View Full Version : Wilshere injured....again
alexander
06-08-2015, 05:26 AM
Out for 6-8 weeks.
FFS.
fakeyank
06-08-2015, 06:10 AM
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/2549889/jack-wilshere-leg-fracture-injury-news-rocks-arsenal
New Diaby! :doh:
Man City, please come back! :pray:
Bumble
06-08-2015, 07:23 AM
hair line fracture of the shin from a tackle by Gabriel.
McNamara That Ghost...
06-08-2015, 07:34 AM
You don't mess with Duane Dibley.
Get rid, sick of this crock, wasting money paying him for sitting on the treatment table all the time.
Marc Overmars
06-08-2015, 08:01 AM
No surprises here, it would be a miracle if this guy is available for more than 3 months of a season.
Gooner23
06-08-2015, 08:08 AM
His style of play draws contact, unless he changes that he'll always be more prone to these sorts of injuries.
Power n Glory
06-08-2015, 08:11 AM
First we're told he'll be out for a few days. Next 3 weeks. Now it's 6 to 8 weeks. What a joke.
Jack needs to adjust his playing style if he wants a long career. His ankles can't keep taking a bashing. He also needs to have a long think about his lifestyle off the pitch.
We always need one of Jack or Rambo out, otherwise Wenget feels compelled to play them both, meaning someone is always out of position.
He'll be like a new signing when he comes back in January.
Apparently Gabriel clattered him and broke his leg.
Wouldn't have happened if he hadn't smoked that cigarette.
Power n Glory
06-08-2015, 09:07 AM
@LDG We have that problem anyway. Only just getting round to watching the Community Shield and he has Ozil playing on the left.
The Emirates Gallactico
06-08-2015, 09:18 AM
Apparently Gabriel clattered him and broke his leg.
Wouldn't have happened if he hadn't smoked that cigarette.
Can't fault Gabriel and I hope Jack doen't. He's going to be regularly exposed to harder challenges in the league.
Agree with P&G though. Time for him to make some adjustments as it's getting a bit ridicolous now.
Smoking is a terrible habit and in this day and age there's no excuse for it with the fact you can't smoke in public and the well documented health risks. For a sportsman to take up smoking is frankly shocking, it's a fact it's not good for you and that it will hinder your in sport, it just not acceptable in any sport and should be frowned upon IMO.
He gets a lot of injuries and is a liability, in addition though as shown by the above he's very unprofessional and not as dedicated as he should be so we should let him move on and let someone else deal with the problems he brings with him.
Jack smells like grandad, we don't want to play with him any more.
Munchies
06-08-2015, 10:13 AM
Not a big loss as Ramsey is the better player.
If we get a decent offer for him, then we should really sell him
Not a big loss as Ramsey is the better player.
If we get a decent offer for him, then we should really sell him
Pretty much, we're overstocked in the centre of midfield anyway, could use more wingers.
Letters
06-08-2015, 10:33 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAmhJRFCUAARB8O.jpg
No wonder he's so rubbish.
Marc Overmars
06-08-2015, 11:09 AM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150806/jack-wilshere-injures-his-left-fibula
Wenget confirms Wheelchairs injury.
Smoking is a terrible habit and in this day and age there's no excuse for it with the fact you can't smoke in public and the well documented health risks. For a sportsman to take up smoking is frankly shocking, it's a fact it's not good for you and that it will hinder your in sport, it just not acceptable in any sport and should be frowned upon IMO.
He gets a lot of injuries and is a liability, in addition though as shown by the above he's very unprofessional and not as dedicated as he should be so we should let him move on and let someone else deal with the problems he brings with him.
His smoking isn't out of control, it's the injuries that are the problem. Smoking isn't ideal for any athlete but it never stopped Zidane, Messi or Maradona (along with every other substance on this Earth). Bradley Wiggins, Shane Warne, Michael Jordan...the list goes on. As long as it isn't a regular habit, then it has very little effect on performance.
dostoy
06-08-2015, 01:38 PM
I will be Ramsey and Ox next.
We will be down to the bones before the end of August.
We have so many injuries every year.
Power n Glory
06-08-2015, 02:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAmhJRFCUAARB8O.jpg
No wonder he's so rubbish.
Silly comparison. One size doesn't fit all. I've heard stories of Ronaldo and Romario being complete slackers in training but they'd still turn on the magic on match day. Does that mean all players can slack off in training?
Messi's made his bones in football but Jack's just keep on breaking. I say he needs to make lifestyle adjustments because he needs to brush off this bad boy image and everyone seems so keen to fit him into the 'Gazza' mold. Also, he might be one of those players that needs to be more health conscious, train outside of regular hours and see a specialist just to stay fit and have a long career.
Letters
06-08-2015, 02:26 PM
Smoking is obviously a bad thing - unless you want to look cool.
But him having the odd cigarette here and there is not the reason he's had injuries.
Power n Glory
06-08-2015, 02:47 PM
Smoking is obviously a bad thing - unless you want to look cool.
But him having the odd cigarette here and there is not the reason he's had injuries.
How do we know it's the odd cigarette? We're only assuming it's the odd one. And I never said his smoking was a direct cause of his injuries although it may catch up with him in the later stages of his career.
Letters
06-08-2015, 03:06 PM
The point was there are plenty of other top footballers who have smoked and while that will have long term effects, in the short term it's pretty unlikely to make a significant difference.
It's just another stick some people like to beat him with.
The point was there are plenty of other top footballers who have smoked and while that will have long term effects, in the short term it's pretty unlikely to make a significant difference.
It's just another stick some people like to beat him with.
I wasn't linking the smoking to his injuries, just highlighting he's a bit of a playboy and not as dedicated as he should be. As for smoking, how do we know how long he's been smoking, he could have been smoking since he was 17 in private, the facts our smoking does have a negative effect on health and your ability to perform sports, Messi may have had the odd one but there's always people who aren't the norm, one guy smoked till he was 100 and didn't get cancer, doesn't mean it's ok to smoke.
I don't personally think it's acceptable to see a professional sportsman smoking.
