Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[GP]

Think it was something that started off for charity but has of course since been hijacked by social media.

#NoMakeupSelfie

[PGFC]

It was started in social media then spread to the deaf community back in July, then hijacked...


The "cold water challenge", "water-tipping" - call it what you will, there's a new craze in the deaf community. The trend for dropping a bucket of water over your own head was started by non-deaf people but it has recently been appropriated by a close-knit network of deaf people in the UK.

BBC Trending reports on how tipping water on yourself - and posting a picture or video of it - has spread like wildfire between deaf friends on social networks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28317007

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Think this current trend is a new variation of that one called the "Ice Bucket Challenge" where you nominate "friends" to either drop a bucket of Ice water on their heads or donate an amount to charity. In the event of the person nominated fulfilling the challenge, the person who nominated him or her has to donate to charity instead.

Reading his twitter/instragram, Ozil was nominated by both Jerome Boateng & Steve Aoki and he himself has gone on to nominate Mandy Capristo (his girlfriend), Rihanna and Derrick Rose (US Basketball player).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Bucket_Challenge


Normally I would make some cynical comment about B lists celebs on twitter using it for free publicity and to feed their egos but at the end of the day if it's raising money for good causes then it's difficult to disparage it. Read that the original charity that started this trend (ALS association) has seen their donations multiply tenfold over the past month.

[GP]

Think this current trend is a new variation of that one called the "Ice Bucket Challenge" where you nominate "friends" to either drop a bucket of Ice water on their heads or donate an amount to charity. In the event of the person nominated fulfilling the challenge, the person who nominated him or her has to donate to charity instead.

Reading his twitter/instragram, Ozil was nominated by both Jerome Boateng & Steve Aoki and he himself has gone on to nominate Mandy Capristo (his girlfriend), Rihanna and Derrick Rose (US Basketball player).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Bucket_Challenge


Normally I would make some cynical comment about B lists celebs on twitter using it for free publicity and to feed their egos but at the end of the day if it's raising money for good causes then it's difficult to disparage it. Read that the original charity that started this trend (ALS association) has seen their donations multiply tenfold over the past month.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLZOjLv0_6k&feature=youtu.be

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVAT5FjbM_w&list=UUGpf7WX7R1one-NwOvg_PbQ

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVAT5FjbM_w&list=UUGpf7WX7R1one-NwOvg_PbQ

:bow:

[Munchies]

Pires with Debuchy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv6C9pmIEAAezQN.jpg

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Sad news today. Manuel Almunia has been forced to retire after a heart problem was found during his medical with Cagliari.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2735686/Manuel-Almunia-retires-Cagliari-discover-former-Arsenal-man-heart-problem.html

Always sad to see a footballer forced to retire early because of an injury/illness. He's 37 years old but would have had at least a couple of years left as goalkeeper.

Wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.

[LDG]

Sad news today. Manuel Almunia has been forced to retire after a heart problem was found during his medical with Cagliari.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2735686/Manuel-Almunia-retires-Cagliari-discover-former-Arsenal-man-heart-problem.html

Always sad to see a footballer forced to retire early because of an injury/illness. He's 37 years old but would have had at least a couple of years left as goalkeeper.

Wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.

Sad news. Sad for him.

He was fucking shit though.

Probably ended up giving himself a heart attack tbf. God knows he gave us enough.

[Syn]

Sad news. Sad for him.

He was fucking shit though.

Probably ended up giving himself a heart attack tbf. God knows he gave us enough.

:haha:

We've got Saints at home in the league cup 3rd round btw. :doh:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140827/arsenal-draw-southampton-in-league-cup

[Dein-machine]

Sad news. Sad for him.

He was fucking shit though.

Probably ended up giving himself a heart attack tbf. God knows he gave us enough.

:lol: - Have a heart

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Sad news. Sad for him.

He was fucking shit though.

Probably ended up giving himself a heart attack tbf. God knows he gave us enough.

:haha:

Absolutely spot on.

Wish him all the best, nonetheless.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wasn't a great keeper but he was loyal to the club so he's a Gooner. If he's smart he has enough cash tucked away to deal with this. Good luck to him.

[fakeyank]

Sad to hear about Almunia. Have a long and great life ahead! :wave:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Sad to hear about Almunia. Have a long and great life ahead! :wave:
:gp:

Wish him all the best. When Jens needed competition, he stepped in. Nowhere near being amongst our elites but he is a gooner.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sad news. Sad for him.

He was fucking shit though.

Probably ended up giving himself a heart attack tbf. God knows he gave us enough.

:haha:

Seeing that ghost must have shat him up a bit too.

All the best though Almunia.

[Letters]

I always thought Almunia was OK. The season we nearly won the league he was in goal and when we did fall apart it wasn't because of him.
Point being he wasn't far from being the 'keeper in a title winning side.
Season after that he did get a bit crap though and never recovered.
In brief, best wishes to him.

[Syn]

A big Mesut Ozil interview in the Telegraph:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwPL94ZIgAAL4bF.jpg

He doesn't normally say a lot so it's worth a read.


“It’s so strange. The negative criticism came out of nowhere: it went from zero to 100. I went from being the darling of German football, the jewel in the crown, to being hammered in the media.


“I’m one of the best players in the world in that No 10 position,’’ said Özil. “Fans, coaches, players and everyone knows that my best position is playmaker.


I know what I can do and in the past few years I’ve shown that I belong to the select group of best players in the world as a No 10. What’s important is that the manager gives me his trust and in Joachim Löw and Arsène Wenger I have two managers who do exactly that. Both coaches know that my favourite position is the No  10. I’ve played on the left in a World Cup and for Arsenal but my best performances come as a 10.”


He noted the talents around him such as Jack Wilshere, Theo Walcott and Aaron Ramsey. “What Jack definitely has is big potential. If he stays fit, Jack has a big future because he has a lot of quality. Theo is a big player at this club. Theo is a player you can send clear because he is so quick and has a very good final product. Ramsey is really important for Arsenal, really impressive, great on the ball. We can achieve something big this season.”

Lots more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11065145/Mesut-Ozil-The-Arsenal-fans-believe-in-me.-That-is-what-really-matters.html


Arsene, hint: Better lose the '4-1-4-1 Ozil wide-left' formation.

[fakeyank]

Arshavin's best position was the no.10 position. We know what happened to him..

Ozil aka Arshavin mk II is going the same way.

[alexander]

Arshavin's best position was the no.10 position. We know what happened to him..

Ozil aka Arshavin mk II is going the same way.

Agree 100%. Wenger always seems to want to get players to play in every position. Play them in their best position, and stick to it.

[Letters]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/wrdrichard/Diaby_zpsbd651ffb.jpg

:haha:

[Syn]

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Can anyone verify if this is true? I'm not going to automatically believe something from twitter, no matter how likely it is.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwrDshhIgAA2s0X.png

What an article :haha:

DM :bow:

[Master Splinter]

- Arsenal defender Nacho Monreal is a fan of the 2004 romantic drama
- Monreal has featured in all five of Arsenal's competitive games this season
- The Spaniard was left out of Vicente del Bosque's recent squad
- Ozil booed by angry wasp after lacklustre display
- Sanchez spotted clubbing in picture from 2005
- Welbeck is shit now he plays for Arsenal

[Penguin]

Dailymail :haha:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwrDshhIgAA2s0X.png

What an article :haha:

DM :bow:

They do that all time for us. Just a few days ago they somehow conspired to make a story simply around Jack and Welbeck taking a selfie. :lol:

It's just pure clickbait from the Mail because we're one of the largest groups of fans around and because of our demographics (London/South-East and more Tory and right wing) more likely to be reading the Mail.

Wouldn't surprise me either if Arsenal fans were the biggest fan group to read the Mail sport section either.

[Globalgunner]

Wenger dropped as TV Pundit
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/04/arsene-wenger-arsenal-manager-french-televsion-commentator
The jig is up!

[The Emirates Gallactico]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2QzUvLNDI


Bif :haha::haha:

:drool::drool:

[Penguin]

Oh dear, it looks like the Zigic rumours weren't just bullshit manufactured by his agent:



Striker Nikola Zigic has confirmed Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger made an enquiry regarding his availability in the transfer window.

Wenger explored several options throughout the window, with Olivier Giroud's injury adding a sense of urgency to the French boss' search. Having extensively scoured the market, Arsenal eventually managed to bring in Danny Welbeck from Manchester United just before the transfer deadline.

Former Birmingham City striker Zigic, who is currently a free agent, says he was flattered by Arsenal’s interest and would have loved to make the move.

"Everything that you saw in the press was true," IBTimes UK. "My agent was talking with Arsenal but they finally opted for another player. We talked with them until the last few days of the market. I am very happy because Arsenal had me on their list. I would have liked it. Big teams always consider several alternatives before signing one."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/9457012/transfer-news-nikola-zigic-confirms-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger-made-enquiry

WUMger :doh:

Welbeck saved us from Zigic :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh dear, it looks like the Zigic rumours weren't just bullshit manufactured by his agent:


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/9457012/transfer-news-nikola-zigic-confirms-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger-made-enquiry

WUMger :doh:

Welbeck saved us from Zigic :bow:

And from Sanogo!

