Winter Transfer Speculation

[Power n Glory]

Reports say Barca want Ramsey. £50m. :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Reports say Barca want Ramsey. £50m. :lol:

:pray:

Pray like you've never prayed before.

[milla]

Would like to have Afobe back at Arsenal, he is the best player from our academy (same generation as Jack and Gibbs). No surprise he is now back with PL, his goal scoring with Wolves is phenomenal.

Ramsey to Barca for £50million? Make it happen Wenget. :coffee:

[I am invisible]

I think that's fine if it's Ox or Walcott keeping him on the bench. But it's ridiculous to play Ramsey on the wing over him. That's something I can't understand.
I'm probably one of the few gooners who doesn't mind Ramsey on the right, and didn't think he was doing a bad job there? Not a natural winger, but he was linking up well with Bellerin and providing decent cover down that side, he wasn't afraid to take people on, and was getting on the end of chances. I can certainly understand why Wenger would try and find a place in the side for someone who wasn't far off being the best player in the league at one point, and why Campbell had to wait for his chance.

The only real issue I have with it, is that Ramsey (like most British players) doesnt seem to be able to get his head out of his arse about not playing in what he regards as is his best position, and I never feel like he's fully embracing where he's put?

[Master Splinter]

Would like to have Afobe back at Arsenal, he is the best player from our academy (same generation as Jack and Gibbs). No surprise he is now back with PL, his goal scoring with Wolves is phenomenal.

Ramsey to Barca for £50million? Make it happen Wenget. :coffee:

Phenomenal?

Really?

[I am invisible]

Reports say Barca want Ramsey. £50m. :lol:
50 million clams!!! He's not even a proper winger! And, let's be honest, he should never have been in ahead of Campbell...

[milla]

Phenomenal?

Really?

Not as phenomenal as you buddy :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

Guys, calm down a bit. A few semi-decent performances (which is what we have seen from Campbell) does not make a world class player. The trick is for Campbell to lock down his place and then keep putting in the performances and keep improving. We are a while from that yet because we all know he won't be getting the games once the injured starters are back.

Ramsey has show us he is a world class player. He has also shown us he is inconsistent and prone to dramatic dips in form and a long recovery period when he is hit by injury. But still, all the ingredients for a world class talent are in place. Given our transfer policy we'd struggle to replace him if we let him go. This will be media bullshit anyway.

As was the case last season, we have to settle on a squad now and build not just a one-off title winning team but a team that can compete for the title every season. At his age and with his experience Ramsey is surely a key component in that. We can't afford to let him go if we are serious about football rather than business. And we can't afford to replace him with Campbell until Campbell proves he is at that level, which he hasn't done yet.

Too much judged on just a handful of games.

[Master Splinter]

Not as phenomenal as you buddy :coffee:

OK :coffee:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yeah let's break up a title challenging team; it has always worked for us in the past.

Having said that, Barca have only just been able to start playing Arda Turan and Aleix Vidal so I think I will consign this to the absolute bollocks bin.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Ramsey to Barca for £50million? Make it happen Wenget. :coffee:

:doh::doh:

Why sell one of the most talented central midfielders in Europe for no reason? We don't need the money.


Not going to happen.

1) Wenger loves Ramsey and won't sell at any cost.
2) As a GHWL Ramsey doesn't have any ambition to head down to Spain as long as we remain reasonably competitive (which we are).

[Kano]

Campbell has done well since he got his chance but a long way to go until he can claim a to be a regular starter when we have a fully fit squad (...). Ramsey still has to iron out some issues but he is a certified starter almost every week and if that means on the right, then so be it. He doesn't like it out there of course but he added a lot to our play in that position. Barca can fuck right off if this is true. Which it isn't of course.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Campbell has done well since he got his chance but a long way to go until he can claim a to be a regular starter when we have a fully fit squad (...). Ramsey still has to iron out some issues but he is a certified starter almost every week and if that means on the right, then so be it. He doesn't like it out there of course but he added a lot to our play in that position. Barca can fuck right off if this is true. Which it isn't of course.

This.

Ramsey's industry, work rate and his goal threat, pretty much makes him undroppable.

[fakeyank]

when we have a fully fit squad

:haha:

[milla]

:haha:

It's really almost as funny as your face dooddd.. :coffee:

[Power n Glory]

I'm probably one of the few gooners who doesn't mind Ramsey on the right, and didn't think he was doing a bad job there? Not a natural winger, but he was linking up well with Bellerin and providing decent cover down that side, he wasn't afraid to take people on, and was getting on the end of chances. I can certainly understand why Wenger would try and find a place in the side for someone who wasn't far off being the best player in the league at one point, and why Campbell had to wait for his chance.

The only real issue I have with it, is that Ramsey (like most British players) doesnt seem to be able to get his head out of his arse about not playing in what he regards as is his best position, and I never feel like he's fully embracing where he's put?

I don't agree with playing him there. It hampers his own development. As you can see, his positional awareness needs work when playing as CM. More discipline and simplicity. Giving him a role on the wing just encourages him to disregard positional awareness even further because he drifts all over the pitch and is just head hunting for goals. Looking for ways to get into the box and score instead of building up play. Besides that, it hampers the development of a proper winger like Campbell. Ramsey never scored or got assists from the wing even though he didn't do too badly. But he wasn't effective.

[Power n Glory]

Guys, calm down a bit. A few semi-decent performances (which is what we have seen from Campbell) does not make a world class player. The trick is for Campbell to lock down his place and then keep putting in the performances and keep improving. We are a while from that yet because we all know he won't be getting the games once the injured starters are back.

Ramsey has show us he is a world class player. He has also shown us he is inconsistent and prone to dramatic dips in form and a long recovery period when he is hit by injury. But still, all the ingredients for a world class talent are in place. Given our transfer policy we'd struggle to replace him if we let him go. This will be media bullshit anyway.

As was the case last season, we have to settle on a squad now and build not just a one-off title winning team but a team that can compete for the title every season. At his age and with his experience Ramsey is surely a key component in that. We can't afford to let him go if we are serious about football rather than business. And we can't afford to replace him with Campbell until Campbell proves he is at that level, which he hasn't done yet.

Too much judged on just a handful of games.

On what basis has Ramsey proven he's world class?

[Niall_Quinn]

On what basis has Ramsey proven he's world class?

Seriously? A couple of seasons back there can't have been a better midfielder in Europe. Then the injury and never the same since. But he's shown he has it in him.

[hobson's choice]

:doh::doh:

Why sell one of the most talented central midfielders in Europe for no reason? We don't need the money.


Not going to happen.

1) Wenger loves Ramsey and won't sell at any cost.
2) As a GHWL Ramsey doesn't have any ambition to head down to Spain as long as we remain reasonably competitive (which we are).

Cause he's actually not one off the most talented central midfieders, he's a talent, but a great central midfielder, he aint.

[hobson's choice]

Seriously? A couple of seasons back there can't have been a better midfielder in Europe. Then the injury and never the same since. But he's shown he has it in him.

He scores goals, but he's a very flawed central midfielder

[Power n Glory]

Seriously? A couple of seasons back there can't have been a better midfielder in Europe. Then the injury and never the same since. But he's shown he has it in him.

1 very good season out of 8? Do you know how many players can be classed as World Class if that's the criteria? Heck, Julio Baptista is World Class in that case. Walcott is too if we're going to talk about form before his injury. Heck, Vardy, Benteke and Lukaku can be classed as World Class too.