Letters
06-08-2015, 03:26 PM
It's not the root cause of his injury problems though and, at his age, unlikely to affect his performance. His workrate is fine on the pitch, it's not affecting his fitness.
He is a tit though, obviously.
I personally wouldn't write him off just yet, but this setback is disappointing to say the least.
Maestro
06-08-2015, 03:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAmhJRFCUAARB8O.jpg
No wonder he's so rubbish.
To be fair Lionel, that looks like a spliff
fakeyank
06-08-2015, 03:36 PM
Let's be clear.. his smoking didnt break his fibula. That just shows his unprofessionalism. His injuries are primarily caused by his style of play. May be if he changes his style of play, he'll be less effective. Either way, he is a liability to us... must sell!
Xhaka Can’t
06-08-2015, 05:43 PM
And March and May.
Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
06-08-2015, 07:01 PM
This time last season he was playing really well but did the odd silly thing off the field and got slaughtered even though he outshone Ramsey despite Rambo's goals.
Then he got injured, an extended time out and came back. Every time he took to the field from then on he was very good, superb or masterful. Now he has another short/medium set back but sell him over my dead body.
Power n Glory
06-08-2015, 07:22 PM
We shouldn't sell him. Scored some incredible goals and he may have added long ranging shooting to his arsenal. He's still young and we have plenty of cover in the midfield but he needs to work his socks off this year. The constant injury set backs just slows his development.
Wilshere is probably the best talent to come through our academy in decades.
Phenomenal player.
mastermind84
07-08-2015, 03:55 AM
This time last season he was playing really well but did the odd silly thing off the field and got slaughtered even though he outshone Ramsey despite Rambo's goals.
Jack played well but the team was not playing well at all. He doesn't fit with how Arsenal plays and more importantly be marginalized Özil and forced Santi to the bench.
We have loads of top midfielders, Wilshere isn't needed, if anything he's taking up a spot in the squad which could be taken up by someone in a different position, we have far too many central midfielders as it is and he's not as good as most of those ahead of him.
Letters
07-08-2015, 06:47 AM
I actually agree it's a position we're not short in. But he's got real quality and if he can just get over his injury problems he could be a good player for us.
It's always difficult with players who have persistent injuries. Many (me included) were calling for RvP to be sold just before he had that season for us where he dragged us into 4th place virtually on his own. It's easy to have 20:20 hindsight afterwards about these things.
Power n Glory
07-08-2015, 06:52 AM
Jack played well but the team was not playing well at all. He doesn't fit with how Arsenal plays and more importantly be marginalized Özil and forced Santi to the bench.
We have that problem without Jack. Ozil played on the wing against Chelsea so Ramsey can play. It's down to the manager. It shouldn't take injuries to him from playing players out of position.
Bumble
07-08-2015, 07:15 AM
This might be a good thing longer term. Gerrard had a lot of injuries early in his career although different types but still did pretty well for himself. Wilshere would have struggled to be first choice this season but next year Arteta and Rosicky probably would have gone and Santi would be 31/32 so perhaps that is when Wilshere can fit in and would be like having a new signing.
mastermind84
07-08-2015, 05:29 PM
We have that problem without Jack. Ozil played on the wing against Chelsea so Ramsey can play. It's down to the manager. It shouldn't take injuries to him from playing players out of position.
thing with Ramsey/Ozil vs. Jack/Ozil is that Jack operates in Ozil's space whereas Ramsey does not.
fakeyank
08-08-2015, 06:54 PM
Send him out on loan to the championship tbf..
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selassie
10-08-2015, 12:58 PM
The funny thing is when he is fit where does he play? We have enough problems trying to cram all our attacking midfielders in even without Jack, half of them occupy the wings. I like Jack, I think he's worth keeping hold of and is kind of worth the hassle but Arsene has to be a bit more ruthless with our midfielders IMO, IMO we can sacrifice/sell at least 1 of the current crop of AM's to make way for a dedicated defensive midfielder.
Karma for all the 'lads' who mocked Diaby.
Power n Glory
10-09-2015, 10:18 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3229081/Arsenal-midfielder-Jack-Wilshere-suffers-injury-setback-Arsene-Wenger-confirms-Danny-Welbeck-Christmas.html
Jack has a set back! :doh:
McNamara That Ghost...
10-09-2015, 10:38 AM
He just needs entirely new ankles.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3229081/Arsenal-midfielder-Jack-Wilshere-suffers-injury-setback-Arsene-Wenger-confirms-Danny-Welbeck-Christmas.html
Jack has a set back! :doh:
Story of his career really, setbacks, we should just get rid, he's never gonna stay fit and costs us a sh*tload for nothing.
Xhaka Can’t
10-09-2015, 11:11 AM
We need some form of version control for 'Wilshere Injury' threads. Simply saying he is injured 'again' doesn't cut the mustard.
No problem we've got plenty of cover in that department we've been told. There was no-one better available to buy either.
Meanwhile, Wenger raises his middle finger
“To support the club and support the team is to stand behind the players,” Wenger said. “It is not always expecting someone coming down from heaven to sort out all your problems.”
It'll save us money in the January transfer window with both Welbeck and Wheelchair coming back like two new signings, happy days!
Heisenberg
10-09-2015, 12:29 PM
It'll be like this for the next few years. Then he'll stay fit for a season, play a blinder and we'll sell him to United!
Power n Glory
10-09-2015, 01:12 PM
No problem we've got plenty of cover in that department we've been told. There was no-one better available to buy either.
Meanwhile, Wenger raises his middle finger
He really needs to cut that out. This is why I say people that go to games need to stop going. He has no business lecturing fans.
Niall_Quinn
10-09-2015, 02:54 PM
No problem we've got plenty of cover in that department we've been told. There was no-one better available to buy either.
Meanwhile, Wenger raises his middle finger
I read that. Not great timing. I suppose the fans could retort by demanding the board and the manager get behind the team.
Marc Overmars
10-09-2015, 03:27 PM
Oh well. He's not missed anyway, too much of a part timer to be of any importance.
Power n Glory
10-09-2015, 03:33 PM
I read that. Not great timing. I suppose the fans could retort by demanding the board and the manager get behind the team.
