Match Reaction vs Swansea

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What more do you expect from someone that defends wenger and still thinks he's the right man for the job

Luckily some of us see sense.


t's an excellent approach that clearly works

I apologise, i do often forget that i'm not meant to take you seriously

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ferguson went to war with the main shareholder of Man Utd over a damn racehorse and didn't lose his job! How's that for unchecked power? I'm sure if he wanted to be more hands on like Wenger he could, but the key to good leadership is delegation.

As for our club being one of the worst run, you're smoking. You truly have lost the plot on that one. We spend within our means, make a profit, make a killing at the gates, London based, a 60 seat stadium...there is no way this would be possible if we didn't have the right people to see this through, Wenger included. You are smoking, my friend.

The dispute between Ferguson and John Magnier was one outside of the club, it was Magnier who decided to up the ante by upping his shares in the club and putting the squeeze on Ferguson. Ultimately Ferguson was forced to back down by the club in any event, and settle out of court.

The people responsible for the long term strategy of the club including the 60k stadium are the people i mentioned who aren't any longer with the club....the people who occupy the positions at the top now are largely following the blueprint of their predecessors.

Gazidis did well with the puma deal, and i have specculated that he may be trying at least to delegate some power away from Wenger but it scarcely seems enough

And as i've stated if the same club hierarchy was still in place, Wenger would not have been able to consolidate all this footballing authority for himself

I think the club was well run up until 2007, but after that a lot of people left in a short space of time and have not been adequately replaced leaving a clear disconnect between the board and the football aspect of the club

[Power n Glory]

Inside, outside, it doesn't matter. Even if they wanted to get rid of Fergie they couldn't because their share prices would plummet and who knows where Utd would be today. Fergie turned the fans and his players against the shareholders making it a football matter. That's an example of a manager with serious power. Much like Wenger, our board have to be strategic about how he's handled.

Also, you need to define unchecked power. In what area does he have this power?

And, we're not following the blueprint of the old Board days otherwise Ivan wouldn't have appointed a new fitness coach and youth coaches on his own. We wouldn't have the new sponsorship deals. Those old Board members were out of date and we needed a revamp. Which is what we need on the management side.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Inside, outside, it doesn't matter. Even if they wanted to get rid of Fergie they couldn't because their share prices would plummet and who knows where Utd would be today. Fergie turned the fans and his players against the shareholders making it a football matter. That's an example of a manager with serious power. Much like Wenger, our board have to be strategic about how he's handled.

Also, you need to define unchecked power. In what area does he have this power?

And, we're not following the blueprint of the old Board days otherwise Ivan wouldn't have appointed a new fitness coach and youth coaches on his own. We wouldn't have the new sponsorship deals. Those old Board members were out of date and we needed a revamp. Which is what we need on the management side.

Again with Gazidis the fitness and youth coach are examples of where he is trying to take control from Wenger from the football aspects, the fact that he's done this clearly shows he does not have faith with Wenger's current staff but at the same time has given him unequivocal backing.

Again as i say the board members you call out of date were responsible for taking us from Highbury to the Emirates and putting a structure in place where we would not spend above our means.

[Power n Glory]

Again with Gazidis the fitness and youth coach are examples of where he is trying to take control from Wenger from the football aspects, the fact that he's done this clearly shows he does not have faith with Wenger's current staff but at the same time has given him unequivocal backing.

Again as i say the board members you call out of date were responsible for taking us from Highbury to the Emirates and putting a structure in place where we would not spend above our means.

They're applauded for that but that doesn't mean they weren't out of date. Same applies to Wenger. These are also the same people that handed Wenger so much power so I really don't get where you coming from with that point. If we're seeing the new regime trying to move revamp us now we're in a new era, how can you fault them, especially when they didn't hand the power to Wenger in the first place?

