Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[IBK]

Big Gabi signs new long term contract. Great news! :clap:

[Chippy]

Big Gabi signs new long term contract. Great news! :clap:

Average at best.
We need to extend Saliba, Saka and Martinelli asap.

[fakeyank]

Average at best.
We need to extend Saliba, Saka and Martinelli asap.
Someone on this forum will lose his mind if Saka extends his deal :ilt:

[Chippy]

Someone on this forum will lose his mind if Saka extends his deal :ilt:

Yes indeed. Mr X has gone very quiet lately :whistle:

[IBK]

Average at best.
We need to extend Saliba, Saka and Martinelli asap.

Wrong. Gabriel has been an almost ever present in a team that is defying expectations, and is clearly highly regarded by our manager. Fallling into the 'narrative' that he is a liability because of some 'high profile' mistakes ignores the fact that he is the perfect foil for Saliba (who has also made mistakes but is flavour of the month so these are largely glossed over) - doing the dirty work to cover him - which is a good blend for CM's. Our defensive performance this season has been just as much the reason behind our success as our attacking threat, and all defenders make mistakes - particularly when you hold the high line that our team does.

Plus Gabriel is left footed (rare commodity), poses a goal threat and has the passion and committment that the team is thriving on - as witnessed by his goal scoring responses to setbacks.

Is he the complete player, no. Are there elements of his game that can be improved on at 24 years old? Of course. But the manager clearly believes that this can and will happen. Average? Absolutely not.

[Marc Overmars]

He’s a very good defender but also happens to be one of those players who can create chaos out of nothing.

People often forget how good a keeper Jens was because he was a fucking nutter.

It is what it is.

[Mac76]

Agree with IBK, there's a lot of nonsense talked about Gabriel

[Globalgunner]

Agree with IBK, there's a lot of nonsense talked about Gabriel

We have a good team, he is an integral part of that. Certainly a better CB than White. Glad he has signed

[mandela8]

Someone on this forum will lose his mind if Saka extends his deal :ilt:

Doubt it.

If you're talking about me you can say my name, mate.

Anyway, resigning Saka, and the others makes financial sense.

Saka's value peaked about a year ago anyway. People are wakening up to him being possibly the greatest hype job ever, so they missed the ideal point to sell him.

Hopefully he improves drastically though and becomes deserving of a.place in the team.

Great business on Gabriel. Definitely a little raw still and I doubt he'll ever be a great 'player' but he'll certainly do a job as a big athletic CB, which are always good to have.

[IBK]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/26/fa-no-action-jordan-henderson-gabriel-magalhaes-liverpool-arsenal-investigation

Do you believe that Henderson used racist language?

[mandela8]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/26/fa-no-action-jordan-henderson-gabriel-magalhaes-liverpool-arsenal-investigation

Do you believe that Henderson used racist language?

Let's look at the evidence.

Is Henderson English? Yes.

Does that make him racist? Almost certainly.

And a paedophile? 100%

[GP]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/26/fa-no-action-jordan-henderson-gabriel-magalhaes-liverpool-arsenal-investigation

Do you believe that Henderson used racist language?

The way Gabriel, Xhaka and his teammates reacted at the time, yes I do.

Proving it is impossible, though.

[Chippy]

The way Gabriel, Xhaka and his teammates reacted at the time, yes I do.

Proving it is impossible, though.

You have to remember that we live in such a WOKE society and time, people would cry if you called them a "Rotter" these days! :coffee:

[Mac76]

oh dear...

[GP]

You have to remember that we live in such a WOKE society and time, people would cry if you called them a "Rotter" these days! :coffee:

What do you mean by woke?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Tofu eaters that call you out if you tell Pakis to go back to Nicaragua.

[HCZ_Reborn]

What do you mean by woke?

Some examples

Insisting that this is a racist society even though studies have shown that the greatest division is one of class rather than race.

People boycotting and threatening legal action against anyone writing good reviews about a documentary about Muslims because the film maker isn’t Muslim


Complaining that a man is using the womens toilets only to be threatened with arrest for misgendering


Teaching the sociological theory of Intersectionality like it’s fact in colleges

[Chippy]

What do you mean by woke?

Ending free speech.
Tearing down statues because they offend you instead of learning from it.
Not being able to define a man or a women without being branded as "Genderphobic".
Etc
Etc

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Anyway Pablo Mari has been stabbed in Italy so that's a bit grim.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway Pablo Mari has been stabbed in Italy so that's a bit grim.

Fortunately he should be ok, though someone was killed in the same attack

[Chippy]

Does anyone else get really, really pissed off when the Spuds continue to get lucky with last minute winning goals? FFS! :sick:

[Letters]

Yes.

But at least the CL one being chalked off was funny.

[Chippy]

Yes.

But at least the CL one being chalked off was funny.

Indeed!! :d

[Letters]

Adams out injured :rose:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/13/strictly-come-dancing-2022-tony-adams-quits-due-to-injury-17749228/

[dazthegooner]

Could Andy Linighan replace him? :unsure:

[Letters]

:haha:

[WMUG]

Could Andy Linighan replace him? :unsure:

Nah, his partner would drop him and he'd break his arm.

[GP]

I've really enjoyed the season so far. Such a shame there's no football to watch until Boxing day.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Canada finally qualifies for their first World Cup since Mexico, and it is in this shit hole.

I hope they do well, but I’m likely not watching

[Chippy]

Canada finally qualifies for their first World Cup since Mexico, and it is in this shit hole.

I hope they do well, but I’m likely not watching

I am actually looking forward to it!

A winter World Cup with no interruptions from "Gardening Chores"!

Happy Days :)

[HCZ_Reborn]

I am actually looking forward to it!

A winter World Cup with no interruptions from "Gardening Chores"!

Happy Days :)

It should only be dark outside during World Cup games due to a monstrous timezone difference

In Brazil World Cup, there was a game on at two in the morning in the group stage. It was a Saturday so loved it

[McNamara That Ghost...]

February 15th for our home game against Man City.

[Chippy]

Jesus injury ends his world cup with Brazil.

Hope it's not serious:(

[Letters]

Reports he’ll need surgery and be out for 3 months :(

Us :pal:

[GP]

Reports he’ll need surgery and be out for 3 months :(

Us :pal:

While my Qatar gently weeps.

[Marc Overmars]

If Jesus is out for 3 months I have no doubt that’s the end of any title challenge and I’m not convinced we’ll finish in the top 4 either.

Gutted.

[Letters]

While my Qatar gently weeps.

:lol:

Very good.

[Chippy]

If Jesus is out for 3 months I have no doubt that’s the end of any title challenge and I’m not convinced we’ll finish in the top 4 either.

Gutted.

So right. Absolutely gutted.
Fuck the World cup 😔

[Marc Overmars]

Medial ligament damage apparently, will have surgery and 3 months out sounds correct.

He barely played but he’s the biggest casualty of the World Cup. How unlucky can you get FFS.

[Chippy]

Medial ligament damage apparently, will have surgery and 3 months out sounds correct.

