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McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2014, 07:06 PM
Well I quite enjoyed that.

Spuds. :haha:

Arsenal. :bow:

Gnabry was the most impressive player I thought, although I will hardly be alone in that view.

BFG gives Koscielny his powers of invincibility.

The Emirates Gallactico
04-01-2014, 07:08 PM
Fucking sign up Rosicky at once!!! One year, two years, three years ......... fuck it give him whatever he wants!!

Power n Glory
04-01-2014, 07:09 PM
Fantastic!

GP
04-01-2014, 07:09 PM
Wonderful.

Özim
04-01-2014, 07:09 PM
Great win, Gnabry outstanding!

Rosicky was brilliant as was Cazorla and Walcott (minus finishing).

Defence was pretty decent too.

Heisenberg
04-01-2014, 07:09 PM
Great result :scarf:

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 07:10 PM
4 games in the festive period and we won the lot. beautiful.

what a win today, rosicky is superb. spurs power shift? :haha:

JonasTC
04-01-2014, 07:10 PM
Gnabry :bow:

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:11 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKG3lYIMAAzl1x.jpg

Gooner23
04-01-2014, 07:11 PM
Theo's 2-0 gestures to the Spuds fans, fucking love that!

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 07:12 PM
also after today, i will never say a bad word about Theo again. that gesture to the spurs fans. fucking glorious

Darknight02
04-01-2014, 07:12 PM
There was so much to admire about that performance.

Starting from defence Kos and Merts are absolute rocks.

Mert probably played at 50% and still looked class.

Arteta absolutely dominant in midfield with control and passing and made many interceptions. What a legend.

Cazorla was great for the finish. Rosicky never stops running and glad to see his goal. We need him to sign a new contract. Players of that quality and intelligence are so so rare.

Sagna was a rock as was Monreal.

Thought Theo was brilliant by himself.

But Gnabry was a stand out. So composed and so mature. Has the strength and skill to keep the ball and wriggle out of tight positions and always chooses the right option. Wonderful pass to Cazorla for the goal.

This team is close to being legendary.

Sign Sagna up.

And sign a decent striker and well be laughing!

Moment of the match was Theo with his wind up! Lol!

Heisenberg
04-01-2014, 07:13 PM
Theo is a true WUM :bow:

Sign him up... to GW

Letters
04-01-2014, 07:14 PM
Quite enjoyed that tbh

:patrice:

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:14 PM
Flamini :bow:

Telling that fucking stupid Algerian cunt who's boss.

The main bright spark as everyone has said, is Gnabry. WOW, he's bloody brilliant.

Darknight02
04-01-2014, 07:14 PM
How fit is Rosicky! Looks far fitter than even Ozil!

Sign him up! Can't afford to let players of his ilk leave!

Letters
04-01-2014, 07:16 PM
"It was a typical Tottenham performance, they'll let you down most times"
- Roy Keane

:haha:

Gooner23
04-01-2014, 07:16 PM
Not normally a fan of roy keane, but he has just rinsed spurs there

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:17 PM
How fit is Rosicky! Looks far fitter than even Ozil!

Sign him up! Can't afford to let players of his ilk leave!

Happens each year, sign him up again Wenger.

He runs his socks off every game, even until the final whistle. One of my favourite players that we've had in the 'trophyless' era

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2014, 07:18 PM
Keane. :bow:

Back to legend status.

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2014, 07:18 PM
https://vine.co/v/hYeFmEAJDeh

OMG. :haha:

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 07:18 PM
How fit is Rosicky! Looks far fitter than even Ozil!

Sign him up! Can't afford to let players of his ilk leave!

if we are too win a trophy this season, i want rosicky to score the trophy winning goal. he deserves that

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
04-01-2014, 07:19 PM
Superb win. The reason why we won't knock teams for 6 is because we batter them with a 2 nil score line and just remain solid till we see the game out. Really professional. We've had a few 2 nils this season where we've absolutely battered the opponents.

Rosicky keeping up his closing down from the last game. What an Arsenal player....the ability and the attitude.

Theo was great and this is exactly the sort of game where he can come into his own upfront. Guessing by the Cheshire cat grin on his face and his hand gestures to the knuckle draggers that his injury isn't a season ending one....

That's 3 forwards out injured.

milla
04-01-2014, 07:20 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKG3lYIMAAzl1x.jpg

Best moment of the game, Spuds :haha:

milla
04-01-2014, 07:22 PM
https://vine.co/v/hYeFmEAJDeh

OMG. :haha:

What a man :haha:

Zak
04-01-2014, 07:22 PM
Great performance by the whole team but what is wrong with Ozil?

He came on and didn't seem at all interested and gave away silly free kicks. He needs to put more effort in for the team.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
04-01-2014, 07:24 PM
It was a horrendous cameo, lol.... invisible for the first 5 minutes then gave the ball away, then a free kick.... and then did something useful at last. No biggy though, just glad he isn't out for a stupid amount of time.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2014, 07:25 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1546284_10151927894683095_1960903866_n.jpg

Theo Theo, show them the score!

Edinburgh Gooner
04-01-2014, 07:26 PM
Best game of football I've seen for a while. Great attacking performance whilst doing the simple things right. This team could be very special.

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:27 PM
Great performance by the whole team but what is wrong with Ozil?

He came on and didn't seem at all interested and gave away silly free kicks. He needs to put more effort in for the team.

It's his playstyle really, he's always looked laboured in his approach.

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:29 PM
What a man :haha:

Poor guy that he isn't playing more but Kosc/Merts are THAT good at the moment.

Power n Glory
04-01-2014, 07:29 PM
https://vine.co/v/hYeFmEAJDeh

OMG. :haha:

:lol: that's so disrespectful! Great stuff!

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8CDgEAs8OU&feature=youtu.be

milla
04-01-2014, 07:33 PM
Poor guy that he isn't playing more but Kosc/Merts are THAT good at the moment.

If he wasn't on yellow so early in the game, he would probably play some part in the second half. :coffee:

Penguin
04-01-2014, 07:36 PM
Brilliant stuff :scarf:

Theo :bow:

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 07:39 PM
just how good is this squad? we've been missing key players a lot this season, especially over this festive period, we rested and rotated today yet still won easily. no gibbs, giroud, bendtner, ramsey etc yet still won comfortably today. this squad really does believe in themselves, i think its time we did too

Özil's Panoramic View
04-01-2014, 07:40 PM
Didn't get to watch, but a win over that shower from up the road is always bloody marvellous.

Spuds. :haha:

The Arsenal. :bow:

Munchies
04-01-2014, 07:41 PM
As Theo was being carried off...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKJacsIIAAIZcR.jpg

:haha:

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 07:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA

GP
04-01-2014, 07:45 PM
Wenger: "Theo has a knee problem, we don't know if it is a stretched ligament or just a kick." #AFCvTHFC

Master Splinter
04-01-2014, 07:46 PM
Arsenal :bow:.

Lovely footy, classy finishes, top, top defending again and Spufs well and truly put in their place. Really disappointing that it wasn't the 5-0 it should have been.

Rosicky was great. Cazorla is closing in on his top form. Walcott played well, but finished awlfully. Arteta controlled everything. Wilshere had another good day. But Gnabry was the most impressive. He was creating chances at will. He rightly should have had four assists at least but for poor finishing. If he doesn't get more first team football now, then WUMger is having a WUM.

Theo the troll :bow: :bow:.

Rose the Clown :bow: :bow:.

Agent Adebayor :bow: :bow:.

Spuds :haha: :haha:.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2014, 07:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA

That always cracks me up. :haha:

Master Splinter
04-01-2014, 07:55 PM
There was so much to admire about that performance.

Starting from defence Kos and Merts are absolute rocks.

Mert probably played at 50% and still looked class.

Arteta absolutely dominant in midfield with control and passing and made many interceptions. What a legend.

Cazorla was great for the finish. Rosicky never stops running and glad to see his goal. We need him to sign a new contract. Players of that quality and intelligence are so so rare.

Sagna was a rock as was Monreal.

Thought Theo was brilliant by himself.

But Gnabry was a stand out. So composed and so mature. Has the strength and skill to keep the ball and wriggle out of tight positions and always chooses the right option. Wonderful pass to Cazorla for the goal.

This team is close to being legendary.

Sign Sagna up.

And sign a decent striker and well be laughing!

Moment of the match was Theo with his wind up! Lol!

