Match Reaction vs Dortmund

[The Emirates Gallactico]

:ilt:

[adzzzbatch]

Fucking awful :ilt: :ilt: :ilt: :ilt:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We were wondering whether the FA cup should have been Wenger's parade into a new era or his farewell. Well it's clear now that it should have been his final goodbye.

[alexander]

we are worse than last season, and this performance was utter, utter turd.

[Kano]

Fourth is going to be one almighty struggle this year.

[Maestro]

we all know what the problem is, nothing more to say really :shrug:

[LDG]

Utter rubbish.

Can't remember the last competetive game I thought we played well in.

Some time before Christmas I think.

We have the players, but no leadership.

Stuck in a dream that we needn't think about the opposition if we pass the ball well. And that's about it.

About time someone stopped this charade.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Genuinely hoped he would go out on a high.

We are pretty much fucked for the best part of another three seasons.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Genuinely hoped he would go out on a high.

We are pretty much fucked for the best part of another three seasons.

:gp:

[Marc Overmars]

No shocks or surprises here, we were soundly beaten by the superior team.

Yet another hopeless effort against a side of quality.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

We were wondering whether the FA cup should have been Wenger's parade into a new era or his farewell. Well it's clear now that it should have been his final goodbye.

We nearly fucked up the FA cup as well with those two goals we let in! Thank fuck that was Hull and not a good team like Dortmund otherwise we would have been demolished there as well.

We all know the problem. Clearly nothing has change or will change. Wenger's just completely tactically inept in any big or important game. He can't just tell the players to "play their football" and expect things to work out in the current era of modern football.

[selassie]

That was just horrible and I am starting to really worry about us, we've been awful this season, really awful.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger schooled by Klopp. Latter shows ho to squeeze every last ounce from the players you have available. Dortmund had big names missing tonight, but it made no difference as they out ran us, out passed us and out thought us. Everything right with their game, everything wrong with ours. A tournament for Europe's elite and we get one shot at their goal. Embarrassing. A down to earth manager could get twice as much out of our players.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Players come and go but there's one constant.

[Burley Gooner]

Absolute pathetic performance and pathetic tactics from Wenger. We've played sh*t for most part of the season. Too many passengers in the first eleven.

[Marc Overmars]

Stuck in a dream that we needn't think about the opposition if we pass the ball well. And that's about it.

About time someone stopped this charade.

A charade, that's exactly what it is.

It's funny hearing the commentators ramble on about how out of character the sloppy passing was, but the truth is that it's been going on for 2-3 years now. This Arsenal team are not a possession side, we're nowhere near effective enough with the ball. Infact I don't even know what we are, we have no identity or style.

[Seaman's Ponytail]

The slight hope i had for our season after an improved showing against City is well and truly gone now.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We are shit.

[LDG]

We all know the problem. Clearly nothing has change or will change. Wenger's just completely tactically inept in any big or important game. He can't just tell the players to "play their football" and expect things to work out in the current era of modern football.

Sums it up perfectly for me.

The only way that would be possible is if we had all of the best players in the world.

We have very good players, but to get them winning, they also need a manager capable of guiding them.

It's such a farce when you think about it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck.

[Kano]

A charade, that's exactly what it is.

It's funny hearing the commentators ramble on about how out of character the sloppy passing was, but the truth is that it's been going on for 2-3 years now. This Arsenal team are not a possession side, we're nowhere near effective enough with the ball. Infact I don't even know what we are, we have no identity or style.

Wenger has continued to try to turn is into Barcelona. Without a messi. Or xavi. Or iniesta. Or busq...

[adzzzbatch]

A charade, that's exactly what it is.

It's funny hearing the commentators ramble on about how out of character the sloppy passing was, but the truth is that it's been going on for 2-3 years now. This Arsenal team are not a possession side, we're nowhere near effective enough with the ball. Infact I don't even know what we are, we have no identity or style.

Yeah I've noticed this! "their usual high standards" well like you say we haven't been able to pass all that well for 3 years.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Men against boys. We were shocking tonight truly absyml. My sunday pub team would have made a better game of it. We are shit under wenger and we will remain the weakest of the top 4/5 teams in the Premier league. Dont be surprised we get turned over in belguim and Turket. Europa league here we come.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Genuinely feel embarrassed for Sanchez. Must be ruing his decision to take a colossal drop in quality.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wenger has continued to try to turn is into Barcelona. Without a messi. Or xavi. Or iniesta. Or busq...

We need a clean break from Wenger and his mediocre mindset.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

well it's interesting that we adapted from one touch passing or two or three touch passing to build a team around Fabregas, the same Fabregas who left three years ago.

What annoys me is that we get pushed back towards our own goal, and then conceed both goals from losing possession in midfield.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Poor Sanchez, he must be regretting the day he turned down Liverpool to join our pile of dog shite. As much as i hate the guy, Mourinho did the best business in the summer. Fabregas and Costa will see them champions with atealest 5 games to spare and possibly the champions league if those two stay fit.

[Niall_Quinn]

Genuinely feel embarrassed for Sanchez. Must be ruing his decision to take a colossal drop in quality.

I don't feel embarrassed for him. I wouldn't be embarrassed if I had a cool pad in a swish area of London, a fancy car, a plastic titted up missus, got to play footie instead or work and got paid a fortune for doing it. I'd be pretty made up. Would even boast about it.

[Globalgunner]

well it's interesting that we adapted from one touch passing or two or three touch passing to build a team around Fabregas, the same Fabregas who left three years ago.

What annoys me is that we get pushed back towards our own goal, and then conceed both goals from losing possession in midfield.
Hasnt it always been thus. Flamini is a poor DM but Arteta is simply atrocious. He is a bloody liability

[Kano]

We don't even dominate possession as we used to. Teams used to sit off us but now close us down and because we cut inside, or pass sideways so much we are easily shutdown.

[Munchies]

No midfield.

Fucking hell

Arteta :ilt:

Ozil :haha:

[gunnerrrrr]

Fucking embarrassing.

Is it even about the players?

For me its 100% about one person - Wenger.

Tactically utterly clueless. Has no answer for teams who play us at a high tempo...whether its Liverpool, Chelsea, Dortmund.

What is discussed before games, what are we doing in training.

3 more years of this.......The guy is so comfortable, he will go home to his fine wine, £10m house, and start again tomorrow with his usual bullshit.

Too many shockingly awful performances during the last 5 years to conclude anything but the downfall of a once brilliant, forward thinking manager.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Don't know where to begin. I don't usually comment on the ref, but I thought he was a joke. Can't mask how woeful we were. What exactly are we trying to win with this lot?....I mean seriously....?

[selassie]

Wenger needs to quit with this crazy formation and make a decision between picking Jack or Ramsey. We have other issues, but going back to what we know might yield some positive results. This new formation is killing is and doesn't benefit jack, ramsey or ozil!