He barely played but he’s the biggest casualty of the World Cup. How unlucky can you get FFS.
Terrible luck for him and Arsenal.
We certainly get the shitty end regarding injuries. We were never going to win the league, but I am concerned about top four now.

[mandela8]

Aye, Arsenal are really going to miss his goa...


Ahh...NVM.

[Mac76]

Total disaster, though pretty much predictable

Just watch Brazil's next game to see at exactly which point Martinelli gets crocked too...

[Marc Overmars]

Hopefully Eddie is ready to take his chance. Won’t ever have a better opportunity to establish himself now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Hopefully Eddie is ready to take his chance. Won’t ever have a better opportunity to establish himself now.

Fuck that….we needed another striker before Jesus got injured

[Marc Overmars]

We do but I’m not sure who we can realistically get. Maybe we could revisit Vhlahovic given the problems at Juve at the moment.

[Chippy]

Hopefully Eddie is ready to take his chance. Won’t ever have a better opportunity to establish himself now.

Oh pleeeeease!

Eddie is a Championship player at best. We need to sign someone in January or get Balogun back from Loan.

[selassie]

If Jesus is out for 3 months I have no doubt that’s the end of any title challenge and I’m not convinced we’ll finish in the top 4 either.

Gutted.

That's my thoughts too. I think at the bare minimum we have to buy this window, whether it's a wide player who scores goals or a centre forward. We cannot simply rely on Eddie as our only sole striker, it would be gross negligence of the highest order.

[selassie]

Aye, Arsenal are really going to miss his goa...


Ahh...NVM.

His all round play is crucial to our attacking transitions. Nketiah is a big downgrade on Jesus, yes he will probably find the net a bit more, but our general attacking play will go down a level or two without Jesus.

[cricketsi]

Hopefully Saka is fit and ready though - statistically the most effective on-the-ball player at the World Cup...

https://twitter.com/StatsBomb/status/1602273270962831361?t=rviqPfbosc-7wEBVNB-VMQ&s=19

[Letters]

Hopefully Saka is fit and ready though - statistically the most effective on-the-ball player at the World Cup...

https://twitter.com/StatsBomb/status/1602273270962831361?t=rviqPfbosc-7wEBVNB-VMQ&s=19

Mandela :pal:

[Niall_Quinn]

Mandela :pal:

They lost. Seem like he needed to be a bit more effective before his dick gets sucked.

So, he joins the tribe of losers, like all that went before. And that's why we don't win. Because glorious failure is a thing.

You can share his cum shot with me when we actually win something. Until then - all yours.

[Niall_Quinn]

His all round play is crucial to our attacking transitions. Nketiah is a big downgrade on Jesus, yes he will probably find the net a bit more, but our general attacking play will go down a level or two without Jesus.

Well if he finds the net a bit more, who cares? That's the point of a striker, no?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Friendly with Juventus at 6pm.

Streamed for free on Juventus' website, Arsenal charging £5.99 to watch it on Arsenal.com :lol:

And Juve need the money!

[dazthegooner]

0-1 half time Xhaka own goal 45+1.

[Letters]

Sell him, he’s shit!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-2 in the end. :lol:

[Letters]

Arteta out :angry:

[Mac76]

Sell him, he’s shit!

:gp:

[Mac76]

0-2 in the end. :lol:

:haha:

[Globalgunner]

Xhaka is back, in more ways than just his physical presence

Arteta too is still with us

Can we end the season right now? I insist we do

[HCZ_Reborn]

I suspect it won’t be long before silly season is upon us with Transfers

Romford Ray thinks we should sign Azzedine Ounahi. Take away the fact that Angiers his club are going to have a massive pay day off anyone who buys him, are we forgetting that in a global scouting network a 22 year old who has never come to anyone’s attention before is playing for a mid table French club?

I think Ounahi had a great tournament, but world cups should not influence transfer policy.

Let the Man United’s of this world carry on wasting money trying to shortcut their way back to the top 4 with purchases like this or Mac Allister (who again was exceptional in the World Cup, but never been anymore than decent for Brighton)

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Good read below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11572101/Granit-Xhaka-leads-group-five-Arsenal-stars-coaching-badges.html

[Xhaka Can’t]

Thanks, that was a good read

[Letters]

Overmars in hospital after mini-stroke :(

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64128134.amp

[Mac76]

Hopefully he'll recover ok, a lot of people do

[Mac76]

not sure what to make of these, it will certainly brighten the stadium up - i'm guessing they will replace the players' backsides as I'd heard they wanted to

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64238312.amp

[Marc Overmars]

Feels like an appropriate time to freshen the look of the stadium up. The atmosphere is the best it’s ever been at the Emirates.

[Letters]

:good: I like them.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So Starmer was on a podcast and was asked who he’d rather watch an Arsenal game with Piers Morgan or Jeremy Corbyn. He chose Piers Morgan.

Now which would you choose.

I’d choose Corbyn, because even though I can’t stand either of them. More likely to be able to watch the game in peace without a running commentary with him

[Mac76]

Corbyn for sure - i hate Corbyn for the damage he's done but at least he has honourable intentions - Morgan is just a self-serving c**t

[HCZ_Reborn]

Corbyn for sure - i hate Corbyn for the damage he's done but at least he has honourable intentions - Morgan is just a self-serving c**t

I wouldn’t say he had honourable intentions either. But I just don’t think he’d pontificate at you during a football match…his older brother might though

[Mac76]

f*****g love this tune :)

https://twitter.com/leahfridas/status/1617226566089555976

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64361824

Toure sacked by Wigan after 9 games and 0 wins :lol:

[GP]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64361824

Toure sacked by Wigan after 9 games and 0 wins :lol:

No idea why they'd hire a used car salesman.

[Marc Overmars]

I’d be surprised if Kolo can even tie his own shoelaces let alone coach a football team.

[Mac76]

This is a good but slightly depressing interview with Sol Campbell - leaves no doubt regarding what kind of 'people' some Spuds fans are...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/27/sol-campbell-abuse-spurs-arsenal-wishing-someone-is-going-to-die

[HCZ_Reborn]

This is a good but slightly depressing interview with Sol Campbell - leaves no doubt regarding what kind of 'people' some Spuds fans are...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/27/sol-campbell-abuse-spurs-arsenal-wishing-someone-is-going-to-die

No offence but Sol Campbell is a whiny prick

He had his pick of destinations when he let his Spurs contract run down. To come to us was a shitty thing to do

That club took him in at 17 and made him an international…if it had gone the other way…Tony Adams joining Tottenham in his prime…there would have been all the same chants even to this day.

Is it hurtful to hear it? I’m sure it is, but he made his bed.

[Letters]

Arsenal.com still showing our 5th round FA Cup tie as TBC :lol:

https://www.arsenal.com/fixtures

[Mac76]

Yes, I noticed that yesterday, good to see they're up with the times isn't it...