:gp:

This post brought a tear to my eye tbh.

Letters
04-01-2014, 07:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA

:haha:

Awesome.

:patrice:

Syn
04-01-2014, 07:59 PM
Complete control of the game. Really enjoyable to watch. Rosicky absolutely outstanding and another very mature performance from Gnabry who has looked ready for some time now. Even though he didn't score, I think the Walcott_up_front tactic looks good. We had a few fantastic build-ups that could've led to goals.

It helped that Sherwood was a mong and went with 2 up front which allowed the midfield to charge through and our goals were basically their unforced errors, but the movement of Walcott created a lot of openings, including Cazorla's strike. With around 83 mins on the clock and playing with 10 men, before 2012 we would've been shitting ourselves that we'd blow the lead. Theo winding up the fans and the whole mood would've seemed dangerously over confident. But with Sagna, Mertesacker and Koscielny at the back, you're not that worried now.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2014, 08:01 PM
Sherwood: "It’s been 6 games in 17 days with a lot of injuries, it’s a big ask. Little bit of sharpness was missing. We’ve come to a team that are top for a reason, they’re a very very good team. I don't think they over-ran us in the middle of the park. A lot get says about 4-4-2, 4-5-1 but it's all about transitions.

:haha:

Master Splinter
04-01-2014, 08:06 PM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/koscielny-gnabry-will-have-a-big-2014

Kos woz rite :bow:.

Power n Glory
04-01-2014, 08:14 PM
Some really good performances! Gnarby had a brilliant first half.
Bags of potential with that kid. Pace, good first touch, smart, quick feet....really impressive and he can play a major part for us this season. Really good to see the senior players looking to link up with him.

Theo up front worked for this game. Stretched their defence and created space for the other attacking players. We weren't bogged down on the edge of their box trying to thread the ball through tight spots. A very open game but would love to see that again if Theo isn't broken. He should have scored a couple.

Jack had a slow start but got better. Arteta was very solid, Monreal was really good too and held his own...defence was good overall...a fantastic result.!

Munchies
04-01-2014, 08:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKTBSjIEAAvZOk.jpg

LDG
04-01-2014, 08:21 PM
https://vine.co/v/hYeFmEAJDeh

OMG. :haha:

:haha:

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2014, 08:24 PM
Gory-Gory:


What a prick - should get pulled up by the FA for that.

:haha:

LDG
04-01-2014, 08:25 PM
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

Fuck off spurs.

Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
04-01-2014, 08:25 PM
good performance weighted against a poor performance for spurs, take away the Christian Eriksen effort and they created nothing.

Danny Rose, Chiriches and Michael Dawson were all apalling....only Kyle Walker put in a half decent stint at the back.

Despite what Andy Townsend said, for me Rosicky was man of the match and completley controlled the midfield, Walcott had a good game just needs a bit more finesse in front of goal, Cazorla best game in an Arsenal shirt for months, Wilshere looked good, Arteta looked solid....despite the fact that they used pace against him Monreal did well....Fabianski one iffy clearance aside did what he had to do and was mainly a spectator.

And Gnabry's performance for me makes me question why he is not played more often...before Walcott returned we didn't have much width in the side at all.

Munchies
04-01-2014, 08:25 PM
Feo's bro getting massive stick for this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKSQHOIEAAmJFn.jpg

Also told a spud to eat his dick :haha:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashwalcott

Japan Shaking All Over
04-01-2014, 08:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO351rCr0wA

:haha:

Japan Shaking All Over
04-01-2014, 08:28 PM
https://vine.co/v/hYeFmEAJDeh

OMG. :haha:

:haha: :haha:

GP
04-01-2014, 08:29 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xocK6g7.jpg

Syn
04-01-2014, 08:33 PM
:haha:

Wumgeritis has spread. Everyone's on it today.

selassie
04-01-2014, 08:52 PM
I really really enjoyed that!

I thought offensively we were very good, played at a very high level, all of them, Theo, Cazorla, Gnabry, Rosicky & Jack. Theo in particular was great and really grew into that Centre forward role. Gnabry was outstanding too, this boy is going to be a BIG talent if he continues to develop.

We looked strong in Midfield and pretty steady at the back.

Good stuff.

Grebbo
04-01-2014, 09:04 PM
Feo's bro getting massive stick for this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKSQHOIEAAmJFn.jpg

Also told a spud to eat his dick :haha:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashwalcott

:haha:


ashley walcott: Rather than respond individually to all the abuse I'll get from the spud fans, top of the league forever in our shadow - eat my dick

milla
04-01-2014, 09:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKThZ-IYAAGLj_.jpg

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
04-01-2014, 09:09 PM
Don't forget fella's that we have 2 Gnabry's at the club......We have Chamberlain when he comes back. :d

LDG
04-01-2014, 09:15 PM
Wrighty also gave it the fist clench when ITV signed off :lol:

Globalgunner
04-01-2014, 09:16 PM
Picked this up from another blog:

Rosicky picked a Rose from the Emirates center circle

Transplanted Gooner
04-01-2014, 09:34 PM
1. Well done, Agent Sherwood
2. Danny Rose. Is THAT going to get replayed again and again? You bet your Arsenal !
3. Tomas Rosicky... Just awesome.
4. Emmanuel Adebayor. You're welcome, Spuds.
5. Spuds still throwing money away every transfer window.
6. Feo, Feo... What's the score ?
7. Szcsesny is a Gooner!

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2014, 09:40 PM
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/13957184/img/13957184.jpg

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
04-01-2014, 09:44 PM
HAHAHAHAHAA!!!

GP
04-01-2014, 10:02 PM
I love this group of players. You get the feeling they're all in it together, fighting for each other and the shirt.

LDG
04-01-2014, 10:07 PM
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/tottenham-fans-threw-a-handful-of-coins-at-arsenals-theo-walcott-as-he-was-stretchered-off-picture/

Change left from 100mil?

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 10:08 PM
spurs fans and the media making it out that what Theo did was the worst thing ever. no mention of the coins being thrown at him at all.


Theo :bow:

spurs :haha:

JonasTC
04-01-2014, 10:17 PM
I love this group of players. You get the feeling they're all in it together, fighting for each other and the shirt.

Me too! Just a bunch of good honest people, who seems to be doing it all for the right reasons. Not cunts like Adebayor, Nasri, etc... A bunch of young players who grew up together in this team and alot of good rolemodels in the older players. This team will only get better and better if we can keep them together. We need to sign up Sagna and Rosicky ASAP! Especially Rosicky, he is an awesome role model for all the young players, he's 33 and can still run around like that for 90 minutes, i dont see him losing any of that physique in the comming years.

Letters
04-01-2014, 10:37 PM
That was a much more satisfying win than the one in the league. In the first one they :blah: about how they had so much possession and how they pinned us back at the end (both true but Arsenal have been winning the possession stats for years, I'd rather win games).
This time we schooled them from start to finish, they never had us any serious pressure and 2-0 flattered them.

Always.
In.
Our.
Shadow.

:patrice:

Ollie the Optimist
04-01-2014, 11:06 PM
Graham Roberts wants the police to investigate Theo for his actions :haha:


spurs fans are such cunts

Penguin
04-01-2014, 11:08 PM
spurs fans and the media making it out that what Theo did was the worst thing ever. no mention of the coins being thrown at him at all.


Theo :bow:

spurs :haha:

Tbf we of all people should know how that feels after that celebration by Adebayor a couple of years ago. As funny as it was Theo is a professional and shouldn't be doing that right in front of their fans.

Wenger said that, apparently, the Spurs fans threw coins before the gesture. Not sure why he would feel the need to aggravate them more. :unsure:

GP
04-01-2014, 11:15 PM
Tbf we of all people should know how that feels after that celebration by Adebayor a couple of years ago. As funny as it was Theo is a professional and shouldn't be doing that right in front of their fans.

Wenger said that, apparently, the Spurs fans threw coins before the gesture. Not sure why he would feel the need to aggravate them more. :unsure:

He's being stretchered off the pitch, and he'd bening pelted with coins and chants of 'let him die'

Reminding them of the score is absolutely nothing compared to that.

LDG
04-01-2014, 11:22 PM
Non-pussy Theo :bow:

Penguin
04-01-2014, 11:24 PM
He's being stretchered off the pitch, and he'd bening pelted with coins and chants of 'let him die'

Reminding them of the score is absolutely nothing compared to that.

