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Munchies
01-12-2015, 10:15 PM
Update
https://twitter.com/19SCazorla/status/705012813144715266



:bow:

Xhaka Can’t
01-12-2015, 10:20 PM
This is beyond a tragic joke.

Niall_Quinn
01-12-2015, 10:26 PM
Who's due to be injured tomorrow? We can keep up this pace for about another 10 days and then we'll have to start recalling players from loan if we are serious about achieving an injury a day until Christmas.

Marc Overmars
01-12-2015, 10:33 PM
This is absurd.

Not a chance in hell of winning the league if this carries on, which it will of course.

Kano
01-12-2015, 10:47 PM
Bad news.

But we know the deal now. We're missing players and have to regroup and get behind the players that go out onto the pitch. Plenty talk of woe which is easy to do and all those bases have been covered. A long way to go until the end of the season so either we cry about it for 6 months or get on with what we have, the best we can.

Niall_Quinn
01-12-2015, 11:39 PM
Fair enough, but at the end of the season let's remember Wenger's penny pinching and his bizarre interpretation of value in a league that has no concept of the word has left us desperately short. And he's done this year after year after year. We're all on his latest vision quest now, whether we like it or not.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
02-12-2015, 01:04 AM
So which is the next game / competition we're turning our noses up at and throwing so that we can win the premier league which we are definitely winning this year........

mastermind84
02-12-2015, 01:07 AM
Ramsey back at CM tho

selassie
02-12-2015, 01:19 AM
Ramsey back at CM tho

Until he breaks down again. Look we have "Chambers", "Flamini", don't forget "Gibbs" can play there too.

Letters
02-12-2015, 07:41 AM
We're going to have loads of new signings in about 6 months. :cool:
Playing the long game :bow:

AFC Leveller
02-12-2015, 09:54 AM
The funny thing is he was booked for the "foul" which led up to the injury :lol:

Niall_Quinn
02-12-2015, 10:35 AM
The funny thing is he was booked for the "foul" which led up to the injury :lol:

His own fault, he should have rushed over and shoved Alexis into a TV camera and the ref might have been more lenient.

There seems to be a general glossing over of how filthy Norwich actually were. It was like a switch. We were all over them, the switch was flicked and every good honest English tactic came flooding out.

Remember when Azzaaahhh (in fact do you remember Azzahhhh?) was the most fouled playa in the league and the commentators were contracted to say, "Azzzahhh is the most fouled playa in the league", every 5 minutes? Santi gets kicked from pillar to post every match, he's quite a tough little bastard really but eventually something had to break. Same with Alexis, the general rule is kick him. Refs do fuck all about it. They should both change their name to Azzahhh.

selassie
02-12-2015, 11:17 AM
:lol:

Not sure how I got there but was on that Ryan Bennett's twitter page, the GHEL who pushed Sanchez into the camera man.

He put out a statement on his page saying he didn't mean to push Sanchez, apparently he put his hands out and pushed him because he was trying to stop...:rolleyes:

Power n Glory
02-12-2015, 11:21 AM
:lol:

Not sure how I got there but was on that Ryan Bennett's twitter page, the GHEL who pushed Sanchez into the camera man.

He put out a statement on his page saying he didn't mean to push Sanchez, apparently he put his hands out and pushed him because he was trying to stop...:rolleyes:

I believe him. Good honest lad. No reason to lie. :lol:

Kano
02-12-2015, 12:56 PM
:lol:

Not sure how I got there but was on that Ryan Bennett's twitter page, the GHEL who pushed Sanchez into the camera man.

He put out a statement on his page saying he didn't mean to push Sanchez, apparently he put his hands out and pushed him because he was trying to stop...:rolleyes:

Actually I think that is the truth, as you can see by the position he stops in, slightly bent over with his hands out, trying to keep his balance, so he used Sanchez to stop his own momentum.

But that doesn't excuse how reckless it was and the damage it could've caused. If a player goes over the ball by accident and cracks someones ankle bone, accident or not, it deserves a red. So the same applies here, without question.

selassie
02-12-2015, 02:21 PM
Actually I think that is the truth, as you can see by the position he stops in, slightly bent over with his hands out, trying to keep his balance, so he used Sanchez to stop his own momentum.