[selassie]

He scores goals, but he's a very flawed central midfielder

I don't think Wenger sees Ramsey as a Central Midfield irrespective of what Ramsey thinks.

Ramsey has a place in our starting XI for me due to his engine and his eye for goal, but unless we completely restructure central midfield Ramsey has no place there long term.

The fact that we have added to Central Midfield and are linked heavily to Rabiot tells me that Wenger doesn't see Ramsey's future in the middle.

I think Ramsey works well on the flanks, like Ljungberg and Parlour did back in the good old days and they were both Central/Attacking midfielders by trade. Ramsey adds balance to the team IMO, and when we have our strongest XI he doesn't look out of place on the flanks.

[GP]

Ramsey is integral and one of the first names on the team sheet.

He's not going anywhere, certainly not for as little as £50m.

[Kano]

I think Ramsey works well on the flanks, like Ljungberg and Parlour did back in the good old days and they were both Central/Attacking midfielders by trade. Ramsey adds balance to the team IMO, and when we have our strongest XI he doesn't look out of place on the flanks.

Exactly how I see him too. He has the knack for timing his runs off the wing and while you won’t see him get to the byline to swing in a cross, hardly any of our wide players do that anyway, so it doesn’t affect our play. I think Wenger likes him out there because he offers security in defence and of course adds to the numbers in the middle when he drifts in.

[Power n Glory]

The problem is he doesn't score goals or assist from the wing.

[selassie]

The problem is he doesn't score goals or assist from the wing.

I think in time that will come, he's been on a bit of a barren spell goal wise for a while now though has chipped in recently with a few goals albeit from the centre. He most definitely needs to up his game with assists, he has it in him.

He was certainly getting himself into good positions and missed a few sitters when out on the flanks earlier on in the season, Man United being the main one.

I do see both the "for and against" argument with having out wide, despite that I think that's his best place at the moment, he's not disciplined enough to hold things together in Central Midfield, not with any of his potential partners.

[Power n Glory]

Rosicky is back in training! Whey hey! He' finally won his war on drugs and ready to play again.

[Power n Glory]

I think in time that will come, he's been on a bit of a barren spell goal wise for a while now though has chipped in recently with a few goals albeit from the centre. He most definitely needs to up his game with assists, he has it in him.

He was certainly getting himself into good positions and missed a few sitters when out on the flanks earlier on in the season, Man United being the main one.

I do see both the "for and against" argument with having out wide, despite that I think that's his best place at the moment, he's not disciplined enough to hold things together in Central Midfield, not with any of his potential partners.

He lacks discipline in the middle but I’d rather we straighten that part of his game out instead of going for the quick fix. He won’t have a future here at Arsenal as a wide player and he won’t want to stay here if that were his permanent role.

[selassie]

He lacks discipline in the middle but I’d rather we straighten that part of his game out instead of going for the quick fix. He won’t have a future here at Arsenal as a wide player and he won’t want to stay here if that were his permanent role.

Yeah I hear ya, though I'm kind of in two minds with this. I don't feel comfortable with us essentially developing his discipline via game time in the centre when we are in the middle of challenging for the title. Also when we get some bodies back I think Santi & Jack are better options for us in the centre, especially if they are to be partnered with Coquelin or the new lad, Elneny.

Given the number of injuries we get, Ramsey wll still get games in the Centre even though his first choice role might be out wide.

Also, Wenger seems to be very high on Rabiot, if he's brought in then he will start in the Centre and ahead of Ramsey IMO.

Regarding your last point, yeah I think we may end up facing this problem regarding his long term future and where he sees himself, I think the best way he can overcome this is by taking his chance now and making himself un droppable from that position.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah I hear ya, though I'm kind of in two minds with this. I don't feel comfortable with us essentially developing his discipline via game time in the centre when we are in the middle of challenging for the title. Also when we get some bodies back I think Santi & Jack are better options for us in the centre, especially if they are to be partnered with Coquelin or the new lad, Elneny.

Given the number of injuries we get, Ramsey wll still get games in the Centre even though his first choice role might be out wide.

Also, Wenger seems to be very high on Rabiot, if he's brought in then he will start in the Centre and ahead of Ramsey IMO.

Regarding your last point, yeah I think we may end up facing this problem regarding his long term future and where he sees himself, I think the best way he can overcome this is by taking his chance now and making himself un droppable from that position.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of on the job training but since we don’t have many options for CM at the moment and I wouldn’t drop Campbell right now, I hope Ramsey finds his feet again. If not, he’s in trouble. Even without new signings, he’ll see his game time cut if he doesn’t knuckle down.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Guys, do bear in mind that Ramsey's been parterned with Flamini for this run in, who's hardly the best DM around right now. I think you'd see a better Ramsey alongside Coquelin, who offers more discpline and defensive security.

Central midfield is often about parternerships and understandings. It's clear that combined Flamini and Ramsey doesn't work well in games where you need to dictate tempo, however that doesn't mean Ramsey/Coquelin or Ramsey/Elneny couldn't. So let's not completely dismiss Ramsey's chances of seizing the future CM berth especially considering his beast mode form he displayed there a couple of years ago.

[Power n Glory]

Guys, do bear in mind that Ramsey's been parterned with Flamini for this run in, who's hardly the best DM around right now. I think you'd see a better Ramsey alongside Coquelin, who offers more discpline and defensive security.

Central midfield is often about parternerships and understandings. It's clear that combined Flamini and Ramsey doesn't work well in games where you need to dictate tempo, however that doesn't mean Ramsey/Coquelin or Ramsey/Elneny couldn't. So let's not completely dismiss Ramsey's chances of seizing the future CM berth especially considering his beast mode form he displayed there a couple of years ago.

True. Hopefully he’s better with someone else in the middle. But he’s had similar problems when playing with Arteta and Wilshere. It’s a worry.

[Kano]

Guys, do bear in mind that Ramsey's been parterned with Flamini for this run in, who's hardly the best DM around right now. I think you'd see a better Ramsey alongside Coquelin, who offers more discpline and defensive security.

Central midfield is often about parternerships and understandings. It's clear that combined Flamini and Ramsey doesn't work well in games where you need to dictate tempo, however that doesn't mean Ramsey/Coquelin or Ramsey/Elneny couldn't. So let's not completely dismiss Ramsey's chances of seizing the future CM berth especially considering his beast mode form he displayed there a couple of years ago.

Ramsey will be our CM for sometime now. Wenger likes him as a player, that much is clear and with Cazorla out, getting older etc he'll be looking for a longterm solution. I think he'll always find room for Ramsey in the starting line-up if he's fit and available. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can partner up with Le Coq effectively once he is back. The whole Cazorla idea in CM was a good one for a while but never one to keep going for a season after season.

[Master Splinter]

Has he ever started a game alongside Coq in the centre?

Cazorla has played pretty much non-stop over the last year.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

What's all this hullabaloo about Ramsey? We all know if Barca come knocking he's gone, so for those who think he's world class (as risible a claim as any other) and want him to stay, best hope it's just a baseless rumour and nothing else.

[Özim]

Totally agree, if Barca are interested and do come in for him we haven't a hope of keeping him here, they're one of the biggest clubs in the world, play great football, have some of the best footballers on the planet and put football before anything else.

