watching football at all.

It would be better for all concerned if you didn't tbf.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Basically what you are saying, is that every win is meaningless, unless the end result is a trophy.

I seriously don't understand why you even bother watching football at all.

It would be better for all concerned if you didn't tbf.

You must have had a crap time last week.

Yet ANOTHER Saturday without a trophy.

Thank fuck I was in Huddersfield.

[Özim]

You must have had a crap time last week.

Yet ANOTHER Saturday without a trophy.

Thank fuck I was in Huddersfield.

As you can see from the posts I pointed out to you from Saturday and Sunday which you conveniently ignored once I pulled you up on your claim that I don't post when we win, yes I had a really terrible time.

[Letters]

yes I had a really terrible time.
Post after post praising the players, no-one moaning about Wenger. It was awful wasn't it?
Still, at least we had a nice loss on Tuesday for you to moan about. Hopefully we'll get a poor result at the weekend for you.

[Xhaka Can’t]

As you can see from the posts I pointed out to you from Saturday and Sunday which you conveniently ignored once I pulled you up on your claim that I don't post when we win, yes I had a really terrible time.

You'll find plenty of material where I comment on the frequency of posting.

But moving goalposts and pulling people up on claims they never made to hide from the deficiencies in your own arguments (conjecture) is more your forte.

[Dein-machine]

There's nothing to defend, we won and went out, so we lost the tie which is played over two games (even thought Bayern didn't show up in the 2nd leg).

Can't be clearer than that really, the win was meaningless in every sense.

How can a victory against the best club team in World football & at their stadium be meaningless? - maybe if they played their reserves which they didn't. For all our players but especially the younger guys it would have made them feel ten feet tall & results like that will be part of the reason why we have a new improved Aaron Ramsey.

[Letters]

How can a victory against the best club team in World football & at their stadium be meaningless?
Dein-machine, meet Zim.
Zim, Dein-machine.

Have fun :tiphat:

[Xhaka Can’t]

:lol:

[GP]

You're all bullies.

[Özim]

Post after post praising the players, no-one moaning about Wenger. It was awful wasn't it?
Still, at least we had a nice loss on Tuesday for you to moan about. Hopefully we'll get a poor result at the weekend for you.

Yes truly awful, yes hopefully we'll lose every game left this season then I can live a happy life and you can can keep whining about me.

[Özim]

You'll find plenty of material where I comment on the frequency of posting.

But moving goalposts and pulling people up on claims they never made to hide from the deficiencies in your own arguments (conjecture) is more your forte.

So what, like I've said I don't post as much when we win see my previous explanation as to why.

I'm not moving goalposts it's just one of those ridiculous accusations people like you bring up constantly because they can't bare the possibility that I might be right.

I've shown you up, you can't handle it so you're changing subject, this after ignoring my explanation and the proof I post after wins, well done :good:

[Özim]

How can a victory against the best club team in World football & at their stadium be meaningless? - maybe if they played their reserves which they didn't. For all our players but especially the younger guys it would have made them feel ten feet tall & results like that will be part of the reason why we have a new improved Aaron Ramsey.

It's meaningless because it meant nothing, we didn't win the tie and we won nothing last season and our performances after that game weren't all that great either, even if we did win a few games.

It's had no impact on this season either.

[LDG]

It's meaningless because it meant nothing, we didn't win the tie and we won nothing last season and our performances after that game weren't all that great either, even if we did win a few games.

It's had no impact on this season either.

It DID! :doh:

Our performances after that meant that we qualified for the Champs League, as you have conveniently skirted past in my last post on the subject.

We wouldn't even be talking about a defeat to Dortmund this week, or the exhillirating victory v's Napoli, if it wasn't for the back end of last season, and those "meaningless results".

It means NOTHING to YOU. And that, is why people are wondering why you only post MORE, when we LOSE :doh:

[Syn]

https://global3.memecdn.com/fishing-for-attention_o_1554355.webp

[Letters]

It's meaningless because it meant nothing
:haha:

[Özim]

It DID! :doh:

Our performances after that meant that we qualified for the Champs League, as you have conveniently skirted past in my last post on the subject.

We wouldn't even be talking about a defeat to Dortmund this week, or the exhillirating victory v's Napoli, if it wasn't for the back end of last season, and those "meaningless results".