Welbeck, without kicking a ball, legend.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

From a 6ft7, slow, lethargic striker to a pacey, agile striker :lol:

What sort of planning goes into these transfers.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/v4/7e/07/f8/7e07f819-1946-01bc-e84d-48656c7e50f4/screen568x568.jpeg

[I am invisible]

Have we still not had any words from Wenger about the Welbeck signing? I know he's at this manager's conference etc, but I can't believe he hasn't found 5 minutes to stick some words in an email...

[Syn]

I believe as well you know that Welbeck is a versatile quality player that will fit into our philosophy. He can play as a striker and across the front line. He has as well great experience in this league and if Giroud is as well not injured than as well I do not as well you know necessarily buy because as well buying is not always you know the right solution in England as you know know, but as well you have to respect as well you know the circumstances.

[LDG]

Sin is pissed

[Syn]

Fuck me that's an awful Wenfer impression. See MS poasts for illusionary quality .

[Syn]

Sin is pissed

San Miquel :haha:

Awful only option on tap.

[LDG]

San Miquel :haha:

Awful only option on tap.

Ouch.

Not good for session drinking.

I could murder a pint tbf.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Have we still not had any words from Wenger about the Welbeck signing? I know he's at this manager's conference etc, but I can't believe he hasn't found 5 minutes to stick some words in an email...

What's the point? If he speaks you only bash him. When he's silent you bash him too.

[I am invisible]

What's the point? If he speaks you only bash him. When he's silent you bash him too.

Wow, when did I get a reputation for being a Wenger-hater?! :lol:

[Kano]

Have we still not had any words from Wenger about the Welbeck signing? I know he's at this manager's conference etc, but I can't believe he hasn't found 5 minutes to stick some words in an email...

Maybe it wasn't his signing. Seems like a ridiculous thing to suggest but his disappearance from the country seemed like quite a statement of intent. You'd assume that Welbeck is going to be our main striker for at least half the season, so instrumental to the team. That no statement has been released is very odd for a 16m player, our fourth most expensive signing for the club. All the other big signings got one. Maybe the board took action in an attempt to save their beloved fourth place.

[GP]

Maybe it wasn't his signing. Seems like a ridiculous thing to suggest but his disappearance from the country seemed like quite a statement of intent. You'd assume that Welbeck is going to be our main striker for at least half the season, so instrumental to the team. That no statement has been released is very odd for a 16m player, our fourth most expensive signing for the club. All the other big signings got one. Maybe the board took action in an attempt to save their beloved fourth place.

Then expect to see him on the bench a lot.

[Syn]

He's exactly Wenger's type of striker, so I don't think there's much possibility he doesn't have the Wenger stamp of approval.

[Power n Glory]

Maybe it wasn't his signing. Seems like a ridiculous thing to suggest but his disappearance from the country seemed like quite a statement of intent. You'd assume that Welbeck is going to be our main striker for at least half the season, so instrumental to the team. That no statement has been released is very odd for a 16m player, our fourth most expensive signing for the club. All the other big signings got one. Maybe the board took action in an attempt to save their beloved fourth place.

Maybe the board took action when Arsene called to say Zigic was available. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger was away for the last transfer window too wasn't he? Or the one before that. Not worth reading anything into it. One minute people are saying Wenger has too much control and runs everything. Then they say players are being bought without his approval. Can't have both. It's far more likely Wenger was hunting around for cheap cover for Giroud and then a player he wanted but up until that point unavailable suddenly became available. If that's the case it's good to know the club can act quickly and grab an opportunity. According to the media (so could be entirely fictitious) Wenger has always admired Welbeck.

After time to reflect here's what I think about the window.

Utd have been panic buying and the Falcao deal could turn out to be a massive failure medium term. Monaco wanted rid of him and they want to recoup as much of the stupid £50mill they blew signing him. Just as people are saying Welbeck wasn't wanted by Utd (not true by all accounts), Falcao (as good a player as he is) wasn't wanted by Monaco - probably because he didn't want to be there. He wants to be at Madrid, I think that much is self evident if you consider what the player and the agent have been saying (and tweeting) over the last few weeks. Again from media source (so 2kg of salt) Utd had to pay a whacking great premium of the wages to compensate for the lack of CL footie. So I believe Falcao will turn into a £20mill+ signing for one season only, because Utd will have to commit to anything up to £100mill on a permanent fee plus wages if they want to keep him. No way unless they are insane. So he's here for a year and if he stays injury free (big if) they'll probably get a good year's return but that's all. Plus we have all the Rooney and RvC fun to come as they battle him for a starting place. There's just as much potential for it to go badly wrong as right.

In summary, I'm glad we didn't sign up to all that.

Di Maria is a much, much better signing that makes a whole lot more sense. They massively overpaid there too. Just as they massively overpaid for Fellaini, Shaw and continue to pay a ludicrous amount for Rooney.

We, on the other hand, if you leave the defensive fuck-ups alone, have done pretty well. Welbeck's entire fee and contract over 5 years will be around £50mill, £10mill a year. Not bad at all in the current market for an International striker who should fit into our team well and is infinitely better than Sanogo and (I would anticipate) better than Giroud. He's a different option we haven't had before, has teh pace to open up all sorts of possibilities for an alternative style of play, and we now have Giroud as a real plan B option. I believe this is what Wenger is thinking too as Giroud has just been sat down to discuss new terms.

For us, Alexis is the real big signing. He's already showing what a great addition he is with his technical ability, team ethic and work rate. Welbeck adds to that and we are free of primadonnas. I think that will pay dividends. Even Ozil, with everyone on his case, is a team player. I think we're in good shape.

We all moan at Wenger's decisions one way or another, but when everything is analysed many of his choices make sense. Currently we're trying to figure out why he's left the defence short but in terms of what he's done on the attacking side this summer it looks to me he's come out the winner. Whether by design or with a sprinkle of luck that's required in any transfer window, I'd rather be us than Utd.

[I am invisible]

I can't imagine Welbeck was signed without Wenger's approval - the moment anyone else starts going above his head on team matters I think he'd be off. I'm just surprised we haven't had a few words from him yet? He's usually pretty keen to talk up his new signings, and what they'll bring to the side...

[GP]

http://gfycat.com/NeatPalatableIndigowingedparrot

Sign him up

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wow, when did I get a reputation for being a Wenger-hater?! :lol:

I've never doubted him tbh

[I am invisible]

http://gfycat.com/NeatPalatableIndigowingedparrot

Sign him up
Time he came home, tbf.

[Master Splinter]

Poland lost 7-0 to Gibraltar.

Chesney :doh:.


edit: 100% dive

[fakeyank]

http://gfycat.com/NeatPalatableIndigowingedparrot

Sign him up

Seen him play twice in the Red Bulls shirt and he sucked both times. I think he traveled a total of 2 Km in both games.

I do think that he will put in more effort when he plays for us though... so sign him up!

[Letters]

Seen him play twice in the Red Bulls shirt and he sucked both times. I think he traveled a total of 2 Km in both games.
Wow. You even make ex Arsenal players play crap when you're there <_<

[Penguin]

Poland lost 7-0 to Gibraltar.

Chesney :doh:.


edit: 100% dive

Poland won 7-0

[fakeyank]

Wow. You even make ex Arsenal players play crap when you're there <_<

:lol:

Not only that, Red bulls lost both games 1-0 too, without scoring a goal. Now, where have we seen this before?

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2TEO0vGTA

[Syn]

Harsh :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

But fair.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Reus out for a month. Set to miss our CL match.

[Maestro]

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4182287.ece/alternates/s1227b/Arsenal-Highbury.jpg

my next father son project, he has no choice ...he's six

[Injury Time]

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4182287.ece/alternates/s1227b/Arsenal-Highbury.jpg

my next father son project, he has no choice ...he's six
Where did you get that from, my mates son would love that for Xmas!

[Maestro]

saw images in the mirror, searched lego website to no avail ..so it looks like it will have to be an ebay job

[Letters]

Where did you get that from, my mates son would love that for Xmas!
...you mean you want it, right?

[Injury Time]

...you mean you want it, right?
Thought you'd never ask ##
Nah mates son is Lego Architectural mad, and a Gooner.

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - can you (not) spot who is anonymous?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/picturegalleries/10259401/Top-20-most-expensive-transfer-fees-of-all-time.html?frame=2650541

[I am invisible]

LOL - can you (not) spot who is anonymous?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/picturegalleries/10259401/Top-20-most-expensive-transfer-fees-of-all-time.html?frame=2650541

He probably stole the transfer fee, along with his living, therefore it doesn't count...

[WMUG]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/342357.html

:shrug:

[Injury Time]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/342357.html

:shrug:
Kerching! They can pay for our next big signing....Kalou will be ours!!!!!

[Niall_Quinn]

Akpom gets two more goals for U21s - Diaby plays 90 mins.

[Munchies]

Akpom gets two more goals for U21s - Diaby plays 90 mins.