But that doesn't excuse how reckless it was and the damage it could've caused. If a player goes over the ball by accident and cracks someones ankle bone, accident or not, it deserves a red. So the same applies here, without question.

Yeah a bit like pushing someone over the cliff to save yourself from falling, I've heard that one before ;)

Marc Overmars
02-12-2015, 06:33 PM
He's out for 3 months. :haha:

Japan Shaking All Over
02-12-2015, 06:39 PM
This is a blow, that's for sure.......what are we going to do.....ahhhhhhh

Japan Shaking All Over
02-12-2015, 06:40 PM
Rambo is back.....what are the time frames for the others?

Kano
02-12-2015, 06:45 PM
Walcott this weekend apparently and Sanchez mid-December.

Niall_Quinn
02-12-2015, 07:01 PM
Walcott this weekend apparently and Sanchez mid-December.

Walcott back this weekend and injured the following weekend.

Kano
02-12-2015, 07:28 PM
#longtermsolution

AFC Leveller
02-12-2015, 09:32 PM
3 months is a huge blow, wonder if the ref still thinks it was worth a booking.

Injuries are not playing about this year, we simply cannot cope at this rate.

selassie
02-12-2015, 09:38 PM
Not entirely related to this topic but on a serious note we're going to need to get our act together pretty fast in the league despite all of the injuries. Liverpool & Spurs aren't messing about this season, don't really fancy a 4th place scrap with either side this season TBH, Liverpool especially are starting to really worry me.

Kano
02-12-2015, 10:15 PM
Fuck Spurs and Liverpool no hope of the title and they'll both scrap it out for fourth below us.

Chippy
02-12-2015, 10:28 PM
Fuck Spurs and Liverpool no hope of the title and they'll both scrap it out for fourth below us.
Really? Hate to say it, we will struggle to get fourth this year! Who gives a fuck anyway! We bail out early in the CL and don't spend the money!

Chippy
02-12-2015, 10:30 PM
#longtermsolution

We might get Kallstrom on loan if his back ok?

Letters
02-12-2015, 10:50 PM
Really? Hate to say it, we will struggle to get fourth this year!
I've lost count of how many years in a row people have been saying this...

Shaqiri Is Boss
02-12-2015, 10:56 PM
I've lost count of how many years in a row people have been saying this...

4.

Özim
03-12-2015, 08:19 AM
3 months is a huge blow, wonder if the ref still thinks it was worth a booking.

Injuries are not playing about this year, we simply cannot cope at this rate.

Who is really surprised, it happens ever year.

The only real surprise is that people questioned whether this would happen earlier in the season by saying if we don't get injuries to key players we can be in the mix.

IBK
03-12-2015, 09:47 AM
Not entirely related to this topic but on a serious note we're going to need to get our act together pretty fast in the league despite all of the injuries. Liverpool & Spurs aren't messing about this season, don't really fancy a 4th place scrap with either side this season TBH, Liverpool especially are starting to really worry me.

There can be no doubting the quality of their manager, I agree - although Sturridge will be injured again before too long, I'm sure.

I think we'll finish top 4 because that's what we do. But what worries me is our utter inability to capitalise on other teams' slip ups. Which is why we won't win the league.

Munchies
06-12-2015, 10:43 PM
Fuck!!

https://twitter.com/johncrossmirror/status/673632670216269824

Kano
06-12-2015, 11:05 PM
Oh grow a pair will ya.

Marc Overmars
06-12-2015, 11:08 PM
He'll be like a new signing next summer.

AFC Leveller
07-12-2015, 07:30 AM
Chat shit get dead.

Niall_Quinn
07-12-2015, 08:55 AM
I guess the 500th deliberate kick ignored by the refs did the trick.

Well done the GHELs.

Niall_Quinn
07-12-2015, 09:06 AM
So now we'll have to buy in January and unless we get super lucky (Wenger's wallet can be prised open simultaneously with a decent player becoming available) we'll be bringing dross in as cover as nothing else will be available.

It was so OBVIOUS a mistake not to sign quality in this area of the pitch when we had a chance in the summer. Negligence not to do it. Injuries can't be used as an excuse this time around. We had the squad, we had the money to build a buffer against our usual injury crisis, he didn't do it. Skinflint's fault.