But what's the point of getting them more angry in that situation? Little bit immature from Theo and he'll probably pick up a hefty fine.

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
04-01-2014, 11:25 PM
Spurs :haha:

Walcott cements himself as a legend. Brilliant

JonasTC
04-01-2014, 11:29 PM
But what's the point of getting them more angry in that situation? Little bit immature from Theo and he'll probably pick up a hefty fine.

Ahhh come on... Its a derby, you're about to win, you get injuried and people are chanting 'let him die' and throwing shit at you, would you really just lay there and take it like a bitch?

Even nazi-FA should be able to see the funny in this, if anyone should be fined, they should fine tottenham fans for throwing shit. Teams have been fined big time for throwing coins before.

GP
04-01-2014, 11:32 PM
They should ban Spurs fans from attending an away game as punishment.

up the arse
05-01-2014, 12:40 AM
They should ban Spurs fans from attending an away game as punishment.

No. They should MAKE THEM ATTEND away games as a punishment!

Transplanted Gooner
05-01-2014, 12:49 AM
But what's the point of getting them more angry in that situation? Little bit immature from Theo and he'll probably pick up a hefty fine.

Showing my age, but I remember "stick your two points up your arse".
This is nothing.

The Emirates Gallactico
05-01-2014, 01:12 AM
Julien Laurens ‏@LaurensJulien

Saw Pires after the game:"Gnabry was superb. Only 18, what a talent. I see him in training,he's one of the most gifted players in the squad"


https://twitter.com/LaurensJulien/status/419575419646787585

Gnabry needs to start more!!

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2014, 01:32 AM
Finally, somebody has done this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/video-1079051/Antwerp-players-use-womens-bums-target-practice.html

Plus the gap between us and the spuds is bigger than I've seen in years.

Marc Overmars
05-01-2014, 01:33 AM
Arsenal. :bow:

Theo. :haha: :bow:

Spurs. :lol:

Bye.

Dein-machine
05-01-2014, 02:51 AM
just got back in from the game - must be pissed as I've just noticed i'm skint which means I must have bought dinner for the lads - bastards - best display for quite a while, football at pace which has been missing for the last half a dozen games. Gnabbers wonderful, superb defensively, Monreal didn't give lennon a kick, Ross,Santi & Arteta superb in midfield, Theo running them ragged - brilliant day which I must admit I didn't fancy this morning with our injuries. Only downside was Jack looking far too weak in midfield & Theo's injury - hope it not ligament damage. I even have to applaud Wumgers subs today - whether Verm was injured or not, he needed to be replaced as they would have targeted his yellow card, wasn't too happy to see Flam come on as I think he & Arteta together make us too deep but within minutes we had OZ on for Arteta which should have been a good move in relation to ball retention. Wonderful, absolutely wonderful - Spud fucking of the highest order. I fancy Brighton away in the next round.

LDG
05-01-2014, 06:57 AM
Finally, somebody has done this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/video-1079051/Antwerp-players-use-womens-bums-target-practice.html

Plus the gap between us and the spuds is bigger than I've seen in years.

That's the best link I've ever seen on here.

Thank you. Just. Thank you.

:cloud9:

Ralpheroo72
05-01-2014, 07:01 AM
Most of them have asked for their coins back


spurs fans and the media making it out that what Theo did was the worst thing ever. no mention of the coins being thrown at him at all.


Theo :bow:

spurs :haha:

Letters
05-01-2014, 08:17 AM
No. They should MAKE THEM ATTEND away games as a punishment!

:haha:

KSE Comedy Club
05-01-2014, 09:16 AM
anyone see the tweet from piers Morgan?

https://mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/419546421096763392?screen_name=piersmorgan

Piersmorgan@theo
Don't worry if you get fined for this.....I'll pay it.

:haha:

Piers :bow:

AFC Leveller
05-01-2014, 09:40 AM
One of our best performances of the season, completly dominated them and should have scored more. They had that early chance which we gifted them but we had them under control all game i thought.

Gnabs was fantastic, what a player he's gonna be. Rozza, Caz, Feo, jack, Arteta, Mert, Kos, everyone was great.

Spurs lol.

Injury Time
05-01-2014, 09:56 AM
Spurs :pal:

Syn
05-01-2014, 10:16 AM
http://www.ultraimg.com/images/kPwuy.gif

Grebbo
05-01-2014, 10:30 AM
I like how Gnabry is focussed on defending the corner rather than Rosicky's words :lol:

One of the reasons I'll always love Wenger is that he always finds a young gem. It's so much better seeing someone like Gnabry coming through compared to spunking a load of money on a player. I'd take Gnabry over any of the Spuds summer signings and that's not an over reaction.

Munchies
05-01-2014, 10:31 AM
http://vimeo.com/83399501

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 10:59 AM
Tbf we of all people should know how that feels after that celebration by Adebayor a couple of years ago. As funny as it was Theo is a professional and shouldn't be doing that right in front of their fans.

Wenger said that, apparently, the Spurs fans threw coins before the gesture. Not sure why he would feel the need to aggravate them more. :unsure:

I find the Adebayor slide funny. We were giving him stick, he gives it right back. Pisses people off but it can't always be one way. But the big difference with that situation is that he was a former player. Theo did nothing wrong. What about when Henry did that slide in front of the Spurs fans! Players shouldn't get fined for that.

The Emirates Gallactico
05-01-2014, 11:33 AM
I like how Gnabry is focussed on defending the corner rather than Rosicky's words :lol:

One of the reasons I'll always love Wenger is that he always finds a young gem. It's so much better seeing someone like Gnabry coming through compared to spunking a load of money on a player. I'd take Gnabry over any of the Spuds summer signings and that's not an over reaction.

Exactly, the guy is going to be a world beater. He has it all: the vision, the skill, the technique, the attitude and the strength. I've said it before but playing him and Theo on either wing would make a devasting combination. He'd be starting weekly for any PL team outside of us, Man City and Chelsea - he'd certainly walk into United's midfield right now.

Low needs to cap him immediately as he's still eligable to play for the Ivory Coast through his father. They're not going to waste any time trying to tap him. Hopefully Mertesacker, Podolski and Ozil will have a word with Low during the next International break.

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 12:01 PM
I'd rather see Gnarby and Ox on the flank with Theo up front. Despite Theo not getting on the score sheet, that's the most active and involved he's been all season. In a while in fact. He doesn't play as a winger anymore. He's playing as a wide number 9, same goes for Podolski and I think we sacrifice too much out wide when we do that.

With Giroud as striker, he plays the target man, drops deep into the hole and we're expecting Theo and Pod to make runs in behind the space he creates or to work off his flicks and pass backs. I hate when we play like that because we're often left playing tippy tappy on the edge of our opponents box. Theo and Pod can also look anonymous if there isn't enough space to make runs and get behind. Without Pod and Theo making runs and playing with guys like Wilshere and Cazorla...it's worse.

Throw in Theo up front, Gnarby and Ox wide then defenders have something to really worry about. Gnarby and Ox are both able to take on their markers and beat them. Pod and Theo rarely do this when wide. It's been a while since we've played down the flanks with a winger causing mayhem for our opponents defenders. Theo had a few games where he'd do it but his role at the club has changed as mentioned. Also, with Theo making runs and always looking for space, it pulls defenders and creates more space on the edge of the box for players like Ramsey and Ozil. We could have a serious team on our hands with threats all over the pitch. For the past few months out main threat has come from the centre of the pitch in Ramsey and Ozil.

Syn
05-01-2014, 12:19 PM
Don't know what state Ox will be in after his injury. I'm not expecting anything from him this season. Perspective: while the system we had yesterday worked from defence to attack, it was just one game against two lightweight CBs, 4 man midfield compared to our 5. I'm also interested to see more of Theo upfront and more of Gnabry, but things might well be different in a trickier games, or even in a bigger sample size than 1. Wenger clearly likes the big man upfront with Theo playing off him. And if we're being fair it's a method that has been getting results for quite some time now.

Marc Overmars
05-01-2014, 12:26 PM
I hope Wenget starts using Gnabbers a bit more rather than longing out the more established players if they aren't performing.

Globalgunner
05-01-2014, 12:32 PM
Exactly, the guy is going to be a world beater. He has it all: the vision, the skill, the technique, the attitude and the strength. I've said it before but playing him and Theo on either wing would make a devasting combination. He'd be starting weekly for any PL team outside of us, Man City and Chelsea - he'd certainly walk into United's midfield right now.

