The Welbz Thread (official)

[Master Splinter]

Rated as the new Sanogo with a hint of Gervinho.

And do not forget he has a lovely smile.

Welbz is coming home :scarf:.

[Niall_Quinn]

He can fuck himself. If he comes anywhere near the Emirates I'll injure him myself, before our medical team get their hands on him.

[Master Splinter]

He can fuck himself. If he comes anywhere near the Emirates I'll injure him myself, before our medical team get their hands on him.

100% lie.

edit: 100% dive.

[Syn]

Want to sign him only so you lot who've been taking the piss out of him will have to support him. #Decent player but not at the quality needed. Better off taking a punt on Walcott at CF.

[Master Splinter]

Want to sign him only so you lot who've been taking the piss out of him will have to support him. #Decent player but not at the quality needed. Better off taking a punt on Walcott at CF.

Support him?

Arsenal misanthropes fans would extract misery out of the situation if he scored 40 goals over a season and a hat-trick in the CL final to complete the treble.

[Dein-machine]

He can fuck himself. If he comes anywhere near the Emirates I'll injure him myself, before our medical team get their hands on him.

No - leave it to our medical team, they'll do a better job

[Letters]

No - leave it to our medical team, they'll do a better job
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121204135112/trollpasta/images/1/13/Thats_the_joke.jpg

[Syn]

This might actually happen.

GW :haha:

Welbz :bow:

Great trier.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'll boo that cunt no matter what shirt he's disgracing.

But if it does happen, don't people get it? Utd a club on the slide, out of Europe, a general joke, dip their hand in their pocket and produce Di Maria and Falcao. Then they send their cast off to us. So he can miss chances here instead of there. Not content with fucking us over with Silvestre and then nicking RvC now they are rubbing our noses in this turd.

[Marc Overmars]

All joking aside, I've always rated his work ethic, constantly pressing just like Alexis, but of course that's where the comparisons end...

If it happens then so be it, it's a new option up front and hopefully Wenget can turn him into a player worth having.

[Niall_Quinn]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Penguin]

Better than Sanogo...

[GP]

Always rated him.

DJ Jazzy Welbeck :bow:

[GP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwd3W1rIMAA5sVl.png

[The Verminator]

David Ornstein
BBC Sport
Welbeck latest
Posted at 20:03
"There is interest from Arsenal in Danny Welbeck, but this deal is complicated by a number of conversations that are taking place between Manchester United, Arsenal and the player.
"This is a bit messy because Tottenham are also involved and there are various agendas at stake. It could happen but at this stage it is not advanced."

I would have been delighted if we'd got Falcao but Welbeck is a very promising striker. Shits all over Sanogo - really hope this happens!

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Far from convinced this will happen....but I agree with Syn and Overmars on him. I quite like him, but his goal record has tended to make a mockery of liking what I see in him as a player.

Quite ironic really as like Power and Gloryhole, his hair cut has always annoyed me.

[ARightTouch]

Rather sign Webeck than no one.

Therefore, get the deal done!! Anything to put Sanogo on the bench, I just cannot watch 3 months of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwd3W1rIMAA5sVl.png

Horrific

[BOBN]

Quit acting like you guys are discerning fans.

Podolski exists at this club on 100k a week without a peep. in fact hes a "fans favourite"

You guys like shyt strikers so pipe down.

Welbeck would be the best striker weve had in years.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wenger wants to spend but the board have been holding money back :haha:

[AKBapologist]

IT'S ON.

[Master Splinter]

He can cover a lot of positions too.

Most importantly, centre-back.

Best defensive striker since Heskey and Kuyt.

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu8MA8ctYw

[GP]

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david (https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david) 55s (https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/506537358385504256)
#AFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AFC?src=hash) have agreement with #MUFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MUFC?src=hash) for permanent Welbeck signing. Fee in region of £16m, no issues expected with medical & terms #bbcdeadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/bbcdeadlineday?src=hash)

[cheesy bites]

Why don't we actually look at the opinions of people who watch him regularly, rather than Arsenal fans reading about how he played on Twitter or from their mate down the pub

Redcafe:

He suits Arsenal to a tee. Great for Danny, great for Arsenal, might not matter to United, he clearly wasn't in our plans if we're going the Falcao route and are fine with him going to Arsenal.

Absolutely gutted.

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Strengths: everything

Weaknesses: not being a foreign 40million pound player so not rated by idiots.

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Should have gotten more for him, imo. He is not even 24 yet.

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I don't think he is. The problem I have with this transfer is that we are strengthening a side that we are in direct competition with for a Champions League spot. Giroud is out until the end of the year/beginning of next year and they're stuck with erratic Sanogo as their first choice, so why sell give them Welbeck? For all his flaws, Welbeck offers Arsenal better link-up play and hold-up play than Giroud and Sanogo and gives them a different dimension in terms of the runs he makes. He obviously has the right to leave the club if Van Gaal has told him he's not a key player or whatever, but selling him to a rival (in their current position) shouldn't happen.

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Brilliant work by Arsenal. Welbeck is the sort of striker who can add some heart and grit for them as well as being very all-round. Terrible, absolutely shockingly poor decision from us to let him go.


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I'm furious, everyone is going to see him kick on now. He has all the skills his game just needs polishing by playing upfront week in week out. He may very well end up being the reason why we don't get into the top 4. Strengthening a direct rival makes no sense t me, hopefully they don't get a dm or a cb.

[AKBapologist]

Prays

[Niall_Quinn]

They're taking the piss out of us.

Maybe all that's true. But what we have signed is another striker who can't score goals. And a manc at that. And we paid enough for them to go and land Falcao. There's no upside to this one.

[cheesy bites]

They're taking the piss out of us.

Maybe all that's true. But what we have signed is another striker who can't score goals. And a manc at that. And we paid enough for them to go and land Falcao. There's no upside to this one.

Because Henry and van Persie were prolific when we signed them.

[Master Splinter]

A successful transfer thread from me :bow:.

I won't be apologising for this.

[cheesy bites]

A successful transfer thread from me :bow:.

I won't be apologising for this.

Please make a Hummels thread in January

[Niall_Quinn]

Because Henry and van Persie were prolific when we signed them.

Well if he becomes prolific between now and the next game, agreed, bonus. We had Bergkamp around when those other lads were finding their feet.

[Syn]

Been saying he's a decent player for ages. But he's not ideal because his finishing is far from prolific and he's as clumsy as Adebayor. Positives are that Wenger's got a couple of forwards in Welbeck and Sanchez who'll press from the front. He's an intelligent player and likes one-touch link up stuff that he probably wasn't suited to at Man Utd. Not sure we can use him as the battering ram that Wenger likes using Giroud for, but he hasn't had a chance in that role yet.

It's a fairly low-risk signing. If it all goes south he's a young, England international forward so the same guys that keep buying Shane Long will sign him for £15m. I don't expect a lot of goals from him but hopefully he's a useful cog in the line up and we can start clicking with good movement in the final third.

[Niall_Quinn]

Been saying he's a decent player for ages. But he's not ideal because his finishing is far from prolific and he's as clumsy as Adebayor. Positives are that Wenger's got a couple of forwards in Welbeck and Sanchez who'll press from the front. He's an intelligent player and likes one-touch link up stuff that he probably wasn't suited to at Man Utd. Not sure we can use him as the battering ram that Wenger likes using Giroud for, but he hasn't had a chance in that role yet.

It's a fairly low-risk signing. If it all goes south he's a young, England international forward so the same guys that keep buying Shane Long will sign him for £15m. I don't expect a lot of goals from him but hopefully he's a useful cog in the line up and we can start clicking with good movement in the final third.

Doesn't that all translate to tippy tappy?

[Master Splinter]

The new Thomas Muller.

[Syn]

The Manchester United and England striker wants to play a more central role for club and country. “I’d like to play central,” he said. “I’ve been playing on the left for a while and it’s got to the time where I want to stake a place up front.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10855648/World-Cup-2014-England-striker-Danny-Welbeck-keen-to-take-centre-stage-as-Brazil-beckons.html

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Always been a major fan. :coffee:

[Marc Overmars]

Always been a major fan. :coffee:

It's fair to say we all have tbh.

Wonderful signing.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10855648/World-Cup-2014-England-striker-Danny-Welbeck-keen-to-take-centre-stage-as-Brazil-beckons.html

Why did he come here then? We play everyone on the wing.

[LDG]

It's safe to say it's the surprise of the window. Nobody saw it coming.

And by surprise, I mean like rape.

[Niall_Quinn]

So I suppose he'll get injured for the rest of the season playing for England anyway.

[Unai Tea]

He's at least on par with Giroud and certainly offers a different dimension. He might improve, certainly. He's still pretty young. I'm not sure he's ever really been given a chance at Utd.

It's not something to go apeshit over, but it might turn out to be a very good transaction. And at the very least we won;t have to suffer as much Sanogo while Giroud is dead.

[Letters]

Unbelievable options :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

He doesn't score goals. If that changes then fine. But if it doesn't then this is a pointless punt.

[Unai Tea]

He doesn't score goals. If that changes then fine. But if it doesn't then this is a pointless punt.

He scores as many as Giroud on an equal footing and certainly scores a fuckload more than Sanogo...

[Munchies]

He was on £75k at United apparently

On atleast £100k+

[hobson's choice]

Oh well, he's our now, go Danny Wellbeck, im so numb to this shit now

[Letters]

It's safe to say it's the surprise of the window. Nobody saw it coming.

And by surprise, I mean like rape.
:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

He scores as many as Giroud on an equal footing and certainly scores a fuckload more than Sanogo...