‘Thanks for your interest in our affairs’ .
That’s the attitude ringing loudly from the club. Fans need to pay attention. Wenger’s just as bad as the board members. I still won’t forget how he justified raising season ticket prices by saying it will make us more competitive in the league and then he throws up this sort of insult. Anyone still paying through the nose for this shit should take note.
Penguin
10-09-2015, 03:45 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Wilshere's cheating on his girlfriend with the injury table
In other news Diaby begs the table to take him back. "Some of the best moments of my career were on that table."
He's finished. Bad decision not to sell to Man City when they were gagging for home grown players. I love watching him play because he's silky as fuck on the ball, unrivalled talent. Or maybe flip a coin between him and Ozil. But what's the point, he's never on the pitch. Good work Arsenal medical team.
Maestro
10-09-2015, 04:24 PM
We need some form of version control for 'Wilshere Injury' threads. Simply saying he is injured 'again' doesn't cut the mustard.
😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
Because I just don't know which is which, we have too many random versions checked out
selassie
15-09-2015, 01:38 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jack-wilshere-feared-out-of-action-until-christmas-as-arsenal-midfielder-requires-surgery-on-fractured-leg-after-setback-10501977.html]
Out until Christmas, why has it taken us this long to figure out that he needs surgery? He's not played this season, he's been out for weeks.
Power n Glory
15-09-2015, 01:48 PM
Very true. Sounds like we were trying to get him fit without surgery. Maybe someone had a problem paying the medical bill. Or we're doing this on the NHS and we've had Jack on the waiting list. :unsure:
Niall_Quinn
15-09-2015, 02:06 PM
Another player out for 2 weeks.
I think it's the medical staff trying to justify their overtime now Diaby has left.
Niall_Quinn
15-09-2015, 02:09 PM
English core - Wilshere, Walcott, Ox, Welbeck, Gibbs - what do all these players have in common besides nationality?
The health industry would collapse without our GHELs.
When is Chambers due to be injured?
fakeyank
15-09-2015, 02:36 PM
You cant make this shit up! :haha:
Marc Overmars
15-09-2015, 02:37 PM
Par for the course, half a season is all we should expect from this guy. At this rate we'll be lucky to even get that out of him. Jesus Christ.
dostoy
15-09-2015, 03:04 PM
He will play very little again this season.
When he is back Wenger will only play him gradually and always from the bench.
I can't see him starting a match till March at least.
Why is it we have so many long term injuries every season ?
Niall_Quinn
15-09-2015, 03:22 PM
He will play very little again this season.
When he is back Wenger will only play him gradually and always from the bench.
I can't see him starting a match till March at least.
Why is it we have so many long term injuries every season ?
Wasn't too bad last season, by our standard. Thought we might have sorted something out, but maybe not.
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/37757/M_Night_Shyamalan_37757.jpg
alexander
15-09-2015, 04:47 PM
He has this hairline fracture, how was that not picked up before now? Im sure he would have had scans and xrays etc before now, but now he needs his leg pinning. How has this slipped past?
I thought things had changed last season, but we are back to the same old same old. Its insane how shit our medical staff are.
Also, I actually never ever believe Wenger when he says out for 2-3 weeks. No player at arsenal is ever out for such a short period.
Why is it we have so many long term injuries every season ?
We're the world's most unlucky team.
If everyone had stayed fit we'd have walked the title, because we is the bestest team ever to exist and don't need to spend any money.
Come January when every other clubs is sniffing around for anyone they can get their hands on, we'll have a gazillion new signings.
He has this hairline fracture, how was that not picked up before now?
I think that requires competence, this club has already shown it's not blessed with too much of this.
KSE Comedy Club
15-09-2015, 10:16 PM
Was it £30m that the gypos offered us?
Such a shame :sulk:
Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
15-09-2015, 10:50 PM
Gutted for him and the club. Desperately hope he can still have a successful career and moreover with us.
Niall_Quinn
16-09-2015, 10:48 AM
Unfortunately the two players that refuse to go 100% tippy tappy are Wilshere and Rosicky. Even more unfortunately they are always injured.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 01:43 PM
We've signed Jack up to a new contract. £110k a week.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/22/jack-wilshere-agrees-new-arsenal-contract-report-5638171/
Bumble
22-01-2016, 01:44 PM
We've signed Jack up to a new contract. £110k a week.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/22/jack-wilshere-agrees-new-arsenal-contract-report-5638171/
Maybe they mean per game?
Özil's Panoramic View
22-01-2016, 01:47 PM
Any wind of this new contract from a credible source?
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 01:54 PM
Any wind of this new contract from a credible source?
Google!
We've signed Jack up to a new contract. £110k a week.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/22/jack-wilshere-agrees-new-arsenal-contract-report-5638171/
Here we go again what a joke, 110k for a guy who's achieved nothing and spends 95% of his time on the treatment table, what are we a charity.
He' overhyped, overrated and always injured as for his dedication and professionalism, well the less said about that the better. What a waste of money, we'd have been better off putting it towards someone new who could play and offer something to the team, he's the new Rosicky/Diaby.
If this report is true we're nuts, 31.5 million over the next few years on this chump, but it is what we do best after all, turns crocks into multi-millionaires, we're a crocks dream. Somehow he's managed to get a 20k a week pay rise for doing nothing, well played :lol:
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 02:10 PM
Here we go again what a joke, 110k for a guy who's achieved nothing and spends 95% of his time on the treatment table, what are we a charity.
He' overhyped, overrated and always injured as for his decation and professionalism, well the less said about that the better. What a waste of money, we'd have been better off putting it towards someone new who could play and offer something to the team, he's the new Rosicky/Diaby.
If this report is true we're nuts, 31.5 million over the next few years on this chump, no wonder we're a joke.
I wouldn’t want to lose Jack but I don’t think there is a threat of him leaving. I said ages ago we bumped up the wages of our young players too high.