Low needs to cap him immediately as he's still eligable to play for the Ivory Coast through his father. They're not going to waste any time trying to tap him. Hopefully Mertesacker, Podolski and Ozil will have a word with Low during the next International break.

.....and why should it matter to you whether he plays for Germany or Ivory Coast. are you German?

Maestro
05-01-2014, 12:37 PM
slow day, poppin' to Glory Glory Hole for some laughs

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 12:45 PM
Don't know what state Ox will be in after his injury. I'm not expecting anything from him this season. Perspective: while the system we had yesterday worked from defence to attack, it was just one game against two lightweight CBs, 4 man midfield compared to our 5. I'm also interested to see more of Theo upfront and more of Gnabry, but things might well be different in a trickier games, or even in a bigger sample size than 1. Wenger clearly likes the big man upfront with Theo playing off him. And if we're being fair it's a method that has been getting results for quite some time now.

True indeed but you can see we're starting to run out of gas and ideas with the what we have been playing recently.

Ollie the Optimist
05-01-2014, 12:49 PM
True indeed but you can see we're starting to run out of gas and ideas with the what we have been playing recently.

We've won our last four games, amd currently top the league. What ideas are we running out of?

selassie
05-01-2014, 12:51 PM
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/13957184/img/13957184.jpg

Syn
05-01-2014, 01:00 PM
True indeed but you can see we're starting to run out of gas and ideas with the what we have been playing recently.

Not so sure, I think we've been playing like we have through the whole of 2013. Apart from a couple of really fluent performances (against Napoli and Liverpool, say) we're mostly about being efficient and getting the wins even if it's not pretty. That's just the sort of team we are now. But I think the best thing this game would've done is give Wenger more confidence to trust playing Walcott upfront for another game if Giroud is unfit or off form, and certainly more confidence to play Gnabry more. So with more players impressing it just gives him more options. That said, Wenger's the one who put him into the first team squad from 2012 so he must really rate him anyway.

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
05-01-2014, 01:04 PM
We've won our last four games, amd currently top the league. What ideas are we running out of?

:lol:

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 01:26 PM
We've won our last four games, amd currently top the league. What ideas are we running out of?

Our strikers are injured for starters.....we're gonna have to switch things up.

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 01:30 PM
I'm also thinking about the Cardiff game and how late we left that plus Giroud's lack of goals.

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 01:52 PM
Not so sure, I think we've been playing like we have through the whole of 2013. Apart from a couple of really fluent performances (against Napoli and Liverpool, say) we're mostly about being efficient and getting the wins even if it's not pretty. That's just the sort of team we are now. But I think the best thing this game would've done is give Wenger more confidence to trust playing Walcott upfront for another game if Giroud is unfit or off form, and certainly more confidence to play Gnabry more. So with more players impressing it just gives him more options. That said, Wenger's the one who put him into the first team squad from 2012 so he must really rate him anyway.

It's good to see we have more options instead of seeing players like Wilshere and Ramsey playing on the flanks. I think Wenger will trust Gnarby with a few more games or at least I hope so if we're lacking options from wide.

Özim
05-01-2014, 02:42 PM
It's good to see we have more options instead of seeing players like Wilshere and Ramsey playing on the flanks. I think Wenger will trust Gnarby with a few more games or at least I hope so if we're lacking options from wide.

Yeah agree, it's good to see a player like Gnabry, he's very direct and plays at speed it's a refreshing change over the slow moving passers. Wilshere had a better 2nd half yesterday, but the more I see of him the more ordinary he appears to me, I just can't see the brilliance in this guy's game, he plays some short passes and sometimes manages a long pass but there's nothing particularly special on show, we've got an abundance of quality midfielders now and for me he's going down the pecking order all the time.

Bumble
05-01-2014, 02:53 PM
Once we scored first result was never in doubt. I did enjoy the Walcott incident.

Darknight02
05-01-2014, 03:14 PM
http://vimeo.com/83399501

Probably the best all round performance from one of our attacking players this season.

What does this performance lack? Nothing at all.

Strength, positioning, control, vision, awareness, link-up play, intelligence, pace

This kid will be one hell of a player and I agree with whoever talks about him and Theo on the wings.

I still maintain it that the presence of his on the ball control and movement, pace and play allowed Theo so much of an advantage against the centre backs and amplified his performance.

Darknight02
05-01-2014, 03:22 PM
I'd rather see Gnarby and Ox on the flank with Theo up front. Despite Theo not getting on the score sheet, that's the most active and involved he's been all season. In a while in fact. He doesn't play as a winger anymore. He's playing as a wide number 9, same goes for Podolski and I think we sacrifice too much out wide when we do that.

With Giroud as striker, he plays the target man, drops deep into the hole and we're expecting Theo and Pod to make runs in behind the space he creates or to work off his flicks and pass backs. I hate when we play like that because we're often left playing tippy tappy on the edge of our opponents box. Theo and Pod can also look anonymous if there isn't enough space to make runs and get behind. Without Pod and Theo making runs and playing with guys like Wilshere and Cazorla...it's worse.

Throw in Theo up front, Gnarby and Ox wide then defenders have something to really worry about. Gnarby and Ox are both able to take on their markers and beat them. Pod and Theo rarely do this when wide. It's been a while since we've played down the flanks with a winger causing mayhem for our opponents defenders. Theo had a few games where he'd do it but his role at the club has changed as mentioned. Also, with Theo making runs and always looking for space, it pulls defenders and creates more space on the edge of the box for players like Ramsey and Ozil. We could have a serious team on our hands with threats all over the pitch. For the past few months out main threat has come from the centre of the pitch in Ramsey and Ozil.

I like your suggestion. I do wish we had a pacey winger down the flanks as it would add so much to our games. One of City's biggest strengths is the threat of Navas on the flank.

I agree with playing Theo up front with Gnabry out wide. The only thing is I think yesterday there were a number of factors helping us.

The presence of two center midfielders in the Spurs team allowed Theo to drop off the centre halves and use his movement and pace against them. Stronger teams will play three in midfield with a defensive mid picking up that space and I don't think this will allow Theo to drop deep and have that space and time on the ball.

I do think a player like Gnaby should start on the flanks and wide positions for us regardless from now. You can easily see that he is a far more complete package and player compared to even Podolski. I think our forward line at present should be Giroud, Gnabry and Theo as you say.

This creates an interesting problem for us because what is the midfield three we play.

I'd always play Arteta because you could see the control he offers us in that position. Spraying passes, left and right, switching the ball seamlessly from defence to midfield. Our weakest games this season stem when he's either had a player marking him directly negating him or he's not playing. I don't think either Ramsey or Flamini have that tactical nous and orchestration from the middle.

Jack had that skill in my opinion but since that game against Barcelona he hasn't reproduced it.

That leaves two slots available. If it were up to me, I'd play Rosicky. But given his age, I think he needs to be wrapped in cotton wool and protected. So its a combination of Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshere, Cazorla, Flamini for the remaining two positions.

Its a good problem to have.

I think the biggest thing a player like Diego Costa offers us is a strong battling player who can play both wide and up front by themselves. Giroud for example has only one role and can only play that role.

Darknight02
05-01-2014, 03:28 PM
Our strikers are injured for starters.....we're gonna have to switch things up.

As you and someone else mention, Spurs came looking to attack, with a lightweight midfield.

Most teams - such as Cardiff for example - or even better tactical teams with better players such as Chelsea when they set out their stall against us with 5 in midfield and look to defend, can make us look very labored. Now I think in both those games we had plenty of chances to win the game showing that we still managed to make chances and efforts on goal which is excellent. But what I think yesterday showed us is that in Gnabry we have an outstanding player who can make a huge difference to the fluidity of our play in the attacking third.

In my honest opinion, he gives us an incredible option. Because he has pace, control, intelligence and strength, he can play from the flanks or the middle just as effectively. This is a different prospect to say someone like Wilshere or Ramsey who are far stronger in the middle.

The only thing is Gnabry is still very young of course and there will be good and bad games. But yesterday he was exceptional.

As you say, I hope yesterday shows Wenger that we have a unique talent on our hands that if things aren't going right, Wenger must not be afraid to get him on because he can easily hurt any team in the league.