IBK
07-12-2015, 09:39 AM
So now we'll have to buy in January and unless we get super lucky (Wenger's wallet can be prised open simultaneously with a decent player becoming available) we'll be bringing dross in as cover as nothing else will be available.

It was so OBVIOUS a mistake not to sign quality in this area of the pitch when we had a chance in the summer. Negligence not to do it. Injuries can't be used as an excuse this time around. We had the squad, we had the money to build a buffer against our usual injury crisis, he didn't do it. Skinflint's fault.

I think the frustrating thing is that while it was working, our MF was already a mix and match. Coquelin was almost a fortunate accident, and Santi had to adapt to a position that wasn't his own. A 'specialist' DM was the obvious choice, but the manager seems to prefer to gamble. Every time.

LDG
07-12-2015, 09:46 AM
If he wants someone similar, lets get shaquiri from Stoke. He was fucking awesome the other day.

Dein-machine
07-12-2015, 10:21 AM
If he wants someone similar, lets get shaquiri from Stoke. He was fucking awesome the other day.

Yeh but Wenger told us there was absolutely no quality out there last summer that could improve our team, must be just a bit of luck that other managers from lesser clubs have been able to buy players that would get straight into out 1st 11.

AFC Leveller
07-12-2015, 10:43 AM
If we are still in the hunt in January (and it looks like we will) then Wenger has no excuses this time, if he doesnt strengthen properly and give the team the needed quality to go and win the title, then he HAS to be sacked, simple.

Anybody can beat anybody this season, some of the results have been very surprising and it will continue to be like that. We cannot stand still waiting for the dead men to come back, we have to go for it properly.

Marc Overmars
07-12-2015, 10:55 AM
I've got a feeling he will buy next month. I think this wave of injuries has fucked with his plans more so than any other year.

selassie
07-12-2015, 11:17 AM
Wenger is going to have break from his "philosophy" and pay inflated fees to potentially save our season. He has absolutely no excuses not to buy in the January Window. He simply has to because we can't rely on what we currently have in Midfield even when the likes of Wilshere, Arteta & Rosicky come back.

Edited to add: I do have a horrible feeling that Wenger won't buy though, I think he'll say that Wilshere & Rosicky is enough to cover for Santi and that in Midfield we have Ramsey, Flamini, Arteta & Chambers, there was even talk of Iwobi playing in Midfield, saw some article on the website about how he's been excelling in that position for the U21's.

Özim
07-12-2015, 11:46 AM
Wenger won't buy IMO and even if he does it won't be anyone who'll make an ounce of difference, we've heard it all before from him.

By the time January comes 12 of our players will be "very close to returning" (i.e. should be back within 6 months) and he won't find anyone of the quality he requires (a nonsense term he uses when he doesn't want to buy but wants to pretend that he's trying his best).

He won't pay a penny over the value he puts on a player which is often much lower than any decent club would sell unless they were absolutely desperate, in addition most decent clubs won't let players go in January unless they get an offer they can't refuse as in all likelyness they won't find a replacement.

Let's not kid ourselves anymore like we do ever transfer window, I've heard allsorts banded about every year and all that happens is we end up disappointed when we sign noone or some crock like Kallstrom. Wenger isn't some normal manager who see's his squad is short and tries to fix it with transfers, he's a guy that tries to fix it with delusional ideas, ridiculous belief in the players he's assembled and square pegs in round holes tactics.

As a great man once said, fool me once, shame on..shame on me
...............................
A fool me can't get fooled again.

Bumble
07-12-2015, 12:24 PM
I don't think we will sign anyone in January, we will still be at the top or near the top of the league and we all know that only if our CL place is under threat do we really push the boat out. He will see the fact that no team can get a consistent run together as a chance despite the injuries and with players returning like Wilshere and Welbeck in the new year, why sign anyone.

Interesting though we are behind United and level with City on the injury list table.

Letters
07-12-2015, 03:58 PM
Yeah, I don't think we'l sign anyone of note either. And I agree if we fall away because of it he should be sacked.

LDG
07-12-2015, 04:05 PM
Yeah, I don't think we'l sign anyone of note either. And I agree if we fall away because of it he should be sacked.

He should be sacked if we fall away, regardless of signings.

Niall_Quinn
07-12-2015, 04:13 PM
He should be sacked if we fall away, regardless of signings.