The Emirates Gallactico
22-01-2016, 02:27 PM
I'm actually with Zim on this :yikes:
110k for a guy who's an unreliable injury crock. And despite his immense potential, hasn't consistently demonstrated his quality over an extended period. :doh:
I'd wait for a better source because the Metro is a shithouse in journalism but if it's true the only thing I can suspect is that the club are really concerned about the new homegrown player quota.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 02:46 PM
Ridiculous really. I've never understood why Jack has gotten pay rises so easily but players like Song and Sagna are let go if they ask for a better contract. The guys that prove their worth should be first in line for a contract.
Letters
22-01-2016, 02:47 PM
I wonder how Zim manages to hold the two thoughts that "we waste too much money on salaries" and "Wenger doesn't like to spend money" in his head at the same time. Hmm.
But anyway, we DO reward our players too young before they've achieved anything. I agree that Wilshere isn't much of a flight risk but lots of players are, if we don't pay them silly money then someone else no doubt will so I guess we have to play the game.
Song and Sagna are let go if they ask for a better contract.
That isn't why either of those players left and you know it.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 03:12 PM
That isn't why either of those players left and you know it.
I know it? Really? Do you know what was going on?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10897842/Bacary-Sagna-agrees-to-join-Manchester-City-on-a-free-transfer-when-his-Arsenal-contract-expires.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4504742/Alex-Song-I-wanted-to-stay-at-Arsenal-for-life.html
Not sure if the papers are accurate but from what I remember we weren't offering the £100k. With Song, I recall him saying the above. What's true and what's false I don't know but the resolve to keep them wasn't there.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 03:41 PM
I wonder how Zim manages to hold the two thoughts that "we waste too much money on salaries" and "Wenger doesn't like to spend money" in his head at the same time. Hmm.
But anyway, we DO reward our players too young before they've achieved anything. I agree that Wilshere isn't much of a flight risk but lots of players are, if we don't pay them silly money then someone else no doubt will so I guess we have to play the game.
But who is offering silly money for these guys? Have any of these players hinted at leaving? It doesn't make sense to me to pay over the odds in an attempt to pre-empt a threat that doesn't exist. If an actual performing player like Ozil gets demands £200k to match a rival clubs offer but we can't match because we've maxed out our wage bill, it will be because of this sort of stupidity.
fakeyank
22-01-2016, 03:43 PM
IF the Wilshere contract news is true, then whoever offered him that contract needs to be fired and sent to Mars. We wasted a LOT of time and resources on people like Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere and the likes... lets not continue this shit.
Marc Overmars
22-01-2016, 03:44 PM
Shows how crass the game is really. You can be rewarded for doing sod all. He's been available what, 6-7 months at most over the last 3 years since his last deal?
Letters
22-01-2016, 03:46 PM
But who is offering silly money for these guys? Have any of these players hinted at leaving? It doesn't make sense to me to pay over the odds in an attempt to pre-empt a threat that doesn't exist. If an actual performing player like Ozil gets demands £200k to match a rival clubs offer but we can't match because we've maxed out our wage bill, it will be because of this sort of stupidity.
Players' wages and transfer fees are all so utterly ridiculous these days that it's next to impossible to say what anyone is 'worth'. No-one is worth £100k a week whatever they do, least of all someone whose job it is to kick a football.
I do agree we're paying our players far too much far too young, and I don't know if any specific bids for our players that might have prompted new deals but we know how easy it is for players' heads to be turned these days.
I know it? Really? Do you know what was going on?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10897842/Bacary-Sagna-agrees-to-join-Manchester-City-on-a-free-transfer-when-his-Arsenal-contract-expires.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4504742/Alex-Song-I-wanted-to-stay-at-Arsenal-for-life.html
Not sure if the papers are accurate but from what I remember we weren't offering the £100k. With Song, I recall him saying the above. What's true and what's false I don't know but the resolve to keep them wasn't there.
Sagna was offered a new contract but he decided he wanted a big pay off to sit on the bench at city.
Song's poor attitude and indiscipline meant he was actively shown the door.
Simple stuff.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 04:18 PM
Players' wages and transfer fees are all so utterly ridiculous these days that it's next to impossible to say what anyone is 'worth'. No-one is worth £100k a week whatever they do, least of all someone whose job it is to kick a football.
I do agree we're paying our players far too much far too young, and I don't know if any specific bids for our players that might have prompted new deals but we know how easy it is for players' heads to be turned these days.
It really is ridiculous but we’re only inflating our own wage bill for no reason. The demand for the player has to be there at least and there has to be a real threat of the player walking :lol:. I just don’t see that as a possibility with a good chunk of the players we offer new contracts. Ox, Gibbs, Ramsey….They’re happy and just want to play and improve.
Let’s say a club like City wanted to take Wilshere off our hands, they’ll just gazump his current deal and if we wanted to keep him, we’d have to be prepared to match the offer he’s received. But if they are offering him £200k to gazump our £110k, I can’t see us keeping him either way. We’re just making it difficult for ourselves in the long run. If we had a good young player on £50k and these vultures come in and try to double his wages, we’d at least be able to match that if he asks for us to match the offer. We can’t if we’re already at stretching point with these guys wages.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 04:25 PM
Sagna was offered a new contract but he decided he wanted a big pay off to sit on the bench at city.
Song's poor attitude and indiscipline meant he was actively shown the door.
Simple stuff.
:doh: What did I say about Sagna? We weren't willing to match the price. His loss, our loss. But when you compare that situation of a long serving player for a injury prone player...it's a bit silly.
Song....bollocks. He suddenly developed such a poor attitude that we had to sell him? You think we'd have sold if Barca offered us £5m? Rubbish!
fakeyank
22-01-2016, 04:27 PM
we know how easy it is for players' heads to be turned these days.
If reports of Wilshere's new contract is true, then his head turns just as easily as his ankles.. :coffee:
Letters
22-01-2016, 04:46 PM
:lol:
:rimshot:
You think we'd have sold if Barca offered us £5m? Rubbish!
No, because we'd have sold him somewhere else for his market value.
Song was moved on because we didn't want him any more. The sooner you accept that the sooner we can all move on.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 05:10 PM
No, because we'd have sold him somewhere else for his market value.
Song was moved on because we didn't want him any more. The sooner you accept that the sooner we can all move on.
So just as Barca make a very high bid and he has an impressive season for us, we don't want him because of 'discipline' problems?
