Can we win the Premier League again under Wenger ?

[dostoy]

I started this thread last July and if anything, it is more true than it was then.

We have no chance at all of winning either of the big two competitions with Wenger in charge.

I would love a new manager, who realistically would be Pellegrini, because all the other top managers are spoken for.

Things would change then, maybe for the worse, but probably for the better, but things would change for certain, with Wenger everything is so predictable.

[Kano]

Looks like another season of no Arsenal games for yourself then.

[selassie]

We all know the answer to this thread right? Locky locky lock :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

We didn't know the answer in July but we certainly do now.

[AFC Leveller]

When we last won the league in 2004, our last game of the season was a 2-1 at home against leicester, who were relegated that season. Who would have imagined Leicester would come up again and win the league before Arsenal? LOL

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They haven't won it yet, the apalling thing is we hope they do.

[Niall_Quinn]

We didn't know the answer in July but we certainly do now.

Deep down we did know the answer though, didn't we. Just like next season. Shit will happen that gives us cause for hope, but the outcome is already written.

[GP]

Yes.

edit: soz I thought the question was is Wenger a froggy cunt.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I used to resolutely think no ....... that the old man was too stubborn, obstinate, fixed in his ways to adapt his methods to modern football but seeing how we're gradually making the necessary changes that we've needed for ages .... i.e. more tactical flexibility, actually analysing opponents, looking into our injury situation etc etc .... gives me hope that we can.

Sigh ......... moral of the story: never have any hope.

[Letters]

I think it depends how shaky. Last season was a fiasco at the start. We were something like 15 points behind after 12 games, we were out of it before we started.
This year we have to stay in touch, if we do then given our run in I think we have a chance.

Letters :pal:


<_<

[Niall_Quinn]

I think we do have enough quality to match them, in most cases. Obviously we have an issue in a couple of key areas and these will certainly come home to roost as they season develops. But there's enough quality and cover elsewhere to give anyone a run for their money.

But as you say, the manager. A massive handicap we have to carry into every game. Over 38 games it's unlikely an impediment that significant can be overcome on enough occasions to get the points required to win a title. All the idiot had to do was dig in that cash mountain and bring in another couple of players, but as the last 10 years show Wenger knows best.

Moral of the story.

Wenger Out.

[Gooner23]

I disagree that the squad isn't good enough. 1 or 2 more additons would be nice but not essential. Bit harsh to say he hates to spend money as well given how much we've spunked in last couple of years.

However to answer your question I don't think we'll win it again under Wenger as for me his tactics / approach will let us down when it comes to crunch time. Hoping to put up more of a fight this season though.

I'm a twat.

[Chippy]

I am not just talking this season I am talking any season.

The man just hates to spend money and cannot see what most people can plainly see.

The thing that concerns me the most and I hate to say it but what if Coquelin gets a 3 month injury in September or whenever, Flamini or Arteta are not good enough to fill in for that length of time, we need somebody much better.

I think we might need a right winger as well because that is not Ramseys position and the Ox and Theo are injury prone.

There is also Mertersacker in defence which is worrying.

I am sure there are other things as well, like playing under real pressure and easing off when we are two nil up which we seem to do.

I hate to say this but at the moment we have no chance whatsoever of winning the Premier League or the Champions League anytime soon.

I wonder sometimes if Wenger really wants to win but then I'm sure I am wrong to think that.

It is incredibly frustrating.
Fuck! I have just read this post from pre season 2015 and it is spot on, even the Coquelin injury! Lol!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsene Wenger has told Sky Sports Arsenal feel "guilty" over their failed Premier League title challenge.

The Gunners head to relegation-threatened Sunderland on Super Sunday hoping to climb back above Manchester City into third place as the pressure to seal a top-four spot increases.

Wenger admits his side have not been "clinical enough" to challenge for a first league crown since 2004, but reckons they have faced some unfair criticism during a season that has seen Leicester emerge as shock potential champions.

From fan scrutiny and the games he feels were turning points in the season to how he thinks the Premier League is changing, Wenger lifts the lid to reporter Geoff Shreeves...