[Letters]

Witherspoon :bow:

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/30/reese-witherspoon-reveals-shes-a-massive-arsenal-fan-during-netflix-movie-promo-18191783/

[Mac76]

Check out the video here, it's really wierd

Those Citeh players are acting like a real bunch of c***s

https://www.sportbible.com/football/oleksandr-zinchenko-arsenal-man-city-fa-cup-fan-reaction-266373-20230128

[Marc Overmars]

Balogun is now top scorer in Ligue 1. A goal ahead of Mbappe.

Really hope he’s given a shot next season but I fear this loan will make him hungry to be a regular elsewhere.

[Mac76]

He feels like another Saliba-type example, with Arteta thinking he's "not ready", meanwhile he's ripping up the pitch elsewhere, we were lucky Saliba didn't bugger off, maybe we won't be so lucky with Balogun

[IBK]

He feels like another Saliba-type example, with Arteta thinking he's "not ready", meanwhile he's ripping up the pitch elsewhere, we were lucky Saliba didn't bugger off, maybe we won't be so lucky with Balogun

Difference is he's signed a longish contract, non?

[Mac76]

I've yet to see a contract that couldn't be bought out

[Chippy]

I've yet to see a contract that couldn't be bought out

If we secure CL football next season, we should see players putting pen to paper. (Saliba, Martinelli, Saka, for example).

[IBK]

If we secure CL football next season, we should see players putting pen to paper. (Saliba, Martinelli, Saka, for example).

Hasn't Martinelli signed?

[Chippy]

Hasn't Martinelli signed?

Not sure? Haven't seen anything:unsure:

[Mac76]

Not sure? Haven't seen anything:unsure:

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/27/arsenal-gabriel-martinelli-agrees-new-long-term-contract-18179667/

[Chippy]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/27/arsenal-gabriel-martinelli-agrees-new-long-term-contract-18179667/
I will wait for the official report from Arsenal ;)

[GP]

I will wait for the official report from Arsenal ;)

https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1621227115625517057?s=46&t=URDDRxOfi5OGAw0V-zsADg

Close enough

[Chippy]

https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1621227115625517057?s=46&t=URDDRxOfi5OGAw0V-zsADg

Close enough
:tiphat:

[Marc Overmars]

It’s official now. :bow:

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12801759/gabriel-martinelli-arsenal-forward-signs-new-contract-with-premier-league-leaders-until-2027

Saka and Saliba next please.

[Mac76]

quite funny this :)

https://twitter.com/espnuk/status/1621116221381812224?s=46&t=U-aFAFuj6FXgtPAZYBkXhQ

[Mac76]

The Neverton home game is on Weds 1st March, in between Villa away and Bournemouth at home, so hopefully a little rotation can be done wihout too much harm - assuming we don't carry on being as shite as we were on Saturday ofc...

[Chippy]

The Neverton home game is on Weds 1st March, in between Villa away and Bournemouth at home, so hopefully a little rotation can be done wihout too much harm - assuming we don't carry on being as shite as we were on Saturday ofc...
It will be very interesting to see how we react on Saturday after the shit show against Neverton. We haven't scored in 180 minutes.

[IBK]

It will be very interesting to see how we react on Saturday after the shit show against Neverton. We haven't scored in 180 minutes.

It will. Mind you to balance your stat, Citeh have only scored once in 180...


(Its United - only 3 points behind Citeh who are on much better goal scoring form).

[Marc Overmars]

It will. Mind you to balance your stat, Citeh have only scored once in 180...


(Its United - only 3 points behind Citeh who are on much better goal scoring form).

I think United are going to finish much closer to us than anticipated. Definitely need to be wary of them because they don’t really drop silly points anymore.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think United are going to finish much closer to us than anticipated. Definitely need to be wary of them because they don’t really drop silly points anymore.

Man United 0-1 Leeds

Early days of course and I think on the whole you’re right, but man unfortunate timing :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

:haha:

I’ll take it tbf.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Man Utd's GD informs me they aren't that much of a threat tbf.

[IBK]

Nice to see Manure drop points last night. Further evidence that there are no gimmes in this league....

[KSE Comedy Club]

Balogun:

Sell or Keep?

Keep imo, but the paper trash talk is that we might sell.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Balogun:

Sell or Keep?

Keep imo, but the paper trash talk is that we might sell.


We need to sell one of Balogun or Nketiah they are too similar as players. I think we really need a striker who poses more of an aerial threat.

[IBK]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/willian-exclusive-interview-chelsea-fc-fulham-arsenal-b1057729.html

I wonder why he is working out at Fulham when he sucked so badly for us?

[Marc Overmars]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/willian-exclusive-interview-chelsea-fc-fulham-arsenal-b1057729.html

I wonder why he is working out at Fulham when he sucked so badly for us?

He was given a very generous contract at a time when Arteta was starting out. I guess it’s understandable that a new coach felt he needed experience, but experience can also mean past your best and unmotivated. Which is what we got with Willian.

[Marc Overmars]

Balogun:

Sell or Keep?

Keep imo, but the paper trash talk is that we might sell.

Sell if we get a big fee but just keep in mind that he’s probably going to develop into a very good striker at the right club. Could be a Gnabry all over again.

[Mac76]

I've not seen much of him but we should be careful before selling, I still think Eddie could go either way in terms of how good he is for us in the medium-to-long term

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I've not seen much of him but we should be careful before selling,I still think Eddie could go either way in terms of how good he is for us in the medium-to-long term
Agreed.

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/16/gay-gooners-celebrate-10-years-as-uks-first-lgbt-football-supporters-club-18288520

Mostly posting this to annoy NQ tbh, although he probably won't see it.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64641090?

Some interesting stuff here, the tl;dr is some disaffected Arsenal fans have created Dial Square FC. A reaction to the way modern football has changed out of all recognition from the game they grew up with, which is clearly has.

[Mac76]

If you'd been there on Weds you'd know that for all the 'changed out of all recognition' stuff, the vast majority of the crowd are still there for the football and to support their team, nothing else, Xhaka found out what people think when you don't take that seriously

[Letters]

If you'd been there on Weds you'd know that for all the 'changed out of all recognition' stuff, the vast majority of the crowd are still there for the football and to support their team, nothing else, Xhaka found out what people think when you don't take that seriously

There's a bit in the article about the atmosphere. That might have been true at times but it hasn't been true recently.
I could tell on the TV that the crowd were certainly doing their bit even if some of the players weren't.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64675842

Dude who kicked Ramsdale banned from football for 4 years.

[GP]

Should be executed.

[Chippy]

Should be executed.

That's a bit lenient :lol:

[GP]

That's a bit lenient :lol:

He's already a Spurs fan, which is already cruel and unusual punishment.

[Mac76]

He's already a Spurs fan, which is already cruel and unusual punishment.

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Rescinding his stadium ban would be the real punishment here.

[Letters]

Fun fact. The two goalkeepers who played in the World Cup Final have now both, since the World Cup, scored own goals for us :d

[Mac76]

Agent Martinez was first rate yesterday

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niPjj0Ee-5o

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64735639

:lol:


Arsenal Women Football Club has increased pay by almost 30%, according to the latest published accounts.