Darknight02
05-01-2014, 03:33 PM
Yeah agree, it's good to see a player like Gnabry, he's very direct and plays at speed it's a refreshing change over the slow moving passers. Wilshere had a better 2nd half yesterday, but the more I see of him the more ordinary he appears to me, I just can't see the brilliance in this guy's game, he plays some short passes and sometimes manages a long pass but there's nothing particularly special on show, we've got an abundance of quality midfielders now and for me he's going down the pecking order all the time.

I can understand why you think like that.

For me he is a player who is at his best as a deep lying midfielder. And I still think its a shame he hasn't had a genuine chance to continue in that role. I still can't get his performance against Barcelona out of my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_pCG9Cmio

If you watch everything he does from that deep lying central midfield role, it is an astonishing performance. Totally complete performance. Shame he got injured and didn't get a chance to build on that performance in that role.

Having pace to be able to suddenly win the ball from a deep position and accelerate through the midfield from deep is a brilliant skill which only few people have. There are very few players who can be deep lying midfielders like that. Toni Kroos comes to mind even though he starts further forward, he always drops deep to play from there. Arteta is great at that, but even he doesn't have that ability to burst forward through like Jack does.

A player who played like that for Dortmund and Czech team was Rosicky. Mind you in Dortmund he played all over the park and there's a reason he was L'il Mozart. But for the Czech team when he was younger, the undisputed leader was Nedved. So Rosicky played as the deepest midfielder in a diamond. And despite being slight, he was brilliant. And it was his ability to control the ball, accelerate suddenly and reading of the game that allowed that.

I understand the frustration with Jack but I think if you watch that performance which was against three centre mids at the peak of their powers, there are very very very few players who could play like that in the game. And that's what I keep thinking gives me hope that he will develop.

Grebbo
05-01-2014, 04:04 PM
Our strikers are injured for starters.....we're gonna have to switch things up.

Giroud's not injured and I think Bendtner has only just recently been considered as a striker instead of a sumo wrestler.

Grebbo
05-01-2014, 04:08 PM
I can understand why you think like that.

For me he is a player who is at his best as a deep lying midfielder. And I still think its a shame he hasn't had a genuine chance to continue in that role. I still can't get his performance against Barcelona out of my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_pCG9Cmio

If you watch everything he does from that deep lying central midfield role, it is an astonishing performance. Totally complete performance. Shame he got injured and didn't get a chance to build on that performance in that role.

Having pace to be able to suddenly win the ball from a deep position and accelerate through the midfield from deep is a brilliant skill which only few people have. There are very few players who can be deep lying midfielders like that. Toni Kroos comes to mind even though he starts further forward, he always drops deep to play from there. Arteta is great at that, but even he doesn't have that ability to burst forward through like Jack does.

A player who played like that for Dortmund and Czech team was Rosicky. Mind you in Dortmund he played all over the park and there's a reason he was L'il Mozart. But for the Czech team when he was younger, the undisputed leader was Nedved. So Rosicky played as the deepest midfielder in a diamond. And despite being slight, he was brilliant. And it was his ability to control the ball, accelerate suddenly and reading of the game that allowed that.

I understand the frustration with Jack but I think if you watch that performance which was against three centre mids at the peak of their powers, there are very very very few players who could play like that in the game. And that's what I keep thinking gives me hope that he will develop.

Jack will be fine, he just needs games. He was MOTM a few days earlier against Cardiff. Against Spurs he played further back so wasn't as eye catching but was still decent once he stopped trying to pick a fight with Dembele.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
05-01-2014, 04:12 PM
And another Cazorla goal from the left hand side.

Power n Glory
05-01-2014, 04:35 PM
It was a fantastic strike. Theo and Gnarby player their role to create that space.

Syn
05-01-2014, 05:07 PM
It has been encouraging we easily we've managed to cope with injuries so far. At the start when we had no wingers with Podolski, Walcott and Cazorla out, we still got a great run of wins going. At that point it seemed like we'd be screwed if Ramsey got injured. Now Ramsey and Ozil - probably our two best players - are out, we're still managing. The lucky (but not really) part is that none of Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny and Szczesny have been out for long. An injury there, and the defensive record that has been our only advantage over the other teams could be under threat.

Özim
05-01-2014, 05:08 PM
I can understand why you think like that.

For me he is a player who is at his best as a deep lying midfielder. And I still think its a shame he hasn't had a genuine chance to continue in that role. I still can't get his performance against Barcelona out of my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_pCG9Cmio

If you watch everything he does from that deep lying central midfield role, it is an astonishing performance. Totally complete performance. Shame he got injured and didn't get a chance to build on that performance in that role.

Having pace to be able to suddenly win the ball from a deep position and accelerate through the midfield from deep is a brilliant skill which only few people have. There are very few players who can be deep lying midfielders like that. Toni Kroos comes to mind even though he starts further forward, he always drops deep to play from there. Arteta is great at that, but even he doesn't have that ability to burst forward through like Jack does.

A player who played like that for Dortmund and Czech team was Rosicky. Mind you in Dortmund he played all over the park and there's a reason he was L'il Mozart. But for the Czech team when he was younger, the undisputed leader was Nedved. So Rosicky played as the deepest midfielder in a diamond. And despite being slight, he was brilliant. And it was his ability to control the ball, accelerate suddenly and reading of the game that allowed that.

I understand the frustration with Jack but I think if you watch that performance which was against three centre mids at the peak of their powers, there are very very very few players who could play like that in the game. And that's what I keep thinking gives me hope that he will develop.

The problem is most players throughout their career have one of these stand out matches where they run the game, this season he's been more miss than hit for me, he's given possession away a lot and not really done that much in the attacking area of the field either, you see the occasional dribble and occasional decent pass but they are few and far between.

There's a lot of talent in our midfield, we can now throw in Gnabry who was absolutely brilliant yesterday and gives us another dimension to our play, sure he's still learning but what I love was the pace he injected in our play, too often with the likes of Wilshere the attacking play is so slow it's painful, to have a thrusting midfielder like him is a big bonus IMO. Rosicky also loves to drive forward and by playing a pacier game we also maximise Ozil's strengths (and Cazorla also seems comfortable breaking forward quickly).

Then we have Ramsey who's been great this season and bagged a fair few goals the the preferred defensive midfielders Arteta and Flamini and I start to question where Wilshere fits in other than being just a squad player at the moment (especially when Ox-Chamberlain comes back as he's another with bags of talent). He needs to develop his game and fast because he's getting left behind IMO and being made to look more and more ordinary by those around him.

If he is to play as defensive midfielder, he'll need to up his game considerably and improve his tackling, stop giving away simple pases and be far more disciplined, I see little evidence that he's doing that at the moment.

Thus far I don't see much development, of course he'll always get a break from the people desperately wanting to see an Englishman break through and succeed, by personally I don't care about that, I prefer a player to break through who makes our play better and more exciting to watch, from what I saw from Gnabry he could be that player, for me our play was much more like the play of 8 years ago which I'm all for.

Dein-machine
05-01-2014, 08:34 PM
If Theo's Ok for Villa we could play him up top with Ozil in No 10 roll. I know he drifts wide but we would get more out of him being central & with players getting beyond their full backs for him to feed. We can play Santi & Gnabbers in wider positions with Arteta & Rambo/Rosciky in CM. Very attack minded & we will murder a poor Villa defence.

mkkreuk
05-01-2014, 09:13 PM
great thread, if only for the bitterness:

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/5657-What-are-the-differences-between-Spurs-and-arsenal

Darknight02
05-01-2014, 10:32 PM
great thread, if only for the bitterness:

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/5657-What-are-the-differences-between-Spurs-and-arsenal

That is the funniest thread I have read.

What's really clear reading through this is just how much those insufferable degenerates all rate Wenger. Deep down, you can see the respect they have for his absolute quality!

Best quotes so far for me

"FFS even Frimpong hates Spurs and he's only made 8 appearances"

"Wenger said to Ozil in the summer: "I have Chesney in goal, Gibbs and Sagna at FB, Arteta, Wilshere and Ramsay in the middle with you, Giroud up front, and Walcott wide...and I want you to come and help us win the league".

If I was Ozil, I'd have thought, "Who the hell are those guys?? Never heard of any of them!" And yet Wenger sold him on the idea and is now delivering. How the hell did he make that sale? Wenger really is a special one, no doubt about it."

HAHAHAHA

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
05-01-2014, 10:47 PM
They sold their best chance of overtaking us when they got rid of Redknapp. Laugh all you want but it's true.