SHREEVES: What do you make of the top-four race and where you sit in it?

WENGER: "It's very simple. We all feel guilty and we are all looked at like it's a shame we are not winning the league because Leicester are at the top.

"But on the other hand, you have to say Leicester have not stolen the points. They have earned them, they have quality. If you look at the PFA Team of the Year, they have many players in there, so they are good players.

"I am convinced that all the teams today look at themselves and think 'how could that happen?', but when you win so many times 1-0 like Leicester have done, you see they have been absolutely efficient.

"It is true that technically many teams in the league are better, but many teams have had more problems. Leicester have had no injuries, many teams have had more competitions. Leicester went out of the FA Cup quite early, but you have to give them credit when everybody expected them to drop they didn't and when they had to turn up they did.

"It will be interesting psychologically to study Leicester because it's a very interesting case. There is a theory that says to go to the absolute utmost of your talent you need to suffer in life. When you look at the Leicester team, not one career of all these players was obvious, like starting on the red carpet at 18 years of age in the Champions League.

"Many of the players have been rejected before… it is an interesting case. N'Golo Kante, nobody wanted him in France for a while. That is a good explanation for his character.

"These players had a dream that was not easy to obtain, but when they are in a position to reach it, they are ready for the fight. The lesson of the season is Leicester. Maybe they are not the most prestigious in quality of the passing, but they found a way to be efficient and have shown mental qualities that are absolutely top."

SHREEVES: Are you saying Leicester were hungrier than anyone else, a criticism of your team and everybody else's teams?

WENGER: "That is the difficulty of being honest in the media today. As soon as you come up with a quality it shows that you don't have that quality. They were hungry and efficient. My team is hungry also, but we have to deal with many problems and many competitions as well.

"When you play on Wednesday in Barcelona and then Saturday morning, you go to Crystal Palace or Everton, it changes things. Next year, I predict that Leicester will have more problems.

"They have found a good balance, hungry players who have not had obvious careers. We are accused the most, but we beat them twice. So we should be less accused than others for not having beaten them.

"They go to Man City, Tottenham, Man United, Liverpool and have only lost three games. At the end of the day, you have to say well done. Sport is about performance and when the team performs, you have to be big enough and say well done and respect it and respect Claudio Ranieri for what he has done."

On Leicester's style of play, having the least possession and passing accuracy…

WENGER: "You cannot last like that. If they win a title like that, you have to say well done and respect. But in the Champions League, if they don't touch the ball, it will be difficult on Saturday. When you run after the ball on Wednesday against Barcelona and then turn up on Saturday away from home, it becomes more difficult.

"They will have to adapt, but I am not intelligent enough to see what will happen to them. I am just big enough to say well done to them."

SHREEVES: What did for you and your team was the run of results in March?

WENGER: "There were two turning games - Man United and Swansea. At the end of the day, we had many injuries and it was the first time where we could not do a lot about it.

"We didn't have Welbeck, Wilshere, Cazorla, all traumatic injuries, not muscular. The positive thing is we discovered players like Elneny and Iwobi. But we were not clinical enough.

"The quality of our game collectively for most of the season was good and in March and April, but we didn't get the points we needed and we were in a position where we had to win every game so it makes it more difficult.

"Then the coincidence of fixtures. Now we play Sunderland, and we could have played a Sunderland on holiday with nothing to go for, in March and April that has a big influence. I have seen games recently where teams didn't turn up. That has changed a bit in the Premier League as well."

SHREEVES: In the Premier League, is the game in terms of effective football, changing?

WENGER: "Yes. The physical levels of teams has gone up and tactical knowledge of defending has gone up. Players who do not contribute to team work are kicked out everywhere.

"Then you go two ways: you say 'look that doesn't work any more so we have to change our style, and I wish you good luck when you kick the ball anywhere after people have seen good football for 10-15 years', or you say 'we have analysed well where we are not efficient enough and we do better with the style we play'.

"We have to go that way. Our passing has to be quicker, our movement has to be sharper and our efficiency in the final third has to be better. We don't have anybody with 20 goals in the league, so that is a handicap."