It means NOTHING to YOU. And that, is why people are wondering why you only post MORE, when we LOSE :doh:

After that game our performances weren't that great to be honest, yes we won some games but we weren't convincing and didn't play that well thus I'm not sure that game gave the players that much confidence.

We also lost the tie which in the grand scheme of things is what mattered, so essentially in the big picture of things it was a defeat.

Again I've explained why I post more when we lose, when we win you post your opinion and there's very little discussion, I find that boring and that's the reason there's less people posting.

[Özim]

:haha:

I can't help it, I'm too funny for my own good sometimes, I'm a natural entertainer :lol:

[LDG]

I wish I could post the sound of a fart.

[JonasTC]

I wish I could post the sound of a fart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmIuXyiEzCE

[Xhaka Can’t]

So what, like I've said I don't post as much when we win see my previous explanation as to why.

I'm not moving goalposts it's just one of those ridiculous accusations people like you bring up constantly because they can't bare the possibility that I might be right.

I've shown you up, you can't handle it so you're changing subject, this after ignoring my explanation and the proof I post after wins, well done :good:

You've constantly changed the subject. The subject was the result of the Bayern tie and your BS conjecture. Do you see anything at all in relation to that in the post I've quoted?

Additionally I've not once stated you haven't posted at all, so posting links to threads where you have had some input is a waste of time and simply indicative of the straw man arguments you specialise in

[Özim]

You've constantly changed the subject. The subject was the result of the Bayern tie and your BS conjecture. Do you see anything at all in relation to that in the post I've quoted?

Additionally I've not once stated you haven't posted at all, so posting links to threads where you have had some input is a waste of time and simply indicative of the straw man arguments you specialise in

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc which I simply pointed out was over two different seasons and this season results simply can't attributed to this. I gave you some facts as well, as for this conjecture you go on about, I have to laugh because your argument about the best run of any team is as I have pointed means little since we've actually got nothing to show for it and runs over two separate seasons and thus has no impact on the present day.

As for not stating I've not posted at all, no not in so many words but the below pretty much means the same, so don't play me for a fool:


You are nowhere to be seen when we win - but its 'happy days are here again' for you when we don't.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc which I simply pointed out was over two different seasons and this season results simply can't attributed to this. I gave you some facts as well, as for this conjecture you go on about, I have to laugh because your argument about the best run of any team is as I have pointed means little since we've actually got nothing to show for it and runs over two separate seasons and thus has no impact on the present day.

As for not stating I've not posted at all, no not in so many words but the below pretty much means the same, so don't play me for a fool:


There is nothing deluded about seeing exactly what happened. Bayern made it through on a technicality - the slimmest margin possible as they cowered to corner flags desperately wasting as much tme as they could. Barca were subsequently murdered in both legs.

That 'pointless result' has been followed by some of the best and most prolonged set of good results this Club has seen in many years. And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

Like I said, next to bugger all, which has been the case.

And you still don't understand what a sequence means.

[Özim]

Like I said, next to bugger all, which has been the case.

And you still don't understand what a sequence means.

Moving goalpost I see :rolleyes:

From this:


You are nowhere to be seen when we win - but its 'happy days are here again' for you when we don't.

To this


And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

Talk about being a hypocrit.

I understand what a sequence is thanks, but I neither care nor think it's very relevant to our current setup because as stated countless times one season does not relate to the next, what I'm saying is it's a moot point.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc which I simply pointed out was over two different seasons and this season results simply can't attributed to this. I gave you some facts as well, as for this conjecture you go on about, I have to laugh because your argument about the best run of any team is as I have pointed means little since we've actually got nothing to show for it and runs over two separate seasons and thus has no impact on the present day.
As for not stating I've not posted at all, no not in so many words but the below pretty much means the same, so don't play me for a fool:

If that were the case, we'd be talking about our match against the likes of Sheriff tonight. And we would not be talking about a team that is markedly superior in just about every respect to the one prior to the Bayern match.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Moving goalpost I see :rolleyes:

From this:



To this



Talk about being a hypocrit.

I understand what a sequence is thanks, but I neither care nor think it's very relevant to our current setup because as stated countless times one season does not relate to the next, what I'm saying is it's a moot point.