[Niall_Quinn]

Totally agree, if Barca are interested and do come in for him we haven't a hope of keeping him here, they're one of the biggest clubs in the world, play great football, have some of the best footballers on the planet and put football before anything else.

Your "reasonableness" is actually making you anti-Arsenal. Do you realise that?

[hobson's choice]

Guys, do bear in mind that Ramsey's been parterned with Flamini for this run in, who's hardly the best DM around right now. I think you'd see a better Ramsey alongside Coquelin, who offers more discpline and defensive security.

Central midfield is often about parternerships and understandings. It's clear that combined Flamini and Ramsey doesn't work well in games where you need to dictate tempo, however that doesn't mean Ramsey/Coquelin or Ramsey/Elneny couldn't. So let's not completely dismiss Ramsey's chances of seizing the future CM berth especially considering his beast mode form he displayed there a couple of years ago.



Lee Dixon was doing the commentary during City mtach and literally the whole game he was so annoyed at how Ramsey completely left Flamini exposed.

Its just not the discpline, his distrubition when playing as part central is not good. Too many wayward and hospital balls. Still takes too much time on the ball.

He's simply not that good in that role, too many flaws.

[Özim]

Your "reasonableness" is actually making you anti-Arsenal. Do you realise that?

:lol: Just stating facts, we can't compete with Barca for many reasons, but in the end we don't see to be trying very hard despite the promises before we built the stadium about wanting to compete with the best.

[selassie]

Has he ever started a game alongside Coq in the centre?

Cazorla has played pretty much non-stop over the last year.

First game of the season against West Ham. In theory Ramsey & Coq should be a fairly decent partnership, though we do lose a lot of creativity without some like Santi/Jack in the middle.

After that defeat to West Ham Ramsey was put back on the wings.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm sure Ramsey will cement the CM spot as his own but he needs the right blend of players around him in midfield to excel. There's no point trying to mould a player like him, you'll end up with a shell of a player.

The Barcelona link is laughable. He'd end up pissing everyone off like Fabregas did because of his undisciplined style.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

still annoyed we didn't get Kondogbia but Ramsey is going nowhere. When he had Arteta it looked very balanced and it may do again.

[Power n Glory]

I'm sure Ramsey will cement the CM spot as his own but he needs the right blend of players around him in midfield to excel. There's no point trying to mould a player like him, you'll end up with a shell of a player.

The Barcelona link is laughable. He'd end up pissing everyone off like Fabregas did because of his undisciplined style.

I think he needs to raise his game to excel in the midfield. I’m not sure it’s about the players around him. When he had his best season, it didn’t matter who he was playing with, Flamini or Arteta…he was playing at a high standard. Once he starts getting back to the basics he’ll be fine. Right now it seems like he is way too focussed on trying to score and getting up the field.

[AFC Leveller]

Ramsey has so much talent and with the right DCM alongside him he can be the solution for us there in the next 5-8 years. His goal scoring touch has deserted him but that will come back as long as he keeps trying and gets the right coaching.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

True. Hopefully he’s better with someone else in the middle. But he’s had similar problems when playing with Arteta and Wilshere. It’s a worry.

Wilshere yes - both of them are far too undiscplined to work together effectievly - see Gerrard and Lampard, but he's been pretty decent alongside Arteta (see his beast mode form period of 13/14).

An Arteta/Ramsey parternership would have been perfect for the game against Newcastle where we struggled to get a foothold as he compliments Ramsey well, especially when it comes to the former's distrubution. In fact, until Coquelin comes back, I suspect we'll probably see a Ramsey/Arteta midfield against the mid to lower teams at home.


Totally agree, if Barca are interested and do come in for him we haven't a hope of keeping him here, they're one of the biggest clubs in the world, play great football, have some of the best footballers on the planet and put football before anything else.

Considering we've rebuffed attempts from Real & Bayern recently for Koscienly there's no way we would willingily sell Ramsey. :rolleyes:

Not sure if you've noticed but when the new financial deals came into effect, in addition to adding world class players to our squad we've also prevented our best players from leaving every summer.

Only way we'd sell is if he kicked that much of a stink and fuss about it, which he wouldn't. He's not that type of guy.


Lee Dixon was doing the commentary during City mtach and literally the whole game he was so annoyed at how Ramsey completely left Flamini exposed.

Its just not the discpline, his distrubition when playing as part central is not good. Too many wayward and hospital balls. Still takes too much time on the ball.

He's simply not that good in that role, too many flaws.

His distrubution is poor relative to Santi yes, but bear in mind alongside the likes of Busquets, Thiago and Alonso, he's probably the best in the world at it.

Ramsey offers us things that Santi can't - namely industry and goal threat. It'd be foolish to try and shape Ramsey into a Santi clone to try and make him the perfect midfielder in the world, and in the process lose or curtail some of the great things in Ramsey's game. Moreover we need to compliment him with someone who can compensate for some of his defeciences - I'm guessing that's where Elneny comes in.


still annoyed we didn't get Kondogbia but Ramsey is going nowhere. When he had Arteta it looked very balanced and it may do again.

Not that I've watched any Seria A but from the reports I've heard, Kondogbia has been a bit underwhelming for Inter considering the price they paid. Might have been a good miss.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Might be still time to actually sigh him then! :d

[Özim]

Considering we've rebuffed attempts from Real & Bayern recently for Koscienly there's no way we would willingily sell Ramsey. :rolleyes:

Not sure if you've noticed but when the new financial deals came into effect, in addition to adding world class players to our squad we've also prevented our best players from leaving every summer.

Only way we'd sell is if he kicked that much of a stink and fuss about it, which he wouldn't. He's not that type of guy.

Sorry but that's total rubbish, Koscielny rumours were nothing more than hearsay.

We wouldn't have a hope if those clubs came in for them, reason being they have some of the worlds best players, win stuff all the time, have an illustrious history and most importantly put football first and don't think twice about going for top class players, only someone heavily biased wouldn't recognise this.

The financial deals are all very good but in all honesty we've seen a minimal impact from them, we're a club that wants to make money first and foremost, not a club who prioritise winning over and then expect the rest to follow, we've signed two players in a decade after selling for years, reason we haven't sold recently is there's been noone really at a high enough level to sell, unlike in the past.



Not that I've watched any Seria A but from the reports I've heard, Kondogbia has been a bit underwhelming for Inter considering the price they paid. Might have been a good miss.

Not sure you can judge a player over his 1st season, it takes time to adapt a foreign country, most players don't adapt immediately, so I'm not sure it was a good miss at all if you're basing it on a few matches, in a couple years you might think differently.

As for Ramsey, decent player, his goal threat is overstated though, he had one very good season where he scored 16, another where he scored an average ten, the rest of the time the most he's scored is 4, to prove he's a genuine threat he'll need to improve his figures vastly before he can be considered a genuine goalscoring midfielder.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Nolito anyone?

Them there's the latest rumour.

[Power n Glory]

Wilshere yes - both of them are far too undiscplined to work together effectievly - see Gerrard and Lampard, but he's been pretty decent alongside Arteta (see his beast mode form period of 13/14).

An Arteta/Ramsey parternership would have been perfect for the game against Newcastle where we struggled to get a foothold as he compliments Ramsey well, especially when it comes to the former's distrubution. In fact, until Coquelin comes back, I suspect we'll probably see a Ramsey/Arteta midfield against the mid to lower teams at home.