[Master Splinter]

When you get outclassed in every way by a superior opponent (Barcelona a few seasons ago/United with Ronaldo) you can't be too upset, but when you contribute to it by being completely hapless in possession, in thought, in energy, in work-rate, it's unacceptable from all involved really.

You can tell when it's going to be a bad day because we fail with two-yard passes from the first minute to the last. It's criminal to constantly mess up at the basics for 90 minutes at this level.

Even as we were getting battered, we still had chances when we somehow strung a move together. Neither Welbeck chance was completely clear-cut and he should be given the benefit of the doubt, but if he continues to miss the target it will become a huge problem. He had another decent game though, considering what he was working with.

Only Wilshere, Welbeck and Szczesny come out of it with some credit. Even though Szczesny made some poor decisions tonight. Bellerin wasn't too bad either in fairness. I'm sure Debuchy would have been just as exposed, as he's always caught high up the pitch.

Wenger needs to make some changes for the weekend because playing out-of-form players or those who those are ineffective when the game quickens is only going to cause more damage. Rosicky, Cazorla, Campbell and even Diaby deserve a shot. What's the point of options if you're going to stick with under-performing favourites?

Arsenal :doh:.

I think we'll get through the group and avoid relegation and administration though.

#wegoagain

[Thierrymon]

Definitely not worth getting up at 4:45am for that.

Wenger is out of his depth. Our records against the better teams now is so poor. Everyone has figured out how to play against us yet wenger sees no need to try and alter our style of play.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I don't think Sanchez thinking how the hell did I end up here should be his first thought.....it should be his second. After how the hell did I not find a blue shirt all night. I think he was just thrown by Arsenal playing in blue.

[adzzzbatch]

When you get outclassed in every way by a superior opponent (Barcelona a few seasons ago/United with Ronaldo) you can't be too upset, but when you contribute to it by being completely hapless in possession, in thought, in energy, in work-rate, it's unacceptable from all involved really.

You can tell when it's going to be a bad day because we fail with two-yard passes from the first minute to the last. It's criminal to constantly mess up at the basics for 90 minutes at this level.

Even as we were getting battered, we still had chances when we somehow strung a move together. Neither Welbeck chance was completely clear-cut and he should be given the benefit of the doubt, but if he continues to miss the target it will become a huge problem. He had another decent game though, considering what he was working with.

Only Wilshere, Welbeck and Szczesny come out of it with some credit. Even though Szczesny made some poor decisions tonight. Bellerin wasn't too bad either in fairness. I'm sure Debuchy would have been just as exposed, as he's always caught high up the pitch.

Wenger needs to make some changes for the weekend because playing out-of-form players or those who those are ineffective when the game quickens is only going to cause more damage. Rosicky, Cazorla, Campbell and even Diaby deserve a shot. What's the point of options if you're going to stick with under-performing favourites?

Arsenal :doh:.

I think we'll get through the group and avoid relegation and administration though.

#wegoagain

:gp:

I agree with most of that.

[adzzzbatch]

I don't think Sanchez thinking how the hell did I end up here should be his first thought.....it should be his second. After how the hell did I not find a blue shirt all night. I think he was just thrown by Arsenal playing in blue.

Apart from the first 5 minutes he was very poor tonight.

[Ernesto]

I've had enough of Wenger not playing to the opposition's strengths and weaknesses. This isn't 2004 any more. A mere "do what you do best" team talk will not suffice.

[Power n Glory]

Jack, Chesney and Bellerin only derserve above average marks for this game.

Kos and Merts have truly lost it. They were terrible. Gibbs was pretty pointless as well. Our defence weren't helped by probably the most shocking defensive midfield performance I've seen since Denilson held down a first team spot. Arteta was awful. Shunned responsibilty, hid from the ball when our defenders needed to dish off a pass, offered them no protection.

Same goes for Aaron Ramsey. He's fucking lost it. We played a lot better once he was off for Cazorla and Jack stayed deeper. Ozil...another meh performance. A passenger. Sanchez had a shit game. Works his socks off but needs to learn how to pass. Danny Welbeck....Welshit! On that performance, he's no better than Sanogo. 4 chances fell to him and he didn't hit the target and work the keeper once.

Wenger has to take these guys back to basics ASAP. They let Dortmund pass freely and didn't put any pressure on them or attempt to win the ball. It was the same against City when try had long spells of possession.

[ARightTouch]

Hasnt it always been thus. Flamini is a poor DM but Arteta is simply atrocious. He is a bloody liability

Its comical that Wenger sees Arteta as our DM. Im pretty sure he wasn't a DM at Everton, even David Moyes could see that.

[Bumble]

That was total wank.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I've had enough of Wenger not playing to the opposition's strengths and weaknesses. This isn't 2004 any more. A mere "do what you do best" team talk will not suffice.
Does anyone know what we do best anymore?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Jack, Chesney and Bellerin only derserve above average marks for this game.

Kos and Merts have truly lost it. They were terrible. Gibbs was pretty pointless as well. Our defence weren't helped by probably the most shocking defensive midfield performance I've seen since Denilson held down a first team spot. Arteta was awful. Shunned responsibilty, hid from the ball when our defenders needed to dish off a pass, offered them no protection.

Same goes for Aaron Ramsey. He's fucking lost it. We played a lot better once he was off for Cazorla and Jack stayed deeper. Ozil...another meh performance. A passenger. Sanchez had a shit game. Works his socks off but needs to learn how to pass. Danny Welbeck....Welshit! On that performance, he's no better than Sanogo. 4 chances fell to him and he didn't hit the target and work the keeper once.

Wenger has to take these guys back to basics ASAP. They let Dortmund pass freely and didn't put any pressure on them or attempt to win the ball. It was the same against City when try had long spells of possession.
How can he take then back to the basics?

Wenger does not understand the basics himself. That is the number 1 problem at this Club.

[Power n Glory]

Does anyone know what we do best anymore?

We specialise in failure and we do it well!

[Marc Overmars]

On paper this team should be very good but it just goes to show you need a clear and distinct way of playing, because right now we're nowhere near the sum of our parts and we'll continue to bumble our way through matches as long as that remains the same. Things will only change once Wenger starts to rotate with a degree of regularity and give others an opportunity, that way we might stumble upon something more effective and won't be as predictable to play against.

[LDG]

Its comical that Wenger sees Arteta as our DM. Im pretty sure he wasn't a DM at Everton, even David Moyes could see that.

I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.

We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY

Still relevant after all these years :lol:

[Globalgunner]

Our true claim to fame is being the club that spends the least in order to stay ahead of the Spuds. That is Wenger's real genius

[The Emirates Gallactico]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY

Still relevant after all these years :lol:

Don't think it is as we've actually spent decent money this summer and even last summer with Ozil.