Our new CDM :bow:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10702083_810327738998051_4350072694812318457_n.jpg ?oh=276216ef9c2e66c9d6ba4aabd0b6f886&oe=548CBFE9

Anyone know the name of this stunner posing yesterday at the club photoshoot? ####


No, I'm not talking about the Germans either.

[LDG]

She's that German ladies team player innit.

Helger Wetsnatch or summit.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Actually ended up googling that :doh:

[GP]

http://instagram.com/p/s213vYuJ2y/

:haha:

[adzzzbatch]

Arsenal have conceded from the first shot on target faced in all four Premier League games this season.

Gotta cut that shit out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Big hit pieces going out against Ozil today - spearheaded by the Daily Hate as usual.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/mesut_özil/126/126/123/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/david_silva/126/126/308/0/p#total_score/attack_score/defence_score/possession_score/total_forward_passes/successful_passes/pass_completion/key_passes/assists/chances_created/goals_scored/total_shots/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons_%#avg

Silva is simply the best in the world ever - we all know that because the media have confirmed it.

Ozil is a passenger, again confirmed (over and over) by the media. Plus he bribes coppers not to investigate him and is hated and booed by the fans who make him player of the year every year.

The stats prove these things.

Actually, what the stats prove is you can get a whole lot more from a player like Silva when you play him in the correct position and ask him to play to his strengths rather than weaknesses. Silva's defensive scores are gash - the guy doesn't defend at all. And quite right too, he's a major attacking asset and Pellegrini knows how to play him where he'll do most damage and know how to compensate for his lack of defensive clout.

Ozil on the other hand, pushed out to the right, told to cover back for an inept full back. He's being misused and wasted by Wenger, you can see it with your own eyes and the stats support it Give him the same role as Silva and sit back and enjoy.

The passenger thing though - myth. Just because the media says so doesn't make it reality.

[Özim]

you have to admit Ozil has been disappointing though, I watched him any times before we signed him and he was so dangerous and creative. I do think our system just doesn't play to his strengths though, in a counter attacking team he's awesome, in a slow placed tippy-tappy team like us he's wasted, his strenghts are totally nullified and he's looks very ordinary.

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pk7HUwUU8Og

[Niall_Quinn]

you have to admit Ozil has been disappointing though, I watched him any times before we signed him and he was so dangerous and creative. I do think our system just doesn't play to his strengths though, in a counter attacking team he's awesome, in a slow placed tippy-tappy team like us he's wasted, his strenghts are totally nullified and he's looks very ordinary.

Certainly a lot of his talent is wasted in the current system. But now Wenger has been almost forced into playing him centrally in a more direct system he's starting to deliver much more effective performances. Even Wenger will see this surely. Good partnership with Welbeck already and the addition of Alexis and Santi's new desire to run around a bit are big bonuses. If Ox makes the breakthrough this year and Walcott comes back with any sort of form we have the best attacking unit in the league.

[AFC Leveller]

Harry Crooknap on when Vieira almost joined them.

Patrick Vieira was a different type of midfield player and one every club would like to take now. He almost came to me at Tottenham from Inter Milan.
I thought it was an incredible decision by him, after he’d been such a hero at Arsenal.
I met him at his house in Hampstead and he had no fear about what people would think or what reception he would get. He had enough confidence in his ability to just brush it away.

[Penguin]

Vieira always wanted to get back at Wenger for 'forcing' him out of Arsenal. It's strange that he would go as far as considering to join Spurs and tarnishing his status with Gooners fans though.

[fakeyank]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/9510268/champions-league-uefa-confirms-new-seeding-system-in-place-next-season

Dont know if this has been put on GW yet, but this is pretty much guarantees we will not be qualifying for our usual 2nd round KO in the CL! :lol:

[Letters]

No it doesn't

[Niall_Quinn]

Not only did those arabs get let off FFP, now they are calling the shots on the rules. If UEFA was so worried about the champions being "fairly" represented in their "champions" league then why not have a competition with just champions?

M O N E Y

[Bumble]

Not only did those arabs get let off FFP, now they are calling the shots on the rules. If UEFA was so worried about the champions being "fairly" represented in their "champions" league then why not have a competition with just champions?

M O N E Ythe champions league should be champions only, I agree. it would then probably mean money is more evenly distributed around the clubs and also that the players don't only ever play for the CL clubs. And because of the Champions League, the only way for non big clubs like Chelsea and City to participate is for them to be taken over by the mega rich.

Dispense with the CL and see what happens.

[Özim]

CL is about money we all know that and let's not forget it's partly down to the big clubs threatening to form their own league if they don't get enough money (we're one of those clubs).

I agree the CL should be for Champions, but the big clubs won't allow it to happen as it's a cash cow for them, you can't just blame UEFA for this, making the champions top seeds does at least make sense, I don't see why a team coming 3rd or 4th in a league should be seeded higher.

This of course will now mean we'll have more difficult groups which judging by our recent performances we'll struggle to get out of

[mr_brighterside]

5 gooner GHELs played last night (are we still calling them that?)

considering theo's injured that says something about the changes we've had in recent years

[Injury Time]

I missed the headline re Arsenal leading the English game...oh right we're where in the league...media think Rooney eas man of the match...Englanders specialists in failure :haha: :crying:

[AFC Leveller]

Jamie caragher picked his best ever foreign 11 and on vieira he talks about that fa cup final in 2001, saying the whole liverpool team talked about hos good pv was.

The only player we, ve never replaced,

[Munchies]

Jamie caragher picked his best ever foreign 11 and on vieira he talks about that fa cup final in 2001, saying the whole liverpool team talked about hos good pv was.

The only player we, ve never replaced,

If we had a Vieira in this team, we'd win the league

[adzzzbatch]

If we had a Vieira in this team, we'd win the league

Lets not be too nostalgic, he's not, he's with shitty now.

[Globalgunner]

I remember, that thing he would do while shielding the ball. Flick it up in the air where no one could get to it, Used to drive the opposing player nuts. Ah!" Dem were the days"

[BOBN]

Carragher's full team for the Daily Mail:

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Right-back: Pablo Zabaleta
Centre-half: Vincent Kompany
Centre-half: Nemanja Vidic
Left-back: Patrice Evra
Right-midfield: Cristiano Ronaldo
Centre-midfield: Patrick Vieira
Centre-midfield: Yaya Toure
Left-midfield: David Silva
Striker: Thierry Henry
Striker: Didier Drogba

Notice how Bergkamp rarely makes these peer lists, but let our fans tell it hes the best player the club has ever seen :haha:

Good player for us but behind Henry, Vieira, Pires and arguably Campbell and RVP in the Wenger era. Didnt score enough goals as a forward to be taken overly seriously.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I stopped reading at 'Vincent Kompany'.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Carragher's full team for the Daily Mail:

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Right-back: Pablo Zabaleta
Centre-half: Vincent Kompany
Centre-half: Nemanja Vidic
Left-back: Patrice Evra
Right-midfield: Cristiano Ronaldo
Centre-midfield: Patrick Vieira
Centre-midfield: Yaya Toure
Left-midfield: David Silva
Striker: Thierry Henry
Striker: Didier Drogba

Notice how Bergkamp rarely makes these peer lists, but let our fans tell it hes the best player the club has ever seen :haha:

Good player for us but behind Henry, Vieira, Pires and arguably Campbell and RVP in the Wenger era. Didnt score enough goals as a forward to be taken overly seriously.

Zabaleta :haha:

Kompany :haha:

Silva :haha:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Kompany. :haha:

Zabaletta. :haha:

Patricia. :haha:

Silva. :haha:


Also, Bonbon. :haha:

Awlful fan.

[Power n Glory]

Kompany. :haha:

Zabaletta. :haha:

Patricia. :haha:

Silva. :haha:


Also, Bonbon. :haha:

Awlful fan.

:gp:

[BOBN]

Im sorry but I just cant get over the numbers:

Appearances and goals (national league only)

Season Club Games Goals Strike rate
2005-06 Arsenal 24 2 0.08
2004-05 Arsenal 29 8 0.28
2003-04 Arsenal 28 4 0.14
2002-03 Arsenal 29 4 0.14
2001-02 Arsenal 33 9 0.27
2000-01 Arsenal 25 3 0.12
1999-00 Arsenal 28 6 0.21

6 goals in 99-00? 3 (three) in 00-01? What in the world :faint: He was still in his peak years ffs. To put in in perspective, Ozil got 5 league goals last season and nobody gives a damn about him. Frightening tallys considering top midfielders get 15/20+

Tbf Wenger agreed

Dennis Bergkamp has lifted the lid on the bust-ups he used to have with Arsene Wenger over stats during his final years at Arsenal.

The Dutchman, who scored 120 goals for the club in 423 games, admitted he didn’t always see eye-to-eye with the Gunners’ boss, particularly when it came to the Frenchman’s meticulous attention to stats.

Bergkamp, who spent 11 years in north London before retiring in 2006, was used less frequently during his final three seasons under Wenger, and admitted his advancing years didn’t mean he accepted his bit-part role any more gracefully.