It's also worth reading what Ian Wright has to say on the Bould situation. If you've read Le Grove today you've heard about the coaching staff not being happy with Wenger and Wright has come out to say Bould is being ignored and Wenger didn't take his advice. Make of that what you will.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Again that only feeds back to what i'm saying, the coaching staff are not happy with Wenger and yet the board in their ivory tower thumb their noses at them and say "Arsene is the man for us"

And i'm sorry there wouldn't have been this utter disconnect and indifference with the people you claim as being out of date...these were the people who gave Rioch the push for his perceived lack of ambition.

The point is it wasn't until Edelman and Dein left the club that Wenger started taking up responsibilities at the club previously handled by both of the.

[Power n Glory]

Again that only feeds back to what i'm saying, the coaching staff are not happy with Wenger and yet the board in their ivory tower thumb their noses at them and say "Arsene is the man for us"

And i'm sorry there wouldn't have been this utter disconnect and indifference with the people you claim as being out of date...these were the people who gave Rioch the push for his perceived lack of ambition.

You're talking yourself in circles. Didn't they also give Wenger too much power and unchecked which is what your arguing against?

This stuff with the coaching staff has only just broke today? What do you expect the Board to do? Tell Wenger how to do his job? Sack Wenger today? Something you clearly have said shouldn't happen in other discussions. If you suspect responsibility is being wrestled back from Wenger then what is your beef? We don't know what conditions were placed on Wenger with this new contract and we have no idea what's going on in the background regarding moves for a new manager. So you've got no facts about what's going on behind closed doors. We don't know how he's being manager up there and the only indication comes from the hiring and firing process. What's said behind closed doors will remain that way. Every board gives a manager the vote of confidence before giving them the boot so we just won't know until he's gone.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

i'm saying wenger got the unchecked power when they left

the news was leaked today about the coaching staff being unhappy, it's hardly likely to be something that has recently happened....these members of staff they are thinking of themselves and their jobs so they aren't just going to leave but the likelihood is they've been unhappy for some time and the board has known about it for quite some time.

My point is that when an employee consistently underperforms questions must be asked of those who employed him (and yes that does include the current board who offered him a contract extension). I understand what you say about a sense of continuity and stability, but giving someone a three year contract gives only the impression that your completely satisfied with everything this manager has done and we can happily turn our backs and let him get on with it.
Would it not have been more prudent to offer a year extension and assessed his performance at the end of every season to determine whether he merits a new contract, mirroring Wenger's policy towards players at the twilight of their careers.

If there are more concrete attempts to wrest power back from Wenger between now and 2017 then i will retract my comments, similarly if he does finish 4th this season and they terminate his contract then also i will retract my comments.

However the AGM's give the distinct impression of a board that does not seem to realise or care that it's a football club it's in control of.

[Power n Glory]

When Dein left he had more power but the old board was still there. Stan, Ivan, Fox and Chip came much later.

As for the unhappy staff, what do you propose the Board do about it?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

When Dein left he had more power but the old board was still there. Stan, Ivan, Fox and Chip came much later.

As for the unhappy staff, what do you propose the Board do about it?

If they've known about it for years that the guy is a control freak who cannot delegate (which i suspect they have) perhaps it would have been prudent not to have given the guy a three year contract and making it abundantly clear they were happy with everything he was doing.

Dein, Edelman and Friar all left within a year of each other....Fiszman remained in name but was battling against ilness, Wenger grabbed power in the vaccum left by these individuals.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And yes there is a difference between being a control freak and a dictator

First hand i actually find it very hard to delegate responsibility to other people at work, because what I do and the processes i go through to do it sometimes only can be understood in an explanatory sense by myself.

Of course the difference between myself and Wenger, is that i chose to get a third party involved to act as intermediary so people weren't getting confused at what i was asking them to do.

Speaking of work, i need to go to sleep now in order that i can perform said job tomorrow morning....it's been fun disagreeing with you :-)

[Power n Glory]

If they've known about it for years that the guy is a control freak who cannot delegate (which i suspect they have) perhaps it would have been prudent not to have given the guy a three year contract and making it abundantly clear they were happy with everything he was doing.

Dein, Edelman and Friar all left within a year of each other....Fiszman remained in name but was battling against ilness, Wenger grabbed power in the vaccum left by these individuals.