The fact that we still look poor despite it all is the worrying thing.

[Globalgunner]

I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.


We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

In short. we need a fantastical DM!

[Munchies]

Don't think it is as we've actually spent decent money this summer and even last summer with Ozil.


The fact that we still look poor despite it all is the worrying thing.

Team is still shit thin in terms of depth

[Power n Glory]

How can he take then back to the basics?

Wenger does not understand the basics himself. That is the number 1 problem at this Club.

Very true. The way we're set up defend looks like that's how they've been instructed to defend in training. Patients and not making mistakes is key to defending but we've gone so far off the deep end with that mantra that we look almost passive.

[Niall_Quinn]

We had a good moan about a bad result going there for a while. Then the knee-jerkers with their massive overreactions ruined it.

[Munchies]

What about this 4-1-4-1 shit Wenger is going with?

[LDG]

What about this 4-1-4-1 shit Wenger is going with?

I'd say it wasn't working.

[Power n Glory]

I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.

We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

Indeed. I suspect Wenger originally put him there so he can sit and help launch attacks. Help dictate the tempo and be that outlet from deep because he's supposed to be a good passer. But if you sit and watch what he contributes and it's woeful. He doesn't come looking to collect the ball from Merts or Kos. He'd rather let them play the ball out to the midfield whilst he covers them. He's an absolute coward. Once Wilshere took on a deeper role and we had Cazorla on the pitch, we looked a lot better in possession. But I also suspect Dortmund started to ease off us. But we'll never know.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not really a 4-1-4-1, more a left side, right, side, do the tippy tappy, turn it all about formation. beautiful triangles and rotations and 1% sub red-line energy peaks. All ruined by the other team who have no respect.

[Letters]

Bloody hell :ilt:

Always a tough game but really wasn't expecting that much of a battering.

2-0 massively flattered us. Awful.

:upset:

[Munchies]

What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?

[gunnerrrrr]

Has the fucking knob jockey actually come out of his fucking rock and said anything to the media in relation to his complete shite of a job tonight

[ARightTouch]

In short. we need a fantastical DM!

Yep.

Just watching the highlights now and Arteta was absolutely calamitous. He just cant run, and considering how many times we get done on the counter we need a DM who can run. This is not Artetas fault, it lies with Wenger playing him there.

But, if Wenger hasn't learnt this by now then he never will because hes had enough chances to.

[Power n Glory]

He wasn't happy with the performance as expected. Said it was a below par performance, couldn't understand why energy levels were so low. Could have been the City game. Even though we were dominated, we created plenty of chances and should have scored. Welbeck needs a goal.

That's it in short.

[fakeyank]

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.

[gunnerrrrr]

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.

Hahahahaha so true....been like tht for the last 4 years but with the Wenger support getting thinner each season.

[RomfordPele]

What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?

This was the worst of a whole bunch of bad decisions wenger has made over the last eight years. Unforgivable. I would have supported selling any one of our midfielders to make space for cesc. And who was he saving the money for? Welbeck?! Or that world class centre half or dcm we didn't sign? Stubborn, stupid, egotistical old git.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We had a good moan about a bad result going there for a while. Then the knee-jerkers with their massive overreactions ruined it.
Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He wasn't happy with the performance as expected. Said it was a below par performance, couldn't understand why energy levels were so low. Could have been the City game. Even though we were dominated, we created plenty of chances and should have scored. Welbeck needs a goal.

That's it in short.
It could have been the Rophenal in the pre-match lasagne.

[Munchies]

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

:gp:

Can't say I've ever seen a team as disjointed as this one.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

Don't moan. 9 years of the same shit you knee-jerk.

[Munchies]

Even with United now, you can see a base to their team.

Defence, Blind sitting infront, Di Maria roaming etc

Liverpool have Gerrard/Henderson sitting infront.

Chelsea probably have the best in Matic/Cesc

With us, I can't see anything like that, it's all a mess!

pass, pass, pass, do a crap through ball for Welbeck/Sanogo to chase, nothing comes from it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Utd have 1 bad season and spend £150m to sort their team out

We've had 9 bad seasons and same old shit

[Power n Glory]

Jack twisted his ankle. Could be another injury on the cards.

[adzzzbatch]

Jack twisted his ankle. Could be another injury on the cards.

Highly likely he could hardly move in the last 3 minutes.

[Niall_Quinn]

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

Nah, we've has Ches is shit, Ozil is shit, Arteta is shit, Welbeck is shit, done the Jack is shit, Kos and Merts are shit, everyone and everything is shit. Which in itself is shit. Nothing wrong with our players, it's the manager. Poor tactics, poor appreciation of the opposition, refusal to reinforce key areas of the squad, refusal to stick players in the best positions, determination to play this slow paced, tippy tappy congested flicky stuff that requires a miracle to pull off, crappy subs. But the shit, shit, shit, everything is shit shit some are coming out with is shit.

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't moan. 9 years of the same shit you knee-jerk.

Not even close to being 9 years of the same shit. Major changes include, signing rather than selling decent players, spending some fucking money, finally winning a trophy, getting closer to the top teams in terms of points. Same tactical shit, or lack of it, same stubbornness from the manager, but not the same 9 years across the board and wrong of anyone to claim it is.

[Niall_Quinn]

Utd have 1 bad season and spend £150m to sort their team out

We've had 9 bad seasons and same old shit

One win against an absolutely dreadful QPR doesn't mean they have sorted their team out. They didn't play so well themselves, especially some of the "Gallacticos" live van Cash and ROOOOOOOON-EH! (missed as usual). Let's see what's sorted and not sorted by Christmas.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Same tactical shit, or lack of it, same stubbornness from the manager.

Thank you and goodnight

[Niall_Quinn]

Thank you and goodnight

I can't think of a single person on here who doesn't accept Wenger is a problem in terms of the tactical side of our game. The whole stay/ go argument took that into account. It also accounted for the overall running of the club, some wanted a change, others considered this a critical period in which change could cause problems. Some wanted Moyes to come in. Others Owen Coyle - I shit you not. For every problem on the pitch there's a gold plated achievement off it and that's what's going to put the cash and stability in the pocket of the next manager to come in. Or we can do a chavski and sack the manager every 5 minutes.

[Ralpheroo72]

:rose:

[Bumble]

Wenger won't go unless we miss out on 4th place. Chelsea and city will finish above us due to the salaries they spend and squad size.

United is interesting as without Europe they can focus on the league. Still light defensively but against most teams there attack should be enough.

I think it's us v Liverpool for 4th. Still fancy us to do it as losing Suarez will cost them in games like villa.

January isn't a window Wenger likes to use so we are stuck with what we have.

[Kano]

:gp:

Can't say I've ever seen a team as disjointed as this one.

Well that's one way to undermine the post you've just quoted.