SHREEVES: Have you ever known a more downbeat atmosphere at the Emirates than against West Brom?

WENGER: "You want your fans to be enthusiastic, and we are not playing to avoid relegation. Ideally, you want fans to be happy and I think they can be very proud of a lot at this club. We want them to be behind the team, to be proud of the club and the values and consistent achievement of the club. It is not enough and we can understand that, but that doesn't stop us from performing. The top level of sport is to master all situations."

SHREEVES: What about the challenge of facing Sunderland?

WENGER: "I think Sam Allardyce has found a settled team that he plays in every game and he has made a decision that it's them or nothing. He knows his team, they know how to behave. The psychological impact of going down or not motivates the players and puts more pressure on this game - on us and them.

"Both teams are under pressure so the intensity is huge and the psychological impact of the result is huge. Both teams have to deal with that. We expect a very intense game, fighting for survival, players are more ready to give everything.

"I watched them recently, they played good football, they have a good midfield and good variety and Jermain Defoe can score goals form nothing."

www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10254525/arsene-wenger-talks-arsenal-guilt-leicester-success-criticism-and-injuries-in-sky-sports-exclusive

He turns pundit but does throw in a few excuses for good measure.

Saying this: "You want your fans to be enthusiastic, and we are not playing to avoid relegation." is fecking daft though.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The reason Arsene Wenger in my view can't win the premier league title again is that he will always hold back, whether it be in the transfer market or making changes to the setup on the pitch. Talks about his players playing with the handbrake on, well I wonder where they learnt that from.

Tactically there will always be stronger managers but he's not an ignoramous, he's just entrenched in his own methods. You get the impression you are pulling teeth trying to get any kind of concession out of him to change things up.
Will he be agressive or argumentative about it, absolutely not I don't think people fall out with Wenger because he isn't confrontational he will probably tell you he respects your opinion and then totally ignore it.

[Marc Overmars]

A bit stupid to mention injuries. We had no excuses after the squad United had that day. As for Swansea, we shouldn't really need a full compliment of players to beat them at home.

[Özim]

His excuses are a joke frankly, yes sure Leicester didn't have CL football but then they don't have a big squad like us and the whole reason we have this is to be able to cope with the extra games. As for the injuries, again no sympathy there as every single season he insists on relying on players who are proven crocks, players who spend a lot of time omn the treatment table, that's his fault.

As for the hunger of the players, Leicester players are hungry because they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, they had to earn their stripes. We just hand kids big money before they've even played and proved their worth, it's little wonder they lack hunger and desire, they have it all before they've kicked a ball in anger. Of course he says we have hunger but were affected by other issues and more games.

He also reckons we've played good football for the last 10-15 years, he's clearly not been watching, in more recent times the football has been awful, repetitive, predictable and slow, there's nothing "good" about it, it was very good pre 2005 but since then it's been going downhill, very few enjoy our football but he still thinks it's the muts nuts, he just doesn't listen to anyone.

He also mentions the coincidence of the fixtures and this game being difficult because Sunderland have a lot to play for and we could have played them when they had nothing to play for, that goes for any team, we played West Brom and Palace with nothing to play for or not totally focussed, it's the same for every team.

Another article full of excuses from Wenger, that's all he does nowadays make excuses, he has none of the answers but all the excuses.

[Munchies]

'Everyone knew about Kante but didn't want him'

:lol:

[Kano]

A bit stupid to mention injuries. We had no excuses after the squad United had that day. As for Swansea, we shouldn't really need a full compliment of players to beat them at home.
One small line in there says it all, where he talks about being honest with the media. Most of that is bullshit above, if he came out and spoke more candidly, he knows he'd be torn to pieces my the media.

It doesn't matter what he says to the press, the truth is there for all of us to see out on the pitch.

[Dicks and chicks]

He should go for not buying a striker in the summer. Giroud is only good for backup.

[Power n Glory]

www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10254525/arsene-wenger-talks-arsenal-guilt-leicester-success-criticism-and-injuries-in-sky-sports-exclusive

He turns pundit but does throw in a few excuses for good measure.