His distrubution is poor relative to Santi yes, but bear in mind alongside the likes of Busquets, Thiago and Alonso, he's probably the best in the world at it.

Ramsey offers us things that Santi can't - namely industry and goal threat. It'd be foolish to try and shape Ramsey into a Santi clone to try and make him the perfect midfielder in the world, and in the process lose or curtail some of the great things in Ramsey's game. Moreover we need to compliment him with someone who can compensate for some of his defeciences - I'm guessing that's where Elneny comes in.


If you look back at the 13/14 season, Ramsey was in beast mode from the start of the season and that was without Arteta. You may be giving too much credit to Arteta for Ramsey's form that year.

I remember being told that Ramsey was looking sharp in the pre season games and he was scoring goals early. Arteta picked up an injury in preseason and wasn't starting games. But Ramsey looked sharp in our CL qualification games scoring 1 goal in the first tie and the both of the goals in the 2-0 victory. That was without Arteta. He was playing with Wilshere but that didn't stop him. 2 goals against Sunderland, next game against Marseille he scores, next game against Stoke he scores, next game against Swansea he scores and gets an assist....we win that 2-1....

Ramsey was already on a roll without Arteta. Playing with Wilshere, Flamini....I didn't matter. He was scoring. He was already on 8 goals by the time Arteta was starting games again. That's 8 goals out of 16 without Arteta. He was also a beast on defence as well. I wouldn't attribute Ramsey's form to anyone else but himself that season. I don't know what happened to him but he came out the blocks flying and was just bossing it. That's what we need from him again. It's great to have a good partnership but we can't have a player in the squad that's totally dysfunctional without another player. It shouldn't work like that. It's like when we were saying Ozil needed better players around him to function. That's looking like rubbish now. He just needed to elevate his game and now he's picking out passes to whoever wants it.

[Özim]

We're close to signing Nwakali and Chukwueze :cloud9:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10127478/arsenal-close-on-nigerian-youngsters-kelechi-nwakali-and-samuel-chukwueze

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

If Mane's worth 50million how much is Aubameyang worth!

[I am invisible]

Brozovic rumours still keep coming back, and they're now chucking Icardi into the deal too in a double-raid on Inter?! It's all made up shit anyway, so why not!

[Niall_Quinn]

If Mane's worth 50million how much is Aubameyang worth!

Worth is such a strong word. But with all the new money pouring in we're going to see some real idiocy in the transfer market and with playa contracts over the next couple of seasons.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Always been on the fence with him but with his goal record and out scoring lewandowski....

Off topic too but Payet is brilliant.

[I am invisible]

Not one for the pitch, but sounds like a step in the right direction...

http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/18/arsenal-sign-scout-ben-wrigglesworth-from-leicester-city-report-5628705/

[AFC Leveller]

Montreal signing a new deal is very good news. He is the best LB in the league this season IMO, performs well every single game. He was nervous and a bit of a liability when he first joined but this season he has improved so much and is one of the first names on the team sheet. His time as an emergency CB looks to have done him no harm at all.

[selassie]

Montreal signing a new deal is very good news. He is the best LB in the league this season IMO, performs well every single game. He was nervous and a bit of a liability when he first joined but this season he has improved so much and is one of the first names on the team sheet. His time as an emergency CB looks to have done him no harm at all.

Yeah I agree, I rate him really highly, he seems to be getting better!

[Marc Overmars]

Fair play to him, I wasn't slow to criticise him during his first 6 months or so but he's forced me into a U-turn. Really solid guy, 7 or 8 out of 10 every game.

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently Chelsea are close to signing Pato.

He still exists?

[fakeyank]

Monreal reminds me of Lauren. Solid games pretty much every game.

[Static]

Apparently Chelsea are close to signing Pato.

He still exists?

Yes and he is only 26!

[Kano]

With metal ankles too. That's a bonus.

[GP]

Last I heard he was going to play in China.

Chelsea must really be desperate.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently Chelsea are close to signing Pato.

He still exists?

Hopefully he'll be as good as that Pedro guy they signed.

WHO?

[Özim]

Never rated Pato.

[Power n Glory]

These Brazilians fall off the face of the planet so quickly. Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pato, Adriano....

[AFC Leveller]

These Brazilians fall off the face of the planet so quickly. Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pato, Adriano....

You hardly see a Braziliian stay at the top for a good 7-10 years and maintain his level. Must be the party lifestyle they love.

[Bumble]

this transfer window has been incredibly dull. no one has signed anyone of note.

[Kano]

Barca have probably ended their interest in Ramsey after seeing today's game.

Which is a real shame because that was an absolute certainty to happen next week.

[Master Splinter]

Barca is the bestest club in the world and if they come calling, they will get him.

We are Arsenal and we are shit because of Wengcunt.

I know all this from watching football.

[Kano]

Splintcunt :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Adebayor to Palace. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Poor old Palace, and they were doing so well.

[Kano]

He'll do a job until the end of the season. A dozen games or so is usually his limit.

It's either that or Chamakh.

[GP]

He'll do a job until the end of the season. A dozen games or so is usually his limit.

It's either that or Chamakh.

They also have Wickham.

So your point still stands.

[Özim]

People use to cream themselves over Adebayor thinking he was a world beater, his career proves otherwise, a fairweather player who performs for one season to get himself a big pay rise and then lives on former glories for the rest of his career.

Good riddance.

[fakeyank]

People use to cream themselves over Adebayor thinking he was a world beater, his career proves otherwise, a fairweather player who performs for one season to get himself a big pay rise and then lives on former glories for the rest of his career.

Good riddance.

I really think if he stayed at Arsenal, he wouldve done much better than what his greedy ass ended up achieving. Him, Nasri and Hleb are the poster child of how to fuck up your career going for the money.

[Özim]

I really think if he stayed at Arsenal, he wouldve done much better than what his greedy ass ended up achieving. Him, Nasri and Hleb are the poster child of how to fuck up your career going for the money.

Any half decent striker would do well at this club, because we create plenty of chances, so I'd agree, though I don't think he's that great.

If only we had a top striker he'd score a hatful, makes it more mystifying that we haven't had one for years. RVP was pretty good, but just too injury prone, would love us to have a guy who focusses on getting goals, sadly it's not going to happen.

[mastermind84]

Adebayor is one of the most talented strikers the premiership has seen. He was just a mess mentally.

If he was focused, we would have won a few league titles with him here.

[Özim]

Most talented strikers the premiership has seen?

Not even close, there's so many better than him it would take too long to list them, he was nothing special, his career proves that.

[Power n Glory]

Adebayor was far from special. Most talented in the Prem? Never! Wenger could get that level of performance out of a striker like Benteke, Bony even Darren Bent!

[Xhaka Can’t]

What the fuck did I just read?

[Kano]

If there ever was any hope of a God existing, now is the time to prove it:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/chelsea-fifa-bertrand-traore

[Globalgunner]

Adebayor was far from special. Most talented in the Prem? Never! Wenger could get that level of performance out of a striker like Benteke, Bony even Darren Bent!

Arguably he is better than any of the current strikers we have, Including Giroud. Better than any we have had since RVP. Adebayor however was a self absorbed idiot with the mentality of a spoilt brat. We could and should have done better since he left us. Everywhere Ade has gone, his nemesis has gone right along with him. Idiot.

[mastermind84]

Most talented strikers the premiership has seen?