In his autobiography, Stillness and Speed, he says: ‘I was too proud to just say: “Well, let me just play 20 games, I’ll be happy with that.” I can’t do that! So that was the clash. I wanted to play every game, of course.


Now: Ajax Assistant Manager Dennis Bergkamp (Picture: Getty Images)
‘And if I didn’t play I was angry with [Wenger] until I played and then it was OK. Sometimes we really fell out with each other.

‘He used statistics on me and one time I said to him: “Where in your statistics does it say that I changed the game with a killer pass?”

‘And he’d say: “You run less in the last 30 minutes and you’re more at risk of getting injured, and your pace is dropping.” That was his thing. “You’re dropping pace.” Which I was.

‘No problem. “But then again I’m the one who can make a difference for you, so…” and sometimes we fell out about that and he [Wenger] would say: “You think only of yourself.” So I was the bad one!’
Wenger showed him is goal numbers like "u srs? :coffee:"

[Power n Glory]

Bergkamp' book is the next I'll buy. The guy was a class act. He was getting less games, having bust ups with Wenger and they totally jerked him around with his contract but he stayed to retire with us. That stunt with the rolling contract was total bullshit.

[Globalgunner]

Anyone who witnessed Dennis at his pomp. The way he could pluck the ball out of the air, control and pass is one sweet movement will have no doubt that he was one of the most talented players to ever play the game. Did Zidane score a lot of goals...No is the answer and Bergkamp was just as talented and scored more goals. He also scored probably the most fantastic goal I have ever seen live (on telly) in a WC, bettered only by Maradona`s mazy run through the entire England team. He also scored some pretty trick goals in the EPL too. A master of the game. BOBN you need to see a shrink. I will pay cos you need help.

If we go by stats alone, then Frank Lampard must be the best attacking mid, the world has ever seen

[Bumble]

Anyone who witnessed Dennis at his pomp. The way he could pluck the ball out of the air, control and pass is one sweet movement will have no doubt that he was one of the most talented players to ever play the game. Did Zidane score a lot of goals...No is the answer and Bergkamp was just as talented and scored more goals. He also scored probably the most fantastic goal I have ever seen live (on telly) in a WC, bettered only by Maradona`s mazy run through the entire England team. He also scored some pretty trick goals in the EPL too. A master of the game. BOBN you need to see a shrink. I will pay cos you need help.

If we go by stats alone, then Frank Lampard must be the best attacking mid, the world has ever seen
Bergkamp was amazing. His goal against Newcastle was unbelievable and never seen a goal like that. (although only because his goal against Argentina was similar to his goal against Leicester).

The problem with the best teams is that Drogba/Henry partnership wouldn't work. Bergkamp/Henry best partnership in the Premier League ever.

[Marc Overmars]

So he didn't score as many as he could have, that's probably because he was too busy on the edge of the box cutting defences apart. Bergkamp was only a striker in name, everyone knew he dropped off the front line and wasn't relied on for goals. The original number 10.

[Power n Glory]

Anyone who witnessed Dennis at his pomp. The way he could pluck the ball out of the air, control and pass is one sweet movement will have no doubt that he was one of the most talented players to ever play the game. Did Zidane score a lot of goals...No is the answer and Bergkamp was just as talented and scored more goals. He also scored probably the most fantastic goal I have ever seen live (on telly) in a WC, bettered only by Maradona`s mazy run through the entire England team. He also scored some pretty trick goals in the EPL too. A master of the game. BOBN you need to see a shrink. I will pay cos you need help.

If we go by stats alone, then Frank Lampard must be the best attacking mid, the world has ever seen

Good point on Lampard. Overall :gp:

That WC goal was amazing. The Newcastle goal, that assist to Ljungberg against Juve....he's the sort of player that's missing in the modern game. I really miss that era. An abundance of supreme talent across the top leagues.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

All this of talk of Bergkamp and Vieira shows how far Wenger has fallen.

[AFC Leveller]

I guess you are bound to feel nostalgic when your former players include Bergy, PV, Henry, Pires, Campbell, Laure, Freddie etc.

reading what players from their generation had to say about facing those Arsenal teams says it all really, they were a tough tough team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Carragher's full team for the Daily Mail:

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Right-back: Pablo Zabaleta
Centre-half: Vincent Kompany
Centre-half: Nemanja Vidic
Left-back: Patrice Evra
Right-midfield: Cristiano Ronaldo
Centre-midfield: Patrick Vieira
Centre-midfield: Yaya Toure
Left-midfield: David Silva
Striker: Thierry Henry
Striker: Didier Drogba

Notice how Bergkamp rarely makes these peer lists, but let our fans tell it hes the best player the club has ever seen :haha:

Good player for us but behind Henry, Vieira, Pires and arguably Campbell and RVP in the Wenger era. Didnt score enough goals as a forward to be taken overly seriously.

Comical. If being as clueless as this is how you get on TV then no wonder nobody with a clue is on TV. These guys are pure hype merchants for the latest and greatest version of TBLitW. Zabaleta - fucking crazy without even getting to the rest.

[sibreen]

So he didn't score as many as he could have, that's probably because he was too busy on the edge of the box cutting defences apart. Bergkamp was only a striker in name, everyone knew he dropped off the front line and wasn't relied on for goals. The original number 10.

That's how Wenger should play Ozil.
Imagine putting Bergkamp on the wing.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

lol Rosicky injured now playing for the Czech Republic. :doh:

Think we're officially in an injury crisis now.

[fakeyank]

That's how Wenger should play Ozil.
Imagine putting Bergkamp on the wing.

Like Bergkamp stated, he would go up to Wenger and tell him that he is wrong. The new kids on the block in the club look at Wenger as if he is Gandhi, and dont say a word!

[fakeyank]

Comical. If being as clueless as this is how you get on TV then no wonder nobody with a clue is on TV. These guys are pure hype merchants for the latest and greatest version of TBLitW. Zabaleta - fucking crazy without even getting to the rest.

Zabaleta, Silva and Kompany had me in splits!! They have got to be kidding me! They have barely played at this level and they are in the list. I know its personal opinion of Carragher.. but its a real shit opinion.

[Injury Time]

lol Rosicky injured now playing for the Czech Republic. :doh:

Think we're officially in an injury crisis now.

Oh FFS I was looking forward to his direct runs and interlinking with Santi :ilt:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Like Bergkamp stated, he would go up to Wenger and tell him that he is wrong. The new kids on the block in the club look at Wenger as if he is Gandhi, and dont say a word!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSmbd00zsqQ

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

More perplexed by your opinion of DB10 BOBN, than the scouser's team! Definitely having a laugh this time.

[AFC Leveller]

Here are some key findings:
Arsenal have the most expensive match-day ticket in the Premier League at £97. That's down £29 on last season but still more than double the most expensive match-day ticket at seven other top-flight clubs
The Gunners also have the most expensive season ticket in the top flight at £2,013, although it includes seven credits for cup competitions. Their cheapest season ticket is £1,014, which is more than 17 Premier League clubs charge for their most expensive one.
Manchester City have the league's cheapest season ticket at £299. That's cheaper than at 15 Championship clubs, 10 clubs in League One, four in League Two and even one in the Conference.
Charlton's £150 season ticket is the cheapest in England's top four divisions. However, Barcelona charge around £103 for their lowest-priced season ticket.
In Scotland's Premiership the average price for the cheapest day out at Premiership matches, including a match-day ticket, pie, cup of tea and a programme, increased by just 61p to £26.95 from last season.
BBC Price of Football
Visit the Price

[Syn]

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[adzzzbatch]

Here are some key findings:
Arsenal have the most expensive match-day ticket in the Premier League at £97. That's down £29 on last season but still more than double the most expensive match-day ticket at seven other top-flight clubs
The Gunners also have the most expensive season ticket in the top flight at £2,013, although it includes seven credits for cup competitions. Their cheapest season ticket is £1,014, which is more than 17 Premier League clubs charge for their most expensive one.
Manchester City have the league's cheapest season ticket at £299. That's cheaper than at 15 Championship clubs, 10 clubs in League One, four in League Two and even one in the Conference.
Charlton's £150 season ticket is the cheapest in England's top four divisions. However, Barcelona charge around £103 for their lowest-priced season ticket.
In Scotland's Premiership the average price for the cheapest day out at Premiership matches, including a match-day ticket, pie, cup of tea and a programme, increased by just 61p to £26.95 from last season.
BBC Price of Football
Visit the Price

Actually the most expensive non club level seat for a game is about £127 (without booking fee) for lower upper tier on the half way line, block 91 for example.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Like Bergkamp stated, he would go up to Wenger and tell him that he is wrong. The new kids on the block in the club look at Wenger as if he is Gandhi, and dont say a word!

Why do you have to bring Cripps' grandad into this?

[Marc Overmars]

Our catergory C and B games are good value (if you sit lower tier) but there is a little bit ridiculous leap for the A games.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't go to Cat A games any more. They are a rip off, even for the cheapest possible tickets. Cat C games are excellent value.

[Marc Overmars]

A rip off made even worse by the ever decreasing likelihood of us actually winning A games.