[Letters]

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.
That isn't what happened last year. :shrug:
We got 79 points - the most we'd got for years. We didn't 'scrape' the 4th place trophy, it was very comfortable. And we won the FA Cup.
If that isn't progress then I don't know what is :shrug:
I don't know where it's going so badly wrong right now because we seemed to be making some good signings but the City game aside we've been awful so far.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Nah, we've has Ches is shit, Ozil is shit, Arteta is shit, Welbeck is shit, done the Jack is shit, Kos and Merts are shit, everyone and everything is shit. Which in itself is shit. Nothing wrong with our players, it's the manager. Poor tactics, poor appreciation of the opposition, refusal to reinforce key areas of the squad, refusal to stick players in the best positions, determination to play this slow paced, tippy tappy congested flicky stuff that requires a miracle to pull off, crappy subs. But the shit, shit, shit, everything is shit shit some are coming out with is shit.
It doesn't matter which player is good or shit anymore.

It is all about our Manager.

[Power n Glory]

So Wilshere is limping around injured and Wenger doesn't think to sub him?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

So Wilshere is limping around injured and Wenger doesn't think to sub him?

We used up all our subs by that point.

Santi and Ox on for Ramsey and Ozil.

Podolski on for Arteta.

[adzzzbatch]

Dortmund’s players had run, collectively, 11km more than ours.

That's a disgrace and embarrassing.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxrqLpyIYAAdKMg.png

[Power n Glory]

We used up all our subs by that point.

Santi and Ox on for Ramsey and Ozil.

Podolski on for Arteta.

Ah, that explains it. I thought he lost the plot.

[adzzzbatch]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxrqLpyIYAAdKMg.png

:lol:

[Gooner23]

Match ratings;
Ches - 5
Gibbs - 5
Kos - 4
Per - 4
Bellerin - 5
Arteta - 3
Jack - 5
Ramsey - 4
Alexis - 5
Ozil - 4
Wellbeck - 5

Wenger - 0

That's about as bad as it gets. Can't remember a poorer performance in Europe. Podolski not being able to find his shin pad summed up how amateurish we were. Should have been an absolute pasting. Changes needed for this Sat, bring in Caz, Ox and Rosicky.

[Munchies]

Team for Villa:

Ches

Gibbs
Kosc
BFG
Chambers (One injury away from no backup CB :lol: )

Flamini
Ramsey/Rosicky

Ox
Ozil/Santi
Sanchez

Welbeck

[Power n Glory]

It was an awful night. I thought young Hector would be in for a torrid time on his debut but he was one of the better performers.

Another positive, I thought Santi and Ox looked good coming on. We had better spells of possession once Ramsey and Ozil were off. 25/37 passes completed for Ramsey. 68% completion rate. Poor. Ozil had 87% in comparison but only made 20/23 passes. Sanchez wasn’t much better. 69% pass completion. 24/35 passes. Compare that to Wilshere, 49/62 – 79% completion. It puts the rest of them to shame.

[Injury Time]

It was an awful night. I thought young Hector would be in for a torrid time on his debut but he was one of the better performers.

Another positive, I thought Santi and Ox looked good coming on. We had better spells of possession once Ramsey and Ozil were off. 25/37 passes completed for Ramsey. 68% completion rate. Poor. Ozil had 87% in comparison but only made 20/23 passes. Sanchez wasn’t much better. 69% pass completion. 24/35 passes. Compare that to Wilshere, 49/62 – 79% completion. It puts the rest of them to shame.
Fuck pass rate, how many shots at goal?

[Injury Time]

Match ratings;
Ches - 5
Gibbs - 5
Kos - 4
Per - 4
Bellerin - 5
Arteta - 3
Jack - 5
Ramsey - 4
Alexis - 5
Ozil - 4
Wellbeck - 5

Wenger - 0

That's about as bad as it gets. Can't remember a poorer performance in Europe. Podolski not being able to find his shin pad summed up how amateurish we were. Should have been an absolute pasting. Changes needed for this Sat, bring in Caz, Ox and Rosicky.
Presume those are minus signs?

[Letters]

Presume those are minus signs?
Wenger gets top marks again then.

Wenger :bow:

[Munchies]

We need Klopp

[Power n Glory]

Fuck pass rate, how many shots at goal?

3 attempts from Welbeck. None hit the target.

2 from Sanchez. 1 on target one blocked.

And that's it folks. One shot on target all night. Everyone else had 0 attempts. But what do you expect when we pass that badly and can't get out of our own half?

[BOBN]

What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?
His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

[Munchies]

We need a manager who knows what the team needs and what areas of the squad need strengthening.

We haven't replaced Vieira since he left 9 years ago now

We haven't replaced van Persie since he left 2 years ago

We only have 6 defenders. If Chambers gets injured playing at RB this week, we're fucked for CB cover!

Can't see us beating Villa at the weekend

[Munchies]

His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

Rather have Cesc in the number 10 than Ozil / Jack

[Power n Glory]

His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

So are you saying we need Jose instead?

Cesc would walk into our team at the moment.

[Letters]

Cesc would walk into our team at the moment.
And limp out 30 minutes in, probably <_<

[Niall_Quinn]

1st and 10, Wenger out of the huddle, comes to the line, takes the snap and hands it off to Arteta. Runs for a 2 yard gain. 2nd and 8.

Dortmund showing blitz, Wenger takes the snap. Hands it off to Arteta. No gain, run snuffed out at the line. Brings up 3rd and 8.

Welbeck moves wide, Dortmund CBs deep, Wenger at the line, takes the snap. Hands it off to Arteta who is stopped after a yard gain. 4th and 7 and they'll have to punt.

Kicking unit on, ball is snapped, fake play, hand off to Arteta who runs with it. No gain, they'll turn the ball over.

Defensive team on for Arsenal, all 3 of them.

[BOBN]

Rather have Cesc in the number 10 than Ozil / Jack
Yeah thats a different point.

In the summer I was dead against Fabregas because I wanted to give the likes of Ozil and Wilshere a chance.

Well, theyre shyt so I was wrong.

Oxil is the most costly signing of the premier league era. Cost us 42 million, cost us Cesc, cost all runners the title (to Chels)

[BOBN]

Also Mertersackers crapness this season makes a mockery of this "cant find a 4th choice defender" nonsense.

Just find the best defender you can find ffs and stop overthinking it.

LOL at defenders who conceded 6 against anybody decent last season being immune from competition.

"We want you but you have no chance of getting past Mert, Kos, and a kid called Chambers" :lol: I pray that the club didnt embarrass themselves spouting this nonsense to international class centre backs.

[Özim]

Said in the match thread at best I expected a draw, we got soundly beaten but then Dortmund are a decent team and we generally lose against the better teams.