Only reason we haven't fallen away already is everyone else bought a self destruct button in the summer. My benchmark for the minimum acceptable standard is 2 points per game, which is what we are on. The chavs and gypos are having shockers considering the levels of investment and the same could be said for the chequebook flop at Utd. Hence Leicester are leading the way. I almost hope they win it. They won't, but it'd be such a laugh if they did. Pellegrini, Maureen, Wenger and van Genius against the wall and a firing squad to do their duty.

Letters
07-12-2015, 04:13 PM
He should be sacked if we fall away, regardless of signings.

Well yes, but if we do the lack of signings will most likely be the biggest factor.

Letters
07-12-2015, 04:16 PM
Hence Leicester are leading the way. I almost hope they win it. They won't, but it'd be such a laugh if they did. Pellegrini, Maureen, Wenger and van Genius against the wall and a firing squad to do their duty.
I would love it, just love it, if Leicester win it.
But no, they won't.

I can't work out of the top sides of got worse or 'the others' have got better and made it all more competitive.

fakeyank
07-12-2015, 04:26 PM
Wanayama please :pray:

Marc Overmars
07-12-2015, 04:51 PM
I would love it, just love it, if Leicester win it.
But no, they won't.

I can't work out of the top sides of got worse or 'the others' have got better and made it all more competitive.

I think the others are much better thanks to the cash injection from the new TV deal, they can now pay the kind of transfer fees and wages previously only reserved for the top 5 or 6 clubs. The league is a heck of a lot more competitive, no one really fears anyone anymore.

Though doesn't really explain what Leicester have done this year, they were dead and buried 9 months ago then suddenly went mental and avoided relegation. Now they're top of the league with mostly the same squad. :wacko:

IBK
07-12-2015, 05:25 PM
I would love it, just love it, if Leicester win it.
But no, they won't.

I can't work out of the top sides of got worse or 'the others' have got better and made it all more competitive.

*WENGER BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ALERT*

As regards our 'traditional' competitors, maybe:

1. As Wenger says there really aren't (m)any 'world class' players to bring in to make the difference?

2. The frenetic nature of our league is taking its toll, both as regards injuries (Citeh and Manure are currently having shockers too), and on the ability of players with good reps abroad to replicate this in the EPL. Maybe its no coincidence that a more 'traditional' team like Leicester is proving better suited for our league?

3. Our squad - with Wenger's obsession with players being able to fill multiple positions - is as resilient as those of our more illustrious competitors?

4. Any team really can beat any other - which puts our disappointing results into context?

...just sayin...

Kano
07-12-2015, 06:25 PM
He should be sacked if we fall away, regardless of signings.

Perhaps but he definitely won't be.

Kano
07-12-2015, 06:29 PM
I would love it, just love it, if Leicester win it.
But no, they won't.

I can't work out of the top sides of got worse or 'the others' have got better and made it all more competitive.

The top sides in the league have got worse, without question. A good way to double check that is seeing how poorly they are faring the CL. Only City certain of qualification and even that may be in second, while three could drop out into Europa, or qualify in second at best. Those that do get through have no hope of winning it at all. The squads of all traditional top four clubs are pretty average and even the first elevens are mostly uneven and lacking in areas. And of course, the standard of play most weekends is pretty diabolical.

Niall_Quinn
07-12-2015, 07:07 PM
The top sides in the league have got worse, without question.

Agreed. Too much money, too many mercenaries, you have to keep renewing the contracts of these fuckers every 2 years or they'll piss off in a flash. Life is way, way too easy for the players at the top of the English game. What does it take to be an International now? One good write up from the cockgobbler Ashton. What does it take to steal £300k per week? Ask fatty. Sterling is a £50mill playa after half a decent season.

The top teams massively underperform. Not enough Alexis Sanchez and way too much Yaya Toure. Still some good pros out there but a lot of the "stars" are utter wank. Look at Azzah - he's an embarrassment.

Munchies
01-03-2016, 11:01 PM
Daily Mirror (John Cross) just said that Santi had a setback and will miss the whole season.
https://twitter.com/br_uk/status/704799174726803456

Wilshere :pray:

Marc Overmars
01-03-2016, 11:08 PM
Our midfield. :rose:

Xhaka Can’t
01-03-2016, 11:20 PM
Daily Mirror (John Cross) just said that Santi had a setback and will miss the whole season.
https://twitter.com/br_uk/status/704799174726803456

Wilshere :pray:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

Kano
01-03-2016, 11:38 PM
Wenger has confirmed the Achilles set back so we won't be seeing Santi until next season for sure.

