Arsenal AGM

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

@bradders1066 3m3 minutes ago
"It's not up to me as chairman to decide on football, it's up to Arsene Wenger". So Arsene Wenger cost us a league title last season.

‏@JamesOlley 2m2 minutes ago
The deference #afc's board pays to Wenger is palpable. Keswick: "If he has a plan, we back him. If he doesn’t have a plan, we keep quiet."

‏@BlackScarfAFC 3m3 minutes ago
Sir Chips keeps up the annual 'Chairman's fuck up' at the AGM. Basically admitted as a Board they don't manage the manager. AW runs AFC.

@Walid1 4m4 minutes ago
Things clear from AGM:
1 - Wenger is solely in charge of all football and transfer decisions.
2- the club have made cash available to AW


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‏@BobbyAFC79 23m23 minutes ago
Basically we have a manager who can run amok, do what he likes, makes untold fuck ups and doesn't get questioned. Oh, then pockets £8m.


Are we still going to pretend like all of this wasn't and isn't Wenger's fault?

[Globalgunner]

@bradders1066 3m3 minutes ago
"It's not up to me as chairman to decide on football, it's up to Arsene Wenger". So Arsene Wenger cost us a league title last season.

‏@JamesOlley 2m2 minutes ago
The deference #afc's board pays to Wenger is palpable. Keswick: "If he has a plan, we back him. If he doesn’t have a plan, we keep quiet."

‏@BlackScarfAFC 3m3 minutes ago
Sir Chips keeps up the annual 'Chairman's fuck up' at the AGM. Basically admitted as a Board they don't manage the manager. AW runs AFC.

@Walid1 4m4 minutes ago
Things clear from AGM:
1 - Wenger is solely in charge of all football and transfer decisions.
2- the club have made cash available to AW


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0EUDB_IYAA_IR0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0EUDCBIAAAIODB.jpg


‏@BobbyAFC79 23m23 minutes ago
Basically we have a manager who can run amok, do what he likes, makes untold fuck ups and doesn't get questioned. Oh, then pockets £8m.


Are we still going to pretend like all of this wasn't and isn't Wenger's fault?

Shhhhh! Letters might hear you

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Any news on Kroenke's three million that he pocketed? AST were meant to pepper him with questions about that.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Shhhhh! Letters might hear you

:lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

If this AGM tells us anything, it is this:
Wenger is the most evil man in the history of the universe and beyond into infinite parallel universes fron even before the concept of time

[Marc Overmars]

Wenget. :lol:

Go away.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Basically confirms what a handful of us were saying all along on this forum but were laughed at for many years.

Huge triumph.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger only has the co trol at his disposal because rhe Board and the owners grant him it. Had he not been meeting their objectives, he'd be out.

He does what the want so he stays.

It is why there is no point debating whether or not he should go other than to let off steam

[selassie]

Wenger only has the co trol at his disposal because rhe Board and the owners grant him it. Had he not been meeting their objectives, he'd be out.


That in itself is a real worry and to be honest I have had the impression for quite a while that Wenger isn't accountable to anyone, he is his own boss.

I understand the principle behind giving Wenger a "free reign" though I don't agree with it. What concerns me more is the plan to replace him? Because if we give our current Manager so much freedom I would assume the same can be said of Wenger's replacement? If not...then what is the plan?

Basically I see parallels between us and Man United post Fergie and I think the easiest way to smoothen the transistion would be at the very least to hire a football man on the board, a David Dein type.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm over the issue of Wenger/board, objectives, control etc.

I just want to know why he short changed the defence, one of the most stupid squad decisions he's ever made and boy there have been plenty of those to speak about. That's one question we all deserve an answer to because it was a problem even the most simple minded fan could have identified. I have absolutely no sympathy for him despite the seemingly unlucky spate of injuries, you play with fire, you get burnt.

Due to his negligence, a promising but unpolished 19 year old now is now required to play every single game and cover 2 positions because we have no other option, and he's already got himself suspended.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That in itself is a real worry and to be honest I have had the impression for quite a while that Wenger isn't accountable to anyone, he is his own boss.

I understand the principle behind giving Wenger a "free reign" though I don't agree with it. What concerns me more is the plan to replace him? Because if we give our current Manager so much freedom I would assume the same can be said of Wenger's replacement? If not...then what is the plan?

Basically I see parallels between us and Man United post Fergie and I think the easiest way to smoothen the transistion would be at the very least to hire a football man on the board, a David Dein type.

The next guy won't get the same amount of freedom. Wenger is the last of a dying breed.

They'll go for a younger, more dynamic manager, one that submits to the board.

[fakeyank]

Board and Wenger are both at fault.