Whilst we signed some good players in the summer, I don't think the business we did was right in terms of what the team needed, we always seem to be short because we never really bring in the right players. We needed an out and out goalscorer to win us games when things weren't working or take chances when they come, we didn't get one, we needed cover at CB after selling Vermaelen, we didn't sign any, we needed a defensivley minded midfielder to protected the defence, we didn't get one. We watch other clubs go out and sign players in the positions that are needed but every transfer window it's the same for us, random signings that dont on the surface of it appear to solve problems areas in the team.

It's clear the manager lacks certain key aspects of management, the only way to get round those it to have leaders on the pitch to do the job for him, I just don't think we have those.

We're stuck with this for another 3 years, things are predictable with Wenger, you know what you're going to get at the end of the season on the whole.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We simply have to get . . rid of the Manager. Doing anything else now is a waste of time and money.

[Niall_Quinn]

...the only way to get round those it to have leaders on the pitch to do the job for him, I just don't think we have those.

Was thinking the same thing while watching last night. But the players play like they are in a trance. I doubt they have any leeway to make calls on the pitch. Under normal circumstances that's probably a good thing as all sorts of disputes and confusion could arise. But when the manager is tactically clueless then as a last resort the captain's job should be to react and fix the problems. Such as leaving Ozil to cover the fullback, anyone can see that's not a good idea. We need somebody to grab Ozil and say, you, get in behind the striker. And then grab Ramsey and push him wide as cover. But whoever that player is might as well finish by sticking two fingers up at Wenger on the touchline, because I get the impression a quick exit would follow. Wenger has already shown he doesn't place any stock in the captain's role, he throws the title around as a bribe. It's a shame Vieira went to the gypos. I think he might have had the character to stand up to Wenger and at least give him a good argument.

[ARightTouch]

People might say this thread is knee jerk.

But actually this anti Wenger knee jerk match reaction thread happens too many times a year now for it to be classed as knee jerk.

If he stepped down after the FA Cup win he would have been remembered for his impressive past glories, and he probably still will whatever happens, but the longer he carries on dishing us plates of shit for dinner like last nights then the more of a sour after-taste I get in my mouth.

[Munchies]

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

[RomfordPele]

It's a shame Vieira went to the gypos. I think he might have had the character to stand up to Wenger and at least give him a good argument.

That's EXACTLY why he ended up at the gypos, NQ. There is no way would wenger tolerate a competing voice at the top table. It's the same reason why keown wasn't allowed to hang around after 2006, why Bergkamp has never been offered a coaching role, and why cesc is now at Chelsea and not running the show for us.

[Marc Overmars]

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

League Cup.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Congratulations to Wenger for destroying another promising career in Bellerin. His confidence must be rock bottom after 1 game and past experience tells us he'll be fucking useless now.

[Injury Time]

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

Who? :unsure:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

When he moves to Porto in January.

[Injury Time]

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

I think WUMger used the phrase "jog on" rather than "run out" :shrug:

[Ollie the Optimist]

i can't even be bothered to try and attempt to find any positives or try and defend wenger. I can't even be bothered to get angry about it. thats how bad its got, i just can't be bothered to even watch us in big games anymore. we know what will happen.

[Injury Time]

,
3 attempts from Welbeck. None hit the target.

2 from Sanchez. 1 on target one blocked.

And that's it folks. One shot on target all night. Everyone else had 0 attempts. But what do you expect when we pass that badly and can't get out of our own half?

Just hoof it! ;)

[selassie]

i can't even be bothered to try and attempt to find any positives or try and defend wenger. I can't even be bothered to get angry about it. thats how bad its got, i just can't be bothered to even watch us in big games anymore. we know what will happen.

It's not just the big games, we have been woeful in every game so far this season.

Wenger needs to swallow his pride and scrap this new formation, it's a mess. He needs to get the team to go back to basics. No more square pegs in round holes.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i can't even be bothered to try and attempt to find any positives or try and defend wenger. I can't even be bothered to get angry about it. thats how bad its got, i just can't be bothered to even watch us in big games anymore. we know what will happen.

You know it's bad when even Ollie has given up.

[Injury Time]

i can't even be bothered to try and attempt to find any positives or try and defend wenger. I can't even be bothered to get angry about it. thats how bad its got, i just can't be bothered to even watch us in big games anymore. we know what will happen.
Optimism clique RIP :rose:

[Letters]

It's not just the big games, we have been woeful in every game so far this season.
Not against City.
Heard we were pretty good vs Besiktas (sp) at home too but I didn't see that one.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not against City.
Heard we were pretty good vs Besiktas (sp) at home too but I didn't see that one.

i agree we were good against city, very good going forward and probably should have won. however, like all big games recently, i just couldn't see us holding on to that win. The equaliser was just typical.

[Letters]

i agree we were good against city, very good going forward and probably should have won. however, like all big games recently, i just couldn't see us holding on to that win. The equaliser was just typical.

I think last year we'd have held on. There's something going very wrong this year. The City performance was a good one and gave me home but last night it was back to the crap we've seen in other games.
We looked massively out of our depth.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Wengers excuse of why Dortmunds energy levels were much than our woeful over paid priks. "They had an easier game at the weekend" Thats your pathetic reason of why we were over ran all over the park. Our defence never got a breather and were camped on our 18 yard line. It's a disaster and it will get much worse in the coming weeks.

[BOBN]

So are you saying we need Jose instead?

Cesc would walk into our team at the moment.
Jose took 20 minutes to solve the Cesc issue, you might never see him in the '2' again except for against the lowliest of sides. Wenger took 3 years to solve that one only after we we're struggling to get back into 4th and getting destroyed by the likes of Hull at home.

Jose needed a DM, he got him.

A striker, got three.

Hazard is lightyears ahead of Ozil in terms of talent let alone actual play at a fraction of the price.

Other managers see issues and address them. To not buy a central defender and CM....thats it. The end. Hes done.

[Dein-machine]

You know it's bad when even Ollie has given up.

:d - but Letters is still hanging on to the "Wonders of Wenger" - Is Letters Gazidis?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Letters :lol:

Lost cause.

[Letters]

:d - but Letters is still hanging on to the "Wonders of Wenger"
Yep, that's exactly what I've said :good:

[Power n Glory]

Jose took 20 minutes to solve the Cesc issue, you might never see him in the '2' again except for against the lowliest of sides. Wenger took 3 years to solve that one only after we we're struggling to get back into 4th and getting destroyed by the likes of Hull at home.

Jose needed a DM, he got him.

A striker, got three.

Hazard is lightyears ahead of Ozil in terms of talent let alone actual play at a fraction of the price.

Other managers see issues and address them. To not buy a central defender and CM....thats it. The end. Hes done.