However the entire team still earns considerably less than some individual male players.

I wonder why that could be?


https://www.arsenal.com/tickets/women/2023-Mar-08/liverpool-women

Unreserved seating or standing
Adult £8 (in advance) £12 (on the day)

Main Stand reserved seat*
Adult £12 (in advance), £15 (on the day

Ah yes, that could be it... :doh:

[WMUG]

Yeah that's a bit silly.

On the topic of women's football though, I do recommend getting down to a game if you can.

It's obviously not the same quality as you'd get at a men's game, but I don't think that's the reason most people go to the football anyway.

It's good fun, a friendly atmosphere and helps you see football from a perspective you're probably not used to seeing it from.

[Letters]

I got into the Euros a bit and was actively pleased we won. The quality is pretty good - well, from the top few teams. There isn't the quality in depth there is in the men's game, most teams are still cannon fodder. But that's because the women's game is still emerging in many countries, it will change.

But no matter how much it's hyped, it just doesn't feel the same as the men's game. I'm pleased we won the Euros but it didn't "come home". I got a bit fed up of the rhetoric during the Euros, it was like if you weren't behind the women and didn't cheer them on as much as you would the men then you weren't a proper football fan. It's utter bollox.

[Marc Overmars]

Hopefully the women’s game does continue to grow and stand on its own two feet.

It’s a separate entity though and something that can’t sensibly be compared to the men’s game.

[Letters]

Exactly that.

But a recent game against Chelsea had an attendance at The Emirates of over 45,000. That wouldn't have happened 10 years ago, or even 5. So interest is clearly growing.
I'll probably get into the next World Cup in a way I'd never have done previously with a women's tournament.

[Marc Overmars]

Saka is close to signing a new deal. :bow:

[Mac76]

only just clocked that Elneny signed an extension until 2024

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64717525

really pleased tbh I think he's an excellent squad player with a really great attitude

[IBK]

only just clocked that Elneny signed an extension until 2024

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64717525

really pleased tbh I think he's an excellent squad player with a really great attitude

Also a classy move by the club. Important to show all of our players that the club has their backs.

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah it would have sent a poor message if we had just let him go while crocked.

[Letters]

Nothing to do with anything, but in case anyone is interested, we are 1 point off where The Invincibles were at this stage.

[Chippy]

Nothing to do with anything, but in case anyone is interested, we are 1 point off where The Invincibles were at this stage.

Wow! I would never had guessed that! Bloody amazing from where we were a year ago.

[Chippy]

Maybe a tad juvenile, but is anyone else feeling rather chirpy this morning because that lot down the road got dumped out of the Champions League last night 🙂.

[Letters]

Maybe a tad juvenile, but is anyone else feeling rather chirpy this morning because that lot down the road got dumped out of the Champions League last night ��.

Yes :lol:

It's getting on for 40 years since they won the UEFA Cup. Since then they've won one FA Cup and 2 League Cups :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Maybe a tad juvenile, but is anyone else feeling rather chirpy this morning because that lot down the road got dumped out of the Champions League last night ��.

Totally indifferent to be honest.

Well no that’s not true, I obviously kept myself updated with the score last night and wanted AC Milan to knock them out.

But can’t say it’s made any great difference to my overall mood

[Chippy]

Totally indifferent to be honest.

Well no that’s not true, I obviously kept myself updated with the score last night and wanted AC Milan to knock them out.

But can’t say it’s made any great difference to my overall mood

Just myself and Letters then:dancingman:

[Letters]

Just myself and Letters then:dancingman:

:lol: Petty amusement, ftw :bow:

[Chippy]

:lol: Petty amusement, ftw :bow:
:scarf:

[GP]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/zinchenko-voted-februarys-player-month

Well deserved

[Chippy]

Not sure how I feel about going out of the Europa League last night.
Obviously pissed that we cannot seem to click in Europe. Also really annoyed losing Tommy and Saliba and having to play 120 minutes two days before a big game v Palace (Vieira sacked btw). They are going to be pretty tired on Sunday.

[Letters]

For you fellow boring people, the Invincibles points progress vs the current season so far.

https://i.ibb.co/8zrgDh8/Invincibles-Vs2022-23.jpg

[Mac76]

Interesting to see the extent to which they match up, especially our recent dip then revival

[HCZ_Reborn]

Interesting to see the extent to which they match up, especially our recent dip then revival

Lot more draws in the unbeaten season. We have won as many games away from home already as we did in the whole of the 03/04 season (11)

[Marc Overmars]

Those 4 draws after we sealed the title were a little bit annoying as 90 points has since been surpassed multiple times.

I guess how early it was sealed though is a better indicator of dominance.

[Letters]

We actually only scored 73 league goals that season too. We've scored 66 already so will surely better that.

[Marc Overmars]

We actually only scored 73 league goals that season too. We've scored 66 already so will surely better that.

A lot of the Invincibles statistics have been bettered over time.

The game is just so different now. The athleticism has gone through the roof and produced so many great attackers, while truly world class defenders seem hard to come by.

[WMUG]

Haaland has pulled out of the Norway squad with a groin injury :pray:

[Letters]

Haaland has pulled out of the Norway squad with a groin injury :pray:

Come on, dude, you know what that really means...

[WMUG]

Come on, dude, you know what that really means...

Let me be hopeful :angry:

[Marc Overmars]

I mean, he’s definitely going to be starting against Liverpool.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I mean, he’s definitely going to be starting against Liverpool.

For a second I thought you meant Rob Holding and had a mini panic attack.

In fairness, he’s played twice against Liverpool this season (at Wembley and at Anfield) and he wasn’t that impressive in either

Now I’m not for a second calling him a flat track bully because that would be absurd just as his footballing ability is absurd but I’m just saying that Liverpool seemed to handle him well

[Ralpheroo72]

Mesut Ozil: Former Arsenal, Real Madrid and Germany midfielder announces retirement aged 34 | Football News | Sky Sports (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12840082/mesut-ozil-former-arsenal-real-madrid-and-germany-midfielder-announces-retirement-aged-34)

Looks like he has officially retired

[Letters]

I saw this about him the other day :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVeUPg5k39U

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/27/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-arsenal-do-not-have-a-standout-star-18509502

[Mac76]

Cech :haha:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/65085966

[HCZ_Reborn]

The women are playing at the Emirates

Not sure I like that

It’s like when you’ve bought chips, they don’t want their own chips they just want to take a few of yours.

Get your own stadium

[Chippy]

The women are playing at the Emirates

Not sure I like that

It’s like when you’ve bought chips, they don’t want their own chips they just want to take a few of yours.

Get your own stadium

:lol::lol:

[GP]

Currently 2-0 up against Bayern

[WMUG]

Live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31p8mH_ItM

[WMUG]

Also, sexism aside, I have wondered before if we could build a stadium in Finsbury Park, where the athletics track currently is.