Not even close, there's so many better than him it would take too long to list them, he was nothing special, his career proves that.


Adebayor was far from special. Most talented in the Prem? Never! Wenger could get that level of performance out of a striker like Benteke, Bony even Darren Bent!

there have not been many with his size, strength, speed, technique, leaping ability, heading ability, passing ability, and finishing ability. He was more talented than those people you named and it wasnt close. He was more talented than Drogba, but didnt have the same professionalism.

[Power n Glory]

Arguably he is better than any of the current strikers we have, Including Giroud. Better than any we have had since RVP. Adebayor however was a self absorbed idiot with the mentality of a spoilt brat. We could and should have done better since he left us. Everywhere Ade has gone, his nemesis has gone right along with him. Idiot.

The only thing he has on Giroud is pace. That's the one part of Giroud's game that keeps him from being better than Ade. In fact, I don't even think it has to do with who is better just who the better fit is for our style of play. Wenger subbing off Giroud against Chelsea is evident of that. Because he lacks pace we can't play counter attacking football with him.

Ade had a horrible first touch, missed more sitters than Giroud and was a lazy bastard when he didn't feel like working. Wenger made Ade look better than what he was.

[Power n Glory]

there have not been many with his size, strength, speed, technique, leaping ability, heading ability, passing ability, and finishing ability. He was more talented than those people you named and it wasnt close. He was more talented than Drogba, but didnt have the same professionalism.

Drogba? Stop it. He'd have done something with his career if any of that was true.

[Marc Overmars]

Adebayor was very good at times but if you don't have your head screwed on right you're never going to amount to much in any walk of life. Waste of a career.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently Marketing are prepared to listen to offers for Isco.

Makes you wonder what the fuck we are waiting for. Perhaps he's not as good as what we already have? Or has that excuse been exhausted?

[mastermind84]

Drogba? Stop it. He'd have done something with his career if any of that was true.

Please go back and re-read what I said. Drogba had a strong mentality and professionalism, which Adebayor didnt have.

Saying that, he did a lot in his career. He just did not do anything near what he should have but Adebayor was a big time talent. He is one of the best talents the Premiership has seen and shoulda lead us to titles if he had his head screwed on right. Million dollar talent with a 10 cent mind.


Adebayor was very good at times but if you don't have your head screwed on right you're never going to amount to much in any walk of life. Waste of a career.

exactly!

[Niall_Quinn]

Adebayor was a fabulous striker in his prime. The way he moved and the speed of his brain and his feet, the constant forward momentum, it gelled perfectly with our team at the time. I loved the way he could dip a shoulder and send the defender 180 degrees the wrong way while pushing the ball on instantly. But then he became a big time charlie, like Yaya Toure. And it all went to fuck. The fact he was converted from a "where will he play" defender, winger to a striker is one of Wenger's rare successes. But if you are an arsehole then you are an arsehole and nothing is going to save you from that. Now he's cancer, hire him and you'll pay the price twice. Like Balotelli.

[Power n Glory]

The guy had a touch of a rapist, never was a natural finisher and wasted a lot of chances. If you think Giroud and Walcott were bad, Ade was up there with them for sitters. He was just lucky enough to play with a team that carved teams open for fun. Never scored 30 goals before us and never scored 30 after. There was no evidence of a bad attitude in his first seasons for City or Spurs. Seemed focused and motivated but couldn't come close to scoring 30. Says it all. He was never a top talent. Wenger elevated his game to make it seem as if he was. Our style suited him.

[Niall_Quinn]

The guy had a touch of a rapist, never was a natural finisher and wasted a lot of chances. If you think Giroud and Walcott were bad, Ade was up there with them for sitters. He was just lucky enough to play with a team that carved teams open for fun. Never scored 30 goals before us and never scored 30 after. There was no evidence of a bad attitude in his first seasons for City or Spurs. Seemed focused and motivated but couldn't come close to scoring 30. Says it all. He was never a top talent. Wenger elevated his game to make it seem as if he was. Our style suited him.

Watch him play in his second season for us, compared to the static Giroud and the hapless, random Walcott. Not saying he was as good as RvP or even in the top tier but he was way, way better than Giroud or Walnut. I mean let's not even bring Walnut into this, he's one of the worst players we've ever had. Turns up 5 games a season, if we are lucky.

[Power n Glory]

Watch him play in his second season for us, compared to the static Giroud and the hapless, random Walcott. Not saying he was as good as RvP or even in the top tier but he was way, way better than Giroud or Walnut. I mean let's not even bring Walnut into this, he's one of the worst players we've ever had. Turns up 5 games a season, if we are lucky.

I'm not debating that. Because he had power, pace, the physique and a team that kept supplying, it helped cover up his shortcomings. If he were slow like Giroud he'd have no chance. You forget the sitters he'd miss and the amount of chances he needed to score. Far from clinical and his technique was average.

[mastermind84]

The guy had a touch of a rapist, never was a natural finisher and wasted a lot of chances. If you think Giroud and Walcott were bad, Ade was up there with them for sitters. He was just lucky enough to play with a team that carved teams open for fun. Never scored 30 goals before us and never scored 30 after. There was no evidence of a bad attitude in his first seasons for City or Spurs. Seemed focused and motivated but couldn't come close to scoring 30. Says it all. He was never a top talent. Wenger elevated his game to make it seem as if he was. Our style suited him.
Adebayor became a very good finisher as his career went onward. He could have grown more here. His touch was good too. Not great

And he was MUCH better than Giroud and Walcott. Not even close lol. Shoot, if he wasnt a nut job now, I wouldnt mind taking him back.

Can you imagine Adebayor with Ozil and Sanchez behind him, ffs. We would be leading the league right now by a few points.

He was a top talent who had a weak mindset.

You make fun of Adebayor all you want and say he wasnt a top player, but the talent was not deniable at all. And he wasnt scoring tap-ins either, ffs.



I'm not debating that. Because he had power, pace, the physique and a team that kept supplying, it helped cover up his shortcomings. If he were slow like Giroud he'd have no chance. You forget the sitters he'd miss and the amount of chances he needed to score. Far from clinical and his technique was average.
if Drogba didnt have pace, power, physique he wouldnt have been a premier league player.

if Thierry Henry didnt have pace, power, physique, he wouldnt have been the best player in the world for a few seasons.

If Vieira didnt have pace, power, and physique he woulda been a nothing player.

[Power n Glory]

If Giroud had pace he'd fit into our set up a lot better. He'd be a beast of a player. That's all I'm saying.

Henry and Vieria could pass and had great touches. Smart players as well. Henry's pace went later in his career but his touch, shooting, passing and intelligence remained.

Adebayor is a bum. Should we move on talk about the wonders of Hleb? Top premier league player. If only he had his head right. ;)

[Power n Glory]

In fact, bum is a strong word. :lol: But I think this is a case of rose tinted glasses. NQ, I'm sure you can't remember the sitters be missed and if you think Theo was bad, this guy was worse. I remember the GW match threads where he's miss sitters. Ask Zim. You don't remember the times he'd go missing, drift to the flanks with little awareness of where he should be on the pitch or what he was like when his work rate dropped in games we needed him?