You read through that thread and you see a lot of Spurs fans talking about a mentality block when playing us or other big teams. With Redknapp that block disappeared. They used to come to the Emirates and play without fear. In fact, it was us who thought 'fucks sake we have Spurs next week'. He took them up another level.

They got rid of him and gave up on his project, causing massive upheaval once again. So many of those fans in that thread say we are better because we gave Wenger time and believed in his philosophy. Well Spurs bit the hand that fed them with Harry, he took over a team battling relegation and got them into the top 4 like they wanted.

Thank god Levy is a trigger happy cunt.

footloose, the wanderer
06-01-2014, 06:45 AM
2 thoughts after reading the Spurs piss&moan deviation

1) For most players, I'd suggest when thinking about the 2 clubs - Arsenal is a destination, WHL - ok that'll be ok for now

2) Going to Arsenal means for the most part that you've "bought into" the Wenger/Arsenal philosophy - going to WHL means accepting mediocrity for Levys cash

Transplanted Gooner
06-01-2014, 06:57 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdK5n5iIgAAsX2l.jpg:large

Transplanted Gooner
06-01-2014, 06:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/YrHVnXN.jpg

Grebbo
06-01-2014, 09:18 AM
Theo should copywright that

Grebbo
06-01-2014, 09:34 AM
This was the funniest comment on Glory Glory for me as the guy is being deadly serious:


Sandro, Paulinho, Capoue, Dembele, Holtby and Siggy is as good a line-up of CMs as there is in the league.

They seem to overrate their players massively whereas we tend to underrate ours.

Dein-machine
06-01-2014, 10:00 AM
Just made my monday morning by reading the Spuds thread. The prick that calls himself 7percent states things that happened a century ago as being the difference between us & them. He also says Spurs have never moved from their London home - No, but you fucking wanted to only to get beaten by West Ham. Honestly, Barnet are more of a threat to us than this lot.

Özim
06-01-2014, 10:53 AM
They seem to overrate their players massively whereas we tend to underrate ours.

I don't think there's too much underrating going on round these parts tbf.

Letters
06-01-2014, 11:00 AM
I don't think there's too much underrating going on round these parts tbf.
Not now but last year people were slagging off our players left right and centre, and it's not like we've signed a load of new first choice players for this season.

LDG
06-01-2014, 11:05 AM
Not now but last year people were slagging off our players left right and centre, and it's not like we've signed a load of new first choice players for this season.

Yes we have! We've signed one player! ONE!

The rest have just gotten good by luck.

Wenger has nothing to do with it either before you start....

Xhaka Can’t
06-01-2014, 11:06 AM
When it is going well, people tend to accentuate the positives and vice versa when it is not. Over the past couple of days, some people have been going nuts about Gnabry. Understandable as he had a fantastic match, but he is still a kid and the challenge for him will be maintaining that kind of form or regaining confidence when things don't go so well for him.

LDG
06-01-2014, 11:13 AM
When it is going well, people tend to accentuate the positives and vice versa when it is not. Over the past couple of days, some people have been going nuts about Gnabry. Understandable as he had a fantastic match, but he is still a kid and the challenge for him will be maintaining that kind of form or regaining confidence when things don't go so well for him.

I was going to post something similar about Gnabry this morning, but thought better of it in case I started an "argumement".

But the kid will have a few good games, and then some howlers too over coming seasons. Those howlers will inevitably lead to people branding him "shit".

Then others will hark back to this game, and cite them as reasons for him having the "potential" but for one reason or another he is unable to be consistent.

Then we'll all be praising another flavour of the month, and saying that he should be replacing Gnabry in the side, who is clearly not up to it.

And so the cycle goes.

Right now, Jack Wilshere is shit. Next year he won't be. Gnabry will be. And so will *randomly generates* Ozil.

Özim
06-01-2014, 11:38 AM
No.

Gnabry's talent is there for all to see, he'll have bad games but his talent can't be questioned, his pacey attacking is something we've lacked a long time.

Wilshere on the other hand I've never understood the hype about, he's not a top talent IMO, having seen plenty of him he's not a matchwinner and doesn't seem to possess any really special talent, if he wasn't English noone would give a monkeys about him, based on what I've seen of him so far I don't really rate him that highly, in addition to that his behaviour is questionnable.

Ox-Chamberlain I do rate highly despite him having produced little so far, but the talent is there for all to see, likewise with Gnabry, it might not work out for him but he certainly has something special about him.

I am invisible
06-01-2014, 11:39 AM
great thread, if only for the bitterness:

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/5657-What-are-the-differences-between-Spurs-and-arsenal
I love how many of them think the gap is closing and that they only need to clear "one last hurdle"! Sorry spuds, you had your chance for that and you blew it - the gap is only going to get wider again now, and this time it's gonna be forever...

Özim
06-01-2014, 11:40 AM
Yes we have! We've signed one player! ONE!

The rest have just gotten good by luck.

Wenger has nothing to do with it either before you start....

That's the impact big signings have on clubs, something many people didn't seem to understand before. The signing of Ozil may just be one signing but it's created a buzz around the club which has filtered through to the players and made them raise their game.

Some people have been saying this for years.

Grebbo
06-01-2014, 11:41 AM
When it is going well, people tend to accentuate the positives and vice versa when it is not. Over the past couple of days, some people have been going nuts about Gnabry. Understandable as he had a fantastic match, but he is still a kid and the challenge for him will be maintaining that kind of form or regaining confidence when things don't go so well for him.

I understand that but Spud fans tend to overrate their players even when things aren't going well. I'd bet money that 9/10 Spud fans would say Dawson and Lennon are better players than Merts and Walcott. They're a very odd bunch, much like scousers.

I'm surprised Levy spunked all of the Bale cash so quickly. I thought he was smarter than that. They'd of been off just buying two really good players instead of trying to integrate 5/6 decent players all at once.

Grebbo
06-01-2014, 11:42 AM
That's the impact big signings have on clubs, something many people didn't seem to understand before. The signing of Ozil may just be one signing but it's created a buzz around the club which has filtered through to the players and made them raise their game.

Some people have been saying this for years.

Our players have also naturally just got better, young players tend to do that.

Letters
06-01-2014, 11:50 AM
That's the impact big signings have on clubs, something many people didn't seem to understand before. The signing of Ozil may just be one signing but it's created a buzz around the club which has filtered through to the players and made them raise their game.

Some people have been saying this for years.
Some people have been saying that we didn't just need one big signing but that we were miles away from a side that could win the title and needed quite a few major signings if we were to compete...

Özim
06-01-2014, 11:55 AM
Some people have been saying that we didn't just need one big signing but that we were miles away from a side that could win the title and needed quite a few major signings if we were to compete...

Not so hard to understand given our performances in the last few seasons tbh. The Ozil signing has clearly had a bigger impact than most thought, though some of the other players have also improved dramatically which couldn't have been predicted.

It's halfway through the season right now and there's a long way to go, I still personally think we need 1-2 more players to win it.

Özim
06-01-2014, 11:57 AM
Our players have also naturally just got better, young players tend to do that.

That's true some of them have, I think that has been aided by their excitement of playing alongside a player of his quality as well.

Grebbo
06-01-2014, 12:01 PM
That's true some of them have, I think that has been aided by their excitement of playing alongside a player of his quality as well.

Signing Ozil certainly helped but I'm not sure how much. It's difficult to calculate. Merts has clearly got better through learning the league, Giroud was always going to be better in his second season. You've then got youngsters like Chesney and Ramsey who have just naturally progressed and sicknotes like Rosicky and Wilshere have been relatively injury free.

LDG
06-01-2014, 12:18 PM
No.

Gnabry's talent is there for all to see, he'll have bad games but his talent can't be questioned, his pacey attacking is something we've lacked a long time.

Wilshere on the other hand I've never understood the hype about, he's not a top talent IMO, having seen plenty of him he's not a matchwinner and doesn't seem to possess any really special talent, if he wasn't English noone would give a monkeys about him, based on what I've seen of him so far I don't really rate him that highly, in addition to that his behaviour is questionnable.

Ox-Chamberlain I do rate highly despite him having produced little so far, but the talent is there for all to see, likewise with Gnabry, it might not work out for him but he certainly has something special about him.