Yeah. Sure. If you say so.
:lol:
It's pretty well known. You can make something else up though if it suits your own agenda.
Power n Glory
22-01-2016, 05:26 PM
:lol:
It's pretty well known. You can make something else up though if it suits your own agenda.
Since when was this pretty well known? If he always had a bad attitude why was he in the team for so long? More discipline problems than Wilshere with his smoking, partying and fights? Please.
Mr. Lahey
22-01-2016, 08:55 PM
Song had discipline problems? Thats news to me.
Marc Overmars
22-01-2016, 09:03 PM
It was reported on his departure that he became a bit of a billy big bollocks but how much was true I don't know. All came from "sources close to the club".
You could see it in the way he played. He was supposed to be the holding player but how often would he go roaming forward?
Power n Glory
23-01-2016, 12:09 AM
You can see he had an attitude problem by the way he played? :haha:
We must have a serious problem throughout the camp if that's the case. Flamini and Ramsey must be running amok when you look at the way they just roam forward. I bet Kolo Toure and Vermaelen were complete bastards to work with as well. They'd often go charging up the pitch at random moment. Must have been real uncontrollable hot heads. And that Denilson fella. :haha:
You're embarrassing yourself.
Again.
Power n Glory
23-01-2016, 12:18 AM
Just delete that post and pretend it never happened. That's bloody embarrassing.
You can tell by the way he played? :lol: You can't be serious.
Letters
23-01-2016, 10:13 AM
Hey! :angry:
Pointless bickering is my job :sulk:
Globalgunner
23-01-2016, 11:53 AM
Hey! :angry:
Pointless bickering is my job :sulk:
Yes chaps. Leave it to the experts.
selassie
23-01-2016, 07:23 PM
The timing of this new contract seems strange considering he's not set foot on the pitch this season, I also wonder how long he had left on his current deal. He really owes us, especially when you look at the likes of Dele Alli tearing the league apart at those noisy neighbours down the road.
Master Splinter
23-01-2016, 07:32 PM
I'm sure he gets injured on purpose and loves not being able to play football.
It was also Diaby's dream when he was a young boy.
What, sitting around on your arse getting paid millions? That's everyone's dream.
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
23-01-2016, 08:11 PM
Who cares how he feels frankly, like Diaby we have a player who is never going to stay fit that's a shame but we don't owe these guys a living.
Frankly harsh as it sounds, fuck him....let him resurrect his career with a mid table club, why should we being paying him for not playing. Arsenal is a football club not a convalescence home
Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
23-01-2016, 08:18 PM
You almost kinda sorta maybe had me until you put the 'fuck him' part in there.....
I don't actually agree that we should move him on either. I know the arguments from a business sense but we can neither claim to run entirely as a business all the time, nor a sports club......and so there is room for both as we see fit(no pun intended there).
milla
23-01-2016, 09:09 PM
What, sitting around on your arse getting paid millions? That's everyone's dream.
Someone has to pay his bills :coffee:
I'm sure he gets injured on purpose and loves not being able to play football.
It was also Diaby's dream when he was a young boy.
Probably, gives him more time to go to nightclubs and parties with hot tubs and smoke ciggies., it's a hard life.
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
23-01-2016, 10:00 PM
You almost kinda sorta maybe had me until you put the 'fuck him' part in there.....
I don't actually agree that we should move him on either. I know the arguments from a business sense but we can neither claim to run entirely as a business all the time, nor a sports club......and so there is room for both as we see fit(no pun intended there).
Whether you look at it as a sports club or a business it's not conducive to keep him here, when we can offload and have someone in the squad who will actually play.
I don't actually agree that we should move him on either.
Why, he never plays and gets paid a fortune. Sounds like a waste of money to me, as has been said we're not a charity and it's not our job and we don't owe him a living, he's done absolutely nothing in his career so far to be deserving of any loyalty.
Power n Glory
24-01-2016, 08:23 AM
You almost kinda sorta maybe had me until you put the 'fuck him' part in there.....
I don't actually agree that we should move him on either. I know the arguments from a business sense but we can neither claim to run entirely as a business all the time, nor a sports club......and so there is room for both as we see fit(no pun intended there).
I agree with that. Injuries will happen and I think Wilshere will recover and get through this phase. Or at least I hope. I wouldn't want to sell him right now. That's a bit too cut throat and a corporate decision and most fans complain about the way our club is going.
But I think we need to review these wages. I'm sure Ox and Ramsey will be up next for massive contracts and it's too much. We can't still have a socialist wage structure and try to keep everyone on similar wages. It's just not smart business.
Niall_Quinn
24-01-2016, 11:36 AM
Doubt Wilshere got injured on purpose. But if he did - fuck him - sell him.
Excellent player though. Just needs a good run of games and for the manager to use him properly and kick a bit of discipline into him. Then again, same could be said of Ramsey, Theo, Ox...
But if we're going to sell him then signing him up to a new contract is a smart move. His fee just went up by tens of millions.
Niall_Quinn
24-01-2016, 11:39 AM
I agree with that. Injuries will happen and I think Wilshere will recover and get through this phase. Or at least I hope. I wouldn't want to sell him right now. That's a bit too cut throat and a corporate decision and most fans complain about the way our club is going.
But I think we need to review these wages. I'm sure Ox and Ramsey will be up next for massive contracts and it's too much. We can't still have a socialist wage structure and try to keep everyone on similar wages. It's just not smart business.
The crazy wages are the result of the money funnel. More being pumped in at the top and more being siphoned off by the players and agents. The extra money is just being washed through the clubs.
I am invisible
24-01-2016, 12:42 PM
This sort of thing would have been an issue a few years back (for example, with Diaby and Rosicky), when additions were scarce, and every penny we had available was precious - back then we really couldn't afford to be a couple of key players down, year after year after year. I'm kind of easy about it this time round though - on the one hand you have to say the wages look obscene, considering what we've been getting in return these last couple of years, but on the other we can comfortably afford it now, it's not stopping us from investing in midfield (as we've just seen), we're not reliant on him being fit, and it doesn't look like we're pinning any future hopes on him either? It's an indulgence on our part, no question about it, but one that we can allow ourselves this time.