One, what power did Wenger grab in that vacuum that went beyond the technical side of football?

Second, you don't know the conditions placed on Wenger with that new deal as he certainly took a long time to sign it.

Yes, we'll leave this one. All be made clear soon enough. Wenger's time is up.

[Niall_Quinn]

I like Chambers, and I think his signing was a shrewd investment from Wenger in the summer.

But he’s not quick, and the defender was left exposed, alone, dealing with a winger who was having a brilliant game and rinsing his man for pace every time he got the ball.
Mathieu Flamini didn’t go across to help out, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain preferred to go forward, the speed demon Hector Bellerin stayed on the bench. What was the Arsenal manager actually doing?

Wenger’s grasp of the problems at Arsenal, which have led to the team losing a three-goal lead at home to Anderlecht, and then losing a game they were winning at Swansea, is virtually non-existent.

To back this up let me give you a selection of quotes from Wenger which were posted on the official Arsenal website after the Swansea defeat...
Wenger: 'We were quite solid defensively and didn’t look in the need to change.'

So he couldn’t see how exposed Chambers was?

Wenger: 'I think he (Flamini) had a decent game.' And then on Alexis Sanchez: 'He didn’t have the best game today.'

After those answers, do you trust his judgment of a player’s performance?

Wenger: 'We were struggling a bit on the right side but I have no experienced players on the bench. It was unfortunate. I don’t think there was a need to change.'

There was clearly a need to change. But bringing on Yaya Sanogo for Chambers in the final minute was laughable. And why were there no experienced players on the bench?

Because Wenger’s squad management and transfer policy are so excruciatingly pathetic. Letting Thomas Vermaelen go was bad, failing to replace him was shocking.

Wenger: 'The free kick is difficult to predict he would score from there. It’s not like we gave a great goal chance away. I feel the free-kick was a bit harsh.'

It was a free kick 25 yards out! Why is it difficult to predict Gylfi Sigurdsson could score from there? This is a player who has scored free kicks from that distance for club and country in the past (for Iceland away to Slovenia last year, for Swansea at Wigan in March 2012, for Reading against Swansea and at Ipswich).

So how come Wenger wasn’t aware? Given Sigurdsson’s quality, a free kick conceded 25 yards from goal was obviously a 'great goal chance'. And was it harsh? Kieran Gibbs was guilty of sliding in, nowhere near the ball, and bringing down a player as Swansea broke away.

And when asked why Chelsea have made such a good start, Wenger’s reply was: 'There is no obvious reason.'

The reasons are clear: Jose Mourinho identifying Chelsea’s weaknesses and solving them with two signings, one of whom was a player Arsenal could have signed but didn’t, allowing the Blues to take him.

The answers Wenger gives could possibly be twisted by his more deluded supporters into some sort of desperate attempt to protect his players.

The Arsenal manager needed to protect his teenage right back on Sunday, but failed to do so.

The irony is that despite the game being played in front of him, Wenger does not see it. Old habits die hard, I suppose.

He used to be brilliant. But he isn’t any more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2829638/Calum-Chambers-relieved-international-duty.html


It's a sad day - Durham is right :upset:

How can this have happened?

[Globalgunner]

It's a sad day - Durham is right :upset:

How can this have happened?

Your`e partly to blame NQ, along with your boy Robin, Letters. We all told you the old fuddy duddy was batshit Joker crazy. This time last year you wouldn't hear of it. I'm sending the bill for several wrecked TVs and furniture in my house straight to your door.

Only God can help us now.....i'm contemplating going back to Church,

[Power n Glory]

It's a sad day - Durham is right :upset:

How can this have happened?

Words correlate with action. If he had seen a problem he'd have changed things. He's lost.

[Niall_Quinn]

Your`e partly to blame NQ, along with your boy Robin, Letters. We all told you the old fuddy duddy was batshit Joker crazy. This time last year you wouldn't hear of it. I'm sending the bill for several wrecked TVs and furniture in my house straight to your door.