Niall_Quinn
01-03-2016, 11:54 PM
We are surely top of the setbacks league.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
02-03-2016, 12:31 AM
What I find interesting is the chronic scepticism which really wasn't too long ago abut Cazorla and Coquelin....Mostly peddled by Gary Neville Spanish management sensation and gooner podcasters convinced they were not good enough to win a league, but now people are lusting for that duo.

The good old days hey.....

Niall_Quinn
02-03-2016, 01:49 AM
Truth of it is Cazorla is not a long term solution for the team either. He did a lot better than most, being forced into a new role by the cheapskate in charge. Better Cazorla that Flamini, but what was really needed was for Wenger to show a bit of ambition in the transfer windows. Fat chance of that. As it turns out Cazorla is the best we have for the position.

Kano
02-03-2016, 07:59 AM
What I find interesting is the chronic scepticism which really wasn't too long ago abut Cazorla and Coquelin....Mostly peddled by Gary Neville Spanish management sensation and gooner podcasters convinced they were not good enough to win a league, but now people are lusting for that duo.

The good old days hey.....
We were at least playing with some sort of cohesion with Cazorla in the side and Ramsey doing what he does best on the wing, which is run. Since then we've become a pub side relying on set pieces to score.

selassie
02-03-2016, 08:07 AM
We're pretty screwed TBH, we're not winning anything with Ramsey & Coq in midfield. Apparently Wenger said Jack is 3-4 weeks ago, I'm sure he said the same thing last time he was asked 3-4 weeks ago! :lol:

Kano
02-03-2016, 08:17 AM
Jack just to be counted as out permanently. He is another Diaby. He'll never get back on the pitch and stay there season in, season out. An absolute waste of time, money and effort.

Marc Overmars
02-03-2016, 08:21 AM
What I find interesting is the chronic scepticism which really wasn't too long ago abut Cazorla and Coquelin....Mostly peddled by Gary Neville Spanish management sensation and gooner podcasters convinced they were not good enough to win a league, but now people are lusting for that duo.

The good old days hey.....

I think it's more lusting after something that doesn't include Ramsey in the middle.

selassie
02-03-2016, 08:23 AM
Jack just to be counted as out permanently. He is another Diaby. He'll never get back on the pitch and stay there season in, season out. An absolute waste of time, money and effort.

Yeah it's looking that way sadly. Wenger needs to sort out Central Midfield this summer, he has a big job on his hands. I'm starting to think we're going to need a BIG signing in there, a pure CM if you will, let the likes of Jack, Santi & Ramsey fight for their places.

Niall_Quinn
02-03-2016, 08:48 AM
Bet if we get rid of Wenger there will be fewer injuries too. Somehow, he's the cause.

AFC Leveller
02-03-2016, 08:49 AM
With the amount of money we have sitting in the bank, im sure we could have signed a better player than Elneny.

Power n Glory
02-03-2016, 09:24 AM
We were at least playing with some sort of cohesion with Cazorla in the side and Ramsey doing what he does best on the wing, which is run. Since then we've become a pub side relying on set pieces to score.

The cohesion has been gone for a long time. That season where we sold Cesc and Nasri and were thrashed 8-2 by Utd was the start of it. Ramsey and Coquelin played together in the middle for that game funny enough. But Ramsey was quickly moved further up the pitch with Arteta and Song playing the duo in 11/12 season. He wasn't any good higher up the pitch either. Only 3 goals and 6 assists. Alex Song had a stand out season with 14 assists and he was our CM even though most people thought it was Arteta. I really don't know where else Ramsey can play or what other combination of players we can try. He doesn't work well with Wilshere, Coquelin, Flamini...Arteta is finished.....

Cazorla can have some patchy games. He's not really consistent but he's so much better than Ramsey and one of the few players that can cope with teams pressing high up the pitch. We need to go back to the drawing board on CM because Cazorla isn't a long term solution. We shouldn't have sold Song so quickly. We really need to sort this position out along with buying a top class striker. Two biggest mistakes we've made was getting rid of Song and RVP.