The ball's in Wilshere's court now - obviously the club will be hoping that he goes on to fulfil his potential, but it's no skin off our nose if he doesn't. Not much he can do about the injuries, but beyond that it really is up to him whether he wants to be a serious player, or just another nobody who's happy to sit on the bench and take his money...
Power n Glory
24-01-2016, 02:24 PM
This sort of thing would have been an issue a few years back (for example, with Diaby and Rosicky), when additions were scarce, and every penny we had available was precious - back then we really couldn't afford to be a couple of key players down, year after year after year. I'm kind of easy about it this time round though - on the one hand you have to say the wages look obscene, considering what we've been getting in return these last couple of years, but on the other we can comfortably afford it now, it's not stopping us from investing in midfield (as we've just seen), we're not reliant on him being fit, and it doesn't look like we're pinning any future hopes on him either? It's an indulgence on our part, no question about it, but one that we can allow ourselves this time.
The ball's in Wilshere's court now - obviously the club will be hoping that he goes on to fulfil his potential, but it's no skin off our nose if he doesn't. Not much he can do about the injuries, but beyond that it really is up to him whether he wants to be a serious player, or just another nobody who's happy to sit on the bench and take his money...
You say that now but we don't what's round the corner. We shouldn't be wasteful with our resources in case of a rainy day. I have a feeling that rainy day will come with Silent Stan at the helm. We win the title.this year and the guy may start pulling back on spending so he can finance his LA Rams move.
I am invisible
24-01-2016, 03:33 PM
You say that now but we don't what's round the corner. We shouldn't be wasteful with our resources in case of a rainy day. I have a feeling that rainy day will come with Silent Stan at the helm. We win the title.this year and the guy may start pulling back on spending so he can finance his LA Rams move.
I think that's a level of prudence too far mate. I mean, if we can't feel free to spend our money now, with all this stadium income and this ridiculous new Sky deal, then when? When will it ever be the right time under Stan? He might decide to pull back on spending whatever we do with our resources - I really don't see a new deal for Wilshere making any difference to his plans for us one way or the other...
Power n Glory
24-01-2016, 06:20 PM
You could see it in the way he played. He was supposed to be the holding player but how often would he go roaming forward?
Do you think Flamini has discipline problems when off the pitch and troublemaker? I mean just look at today's performance. ;)
selassie
24-01-2016, 07:11 PM
Need him back to save our season. At least when he does play he can pass a ball and at least attempt to tackle. He puts our current two imposters in Midfield to shame.
Xhaka Can’t
24-01-2016, 07:13 PM
He writes checks his body can't cash.
Another with whom we need to cut our losses.
McNamara That Ghost...
24-01-2016, 07:16 PM
His body can't write cheques.
Xhaka Can’t
24-01-2016, 07:18 PM
His body can't write cheques.
Exactly.
Power n Glory
24-01-2016, 08:23 PM
I can't imagine Wilshere being worse than Ramsey.
Xhaka Can’t
24-01-2016, 08:26 PM
I can't imagine Wilshere being worse than Ramsey.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKeSTahUwAA-05_.jpg
topgun
24-01-2016, 09:05 PM
We have had no midfield for weeks,this was an accident waiting to happen. Another one of our handful of no shows we have every season.
selassie
24-01-2016, 10:28 PM
I can't imagine Wilshere being worse than Ramsey.
Of course not. Wilshere is a liability in as much as he's crocked a lot, when he plays he more often than not performs. At the very least he can hold onto the ball and pick out a pass. Ramsey & Flamini offer this team nothing at the moment, can't pass, can't tackle. Ramsey at least scored the other day but other than that he's been really poor, he was horrible today.
mastermind84
24-01-2016, 11:53 PM
I can't imagine Wilshere being worse than Ramsey.
Jack likes to run into defenders so he would be like Ox or Theo.
selassie
25-01-2016, 09:11 AM
Jack likes to run into defenders so he would be like Ox or Theo.
Jack isn't as bad on the ball as those two, he does it give it away but at least he actually creates.
He would be an upgrade on those two and Ramsey IMO.
Power n Glory
25-01-2016, 09:15 AM
Jack isn't as bad on the ball as those two, he does it give it away but at least he actually creates.
He would be an upgrade on those two and Ramsey IMO.
I agree. Flawed player but I can't imagine his touch and passing being as bad as what I'm seeing from Ramsey.
I'm not sure Wilshere is the answer either, he does run around and put in some tackles (quite often mistimed), but he also gives away bad free kicks in key areas and runs into dead end in the same way the Alexsandr Kleb use to, we're trying to find solutions due to how poor the current pairing is, but we forget how someone plays when they've been injured for so long, he's just not composed enough.
We need someone more composed and mature in that area.
Power n Glory
25-01-2016, 10:09 AM
I'm not sure Wilshere is the answer either, he does run around and put in some tackles (quite often mistimed), but he also gives away bad free kicks in key areas and runs into dead end in the same way the Alexsandr Kleb use to, we're trying to find solutions due to how poor the current pairing is, but we forget how someone plays when they've been injured for so long, he's just not composed enough.
We need someone more composed and mature in that area.
I mention Wilshere in hope that he recovers this season but come summer we should be looking to buy.
Marc Overmars
25-01-2016, 10:10 AM
Unfortunately for Jack, unless he can increase his availability for selection to more than 3 months a season he's not going to be the answer to anything.
selassie
25-01-2016, 11:26 AM
I'm not sure Wilshere is the answer either, he does run around and put in some tackles (quite often mistimed), but he also gives away bad free kicks in key areas and runs into dead end in the same way the Alexsandr Kleb use to, we're trying to find solutions due to how poor the current pairing is, but we forget how someone plays when they've been injured for so long, he's just not composed enough.
We need someone more composed and mature in that area.
I agree long term he's not the answer but I think short term if he's available for selection I'd put him in. Our midfield is in bad shape right now, things will improve defensively when Coq comes back but we will still lack that composure and game management with Ramsey presumably still getting picks in there.