Only God can help us now.....i'm contemplating going back to Church,

No, you're missing the point. Forget Wenger and Arsenal, that's small potatoes. Focus on the main issue. How the fuck has Durham got something right? What's happening?

[Dein-machine]

No, you're missing the point. Forget Wenger and Arsenal, that's small potatoes. Focus on the main issue. How the fuck has Durham got something right? What's happening?

Durham could say he's been right on Wenger for quite a while whilst the reality has taken you & a few others quite a while to comprehend.

[Seymour Butts]

Precisely I think both Chambers and Jenkinson are good enough for Arsenal

I think if Chambers is played at centre back and we buy one more centre back we'd have a well balanced defence.

Well apart from Monreal, he is a poor left back let alone centre back

Had we not let Jenkinson go I think we would have been ok with Chambers at RB and Chambers at CB - certainly a lot more solid than we are at the moment that's for sure

[Seymour Butts]

Had we not let Jenkinson go I think we would have been ok with Chambers at RB and Chambers at CB - certainly a lot more solid than we are at the moment that's for sure

Jenkinson at RB I meant - Chambers has potential but not enough potential to cover both positions at the same time!:doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Durham could say he's been right on Wenger for quite a while whilst the reality has taken you & a few others quite a while to comprehend.

Though in reality there's nobody here who hasn't highlighted Wenger's tactical weaknesses. It's all the other stuff that some of the fans won't get on board with. There's a difference between a problem and a catastrophe.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Had we not let Jenkinson go I think we would have been ok with Chambers at RB and Chambers at CB - certainly a lot more solid than we are at the moment that's for sure

Well we'd definitely be better off

Still would need another centre back

[fakeyank]

Still would need another centre back

And a new manager..

[Dein-machine]

Though in reality there's nobody here who hasn't highlighted Wenger's tactical weaknesses. It's all the other stuff that some of the fans won't get on board with. There's a difference between a problem and a catastrophe.

But if you leave a problem for too long it can turn into a catastrophe.
A catastrophe for us is not the same as other teams. Other teams would love to challenge for Champions league places every year, we see it as normal. Therefore falling short of this expectation, the effect on us financially & the ability to attract quality players could be viewed as a catastrophe for us but not others.
You said in an another post that we will pub our way to 4th this year, this has been my thoughts over recent years & to be honest to thoughts of most on GW but this year I am very concerned that Wengers mistakes are becoming too frequent & that he may even lose the confidence of his players soon.
All this could = Catastrophe. Unless ofcourse it ended with him leaving.

[Power n Glory]

I'm at a point where I don't want him to spend a penny more on this team. I don't care about the CB crisis, I think the guy will waste our resources.

We're looking at a loss on Ozil if he doesn't pick up his form, we've blown money on Podolski, Rosicky and Campbell. What's the point in paying these guys wages if they're not even used to come off the bench.

Yes, the longer he stays in charge we're looking at a catastrophe. It's only matter of time before we're looking at another mass exodus because the players have no faith in him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm at a point where I don't want him to spend a penny more on this team. I don't care about the CB crisis, I think the guy will waste our resources.

We're looking at a loss on Ozil if he doesn't pick up his form, we've blown money on Podolski, Rosicky and Campbell. What's the point in paying these guys wages if they're not even used to come off the bench.

Yes, the longer he stays in charge we're looking at a catastrophe. It's only matter of time before we're looking at another mass exodus because the players have no faith in him.

If we are looking purely at this summer, would you say that any of the players we bought were terrible signings?

[fakeyank]

I'm at a point where I don't want him to spend a penny more on this team. I don't care about the CB crisis, I think the guy will waste our resources.

We're looking at a loss on Ozil if he doesn't pick up his form, we've blown money on Podolski, Rosicky and Campbell. What's the point in paying these guys wages if they're not even used to come off the bench.

Yes, the longer he stays in charge we're looking at a catastrophe. It's only matter of time before we're looking at another mass exodus because the players have no faith in him.

:gp:

[Dein-machine]

If we are looking purely at this summer, would you say that any of the players we bought were terrible signings?