Niall_Quinn
02-03-2016, 09:47 AM
Let's not go overboard on Ramsey, he's not a bad player. It's just he's not capable of doing the stupid shit Wenger wants him to do. Cazorla has much better command of the ball in tight spaces. He's slightly more accurate with his passing - he also gives the ball away A LOT considering we're supposedly a possession team. This isn't Cazorla's fault either. Wenger prefers a system that may move the ball quickly, too quickly most of the time, but the players don't move. Have you noticed? It's child's play to pressure us. As soon as we get beyond the comfort zone of our back four screwing around with their sideways possession passing, tapping it on to the midfielder coming deep, back, tap, you know the drill - as soon as we get out of that comfort zone everything goes to shit unless we somehow make the million point bonus pinball shot. Our strikers don't get in the box, our "wide" players come deep and central, whenever a player like Ramsey or Cazorla or Ozil looks up to try to pick a pass they have two options, play it back to keep the possession or try for the 1 in 3 pass whilst under pressure from the marker who can just stroll up and cover due to the lack of movement. On the other hand, when we occasionally, rarely, once in a blue moon inject a bit of pace and use the flanks, then we look dangerous and things happen. It's this stupid manager. He makes our players look brain dead. His stupid tactics, his stupid ideas that don't work. You get the impression Alexis has said, fuck that, I'm doing my own thing because that shit isn't working and will never work. Wenger destroys the basics so three times a season we can marvel at some balletic passage of play that relies more on statistical chance than technical execution.

selassie
02-03-2016, 09:48 AM
With the amount of money we have sitting in the bank, im sure we could have signed a better player than Elneny.

Of course we could, it was a ridiculous signing and we're now banking on Ramsey, Coq & him pushing us over the line, it's bonkers TBH.

Wenger even said he wasn't ready for PL a couple of weeks back, why buy him then? He's literally no use to us this season.

Power n Glory
02-03-2016, 10:11 AM
Let's not go overboard on Ramsey, he's not a bad player. It's just he's not capable of doing the stupid shit Wenger wants him to do. Cazorla has much better command of the ball in tight spaces. He's slightly more accurate with his passing - he also gives the ball away A LOT considering we're supposedly a possession team. This isn't Cazorla's fault either. Wenger prefers a system that may move the ball quickly, too quickly most of the time, but the players don't move. Have you noticed? It's child's play to pressure us. As soon as we get beyond the comfort zone of our back four screwing around with their sideways possession passing, tapping it on to the midfielder coming deep, back, tap, you know the drill - as soon as we get out of that comfort zone everything goes to shit unless we somehow make the million point bonus pinball shot. Our strikers don't get in the box, our "wide" players come deep and central, whenever a player like Ramsey or Cazorla or Ozil looks up to try to pick a pass they have two options, play it back to keep the possession or try for the 1 in 3 pass whilst under pressure from the marker who can just stroll up and cover due to the lack of movement. On the other hand, when we occasionally, rarely, once in a blue moon inject a bit of pace and use the flanks, then we look dangerous and things happen. It's this stupid manager. He makes our players look brain dead. His stupid tactics, his stupid ideas that don't work. You get the impression Alexis has said, fuck that, I'm doing my own thing because that shit isn't working and will never work. Wenger destroys the basics so three times a season we can marvel at some balletic passage of play that relies more on statistical chance than technical execution.

But what is that? What instructions is Wenger giving to Ramsey that's different to what he's asked of Cazorla and producing drastically different results? You have two players that play as CM and the way they approach the role is totally different. Cazorla goes looking for touches of the ball to help build up play but Ramsey doesn't. Cazorla will go deep and make himself available for the pass from deep in the first phase of play and work the ball until we reach the final third. Ramsey seems to avoid doing that and wants the ball higher up the pitch in most cases. I don't get how and why Wenger would be giving separate instructions for the same role. It just seems like a free for all and players can do what they want. Just look how different Flamini plays the DM role compared to Coquelin and Arteta.

As for our philosophy, it seems like we don't have one. The pass pass pass stuff you say is dead. We struggle to pass the ball. Most of our goals are coming from direct play or good counter attacks. The stuff we saw during the Cesc era is over. We no longer create several clear cut chances for our players. We can't. We create chances but the quality isn't the same as before. It used to be a case where we'd struggle against teams sitting deep but really carve open teams that attack us and that's not even true anymore. We struggle against any team with any style.