Wenger is at fault for accepting mediocrity as a triumph and being a stubborn man with very very average tactical nous. The board is at fault for accepting that crap and not firing the man. Who is the bigger evil? IMO, it is the board... IF I were in Wengers shoes and was pocketing 15 million dollars a year for getting 4th, I'd never quit!

[Power n Glory]

I'm over the issue of Wenger/board, objectives, control etc.

I just want to know why he short changed the defence, one of the most stupid squad decisions he's ever made and boy there have been plenty of those to speak about. That's one question we all deserve an answer to because it was a problem even the most simple minded fan could have identified. I have absolutely no sympathy for him despite the seemingly unlucky spate of injuries, you play with fire, you get burnt.

Due to his negligence, a promising but unpolished 19 year old now is now required to play every single game and cover 2 positions because we have no other option, and he's already got himself suspended.

I hear we're going to start Monreal as CB on Saturday. Happy Days!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I hear we're going to start Monreal as CB on Saturday. Happy Days!

Lets be fair it's not even news you need to hear its just logical deduction

Given that Chambers is suspended and Koscielny has a foot injury, we have no one else

Well unless you want to partner this Stefan O'Connor kid next to Mertesacker who can sell him down the river by being lazy and caught too far forward like he did with Chambers against Everton.

[Dein-machine]

Back to the thread - another total waste of time AGM. So much time spent talking about unimportant issues whilst the board & Wenger not wanting to answer the important stuff. Someone questioning why we don't lay on transport for European games, if Wenger keeps leaving us short staffed both in squad & quality because of his reluctance to spend, then we won't need to go to Europe. Someone taking out his salary should be able to answer any fan ( who's money helps pay that salary ) when quizzed about his transfer decisions. His statement is made of the same old stuff telling us how hard he works to make us all happy. The board need someone with a pair of bollocks to give Wenger ultimatums about our expectancy, if that means spending on quality then do it - otherwise fuck off.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Not having to go to Europe?

And people say the club isn't helping fans save money.

[Letters]

Board and Wenger are both at fault.

Wenger is at fault for accepting mediocrity as a triumph and being a stubborn man with very very average tactical nous. The board is at fault for accepting that crap and not firing the man. Who is the bigger evil? IMO, it is the board... IF I were in Wengers shoes and was pocketing 15 million dollars a year for getting 4th, I'd never quit!
Apart from the slight exaggeration about Wenger I basically agree.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

[quote]Key thing we learned yesterday is that Arsene Wenger’s transfer market incompetence is now beinf clouded with the…

‘The cash being put forward in the media isn’t accurate, but we won’t tell you how much it is. But we told The Telegraph what we want you to think it is. And we want you to think it’s low so you’re unsure whether it’s acceptable to critique what we do.’

Nice. All those promises of #atching Bayern. All the talk of"self sustaining utopia post deal expiration. Nonsense. We’re still skint. Apparently.

I have so little belief in this line of fire. The concern for me as a fan is that when everyone was disappointed Arsene signed on, the club were keen to push that"he had £100m to play with, because Jeremy Wilson put it in his paper. Now they’re back bitching

[Özim]

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[Penguin]

Arsenal$chairman defendc £3m Kroenke payment

Keswick was speaking at the club's Annual General Meeting at the Emirates Stadium which offered shareholders the opportunity to submit written queqtions to the board.

The issue over the payment to the American tycoon, who completed his takeover of the Gunners in April 2011, was`the first question on the agenda and came following concerns from fans about esaalating ticket costs. But Keswick says the board had no issues over the decision and it was one that they might implement again in the future, depending on the nature of the services provided. He said: "This fee was proposed by myself and Lord Harris (of Peckham) for the wide range of services provided to Arsenal Football Club by Kroenke Sports and Entertainment. "KSE is one of the most respected and successful sports organisations in the United States, operating in the most sophisticated sports business market in the world.

"They have an extensive a.d long experience in molern sports management. It is of the utmost importance that as a club we use it to our best advantage to ensure we keep progressing. "There was no competitive tender for these services as they are directly available to us, and a tender process was inappropriate, and therefore unnecessary. We are entirely satisfied the fee was appropriate. In terms of any future fees, that would depand on the nature of the services provided."