I view Chambers & Debuachy as replacements not signings but no better than Tommy & Sagna. This leaves Welbeck who is an average striker at best & Sanchez who has been superb.
Its not just the qualit, its the quantity we have to worry about. How on Gods earth did he think Merts & Kos with a rookie like Chambers were good enough CB cover for a whole season, especially as Chambers was untried & with our injury record.

[Power n Glory]

If we are looking purely at this summer, would you say that any of the players we bought were terrible signings?

It's not about the quality, it's the Wenger effect that worries me. He's crocked two already (Ospina, Debuchy), a young promising player will probably lose his confidence (Chambers), the superstar that carries us will be in the shop window and off in a year or two (Sanchez). Which leaves us with the very average. (Welbeck).

Seen it all before in past seasons and I'd be surprised to see something different from this current crop. Look how quickly Gervinho was bought and sold and how quickly things have tanked for Podolski. I can see the same fate for Ozil and maybe a few others if he doesn't sort his shit out. But the difference is, we'll be taking a serious hit on our finances, which is why I don't want him spending anymore.

[Niall_Quinn]

If we are looking purely at this summer, would you say that any of the players we bought were terrible signings?

Alexis, Debuchy, Chambers, Welbeck, Ospina. Outstanding. Complaint is he didn't go further. I believe we almost landed Khedira but his outrageous wage demands scuppered that deal, and it's reported we were close to signing Hummels but that has been delayed until January. So we didn't land a 100% record in pursuit of our targets. The idea put about by some that Alexis was an unnecessary signing is ludicrous. Same as Ozil. If you get the chance to bring in quality of that level then of course you take it. Previously people were moaning we weren't spending money, then when we spend money they are moaning we didn't buy the right players. Hard to win when the goal is to criticise in all events. If he finishes off the transfer dealings for the year by bringing in the last two pieces then 2014/15 has been a stand out transfer period. But of course he would still have to fit all the pieces together and come up with a working plan. It's not spending the money that's the problem. It's what happens after he spends. People saying we should carry on with the holes in the squad simply to prevent Wenger spending are not thinking about this in a pro-Arsenal way, instead it's an anti-Wenger agenda.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's not about the quality, it's the Wenger effect that worries me. He's crocked two already (Ospina, Debuchy), a young promising player will probably lose his confidence (Chambers), the superstar that carries us will be in the shop window and off in a year or two (Sanchez). Which leaves us with the very average. (Welbeck).

Seen it all before in past seasons and I'd be surprised to see something different from this current crop. Look how quickly Gervinho was bought and sold and how quickly things have tanked for Podolski. I can see the same fate for Ozil and maybe a few others if he doesn't sort his shit out. But the difference is, we'll be taking a serious hit on our finances, which is why I don't want him spending anymore.

Hmmm I think not bringing any new players in for two and a half years would be catastrophic

[Power n Glory]

Hmmm I think not bringing any new players in for two and a half years would be catastrophic

I want him gone by the end of the season.

[Niall_Quinn]

I want him gone by the end of the season.

That would mean going from January to season end with a shortage in defence and a continuing reliance on Flamini. So the team would struggle. Why would any fan want that?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That would mean going from January to season end with a shortage in defence and a continuing reliance on Flamini. So the team would struggle. Why would any fan want that?

Indeed, I sometimes think the animus against Wenger is so strong that some people wish the club to fail so badly in order for the board to sack him. Where as I would rather he went, but want the club and the team in a good place for his successor.

[Power n Glory]

Indeed, I sometimes think the animus against Wenger is so strong that some people wish the club to fail so badly in order for the board to sack him. Where as I would rather he went, but want the club and the team in a good place for his successor.

Words of wisdom. I'm pretty sure you'll be the first in line to blame the Board when the next manager is left without a pot to piss in because we have disgruntled crocks on the wage bill or sold off our best assets.

[Power n Glory]

That would mean going from January to season end with a shortage in defence and a continuing reliance on Flamini. So the team would struggle. Why would any fan want that?