Saying this: "You want your fans to be enthusiastic, and we are not playing to avoid relegation." is fecking daft though.

Some interesting quotes. Plenty of excuses from Wenger. But that's expected. But it's his philosophy on the game and how we should play is what I find interesting.


On Leicester's style of play, having the least possession and passing accuracy…

WENGER: "You cannot last like that. If they win a title like that, you have to say well done and respect. But in the Champions League, if they don't touch the ball, it will be difficult on Saturday. When you run after the ball on Wednesday against Barcelona and then turn up on Saturday away from home, it becomes more difficult.

"They will have to adapt, but I am not intelligent enough to see what will happen to them. I am just big enough to say well done to them."



The quality of our game collectively for most of the season was good and in March and April, but we didn't get the points we needed and we were in a position where we had to win every game so it makes it more difficult.


We have to go that way. Our passing has to be quicker, our movement has to be sharper and our efficiency in the final third has to be better. We don't have anybody with 20 goals in the league, so that is a handicap."

He also said in the video from 11:00 in about teams parking the bus and sitting deep against us when Geoff mentions us scoring from outside the box for the first time this season. We've struggled for 10 years or so with this same tactic and the answer to how to cope with it was presented in our last game, but he goes on a mini rant about teams changing their tactics to be more defensive against us at the Emirates as if it shouldn't be allowed. He doesn't want to change or adapt his style as seen from what he has said earlier and believes we just have to be patient, more efficient in our passing and movement to win these games. But we've been trying that for 10 years or so now. It makes less sense when he talks up speed and movement but persists with Giroud up front who spends most of his time static and wrestling with with defenders, back to goal.

Journalists shouldn't allow him to say 'the quality of our game was good from March to April' without checking him on that statement. What was good about it? If we're not creating quality chances and putting them away it's not good enough. And in all this...where is the talk of our defending? If other teams are defending with more intelligence and getting rid of players that don't pull their weight, why aren't we doing the same? They really need to challenge him more on what he's saying.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think you could argue that we are making plenty of chances even when our slow short passing game is in effect, simply because having of someone like Ozil in our team who can create something from nothing.

I don't think anyone can argue that we created very little in any of the games in February, March and April with the possible exception of the game against Man United which we still scored twice from.

We are one of the least clinical teams out there, it will take more than just buying a proven goalscorer to put that right. It's as much about upping the chances to goal efficiency of our current players as well...and if we cannot do that they need to go.

[Power n Glory]

All stats. We're not creating quality chances. If we were putting players through on goal with a clear shot but missing all of them, fair enough.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I also think that's down to not having a top goalscorer or indeed many of our attacking players in optimum positions.

But at the same time with the goal scoring oportunities consistently being created by Ozil, it's enough for us to be doing far better than what we are.

If for instance we are saying we haven't had a shot on target until the second half where a team who comes to the Emirates and sits deep (which is of course fair enough), but whatever style is played you are going to find it difficult to break down teams.
So for me it's two fold, being efficient in front of goal because you cannot always guarantee you will get those clear goal scoring oportunities and two being better when we don't have the ball....how many times have you seen the likes of Ramsey trundling back when we lose posession.

[pakgunner]

Absolutely no f........g way.

[selassie]

Some interesting quotes. Plenty of excuses from Wenger. But that's expected. But it's his philosophy on the game and how we should play is what I find interesting.








He also said in the video from 11:00 in about teams parking the bus and sitting deep against us when Geoff mentions us scoring from outside the box for the first time this season. We've struggled for 10 years or so with this same tactic and the answer to how to cope with it was presented in our last game, but he goes on a mini rant about teams changing their tactics to be more defensive against us at the Emirates as if it shouldn't be allowed. He doesn't want to change or adapt his style as seen from what he has said earlier and believes we just have to be patient, more efficient in our passing and movement to win these games. But we've been trying that for 10 years or so now. It makes less sense when he talks up speed and movement but persists with Giroud up front who spends most of his time static and wrestling with with defenders, back to goal.