Seems a waste to have the women play in Not London

[Letters]

Tbf they got over 47,000 people there for the WSL North London Derby.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Arsene Wenger along with Sir Alex were inducted into premier league hall of fame yesterday. Only two managers to have been inducted

Wenger :bow:

[WMUG]

Tbf they got over 47,000 people there for the WSL North London Derby.

Sure, I meant for the more run of the mill games.

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/30/arsenal-fans-paying-53000-for-last-day-premier-league-match-v-wolves-18527951

:lol:

:doh:

[Chippy]

I was in Brick Lane today about one o'clock and met a bunch of Brighton fans having a beer before heading off to the shithole. They were in good spirits and I wished them luck.
Sadly, VAR and a cunt of of a ref put paid to their day. Shit weekend of football so far.

[Letters]

It was 20 years ago today…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBkWRs7r-c

[Mac76]

It was 20 years ago today…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBkWRs7r-c

Absolute top quality

[Letters]

Probably the best save I've ever seen live. I didn't actually appreciate just how good it was - it was at the far end from us and my eyesight for distance isn't amazing. As we were leaving at the end I saw a replay on the screens in the concourse and realised what he'd done.

[WMUG]

I was there that day too. Had to stand on my seat the whole game in order to see above the heads of everyone else :lol:

I have a clear memory in my head of Ashley Cole clearing it off the line, which tells you how good my view was.

[Marc Overmars]

Superb save.

I always laugh at the guy who skied it at the end. If he had put that in the save would have been forgotten about.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ridiculous save, almost Matrix like. We were absolutely lousy in that game as I remember (fully expected Sheffield United to be promoted that season but they lost in the play off final to Wolves and took them another three years to come up)

Easter Sunday I think it was. And three days before we played Man United at Highbury in the 2-2 draw (where VAR would almost certainly have chalked off Henry’s second goal)

[Chippy]

It was 20 years ago today…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBkWRs7r-c
Header was too soft tbh :coffee:

[GP]

You're too soft

[Letters]

You're too soft

#thatswhatshesaid

[Chippy]

#thatswhatshesaid

:haha::haha:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I was there that day too. Had to stand on my seat the whole game in order to see above the heads of everyone else :lol:

I have a clear memory in my head of Ashley Cole clearing it off the line, which tells you how good my view was.That's the real reason Letters couldn't see it as well

[WMUG]

:haha:

[LDG]

That's the real reason Letters couldn't see it as well

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Scored more than in 03/04 now. :bow:

[Letters]

This isn't ideal...

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/24/arsenal-womens-plane-bursts-into-flames-as-they-try-to-take-off-18665023/

[HCZ_Reborn]

This isn't ideal...

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/24/arsenal-womens-plane-bursts-into-flames-as-they-try-to-take-off-18665023/

https://media.tenor.com/KIbHPkFeCk4AAAAS/oh-dear-how-sad-never-mind.gif

[Mac76]

By the way - we've now definitely qualfied for the CL because Brighton lost :yippee: :clap: :dancingman:

:lol:

[Chippy]

By the way - we've now definitely qualfied for the CL because Brighton lost :yippee: :clap: :dancingman:

:lol:
Bugger off :sulk:

[Mac76]

Bugger off :sulk:

:(

[Letters]

By the way - we've now definitely qualfied for the CL because Brighton lost :yippee: :clap: :dancingman:

:lol:

:partytime:

[Chippy]

:(

:smooch:

[Letters]

Sign him up, Mikel :d

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/03/lionel-messi-to-leave-psg-this-summer-18717745/

[Marc Overmars]

He’ll surely go back to Barca.

[GP]

Or Qatar for eleventy billion a week.

[Mac76]

knowing Arteta he'd get him to play at CB anyway

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m seeing too many rumours linking us with Mason Mount. Arteta and Edu can fuck off with that shit. We want the squad improved

[Marc Overmars]

To be fair he fits the profile of what we’d probably want.

I think because he’s a Chelsea boy that might cloud our judgement, but I’ve always felt he was decent technically and very good in transitions. Not saying we can’t do better but I think if the interest is true, it’s probably because we’ve earmarked him as a Xhaka replacement given the role he’s played this season suits the kind of player Mount is.

[HCZ_Reborn]

To be fair he fits the profile of what we’d probably want.

I think because he’s a Chelsea boy that might cloud our judgement, but I’ve always felt he was decent technically and very good in transitions. Not saying we can’t do better but I think if the interest is true, it’s probably because we’ve earmarked him as a Xhaka replacement given the role he’s played this season suits the kind of player Mount is.

I don’t care who he plays for. If I thought he was a good player I’d want to sign him. I think too many people had the negative attitude towards Jorginho because he played for Chelsea but I was one of those who thought he was a useful squad signing and I think that’s been borne out.

I think Mount is shit, if he didn’t have that brief spell of looking ok three years ago he wouldn’t keep getting called up to the England squad. I absolutely want an upgrade on Xhaka, Mount is not it

[Mac76]

I don’t care who he plays for. If I thought he was a good player I’d want to sign him. I think too many people had the negative attitude towards Jorginho because he played for Chelsea but I was one of those who thought he was a useful squad signing and I think that’s been borne out

I think Mount is shit, if he didn’t have that brief spell of looking ok three years ago he wouldn’t keep getting called up to the England squad. I absolutely want an upgrade on Xhaka, Mount is not it

I felt exactly the same about Jorg (I really must stop agreeing with you, it doesn't feel right ;) ) but truth is i've always thought Mount was a bit of an arsehole and too inclined to use the dark arts, although tbf we probably need some more of that so maybe it would be useful

I've not watched enough of Chelsea to know how good he is these days but as they said on the post-Chelsea Arsecast, we're maybe looking to offload some of our English players (Holding, ESR, maybe Eddie) so I'm guessing they're having to look at replacements to satisfy the 'home-grown' quota

[Mac76]

One for the Zin fanboys - just saw this on Twitter - we get more goals without him and he generally doesn't improve the side when playing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv4Wv3naAAAtXkU?format=png&name=small

[Letters]

One thing I would note, he hasn't missed that many games this season. I mean, he's played in all the games we lost in the league.
Is it really valid to say we'd have done better against City if he hadn't played? Seems like a stretch.
So I think you need to be a bit careful with stats like this, you're not really comparing like for like.
I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't watch enough games to have a really strong opinion either way. Love his passion though.

[Mac76]

I mean, he's played in all the games we lost in the league.


I think you make my point for me

[Letters]

I think you make my point for me

If you ignore the rest of my post I guess, but that would be a bit disingenuous, wouldn't it?

[Mac76]

If you ignore the rest of my post I guess, but that would be a bit disingenuous, wouldn't it?

no, you've pointed out that we have only lost when he's playing, some people might say there's somethig in that.

and yes, given City bypassed our midfield, where Zin's supposed to make a difference, thereby making him irrelevant, then Tierney would have been a better option as he does at least offer more in defence and, I'd argue, in attack

[Letters]

no, you've pointed out that we have only lost when he's playing, some people might say there's something in that
Some people would be awful at analysing data if they did.