[Gooner23]

Yeah I've turned down quite a few Cat A tickets over past few seasons. Just cannot justify £100 on one game, especially as those games are always on TV.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I don't go to Cat A games any more. They are a rip off, even for the cheapest possible tickets. Cat C games are excellent value.

Carling Cup. Tenner a ticket :bow:

[adzzzbatch]

Our catergory C and B games are good value (if you sit lower tier) but there is a little bit ridiculous leap for the A games.


I don't go to Cat A games any more. They are a rip off, even for the cheapest possible tickets. Cat C games are excellent value.

I agree, they can be really good value! For example I could get a seat in say block 5 or 6 for for the game against Hull for £26

[Injury Time]

I agree, they can be really good value! For example I could get a seat in say block 5 or 6 for for the game against Hull for £26
Paying you above the minimum wage for the match then, more than they pay the non-football staff apparently...

[Penguin]

A rip off made even worse by the ever decreasing likelihood of us actually winning A games.

They should be paying us for the shit we've been served recently :lol:

[adzzzbatch]

The ladies lost the Continental Cup final 1-0 against shitty last night. Bunch of losers :thumbsdown:

[Xhaka Can’t]

The ladies lost the Continental Cup final 1-0 against shitty last night. Bunch of losers :thumbsdown:

Did Nasri score?

[Injury Time]

The ladies lost the Continental Cup final 1-0 against shitty last night. Bunch of losers :thumbsdown:

So ladies football is getting closer to the mens then :crying:

[Munchies]

Tim Sherwood at the Arsenal U21 game.

Tim Sherwoods a goooooooooooner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0K5CytIIAA_TWR.jpg

[GP]

https://twitter.com/Podolski10/status/524211527638065152

:bow:

[adzzzbatch]

https://twitter.com/Podolski10/status/524211527638065152

:bow:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78411000/jpg/_78411081_bbcsport_gossip_tweet.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78411000/jpg/_78411083_podolski_gossip_tweet_response.jpg

[Injury Time]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78411000/jpg/_78411081_bbcsport_gossip_tweet.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78411000/jpg/_78411083_podolski_gossip_tweet_response.jpg

I'm not on twitter, who's that? :shrug:

[torontogooner]

So, Manu are above us in the standings. We are as shit as the Swans, Spuds and Stoke on 11 points, half of Chelsea's 22 points. We are just 20% through the season FFS.

And, we are just 3 points shy of 17th spot occupied by Sunderland.

Wenger, fuck off from my club which I have supported for 35 years. You disgust me, I cannot watch any more of your anal interviews.

Fuck off you French wanker.

[adzzzbatch]

On our current form we could be looking at getting 52 points and conceding the same number of goals.

[Letters]

So, Manu are above us in the standings. We are as shit as the Swans, Spuds and Stoke on 11 points, half of Chelsea's 22 points. We are just 20% through the season FFS.

Bit in bold is the key point. We've been poor so far this season but it's very early days.
With this squad we surely can't keep being this poor...can we?!

[torontogooner]

Bit in bold is the key point. We've been poor so far this season but it's very early days.
With this squad we surely can't keep being this poor...can we?!

With Wenger at the helm, a resounding yes. I cannot see things improving. Wingers tactics are all wrong, bad substitution choices and a fragile, sparse defense which is all Wengers doing.

Wenger out.

[Letters]

With Wenger at the helm, a resounding yes. I cannot see things improving. Wingers tactics are all wrong, bad substitution choices and a fragile, sparse defense which is all Wengers doing.

Wenger out.
Have you not been watching over the last 10 years? We'll get it together, go on a great run and finish 4th.
Then idiots like me will think "yaay! maybe we'll do something next year"

:getcoat:

[fakeyank]

Bit in bold is the key point. We've been poor so far this season but it's very early days.
With this squad we surely can't keep being this poor...can we?!

Surely we will improve.. when Wenger will realize we are likely to be knocked out of the only competition we play for- 4th place trophy, he will do whats necessary to earn his 8 million quid a year!

[Letters]

Surely we will improve.. when Wenger will realize we are likely to be knocked out of the only competition we play for- 4th place trophy, he will do whats necessary to earn his 8 million quid a year!
To be fair, we did genuinely look like we were on the right track last season, we got the most points for years, we led the table for quite a time, we won an actual trophy, as well as the 4th place one (we've got that Double feeling!). The signing of Ozil last summer and Sanchez this showed a new intent in the transfer market. I really don't know where it's all gone so horribly wrong. There are obvious deficiencies in the squad, particularly in defence, but I don't think anyone could have predicted we'd be quite this crap.

:(

[Power n Glory]

Have you not been watching over the last 10 years? We'll get it together, go on a great run and finish 4th.
Then idiots like me will think "yaay! maybe we'll do something next year"

:getcoat:

This is going to be one of the toughest battles for 4th. Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton will all be pushing for that spot and we've never had this much competition for the spot before.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

This is going to be one of the toughest battles for 4th. Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton will all be pushing for that spot and we've never had this much competition for the spot before.

Quite good optimist you are having us down for 3rd place whilst those pub teams battle for 4th. :lol:

In all seriousness though, it's still a shit league, so I pretty much expect us to do our usual flat track bullying of the league's dross and narrowly secure the VT on last day of season.

It will then be hailed as Wenger's greatest achievement and all will be rosy in Wenger garden again.:scarf:

[Power n Glory]

Quite good optimist you are having us down for 3rd place whilst those pub teams battle for 4th. :lol:

In all seriousness though, it's still a shit league, so I pretty much expect us to do our usual flat track bullying of the league's dross and narrowly secure the VT on last day of season.

It will then be hailed as Wenger's greatest achievement and all will be rosy in Wenger garden again.:scarf:

It's no longer a shit league. We've now got 7 teams pushing for the Top 4 spot. The flat track bully thing might not work and we'll need to take points off our rivals.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

It's no longer a shit league. We've now got 7 teams pushing for the Top 4 spot. The flat track bully thing might not work and we'll need to take points off our rivals.

They are mostly floundering teams well off the pace of the top 2 teams, really. Mixed results and inconsistencies are their hallmark. A quick look at the numbers and you'll see just how poor the pushing seven have been.

Too bad we can we can described in a similar fashion, else we could have easily pulled away from that lot, quite similar to how the top 2 teams will do.

[AFC Leveller]

Anyone else fed up with the fawning over the Arsenal Invincibles 10 years on? Boring.

Adrian Durham's article is complete manure.

[Power n Glory]

They are mostly floundering teams well off the pace of the top 2 teams, really. Mixed results and inconsistencies are their hallmark. A quick look at the numbers and you'll see just how poor the pushing seven have been.

Too bad we can we can described in a similar fashion, else we could have easily pulled away from that lot, quite similar to how the top 2 teams will do.

Exactly. We're in the mix with that lot and our performances have been the same. Also, Liverpool and Man Utd are two teams that we shouldn't underestimate. They have experience of being in the top 4 and pushing out the boat when needed.

[Munchies]

Anyone else fed up with the fawning over the Arsenal Invincibles 10 years on? Boring.

Adrian Durham's article is complete manure.

All he does is create click baits to get hits on his shit articles.

Stupid cunt

[torontogooner]

Have you not been watching over the last 10 years? We'll get it together, go on a great run and finish 4th.
Then idiots like me will think "yaay! maybe we'll do something next year"

:getcoat:

:lol:

Under Wenger it has now been ingrained in everyone's psyche that finishing 4th is a win/win. It's not, it's fucking fourth best, it's disgusting, it's a losers mentality and that's why Wenger has to go sooner rather than later. And why aren't the crowd at Emirates more vociferous in voicing their displeasure against Wenger!

I will not set foot into our stadium again until he is gone.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The reason for that is because up to recently, we've tended to win most of our home games.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Have you not been watching over the last 10 years? We'll get it together, go on a great run and finish 4th.
Then idiots like me will think "yaay! maybe we'll do something next year"

:getcoat:

:haha:

Letters and Ollie completely given up. It's a sad day for GW :rose:

[mr_brighterside]

:lol: we have been a team for the future for the past ten years

[Özim]

:lol: we have been a team for the future for the past ten years

He's not been using the "we're a young team" excuse for a while, maybe he'll bring it back.

[BOBN]

Could imagine us losing out on top 4 to Southampton tbh.

Its a given that their defence is better than ours aided by a balanced central midfield which is more than we can say. In attacking positions, Tadic and Mane provide an unpredictability and threat only rivalled by Sanchez, and Pelle is like a Giroud who knows how to score.

Not to mention United and Liverpool who arent just gonna fack off quietly.

This could be the year.

[Injury Time]

Could imagine us losing out on top 4 to Southampton tbh.

Its a given that their defence is better than ours aided by a balanced central midfield which is more than we can say. In attacking positions, Tadic and Mane provide an unpredictability and threat only rivalled by Sanchez, and Pelle is like a Giroud who knows how to score.

Not to mention United and Liverpool who arent just gonna fack off quietly.