Journalists shouldn't allow him to say 'the quality of our game was good from March to April' without checking him on that statement. What was good about it? If we're not creating quality chances and putting them away it's not good enough. And in all this...where is the talk of our defending? If other teams are defending with more intelligence and getting rid of players that don't pull their weight, why aren't we doing the same? They really need to challenge him more on what he's saying.

:gp:

Wenger has been beating the same drum for a while now regarding teams parking the bus against us. He obviously has a vision of how Football should be played and he's too principled to even adapt the style slightly hence the patient comment. He basically won't have it any other way and seems content failing in this approach in preference to winning if he changed things up a bit.

You came out with a great point about Defence, I personally think he totally neglects the defensive side of the game, it doesn't interest him, it's not "sexy" enough. I don't think we can realistically expect progress if he won't address certain tactics and/or organisation within the team.

Finally, Wenger made an interesting point about Leicester saying that he doesn't believe they can maintain a high level domestically and in Europe if they give away so much possession, that's a fair point, but what makes him believe we as a team can achieve such a high level in both competitions if he neglects certain aspects of our game such as defensive organisation/tactics?

[Niall_Quinn]

If you have a lunatic who keeps jumping in front of traffic regardless of how badly he is hurt each time, do you say he is principled? Or just a loon?

[Marc Overmars]

If you have a lunatic who keeps jumping in front of traffic regardless of how badly he is hurt each time, do you say he is principled? Or just a loon?

You say to not look at the amount of traffic and focus on the quality of what you do.

[selassie]

You say to not look at the amount of traffic and focus on the quality of what you do.

:haha:

[Power n Glory]

:gp:

Wenger has been beating the same drum for a while now regarding teams parking the bus against us. He obviously has a vision of how Football should be played and he's too principled to even adapt the style slightly hence the patient comment. He basically won't have it any other way and seems content failing in this approach in preference to winning if he changed things up a bit.

You came out with a great point about Defence, I personally think he totally neglects the defensive side of the game, it doesn't interest him, it's not "sexy" enough. I don't think we can realistically expect progress if he won't address certain tactics and/or organisation within the team.

Finally, Wenger made an interesting point about Leicester saying that he doesn't believe they can maintain a high level domestically and in Europe if they give away so much possession, that's a fair point, but what makes him believe we as a team can achieve such a high level in both competitions if he neglects certain aspects of our game such as defensive organisation/tactics?

Totally stubborn. It's been 10 years or so and he sounds as if the teams that park the bus are in the wrong but we play the right way. We really don't. Against teams parking the bus the space is tight on the edge of the box and we should be peppering shots from those areas but instead we'll keep trying to work it into the box. That was the case today and when that doesn't work we're trying to cross it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If you have a lunatic who keeps jumping in front of traffic regardless of how badly he is hurt each time, do you say he is principled? Or just a loon?

You'd say he was a corpse if he kept doing that.

[selassie]

If you have a lunatic who keeps jumping in front of traffic regardless of how badly he is hurt each time, do you say he is principled? Or just a loon?

A bit of both NQ! I think he thinks he's smarter than everyone else, "my way is right, everybody else is wrong and I will continue to do it my way"

[Niall_Quinn]

You'd say he was a corpse if he kept doing that.

Yes you would, and in managerial terms that's a good description. So let's wheel him in for another 3 years. Somebody grab his arm and give the fans a wave.

[Niall_Quinn]

A bit of both NQ! I think he thinks he's smarter than everyone else, "my way is right, everybody else is wrong and I will continue to do it my way"


Is it just a coincidence he's fucked absolutely everything about this club, all the things we used to love, except one thing. That fucking 4th Place Trophy. We still have that. Lost the titles, lost even being able to compete for those. Lost the football. Lost the entertainment. Lost the ability to even pretend to compete in the CL. Lost the legendary defence, the world class strikers, the tough bastards in midfield. Lost it all. Except that bloody 4th place that brings them in the cash every year.

A coincidence?