Central Midfield needs to be reviewed carefully over the summer and I think we need a long term partner to Coq because right now I'm not convinced of any of our options with the exception of Santi who is not getting any younger, I just think Jack when fit is a better option than Ramsey.
mastermind84
25-01-2016, 03:39 PM
Jack isn't as bad on the ball as those two, he does it give it away but at least he actually creates.
He would be an upgrade on those two and Ramsey IMO.
Ramsey creates too
I think the big problem is just how bad Flamini is. He is only good when he man marks but he can't cover ground and is scared of the ball. There was a moment yesterday when Oxlade made a move on the right and the ball strayed a bit. Flamini was closest to the ball and coulda played it and made a move but instead he stood bad let Oxlade recover it and it ended up in one of Oxlade's dead end runs.
Ramsey also had more tackles and interceptions than Flamini yesterday. It was a huge difference too.
Jack wouldn't help this side at al but my hope is that he matures into the Cazorla role but I don't know if he has the nous for it.
Power n Glory
25-01-2016, 04:09 PM
5 goals and only 3 assist from Ramsey this season. It's not good enough really.
He makes tackles. A lot. But in vital moments he's in the wrong position just like when we conceded the goal.
Thing is Ramsey has had one good season, you'll find countless players who have performed well for one season in football, you don't become top class until you prove you can do it over several seasons.
I think he still has to convince a lot of people, his game has gone to pot since that season where he scored 16 goals, a lot of managers would have dropped him for someone else until he showed some form.
This is his 8th season with us and much like the likes of Walcott ,Wilshere and Ox-Chamberlain where is the progress, the progress of these guys seems to be static, after such a long time with a club you'd expect to be seeing better, especially as many of these guys are coming up to their prime.
For me with a lot of Wengers' pet projects we always seem to be waiting to see the potential become reality, in the end just like Diaby it never quite pans out, perhaps we should focus more on players who are proven rather than trying to make world beaters out of youngsters.
Niall_Quinn
25-01-2016, 04:39 PM
You can't help feeling these players would be a whole lot more consistent and might actually develop from season to season under a new management team. I don't know how we stack up against the competition, but is it normal for young players to come through the ranks and actually end up worse than when they started out?
mastermind84
25-01-2016, 07:26 PM
5 goals and only 3 assist from Ramsey this season. It's not good enough really.
He makes tackles. A lot. But in vital moments he's in the wrong position just like when we conceded the goal.
How many central midfielders in this league has 5 goals and 3 assists so far? I don't think it's as many as you may think.
Not denying he needs to improve a lot of aspects in his game but I really think Flamini is a major problem.
I would rather us get a better central midfielder this summer.
Power n Glory
25-01-2016, 07:37 PM
How many central midfielders in this league has 5 goals and 3 assists so far? I don't think it's as many as you may think.
Not denying he needs to improve a lot of aspects in his gas but I really think Flamini is a major problem.
I would rather us get a better central midfielder this summer.
I'll find out how many central midfield players have more but for the disruption he causes to our play, those stats aren't enough. And i've said this is another post recently, it's all too easy to blame Flamini. Before we signed Flamini and before Ramsey's good season, he was playing like this and he played along side Arteta. When he had his breakthrough season it didn't matter who he played with. First few weeks of the season when he was out best player he played alongside Flamini or Wilshere because Arteta was injured but that didn't have an effect on his form.
mastermind84
25-01-2016, 08:46 PM
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mastermind84
25-01-2016, 08:46 PM
I'll find out how many central midfield players have more but for the disruption he causes to our play, those stats aren't enough. And i've said this is another post recently, it's all too easy to blame Flamini. Before we signed Flamini and before Ramsey's good season, he was playing like this and he played along side Arteta. When he had his breakthrough season it didn't matter who he played with. First few weeks of the season when he was out best player he played alongside Flamini or Wilshere because Arteta was injured but that didn't have an effect on his form.
One of Ramsey's finest performances came in a 5-1 match versus West Ham where he sat deep and there was no Arteta. This was the half season where Alan Sugar trolled Spurs.
The second half of that season he put in fine and disciplined performances. There was a lot of fans who wanted Fellaini to come and Ramsey bossed him when we played them that season.
He has it in his locker but the goals have fucked his brain up.
Power n Glory
25-01-2016, 09:19 PM
One of Ramsey's finest performances came in a 5-1 match versus West Ham where he sat deep and there was no Arteta. This was the half season where Alan Sugar trolled Spurs.
The second half of that season he put in fine and disciplined performances. There was a lot of fans who wanted Fellaini to come and Ramsey bossed him when we played them that season.
He has it in his locker but the goals have fucked his brain up.
Totally. I don't know why the simple things have gone out of his game and he's gone goal hunting. He's not not attempting to build play from deep and it seems like he wants to get forward as quickly as possible. I agree, he has it in his locker to be a great player regardless of who he plays with. Wenger needs to have another word with him because his game got after they spoke. I can't remember if it was the West Ham game you're referring to but I remember he had a game where he just sat deep and kept the ball distribution simple and crisp. He just needs to get that back and understand his role and how that role is more important than anything else. Seeing how Santi has taken on that role should be a hint.
Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
25-01-2016, 11:28 PM
Ramsey's 8th season here!!!??? Fuhk me!
selassie
26-01-2016, 09:05 AM
Ramsey creates too
I think the big problem is just how bad Flamini is. He is only good when he man marks but he can't cover ground and is scared of the ball. There was a moment yesterday when Oxlade made a move on the right and the ball strayed a bit. Flamini was closest to the ball and coulda played it and made a move but instead he stood bad let Oxlade recover it and it ended up in one of Oxlade's dead end runs.
Ramsey also had more tackles and interceptions than Flamini yesterday. It was a huge difference too.
Jack wouldn't help this side at al but my hope is that he matures into the Cazorla role but I don't know if he has the nous for it.
Ramsey isn't even getting the basics right, that's my take on things anyway. I'm not saying he should create like Ozil or score like Lampard but he does need to improve his all round game. He needs to improve his distribution which at present is woeful, he needs to improve his use of the ball, he gets caught out on the ball way too many times because he holds onto it too long or runs down blind alleys, he needs to improve his positional awareness, why is he even moving into the false 9 position if we have Ozil? I agree that Flamini is a big problem too but they are both as bad as each other, Sunday was horrific prior to Merte's sending off, Ramsey & Flamini were all over the shop constantly out of position.