This could be the year.
:trophy: oh :ilt:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Spuds, Southampton or Everton will not be ousting us out of a top 4 finish. I can't be arsed to delve into why for each but a Team like this invariably takes it turns to be the young pretenders each year and most of the time they fall short.

The real early season delusion was that Manure would finish 7th again like last season and out of the top 4. Not going to happen, but they won't win the league either and with how much they've just spent they should be looking to be. That should be enough to snigger at.

Like it or not, Wenger is worth his salary from a business point of view and has been for the duration of his tenure. Were he not, he'd have gone a long time ago. Not winning much and not making business sense doesn't waiting incumbents at bay.....

[torontogooner]

Spuds, Southampton or Everton will not be ousting us out of a top 4 finish. I can't be arsed to delve into why for each but a Team like this invariably takes it turns to be the young pretenders each year and most of the time they fall short.

The real early season delusion was that Manure would finish 7th again like last season and out of the top 4. Not going to happen, but they won't win the league either and with how much they've just spent they should be looking to be. That should be enough to snigger at.

Like it or not, Wenger is worth his salary from a business point of view and has been for the duration of his tenure. Were he not, he'd have gone a long time ago. Not winning much and not making business sense doesn't waiting incumbents at bay.....

I disagree. If a company keeps on making a profit year after year and returns nothing to its stakeholders in the way of dividends the profits mean nothing. We the fans are the stakeholders and year after year we have nothing to show for our support but rising ticket prices and merchandise costs. Does not make much business sense to me when we don't buy the right players, don't manage and motivate the team tactically, or strengthen our team when we need to (the defense). We are not real contenders instead, we are perpetual of pretenders.

No Blink, he is not worth the 8 million.

[Xhaka Can’t]

To the guys who took half a billion out of the Club, the owners who have watched the value of their shareholding rocket, and the Executive team that pretty much have to do fuck all while coining it as the Club hordes mountains of cash, he clearly is worth £8m. He may even be underpaid.

They are the only stakeholders that count

[Niall_Quinn]

We the fans are the stakeholders

The fans are the customers. In the modern economy the role of the customer is to be milked.

[Globalgunner]

A curse on all their houses especially that Lady Nina Bracewell Tosspot or whatever her name is. She was the one who held all the cards and at the end her decision to sell her block of shares to Kroenke instead of the burly Uzbek is what has put us in this position. Not that I like the fat bloke but clearly he is more of a fan than Kroenke ever was. A quick due diligence check by any of these shareholders would have show up SKE for what they are: institutional investors who might as well have been investing in a sock making factory. All of SKE`s sports franchises are non performing, and that is over a period of more than a decade. In the US collective bargaining and pay caps mean everybody makes money even when they come last. How ironic that in the land of capitalism. All their sports organisations are organised on a socialist model.

Granted that Lady Nina has come out recently with a bucket full of tears and regrets but the truth is we are in a sporting purgatory with this Kroenke bloke. He simply doesn't care about achievements on the pitch. Allied with a petulant, deluded, narcissist manager who thinks he is on earth to invent a new pattern of football, a la Rinus Michel. It is a combination made in hell

It is not okay to wish a sad demise to any person, but only something drastic happening is going to change our fate at the hands of Kroenke and Wenger

[1_nilto the arsenal]

We used to laugh at Man Utd with the Glazers and their debt, but our owner is the biggest cunt of them all. I serioulsy have lost of the love for Arsenal, it's all changed now and it just doesnt seem to be a club that cares for the supporters. They are only interested in thier ££$$$. its a real labour of love following Arsenal, and to me it's like a corporate giant and not a football club. I just dont have the passion to watch them live or on the box any longer. I used to love the club and plauers and board, but now its not my club anymore, just some gigantic money making monster, served for the well off and corporate clients and executive boxes. I couldnt give a toss about tonights game or next weeks game or next seasons. The club from top down is just so fucked up and is not inetrested in the real fans.

[GP]

That's more about football in general though. It certainly isn't unique to Arsenal.

[Power n Glory]

We used to laugh at Man Utd with the Glazers and their debt, but our owner is the biggest cunt of them all. I serioulsy have lost of the love for Arsenal, it's all changed now and it just doesnt seem to be a club that cares for the supporters. They are only interested in thier ££$$$. its a real labour of love following Arsenal, and to me it's like a corporate giant and not a football club. I just dont have the passion to watch them live or on the box any longer. I used to love the club and plauers and board, but now its not my club anymore, just some gigantic money making monster, served for the well off and corporate clients and executive boxes. I couldnt give a toss about tonights game or next weeks game or next seasons. The club from top down is just so fucked up and is not inetrested in the real fans.

Sad but true. I can't believe this was the vision for the future. We've truly been fucked over. It's getting to the point where I'm considering the same thing. Way too much time and money spent on following this team and it might be time to just switch off. The more and more I think about how football is financed....I just totally disagree with it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn't this getting a bit dramatic? We've started the season poorly, picked up injuries (as always) but we haven't been relegated quite yet.

[A Gunner]

I think a lot of "hatred" is because we are very expensive to watch, premium price for a mediocre team, basically not getting what we pay for. If our ticket price is that of Manure or ManCity, then everyone would feel better.

[fakeyank]

I think a lot of "hatred" is because we are very expensive to watch, premium price for a mediocre team, basically not getting what we pay for. If our ticket price is that of Manure or ManCity, then everyone would feel better.

:gp:

Cannot agree more on this, even though I do not think the cost of going to an Arsenal game is very expensive when I compare it to American sports. I get riled up when I see the Barca's, Bayerns and Utd's ticket prices compared to what we charge for the crap we produce! Its like paying a million dollars to get a toyota corrolla, when you want a Lamborghini.

[Power n Glory]

Isn't this getting a bit dramatic? We've started the season poorly, picked up injuries (as always) but we haven't been relegated quite yet.

You said it yourself, we're customers here to get milked and this isn't just a one off season. We have a manager that sold out a very long time ago and isn't concerned about value for money when it comes to the fans. He's more concerned about turning a profit for the board and shareholders. When asked about the ticket price hike a few years ago, he said it was necessary to remain competitive. Bullshit.

Take him out of the equation and we're still left with Stan and his cronies taking the piss. That £3m KSE took out of the club for services nobody at the club could explain or justify just shows the mentality of the people around the club. It coincides with the most recent ticket price hike and nobody is saying anything or asking the right questions. We're not in good hands and the entertainment factor has vanished.

You yourself question where football is heading and criticise the corporate takeover quite often. Aren't you a little worried by what's happening?

[fakeyank]

You said it yourself, we're customers here to get milked and this isn't just a one off season. We have a manager that sold out a very long time ago and isn't concerned about value for money when it comes to the fans. He's more concerned about turning a profit for the board and shareholders. When asked about the ticket price hike a few years ago, he said it was necessary to remain competitive. Bullshit.

Take him out of the equation and we're still left with Stan and his cronies taking the piss. That £3m KSE took out of the club for services nobody at the club could explain or justify just shows the mentality of the people around the club. It coincides with the most recent ticket price hike and nobody is saying anything or asking the right questions. We're not in good hands and the entertainment factor has vanished.

You yourself question where football is heading and criticise the corporate takeover quite often. Aren't you a little worried by what's happening?

I wonder if NQ was trying to be sarcastic.. :unsure:

[torontogooner]

The fans are the customers. In the modern economy the role of the customer is to be milked.

Your comment might be tongue in cheek, but of course we are stakeholders, we pay our membership fees every year and fill seats with bums, without 60K at each game the club would be fucked.

[torontogooner]

and btw our fucking board could learn a lot from watching how Dortmund treat and "love" their fans.

[Injury Time]

Your comment might be tongue in cheek, but of course we are stakeholders, we pay our membership fees every year and fill seats with bums, without 60K at each game the club would be fucked.
60k sold, not been 60k at most games for a while.

[Injury Time]

and btw our fucking board could learn a lot from watching how Dortmund treat and "love" their fans.

:haha: they give it the "support the club-buy direct" on the website and at the stores at the ground, yet their prices are higher than anyone :bringbackthewankergif:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I disagree. If a company keeps on making a profit year after year and returns nothing to its stakeholders in the way of dividends the profits mean nothing. We the fans are the stakeholders and year after year we have nothing to show for our support but rising ticket prices and merchandise costs. Does not make much business sense to me when we don't buy the right players, don't manage and motivate the team tactically, or strengthen our team when we need to (the defense). We are not real contenders instead, we are perpetual of pretenders.

No Blink, he is not worth the 8 million.

Actually he is.....and as someone has already suggested....one might argue he has been underpaid.

The only stakeholder that matters is kroenke himself as the majority shareholder. When I stated he is worth the 8 million I clearly wasn't saying that from my own viewpoint. I was talking from the point of view of the owner or more accurately, the majority shareholder's viewpoint who lest we forget, is NOT an actual fan of the club in the way you or I are. I think the the manager of this club should be about more than balancing books. I'm not particularly interested in business, not least within football.

The gate receipts and the accounts will tell of demand way exceeding supply still and when Wenger does not make financial sense any more.....Kroenke won't maintain this almost mute persona and veneer of reticence believe me. Certainly not behind the scenes.