It is pretty much a fact that you go from barely a peep when we win, to the most prolific of posters when we lose.

edit: That sequence that means nothing to you, is one that has seen us into the CL and placed us on top of the League.

[Özim]

If that were the case, we'd be talking about our match against the likes of Sheriff tonight. And we would not be talking about a team that is markedly superior in just about every respect to the one prior to the Bayern match.

Surely we're talking about our form here and how the team is performing rather than what tournaments some games last season allowed us to qualify for?

My point has been entirely based on our form/performances and in my eyes that's what referring to a run of games refers to rather than qualification for a particular competition.

[Özim]

It is pretty much a fact that you go from barely a peep when we win, to the most prolific of posters when we lose.

edit: That sequence that means nothing to you, is one that has seen us into the CL and placed us on top of the League.


Yes and as I've explained many times now there's a good reason for that, when we win there's barely any debate and much less posting, you post your opinion on a player and the performance and that's pretty much it, noone questions it, noone discusses it it's all pretty mundane, the reason I post more when we lose is that people like you pick up on my posts and reply to them thus prompting a response from me and so on. There are points to discuss and that are disagreed on, which is rarely the case when we win,

It means nothing to me in terms of a sequence of results no, this season's form does mean something to me as each game is very relevant to the next. As for the CL qualifcation, yes we qualified last season, I neither enjoyed our games then nor cared if we qualified at the time.

[Letters]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc

That's hardly a deviation. No game can be seen in isolation, whatever YOU think of that result it was clearly a confidence boost to the team. You may have seen it as meaningless as it didn't see us go through but the players didn't. It was the first game we'd played after the defeat at WHL. Had we lost that too or, worse, got a whipping I can't believe we'd have gone on the run we subsequently did. That run - which presumably you also regard as meaningless because it didn't lead to a trophy which is your only criteria for success in football - meant we qualified for the CL.

Now we come to this season. I think most of us attribute our run so far to the lift signing Özil has given us. Question for you - would he have signed for a side in the Europa League? Would he balls. So it is all linked to what we did last season and that run started with the Bayern game.

[Özim]

That's hardly a deviation. No game can be seen in isolation, whatever YOU think of that result it was clearly a confidence boost to the team. You may have seen it as meaningless as it didn't see us go through but the players didn't. It was the first game we'd played after the defeat at WHL. Had we lost that too or, worse, got a whipping I can't believe we'd have gone on the run we subsequently did. That run - which presumably you also regard as meaningless because it didn't lead to a trophy which is your only criteria for success in football - meant we qualified for the CL.

Now we come to this season. I think most of us attribute our run so far to the lift signing Özil has given us. Question for you - would he have signed for a side in the Europa League? Would he balls. So it is all linked to what we did last season and that run started with the Bayern game.


Maybe not, but we lost the tie, even though we won the game we still went out and IMO that's a negative end not a positive one and this after losing to Spurs. I don't put too much emphasis on that result simply because to be honest we didn't play that well at the end of the season, we scraped to win rather than winning them at a canter whilst what you could deem as form football. Form is usually reflected in performances just like it largely has been this season.

Yes Ozil has made a huge difference, there's no way of being sure but perhaps not but when we refer to a sequence of results we certainly don't think about qualification for a tournament the following season or the signing of a player, what is usually meant is how the team performs over this period and how each game is linked to the confidence achieved from a string of positive results.

You're correct in that the other aspects do influence our season, but simply pointing out a sequence of results over two seasons does not illustrate this.

I think games in one particular season are relevant to each other but I don't think games in one season followed by a 2-3 month break and then games in the following season have any relevance to each other.

[Power n Glory]

I think games in one particular season are relevant to each other but I don't think games in one season followed by a 2-3 month break and then games in the following season have any

We lost our opening game at home so I see where you're coming with that last point.

[Globalgunner]

Yes and as I've explained many times now there's a good reason for that, when we win there's barely any debate and much less posting, you post your opinion on a player and the performance and that's pretty much it, noone questions it, noone discusses it it's all pretty mundane, the reason I post more when we lose is that people like you pick up on my posts and reply to them thus prompting a response from me and so on. There are points to discuss and that are disagreed on, which is rarely the case when we win,

It means nothing to me in terms of a sequence of results no, this season's form does mean something to me as each game is very relevant to the next. As for the CL qualifcation, yes we qualified last season, I neither enjoyed our games then nor cared if we qualified at the time.