Most managers are flexible and can adjust tactics on the fly. Cesc will most likely play in as CM again for Jose but may also play as the number 10. You adjust depending on the opponent and especially if you have a player like Cesc that can play deep or further up. The problem with Wenger is that he needs to see something fail 50 times before adjusting his tactics.

[Power n Glory]

We simply have to get . . rid of the Manager. Doing anything else now is a waste of time and money.

That’s the only thing left. This is a brand new squad and the have the same hallmark traits as Wenger’s other teams that failed. He’s spent money and it’s still the same problems.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep, that's exactly what I've said :good:

Just remember the old saying - there's no river in Egypt called de nile!

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Wengers excuse of why Dortmunds energy levels were much than our woeful over paid priks. "They had an easier game at the weekend" Thats your pathetic reason of why we were over ran all over the park. Our defence never got a breather and were camped on our 18 yard line. It's a disaster and it will get much worse in the coming weeks.

The worst thing is that he plays the same XI every week unless he's forced into a change and then wonders why we look so lethargic.

We've got a lot of attacking depth up front - he needs to rotate and use it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is going nowhere for 3 years. Let's just accept that.

So what realistic possibilities are there, if any, to try and take advantage of the fact we have the likes of Ozil, Alexis, Ramsey, Ox, Cazorla, etc in the team. Last night if you'd have swapped the managers Klopp would have used our resources to give Dortmund a good hiding. We have better players than them, but we don't have a better team. Could we do something like try to provoke Wenger every game so he reacts and gets sent to the stands? Could we kidnap him on Saturday mornings? Move the stadium and not tell him where it is? Hold up big signs during the match begging him not to do the things we want him to do, so he does them? Get our own substitution board and whistle so we can make changes during the match? Hire our really crappy cousins to pose as young French or African footballers and send Wenger on endless scouting trips to watch them?

There must be something that can be done?

[Özim]

The players we have are set up for a pacey game, the painfully slow style we have just makes them look really ordinary, alas Wenger is still obsessed with creating a mini Barcelona, this time one that can't even pass that well.

[Power n Glory]

Not against City.
Heard we were pretty good vs Besiktas (sp) at home too but I didn't see that one.

The way we stood off Dortmund yesterday is the same way we stood off Man City over the weekend. We were exposed yesterday because we faced a team that pressed higher up the pitch and have a mean passing game. That's the difference. We haven't been playing well.

[Letters]

The way we stood off Dortmund yesterday is the same way we stood off Man City over the weekend. We were exposed yesterday because we faced a team that pressed higher up the pitch and have a mean passing game. That's the difference. We haven't been playing well.
We bossed the City game till they scored, that did take the wind out of our sails.
Last night we were getting hammered from the get go.
There's no comparison in terms of the performance.

[Dein-machine]

We cannot compete consistently at the top level with the players we have. Mourinho would have struggled last night with the players we have, ofcourse he may have attempted to change things tactically which he can do, Wenger can't, but if you have a slow dinosaur at the back & a non existant annoying little Spaniard protecting the back 4 along with a non winger/non moving German who thinks he's too good for us, a welshmen who's forgotten he was good last year & a striker who is a known non-finisher then you're in trouble.
To still have players in the starting 11 like Arteta, Merts & Gibbs & with back up like Flamini, Monreal & Sonogo in important positions, we are not going to compete & we are showing no ambition to do so.
This ofcourse is all down to Wenger. The FA cup win whilst getting the monkey off our back has actually derailed any quick future progress as we have shot ourselves in the foot with his 3 year contract. That contract should have been given to him on the basis that we show ambition to compete by strengthening the squad where needed WITHOUT FAIL. If Wenger accepted this but said "it will cost you" then its up to the board to back him.
To not have decent defensive cover, to not have a quality defensive midfielder, to only buy a striker on the last day of the window by "luck" - in Wengers own words, when we have needed one for 3 years is nothing short of negligence by Wenger & others have lost their jobs for far less.
What I would give for a board member to have the bollocks to tell him a few home truths. I firmly believe he wasn't going to buy a striker on the last day, the press put him under pressure to do the obvious all of that week - now the press are asking about our need for a defensive midfielder. It should embarras him that he isn't acting on areas of weakness that CANNOT be argued by anyone & that members of the press can attack him on this. He's attacked for not having a striker in the team, he responds that he has quality strikers in Podolski, Samchez, Walcott, Campbell & doesn't need anymore - he buys Welbeck. Yesterday he is asked why he wont buy a proper defensive midfeilder, he responds " If I find one better than the one Ive got then I'll buy one" - really Arsene, no one better than Arteta in DM in world football, there are plenty but you won't pay for whats required.
If these performances continue & they will, if our board have any ambition at all they must give him NO option but to strengthen in the Jan window. It will give us a better chance to finish 4th & maybe have another cup run, but above all to start to compete against the big teams.
I'm afraid the guy is an danger of becoming a real hindrance to AFC & the people around him shouldn't allow that to happen - we do have a lot to be grateful for & thats how he should be remembered.

[selassie]

Not against City.
Heard we were pretty good vs Besiktas (sp) at home too but I didn't see that one.

I stand corrected, we were decent in mini spells against City, but overall our performance was nothing to shout about. Besiktas was similar to the City game from what I remember and we were hanging on for dear life at the end.

I suppose my point is that Wenger needs to make changes now, this new formation isn't working IMO and he should just abandon it asap.

[fakeyank]

That isn't what happened last year. :shrug:
We got 79 points - the most we'd got for years. We didn't 'scrape' the 4th place trophy, it was very comfortable. And we won the FA Cup.
If that isn't progress then I don't know what is :shrug:
I don't know where it's going so badly wrong right now because we seemed to be making some good signings but the City game aside we've been awful so far.

We got 83 points in 07/08. Its not about the points in 07/08 or last year, because a club charging the highest ticket prices in world football should be challenging for the title till the end (at least once in two seasons).

We also got 4th place (could be 3rd place) trophy comfortably the season before last. So we regress and progress in getting 4th place trophy. Where is the progress?

The ONLY sign of progress footballistically was winning the FA Cup trophy and nothing else. Our football is dire as ever, our tactics are dire as ever, our manager does not address the crucial areas. No progress in my mind.

[Power n Glory]

We bossed the City game till they scored, that did take the wind out of our sails.
Last night we were getting hammered from the get go.
There's no comparison in terms of the performance.

That’s perception. Each team plays differently and we haven’t gone from 100 to zero in the space of one game. In spells where City attacked, we stood off them in the same way we did against Dortmund. City were set up to counter in the first half. They weren’t as aggressive with the way they pressed compared to Dortmund. We looked okay when we had a chance to attack Dortmund but for the majority of the game they shut us down in our own half. City weren’t set up to press like that but haven’t changed our defensive style at all. We switch off and give our opponents way too much space. That didn’t just develop overnight. Did you see Neville’s analysis on Monday Night Footballn when City had a few chances towards the end of the game? It was almost the same as what we saw yesterday. Wave after wave of attack.