IBK
02-03-2016, 10:44 AM
Ramsey has stunk out the place recently, but I have some sympathy for him. The truth is that he is being asked to fulfill a number of roles for this team - none of which suit his natural game. If the Coq was a distributor of the ball as well as a DM, Ramsey would thrive alongside him. I'd like to see Ramsey play higher up the pitch, but as PNG says, Wenger is wedded to a passing game that no longer has any real purpose, and this wont happen.

Gooner23
02-03-2016, 11:34 AM
Of course we could, it was a ridiculous signing and we're now banking on Ramsey, Coq & him pushing us over the line, it's bonkers TBH.

Wenger even said he wasn't ready for PL a couple of weeks back, why buy him then? He's literally no use to us this season.

This reeks of another low budget gamble by a tight ass manager, as opposed to any great master plan. I am willing to give Elneny the benefit of the doubt until he's had a run of games, but surely we needed someone ready to step in right away. An upgrade on what we already have. Also means making another CM signing in the summer could be out of the question if Wenger is still in charge. I bloody well hope not, but not holding my breath.

Niall_Quinn
02-03-2016, 11:52 AM
This reeks of another low budget gamble by a tight ass manager, as opposed to any great master plan. I am willing to give Elneny the benefit of the doubt until he's had a run of games, but surely we needed someone ready to step in right away. An upgrade on what we already have. Also means making another CM signing in the summer could be out of the question if Wenger is still in charge. I bloody well hope not, but not holding my breath.

It's tough on kids like Elneny and Sanogo and the others who have vanished into the bottomless pit at this club. Of course they want to come here and play for a club with such a great tradition and history. Based in London no less. Playing with the likes of Ozil. In the Emirates Stadium. It's tough when the tired fans look on and ask, WHO FFS!? All very unfair on the player, but all the more reason to condemn the manager.

mastermind84
02-03-2016, 12:23 PM
Truth of it is Cazorla is not a long term solution for the team either. He did a lot better than most, being forced into a new role by the cheapskate in charge. Better Cazorla that Flamini, but what was really needed was for Wenger to show a bit of ambition in the transfer windows. Fat chance of that. As it turns out Cazorla is the best we have for the position.
Our records with and without Cazorla are almost exactly the same.


We need to upgrade on Cazorla. Wenger needs to buy a player like Xhaka or the player himself. We will probably see better from Ramsey since he won't have to control the match. (Also less Coquelin as he has shown his game cannot expand past destroyer mode as well)

The Ramsey hate is ridiculous at this point. He is a very talented player.

Munchies
02-03-2016, 01:00 PM
He just said the reports are BS and he's back in April!

https://twitter.com/19SCazorla/status/705012813144715266

Like a new signing :bow:

GP
02-03-2016, 01:18 PM
April fools day?

Static
02-03-2016, 03:01 PM
Is that even his official account? It isn't verified.

GP
02-03-2016, 03:25 PM
Yes it is.

Letters
02-03-2016, 03:29 PM
Wenger :bow:

Kano
02-03-2016, 03:33 PM
Wenger said yesterday that he had a problem with his Achilles that hadn't expected that would cause a delay. A couple of weeks ago Cazorla said he was aiming for the Barcelona return game. So there has been a problem.

Munchies
02-03-2016, 04:18 PM
Is that even his official account? It isn't verified.


if you click on the link, it shows the blue verified tick on the side, and the account has near 2m followers

Static
02-03-2016, 04:59 PM
if you click on the link, it shows the blue verified tick on the side, and the account has near 2m followers

Ah I see the tick now. It wasn't showing up before. Hopefully he hits the ground running.

Marc Overmars
02-03-2016, 05:09 PM
April 1st. :lol:

What an appropriate date.

Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
02-03-2016, 08:51 PM
Physical stature aside Cazorla was always a good fit for a central role and we know that he had played there for his last cub so I'm not sure it should have been the surprise it was that he dictated things there and performed as admirably as he did.

His goal scoring has been terrible the last year or so but he is one of those payers that offer technical stability...... Either physical stability or technical stability is required in midfield if not both and he was the latter It was only age against him to my mind and people paid far too much attention to his size.

He cannot come back quickly enough.....