The point I was trying to make, which you are deliberately missing, is that it's too simplistic to look at games he played in vs games he didn't this season because by definition they're different games and the sample size for the games he didn't play is pretty small. If he'd played 50% of games and there was a clear difference then it might be a more valid argument.

TL;DR, you need to be a bit careful with statistics.

[HCZ_Reborn]

no, you've pointed out that we have only lost when he's playing, some people might say there's somethig in that.

and yes, given City bypassed our midfield, where Zin's supposed to make a difference, thereby making him irrelevant, then Tierney would have been a better option as he does at least offer more in defence and, I'd argue, in attack


In fairness to Letters what he’s actually pointing out is that the stats on with Zinchenko vs not with Zinchenko are not exactly fool proof because as he states Zinchenko has played far more games this season than he hasn’t, therefore the averages extrapolated for our stats without Zinchenko come from a much smaller pool of data.

This doesn’t refute your criticism of Zinchenko it’s just the stat box itself is probably not as informative as it could be.


Zinchenko was definitely not an asset for us in any of the four games we lost this season, definitely a poor performer in all four games. I’m not convinced however that his absence would have resulted in us not losing….simply because of other factors involved.

United Away - He was made to look very silly by Antony, but it was arguably Lokonga who gave Eriksen the freedom of the midfield


Everton Away - Absolutely awful, but so was Partey, so was Odegaard



City home and Away - Home game we suffered without Partey and just couldn’t impose ourselves in the second half, and Away it was just a shit show all over the pitch….Partey, Xhaka, Holding, White, Jesus…all sub par.

[Mac76]

@hcz i don't have time to go back through every game but am sure there are plenty more examples, here's just two recent ones:

Liverpool away - Tierney would have been a better choice to counter them down our left - Zinchenko was comprehensivly done for the second Liverpool goal

Newcastle away - Tierney coming on was the best thing that could have happened (which is why we should have known it was forced rather than tactical), he gave a us much more stability and i'd argue greatly helped prevent yet another 2-0 becoming 2-2

if i had time i am 100% sure i could come up with several mroe examples of this kind - which is easy to say but i really mean it

[FootieJohn909]

Weclome to the arsenal fan club. Where people dont share good or relevant opinions

[HCZ_Reborn]

@hcz i don't have time to go back through every game but am sure there are plenty more examples, here's just two recent ones:

Liverpool away - Tierney would have been a better choice to counter them down our left - Zinchenko was comprehensivly done for the second Liverpool goal

Newcastle away - Tierney coming on was the best thing that could have happened (which is why we should have known it was forced rather than tactical), he gave a us much more stability and i'd argue greatly helped prevent yet another 2-0 becoming 2-2

if i had time i am 100% sure i could come up with several mroe examples of this kind - which is easy to say but i really mean it


Again I’m not questioning whether Zinchenko’s poor performances contributed to those results they clearly did. I am just not as confident to say that playing him was the only reason we lost those games and we wouldn’t have lost them had he not played.

Liverpool away for example, he was dreadful of course and he was being targeted on that right hand side. And I clearly stated before the game my preference to play Tierney instead of him. But what also felt clear to me is that Liverpool for all our poor play and their ability to build a head of steam had somewhat petered out against us from the 70 minute mark and I think we gave them the momentum back again by taking off Odegaard and putting on Kiwior. Not that Odegaard was playing well or that Kiwior is a bad player but we lost any bit of control we had in midfield. And I think the pressure that was invited on us would have told whether Zinchenko or Tierney played. In fact Tierney was badly skinned in the few minutes he got in that game.

And the same collapse happened against West Ham when Zinchenko didn’t even play


I think even when we win comfortably Zinchenko makes me nervous so really the only argument I’d make is that the stats aren’t all that revealing. I agree with you that it’s not good that he’s one of Arteta’s favourites….I arguably think if we played him at home and Tierney away from home we’d probably do a lot better…as Zinchenko does well in games where the other team sits deep and gives us possession.

It was never my understanding that he was supposed to be first choice, more a utility player and to that end I had less problem with us signing him although I felt the priority should have been central midfield.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Weclome to the arsenal fan club. Where people dont share good or relevant opinions

Who are you, and why should I care?

[Mac76]

Who are you, and why should I care?

looks like a troll to me - can Letters or Maccy ban them?

[Letters]

looks like a troll to me - can Letters or Maccy ban them?

Gosh! I actually have some modding to do? It's been a while.
Meh, I'll see how he goes. People get away with a lot worse around here these days.

[LDG]

Gosh! I actually have some modding to do? It's been a while.
Meh, I'll see how he goes. People get away with a lot worse around here these days.

Fuck off

[Mac76]

:lol:

[Mac76]

It was never my understanding that he was supposed to be first choice, more a utility player and to that end I had less problem with us signing him although I felt the priority should have been central midfield.

If he was just another player that was sometimes in the team and sometimes not, I wouldn't get so exercised about it, but his first-on-the-team-sheet status, plus undeserved gushing from many fans who are way too easily impressed by seeing someone run around a lot, really annoys me

[mandela8]

I might have misjudged Saka. Literally. Used the wrong criteria to judge him.

Greame Le Saux opened my eyes by saying he's been arsenal best player again, not necessarily due to his performance but the smile on his face he plays with, despite having to go through so much at such a young age.

All this time I was judging him as a footballer, not a TV talent show contestant.

My bad.

[mandela8]

He's just came second I'm the FWA awards, btw.

Second best player in the league this season.

Let that sink in.

[Letters]

Fuck off

<_<

It’s nice to see I still command respect around here :cool:


:getcoat:

[HCZ_Reborn]

If he was just another player that was sometimes in the team and sometimes not, I wouldn't get so exercised about it, but his first-on-the-team-sheet status, plus undeserved gushing from many fans who are way too easily impressed by seeing someone run around a lot, really annoys me

He doesn’t run around a lot, I wouldn’t mind if he did

[Mac76]

I've always said these guys were dodgy, most people just tune them out, they've nothing to do with the improved atmosphere and I'd heard before about the anti-semitism, no surprise when see their neo-fascist dress sense and banners

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/may/12/arsenal-police-antisemitic-messages-ashburton-army-fan-group

[HCZ_Reborn]

Gosh a club based in an area with a large Muslim community, with large support from Black and Asians both here and abroad expresses a high volume of Antisemitism.

Knock me down with a feather

Next you’ll be telling me that these same fans become extremely homophobic whenever the club for corporate reasons brings out the Rainbow adverts.

It’s almost as if racism and bigotry isn’t about white colonialism and it’s actually a result of human beings being primitive and tribal. And trying to police it, is like trying to fish diarrhoea out of a toilet bowl with a sieve

[Mac76]

Gosh a club based in an area with a large Muslim community, with large support from Black and Asians both here and abroad expresses a high volume of Antisemitism.