[selassie]

Is it just a coincidence he's fucked absolutely everything about this club, all the things we used to love, except one thing. That fucking 4th Place Trophy. We still have that. Lost the titles, lost even being able to compete for those. Lost the football. Lost the entertainment. Lost the ability to even pretend to compete in the CL. Lost the legendary defence, the world class strikers, the tough bastards in midfield. Lost it all. Except that bloody 4th place that brings them in the cash every year.

A coincidence?

Oh aye, gone past caring, I can't take us seriously as a football team until he's gone, I suspect that's what most rivals fans are saying now too!

[fakeyank]

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2859744/arsenal-midfielder-mohamed-elneny-arsene-wenger-told-me-to-shoot-less

Another evidence of what a clueless idiot our manager is. If anything, we need to shoot outside the box more often..

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2859744/arsenal-midfielder-mohamed-elneny-arsene-wenger-told-me-to-shoot-less

Another evidence of what a clueless idiot our manager is. If anything, we need to shoot outside the box more often..

Won't take him long to ruin Elneny. We're already seeing signs of Iwobi complicated his play, in line with the Arsenal textbook. Wenger has just seen Leicester winning a title doing everything he tells his players not to do. Press, be direct, shoot... All that vulgar stuff that winning teams are doing.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes you would, and in managerial terms that's a good description. So let's wheel him in for another 3 years. Somebody grab his arm and give the fans a wave.

Reminds me of the references I made to Weekend at Bernies in regards to Peter Hill Woods appearance at the AGM. Used to say to a mate that he'd died years before Blue Chips Keswick succeeded him and that he was thawed out and became a human marionette puppet.

Maybe Wenger is being operated in the same fashion with an impersonator producing several stock phrases during press conference

I would say RIP Wenger, but if they are doing that with his corpse he clearly isn't.

[Marc Overmars]

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2859744/arsenal-midfielder-mohamed-elneny-arsene-wenger-told-me-to-shoot-less

Another evidence of what a clueless idiot our manager is. If anything, we need to shoot outside the box more often..

Don't listen Elmo!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think shooting outside the box is largely an exercise in wasteful shooting, don't get me wrong we carry it to ridiculous proportions with people not shooting even when they are in the box but the vast majority of goals scored in football are inside the box and it's about trying to work your way in behind the defence rather or pressing and attacking at pace rather than pissing about in their third and trying to thread an eye of the needle pass through the centre.

Do I think players should never shoot from distance?. No that would be ridiculous, football is still entertainment and fans love to see screamers and its worthwhile working on placement and power in training but it certainly has to be very much regarded a secondary route to goal.

[fakeyank]

I think shooting outside the box is largely an exercise in wasteful shooting, don't get me wrong we carry it to ridiculous proportions with people not shooting even when they are in the box but the vast majority of goals scored in football are inside the box and it's about trying to work your way in behind the defence rather or pressing and attacking at pace rather than pissing about in their third and trying to thread an eye of the needle pass through the centre.

Do I think players should never shoot from distance?. No that would be ridiculous, football is still entertainment and fans love to see screamers and its worthwhile working on placement and power in training but it certainly has to be very much regarded a secondary route to goal.

Direct goals from long range shots may not always be the 'end goal'. A long range shot may result in a corner or a hand ball or a deflection from the keep into the path of the striker. It should be a secondary route, but that should change based on how a game is going. If we are finding it difficult to penetrate an opposition teams defense, start taking shots from distance.. have a plan B and may be even a plan C!

[Power n Glory]

:doh: The answer to why we're so predictable and teams can just camp inside their own box.

NQ - we had this discussion before with Ozil and you might be right. Even though Wenger has challenged him to score more goals, how has he told Ozil to go about it?

Maybe this is advice just for Elmo but it's crazy considering the banger he scored against Barca. Let him develop that weapon.

[rodders]

We always prefer to pass rather than shoot!!!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Direct goals from long range shots may not always be the 'end goal'. A long range shot may result in a corner or a hand ball or a deflection from the keep into the path of the striker. It should be a secondary route, but that should change based on how a game is going. If we are finding it difficult to penetrate an opposition teams defense, start taking shots from distance.. have a plan B and may be even a plan C!