If Sanogo is the benchmark the of course, everyone is a world beater. Giroud isn't good enough either. A quality out and out striker is what we needed. As it turns out there were plenty available this window. We bagged none of them. We have yet another classic Wenger jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none player on the books now. I'm sure he'll fit in very well with the tippy tappy regime.

On the other hand, if you tell me we're going to change the way we play and unleash strikers directly through the middle with fast back to front play then I could get a little more interested in this deal. As it is, when even Ozil can't make amything work in the congested clap-trap of a system we play then I can't see what Welbeck will bring.

Still, all we can do is hope I'm wrong and you're right but you can't say we haven't been here, seen it, done it, bought the £80 quid shirt.

[Unai Tea]

If Sanogo is the benchmark the of course, everyone is a world beater. Giroud isn't good enough either. A quality out and out striker is what we needed. As it turns out there were plenty available this window. We bagged none of them. We have yet another classic Wenger jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none player on the books now. I'm sure he'll fit in very well with the tippy tappy regime.

On the other hand, if you tell me we're going to change the way we play and unleash strikers directly through the middle with fast back to front play then I could get a little more interested in this deal. As it is, when even Ozil can't make amything work in the congested clap-trap of a system we play then I can't see what Welbeck will bring.

Still, all we can do is hope I'm wrong and you're right but you can't say we haven't been here, seen it, done it, bought the £80 quid shirt.

I'm not suggesting any of that. What I'm saying is that it's not the worst thing to happen in the world ever. Worst case scenario we at least have one more body between the pitch and Sanogo. Best case scenario, Welbeck develops a bit with us and with game time, playing through the middle.

And in terms of changing how we play, to some extent, if we face 11 behind the ball there's not a great deal of back to front you can do. But if you imagine a Sanchez-Welbeck-Walcott front three, if we ever get a chance to play counterattacking football, we should be able to be very quick from one end of the pitch to the other. Probably scuff the ball to the keeper when we get there but there you go.

[Penguin]

You can see why Wenger likes him; he's quick, has good ball control, he's a good passer and he's a shit finisher. Everything Wenger likes in a striker :lol:

Nah but seriously I wasn't expecting us to sign any striker, so Welbeck is definitely a bonus. I would genuinely fear for our top four spot if we had to rely on Sanogo for four months.

[Özim]

Someone tell me we're not signing Wellbeck, because if we do let's all shut up shop and give up the guy couldn't score if you paid a hooker to do him.

What a terrible terrible signing he would be, don't know what would posess anyone to sign this sorry excuse for a footballer, on the brightside Sanogo will have someone to at least on a par with him when it comes to missing the target.

[AKBapologist]

Done deal.

Upgrade on Giroud imo.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Fast.

Mobile.

Presses defenders.

:bow:

[1_nilto the arsenal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwz3VGuehnMIMO he is better than Giroud, Podolski and by far a better player than Sanogo.

[AKBapologist]

Also, he heard spurs was interested. Decided to take matters in to his own hands.

Liking him more and more already.

[Marc Overmars]

Fast.

Mobile.

Presses defenders.

:bow:

Pretty much.

Wonderful signing.

New Ian Wright.

[AKBapologist]

http://twitter.com/StadiaNation/status/506554897362616320/photo/1

[1_nilto the arsenal]

He blew of the Spuds and said it was Arsenal or nothing to Man Ure Board. Also said he doesnt want to go on loan proving he is committed 100% and not just coming over to get away from Utd until LVG gets his marching orders, Fair play to you Danny boy, already loving the idea of you wearing an Arsenal shirt. When was the last time we had a No 9 England striker at Arsenal?? Super Mac :)

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We've now got some real pace up front and a player that'll work his socks off and defend right from the front.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzF1p-N5IFQ&feature=player_embedded

[LDG]

http://twitter.com/StadiaNation/status/506554897362616320/photo/1

Sanogo?

0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000infinity

[Özim]

Its Silvestre Mark II, please someone tell me this is a horrible nightmare and I'm going to wake up......16 million as well, that's about 8 million a goal with his scoring rate, Man U sure know how to stitch us up, they get Falcoa we get a dud.

Pretty much everyone on this board has taken the p*ss out of him at some point calling him stuff like Wellsh*t, now we've decided to sign him, god help us.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So I suppose he'll get injured for the rest of the season playing for England anyway.

hopefully

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

for me it's the worst thing to have happened since September 11th

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Daniel Nii Tackie Mensah Welbeck. :bow:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

At least the media will pipe down a bit and stop giving us so much grief.

We have a young English player spearheading our attack.

They'll want him to do well.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwek_lWCYAA9nVm.jpg

[Heisenberg]

Took action to avoid deadline day, come home to Danny Welbeck :haha:

Always rated him, tbf :bow:

[bunsco]

If you imagine a Sanchez-Welbeck-Walcott front three, if we ever get a chance to play counterattacking football, we should be able to be very quick from one end of the pitch to the other. Probably scuff the ball to the keeper when we get there but there you go.

:haha:

[Xhaka Can’t]

"Signing of the day" according to that shifty bloke on the BBC that hangs around outside off licences, looking menacing.

[Xhaka Can’t]

for me it's the worst thing to have happened since September 11th

Don't be stupid, its not even the 2nd yet.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Walcott - Ozil - Sanchez

------ Welbeck ------



Fucking quality line up.

Wenger is back.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140902/arsenal-sign-england-forward-welbeck

Official it is.

[Syn]

:scarf:

Good luck to him.

[Bumble]

At least we have pace in the side now. Sign usain bolt and we have a dangerous 4x100 relay team.

He works hard and tries hard so that's a start and more than Giroud.

Might as well give benefit of the doubt.

Welcome Daniel.

[Thierrymon]

Can he also play in defense?

[fakeyank]

Welbeck Walcott Sanchez Ox :dance:

Hopefully our system adjusts to accommodate pace and get the best out of these players. Sick of the tippy tappy BS!

[fakeyank]

We need to get a defender in. Can we sign players from N. America now? There are some big black dudes available..

[Niall_Quinn]

If this causes us to ditch that tippy tappy he'll be our best signing since Chambers.

[Ralpheroo72]

Im warming to the idea now. If he pushes on like Sturridge at Liverpool, we may be on to something. He has pace, and will be a target for our 73 small zippy midfielders.

[Alpha]

No one was rating Sturridge at City and Chelsea . Even when he joined Liverpool , he was still missing sitters . But look what kind of striker he has developed . Wellbeck is young and will have a point to prove especially against United .
We create so many chances with no one in the box to put them away . At least we got someone who will be a constant threat . His finishing will improve with time .

[Niall_Quinn]

Im warming to the idea now. If he pushes on like Sturridge at Liverpool, we may be on to something. He has pace, and will be a target for our 73 small zippy midfielders.

I suppose there's still a foul taste and stench since the last player we brought in from Utd. If, if, if, if, Welbeck pushes on like Sturridge then of course we can't complain and this is a good deal. If he keeps on playing like he did for Utd then we've ended up with Gervinho again. I want to see Ox and Walcott take the league by storm this year, then I'll have some confidence Wenger can still bring the best out of these types of players. At least it's obvious who we drop to play him and at least we will now play 11 vs 11 instead of 10 vs 12. I don't like the idea of Utd players at the club, not at all. But he turned down the spuds so I guess he's on the right road. I wouldn't say I'm warming to it but my enthusiasm has risen a few degrees from -273C

[Niall_Quinn]

Wages are £115kpw according to Telegraph. Very surprising Podolski wasn't shipped out to accommodate.

[Marc Overmars]

Welbz. :bow:

What a man.

[BOBN]

The reaction makes a change from the cringeworthy fanfare surrounding the Ozil and Sanchez signings, who have both been shyt so far.

Welbeck will probably out-perform both.

[Injury Time]

Wages are £115kpw according to Telegraph. Very surprising Podolski wasn't shipped out to accommodate.

If Giroud is fit by Jan window I could see Pod going then.

[Marc Overmars]

Must admit I'm excited by the prospect of such an unpredictable signing and frankly it wouldn't have taken much to improve on Sanogo anyway. Been a long time since we had an England striker as well, we're racking up quite the GHEL contingent.

I know he wasn't the first, second or even 98th name on our wish list, but he's ours now and like any new signing he comes with a clean slate. I only care about what he does in an Arsenal shirt and not what he's previously done at United.

We have our pacey striker and despite not having the goal scoring pedigree we desire he has plenty of time on his side to improve. United fans rated him so that should tell you we haven't at least signed a complete dud.

Hopefully in a year or 2 we're all dragging up the :haha: and Welshit comments we've all made, because that would mean he's doing quite well.

Come on Welbz and come on Arsenal.

[Power n Glory]

Wages are £115kpw according to Telegraph. Very surprising Podolski wasn't shipped out to accommodate.

Never. Didn't you say we didn't want to pay Remy £80kpw and that he was greedy?

[Ernesto]

I would much rather we didn't sign anyone than sign Wellbeck. A useless addition to à flailing squad.

To some degree, I empathised with Wenger after his post-match interview against Besiktas. If he was telling the truth that we had to try and cope with Podolski. Walcott, Sanogo and Campbell, then so be it. They needed a chance to play and they'd finally got it. For reasons unbeknown to me, Wenger decides to pick the worst one of the four to play against Leicester, leading to panic stations among the fans and the signing of a non goal-scoring striker by the board to placate the fans. Terrible.

[Injury Time]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140902/arsenal-sign-england-forward-welbeck
So it's true :faint:

[Bumble]

On the plus side though, as opposed to the Sanchez and Ozil signings where we expected fireworks. With Welbeck we just hope he can kick a ball straight and a control ball. So it is a pretty low base to begin. It also means we can stop the competition winner playing up front experiment.

Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck and the Ox adds pace with Ozil just behind with the paces and Ramsey popping in the box with this lung bursting runs.

Although Wenger has obviously given up the idea of being defensive... did it for acouple of seasons and now he has got bored. Debuchy, Mert, Kos, Chambers, Gibbs and Monreal with any first team experience. Should really recall Jenks.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vf9SOUOiNHQ

[Xhaka Can’t]

van Nistelrooy is a shit defender.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They are still in mourning over at Redcafe. :rose:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-arsenal-player.395928/

[Özim]

All this nonsense about Wellbeck and Sturridge is precisely that, at Bolton he showed he could score goals, Wellbeck has just shown he can miss chances.

Awful signing and pretty much everyone on here would have said the same before we somehow ended up with him, Man U must be laughing behind our backs at this deal, they sign a top class forward for peanuts whilst we give them an extra 10 million on top for a guy who can't score for toffee and who they'd have had trouble getting rid of for 5 million never mind 16.

We look like mugs right now sadly, Hernandez would have been a much better bet, we've signed the new Emile Heskey a player who gets picked for England based on some fantasy idea that he's actually any good.

[selassie]

He's not my first choice and I am not exactly excited about this signing but he is here now so I wish him well.

I did actually quite like the look of him when he first broke on the scene but his development has stalled IMO.

I think the potential is there but I don't think he will develop into anything more than a decent PL player who will bag 15 goals a season max.

I think it's crucial he is played through the middle as he is no use to us on the wings.

I would say he is at Giroud level, he's not really an upgrade, he just offers something different.

[GP]

He's not one to get excited about but he's better than Sanogo, surely?

The fact Utd fans are upset about it gives me some hope, at least.

[BOBN]

shaggy (Redcafe)

I'd actually take the Falcao deal falling through if it meant Welbeck stayed.

Thats all that needs to be said. Now button it know-nothings.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They are still in mourning over at Redcafe. :rose:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-arsenal-player.395928/

I'm in mourning for the 16million we've pissed down the drain

[BOBN]

I'm in mourning for the 16million we've pissed down the drain
Yep, on Podolski and another 42 on Ozil.

Welbeck is a bargain compared to those two.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I walk into the office and everyone's like

http://media.giphy.com/media/Ne7aenG4oM1Py/giphy.gif






People that don't know what they're talking about :haha:

[Letters]

It's not a terrible signing, it just doesn't shout "title contenders" at you. :shrug:

[Ollie the Optimist]

All this nonsense about Wellbeck and Sturridge is precisely that, at Bolton he showed he could score goals, Wellbeck has just shown he can miss chances.

Awful signing and pretty much everyone on here would have said the same before we somehow ended up with him, Man U must be laughing behind our backs at this deal, they sign a top class forward for peanuts whilst we give them an extra 10 million on top for a guy who can't score for toffee and who they'd have had trouble getting rid of for 5 million never mind 16.

We look like mugs right now sadly, Hernandez would have been a much better bet, we've signed the new Emile Heskey a player who gets picked for England based on some fantasy idea that he's actually any good.

well thats not true. They might have paid a small loan fee, however they are paying him in wages over a million a month. Thats hardly peanuts. And when you think of the wages they pay rooney, judas and Mata, they are paying close to a million pounds per week for four players, we cannot and should not do that. And he isn't the player they need, scoring goals wasn't their problem last year, it was conceding them. The fact they haven't signed a defender is utterly stupid although not complaining.

However, you might be right with Welbeck but he's better then Sanogo. Don't get me wrong, I wish we had done better this window with a defender and midfielder, but as someone said, if we signed welbeck first and sanchez last night we would all be over the moon. Will Welbeck win us the title? I doubt it, but Falcao won't win united the title either, and i still don't think he will get them top four. They haven't got a defence or a decent midfield

[Penguin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vf9SOUOiNHQ

I would have been more impressed if he kicked him in the balls

[Özim]

well thats not true. They might have paid a small loan fee, however they are paying him in wages over a million a month. Thats hardly peanuts. And when you think of the wages they pay rooney, judas and Mata, they are paying close to a million pounds per week for four players, we cannot and should not do that. And he isn't the player they need, scoring goals wasn't their problem last year, it was conceding them. The fact they haven't signed a defender is utterly stupid although not complaining.

However, you might be right with Welbeck but he's better then Sanogo. Don't get me wrong, I wish we had done better this window with a defender and midfielder, but as someone said, if we signed welbeck first and sanchez last night we would all be over the moon. Will Welbeck win us the title? I doubt it, but Falcao won't win united the title either, and i still don't think he will get them top four. They haven't got a defence or a decent midfield

There's no doubting Falcoa is top class, Man U clearly think they can afford it, it's not about them though, it's more about us wasting money on a guy who isn't going to really do a lot to improve us, the guy can't score goals how many more forwards who can't put the ball in the net do we need. Now we've signed him that's the end of our striker search meaning we're stuck with this strikeforce for years, which IMO is really not good news.

Yes we've signed players this summer but other than Sanchez I wouldn't call any top class or indeed think that any would have been on the fans list of desirable signings.

I find it disappointing that we settle for mediocre players time and time again when what we should be looking for is top class ones that will make a big difference to our team.

Man U have also signed Daley Blind btw and he was brilliant in the World Cup.

[Ollie the Optimist]

There's no doubting Falcoa is top class, Man U clearly think they can afford it, it's not about them though, it's more about us wasting money on a guy who isn't going to really do a lot to improve us, the guy can't score goals how many more forwards who can't put the ball in the net do we need. Now we've signed him that's the end of our striker search meaning we're stuck with this strikeforce for years, which IMO is really not good news.

Yes we've signed players this summer but other than Sanchez I wouldn't call any top class or indeed think that any would have been on the fans list of desirable signings.

I find it disappointing that we settle for mediocre players time and time again when what we should be looking for is top class ones that will make a big difference to our team.

Well i suppose the jury is still out on Debuchy, however he has started brilliantly for us, we all had fears about replacing Sagna and so far, they seem to have disappeared. We didn't just replace him with some french player, we replaced him with an international first team player. Jury is out on whether he is a top class player but for the moment, I'd say we have replaced Sagna with someone just as good if not slightly better. Zabletta and Lahm are the two best right backs IMO, we weren't going to get them so Debuchy was the next on the list. That is a very good signing.

Chambers, well obviously he isn't top class, at least not yet, but he has impressed so far and looks to offer good cover for third choice CB. Same goes with Ospina, as keeper. Good back up, both will push those in front on. When you remember that we have in our squad, Ozil, Ramsey, Theo, Koscienly, Mertesacker, Cazorla, those are top class players. We have Szcesney who was the joint best keeper last season as well. Podolski, Rosicky, Arteta all add experience too. I'm annoyed we didn't sign another midfielder, and defender but I still think this window has been good and lets hope Welbeck turns out to be good, time will tell on that one. We asked Arsene to change and spend money, he's spent the most he ever has in one window, thats a good sign but we still needed more. However, we still have a good squad. Its injuries that will stop us really, they always do

[GP]

Who's this Falcoa bloke?

[Dein-machine]

Cheer up Herbie, it could have been worse, if we didn't already have him we could have signed Sonogo.

[hobson's choice]

I'm actually excited by this move, and thinking about our potential front 3, with him, Theo, and Alexis

[Penguin]

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[Penguin]

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[Niall_Quinn]

Never. Didn't you say we didn't want to pay Remy £80kpw and that he was greedy?

Remy wanted £5mill a year, about £100K - again of course, according to the media. A lot for a player who has yet to do anything significant. The fact he's gone to sit on the chav bench says a lot about his priorities.

Welbeck didn't want a loan deal, wants a starting position, CL footie and £115K - according to the media. Sounds ambitious. Then again, Theo demanded a starting position and £100K and many, including myself, viewed that as greedy considering (like Welbeck) he hasn't hit the anticipated heights yet. All very difficult to judge these silly wages for players that have paper thin differences between them.

[Penguin]

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[Niall_Quinn]

Thats all that needs to be said. Now button it know-nothings.

The message being Arsenal fans know nothing but Utd fans know something?

Could be true considering you think Ozil and Alexis have been shite.

[BOBN]

The message being Arsenal fans know nothing but Utd fans know something?

Could be true considering you think Ozil and Alexis have been shite.
Most of our fans couldnt see Vermalean, Arshavin and Podoski were incompetent right under their own nose so.

Since most have only seen him on MOTD, youre not qualified to have an opinion on Welbeck.

"16m wasted" - how arrogant and thick does somebody need to be to say that? Just stick to wanking over stickerbook players and leave the evaluation of players to management.

[Niall_Quinn]

Most of our fans couldnt see Vermalean, Arshavin and Podoski were incompetent right under their own nose so.

Since most have only seen him on MOTD, youre not qualified to have an opinion on Welbeck.

"16m wasted" - how arrogant and thick does somebody need to be to say that? Just stick to wanking over stickerbook players and leave the evaluation of players to management.

And you think the best way to educate us all is to tell us not to have an opinion on a forum? Won't it be even quieter around here if we follow your expert advice?

[Özim]

Personally not that happy about our striking options, if we were going to get someone like Wellbeck rather than someone top class, I'd have rather we'd had given Campbell a shot up front, he won't be any worse than Wellbeck who let's face it isn't going to win us anything anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

Personally not that happy about our striking options, if we were going to get someone like Wellbeck rather than someone top class, I'd have rather we'd had given Campbell a shot up front, he won't be any worse than Wellbeck who let's face it isn't going to win us anything anyway.

In the end, having two options is better than one. If either flops then maybe the other won't. At least the club is buying players instead of fighting over shares. And the more GHELs we get the more chance of the refs cheating for us, or at least there's a chance they might stop cheating against us.