Knock me down with a feather

Next you’ll be telling me that these same fans become extremely homophobic whenever the club for corporate reasons brings out the Rainbow adverts.

It’s almost as if racism and bigotry isn’t about white colonialism and it’s actually a result of human beings being primitive and tribal. And trying to police it, is like trying to fish diarrhoea out of a toilet bowl with a sieve

Except from what i've seen the group concerned is almost wholly, if not entirely, white and male

[HCZ_Reborn]

Except from what i've seen the group concerned is almost wholly, if not entirely, white and male

That I find more surprising. In reality despite the fear drumbeat of Nazis under the bed, AS is more a preserve of Muslims and Afro-Carribeans. Then again Jeremy Corbyn has plenty of young white men supporting him.

[Mac76]

sorry, "AS"?

meanwhile take a look at this - ok their faces are blurred out but you can see it

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-ashburton-army-leeds-united-28251901

and why the menacing fascist imagery on the flags?

they could literally have chosen any images they wanted - including people of different races

yes as the article implies, they're currently a bunch of immature tossers who woudld no more beat you up than walk across the road when a red man is showing, but still a huge blaze can be started with a single match...

[HCZ_Reborn]

sorry, "AS"?

meanwhile take a look at this - ok their faces are blurred out but you can see it

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-ashburton-army-leeds-united-28251901

and why the menacing fascist imagery on the flags?

they could literally have chosen any images they wanted - including people of different races

yes as the article implies, they're currently a bunch of immature tossers who woudld no more beat you up than walk across the road when a red man is showing, but still a huge blaze can be started with a single match...


Oh my you’re actually serious?


If you were being more slippery slope you’d be a steep vertical drop


Ultras exist all throughout football and they use imagery to invoke a sense of fear.


They are hardly the newest chapter of Storm front or Combat 18 are they?


The nearest thing we have to extremist supporters was when Bin Laden used to rock up to Highbury in his early twenties (which is actually quite ballsy…considering a lot of our supporters then probably would have wanted to bash someone for having brown skin…different times alas)


I think I made this point before that many lefties tend to look for fascism in the wrong place. On the surface you still have the far right groups of course - The EDL, Britain First but they really do have a diminished impact on our national conversation relative to the other more latent threat.

[Mac76]

Oh my you’re actually serious?


If you were being more slippery slope you’d be a steep vertical drop


Ultras exist all throughout football and they use imagery to invoke a sense of fear.


They are hardly the newest chapter of Storm front or Combat 18 are they?


The nearest thing we have to extremist supporters was when Bin Laden used to rock up to Highbury in his early twenties (which is actually quite ballsy…considering a lot of our supporters then probably would have wanted to bash someone for having brown skin…different times alas)


I think I made this point before that many lefties tend to look for fascism in the wrong place. On the surface you still have the far right groups of course - The EDL, Britain First but they really do have a diminished impact on our national conversation relative to the other more latent threat.

so a young Asian woman who turns a corner to be suddenly confronted by a bunch of young men, some of whom cover their faces, and waving menacing flags, can feel perfectly safe and comfortable?

you need to get out of your armchair and walk the city streets once in a while

[HCZ_Reborn]

so a young Asian woman who turns a corner to be suddenly confronted by a bunch of young men, some of whom cover their faces, and waving menacing flags, can feel perfectly safe and comfortable?

you need to get out of your armchair and walk the city streets once in a while

Again as I say slippery slope argument

Plus how comfortable would a white woman feel with a bunch of Asian thugs not showing their faces and waving flags and making menacing slogans

What factually has been more likely to occur?

Going back to Anti Semitism, when Jews get attacked physically or verbally it’s more often than not the assailant is Muslim who will justify their behaviour with some half baked statement over Palestinian rights.

In cities in this country, it’s black and Asian men women of whatever colour tend to fear

We’ve created this ghettoisation effect in the name of diversity and multiculturalism rather than make the effort to integrate

In a proportional sense that kind of thing concerns me far more than a couple of skin heads who will have their back sides handed to them when they come up against any proper football gangs

[Mac76]

In a proportional sense that kind of thing concerns me far more than a couple of skin heads who will have their back sides handed to them when they come up against any proper football gangs

no doubt when Hitler's brownshirts hit the streets they said the same thing

"just a few kids messing about, no problem..."

[HCZ_Reborn]

no doubt when Hitler's brownshirts hit the streets they said the same thing

"just a few kids messing about, no problem..."


You’re not helping combat my slippery slope contention by bringing Godwin’s Law into play you know? :haha:

[Mac76]

You’re not helping combat my slippery slope contention by bringing Godwin’s Law into play you know? :haha:

whatever, if you want to ignore history go ahead

[Mac76]

Check this out - apparently this is at London Colney yesterday morning - Arteta totally blanks Trossard when shaking hands with everyone else at the training ground

perhaps Trossard had the temerity to ask why he isn't one of the Chosen Ones


https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1658419520451538944

[Mac76]

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[Mac76]

/\

ok, i'll try a third time - is no one interested in our manager blatantly ignoring one of our players at the training ground - a guy we only signed in January and that many of us would like to see get more game time?

[Letters]

I think this is HCZian levels of reading too much into something

[Mac76]

:rolleyes:

If he'd done the same to another manager at the beginning of a game, it would have been a major incident - it's not an accident, it's really blatant and it's really unprofessional to behave like that

to me it speaks volumes about the kind of person Arteta is, i.e. a total control freak - I'd already said elsewhere that i bet Trossard is regretting coming to a club where he thought he'd have a fair chance of getting game time, only to find that Arteta has one starting 11 and you're either you're in or you're out

We're not Man Utd, we can't afford a manager who is endlessly freezing out talented players for no reason, but it's exactly what he's doing

[HCZ_Reborn]

Arsenal have played 18 league games since Trossard joined us, and he’s played some part in all of them…so not exactly being “frozen out”. It would have been nice to see him start more games for sure and get more game time. But frozen out? That’s what happened to Ozil (and in his case that was deserved)

Arteta has all the social charm of Raymond Babbit, so whilst I accept he does fall out with players I wouldn’t want to draw that conclusion based on a ten second clip.

Martinelli is out for the rest of the season, If Trossard doesn’t start against Forest then yeah there might be something to it. Unless….nah

[Mac76]

If the ten-second clip was of Arteta shooting Trossard in the head, you'd be tallking differently, the length of the clip is irrelevant

I strongly suspect Trossard thought he should start against Brighton, he knows their players and who'd be more up for it than him?

Maybe he's made too much of it and annoyed Arteta,, but not to keep up at least a pretence of normal working relationships is poor on Arteta's part

[HCZ_Reborn]

If the ten-second clip was of Arteta shooting Trossard in the head, you'd be tallking differently, the length of the clip is irrelevant

That would be a clip of someone murdering someone so yes I agree completely different.