Yes, the last January window was such a success, I can't wait to see what they pull off this year? Perhaps a another DM with a broken back? Or maybe a wheelchair bound CB?

Spending won't help our tactics and that needs to be addressed before we decide to panic buy.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Words of wisdom. I'm pretty sure you'll be the first in line to blame the Board when the next manager is left without a pot to piss in because we have disgruntled crocks on the wage bill or sold off our best assets.

Your argument is predicated on wanting him gone at the end of the season (to be honest, would be nice to think he would) therefore would it not be sensible to bring in a defender to bolster the ranks. It's highly unlikely even Wenger can ruin a centre back in four months.

Unless your saying of course that Debuchy and Chambers have already been ruined beyond repair

[Power n Glory]

Yes, give a well known alcoholic the company credit card whilst at the Christmas party. Brilliant.

[Dein-machine]

Your argument is predicated on wanting him gone at the end of the season (to be honest, would be nice to think he would) therefore would it not be sensible to bring in a defender to bolster the ranks. It's highly unlikely even Wenger can ruin a centre back in four months.

Unless your saying of course that Debuchy and Chambers have already been ruined beyond repair

I think Wenger could ruin anyone in 4 months - if he was a sex therapist he could even turn me into a terrible shagger

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But again you agree that the signings he has made haven't been poor, they have just become poor with poor training and poor tactical deployment (Wengeritis I call it)

My point is that we need numbers at the back, that should secure top four and leaves a good platform when in our world of wishful thinking Wenger sods off in May.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think Wenger could ruin anyone in 4 months - if he was a sex therapist he could even turn me into a terrible shagger

I'm sure he wouldn't even have to work at it

[Dein-machine]

I'm sure he wouldn't even have to work at it

:lol: My missus would agree

[Dein-machine]

But again you agree that the signings he has made haven't been poor, they have just become poor with poor training and poor tactical deployment (Wengeritis I call it)

My point is that we need numbers at the back, that should secure top four and leaves a good platform when in our world of wishful thinking Wenger sods off in May.

Yes, defensive reinforcements in Jan would help to secure top 4 but I worry about injury to Sanchez. Unless Theo comes back twice as good as before I am also concerned with our goal scoring potential, especially as Rambo has decided to go back to being Wimpo.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes, defensive reinforcements in Jan would help to secure top 4 but I worry about injury to Sanchez. Unless Theo comes back twice as good as before I am also concerned with our goal scoring potential, especially as Rambo has decided to go back to being Wimpo.

Yep legitimate concern, he's being ridiculously over used....19 games in all competitions and he has started all but two of them?

[Power n Glory]

The cycle will continue. We'll pick up injuries in the midfield or up front and find ourselves needing to buy in those areas whilst agreeing to loan or sell Campbell, Coquelin Pod and Rosicky.
This is a tactical issue. We won't find the required quality we need in January and I'm sure Wenger will find a way to rush back Kos just to break him even more.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The cycle will continue. We'll pick up injuries in the midfield or up front and find ourselves needing to buy in those areas whilst agreeing to loan or sell Campbell, Coquelin Pod and Rosicky.
This is a tactical issue. We won't find the required quality we need in January and I'm sure Wenger will find a way to rush back Kos just to break him even more.

Which seems to me to be bemoaning Wenger's lack of action in the transfer market rather than an argument for him not to spend money on defenders

Whether we like it or not he is here until 2017, so for me the only thing we can hope for is for him to spend and in the right areas.

Not to say it will necessarily happen, but all we have for the next 30 months is wishful thinking.

[Power n Glory]

Which seems to me to be bemoaning Wenger's lack of action in the transfer market rather than an argument for him not to spend money on defenders

Whether we like it or not he is here until 2017, so for me the only thing we can hope for is for him to spend and in the right areas.

Not to say it will necessarily happen, but all we have for the next 30 months is wishful thinking.

Nope, that's me pointing out the fact that we've been here before and spending in one area won't solve our problems if Wenger continues to blame 'fatigue' for our losses but still hammer away with the same starting eleven.