Isn't referring to it as a secondary option the same as calling it a Plan B or C, I can't help but think we are quibbling over terms.

I think it's about getting players to use the correct judgement rather than being obsessed over style of play, if a tangible pass is not on than shooting from distance is an option to consider rather than haphazardly trying a pass that leads to ceding posession at least with shooting the worst that will happen is that you concede a goal kick.

The most efficient route to scoring a goal is from inside the box, but yes I agree it's not the only route.

And Elnenys comments are very telling.

[Power n Glory]

Isn't referring to it as a secondary option the same as calling it a Plan B or C, I can't help but think we are quibbling over terms.

I think it's about getting players to use the correct judgement rather than being obsessed over style of play, if a tangible pass is not on than shooting from distance is an option to consider rather than haphazardly trying a pass that leads to ceding posession at least with shooting the worst that will happen is that you concede a goal kick.

The most efficient route to scoring a goal is from inside the box, but yes I agree it's not the only route.

And Elnenys comments are very telling.

Would you say players are judging it well? We've hardly scored from outside the box this season and we've struggled against teams that defend deep and in numbers. We've heard Wenger bemoan teams that set themselves up to park the bus, more recently with that Geoff interview in fact, but it doesn't look like he wants to try anything new. The emphasis is still on patients and passing even though it hasn't worked in years against certain set ups.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm trawling through this because i'm marking time until my working day is done

No i don't think our players used their judgement well at all, either they have poor judgement or they are sticking to a rigidly implemented system

If players at Arsenal can't decide for themselves when to shoot and when to pass, they don't belong at the club.

[Nayan]

I like Arsene wenger but his influence has waned and after two decades he is more problem than solution.

Mourinho, Ferguson at their peak would've done titles with the squads weve had. And our teams always bottle it when the pressure is really on the to move into contention. he is great at doing just enough to sneak into s champions league he will never win.

no we will never wi the league under wenger.

I still have my season ticket and didn't go to a single game this season.

[Kano]

Nayan is back from the dead.

[Nayan]

hello

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Yes. Cole's exit was a catalyst as was Wengers complacency... And just when we're closing in again...Fabregas led an exodus with himself, Nasri, vp, song,... if we can keep this group fit and together and add a world class forward and CB we have a chance for sure.

[selassie]

Yes. Cole's exit was a catalyst as was Wengers complacency... And just when we're closing in again...Fabregas led an exodus with himself, Nasri, vp, song,... if we can keep this group fit and together and add a world class forward and CB we have a chance for sure.

None of the above will happen though, it's unlikely we will keep a core of the squad fit (we haven't for around 10 years now). We most certainly won't add a world class forward and cb, it's just wishlist stuff to think otherwise.

[Özim]

None of the above will happen though, it's unlikely we will keep a core of the squad fit (we haven't for around 10 years now). We most certainly won't add a world class forward and cb, it's just wishlist stuff to think otherwise.

Exaclty right, I don't understand why people still can't see this and still hope for some pipedream which will never happen.

[Niall_Quinn]

If he doesn't sign a class striker this window then next window will be all about Ozil, Alexis, Kos, Bellerin, Ramsey leaving. This is his last chance to act to prevent that.

[Power n Glory]

None of the above will happen though, it's unlikely we will keep a core of the squad fit (we haven't for around 10 years now). We most certainly won't add a world class forward and cb, it's just wishlist stuff to think otherwise.

Yeah, we’ve been singing the same song for a while now. It’s looking more than likely that we’ll lose Sanchez and Ozil if Wenger continues on like this. I think this will be their last seasons for us so this should be the season we’re going all out with signings to show intent.

[selassie]

If he doesn't sign a class striker this window then next window will be all about Ozil, Alexis, Kos, Bellerin, Ramsey leaving. This is his last chance to act to prevent that.

Aye, I think he'll need to win one of the major ones this season to keep either of Ozil or Alexis here. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact one of them at the very least will go. I agree about the others too...especially Bellerin.