[Niall_Quinn]

And it keeps Sanogo one step further from a starting position. Unless Wenger decides to play Welbeck wide and leave Sanogo in the middle. I'll piss myself laughing if that happens and then call an ambulance for Arsene.

[Özim]

That's all true, the only thing that bothers me is that now our search for a striker is over, so there's no chance of seeing someone decent up front for the foreseeable future.

Let's be honest, if Man U thought Wellbeck was any good they wouldn't have sold him to us as it would have made no sense.

[BOBN]

And you think the best way to educate us all is to tell us not to have an opinion on a forum? Won't it be even quieter around here if we follow your expert advice?
People need to be told to give a player who hasnt kicked a ball for us a chance?

If people are that bloodthirty there are plenty of players who have played games to choose from. No doubt those writing him off will be the same lot who if and but about Ozils 12 months of averageness, who whine about "he needs time!!!".

If Welbeck does well we have a great player on our hands. If he does averagely, he still provides a better option off the bench than Podoski as a Plan B. If he does poorly, Sunderland will buy him for £12.5m. Its a no brainer transfer.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's all true, the only thing that bothers me is that now our search for a striker is over, so there's no chance of seeing someone decent up front for the foreseeable future.

Let's be honest, if Man U thought Wellbeck was any good they wouldn't have sold him to us as it would have made no sense.

Not necessarily true. They've splashed a fortune trying to buy their way back into the big time, trying to get instant results. It means there's no room for developing players to come through. Sounds to me like they gave the option to Welbeck and Cleverley to stay and fight for a place. After all that cash outlay Utd are unlikely to leave the likes of Rooney and Falcao on the bench. So no place for Welbeck doesn't automatically imply he's no good. In fact even if he was just as good it would still be difficult to justify leaving out players earning £300K a week. Apparently they had to pay Falcao a premium because they can't offer him CL. He's on as much as Rooney. That's over £30mill a year on wages for those two alone. In fact it's complete insanity. I doubt Sturridge or Aguero would make that team now - the financials wouldn't allow it. If RvM has got this wrong it's going to be a bloodbath. He'd better win something.

[Niall_Quinn]

People need to be told to give a player who hasnt kicked a ball for us a chance?

If people are that bloodthirty there are plenty of players who have played games to choose from. No doubt those writing him off will be the same lot who if and but about Ozils 12 months of averageness, who whine about "he needs time!!!".

If Welbeck does well we have a great player on our hands. If he does averagely, he still provides a better option off the bench than Podoski as a Plan B. If he does poorly, Sunderland will buy him for £12.5m. Its a no brainer transfer.

People don't need to be told though, do they? They need to be able to have their own opinion just like you have yours and then everyone can agree to disagree if need be. This isn't an exam with a score at the end, it's an opinions forum.

Give people a few days to get over signing a player from a major rival that we have a long history with. If the player does the business on the pitch then it won't take long for everyone to come around.

The day after, yes you're right, it's starting to look better. Sanogo out, anyone in is a plus. Falcao or Welbeck? When you think it all through long term, the latter. Five year contract instead of a player wanting away to Madrid, half the costs, the player is younger, helps us with quotas etc, could thrive now he's out from the shadow of big money primadonnas and will have a bigger role here. Could be a scary combination with Walcott. Lots of coulds and maybes, we'll have to wait and see. But we are a big step forward from the Sanogo situation this morning so that's a crucial plus.

We all want the same thing in the end.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

the greatest pleasure i have taken in football is watching Welbeck play for England, watching him make a pigs ear of every chance he ever gets, his rotten first touch breaking down promising attacks etc and thinking ha this cretin plays for Man United....i feel like someone has died today.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We all want the same thing in the end.

Welbeck to spontaneously combust?...maybe the collective willpower of hundreds of thousands of supporters might be enough to make it happen.

[GP]

Just ordered my Welbeck shirt.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwh1ZfzCcAEBYQl.jpg:large

[Özim]

Not necessarily true. They've splashed a fortune trying to buy their way back into the big time, trying to get instant results. It means there's no room for developing players to come through. Sounds to me like they gave the option to Welbeck and Cleverley to stay and fight for a place. After all that cash outlay Utd are unlikely to leave the likes of Rooney and Falcao on the bench. So no place for Welbeck doesn't automatically imply he's no good. In fact even if he was just as good it would still be difficult to justify leaving out players earning £300K a week. Apparently they had to pay Falcao a premium because they can't offer him CL. He's on as much as Rooney. That's over £30mill a year on wages for those two alone. In fact it's complete insanity. I doubt Sturridge or Aguero would make that team now - the financials wouldn't allow it. If RvM has got this wrong it's going to be a bloodbath. He'd better win something.

I was really talking about the fact they sold him to us, if they thought he was that good they wouldn't have, they'd have found another buyer, Man U don't sell their better players to rivals.

[Power n Glory]

Remy wanted £5mill a year, about £100K - again of course, according to the media. A lot for a player who has yet to do anything significant. The fact he's gone to sit on the chav bench says a lot about his priorities.

Welbeck didn't want a loan deal, wants a starting position, CL footie and £115K - according to the media. Sounds ambitious. Then again, Theo demanded a starting position and £100K and many, including myself, viewed that as greedy considering (like Welbeck) he hasn't hit the anticipated heights yet. All very difficult to judge these silly wages for players that have paper thin differences between them.

I only saw reports of £80k a week and you can't begrudge him that. If the club thinks a player is good enough to start, you can't pay him less than the rest of our starters. It's a fair asking wage. Arteta came to us on £75kpw, Pod is earning £100kpw. Welbeck is coming in at the top end so it's quite surprising if we actually scoffed at Remy's wage demands.

Also, you need to put things into perspective. If you believe in yourself and your talent, you wouldn't sell yourself short and settle for being a big fish in a small pond. That shows a serious lack of confidence and no club should want such a player. It's hard to begrudge a player for wanting a move from QPR to Chelsea.

But what's done is done. I think this was another panic buy.

[AKBapologist]

The same people underrating and slating Welbeck are pretty much the same who said Theo was shit or still believe we can compete for the like of Falcao or Cavani in a typical bidding war.

United have just given £275k per week to someone who's had 3 ACL injuries. Let that sink in for a minute...

If Fergie were in charge, Welbeck would have never gone to us, but I'm not yet convinced LVG knows what he's doing yet.

:coffee:

[Penguin]

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GHELs :bow:

[BOBN]

People don't need to be told though, do they? They need to be able to have their own opinion just like you have yours and then everyone can agree to disagree if need be. This isn't an exam with a score at the end, it's an opinions forum.


No, never. People will never be able to write off an 8-figure signing made by an experienced manager like Wenger without having their thoughts and feelings trampled on.

Its thick, end of.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, never. People will never be able to write off an 8-figure signing made by an experienced manager like Wenger without having their thoughts and feelings trampled on.

Its thick, end of.

Trample away, but telling people they don't have a right to an opinion is an entirely different thing.

[Power n Glory]

The same people underrating and slating Welbeck are pretty much the same who said Theo was shit or still believe we can compete for the like of Falcao or Cavani in a typical bidding war.

United have just given £275k per week to someone who's had 3 ACL injuries. Let that sink in for a minute...

If Fergie were in charge, Welbeck would have never gone to us, but I'm not yet convinced LVG knows what he's doing yet.

:coffee:

Fergie wouldn’t have sold him to a us but may have sold him to one of his coaching buddies like he’s done in the past. From what I’ve seen of Welbeck, he’s nothing special and I don’t think he’d have been a Man Utd great even if Fergie was there. That’s not to say we can’t get more out of him. He has the work rate and he has the pace, so he should be fine coming for the ball deep to link up play and also getting beyond defenders. It’s the striking he’ll need to work on but that’s an area Wenger is really good on fixing.

[BOBN]

Trample away, but telling people they don't have a right to an opinion is an entirely different thing.
Ok they can have an opinion but its an utterly worthless opinion.

But I will retract that statement if those who say weve wasted 16m can demonstrate why they dare to believe they are in a better position to judge a player than Wenger and his staff.

I dont mind people saying they dont believe he'll do too well, or theyre underwhelmed. But "16m wasted" before hes kicked a ball? Cretinous tbh.

[AKBapologist]

Fergie wouldn’t have sold him to a us but may have sold him to one of his coaching buddies like he’s done in the past. From what I’ve seen of Welbeck, he’s nothing special and I don’t think he’d have been a Man Utd great even if Fergie was there. That’s not to say we can’t get more out of him. He has the work rate and he has the pace, so he should be fine coming for the ball deep to link up play and also getting beyond defenders. It’s the striking he’ll need to work on but that’s an area Wenger is really good on fixing.

I think he has the potential to, in the next few months, offer us something we haven't had in a while. When players like Ian Wright didn't even play in the PL until 26-27, I think it's crazy to right off players who have been played out of position and still provided at top clubs at the age of 23!

I'm actually excited about this signing, as he's a lot of what we don't have, he's british, we got one over spurs by signing him and united fans and former united employees are distraught that he's left. Combine that with the fact that if he crashes and burns we can flog him to Fulham for pretty much the same price we bought him for. Win win win win...

[selassie]

And it keeps Sanogo one step further from a starting position. Unless Wenger decides to play Welbeck wide and leave Sanogo in the middle. I'll piss myself laughing if that happens and then call an ambulance for Arsene.

:lol:

I wouldn't put it past Arsene! :o

[Power n Glory]

I think he has the potential to, in the next few months, offer us something we haven't had in a while. When players like Ian Wright didn't even play in the PL until 26-27, I think it's crazy to right off players who have been played out of position and still provided at top clubs at the age of 23!