I'll give Wenger his chops when it comes to developing strikers and Ade is a product of Wenger. Never scored 30 goals again for anyone. In fact, never scored 20 goals before us or after us and some of you scoff at players like Benteke, Bony and Gomis. That's Adebayor's level but Wenger has talent for exploiting a strikers strength and masking the weakness. The fact that we're having this conversation is testament to that. Giroud is far from a top class player but Wenger somehow managed to get him into that conversation. He is great at getting the best out of strikers. Heck, he even had some people here fooled into thinking Chamakh was top class. :lol: That guy, of all people, managed a scoring run and some people were convinced he's be a good player. He might have been if not for RVP. I believe the same for Welbeck. If Wenger gave him a few seasons up top he'd look the part. But we haven't got time for that.

[Özim]

if Drogba didnt have pace, power, physique he wouldnt have been a premier league player.

if Thierry Henry didnt have pace, power, physique, he wouldnt have been the best player in the world for a few seasons.

If Vieira didnt have pace, power, and physique he woulda been a nothing player.

That's rubbish, you'll find plenty of players without those three that were top PL players, Wright being one.

[Özim]

In fact, bum is a strong word. :lol: But I think this is a case of rose tinted glasses. NQ, I'm sure you can't remember the sitters be missed and if you think Theo was bad, this guy was worse. I remember the GW match threads where he's miss sitters. Ask Zim. You don't remember the times he'd go missing, drift to the flanks with little awareness of where he should be on the pitch or what he was like when his work rate dropped in games we needed him?

I'll give Wenger his chops when it comes to developing strikers and Ade is a product of Wenger. Never scored 30 goals again for anyone. In fact, never scored 20 goals before us or after us and some of you scoff at players like Benteke, Bony and Gomis. That's Adebayor's level but Wenger has talent for exploiting a strikers strength and masking the weakness. The fact that we're having this conversation is testament to that. Giroud is far from a top class player but Wenger somehow managed to get him into that conversation. He is great at getting the best out of strikers. Heck, he even had some people here fooled into thinking Chamakh was top class. :lol: That guy, of all people, managed a scoring run and some people were convinced he's be a good player. He might have been if not for RVP. I believe the same for Welbeck. If Wenger gave him a few seasons up top he'd look the part. But we haven't got time for that.

I'll vouch for that, Adebayor missed sitters regularly, his finishing was very hit and miss and his touch terrible at times, worse still he got caught offsdside a lot, in many cases inexcusably so, all he needed to do was look down the line but he failed to do so.

Had one good season with us and that's his career summed up really, a one season wonder, any half decent player will score goals for us because we create a lot of chances, had he been top class he'd have got far more than he got.

His one strength was getting himself into goalscoring positions, his finishing however was average.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Adebayor became a very good finisher as his career went onward. He could have grown more here. His touch was good too. Not great

And he was MUCH better than Giroud and Walcott. Not even close lol. Shoot, if he wasnt a nut job now, I wouldnt mind taking him back.

Can you imagine Adebayor with Ozil and Sanchez behind him, ffs. We would be leading the league right now by a few points.

He was a top talent who had a weak mindset.

You make fun of Adebayor all you want and say he wasnt a top player, but the talent was not deniable at all. And he wasnt scoring tap-ins either, ffs.



if Drogba didnt have pace, power, physique he wouldnt have been a premier league player.

if Thierry Henry didnt have pace, power, physique, he wouldnt have been the best player in the world for a few seasons.

If Vieira didnt have pace, power, and physique he woulda been a nothing player.

Last night I watched 'The Mad World of Donald Trump' and read your posts. :wacko:

[Power n Glory]

Pre Arsenal Metz and Monaco
2002/03 – 14 league goals (17 total)
2003/04 – 8 league goals (8 total)
2004/05 – 9 league goals (14 total)

Arsenal Career

2006/07 – 8 Prem goals (12 total)
2007/08 – 24 Prem goals (30 total)
2208/09 – 10 Prem goals (16 total)

After Arsenal
2009/10 – 14 Prem goals (14 total)
2011/12 – 17 Prem goals (18 total)
2012/13 – 5 Prem goals (8 total)
2013/14 – 11 Prem goals (14 total)

A top quality Premier League player? Get out of here. Mastermind, you’re a funny guy because when we had this same conversation about strikers and we spoke of Luis Saurez, you dismissed his goal scoring record for Ajax because it was a shit league. Have you seen Adebayor’s Ligue 1 record before joining us? He had potential but Wenger elevated his game immensely. Besides that one season for us, his Premier League numbers resemble what Giroud’s currently doing but you don’t rate Giroud.

[Power n Glory]

I'll vouch for that, Adebayor missed sitters regularly, his finishing was very hit and miss and his touch terrible at times, worse still he got caught offsdside a lot, in many cases inexcusably so, all he needed to do was look down the line but he failed to do so.

Had one good season with us and that's his career summed up really, a one season wonder, any half decent player will score goals for us because we create a lot of chances, had he been top class he'd have got far more than he got.

His one strength was getting himself into goalscoring positions, his finishing however was average.

:gp: He was average. Very average.

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75uhWxhjZ8

[Niall_Quinn]

In fact, bum is a strong word. :lol: But I think this is a case of rose tinted glasses. NQ, I'm sure you can't remember the sitters be missed and if you think Theo was bad, this guy was worse. I remember the GW match threads where he's miss sitters. Ask Zim. You don't remember the times he'd go missing, drift to the flanks with little awareness of where he should be on the pitch or what he was like when his work rate dropped in games we needed him?

I'll give Wenger his chops when it comes to developing strikers and Ade is a product of Wenger. Never scored 30 goals again for anyone. In fact, never scored 20 goals before us or after us and some of you scoff at players like Benteke, Bony and Gomis. That's Adebayor's level but Wenger has talent for exploiting a strikers strength and masking the weakness. The fact that we're having this conversation is testament to that. Giroud is far from a top class player but Wenger somehow managed to get him into that conversation. He is great at getting the best out of strikers. Heck, he even had some people here fooled into thinking Chamakh was top class. :lol: That guy, of all people, managed a scoring run and some people were convinced he's be a good player. He might have been if not for RVP. I believe the same for Welbeck. If Wenger gave him a few seasons up top he'd look the part. But we haven't got time for that.

You're talking about him being a screw-up, which he was. Powerful, direct striker who at one point looked like he'd rival Drogba, but he didn't have the character to make it happen. Shame, but his decision.

Nobody was fooled about Chamakh from the first minute he stepped on a pitch. Similarly Sanogo.

[Power n Glory]

You're talking about him being a screw-up, which he was. Powerful, direct striker who at one point looked like he'd rival Drogba, but he didn't have the character to make it happen. Shame, but his decision.

Nobody was fooled about Chamakh from the first minute he stepped on a pitch. Similarly Sanogo.

If Adebayor were playing for us today, you'd be pulling your hair out over the missed chances and bad touches. Far from clinical. Just as bad as Theo and Giroud in that department. In fact, he was worse but played in a team that had games where we'd carve out chance after chance. But let's not forget that he also struggled when teams parked the bus and that's where we really needed a clinical striker and he wasn't it.

A few people rated Chamakh in his first season. That guy was worse than Niklas Bendtner.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Adebayor were playing for us today, you'd be pulling your hair out over the missed chances and bad touches. Far from clinical. Just as bad as Theo and Giroud in that department. In fact, he was worse but played in a team that had games where we'd carve out chance after chance. But let's not forget that he also struggled when teams parked the bus and that's where we really needed a clinical striker and he wasn't it.

A few people rated Chamakh in his first season. That guy was worse than Niklas Bendtner.