What a load of crap. Sorry, but you have only seen glimpses of Gnabry and to a degree AOC. Yes they have potential, and bags of talent and I can see them being incredibly good players, but the same is true of Wilshere.

Jack, whilst a couple of years ahead in terms of seniority and playing time, isn't yet consistent (various reasons fos this IMO, not least over a year out through injury...nb see Ramsey). But to say he has no talent :lol:

I really don't get you sometimes. If you honestly believed that, I would seriously consider your ability to read a football game. But as I think this has more to do with your stubborn likes and dislikes, I won't let myself get too in depth about it.

Power n Glory
06-01-2014, 12:21 PM
The problem is most players throughout their career have one of these stand out matches where they run the game, this season he's been more miss than hit for me, he's given possession away a lot and not really done that much in the attacking area of the field either, you see the occasional dribble and occasional decent pass but they are few and far between.

There's a lot of talent in our midfield, we can now throw in Gnabry who was absolutely brilliant yesterday and gives us another dimension to our play, sure he's still learning but what I love was the pace he injected in our play, too often with the likes of Wilshere the attacking play is so slow it's painful, to have a thrusting midfielder like him is a big bonus IMO. Rosicky also loves to drive forward and by playing a pacier game we also maximise Ozil's strengths (and Cazorla also seems comfortable breaking forward quickly).

Then we have Ramsey who's been great this season and bagged a fair few goals the the preferred defensive midfielders Arteta and Flamini and I start to question where Wilshere fits in other than being just a squad player at the moment (especially when Ox-Chamberlain comes back as he's another with bags of talent). He needs to develop his game and fast because he's getting left behind IMO and being made to look more and more ordinary by those around him.

If he is to play as defensive midfielder, he'll need to up his game considerably and improve his tackling, stop giving away simple pases and be far more disciplined, I see little evidence that he's doing that at the moment.

Thus far I don't see much development, of course he'll always get a break from the people desperately wanting to see an Englishman break through and succeed, by personally I don't care about that, I prefer a player to break through who makes our play better and more exciting to watch, from what I saw from Gnabry he could be that player, for me our play was much more like the play of 8 years ago which I'm all for.

Wilshere is having a bad patch and he wouldn’t be first on my team sheet. When he first bounced on the scene he played with intelligence and awareness. That seems to have gone and he keeps giving the ball away. Unless we’re short on numbers in the middle of the park, he should be playing from the bench and made to force his way back into the team. Even though he’s looking shabby today, we don’t know how he’ll look next year. I think it will suddenly click for him. Or at least I hope.

Gnarby looked like a nothing player when he first bounced on the scene but then all of a sudden he’s had this performance and he looks like the real deal. But saying that, I remember when Ox made his debut and the excitement surrounding him. The following season he was disappointing and was nothing like we saw the season before. You just don’t know how players will turn out. I still remember Denilson’s debut season. He was terrific and seemed to play with such intelligence but could also tackle with aggression. I have no idea what happened to that kid. We also have Ramsey as the reverse of that. Wilshere will have to work his butt off to get back to his best. It will be hard for him to win his place back if he loses it because I think Wenger is done with the charity. Days of players like Denilson racking up over 150 appearances without doing anything of note are over.

LDG
06-01-2014, 12:24 PM
Wilshere is having a bad patch and he wouldn’t be first on my team sheet. When he first bounced on the scene he played with intelligence and awareness. That seems to have gone and he keeps giving the ball away. Unless we’re short on numbers in the middle of the park, he should be playing from the bench and made to force his way back into the team. Even though he’s looking shabby today, we don’t know how he’ll look next year. I think it will suddenly click for him. Or at least I hope.

Gnarby looked like a nothing player when he first bounced on the scene but then all of a sudden he’s had this performance and he looks like the real deal. But saying that, I remember when Ox made his debut and the excitement surrounding him. The following season he was disappointing and was nothing like we saw the season before. You just don’t know how players will turn out. I still remember Denilson’s debut season. He was terrific and seemed to play with such intelligence but could also tackle with aggression. I have no idea what happened to that kid. We also have Ramsey as the reverse of that. Wilshere will have to work his butt off to get back to his best. It will be hard for him to win his place back if he loses it because I think Wenger is done with the charity. Days of players like Denilson racking up over 150 appearances without doing anything of note are over.

Agreed.

EDIT: though I should say, he's looked pretty decent the last few games.

Power n Glory
06-01-2014, 12:45 PM
I think he needs to get back to the basics and keep things simple. He’ll take two or three touches when only one is needed, he’ll try to dance through players when a simple pass is needed and it’s costly. It slows us down and we usually end up getting hit on the break whilst he’s laid out on the floor. It’s very frustrating. When he first arrived on the scene, his dribbling was fantastic and he’d skip past players with ease. I thought he’d be better as a winger and couldn’t imagine him being much better in the centre even though that’s where he played in the reserves and where Wenger kept saying he’d play. When he finally stepped into that role, he was good and I was surprised by his work rate. But he really needs to work on his passing and shooting. His end product is lacking but even if he’s not racking up Cesc numbers for assists or hitting screamers like Ramsey, he can at least learn from Rosicky and just speed up our game. Be that vital cog in the system that speeds our game up and can control the midfield. When he takes too many touches and tries to dribble too much, besides losing the ball, we miss opportunities to play the smarter pass that can move us from defence to attack. It may suddenly click for him next year but Wenger doesn’t have to overplay him like last year.

Özim
06-01-2014, 01:16 PM
Wilshere is having a bad patch and he wouldn’t be first on my team sheet. When he first bounced on the scene he played with intelligence and awareness. That seems to have gone and he keeps giving the ball away. Unless we’re short on numbers in the middle of the park, he should be playing from the bench and made to force his way back into the team. Even though he’s looking shabby today, we don’t know how he’ll look next year. I think it will suddenly click for him. Or at least I hope.

Gnarby looked like a nothing player when he first bounced on the scene but then all of a sudden he’s had this performance and he looks like the real deal. But saying that, I remember when Ox made his debut and the excitement surrounding him. The following season he was disappointing and was nothing like we saw the season before. You just don’t know how players will turn out. I still remember Denilson’s debut season. He was terrific and seemed to play with such intelligence but could also tackle with aggression. I have no idea what happened to that kid. We also have Ramsey as the reverse of that. Wilshere will have to work his butt off to get back to his best. It will be hard for him to win his place back if he loses it because I think Wenger is done with the charity. Days of players like Denilson racking up over 150 appearances without doing anything of note are over.

I agree with this, but I've never really got the fuss over Wilshere to be honest, for me he's not a top talent, he's done the ordinary things pretty well when he's on form without blowing you away with his ability.

As for the others, noone knows how they will turn out, but I just like the way Gnabry plays, our game was so much more exciting when he drove forward and didn't dwell on the ball like some of the others, IMO our midfield is just too slow paced with the likes of Wilshere in it.

Özim
06-01-2014, 01:22 PM
I think he needs to get back to the basics and keep things simple. He’ll take two or three touches when only one is needed, he’ll try to dance through players when a simple pass is needed and it’s costly. It slows us down and we usually end up getting hit on the break whilst he’s laid out on the floor. It’s very frustrating. When he first arrived on the scene, his dribbling was fantastic and he’d skip past players with ease. I thought he’d be better as a winger and couldn’t imagine him being much better in the centre even though that’s where he played in the reserves and where Wenger kept saying he’d play. When he finally stepped into that role, he was good and I was surprised by his work rate. But he really needs to work on his passing and shooting. His end product is lacking but even if he’s not racking up Cesc numbers for assists or hitting screamers like Ramsey, he can at least learn from Rosicky and just speed up our game. Be that vital cog in the system that speeds our game up and can control the midfield. When he takes too many touches and tries to dribble too much, besides losing the ball, we miss opportunities to play the smarter pass that can move us from defence to attack. It may suddenly click for him next year but Wenger doesn’t have to overplay him like last year.

I find him incredibly frustrating to watch to be honest, from the simple passes he gives away, half arsed challenges in key areas, to the attempted dribbles into no man's land, like you say little end product and in addition he really slows our game down.

The other day he was awful in the 1st half and better in the 2nd, without really doing anything of note, when he's not performing he's a liability though who is likely to make an error gifting our opponents a chance.

Letters
06-01-2014, 01:23 PM
Not so hard to understand given our performances in the last few seasons tbh. The Ozil signing has clearly had a bigger impact than most thought, though some of the other players have also improved dramatically which couldn't have been predicted.