[Power n Glory]

We bossed the City game till they scored, that did take the wind out of our sails.
Last night we were getting hammered from the get go.
There's no comparison in terms of the performance.

I’ve said this before, but you don’t notice the details until we’re hit with a loss. These sort of results don’t just come out of nowhere.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

In a world where tactics are vital we just turn up and 'play our game'.

Suicidal.

[BOBN]

Wenger is going nowhere for 3 years. Let's just accept that.

So what realistic possibilities are there, if any, to try and take advantage of the fact we have the likes of Ozil, Alexis, Ramsey, Ox, Cazorla, etc in the team. Last night if you'd have swapped the managers Klopp would have used our resources to give Dortmund a good hiding. We have better players than them, but we don't have a better team. Could we do something like try to provoke Wenger every game so he reacts and gets sent to the stands? Could we kidnap him on Saturday mornings? Move the stadium and not tell him where it is? Hold up big signs during the match begging him not to do the things we want him to do, so he does them? Get our own substitution board and whistle so we can make changes during the match? Hire our really crappy cousins to pose as young French or African footballers and send Wenger on endless scouting trips to watch them?

There must be something that can be done?
I take a handful of non-descript French-Africans over our non-existent midfield right now.

Any incarnation of a "new Vieira" would be harder to bypass than Arteta and co.

[Letters]

We got 83 points in 07/08. Its not about the points in 07/08 or last year, because a club charging the highest ticket prices in world football should be challenging for the title till the end (at least once in two seasons).

Arguably, but that's a slightly different argument. One I'm not sure I agree with given the financial doping going on, but with the money we have we should be closer, I agree.
The only sensible measure of progress though is where you are from one season to the next. Are we heading in the right direction? Last season it looked like we were.

[QUOTE=fakeyank;422084]We also got 4th place (could be 3rd place) trophy comfortably the season before last. So we regress and progress in getting 4th place trophy. Where is the progress?[QUOTE=fakeyank;422084]
No we didn't, the season before last we got it by a point on the last day and had Newcastle equalised, we wouldn't have done. Happily the information was incorrect.
Last year we were 7 points clear of 5th place, got more points than any season since 07/08 and won the FA Cup thus getting that monkey off our back and showing that this lot can finish the job.
And at the start of the transfer window the mood on here was quite upbeat, we seemed to be signing some good players for a change. And yet...now it's all going horribly wrong. But that doesn't change the fact that last season showed some promise and the initial transfer business was encouraging.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yet here we are. Getting regularly murdered by we are supposed to be competing for honours with.

[ARightTouch]

Yesterday he is asked why he wont buy a proper defensive midfeilder, he responds " If I find one better than the one Ive got then I'll buy one"


:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

[fakeyank]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

:lol:

[LDG]

I’ve said this before, but you don’t notice the details until we’re hit with a loss. These sort of results don’t just come out of nowhere.

Bloody right they don't.

Luckily, the scoreline was respectable, and very flattering on us last night.

That could easily have been 5 or 6 again. All that shows is that we're still no closer to being able to compete with the better teams than last year.

I'd go so far as to say, we're so open, that getting hit for five is the norm with the better sides.

Fuck it, we're even struggling against teams (with the greatest respect to them) who we should be beating. Leicester being a case in point. Last minute goal aside, we would have drawn v Palace. Everton played us off the park.

We haven't played well for months. even with glimpses of fluidity up top against City, we were still more open than Tescos at the back. The FA Cup was great, but in all honesty we threw ourselves over the line. We were playing really badly from January onwards, and only scraped fourth again, having been clear at the top.

No cohesion. No tactics. No balance. No defence.

Lessons never learned.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

there are times when we are tactically astute against the bigger teams, but it's more few and far between.

Both home games against Liverpool last season, the away game at Dortmund last season, arguably the tie against Bayern Munich we actually played well and executed a decent game plan but we managed to get ourselves down to ten men.....
I think it evidences for me that Wenger is more of a lazy manager than a tactically clueless one, he transposes the side he puts out against city and thinks it's good enough to play away in Dortmund....

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

There's a group of knobheads on here that don't show their face much when we lose but always come on here and brag like a bunch of wankers when their beloved Arsene gets a win.

You know who you are.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's a group of knobheads on here that don't show their face much when we lose but always come on here and brag like a bunch of wankers when their beloved Arsene gets a win.

You know who you are.



And Vice-Versa

[ARightTouch]

There's a group of knobheads on here that don't show their face much when we lose but always come on here and brag like a bunch of wankers when their beloved Arsene gets a win.

You know who you are.

Lol normally in these threads there a few posts defending Arsene. None this time!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Large part of me feels Arsene Wenger should have gone after he won the FA cup, the club was in a pretty good place both in terms of squad and financially.....but the clear fact remains that the club had nothing by way of ideas of who to replace him with, there is no point getting rid of Wenger unless you have any guarantee of someone better coming in.
Would Klopp have been better?....probably but frankly at the moment why would he come to us?....when he had the likes of Barcelona in for him.
It was definitely a mistake giving him a three year contract because that says, ok Arsene we are completley happy with everything you have done at the club, a rolling contract would have been a better idea. But the appointment of Shad Forsythe and Andries Jonker by Gazidis shows that the ground is being laid for a coaching set up post Wenger, where no man no longer wields control in the way Wenger seems to feel he has to.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Lol normally in these threads there a few posts defending Arsene. None this time!

The real gooners don't stand for this shit. Only the warped, thick ones do.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Why would Klopp come to Arsenal?

One look at Wenger's salary and the size of our transfer budget ought to provide a couple of answers.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But when he's arguably the most sought after Manager in Europe, he could command an even bigger transfer kitty and salary at a much more prestigious club

[Power n Glory]

Why would Klopp come to Arsenal?

One look at Wenger's salary and the size of our transfer budget ought to provide a couple of answers.

Exactly. I have no idea why people talk as if the new manager is taking over West Ham.

We pay well, generate our own income, have a good youth system, great facilities, a promising first team, a brilliant stadium and owners that aren't trigger happy ego maniacs that won't interfere with your work.

What more could you want from a club?

[Power n Glory]

But when he's arguably the most sought after Manager in Europe, he could command an even bigger transfer kitty and salary at a much more prestigious club

Timing. All of the top clubs have recently changed managers. They can't all fire their current managers to make way for Klopp and if that were to happen, it just means there is another top manager out there without a club.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Over the last few years I've made the point that a quick team isn't simply the by product of quick players. I never thought signing Welbeck and Sanchez would be a quick fix....and so it proves. We need to set up like a team who wants to play to quickly if we are to play like that.