Ozim, there is no point arguing the toss with with these chaps, they can go on talking in circles far longer than you can. What is anybody's point arguing that we were great against Bayern whence lost the tie. It was the same B.S. when we beat Milan in Milan. WE LOST THE BLOODY TIE.!!
There is no glory in losing. It reminds me of the joke the Scots like to make about how they were the true World Champs because they were the 1st team to beat England after 1966. The only difference is that the Scots know it's a joke. Some however on GW strut about on the web saying how brilliant we actually are.
The only truth is that it is only on the pages of GW that such arguments can be made. I dare any of these Muppets to go on any public forum or in the midst of other fans and make such puerile arguments.
We haven't won anything yet. We haven't won the CL in 17 attempts. This loss may be a blimp, but I see no reason to be making any vainglorious pronouncements on our prospects. The reason we have beenknocked out of the 16 round these last few seasons is that we always come second in the group. 2nd place e will inevitably mean meeting Barca or Real or Bayern et al. We needed to get a draw at worst.
It was a bad result , and we have not yet proved we are a great team yet.

[Letters]

Maybe not, but we lost the tie, even though we won the game we still went out and IMO that's a negative end not a positive one and this after losing to Spurs.
No-one seriously expected us to progress even before the first leg, after the first leg result we were as good as out and I won't deny that probably had some influence on our result there. We were able to play with no pressure, Bayern may have taken their eye off the ball a bit and we gave them a real fright.

And yes, we went out and that's a negative. But the result on the night was exceptional and clearly gave the players a much needed shot in the arm. We didn't lose another game after that last season, P10 W8 D2 L0. I don't believe we'd have gone on that run had we not got that result away at Bayern. And yes, we scraped through some of those games and while there was an element of luck here and there you don't go on that sort of run by luck alone.

No game can be seen in isolation, neither should be any season - you don't start with a complete new set of players, each season builds on the last. You could see after the Newcastle game what CL qualification meant to the players - they weren't celebrating 4th place, they were celebrating what it meant. And there's no way we'd have signed Özil had we been playing in the Europa League. It's all linked.

I vaguely agree that we shouldn't put too much emphasis on that one result but it certainly wasn't meaningless.

[Letters]

Ozim, there is no point arguing the toss with with these chaps, they can go on talking in circles far longer than you can. What is anybody's point arguing that we were great against Bayern whence lost the tie. It was the same B.S. when we beat Milan in Milan. WE LOST THE BLOODY TIE.!!
There is no glory in losing. It reminds me of the joke the Scots like to make about how they were the true World Champs because they were the 1st team to beat England after 1966. The only difference is that the Scots know it's a joke. Some however on GW strut about on the web saying how brilliant we actually are.
The only truth is that it is only on the pages of GW that such arguments can be made. I dare any of these Muppets to go on any public forum or in the midst of other fans and make such puerile arguments.
We haven't won anything yet. We haven't won the CL in 17 attempts. This loss may be a blimp, but I see no reason to be making any vainglorious pronouncements on our prospects. The reason we have beenknocked out of the 16 round these last few seasons is that we always come second in the group. 2nd place e will inevitably mean meeting Barca or Real or Bayern et al. We needed to get a draw at worst.
It was a bad result , and we have not yet proved we are a great team yet.

You've spent most of that post completely misrepresenting everyone's views and then arguing against things people haven't said.

Well done you.

[Globalgunner]

You actually think whatever you say really means something. It doesn't

[Syn]

Letters :haha:

You meaningless meanie. Go back to your cave.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You actually think whatever you say really means something. It doesn't


http://img.pandawhale.com/28465-Jerry-Seinfeld-leaves-gif-yxqm.gif

[Letters]

Letters :haha:

You meaningless meanie. Go back to your cave.
But it's cold in there :(

[Munchies]

But it's cold in there :(
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0HznNbXSF3I/UgKNl9nLOeI/AAAAAAAAOGw/wZbfK982sEU/s1600/booker-t.gif

[LDG]

Yes and as I've explained many times now there's a good reason for that, when we win there's barely any debate and much less posting, you post your opinion on a player and the performance and that's pretty much it, noone questions it, noone discusses it it's all pretty mundane, the reason I post more when we lose is that people like you pick up on my posts and reply to them thus prompting a response from me and so on. There are points to discuss and that are disagreed on, which is rarely the case when we win I'm a WUM.