Forgot about Lord Nick :haha: Purged from my memory. Another fuck up.

I wouldn't want Adebayor playing for us today, he's done, was done when he left us. But he wasn't average when he played for us, he was better than that. He missed plnety but he scored plenty too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asq1ieC3QdM

[Xhaka Can’t]

He was alright.

But lets not forget, this discussion started because someone said he was one of the best strikers to grace the PL in its history.

Even without his fucked up mentality, he was not and never will be ANYTHING like approaching that level.

[Power n Glory]

He was alright.

But lets not forget, this discussion started because someone said he was one of the best strikers to grace the PL in its history.

Even without his fucked up mentality, he was not and never will be ANYTHING like approaching that level.

Exactly. A crazy statement.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't recall saying that, AT ALL. I was pissed as a fart last night but I doubt I said that.

[Marc Overmars]

THAT goal against Spurs. :bow:

The Villarreal one was also insane.

[Globalgunner]

THAT goal against Spurs. :bow:

The Villarreal one was also insane.

Exactly!. He had his moments. He had potential. Lets not forget that he came to us at 22. Raw as hell but ready to learn under Thierry. Giroud has been average all his life, he is also 29. Lets put this one to bed. Adebayor was a colossal tit. Question is, who is going to be our next great striker?

[Letters]

Lets put this one to bed. Adebayor was a colossal tit.
:lol:
:gp:

He had ability but his application and attitude were awlful.

[Power n Glory]

Exactly!. He had his moments. He had potential. Lets not forget that he came to us at 22. Raw as hell but ready to learn under Thierry. Giroud has been average all his life, he is also 29. Lets put this one to bed. Adebayor was a colossal tit. Question is, who is going to be our next great striker?

We're being linked with Morata. £61m. Not happening.

[Globalgunner]

We're being linked with Morata. £61m. Not happening.

I think RM has a 1st option clause in there somewhere. It could happen but it would cost every penny of 70m

[Özim]

We're being linked with Morata. £61m. Not happening.

:lol: 61 million, he's rubbish, he's got 18 goals in 73 games for Juventus, he's not worth 15 million.

Seriously though, why would we go after a guy with such a poor goal record, we should be signing proven goalscorers not overhyped wannabe's.

Wouldn't surprise me if we went for him though, he's out of favour at Juve, hasn't scored since October and has a poor goal record, another pet project for Wenger if ever i've seen one. Where does it all end?

[Power n Glory]

:lol: 61 million, he's rubbish, he's got 18 goals in 73 games for Juventus, he's not worth 15 million.

Seriously though, why would we go after a guy with such a poor goal record, we should be signing proven goalscorers not overhyped wannabe's.

I don't no where these guys get these price tags from. It's delusional.

[mastermind84]

That's rubbish, you'll find plenty of players without those three that were top PL players, Wright being one.

Great, but you didnt understand my post.

I said if you take away THOSE players physical attributes, they would be lesser players and maybe not in the premiership. Drogba was in Ligue 2 at 22 years old, ffs. lol.

[mastermind84]

You're talking about him being a screw-up, which he was. Powerful, direct striker who at one point looked like he'd rival Drogba, but he didn't have the character to make it happen. Shame, but his decision.

Nobody was fooled about Chamakh from the first minute he stepped on a pitch. Similarly Sanogo.

Exactly


He was alright.

But lets not forget, this discussion started because someone said he was one of the best strikers to grace the PL in its history.

Even without his fucked up mentality, he was not and never will be ANYTHING like approaching that level.

can you find when I said this? I said he was one of the most talented.

Stan Collymore was also one of the most talented. Find the definition of talent because it seems you do not know that.

Adebayor was not one of the best strikers in premiership history but talent wise, you wont find many as talented as he was.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Exactly



can you find when I said this? I said he was one of the most talented.

Stan Collymore was also one of the most talented. Find the definition of talent because it seems you do not know that.

Adebayor was not one of the best strikers in premiership history but talent wise, you wont find many as talented as he was.

OK

He was alright.

But lets not forget, this discussion started because someone said he was one of the most talented strikers to grace the PL in its history.

Even without his fucked up mentality, he has not and never will display ANYTHING demonstrating that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Morata just scored for Juve against Inter.

Granted it was a pelanty. :ninja:

Seriously, I don't know why people countenance what is so obviously absolute bollocks in the media.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

2-0, Morata again.

Zim. :lol:

I see Ramires has been sold for £25 million to some Chinese team. :wacko:

[Kano]

Pato has come in in loan and Leciester have bid for Remy apparently, although it was turned down.

Teixeira to Liverpool is not too far off by the sounds of it, all depends on how much Liverpool want to overpay by.

Rumours that Cahill wants to leave but won't be allowed to yet :lol: They want Matt Miazga, some random from the States.

Oh and Townsend to Newcastle. That should seal their relegation.

[Niall_Quinn]

Quite a few papers saying we've signed Andriy Yarmolenko for £23mill - BUT he won't be here until the summer. All based on a Ukrainian source.

We can only hope this isn't true. We don't need any more second tier players here, we have plenty already.

[Munchies]

Quite a few papers saying we've signed Andriy Yarmolenko for £23mill - BUT he won't be here until the summer. All based on a Ukrainian source.

We can only hope this isn't true. We don't need any more second tier players here, we have plenty already.


...

who?

[Niall_Quinn]

26 year old Ukrainian winger/ striker. Decent enough player it seems but he won't be bringing us back to the Wright, Anelka, Bergkamp, Henry, RvC era. Relatively cheap though so I suppose that's the priority.

[Kano]

Decent enough player it seems but he won't be bringing us back to the Wright, Anelka, Bergkamp, Henry, RvC era.
You've been hanging around Zim too long.

[Power n Glory]

26 year old Ukrainian winger/ striker. Decent enough player it seems but he won't be bringing us back to the Wright, Anelka, Bergkamp, Henry, RvC era. Relatively cheap though so I suppose that's the priority.

What about Adebayor level? :lol:

Not bad goal stats. 21, 19 and 13 goals so far this season. If he has a bit of pace to play on the counter but the strength to hold the ball up he’ll be fine. Wenger’s good at elevating a strikers game.

[mastermind84]

Quite a few papers saying we've signed Andriy Yarmolenko for £23mill - BUT he won't be here until the summer. All based on a Ukrainian source.

We can only hope this isn't true. We don't need any more second tier players here, we have plenty already.

Sounds like rubbish and not an Arsenal-like move.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sounds like rubbish and not an Arsenal-like move.

You mean we normally wait until his contract is up and we can get him for free?

True that.

[Özim]

Sounds like rubbish and not an Arsenal-like move.

Sounds like a typical Arsenal move, an unknown with a so so record, the only unlikely thing is the transfer fee but I'm sure we can wait until we knock them don by 5-10 million.

If this does happen our search for a striker will be over for another 5 years or so, was hoping for someone with a proven goal record, looks like this will never happen, it seems we prefer to take the pot luck approach when it comes to signings.

[Letters]

Sounds like a typical Arsenal move, an unknown with a so so record, the only unlikely thing is the transfer fee but I'm sure we can wait until we knock them don by 5-10 million.