I also remember suggesting shortly after we signed Ozil that Cesc is a better player than Ozil. It was almost like I was claiming Welbeck is Ian Wright to quite a few people. I thought that then and I think that now... (the bit about Cesc-Ozil, not Welbeck-Wright) but Ozil is more mobile and there is still a lot that can come from him.

We should also not be blind to the fact that we ourselves have helped break the taboo of players leaving the club and/or joining rivals by the regularity with which we have allowed it to happen. We overplayed the 'we were forced to' card one too many times and now we are increasingly pointing fingers at the old goat at the helm. All while we curse the very ground any player walks on as they get out the fire exit, off the ship and into a lifeboat whilst we watch the band in our front row seats as the ship sinks.

The captain goes down with the ship and the manager has signed a new deal so don't expect a change. Fasten your seats and enjoy the band.

[Fist of Lehmann]

This performance wasn't just shit, it transcended shit, it was a rancid shit served on a bed of turds marinaded in diarrhoea.

Dortmund weren't weakened by injury, it barely mattered, they have a strategy, a tactical plan, an ethos.
It should not have come as any surprise. You always know what you get from a Klopp team - high pressing in large numbers, prodigious workrate, smart closing off of passing lanes and fast counters.

What do we have by comparison? The vague idea that 4-1-4-1 let's us shoehorn Ozil, Ramsey and Wilshire into the same side? Arteta can't hold that position on his own, not against good opposition, Flamini couldn't either. This team still has no identity.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Hummels looked like he was watching live at the Apollo or at the comedy store.

[Munchies]

Got sent a Vieira highlight from youtube today.. watched it all...

:(

:ilt:

[Letters]

This performance wasn't just shit, it transcended shit, it was a rancid shit served on a bed of turds marinaded in diarrhoea.
Wow :lol:


Hard to argue though. There were literally no positives to come out of it.

[up the arse]

Wow :lol:


Hard to argue though. There were literally no positives to come out of it.


It didn't rain!

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0b2k6wNBZYU

Bergy > Ozil/ Cunt Fabregas

[AFC Leveller]

I just cannot stand this team anymore and the only thing worse than getting wooped by the big teams is the player's reaction afterwards. I remember reading Arteta's reactions last season after the big defeats to the big 5 and he sounds exactly the same each fucking time. "we let ourselves down and cannot do this again" or " we didnt start well and didnt deserve anything" FFS this is the captain saying the exact same shit after each loss and it shows that there is anothing being learnt or done behind the scenes.

Fuck the lot of em.

[Injury Time]

I just cannot stand this team anymore and the only thing worse than getting wooped by the big teams is the player's reaction afterwards. I remember reading Arteta's reactions last season after the big defeats to the big 5 and he sounds exactly the same each fucking time. "we let ourselves down and cannot do this again" or " we didnt start well and didnt deserve anything" FFS this is the captain saying the exact same shit after each loss and it shows that there is anothing being learnt or done behind the scenes.

Fuck the lot of em.

Arteta is our captain says it all :ilt:

[Letters]

Arteta is our captain says it all :ilt:
:lol: Is he? I honestly didn't know who it was.

[Injury Time]

:lol: Is he? I honestly didn't know who it was.

BFG was at the weekend...I think, not that I saw any direction.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Arteta is officially the Capo

[Syn]

From the 6 group games, we want 3 home wins and 2 away draws. We'll beat Dortmund at home. Not sure we'll top the group though, we'll get enough for 11 points but if Dortmund are more clinical fair play to them. They played very, very well on Tuesday. Klopp deserves a lot of respect.

[Power n Glory]

As said before, it's a complete waste of time and energy playing in this CL competition if we have no chance of winning. We giving our bench players a run out and keeping the main players fit. Guys like Pod, Ox, Campbell, Rosicky...it should be used to give these guys games and a chance to show the manager they should be starting more games.

[Dein-machine]

Arteta is officially the Capo

Taking over from Vermaelen, who also wasn't good enough to make the 1st team - it really is beyond a joke.

[AFC Leveller]

Taking over from Vermaelen, who also wasn't good enough to make the 1st team - it really is beyond a joke.

Arteta got the armband because he was popular in the dressing room! Its a joke because his footballing ability should also be considered, he is a bench player at best. He doesnt lead his team, he doesnt dominate the middle, he doesnt tackle or put himself about and is easily hurried off the ball.

But yeah, he is popular.

[Syn]

What gives you the idea that he's particularly 'popular' with his teammates? He was given the role mainly because of his seniority, partly because he's been a consistent performer for a few years and partly because of the lack of obvious choices. But it's irrelevant as we know - Wenger kept Vermaelen out the team and so if he feels Arteta is no longer the best option within the squad for that DM role then he won't be starting.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Arteta got the armband because he was popular in the dressing room! Its a joke because his footballing ability should also be considered, he is a bench player at best. He doesnt lead his team, he doesnt dominate the middle, he doesnt tackle or put himself about and is easily hurried off the ball.

But yeah, he is popular.

Spot on.

[AFC Leveller]

What gives you the idea that he's particularly 'popular' with his teammates? He was given the role mainly because of his seniority, partly because he's been a consistent performer for a few years and partly because of the lack of obvious choices. But it's irrelevant as we know - Wenger kept Vermaelen out the team and so if he feels Arteta is no longer the best option within the squad for that DM role then he won't be starting.

Arsene himself said "Mikel is very popular with this team mates and they all respect him". Vermaelen was kept out of the side by a very consistant prtnership that lose something like 1 game in 40 games together (90 minutes) not to mention that he was struggling with injuries (he is out injured from the WC) so i wouldnt say the manager was ruthless or anything like that, Kos-Mert made his mind up for him.'

Arteta is the best DCM we have and thats why he starts but thats mainly because the only other option is a washed up Flamini.

[Syn]

Arteta is the best DCM we have and thats why he starts but thats mainly because the only other option is a washed up Flamini.

True.

[BOBN]

End of the day our captain wears eyeliner.

Lets not overthink things here chaps, of course we're going to get trampled all over.

[Penguin]

:lol:

[Marc Overmars]

End of the day our captain wears eyeliner.

Lets not overthink things here chaps, of course we're going to get trampled all over.

Shaped eyebrows and perfect hair too.

[Injury Time]

Shaped eyebrows and perfect hair too.

...and as for those laces...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I can't actually remember the last time Wenger actually bought a defensive midfielder rather than shoehorned someone into that position, it has to be Gilberto.

Flamini was a central midfielder when he first joined us in 2004.

[Globalgunner]

I can't actually remember the last time Wenger actually bought a defensive midfielder rather than shoehorned someone into that position, it has to be Gilberto.

Flamini was a central midfielder when he first joined us in 2004.

Arteta was also a footballer when he joined us, now he is a cowardly, immobile, lethargic bumpstop. At this point I`d rather see what Coquelin can do than have either Arteta or Flamini in the team.