It’s pretty clear that the test of whether there’s something in it, is the team sheet at 16:30 on Saturday afternoon

If Trossard starts, best to ignore the clip unless more subsequently appear

If Trossard doesn’t start, then you can conclude there might be an issue

[HCZ_Reborn]

Plus and this warrants mentioning, you still think that a couple of idiots dressing up in black is the heralding of a Nazi renaissance so best to treat your analytical acumen with skepticism


As I say I’ll let the team sheet do the talking. It’s not that I’m saying you’re definitely wrong because Arteta has history of falling out with players but to this end a) Trossard hasn’t been frozen out of the team and b) the length of the clip is relevant because a longer clip might show you who else he didn’t shake hands with and greet.

Trossard was apparently being a pain in the arse when still with Brighton, and so might be getting a bit too opinionated for Arteta’s liking and I agree with Auba that this is clearly not someone who can handle strong minded/willful players….given I think Arteta is on the neurodiverse spectrum.

But I have no diagnostic credentials to make anything more than an educated guess about such things

[Letters]

If the ten-second clip was of Arteta shooting Trossard in the head, you'd be tallking differently, the length of the clip is irrelevant
The length of the clip isn't completely irrelevant. The point is, it's a clip. I've seen this sort of thing where clips have been edited leaving out the wider context to paint a narrative which doesn't reflect what actually happened.
I think you're reading way too much into this. I'm not saying Arteta doesn't have flaws but so do all managers. But for all that he's got us being the only team to try and challenge a City side who like they're cruising to the treble.
Apart from them we've been miles above everyone else, so he's doing something right. Whether he can push us on remains to be seen but he's absolutely earned the right to try.

[Marc Overmars]

If the ten-second clip was of Arteta shooting Trossard in the head, you'd be tallking differently, the length of the clip is irrelevant

I strongly suspect Trossard thought he should start against Brighton, he knows their players and who'd be more up for it than him?

Maybe he's made too much of it and annoyed Arteta,, but not to keep up at least a pretence of normal working relationships is poor on Arteta's part

Trossard came on early enough to make an impact but he was shit anyway. Got double teamed and mocked out of the game by Brighton fans.

[Chippy]

so a young Asian woman who turns a corner to be suddenly confronted by a bunch of young men, some of whom cover their faces, and waving menacing flags, can feel perfectly safe and comfortable?

you need to get out of your armchair and walk the city streets once in a while

I often walk the streets of London and can assure you I wouldn't let my daughter walk through some of the shit hole streets and estates after dusk. It works both ways.

[mandela8]

Arteta definitely doesn't like strong personalities though. I think that's clear.

I also think there's a link there to arsenal's successive collapses at crucial points of the last two seasons.

Arteta clearly prefers subservience in his players but those types of people don't tend to resist pressure particularly well.

[Mac76]

Arteta definitely doesn't like strong personalities though. I think that's clear.

I also think there's a link there to arsenal's successive collapses at crucial points of the last two seasons.

Arteta clearly prefers subservience in his players but those types of people don't tend to resist pressure particularly well.

At last some sense

[Mac76]

I often walk the streets of London and can assure you I wouldn't let my daughter walk through some of the shit hole streets and estates after dusk. It works both ways.

Absolutely but two wrongs don't make a right

[Mac76]

The length of the clip isn't completely irrelevant. The point is, it's a clip. I've seen this sort of thing where clips have been edited leaving out the wider context to paint a narrative which doesn't reflect what actually happened.


He's greeting EVERY player, raises his hand and is about to greet Trossard then realises who it is, withdraws his hand and walks off

It coudn't be more blatant

As I said above, maybe Trossard's alleged personality issues are rising to the fore, maybe he gives Arteta a "don't effing say hello to me" look, but a manager needa to keep a lid on it and deal with it, as HCZ maybe Trossard will start on Sunday - if he does maybe it will be because Arteta is trying to pacify him (though that would be out of character) but something's not right and with Arteya's poor track record on man-management it's worrying at least

[Letters]

At last someone who agrees with me
fyp

;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

At last some sense

:haha:

I already stated and have stated for ages that Arteta doesn’t like strong personalities

I also emphatically have not ruled out that Arteta and Trossard could have fallen out. I just want more evidence than what I’ve seen

It’s a bit like seeing a twitter rumour about a player injury. It’s not to say it’s untrue, I just want more concrete sources


And no offence but you’d be more like one of those in the know accounts that frequently get things wrong, or in the days of ceefax one of those money gobbling transfer rumour phone lines

[Mac76]

fyp

;)

I saw what you did there :)

[Mac76]

:haha:

I already stated and have stated for ages that Arteta doesn’t like strong personalities

I also emphatically have not ruled out that Arteta and Trossard could have fallen out. I just want more evidence than what I’ve seen

It’s a bit like seeing a twitter rumour about a player injury. It’s not to say it’s untrue, I just want more concrete sources


And no offence but you’d be more like one of those in the know accounts that frequently get things wrong, or in the days of ceefax one of those money gobbling transfer rumour phone lines

Thing is, I often am right, I pointed out Zin's flaws months before others started spotting them for example, now everyone's waking up to them except all the bloggers etc who tied their colours to his mast and are now having to dig themselevs out by saying he's 'dropped off recently' etc

Yes let's wait until Sunday but there's no way something hasn't transpired between Arteta and Trossard and yes that video does pretty much tell us that

[HCZ_Reborn]

Thing is, I often am right, I pointed out Zin's flaws months before others started spotting them for example, now everyone's waking up to them except all the bloggers etc who tied their colours to his mast and are now having to dig themselevs out by saying he's 'dropped off recently' etc

Yes let's wait until Sunday but there's no way something hasn't transpired between Arteta and Trossard and yes that video does pretty much tell us that


Spotting that Zinchenko was useless doesn’t make you Colombo, it makes you someone with eyes who has enough passing understanding of football to understand what a left back does and how Zinchenko doesn’t meet those criteria. I’ve been saying that all season, it’s no more of a boast than saying “I recognised my bladder was full and went for a piss”

People that defend him didn’t fail to notice what was obvious, they just thought they were being football hipsters

Plus we are playing on Saturday not Sunday so you can’t even get that one right

[Mac76]

Plus we are playing on Saturday not Sunday so you can’t even get that one right

just checking you were reading my posts properly ;) :run:

[mandela8]

Thing is, I often am right, I pointed out Zin's flaws months before others started spotting them for example, now everyone's waking up to them except all the bloggers etc who tied their colours to his mast and are now having to dig themselevs out by saying he's 'dropped off recently' etc

Yes let's wait until Sunday but there's no way something hasn't transpired between Arteta and Trossard and yes that video does pretty much tell us that

I can Trump that.

About 20 years ago or summin I told you on all here that Adebayor was a fuckin cunt, whilst you all dangled from his nutsack.


:)

[HCZ_Reborn]

I can Trump that.

About 20 years ago or summin I told you on all here that Adebayor was a fuckin cunt, whilst you all dangled from his nutsack.


:)


Twenty years ago this place didn’t exist yet, much like your boy toy

Plus Adebayor being a cunt is again not really showing much in the way of footballing or human analysis