:good:

[Özim]

:good:

:console:

[LDG]

:console:

4

:woohoo:

[Özim]

4

:woohoo:

Potato/10

[Letters]

4

:woohoo:

That's Goonerswang!
Rotate the messageboard!

[bignev]

This loss may be a blimp, but I see no reason to be making any vainglorious pronouncements on our prospects.

Best sentence ever on GW?

How does someone with such a poor grasp of the english language come up with the word vainglorious?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You actually think whatever you say really means something. It doesn't

:gp:

[Letters]

How does someone with such a poor grasp of the english language come up with the word vainglorious?
Probably just a blimp.

[GP]

This thread smells like wee.

[PGFC]

Best sentence ever on GW?

How does someone with such a poor grasp of the english language come up with the word vainglorious?


Probably just a blimp.

Goodyear for it :good:

[Dein-machine]

Are we back on the thread of yesterdays game yet or are we still "Zimming"

[PGFC]

Was there a game?

[Dein-machine]

I think so but we've spent so much time being Zimmed I've lost the plot & the whole of Wed - sorry I meant to say Tuesday's game

[Letters]

I think so but we've spent so much time being Zimmed I've lost the plot & the whole of Wed - sorry I meant to say Tuesday's game
In brief, we lost, but it was a meaningless result as we didn't go out of the competition.
:woohoo:

[LDG]

:haha:

[JonasTC]

Yep, it was just a training match, we're still top of the league.

[Özim]

:haha:

Itz funny coz itz not funny

LOLZ just LOLZ at LDG.

[Özim]

In brief, we lost, but it was a meaningless result as we didn't go out of the competition.
:woohoo:

Eh? :unsure:

[LDG]

Itz funny coz itz not funny

LOLZ just LOLZ at LDG.

Yep. Definitely me being made to look like a mug here :good:

[Nayan]

Itz funny coz itz not funny

LOLZ just LOLZ at LDG.

Not really no. And now it just got funnier.

[GP]

Yep. Definitely me being made to look like a mug here :good:

lmao you mug

[Özim]

Yep. Definitely me being made to look like a mug here :good:

You don't need my help :good:

[Özim]

Not really no. And now it just got funnier.

Like I said I'm funny, whatcanyoudo? :shrug:

[Power n Glory]

How in the world did you guys squeeze so many pages out of nothing? :lol: What happened to the match reaction? We might as well go back to the post match rating thread. We used to get a better level of discussion on individual performances and sparks better debates. You guys won’t have to round on Zim about games from last season! :lol:

[Özim]

How in the world did you guys squeeze so many pages out of nothing? :lol: What happened to the match reaction? We might as well go back to the post match rating thread. We used to get a better level of discussion on individual performances and sparks better debates. You guys won’t have to round on Zim about games from last season! :lol:

They can't take differing opinions so they WUM.

[Letters]

I addressed your points and explained my point of view in most of my posts.
All you've done, as usual, is shift goalposts.

[Power n Glory]

Nobody cares! Just move on. Maybe more people would get involved on here if there was actually something worthwhile discussing.

[Power n Glory]

They can't take differing opinions so they WUM.

It’s really bad. There really isn’t a need to post in the match reaction thread half the time, so I see your point. Maybe a change of format would help.

[Özim]

I addressed your points and explained my point of view in most of my posts.
All you've done, as usual, is shift goalposts.

F*ck off I haven't shifted any goalposts that's just your customary excuse and it's getting boring tbh!

[JonasTC]

They can't take differing opinions so they WUM.

What do you expect when your "different opinion" is "Arsenal is shit", you're on an Arsenal forum ffs. You should move over to glory glory, they probably have a thread were they would all agree with you.

[Özim]

What do you expect when your "different opinion" is "Arsenal is shit", you're on an Arsenal forum ffs. You should move over to glory glory, they probably have a thread were they would all agree with you.

We were largely sh*t last season to be honest but have been a lot better this season. Just because you support a team it doesn't make you blind to it's faults/weaknesses/performances.

I tell it like I see it I don't sugarcoat it so that people like it.