[AFC Leveller]

Some dude on the French version of BeIn sports said that the only reason Wenger didnt sign Fabregas was that he was till bitter at the way he left the club and implied that Fabregas forced the move and put Wenger under pressure to sell him.

[Injury Time]

Some dude on the French version of BeIn sports said that the only reason Wenger didnt sign Fabregas was that he was till bitter at the way he left the club and implied that Fabregas forced the move and put Wenger under pressure to sell him.
Perfect opportunity to take him back and say:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130818100405/survivoronlinegaming/images/9/96/Simpsons-nelson-ha-ha-93-p-672x480.jpg
Win:win, oh but we don't aim to do that anymore

[Marc Overmars]

I think I'd find it easier to accept if he didn't sign him as a matter of principle, rather than not signing him because he had misplaced faith in what we already had.

[Globalgunner]

Some dude on the French version of BeIn sports said that the only reason Wenger didnt sign Fabregas was that he was till bitter at the way he left the club and implied that Fabregas forced the move and put Wenger under pressure to sell him.

I think Cesc was entirely justified in leaving as can be plainly seen. Wengers methods just aint working. Also heard that Cesc was asking for astronomical wages. Funny as Chelseas wage bill is said to be lower than ours. Hard to believe even with our "socialist" pay scale.

[AFC Leveller]

I think Cesc was entirely justified in leaving as can be plainly seen. Wengers methods just aint working. Also heard that Cesc was asking for astronomical wages. Funny as Chelseas wage bill is said to be lower than ours. Hard to believe even with our "socialist" pay scale.

I dont know about the wages bit but the guy was adamant that was the reason. However, why did the club insert a bu back clause in the first place? seems odd.

[BOBN]

Some dude on the French version of BeIn sports said that the only reason Wenger didnt sign Fabregas was that he was till bitter at the way he left the club and implied that Fabregas forced the move and put Wenger under pressure to sell him.
If thats true then its the most ballsy thing Wenger has done in like 10 years.

Arsenal FC is not Tapas Hotel. Fook that boy.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I was chasing the dragon with Wenger the other day in an exclusive joint in Limehouse and he told me that Fabregas was never going to happen, that Mourinho had courted him since he left Madrid and that a deal with Chelsea had been verbally agreed for some time.
He then went on to tell me he was sweating colours

[adzzzbatch]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78455000/png/_78455729_pizzagategraphic.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29712118

The BBC have an article about that fateful day.

Bunch of disgusting cheating manc cunts.

[Marc Overmars]

Cesc. :bow:

Best thing he ever did for us.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Roy Keane "I wouldn't have eaten the pizza, it wasnt healthy enough for me"

Especially not after cascading down Ferguson's face

[adzzzbatch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTxl799Q2t4

[BOBN]

23 October 2014, 16:56
Mertesacker lacking motivation

Arsenal defender Per Mertesacker has admitted he has struggled with motivation since winning the World Cup with Germany this summer.

The 6ft 7in centre-back retired from international football after the major triumph but accepts the highs in Brazil have come at some cost to his performances for Arsenal.

He was culpable for Hull striker Abel Hernandez's goal in the 2-2 draw last weekend and also failed to pick up Anderlecht's Dennis Praet for the Belgian club's goal in Arsenal's 2-1 Champions League victory on Wednesday.

"Personally it is difficult at the moment because that was really a long season last year and to come back from that World Cup and get the motivation back," Mertesacker said.

"I am nearly back, but you can feel there is something missing at the moment. With those games, the belief and the mentality is there, but the motivation will come back.

"We didn't even have time to celebrate [the World Cup win] properly, that was the first thing, but you realise month after month what happened. I am still not there [taking in] what happened in Brazil, maybe in five or ten years you can really realise what was going on there.

"We came back to Berlin, got on the stage, waved our hands, showed the World Cup and then everyone disappeared to their families to get some holidays, some rest and calm."

Arsenal's victory in Brussels means the Gunners have qualification in their own hands from Group D but Mertesacker has been underwhelmed with the level of performance shown by Arsene Wenger's men this season.

"Everyone knows that it was a difficult start for us and our confidence is not that much how we wanted it," he said.

"The character is good, the mentality is good, but football-wise, we lack a few things.

"Our passing game is not as efficient as last year. We are not at our best. We have to admit that, be honest with ourselves and train harder."
Yeah good lad, top player :doh:

Excellent way to remotivate him, removing all competition. Well in Wengz.

Defenders would have looked at Wenger and laughed when he said theyd only be back up for this big shot plodder.

[Penguin]

Oh God... I love you Merts but that's shocking :lol:

[Globalgunner]

One of Wenger's main weaknesses is that he hardly ever challenges his players. Never will buy another player better than the ones he has. While other managers keep looking for players to improve the team. The only time Wenger buys a new player is when a disgruntled player leaves. Then you'll get the old chestnut that we only look for players better than what we have....but couldn't find any. Our players hardly ever improve because they are too comfortable. Coddled until they hit 27, then they leave to win things.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Say what you like about Wenger, but we should all be glad he dodged this bullet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29748830


Police are investigating a claim that Liverpool striker Mario Balotelli "threatened" a woman who was taking pictures of his Ferrari.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I dont know about the wages bit but the guy was adamant that was the reason. However, why did the club insert a bu back clause in the first place? seems odd.


Da Benjamins...baby....

[Globalgunner]

Say what you like about Wenger, but we should all be glad he dodged this bullet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29748830
Was this the same Ferrari that he was letting fans drive a few days ago.? Anyway , it's Mario, anythings possible.

[Munchies]

Brendan Rodgers :lol:

[Letters]

Super Mario :bow:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29746547

[Grebbo]

Lots of people on here wanted us to sign Mario :lol: Jeez imagine if we had

[BOBN]

Lots of people on here wanted us to sign Mario :lol: Jeez imagine if we had
We'd have a better option off the bench than Podolski?

[Grebbo]

We'd have a better option off the bench than Podolski?

Would we? I'm no fan of Podolski but Balo is crap.

[Gooner23]

Lots of people on here wanted us to sign Mario :lol: Jeez imagine if we had

Not everyone to be fair. Said in the summer, and will say it again. He's one of the most overrated players in world football. Obviously his attitude stinks, we all know that. But he's just not that good imo.

[BOBN]

Would we? I'm no fan of Podolski but Balo is crap.
If Podolski scores another goal for this club hes done well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not everyone to be fair. Said in the summer, and will say it again. He's one of the most overrated players in world football. Obviously his attitude stinks, we all know that. But he's just not that good imo.

He once blasted in a fluke from 137 yards - so he's world class like Danny Rose tbf.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Thing with Balotelli is, even if he was banging them in left, right and centre he's just not worth it. He is clearly not well mentally which makes him totally unable to behave.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I'm trying to hold off on hanging Balotelli until I see him play up top with a partner i.e. Sturridge regularly. There is no way on this earth he is a lone target man and that's how we've been playing him. I would like to see how he does with someone who can play up with him and help create space by running in behind. The only player who can do that for us right now is Sterling.

But there's no denying he has been pathetic though.

The whole shirt swap thing though. Jesus. What a load of bullshit.

[Globalgunner]

I'm trying to hold off on hanging Balotelli until I see him play up top with a partner i.e. Sturridge regularly. There is no way on this earth he is a lone target man and that's how we've been playing him. I would like to see how he does with someone who can play up with him and help create space by running in behind. The only player who can do that for us right now is Sterling.

But there's no denying he has been pathetic though.

The whole shirt swap thing though. Jesus. What a load of bullshit.

Youre right a load of hogwash and Brendan Rogers is a much lesser man in my eyes because of it. If Liverpool had somehow managed a heroic 1-0 win, it would not even have been mentioned.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGdvzDdxFrw

[PGFC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29738223

[adzzzbatch]

Membership pack arrived today:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l45/adzzzbatch/DSC00926.jpg (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/adzzzbatch/media/DSC00926.jpg.html)

[Niall_Quinn]

How much was that? To the nearest million?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Got mine last week. The packs get shittier and shittier every year.

[Bumble]

Got mine last week. The packs get shittier and shittier every year.
yes got mine too and lasted about a day on the table and then went in the bin. what should happen with them is perhaps like each pack comes with one free ticket a random game. something worth having. although obviously this is harder with season ticket holders. or a game at right back or centre of defence as that is obviously how Sanogo got to play.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't bother with the pack anymore hence why I have Red lite. It would be nicer if they gave more merchandise or even a voucher for The Armoury. An option to redeem a free game would also be sweet.

I have about 7 handbooks and several scarves/hats which are just clutter.

[Letters]

Got mine last week. The packs get shittier and shittier every year.
No. For the past 4 years they've got steadily better. This year they got worse.

:sulk:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is there a lite option for Silver Members?

[adzzzbatch]

Is there a lite option for Silver Members?

Ja £45

[fakeyank]

Looks like a lot of people on here can get me tickets this Christmas! :)

[adzzzbatch]

Looks like a lot of people on here can get me tickets this Christmas! :)

Don't you even think about it :sulk:

[GP]

I think you can even buy tickets to Guantanamo.