We'll only pick up more injuries in others areas whilst he neglects the bench options and will probably end up selling a few in the process. Just saying we need to think before adding another layer of shit to this already massive steaming pile. We all know the trouble this club has with January signings and if Wenger is right about the sort of quality on the market, we're in big trouble anyway.

[Power n Glory]

Which seems to me to be bemoaning Wenger's lack of action in the transfer market rather than an argument for him not to spend money on defenders

Whether we like it or not he is here until 2017, so for me the only thing we can hope for is for him to spend and in the right areas.

Not to say it will necessarily happen, but all we have for the next 30 months is wishful thinking.

Also, if we're talking 'wishful thinking' and being hopeful, I don't hope he spends in the right areas. That ship sailed already and he's proven time and time again that he's incapable of spending in the right areas. My hope is he walks or gets sacked!

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, the last January window was such a success, I can't wait to see what they pull off this year? Perhaps a another DM with a broken back? Or maybe a wheelchair bound CB?

Spending won't help our tactics and that needs to be addressed before we decide to panic buy.

Well that's just a stream of speculation that skirts all around the issue without addressing it. What we did last year is irrelevant in terms of the next window which has yet to open. Nobody claimed spending would help the tactics, in fact I said it's not the spending that's the issue, it's the tactics. Also the assumption we'll panic buy is just that, an assumption. The point remains, we need to strengthen in key areas and if some fans don't want to see that happen and would prefer the season slides just so Wenger is discredited then that's their business. But I doubt it's the hope for most fans.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I think Wenger could ruin anyone in 4 months - if he was a sex therapist he could even turn me into a terrible shagger

:lol:

[Power n Glory]

Well that's just a stream of speculation that skirts all around the issue without addressing it. What we did last year is irrelevant in terms of the next window which has yet to open. Nobody claimed spending would help the tactics, in fact I said it's not the spending that's the issue, it's the tactics. Also the assumption we'll panic buy is just that, an assumption. The point remains, we need to strengthen in key areas and if some fans don't want to see that happen and would prefer the season slides just so Wenger is discredited then that's their business. But I doubt it's the hope for most fans.

Is it not a fact that we signed a player with a back injury last January? That's not speculation.

Another fact, last January we needed cover for CB and a striker because our squad was wafer thin even then. We signed neither. The one area we had plenty of cover was central midfield and somehow, Wenger managed to burn out and crock so many players, the one area we had talent in abundance was down to the bare bones. As a result, any plan of signing a striker or defensive cover had to take a back burner.

See the pattern this season? If Wenger doesn't start using his subs more effectively and continues to burn out the starting 11, we'll have a injury crisis in some other area. That's not skirting over the issue. That's the heart of it.

Another fact, he's bought Chambers whose best performances have come at CB and where he's mostly played for us, but he has Monreal, a left back that's like 5,8' and never once played at CB playing CB for us. :doh: Now if he buys in January, not only am I worried that he'll spend poorly, I'm worried he won't even play the player in the right position.

Now, if we can someone rectify all our problems in January, I'm all for it. But it's highly unlikely because of all of the above. He's wasting our resources. We're not going to win the league, something he's conceded already and most fans would agree with him. Do we really care about CL football and are we in serious danger of losing our spot? Wenger is a risk and we need to watch the books so he doesn't leave the next manager without a pot to piss in.

[selassie]

Also, if we're talking 'wishful thinking' and being hopeful, I don't hope he spends in the right areas. That ship sailed already and he's proven time and time again that he's incapable of spending in the right areas. My hope is he walks or gets sacked!

It's my hope too, I have given up with Wenger, this summer was pretty much his last chance for me and that was only because he won the fa cup. He failed miserably in the summer. I wouldn't be against him leaving right now, seriously.

I get the impression Wenger doesn't view the issues or lack of quality in the Defence/Defensive area of the team as a problem, or not a big enough problem to address it sufficiently by working on tactics and organisation and adding REAL quality to those areas.

It will be very much make do and mend this January given some of the names we have been linked with....I can just see him loaning in a back up option and hoping for the best.