It's halfway through the season right now and there's a long way to go, I still personally think we need 1-2 more players to win it.
Just 1, IMO. Top class striker and we'd be very close.

Özim
06-01-2014, 01:35 PM
Agreed.

EDIT: though I should say, he's looked pretty decent the last few games.

He was decent against Cardiff, rubbish against Newcastle and average against Spurs, so I wouldn't say he's looked decent in the last few games.

Özim
06-01-2014, 01:44 PM
Just 1, IMO. Top class striker and we'd be very close.

Yes a striker is priority, though if we could find a winger as well that would be handy.

LDG
06-01-2014, 01:56 PM
I think he needs to get back to the basics and keep things simple. He’ll take two or three touches when only one is needed, he’ll try to dance through players when a simple pass is needed and it’s costly. It slows us down and we usually end up getting hit on the break whilst he’s laid out on the floor. It’s very frustrating. When he first arrived on the scene, his dribbling was fantastic and he’d skip past players with ease. I thought he’d be better as a winger and couldn’t imagine him being much better in the centre even though that’s where he played in the reserves and where Wenger kept saying he’d play. When he finally stepped into that role, he was good and I was surprised by his work rate. But he really needs to work on his passing and shooting. His end product is lacking but even if he’s not racking up Cesc numbers for assists or hitting screamers like Ramsey, he can at least learn from Rosicky and just speed up our game. Be that vital cog in the system that speeds our game up and can control the midfield. When he takes too many touches and tries to dribble too much, besides losing the ball, we miss opportunities to play the smarter pass that can move us from defence to attack. It may suddenly click for him next year but Wenger doesn’t have to overplay him like last year.

Completely agree.

It's a bit like Ramsey a year or so ago. You sometimes have to work on the simple things first before you can crank it up and start doing the fancy bits. It's about maturity in decision making really.

That little dash, and then sandwich by players, ending with Jack on the floor is all to common. He should be playing the simple ball and moving into space. The rest follows that....

As long as he keeps his feet on the ground and digs in, he'll be a fantastic player.

Niall_Quinn
06-01-2014, 02:06 PM
I think he needs to get back to the basics and keep things simple. He’ll take two or three touches when only one is needed, he’ll try to dance through players when a simple pass is needed and it’s costly. It slows us down and we usually end up getting hit on the break whilst he’s laid out on the floor. It’s very frustrating. When he first arrived on the scene, his dribbling was fantastic and he’d skip past players with ease. I thought he’d be better as a winger and couldn’t imagine him being much better in the centre even though that’s where he played in the reserves and where Wenger kept saying he’d play. When he finally stepped into that role, he was good and I was surprised by his work rate. But he really needs to work on his passing and shooting. His end product is lacking but even if he’s not racking up Cesc numbers for assists or hitting screamers like Ramsey, he can at least learn from Rosicky and just speed up our game. Be that vital cog in the system that speeds our game up and can control the midfield. When he takes too many touches and tries to dribble too much, besides losing the ball, we miss opportunities to play the smarter pass that can move us from defence to attack. It may suddenly click for him next year but Wenger doesn’t have to overplay him like last year.

Jumped in at the last page and thought this was about Walcott, because it fits so well. Walcott has been inconsistent and often worse for years but suddenly is doing the simple things much better, playing with some intelligence at long last, concentrating on the first touch, rejecting runs into blind alleys. All these faults were Walcott's trademark but he's started to correct them and turn things around. Ramsey, Merts, Kos, Ches, all improving beyond the players we thought they could ever be. Wilshere was an English prodigy for his age, not a world prodigy but an English one which is not as impressive but marked him out nonetheless. Then he had to jump in and fill Fabregas' boots, then he got a career threatening injury and had to fight back from that, now he's getting back up to scratch. He'll be a marvellous asset to this club in coming seasons. He's still a kid. And if everyone else sustains these improvements and we can add maybe a couple more names either now or in the summer I think we have some exciting times ahead.

Power n Glory
06-01-2014, 02:49 PM
Jumped in at the last page and thought this was about Walcott, because it fits so well. Walcott has been inconsistent and often worse for years but suddenly is doing the simple things much better, playing with some intelligence at long last, concentrating on the first touch, rejecting runs into blind alleys. All these faults were Walcott's trademark but he's started to correct them and turn things around. Ramsey, Merts, Kos, Ches, all improving beyond the players we thought they could ever be. Wilshere was an English prodigy for his age, not a world prodigy but an English one which is not as impressive but marked him out nonetheless. Then he had to jump in and fill Fabregas' boots, then he got a career threatening injury and had to fight back from that, now he's getting back up to scratch. He'll be a marvellous asset to this club in coming seasons. He's still a kid. And if everyone else sustains these improvements and we can add maybe a couple more names either now or in the summer I think we have some exciting times ahead.

Walcott is a slightly different issue. A few seasons ago, he’d hug the touchline more, try to take on his man and run with the ball. He’d often get it badly wrong. His crossing and delivery has improved but he’s stopped dribbling on the ball. When was the last time you’ve seen him pick the ball up from deep and try to beat his man? He’s having quieter games but popping up with the assist and goal. He’s no longer trying to be creative and driving the ball forward, he’s now playing like a wide number 9 striker. It’s the same for Podolski on the other side of the pitch and why they can appear to be anonymous during games. Walcott has improved but I would say it’s down to him looking to receive the ball in the final third. After the contract talks about the striker role, he’s not playing the same way. I think Wenger has reminded him again of the role Ljungberg had in our team. I still think he’d be deadly as a striker.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
06-01-2014, 03:13 PM
There were times as recently as last season where Wilshere was our best player and even carrying us....particularly before January. I think that is easy to forget.

I maintain that he is a top talent and I'd even go as far as saying that I think Wilshere will prove to be at the level of, if not better than Ramsey with enough time. That is something we will get to see over the next few years providing he is still with us and still relatively injury free.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
06-01-2014, 03:38 PM
On Gnabry, it was a really mature and positive game from him but imo he's been a bit unfortunate to see so few minutes since his last showing. I think he has generally acquitted himself well whenever he has been on the field this season.

Obviously, Wenger is 'managing' him a little, by bringing him in and out of the team which helps to control the ebb and flow of hype, pressure and expectation.....But I won't object to him being used a lot more than he is.

Letters
06-01-2014, 03:57 PM
No action by the FA re:Walcott. :faint:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25628803

GP
06-01-2014, 03:59 PM
that's a shame, I thought he'd at least get a medal.

milla
06-01-2014, 04:06 PM
On Gnabry, it was a really mature and positive game from him but imo he's been a bit unfortunate to see so few minutes since his last showing. I think he has generally acquitted himself well whenever he has been on the field this season.

Obviously, Wenger is 'managing' him a little, by bringing him in and out of the team which helps to control the ebb and flow of hype, pressure and expectation.....But I won't object to him being used a lot more than he is.

Definitely we should use Gnabry a lot more. Gnabry's pace and movement up front would be great against high pressing team like Soton or Citeh.

Marc Overmars
06-01-2014, 04:16 PM
The right decision on Theo. I don't think he was trying to incite trouble, it was just a bit of harmless banter after most likely receiving dogs abuse. Football fans can be wankers at the best of times so I don't see an issue with a player responding in this type of manner.

McNamara That Ghost...
06-01-2014, 06:23 PM
Theo out for six months.

Jesus wept.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/theo-walcott-ruled-out-for-six-months

Syn
06-01-2014, 06:25 PM
Oh just fuck off.

Power n Glory
06-01-2014, 06:25 PM
Gutted! Misses the World Cup too.

fakeyank
06-01-2014, 06:36 PM
Ox should be back soon but we NEED a striker!! Come on Vinegar!!

And we need to sign Sagna up before he signs for some cunt club in France.. I dont know what the hold up is. Come on bitches!! :angry:

Xhaka Can’t
06-01-2014, 07:02 PM
This really is horrific news.

I'm gutted for the guy.

LDG
06-01-2014, 07:04 PM
Piddle.

Get well soon Feo.

:(

Wenger. You know what to do :threaten:

Niall_Quinn
06-01-2014, 10:05 PM
No action by the FA re:Walcott. :faint:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25628803

Correct decision, he did absolutely nothing wrong. And if he did, then I guess they'll have to stop goal celebrations and shit like that. Goal celebrations surely wind the opposition fans up more than anything else?