[Letters]

I tell it like I see it
Your vision is worse than Wenger's :coffee:

[Dein-machine]

Anyway - back to the game. Can anyone explain Wumgers magical substituions. We go 2-1 down & replace Giroud with Bendtner, are we really more likely to score with that move. A tired Giroud is 10 times better than the Great Dane. Gnabbers's pace & directness was the better option & would have improved Giroud's goal chances but we decide to leave that move until the 88th minute.

[Letters]

Wenger's subs are often puzzling :shrug:
But he's made 50,000 of him in his career so who are we to reason why?

[PGFC]

To be fair to the viking warrior :rolleyes: he scored a couple for Nordenswefinland so, however unlikely, it was a good shock move but it needed an immediate effect, once they'd stopped laughing at the hair it was game over, i had hoped he'd have put Gnabbers on as soon as Sir Jack went over on his ankle but...ho-hum.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger's subs are often puzzling :shrug:
But he's made 50,000 of him in his career so who are we to reason why?

Why are you on the WUM?

[LDG]

Why are you on the WUM?

I think he was just alluding to what Wenger has said before about substitutions. I think it was when he substituted AOC against Utd for Arshavin, and he was quoted as saying much the same thing.

[Dein-machine]

To be fair to the viking warrior :rolleyes: he scored a couple for Nordenswefinland so, however unlikely, it was a good shock move but it needed an immediate effect, once they'd stopped laughing at the hair it was game over, i had hoped he'd have put Gnabbers on as soon as Sir Jack went over on his ankle but...ho-hum.

It was a great shock move - trouble is, it shocked me far more than it did Dortmund

[LDG]

It was a great shock move - trouble is, it shocked me far more than it did Dortmund

:lol:

Giroud seemed to be the one causing Dortmund the most problems, so maybe he thought having the two of them up there would create more?

I was more suprised that we went narrow again, after the success Cazorla and Ozil were having on the flanks....

It's how we conceded in the end, as we'd gone narrow and left a big 'ol channel down the left. Gibbs was caught, and the rest is history.

[Dein-machine]

:lol:

Giroud seemed to be the one causing Dortmund the most problems, so maybe he thought having the two of them up there would create more?

I was more suprised that we went narrow again, after the success Cazorla and Ozil were having on the flanks....

It's how we conceded in the end, as we'd gone narrow and left a big 'ol channel down the left. Gibbs was caught, and the rest is history.

Agreed. When we go narrow it is essential for the full backs to push up & fill the void. However they both did it for the second goal & the rest is history - wouldn't mid so much if either of them could cross a ball.

[Letters]

I think he was just alluding to what Wenger has said before about substitutions. I think it was when he substituted AOC against Utd for Arshavin, and he was quoted as saying much the same thing.
That.

I am often puzzled by Wenger's subs, I guess he felt Giroud was flagging and Bendtner would add something although it shows up the lack of options up front if that's the best card you can play. :(

[Syn]

That.

I am often puzzled by Wenger's subs, I guess he felt Giroud was flagging and Bendtner would add something although it shows up the lack of options up front if that's the best card you can play. :(

Theres not that much difference between Giroud and Bendtner. Ones a good player, the other is decent. There's certainly not much difference between a tired Giroud and a fresh Bendtner. Bendtner's problem was never ability but just the tendency to be a twat. He had looked decent in his latest few appearances, including scoring 2 goals against Italy.

[Letters]

I think he's OK but IMO if we want to be serious about competing at the very top level we want better options than that.

[Power n Glory]

Bendy was often good at powering in last minute headers for us. Would often get 10+ plus goals for us as back up. Important goals as well. It makes sense for Wenger to throw him on. If we’re serious about competing, then a better second striker would mean someone better than Giroud and pushing him on to the bench.

Bendy hasn’t done himself any favours with all the loan spells. He’d have played more games and helped his development if he had stayed with us. But when you see rubbish players like Chamakh in front of you….well…..

[Özim]

We need a top class striker IMO, Giroud's done pretty well and comes up with some nice touches but I'm not entirely convinced with him in front of goal, someone of real quality up front would finish us off, thought I'd personally sign another CB as well.

[LDG]

We need a top class striker IMO, Giroud's done pretty well and comes up with some nice touches but I'm not entirely convinced with him in front of goal, someone of real quality up front would finish us off, thought I'd personally sign another CB as well.