I'm actually excited about this signing, as he's a lot of what we don't have, he's british, we got one over spurs by signing him and united fans and former united employees are distraught that he's left. Combine that with the fact that if he crashes and burns we can flog him to Fulham for pretty much the same price we bought him for. Win win win win...

Yes, I think he has the potential to offer us something different to what Giroud and Sanogo and he damn well should.

Would never have been my first choice and I think we’ll still struggle in tight games if his control and finishing aren’t up to par. But he has the work rate and pace so he’ll get chances and create chances for others.

[LDG]

Number 23.

Welbz :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Number 23.

Welbz :bow:

Shouldn't we have our own GHELish name for him, rather than using theirs?

[LDG]

Welshit

[Özim]

Welshit

:haha:

[Penguin]

Welbeck's goal record does look pretty worrying. He has the technical ability to score some great goals, but the problem for him is that his composure goes out the window when he gets a good chance. I'm not sure that's something you can teach. But it's also not something that you 'either have or you don't', just look at Theo and Ramsey who had similar problems before something just clicked. Even RvP had the same problem where he would miss tons of easy chances, then score a screamer. I'm not expecting any miracles this season on the goalscoring front, but I don't see why he can't get about 20 goals in all competitions if he makes sure he scores the 'easy' chances and one-on-ones. Giroud scored 22 last season and you could make a 10 minute compilation of his misses!

As for his link up play, holding up the ball and bringing other players into play I would rate Welbeck higher than Giroud. Apart from that two or three month spell at the start of last season when Giroud was pulling off those outrageous flicks, that side of his game has been toilet. I think I remember PnG that posting a stat that he only had a ~50% success rate with them which is poor but not surprising. The number of times he ruins opportunities because he hits it behind the player, chooses the wrong option or flicks it first time when there was plenty of space to control the ball or even to turn and run with the ball. Welbeck on the other hand is a bit more intelligent with the ball in those situations and doesn't lose it as cheaply.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah, it was around 50% for us during the season and it was the same for France during a game in the World Cup. One of the journalists picked up on it when France started to fall apart.

[The Wengerbabies]

So this wasn't some bad dream last night, it actually happened.

Oh god.

The 4th choice striker for a mid table team is the best we can get. And we paid £16m for it.

I'm in just as much disbelief as I was this time last year, only this time for all the wrong reasons.

[Hump]

Shouldn't we have our own GHELish name for him, rather than using theirs?

The Moss Side Henry...

[Dein-machine]

Ok they can have an opinion but its an utterly worthless opinion.

But I will retract that statement if those who say weve wasted 16m can demonstrate why they dare to believe they are in a better position to judge a player than Wenger and his staff.

I dont mind people saying they dont believe he'll do too well, or theyre underwhelmed. But "16m wasted" before hes kicked a ball? Cretinous tbh.

In some peoples opinions, like yours, paying £16 mill for Welbeck is not wasted because; a, he is not shit, otherwise he would never have got near a Man Utd or England shirt & b, because he's certainly no worse than what we currently have up top & could turn out to be a good goal scoring forward. This is an opinion that could turn out to be correct.
However NQ may be basing his opinion on something similar to mine. Welbeck still has to prove himself as a quality CF. Even utd fans who were sad to see him go did mention about his lack of finishing ability. Therefore if we spend £16 mill on a player that may not give us anything better than Giroud, Welbeck may well be a squad player when Giroud is fit. If this is the case & because of the Welbeck spend we couldn't afford to bring in a DM that guarantees better quality in the starting line up then it could be viewed that this money would have been better spent elsewhere. If you spend money that could have been put to better use it is often viewed as " a waste ".
These days to compete with the Gypos, Chavs, Utd & Liverpool + the top teams in the C.L ( which is what we are being promised by our manager & board ) it is my opinion that,as we cannot afford to spend the silly amounts that these teams do, we have to buy ready made, proven quality that will improve our weakest areas. We can't buy middle of the road players & hope they turn into world beaters, those days are gone - the other teams are all too strong to allow us the time for this to happen.

[AKBapologist]

but I wonder what those fans made of a 23-year-old Didier Drogba. Having paid £80,000 for him after he scored 5 goals in 21 appearances for Le Mans, I wonder whether they were impressed with his return of 3 goals in 11 games. With 8 goals in 32 appearances as a 23-year-old, 0.25 goals per game, I wonder how many people wrote him off.

Similarly, in the year that Eric Cantona turned 23, what were Marseille fans saying about his 5 goals in 22 appearances? Granted, they probably had more to say about his poor conduct on and off the field, rather than how many times he was sticking the ball in to the back of the net, but his club were happy to palm him off to Bordeux, where he scored 6 goals in five months. Cantona was 27 before he was getting in to double figures every season.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/stats-danny-welbeck-compared-to-other-strikers-at-23/


Like BOBN said, too many worthless opinions ITT.

[Power n Glory]

It’s all worthless. We have no idea what Welbeck will be like in our set up. We just have to wait and see. Will Wenger polish him up and turn him into a beast? Who knows. Time will tell. All the Redcafe comments and Manure fans in moaning – delusional – he was never going to be the second coming at Utd. They haven’t produced a great young player for their first team in years. They all end up getting sold. The good and the bad. Pogba, Rossi, Pique, Richardson, Darren Gibson, Campbell.....it’s a long list.

I wouldn’t write Welbeck off as shit but he’s an unfinished product and the problem I have with this deal is the fact that we have plenty of options in this area. Why spend £16m and £115 on wages when you haven’t given much of a chance to Campbell, Walcott or even Sanchez? We don’t know how these guys will fair up front over a long period but I feel it’s the same for Welbeck. He’s a player that needs just as much work as our internal options. That’s why this deal doesn’t make much sense.

But we will see how things go and hopefully we can turn him into and absolute monster.

[alexander]

I was really down-beat about Welbeck signing last night. But, after seeing his stats today, which are pretty much the same a Giroud, Im fairly happy. Also, the annoyance on Redcafe must mean they think a fair bit of him. From what I gather he really puts himself about, and has good pace. Reckon he will offer more all round game than the quite often stationary Giroud.
But we will see, good luck to him, hope he want to prove something here and does.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I confess, seeing the negative reaction from Man Utd and their belief that we got a "deal" here has given me some improved confidence in this signing. This is despite my immediate disgust when I first heard the rumours yesterday afternoon.

The Mancs seem confident that he'll do a Sturridge however I'm not sure if that's just a cheap analysis based on the fact they have some physical similarities (young, English, pacy, forwards etc etc etc).


Meh ...... anything is better than Sanogo and now that he's our player I'll fully back him. Welcome to the club Danny.

[Heisenberg]

Whatever any of us thought about the possibility of signing him before this, be that positive or negative, he's an Arsenal player now and so we should cheer him when he plays.

Good luck, Danny :scarf:

[Power n Glory]

I'm just happy to see a total different option up front to get me excited and interested in games again. As long as Wenger plays him through the middle, I'm happy. Keep Giroud and Sanogo on the bench.

[Syn]

I wouldn’t write Welbeck off as shit but he’s an unfinished product and the problem I have with this deal is the fact that we have plenty of options in this area. Why spend £16m and £115 on wages when you haven’t given much of a chance to Campbell, Walcott or even Sanchez? We don’t know how these guys will fair up front over a long period but I feel it’s the same for Welbeck. He’s a player that needs just as much work as our internal options. That’s why this deal doesn’t make much sense.


Wenger wants a tall guy up front who can win headers and hold the ball up well. Welbeck isn't far off Giroud's height and he's good in the air. That's why I feel Walcott and Sanchez will never get a proper shot as a striker for us. Particularly in walcott's case, injury worries will always remain until we get a full season out of him.

I expect the club to work on building Welbeck's strengths just like they did Adebayor and Giroud (and Sanogo, apparently). Wenger wants a strong physical presence upfront. Personally I would've given Walcott a chance, and if Welbeck doesn't impress then maybe be still might.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger wants a tall guy up front who can win headers and hold the ball up well. Welbeck isn't far off Giroud's height and he's good in the air. That's why I feel Walcott and Sanchez will never get a proper shot as a striker for us. Particularly in walcott's case, injury worries will always remain until we get a full season out of him.

I expect the club to work on building Welbeck's strengths just like they did Adebayor and Giroud (and Sanogo, apparently). Wenger wants a strong physical presence upfront. Personally I would've given Walcott a chance, and if Welbeck doesn't impress then maybe be still might.

Yes, I've noticed the trend with the strikers. Welbeck is a tall lad and may be able to hold up the ball better and at least he's quick. I still feel Sanchez should have been given more games up front and feel it's more of a positional and movement problem rather than being physically able to hold up the ball. He's a battler with a great control. But is it worth turning a player like Sanchez into a striker because we're weak in that area?

Also, I have a feeling Theo will be on his way out of the club soon. He's out of contract soon. Will have a year left by the end of this season. I think Sanchez is his replacement. Also, Theo has to feel some sort of way about Wenger bringing in Welbeck whose less prolific but was in similar position at Manure. A striker playing out wide that wants a chance up front. Welbeck getting a chance before him may sting a little.

[Niall_Quinn]

Also, I have a feeling Theo will be on his way out of the club soon.

Funny, I was thinking that too. But then again, if he can find his feet quickly and we can get that front line firing and Wenger can get a bit more adventurous with his formation then there's a place for him. I'm also wondering if the FA and Wenger have something cooking. There has been a concerted effort of late to bring British (particularly English) players in and keep them at the club. It reminds me of Utd a couple of decades back. Is Arsene laying the ground for his next job once his contract here is up? Just a feeling I get.