Keswick also claimed that the appointment of Kroenke's son Josh as a non-executive director in December 2013 "underlines the long-term commitment to the club from Stan Kroenke and KSE". Kroenke gave a brief speech to the AGM saying he preferred to focus on the positives that the club have achieved over the season. "We are quite proud of what we have been able to accomplish. What a wonderful day at Wembley, to win the FA Cup was fantastia," he said. "We had numgrous opportunities to get involved in other clubs in Europe, we certainly wanted to get involved in Ars%nal. It is a wonderful place. "We were long acquainted with Ars

[Injury Time]

[QUOTE=Penguin;426740]Arsenal chairman defends £3m Kroenke paqment

Keswick was speaking at the club's An

[Xhaka Can’t]

Following the AGM as an information gathering exercise is pointless. It is staged and scripted from start to finish.

[Injury Time]

Following the AGM as an information gathering exercise is pointless. It is staged and scripted from start to finish.
The only time they have a strategy tbh tbf

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

:lol:

[Grebbo]

Le Grove


The really interesting point was when a fan came to the mike and slagged off the situation in which we sold Vermaelen and didn’t buy in a defender.

Well we bought Chambers :doh:

If people are going to stand up and speak at these AGM's at least say something useful FFS.

Why the fuck didn't we re-sign Cesc when he's better than any of our midfielders would've been a better question. If it meant we'd have to sell Ozil then so be it.

[Power n Glory]

Le Grove



Well we bought Chambers :doh:

If people are going to stand up and speak at these AGM's at least say something useful FFS.

Why the fuck didn't we re-sign Cesc when he's better than any of our midfielders would've been a better question. If it meant we'd have to sell Ozil then so be it.

But we also loaned out Jenkinson. I was assuming Chambers was the back up RB. That's where he played for Southampton, right? It just so happens he was able to play CB.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He wanted a CB then saw Chambers played brilliantly there in preseason so he went into complete Dr Dolittle mode and thought 'hey I don't need another CB, Chambers can cover there'.

But 2 weeks into the season we've got a load of injuries and suspensions and he's realised 'fuck, this didn't work out', so gave some bullshit answer about how he couldn't find a CB so will get one in the next window.

[Power n Glory]

That sounds about right. The cheapskate in him saw the '2 for the price of 1' sticker and he couldn't help himself. He decided to take a gamble and thought we'd cope since he was already testing Chambers and Monreal as CB's in pre-season.

If he couldn't find the required quality in the Summer, won't it be even more difficult to buy in January?

[adzzzbatch]

That sounds about right. The cheapskate in him saw the '2 for the price of 1' sticker and he couldn't help himself. He decided to take a gamble and thought we'd cope since he was already testing Chambers and Monreal as CB's in pre-season.

If he couldn't find the required quality in the Summer, won't it be even more difficult to buy in January?

Indeed what with players price inflation in the January window it's a sellers market.

[Niall_Quinn]

Keswick also claimed that the appointment of Kroenke's son Josh as a non-executive director in December 2013 "underlines the long-term commitment to the club from Stan Kroenke and KSE"

Orwell couldn't have done better. That's the cuddliest definition of nepotism I have seen in years. It does seem these gents have lurched into life now the business model is bearing fruit. Shame, considering the owners haven't dipped into their pockets once if you exclude the indecent payoff to the outgoing leeches. It's purely business then, and in any normal business that would be okay. But this isn't normal business, it's football hijacked by business. Nothing normal about it at all, even if has become the norm.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Orwell couldn't have done better. That's the cuddliest definition of nepotism I have seen in years. It does seem these gents have lurched into life now the business model is bearing fruit. Shame, considering the owners haven't dipped into their pockets once if you exclude the indecent payoff to the outgoing leeches. It's purely business then, and in any normal business that would be okay. But this isn't normal business, it's football hijacked by business. Nothing normal about it at all, even if has become the norm.

Was the three million tax free?

I wonder how it was invested

If it were me it would be spent on a cocaine deal, those are usually tax free too

[selassie]

That sounds about right. The cheapskate in him saw the '2 for the price of 1' sticker and he couldn't help himself. He decided to take a gamble and thought we'd cope since he was already testing Chambers and Monreal as CB's in pre-season.

If he couldn't find the required quality in the Summer, won't it be even more difficult to buy in January?

Yep totally agree. Wenger's gambling has cost us this season, we surrended challenging for the title before a ball was Kicked IMO.

I think the required quality was there in the Summer, Wenger just isn't prepared to pay for it when it comes to the Defensive side of the team. It's an area which he has neglected and badly mismanaged for a number of years now.

I honestly think he'll bring in a "Kallstrom" type loan signing for Defence in January, god knows what is going to happen this summer.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

There's always going to be a reason somewhere to not sign a player if you're determined to find a reason. We dismissed a whole lot of names over the summer and with a lot of justification but the truth is......any number of options would have seen a situation preferable to the one we find ourselves in now.

We're talking experienced premier league quality free transfers right through to premium Mangalas..... He's making it increasingly difficult to defend him.