This is the balance though. We have Giroud, and get goals by the way he brings everyone else into play.

If you rely on an out and out striker, who doesn't do what Giroud does for our midfield, you find yourself relying on one player, rather than a cohesive unit.

Not saying there's not better players at other things, but doing what Giroud does? He's about the best at bringing others into play in the world right now......

[Power n Glory]

This is the balance though. We have Giroud, and get goals by the way he brings everyone else into play.

If you rely on an out and out striker, who doesn't do what Giroud does for our midfield, you find yourself relying on one player, rather than a cohesive unit.

Not saying there's not better players at other things, but doing what Giroud does? He's about the best at bringing others into play in the world right now......

That's a serious exaggeration. He's doing good but let's not go overboard.

[LDG]

That's a serious exaggeration. He's doing good but let's not go overboard.

I'm gonna quote Maccy (sorry Maccy), just so you don't think my comments were rash....hopefully you'll respect him more than you do me ;)


Well simply I don't think there is currently anyone better at linking the play in the way Giroud does out of any current striker; those other strikers might be more likely to score multiple goals consistently but I also think there's a good chance we'd lose the effectiveness of utilising our midfield, which is clearly our stength. It's not so simple as better striker = better team.

Furthermore. Everyone wnated us to sign Lewandovski (sp), but if the other night is anything to go by, I know who I'd pick!

[Power n Glory]

It’s the way we play and the way we use our strikers. They all get involved with the act. We’ve never had a first team striker that wouldn’t assist with the build up. Henry, Ade, RVP….even little Eduardo was encouraged to be smart around the edge of the box. Heck, Chamakh was helping with the link up play so badly he was neglecting his shooting duty.

Man Utd play a different brand of football but if we had either RVP or Rooney, we’d be even more of a threat. As long as we have a striker that’s constantly working and looking for the ball, we’d get that team work. Wenger gets the best out of strikers.

[Xhaka Can’t]

This is the balance though. We have Giroud, and get goals by the way he brings everyone else into play.

If you rely on an out and out striker, who doesn't do what Giroud does for our midfield, you find yourself relying on one player, rather than a cohesive unit.

Not saying there's not better players at other things, but doing what Giroud does? He's about the best at bringing others into play in the world right now......

I agree with the crux of your post. However, the last para is quite a bold statement. I like Giroud and the influence we brings upon our style of play, but there is no way he is as exceptional as you claim.

[Dein-machine]

There isn't a striker in the world that doesn't help with link up play in some form but link up play demands ability & a footballing brain - we had it in abundance with the likes of TH, DB & RVP. It was obvious the likes of Adebayor & Bendtner do not have it & never
will do, neither of them could make a difference in shit teams like Spurs & Sunderland. Giroud has shown he is a clever player & he can only get better but we have to have clever players in all positions to get the most out of the football we play & we have to add another clever player upfront. Bringing Bendtner on in CL football is laughable. He may score goals for Denmark but they play long ball into the box where he can beat a little Itie in the air - we don't do that, our game is about quick movement around the box & intricate passing which he's fucking useless at.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Syn must be drunk as he reported his reply rather than posting it on here.


Lewandowski is very overrated. He's probably a little better than Giroud but we should aim for better. Unfortunately summer 2013 was the window where all top strikers were on the move. Now it's going to be difficult.

[LDG]

Syn :lol:

Awlful drunk

[Dein-machine]

Sorry chaps - didn't mean to double post but got put off by my 10 year old son who has just seen the Spuds result last night & asked me how come an American team can play in the Europa cup - fucking priceless.

[LDG]

Sorry chaps - didn't mean to double post but got put off by my 10 year old son who has just seen the Spuds result last night & asked me how come an American team can play in the Europa cup - fucking priceless.

USA v Middlesex

:good:

[Underhill and over Grove]

In relation to Giroud, I agree that we need another striker to compete with him up front he has done well, but we have absolutely no quality cover.

In relation to top strikers being available, it is hard to predict what will happen in the January transfer window, if either of the subsidised clubs (chavski, man city) have bad starts to the season, their respective sugar daddies could decide to throw money at their new managers and Arsenal could be the eventual beneficiaries in terms of players becoming available.

It worked with Ozil.....