[LDG]

Injured training with England today :haha:

[Kano]

Trying to endear himself to the fans by learning the Arsenal way. Bless him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

the greatest pleasure i have taken in football is watching Welbeck play for England, watching him make a pigs ear of every chance he ever gets, his rotten first touch breaking down promising attacks etc and thinking ha this cretin plays for Man United....i feel like someone has died today.
People die every day. :coffee:

[Penguin]

Where would Theo go?

[Kano]

City would buy him for sure. Although not upfront.

[Injury Time]

Injured training with England today :haha:

Less than 24 hours after completing a £16 million pound move to Arsenal on transfer deadline day, Danny Welbeck injured his ankle during England training.

Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/339989.html#CVuwyKYd7PDbpQzi.99
Oh FFS

[fakeyank]

Whats your formation with him on the team?

Chezza

Debuchy Kos Per Gibbs

Santi Ramsey Ox

Walcott Welbeck Sanchez

No defensive midfielder against the shit teams. When playing the big sides, put in Flamini/Arteta/Chambers in place of Ox and if needed Santi as well. How many times this team is going to be fit to play is another question of course!

[Niall_Quinn]

Sounds minor. Ideal if it keeps him out of Norway vs the donkeys. Worried about Chambers now these wasters have got their paws on him.

[fakeyank]

Oh FFS

He was always injury prone but this is laughable! :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

He's not injury prone at all, when I looked it appears he hasn't picked up anything significant since 2012. Before that it always seemed to be the ankle though.

Not complaining as I think we can quickly bring him up to speed with injuries, there's not a player we haven't managed to crock and I can't see why we won't work our magic on Welbeck.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's not injury prone at all, when I looked it appears he hasn't picked up anything significant since 2012. Before that it always seemed to be the ankle though.

Not complaining as I think we can quickly bring him up to speed with injuries, there's not a player we haven't managed to crock and I can't see why we won't work our magic on Welbeck.

hoping he's out for the rest of the season and then we can sell him on, or operate a release clause in his contract

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Can't believe we've signed him

He's gonna be fucking ace

[Özim]

Our team possibly just got stronger after that injury, if Campbell plays that is.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Welbeck - the pacey runner

Giroud - plan B when we're chasing a game

Us :bow:

[fakeyank]

He's not injury prone at all, when I looked it appears he hasn't picked up anything significant since 2012. Before that it always seemed to be the ankle though.

Not complaining as I think we can quickly bring him up to speed with injuries, there's not a player we haven't managed to crock and I can't see why we won't work our magic on Welbeck.

I have seen him pull his hammy multiple times. Its not major but its the type gibbs keeps picking up to miss 3-4 weeks.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You know how we do that thing where we list strikers from our rivals to show how weak ours are? Well other clubs do it too. Glory glory:

'Liverpool - Balotelli
Man Utd - Falcao/Di Maria
Chelsea - Costa/Fab
Arsenal - Sanchez/Wellbeck
Man City - Got enough already

We have lost considerable ground. People can say we have a new signing in Lamela but he gets picked off so often at PL pace. Looks so rushed in possession. Soldado's situation has worsened (didnt think that was possible - looks 3rd choice and now injured).'

:lol: Maybe we aren't in a bad position after all.

[Power n Glory]

hoping he's out for the rest of the season and then we can sell him on, or operate a release clause in his contract

Behave!

[Bumble]

this signing is actually starting to grow on me. I think there is a place in the team for him, he is mobile and works hard which is a good start. and finishing is one thing that can be worked especially composure as they gain experience. so all is not lost.

defensively we are buggered though.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Injured training with England today :haha:

Training ground knock which I am fine with because if it keeps him out of a pointless friendly and gives him more time to get a feel of the club and ready for next proper game I'm all for it....Ox being out is good news too

[I am invisible]

Well, I've had a terrible night's sleep, and another shit day at work... and oddly enough I've warmed to this Welbeck idea (which may be down to the lack of sleep, or the fact that United fans have been coming up to me all day sounding angry and upset about this deal)? Not the big name I was hoping for, but I can see some useful possibilities here for us. At the start of the summer, a lot of us were saying that we need to make sure that we're adding attributes that we lack, regardless of the name, and I think what we've added to the attack with him and Sanchez is a hell of a lot of pace, variety and work-rate that was sorely missing (not to mention more runners for our play-makers to aim for) - not only will these guys be a big threat on the counter if opponents play too high, they'll also cause defenders problems going the other way too, with the way they press from the front. I can also see both players causing a bit of trouble in packed penalty areas too with the way they run at opponents. What I'm hoping for now is that some of that defensive work-rate rubs off on Walcott - if we can get him chasing and pressing opponents with the frightening pace he has, then I think we'll have a really interesting front line.

The big question of course is how many goals have we actually added? And is one of them a CF? In terms of goals, I'm honestly not sure how many they'll get individually, but the way I see it, we have 3 more attackers than we had last season - Sanchez, Welbeck and Campbell (I would have said 4, if you count Walcott's return from injury, but I figure that's been cancelled out by Giroud's injury) - not to mention lots more runners for guys like Özil and Cazorla to aim for, so, collectively we must be looking at more goals, right? As for one of them is a CF, I think one of them must be, because I just can't see us recruiting that many wide players...

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Have said before....don't mind this signing....I know he is not the marquee signing we were hoping for while it haven't seen him score a screamer from outside the box, I have seen him take half chances, something we don't do enough so I am definitely not giving up on him.....point taken he misses a few but with games (which he will get with us) can we dare dream he could get better!

I would love to see him sit a top a diamond of Sanchez Walcott and Ozil in the 10.....that would be pace galore with hint of directness.

Walcott I hope now is not going anywhere....time for us to breed a bit of loyalty amongst the ranks.....and would be great if he ignored the attentions of others namely Citeh and stay with us......need another cup to get that mentality going though

Falcao....what a bargain for Manure? 6 mil.....and then the wages and whatever bonuses are attached....there is no getting away with from it.....Utd are paying a mini fortune...then if they want to keep him will Monaco let him walk out for a small fee (not sure how years he has left on his contract but they obviously can't afford to keep him)....answer is no way....he could bring Utd some success for a season but then what....Utd have to fork out to get him in perm.

Wellbeck could turn out to be Wellshit but he could also prove to turn out Wellgood....young with bags of potential....here's to the latter

[Niall_Quinn]

Media said the option to buy Falcoa (his new name) is £51mill. This player will end up costing them around £150mill if they sign him on a 4 year contract next season. That's about half the cost of our stadium isn't it? Looking at the emerging financials it's little wonder we passed.

[Letters]

Can't believe we've signed him

He's gonna be fucking ace
Are you drunk again?

[Injury Time]

http://thumbsnap.com/s/ePaQ1Isi.jpg
:whistle:

[GP]

haven't seen him score a screamer from outside the box

https://mediacru.sh/e4hk-VkJOvPf

[Munchies]

https://mediacru.sh/e4hk-VkJOvPf

Wow

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Are you drunk again?

Shut up you miserable fool. You always moan and never support the team.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

https://mediacru.sh/e4hk-VkJOvPf

Knew someone was going to do that.....thank you

The fact that he can is only a good thing for us

[Grebbo]

Welbeck might surprise a few people, been at Man U since he was 8, Fergie rated him, hopefully he just needs a run in the team as a striker and not utility forward. Giroud being injured should give him a run of consecutive games as number one Arsenal striker. Let's see what he can do.

Of course I'd rather have Falcao but let's see how well he does. Just getting over a big injury and pretty much has been on holiday for the past season coasting in the French league. Will he hit the ground running and instantly adjust to the PL? Welbeck needs no adjustment time.

The one thing about Welbeck is he works damn hard up front. He might not need to score goals if he can create space/chances for our midfield.

[Penguin]

it haven't seen him score a screamer from outside the box

https://mediacru.sh/e4hk-VkJOvPf
http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/welbeck1.gif

[Japan Shaking All Over]

http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/welbeck1.gif

See my last reply

[BOBN]

Welbeck might surprise a few people, been at Man U since he was 8, Fergie rated him, hopefully he just needs a run in the team as a striker and not utility forward. Giroud being injured should give him a run of consecutive games as number one Arsenal striker. Let's see what he can do.

Of course I'd rather have Falcao but let's see how well he does. Just getting over a big injury and pretty much has been on holiday for the past season coasting in the French league. Will he hit the ground running and instantly adjust to the PL? Welbeck needs no adjustment time.

The one thing about Welbeck is he works damn hard up front. He might not need to score goals if he can create space/chances for our midfield.
Yep. What people seem to be forgetting is that United are light years ahead of us as a club and Ferguson is lightyears ahead of Wenger as a manager of squads. Theres no way theyd have tolerated Welbeck in and around the first team, as a striker no less, if he was no good. Meanwhile fans from a club with Giroud and Sanogo turn their noses up, as if theyre dining at the top table of this football lark. twilight zone stuff.

On Falcao - I remember Tim Vickery banging on before and during the world cup that his injury may be a blessing in disguise for Colombia as his hold up and link up play is shyt, he cannot play as a lone striker and forces Columbia to play with two up fron. He says his injury basically allowed James Rodriguez (and that winger) to blossom in the hole and still allowed Colombia to play 2 disiplined CMs behind him.

If Ozil and Sanchez are as good as people say they are, Welbeck is the type of striker they need.

[Power n Glory]

Yep. What people seem to be forgetting is that United are light years ahead of us as a club and Ferguson is lightyears ahead of Wenger as a manager of squads. Theres no way theyd have tolerated Welbeck in and around the first team, as a striker no less, if he was no good. Meanwhile fans from a club with Giroud and Sanogo turn their noses up, as if theyre dining at the top table of this football lark. twilight zone stuff.