Ramsey does tackle but his poor use of the ball negates that.
I know I keep coming back to Jack but he has proven that he can hold a central midfield role for England and has showed that he has all the attributes needed to be a pure CM for us. Ramsey is on the flanks or on the bench for me until we get more bodies back, he can't be trusted in Central Midfield, he lacks discipline.
Ramsey isn't even getting the basics right, that's my take on things anyway. I'm not saying he should create like Ozil or score like Lampard but he does need to improve his all round game. He needs to improve his distribution which at present is woeful, he needs to improve his use of the ball, he gets caught out on the ball way too many times because he holds onto it too long or runs down blind alleys, he needs to improve his positional awareness, why is he even moving into the false 9 position if we have Ozil? I agree that Flamini is a big problem too but they are both as bad as each other, Sunday was horrific prior to Merte's sending off, Ramsey & Flamini were all over the shop constantly out of position.
Ramsey does tackle but his poor use of the ball negates that.
I know I keep coming back to Jack but he has proven that he can hold a central midfield role for England and has showed that he has all the attributes needed to be a pure CM for us. Ramsey is on the flanks or on the bench for me until we get more bodies back, he can't be trusted in Central Midfield, he lacks discipline.
By all account his figures were good on Sunday but the problem with Ramsey is, he tries too hard to be everything, everywhere, all the time. Our best passer on the day, second best in their half of the pitch, most succesful at going past a player, most recoveries, tackler, a couple of interceptions and he set up Flamini for one of our best chances. You can never fault his effort and his willingness to try to make something happen for the team but with Flamini playing as false 9 and Ramsey trying to put our fires and create more upfield, there is no synergy between them at all. Ramsey will stay in the team, rightfully, once Coq comes back.
Letters
26-01-2016, 09:20 AM
Ramsey's 8th season here!!!??? Fuhk me!
He was on loan for 2 of those though which is probably why it doesn't seem that long.
Power n Glory
26-01-2016, 09:33 AM
By all account his figures were good on Sunday but the problem with Ramsey is, he tries too hard to be everything, everywhere, all the time. Our best passer on the day, second best in their half of the pitch, most succesful at going past a player, most recoveries, tackler, a couple of interceptions and he set up Flamini for one of our best chances. You can never fault his effort and his willingness to try to make something happen for the team but with Flamini playing as false 9 and Ramsey trying to put our fires and create more upfield, there is no synergy between them at all. Ramsey will stay in the team, rightfully, once Coq comes back.
Just looking at the stats and didn't realise Theo created the most chances (3). On off day for Ozil. Only created 1 chance and his passing was off. 77% is pretty low but he made most of his passes in the attacking third.
Cesc Fabregas won the most tackels. :lol: 6/9.
Ramsey top for us with 5/7.
Flamini didn't make one successful tackle all game :doh:
mastermind84
26-01-2016, 04:38 PM
By all account his figures were good on Sunday but the problem with Ramsey is, he tries too hard to be everything, everywhere, all the time. Our best passer on the day, second best in their half of the pitch, most succesful at going past a player, most recoveries, tackler, a couple of interceptions and he set up Flamini for one of our best chances. You can never fault his effort and his willingness to try to make something happen for the team but with Flamini playing as false 9 and Ramsey trying to put our fires and create more upfield, there is no synergy between them at all. Ramsey will stay in the team, rightfully, once Coq comes back.
I feel you on this but he was playing with a nothing player in Flamini on Sunday.
I'm not a big Ramsey fan but Flamini should only step on the pitch when we are up 3 in the 85th minute, that's how bad he is.
Chippy
31-01-2016, 06:42 PM
Out for 6-8 weeks.
FFS.
Five months later, he is out for another six weeks! What a fucking joke! Get rid ASAP.
Marc Overmars
31-01-2016, 06:43 PM
Nobody could have predicted this.
Munchies
31-01-2016, 06:49 PM
Sell him to the first bidder in the Summer
big fuck up not selling him to City when they were desperate
McNamara That Ghost...
31-01-2016, 07:12 PM
I didn't think he was due back until March anyway?
Power n Glory
31-01-2016, 07:31 PM
I saw the headlines for this but did Wenger say he had a set back or that we're taking our time with his recovery?
I am invisible
31-01-2016, 08:21 PM
I think he just said that he was back in training, but it was gonna take about 6 weeks to get him match fit?
Sounds about right, to be honest - about the same amount of time you'd get for a pre-season...
You know what we should do?
Rush him back.
selassie
01-02-2016, 10:58 AM
It's difficult to assess the Wilshere situation because Wenger has been quite quiet about him of late which kind of leads me to think something isn't right behind the scenes, call me a cynic. Wenger has been quite vocal about the others but no mention of Wilshere.
Marc Overmars
01-02-2016, 11:01 AM
He's finished. Send him to the junk yard.
Hasn't Wenger denied these latest rumours?
Yes he has. Rosicky was injured in the 19 minutes he played :lol: and Wilshere is on the same come back arc as before.
selassie
01-02-2016, 11:47 AM
I'm glad these Wilshere setback rumours are false, I would like him back ASAP, still think he adds a lot of quality to the team when he is actually fit.
I am invisible
01-02-2016, 12:31 PM
Just to confirm...
Wenger confirms rosicky injury denies wilshere setback (http://news.arseblog.com/2016/02/wenger-confirms-rosicky-injury-denies-wilshere-setback/)
Xhaka Can’t
01-02-2016, 07:12 PM
Its impossible to have a setback when you're dead.
Wenger has reassured Hodgson about Wilshere will be available for Euro 2016 apparently. ROFL I'm not sure Hodgson has chosen to build a team around a chain smoking crock.
Wenger has reassured Hodgson about Wilshere will be available for Euro 2016 apparently. ROFL I'm not sure Hodgson has chosen to build a team around a chain smoking crock.
Great - as long as he's ready for the Euros...
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