[milla]

I think you can even buy tickets to Guantanamo.

:lol:

[Injury Time]

I think you can even buy tickets to Guantanamo.

One way only though... :scarf:

[Xhaka Can’t]

One way only though... :scarf:

On Malaysian.

[milla]

On Malaysian.

:haha:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

There goes my annual surprise of seeing what goodies I get in my membership pack.

I know it's just paraphernalia but most of my post is junk mail, bills and false dawns......basically anything I don't want to see so clutching at straws I actually enjoy getting it! It's always in a well packaged Arsenal box and all neatly laid together too. Perhaps I'm just getting old....

[Injury Time]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/how-the-metro-came-up-with-their-alexis-sanchez-unhappiness-story

[Maestro]

Wenget succeeded where Cripps failed, finally managed to kill off GW.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone know what drugs Martin Samuel is taking?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2818041/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Bayern-Munich-s-dominance-Germany-shows-greed-wreck-football.html

The fat fuck really thinks we've bought our way to the table, despite the fact we brought in an unknown manager who in turn brought in undervalued players who in turn competed head to head with a genuine financial powerhouse, Man Utd. Where were our £30mill signings during all those years when we were victimising the chavs and the gypos? Then we had to suck it up for a decade so we could build a stadium while running the club as a business rather than a rich guy's plaything - how fucking evil is that? We sold our top player every year (just like Dortmund) such was our financial muscle and our willingness to abuse it. And all the while the poor old chavs had to make do with billion quid handouts from a crook.

Just imagine for a minute if our football ability and sound business management had actually prevailed. If that horror had unfolded, instead of the bliss of gangsters and thieves buying their way to the top, football would be in a terrible state just like in Germany where the fans get a decent deal. But we've narrowly avoided that thanks to the huge inflation introduced into the game by the Russians and Arabs. Now English fans can get screwed in the arse until they bleed without ever having to worry about a single club dominating. We have two clubs who dominate over here, unlike in Krautland. Purely coincidentally, they are the two clubs who engage in financial doping. Not horrible fucking clubs with a history like Bayern Fucking Munich. Instead we have the world famous Chavski and the legendary Al Manchester City, in addition to all the altruistic joy they bring to the modern game.

Even so it's not perfect. Clubs like Southampton will never win the league again, like they used to, because of the legacy created by Arsenal and Man Utd (98% Arsenal and 2% Utd who I'm throwing in as a veneer on extreme bias). I could weep buckets of crocodile tears for the fate of poor Southampton.

And on another related point, Ozil is a flop and Sanchez (we are very careful to call him that because he asked nicely if we'd call him Alexis) just can't seem to acclimatise to The Best League in the World. And Arsenal shouldn't be seeded in the CL.

[Syn]

The first half of that article was actually on point. All that evil Bayern stuff - love all that, couldn't agree more. But then the Chelsea/Man City stuff is garbage. Getting your hits though so the fat fuck's done his job.

[Niall_Quinn]

The guy's a moron, in fact such a moron he was voted sports journalist of the year. I could rest my case on that alone.

I'm not saying I approve of the Bayern situation, of course not. But fat man's solution would be to get some grubby gangster in at Dortmund so they could dope up too. Then you have two clubs buying the title and, in his view, a more competitive league. So extend the moron's logic. Why not call up every major crook on the planet and tout out every club in the league? Then we'd have a whole bunch of dopers catapulting mountains of cash into the air. Everyone would be competitive. And the fans could pay £1,000 to watch a game and the agents could negotiate wages of a million quid a day. Just keep going, pumping more cash in.

Or. Pull the balls off the dopers and return football to sanity. Everybody has LESS. The tickets are CHEAPER. The players get paid LESS. Dirty crooks are KICKED OUT. All clubs are run as proper businesses and the job is a whole lot easier because everything is more AFFORDABLE. Clubs who cheat are relegated to the lowest league. There's proper competition.

What the fat fuck is really agitating for is inflation. He's equating cash with competition. And then he's picking on the one club that didn't dope up and highlighting them as a threat that would have seen the likes of a Bayern situation here if the crooks and gangsters hadn't raced to the rescue.

Who does well when there are billions sloshing around football? The fans? Do the players suddenly get better because they are paid so much? Do the entertainment levels rocket? Can the average working fan afford a ticket? No, it's the hangers-on who are suddenly in the money. The poxy agents and poxy chip wrapper journalists who can leap the hype bandwagon and steal a living pumping out lazy shit like fat bastard Samuel does. He's a transparent prick.

[Munchies]

Official Puma ad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEc-Z29mgGI

:haha:

[Globalgunner]

At least we cant accuse Arsene of lacking a sense of humour. They made the new zipper Wengerproof

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chelsea and Man City are just GHEL clubs.

Five teams can win the league. :haha:

No they can't.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

5 teams can win the title :doh:

Almost up there with the 'if we finish 4th wenger is the best manager in the league' comment made on here a few seasons ago :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Well if we finish 4th this year then Wenger is definitely the best manager in the league, that's for sure.

[mr_brighterside]

:gp:

best manager since stewart houston. fact.

it doesn't matter what you do as long as you do it consistently.

[Syn]

Spoof du jour.

http://news.arseblog.com/2014/11/the-10-things-arsenal-need-to-do-to-get-back-on-track/

:d


:haha:

Great article.

[Marc Overmars]

Some moron at the club thought it would be wise for Monreal and Arteta to have a Twitter Q&A this afternoon. :lol:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/AskArteta?src=tren

https://twitter.com/hashtag/AskMonreal?src=tren

[LDG]

Ouch :lol:

[Injury Time]

Lol @monreal "how do you defend a 3 goal lead?" :haha: :crying:

[Letters]

Some moron at the club thought it would be wise for Monreal and Arteta to have a Twitter Q&A this afternoon. :lol:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/AskArteta?src=tren

https://twitter.com/hashtag/AskMonreal?src=tren

:lol: Why the hell do they do this sort of thing. Always ends the same way.

[mr_brighterside]

welbeck defended better, twice as good apparently, than Monreal

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/11/05/arsenals-danny-welbeck-embarrasses-nacho-monreal/?

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Interesting hearing Saido Berhaino say that the best CB's he's played against are Kompany and Koscielny....

Also astounding to hear Phillipe Auclair compare Wenger at his peak to Duke Ellington.... Fantastic and beautiful comparison, though it won't mean much to most on here.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Jazz :lol:

Awful dubstep.

[Letters]

Jazz :lol:

Awful racket.
Corrected your typo.

[Munchies]

Boss on @aaronramsey: "He has to keep his priorities right. He needs to help the team. It's not about goalscoring"

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/530651298551832576

[Dein-machine]

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/530651298551832576

A little bit pot, kettle from Wenger - what about his priorities like a proper defender & DM, priorities that he has failed to deal with for years.

[Marc Overmars]

It's strange to hear him talk candidly about a negative aspect to one of his players game.

I guess what's been said about Ramsey's selfish demeanour isn't too wide of the mark.

[Injury Time]

It's strange to hear him talk candidly about a negative aspect to one of his players game.

I guess what's been said about Ramsey's selfish demeanour isn't too wide of the mark.

Oh dear Songitis, next he'll be "disruptive" in training, then sold to Manure in January to ensure we make a profit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/530651298551832576

Shyt scared, clearly.

[Letters]

A little bit pot, kettle from Wenger - what about his priorities like a proper defender & DM, priorities that he has failed to deal with for years.

:lol:

Is your default position now that everything Wenger says is wrong and to be criticized whether you agree with him or not?

[Power n Glory]

A little bit pot, kettle from Wenger - what about his priorities like a proper defender & DM, priorities that he has failed to deal with for years.

It still doesn't make it right. We often accuse Wenger of not given clear instructions and being tactically inept, but this is one clear case of a player not listening to instructions. Wenger said public before the game that Ramsey should simplify his game and focus more on defending. It's actually good to see Wenger address this in public because he's allowed players to get away with this sort of thing for years and he takes the flak for it.

[Dein-machine]

:lol:

Is your default position now that everything Wenger says is wrong and to be criticized whether you agree with him or not?

yes

[Letters]

:d fair enough!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ramsey has been strutting around all season like someone who has bought into his own hype.

If Wenger has told him this in training and he has ignored him than he deserves being criticised publically for it.

The players are at fault because they are paid vast amounts of money to act like professionals not boastful prima donnas.

The manager is at fault for not bringing his players to heel, you can treat people like adults and retain a strong authoritative presence

The players aren't respecting their manager, and the manager in turn is not doing enoigh to earn this respect.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't mind Ramsey having some arrogance to his game because all the best players have it, it's just got to be managed properly.

Quite pleased Wenget has spoken about this in public tbh.

Time for Ramzi to step up with a Big Man moment in his country on Sunday.

[Niall_Quinn]

We don't have enough threads slaughtering Ramsey.

[Marc Overmars]

More of an observation than sending him to the slaughterhouse in fairness, not often Wenget echos the thoughts of the fans but he's done so here.