On Falcao - I remember Tim Vickery banging on before and during the world cup that his injury may be a blessing in disguise for Colombia as his hold up and link up play is shyt, he cannot play as a lone striker and forces Columbia to play with two up fron. He says his injury basically allowed James Rodriguez (and that winger) to blossom in the hole and still allowed Colombia to play 2 disiplined CMs behind him.

If Ozil and Sanchez are as good as people say they are, Welbeck is the type of striker they need.

Fergie isn't a great talent spotter and Utd haven't produced a great player from youth on up in years. They sold Pogba, Pique and Rossi, hung on to Nani, Anderson....bought Ashley Young and the guy has gone backwards....Smalling, Evans, Jones, those Brazilian twin wingbacks....it's a woeful record.

Wenger has his faults but he's been pissing all over Fergie with youth development in recent years. Walcott, Ramsey, Cesc, RVP, Szczesny, Kosienly, Oxlade....

I wish Welbeck the best over here but he wasn't setting the stage on fire at United and there is no way anyone can say if he stayed he'd have reached the next level. He has raw talent but most of United's kids do but the development stops once it's time to transition into a proper first team player. That's why it was the right move for Welbeck to move away from them.

[LDG]

Fergie isn't a great talent spotter and Utd haven't produced a great player from youth on up in years. They sold Pogba, Pique and Rossi, hung on to Nani, Anderson....bought Ashley Young and the guy has gone backwards....Smalling, Evans, Jones, those Brazilian twin wingbacks....it's a woeful record.

Wenger has his faults but he's been pissing all over Fergie with youth development in recent years. Walcott, Ramsey, Cesc, RVP, Szczesny, Kosienly, Oxlade....

I wish Welbeck the best over here but he wasn't setting the stage on fire at United and there is no way anyone can say if he stayed he'd have reached the next level. He has raw talent but most of United's kids do but the development stops once it's time to transition into a proper first team player. That's why it was the right move for Welbeck to move away from them.

:gp:

The crop of players they zipped through their youth ranks in the 90's is credited as Fergie's doing, when in actual fact, far from developing homegrown players, Utd systematically raped other clubs for talent before anyone else had thought of doing the same. Does David Beckham sound like a local Salford lad?

And a lot of that talent spotting is credited to Brian Kidd, I believe, rather than Fergie (as his recent record of buying youth suggests).

Fergie is by far and away a better motivator, and tactician than Wenger, but Wenger is far superior at youth development.

[BOBN]

Im not talking about youth development.

Show me their Sanogos and Jenkinsons through Fergusons glory years? Effectively league 1 player very much in and around the first team. They dont suffer fools up there. Those twos feet wouldnt have even touched the ground.

A finished journeyman Flamini would never have been given a 3 year contract, he'd never have signed Silvestre and squillaci. Diaby would be gone, Bendtners contract torn up. Vermalean wouldnt have had a sniff of the captaincy. They do things differently up there.

----

Back to Arsenal, I remember in Henrys last year or so thinking it was unnecessary having him. Just as Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky were coming to the boil. It seemed extravagently wasteful to have such a good striker effectively playing lone striker space-maker/holder-upper for the playmakers in behind him. Inefficient. So it was no suprised when we downgraded to Adebayor. A keener runner (at the time) and a real battering ram. We werent wasting his talents by making him do that, it was what he was good for, and it worked.

Welbeck can be our Adebayor, with the potential to be better as his workrate wont drop and his technique seems more assured.

Can Ozil be our Fabregas?

Time for him to prove hes "the best number 10 in the world". If it doesnt work its on him.

[LDG]

Im not talking about youth development.

Show me their Sanogos and Jenkinsons through Fergusons glory years? Effectively league 1 player very much in and around the first team. They dont suffer fools up there. Those twos feet wouldnt have even touched the ground.

A finished journeyman Flamini would never have been given a 3 year contract, he'd never have signed Silvestre and squillaci. Diaby would be gone, Bendtners contract torn up. Vermalean wouldnt have had a sniff of the captaincy. They do things differently up there.



You're right in some respects. Fergie had less tolerance for under-performance, and was far more ruthless when a player didn't cut it.

But he's bought his fair share of pony in his time. Made his fair share of poor decisions.

Wenger is guilty of not being ruthless enough. And a top flight club should be more ruthless....but I still admire his trait of wanting to give talent a chance. Diaby is a case in point. If the lad could stay injury free, he'd be a monster, and the player we're all craving.

[I am invisible]

https://mediacru.sh/e4hk-VkJOvPf


http://youtu.be/emosxCswvDg

[Power n Glory]

Im not talking about youth development.

Show me their Sanogos and Jenkinsons through Fergusons glory years? Effectively league 1 player very much in and around the first team. They dont suffer fools up there. Those twos feet wouldnt have even touched the ground.

A finished journeyman Flamini would never have been given a 3 year contract, he'd never have signed Silvestre and squillaci. Diaby would be gone, Bendtners contract torn up. Vermalean wouldnt have had a sniff of the captaincy. They do things differently up there.

----

Back to Arsenal, I remember in Henrys last year or so thinking it was unnecessary having him. Just as Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky were coming to the boil. It seemed extravagently wasteful to have such a good striker effectively playing lone striker space-maker/holder-upper for the playmakers in behind him. Inefficient. So it was no suprised when we downgraded to Adebayor. A keener runner (at the time) and a real battering ram. We werent wasting his talents by making him do that, it was what he was good for, and it worked.

Welbeck can be our Adebayor, with the potential to be better as his workrate wont drop and his technique seems more assured.

Can Ozil be our Fabregas?

Time for him to prove hes "the best number 10 in the world". If it doesnt work its on him.

I agree totally with the tactics and Wenger’s stubborn streak with players. Man Utd have the luxury of being able to splash money on players and then sell them on for a loss if things don’t work out. If Wenger had got it wrong with high profile summer signings, he’d have to stick with them and try to make it work. Berbatov, Kagawa, Nani, Anderson, Kleberson, Djemba Djemb, Veron, Bebe, Forlan….Wenger would have been fired a long time ago if he made such blunders. Fergie has stuck with garbage players but he can also replace them quickly. We wouldn’t be able to replace such players so easily and spend another £30m on another player. That doesn’t excuse his stubborn streak and playing to a players strengths when it’s necessary. His obsession with development and making a complete player means he’ll often force a player to work on his weak areas instead of enhancing the strong points and sometimes it backfires. Tactically narrow minded and stubborn. It’s frustrating.

But back to the original point, I wouldn’t put so much emphasis on Welbeck being a United regular and ‘Fergie’s Gold Standard’. They have players like Ashley Young, Anderson, Nani and Cleverly handing around their squad. They’re not good players but if we signed them we’d just have to hope for the best but let’s not kid ourselves.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/12-stages-arsenal-fans-reacting-4150792

:haha::haha::haha::haha:



It's funny because it's true. :(

[Ollie the Optimist]

Last week, if you offered me Welbeck, I would have laughed, now we have him, I'm actually quite excited to see what he could do. With ozil, ramsey, cazorla, sanchez all feeding him, he'll get 20 goals for us this season

[Power n Glory]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/12-stages-arsenal-fans-reacting-4150792

:haha::haha::haha::haha:



It's funny because it's true. :(

:lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Utd fans upset we've taken one of their players.

How the tables have turned.

They'll have that disgusting feeling in their stomach. Makes it even more sweeter :haha:

[Özim]

My opinion on Wellbeck hasn't changed, never really rated the guy, he's going to need to prove he's good by scoring a decent number of goals.

15 odd goals won't cut it for me, my local hairdresser could get that in our team.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xFsioXDkLiQ

[Letters]

My opinion on Wellbeck hasn't changed.
:faint:

[LDG]

My opinion on Wellbeck hasn't changed, never really rated the guy, he's going to need to prove he's good by scoring a decent number of goals.

15 odd goals won't cut it for me, my local hairdresser could get that in our team.

So what you're saying is that only your local hairdresser will cut it for you.

How shit is your hair?

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/12-stages-arsenal-fans-reacting-4150792

:haha::haha::haha::haha:



It's funny because it's true. :(

The media has been paying close attention to GW. For once they get things exactly right.

[Niall_Quinn]

My opinion on Wellbeck hasn't changed, never really rated the guy, he's going to need to prove he's good by scoring a decent number of goals.

15 odd goals won't cut it for me, my local hairdresser could get that in our team.

Hardly any of us wanted him. He's here now anyway. Don't make it a thing. Give him a chance to play a game at least.

[Özim]

Hardly any of us wanted him. He's here now anyway. Don't make it a thing. Give him a chance to play a game at least.

I will, seen plenty of him for England and Man U already to be fair, it's not like he's an unknown quantity.

We'll see how he does, if he misses chances like he has for Man U though I'm not gonna be thrilled.

Played in the 4-0 thrashing by MK Dons apparently.

[Syn]

Hardly any of us wanted him. He's here now anyway. Don't make it a thing. Give him a chance to play a game at least.

I see you're at this stage.

http://replygif.net/i/1411.gif

[Power n Glory]

I see you're at this stage.

http://replygif.net/i/1411.gif

That had my laughing. :lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:faint:

:haha:

[Master Splinter]

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/scaled/769x1000/sep_14/zp_510360791_SM_9599_C0B00FCDD271704393EF7826345B2 ED2_204.jpg

Welbz :bow:.

What a man.

[Marc Overmars]

Signing of the summer. :bow:

[Master Splinter]

Signing of the summer. :bow:

Hard to disagree.

[fakeyank]

Wesley Snipes is home :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/12-stages-arsenal-fans-reacting-4150792

:haha::haha::haha::haha:



It's funny because it's true. :(

:haha: Got to hand it to them, they nailed it.

[GP]

When did The Mirror become buzzfeed?

[selassie]

I thought he looked good in his cameo last night for Ingerland

[Letters]

I thought he looked good in his cameo last night for Ingerland

:good:

I thought that too. I'm warming to this signing. He's not really the level we'd need to properly push us on but he's a far less depressing option than Sanogoals, I think he's going to do OK for us.

[Marc Overmars]

He'll do just fine for us. Extra motivation for him being a Manc to ruin City next week as well on his debut.

Fair to say we all secretly rated him anyway but only poked fun because he didn't play for us. :coffee:

[Syn]

Think he'll be as frustrating as he is good. Which lowers the usual frustrating:good ratio that Giroud and Sanogo have maintained. Never thought he was shit and have always said he was a decent player, but I also say that about Tom Cleverley and Aaron Lennon so maybe I just look for the good in people.

[LDG]

In Manchester England, I was born and raised
In a shithole is where I spent most of my days

http://www.factfiend.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fresh1.jpg

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He'll do just fine for us. Extra motivation for him being a Manc to ruin City next week as well on his debut.

Fair to say we all secretly rated him anyway but only poked fun because he didn't play for us. :coffee:

No fair to say we all knew he was shit, but some of us are trying to big him up because they don't want to admit what a car crash this signing is. The media are saying what a good move it is because he is English and from Man United and nothing produced by United can ever be bad. But when he invariably stinks up the place for us, they won't defend him anymore because he plays for Arsenal the scum of the earth.

[Niall_Quinn]

Think he'll be as frustrating as he is good.

Agreed, he'll fit right in.

I figured this out - he's not Sanogo, it isn't my money being spent, he's still got about 60 days credit with the media while the Utd AFFECT wears off, he's not Sanogo but most importantly he's not Sanogo.

So in the end, good signing.

I think people may also be forgetting the fact he's not Sanogo.

[AKBapologist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ui3Gg5RVU

[Syn]

Said it before but some of the Arsenal fans who make these videos should be on the club payroll. That's one of the only good things to come out of this social media/technology wankfest - some of these guys are able to edit and create these player videos better than Sky could. Usually have to play them on mute though.

[Niall_Quinn]

Shame they can't get these out quicker as they'd be a massive help to Martin Samuel and Rob Draper.

Here's the Rooney video from the night:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPnX7OPo0Q

[Penguin]

:lol:

[selassie]

:good:

I thought that too. I'm warming to this signing. He's not really the level we'd need to properly push us on but he's a far less depressing option than Sanogoals, I think he's going to do OK for us.

Me too, I like his workrate and his pace. He is obviously still quite raw but the potential is there. He could turn out to be a decent signing!

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/04/1409821923786_Image_galleryImage_CPMMJR_Football_p itch_pla.JPG

Yes? No?

Ramsey might be a bit wasted there, but on the other hand Ramsey and Jack would be a lot more defensively sound than Ozil and Cazorla. Cover for Ozil is Santi who also does better through the middle. Cover for Welbeck is Campbell (because it wouldn't work with Giroud), cover on either flank is provided by Ox and we should develop a proper rotational strategy to lessen the impact of injury.

Shame were fucked at the back if we pick up one or two injuries.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

take wellbeck out of the xi and put podolski in and i'd agree

[Niall_Quinn]

take wellbeck out of the xi and put podolski in and i'd agree

Basically you're sulking, aren't you?

[LDG]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/04/1409821923786_Image_galleryImage_CPMMJR_Football_p itch_pla.JPG

Yes? No?

Ramsey might be a bit wasted there, but on the other hand Ramsey and Jack would be a lot more defensively sound than Ozil and Cazorla. Cover for Ozil is Santi who also does better through the middle. Cover for Welbeck is Campbell (because it wouldn't work with Giroud), cover on either flank is provided by Ox and we should develop a proper rotational strategy to lessen the impact of injury.

Shame were fucked at the back if we pick up one or two injuries.

In the real world. Spot on.

In Wenger's world? Stick them all wide left :good:

[Kano]

Arteta or flamini have to be there in place of wilshere. They are far from the ideal option bit they are at least disciplined enough to sacrifice for the team, wilshere isn't.

Also, Ozil will no doubt continued to be used on the left.

[Penguin]

Arteta or flamini have to be there in place of wilshere. They are far from the ideal option bit they are at least disciplined enough to sacrifice for the team, wilshere isn't.
Agreed, we need Arteta/Flamini for balance. Ramsey and Wilshere should be competing for the same spot until one of them inevitably gets injured for 6 months and makes the decision for us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Doesn't make any sense for Arteta or Flamini to start in that formation, it would kill the counter attack. It would be the wider men in the three that would be expected to drop back while Ramsey and Wilshere moved centrally when we were defending. Arteta and Flamini would be okay defensively but we'd lose the attacking purpose of the formation going forward (at speed). Maybe Arteta could do it (don't think so really) but certainly not Flamini. Face it, he's cover for the defence this year anyway.

[I am invisible]

Me too, I like his workrate and his pace. He is obviously still quite raw but the potential is there. He could turn out to be a decent signing!

We've worked with worse! In my opinion, Welbeck's technique looks better than Adebayor's ever was for us, and his work-rate and attitude are on another level completely - if we somehow managed to get 30 goals out of Ade in a single season, then I don't see why we shouldn't be quietly confident about Welbeck breaking the 20 barrier on a regular basis, and maybe even getting more on a good year?

And compared to what we currently have in Sanogo, who doesn't even look like a footballer, then he's an infinite improvement!

[Dein-machine]

Me too, I like his workrate and his pace. He is obviously still quite raw but the potential is there. He could turn out to be a decent signing!

Certainly should play pub teams at Emirates with this line up & drop the need for a DM. At home against the pub teams the ball spends 80% of its time in their half, this is where you need your players.
As I think Sanch has better work rate, I'd play Rambo on his side of midfield allowing him a bit more freedom to make his forward runs. So its a simple swap of Rambo & Jack for me.

[Master Splinter]

He'll do just fine for us. Extra motivation for him being a Manc to ruin City next week as well on his debut.

Fair to say we all secretly rated him anyway but only poked fun because he didn't play for us. :coffee:

He has motivation to do extra well against Citeh, Liverpool and United.

Stunning foresight from Wemger. :bow:

Also, I don't recall ever laughing at our Danny.

[Master Splinter]

Agreed, he'll fit right in.

I figured this out - he's not Sanogo, it isn't my money being spent, he's still got about 60 days credit with the media while the Utd AFFECT wears off, he's not Sanogo but most importantly he's not Sanogo.

So in the end, good signing.

I think people may also be forgetting the fact he's not Sanogo.

You said affect instead of effect. :haha:

What a retard :pal:.

[GP]

He'll do just fine for us. Extra motivation for him being a Manc to ruin City next week as well on his debut.

Fair to say we all secretly rated him anyway but only poked fun because he didn't play for us. :coffee:

Of course, I always rated him.

That's I coined the phrase 'Danny Welgood'

Because he's well good.

[Penguin]

Doesn't make any sense for Arteta or Flamini to start in that formation, it would kill the counter attack. It would be the wider men in the three that would be expected to drop back while Ramsey and Wilshere moved centrally when we were defending. Arteta and Flamini would be okay defensively but we'd lose the attacking purpose of the formation going forward (at speed). Maybe Arteta could do it (don't think so really) but certainly not Flamini. Face it, he's cover for the defence this year anyway.

Isn't it our normal formation? :unsure:

[Syn]

http://arseblog.com/2014/09/welbecks-mellow-gold/

Top read.

[BOBN]

take wellbeck out of the xi and put podolski in and i'd agree
Podolski has started his last game for the club :pal:

[Power n Glory]

take wellbeck out of the xi and put podolski in and i'd agree

What game have you seen where Podolski has played well as a lone striker? He's too lazy to play there. He needs to up his work rate if he wants to play for us anytime soon.

[Niall_Quinn]

You said affect instead of effect. :haha:

What a retard :pal:.

Your insults do not effect me

[Niall_Quinn]

He has motivation to do extra well against Citeh, Liverpool and United.

Stunning foresight from Wemger. :bow:

Also, I don't recall ever laughing at our Danny.

I think we're the only two that didn't give him a hard time when he was at Utd.

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn't it our normal formation? :unsure:

Yes, the plodding, reverse counter at 3mph formation. Hopefully we won't be doing that any more.

[Ollie the Optimist]

What game have you seen where Podolski has played well as a lone striker? He's too lazy to play there. He needs to up his work rate if he wants to play for us anytime soon.

Have to agree with this. He's ok as a sub on the left, but he just cannot start nor lead the line. He doesn't work hard enough. On sunday, he came on, and barely did a thing, he didn't make runs at all. Last season was the same

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://arseblog.com/2014/09/welbecks-mellow-gold/

Top read.

Good piece. Thanks

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He has motivation to do extra well against Citeh, Liverpool and United.

Stunning foresight from Wemger. :bow:

Also, I don't recall ever laughing at our Danny.

You did once, when I backed Bryan Ruiz as a winner.

As for Welbz, in terms of build up play it is probably a very wise signing but I don't expect the goals to rattle in though.

[Injury Time]

Pfft bench Welbz Sanogo of fire for France*

http://www.arsenalstation.com/2014/09/04/video-watch-yaya-sanogo-hit-double-for-france-under-21s/?


*okay one is a scuffer, the other not bad but he really does LACK POWER** on his shoots

**used with numpty Neville's permission

[Niall_Quinn]

How is that second not offside? He's last man, ahead of the ball and receives a forward pass. Isn't that the perfect offside?

[WMUG]

We don't see when the ball is played to him, do we?