If this does happen our search for a striker will be over for another 5 years or so, was hoping for someone with a proven goal record, looks like this will never happen, it seems we prefer to take the pot luck approach when it comes to signings.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/e6/2c/88e62c8581465fcd4183bc4f53016daa.jpg

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Teixeira to Liverpool is not too far off by the sounds of it, all depends on how much Liverpool want to overpay by.


Supposedly Sha...I can't be bothered finding how to spell it properly.... want £38m, which we aren't prepared to pay. Supposedly though he'd be happy with about £50k/week, which softens the blow somewhat and no doubt better than his current wage of Goats and Borscht. One thing he supposedly has though is pace to burn, which is more than can be said for anyone else we have. The only other one who has that is Sturridge and he's dead.

[Kano]

Supposedly Sha...I can't be bothered finding how to spell it properly.... want £38m, which we aren't prepared to pay. Supposedly though he'd be happy with about £50k/week, which softens the blow somewhat and no doubt better than his current wage of Goats and Borscht. One thing he supposedly has though is pace to burn, which is more than can be said for anyone else we have. The only other one who has that is Sturridge and he's dead.
Pace and some ball control ideally, as Ibe has one of those but not the other yet. A lot of the league have taken onboard the whole Bielsa/Dortmund/Atleti press and counter attack, so pace is is essential if Klopp wants to make this work. Seems like another make or break summer coming up.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yarmolenko is a winger anyway isn't he?

Ox. :wave:

[Özim]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/e6/2c/88e62c8581465fcd4183bc4f53016daa.jpg

Never knew you looked like a donkey, I only knew you were short.

[Özim]

Yarmolenko is a winger anyway isn't he?

Ox. :wave:

Winger/forward so probably plays up front as well.

[Özim]

Problem with signings like this is there's so uninspiring, I know Arsenal is Wenger's pet project but for the fans it would be good to sign some household names, people we can identify with and get excited about.

[Power n Glory]

Problem with signings like this is there's so uninspiring, I know Arsenal is Wenger's pet project but for the fans it would be good to sign some household names, people we can identify with and get excited about.

Not for the prices quoted. Price tag bigger than their talent.

[Marc Overmars]

Is he the Ukranian Messi or is that Kono guy?

[Master Splinter]

Is he the Ukranian Messi or is that Kono guy?

Konoplyanka is the Ukrainian Messi. He's at Sevilla now.

Yarmolenko is an excellent player and has always looked impressive for both club and country. It's actually surprising that he hasn't moved to one of the bigger leagues yet.

If you're dismissing a player of his renown it speaks of your own ignorance rather than his lack of ability or Arsenal's terrible transfer policy.

I'm not saying he's the hottest prospect in Europe or we should be signing him or that there's even a 1% chance this is true. But the incessant, default negativity on anyone who's not a £90m product of hype or a Neymar or Lewandowski is a bit pathetic. It's not even parody anymore.

Players like Kante, Monreal, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta and even Payet probably didn't have a quarter of the recognition Yarmolenko has but have proven to be excellent players in this league. Money is almost completely irrelevant now since Chelsea, Citeh, Real Madrid, Barcelona, QPR and PSG distorted reality. It's about finding the right player to fit your team. Sometimes that player is hidden in plain sight or sometimes you pay £35-85m for them.

Yarmolenko would probably be our second best wide option after Alexis, but it's still that complete, devastating striker we really need to make us a consistently efficient attacking unit. Not that a daily dollop of transfer bollocks from the Star was worthy of this much discussion anyway.

[Kano]

Konoplyanka is the Ukrainian Messi. He's at Sevilla now.

Yarmolenko is an excellent player and has always looked impressive for both club and country. It's actually surprising that he hasn't moved to one of the bigger leagues yet.

If you're dismissing a player of his renown it speaks of your own ignorance rather than his lack of ability or Arsenal's terrible transfer policy.

I'm not saying he's the hottest prospect in Europe or we should be signing him or that there's even a 1% chance this is true. But the incessant, default negativity on anyone who's not a £90m product of hype or a Neymar or Lewandowski is a bit pathetic. It's not even parody anymore.

Players like Kante, Monreal, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta and even Payet probably didn't have a quarter of the recognition Yarmolenko has but have proven to be excellent players in this league. Money is almost completely irrelevant now since Chelsea, Citeh, Real Madrid, Barcelona, QPR and PSG distorted reality. It's about finding the right player to fit your team. Sometimes that player is hidden in plain sight or sometimes you pay £35-85m for them.

Yarmolenko would probably be our second best wide option after Alexis, but it's still that complete, devastating striker we really need to make us a consistently efficient attacking unit. Not that a daily dollop of transfer bollocks from the Star was worthy of this much discussion anyway.

Nice work ffs. You've just ruined the whole thread with that sort of sensible, logical post.

Have a nice fucking day. Cos I won't now. You've ruined that too.

[Power n Glory]

Konoplyanka is the Ukrainian Messi. He's at Sevilla now.

Yarmolenko is an excellent player and has always looked impressive for both club and country. It's actually surprising that he hasn't moved to one of the bigger leagues yet.

If you're dismissing a player of his renown it speaks of your own ignorance rather than his lack of ability or Arsenal's terrible transfer policy.

I'm not saying he's the hottest prospect in Europe or we should be signing him or that there's even a 1% chance this is true. But the incessant, default negativity on anyone who's not a £90m product of hype or a Neymar or Lewandowski is a bit pathetic. It's not even parody anymore.

Players like Kante, Monreal, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta and even Payet probably didn't have a quarter of the recognition Yarmolenko has but have proven to be excellent players in this league. Money is almost completely irrelevant now since Chelsea, Citeh, Real Madrid, Barcelona, QPR and PSG distorted reality. It's about finding the right player to fit your team. Sometimes that player is hidden in plain sight or sometimes you pay £35-85m for them.

Yarmolenko would probably be our second best wide option after Alexis, but it's still that complete, devastating striker we really need to make us a consistently efficient attacking unit. Not that a daily dollop of transfer bollocks from the Star was worthy of this much discussion anyway.


:gp: and on this same thread we've heard Adebayor hailed as a great talent even though his record before joining Arsenal was nothing spectacular. Strange one.

[Marc Overmars]

I fail to see how Yarmolenko wouldn't be a better option than what we currently have. 23m or whatever the price quoted was is nothing these days. Sign him up.

[Özim]

Shouldn't waste our time on players like him and just go for someone like Griezmann who is far more proven, Yarmolenko could turn out like another Arshavin, Eastern European players don't always adapt that well to the PL.

[Özim]

Konoplyanka is the Ukrainian Messi. He's at Sevilla now.

Yarmolenko is an excellent player and has always looked impressive for both club and country. It's actually surprising that he hasn't moved to one of the bigger leagues yet.

If you're dismissing a player of his renown it speaks of your own ignorance rather than his lack of ability or Arsenal's terrible transfer policy.

I'm not saying he's the hottest prospect in Europe or we should be signing him or that there's even a 1% chance this is true. But the incessant, default negativity on anyone who's not a £90m product of hype or a Neymar or Lewandowski is a bit pathetic. It's not even parody anymore.

Players like Kante, Monreal, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta and even Payet probably didn't have a quarter of the recognition Yarmolenko has but have proven to be excellent players in this league. Money is almost completely irrelevant now since Chelsea, Citeh, Real Madrid, Barcelona, QPR and PSG distorted reality. It's about finding the right player to fit your team. Sometimes that player is hidden in plain sight or sometimes you pay £35-85m for them.

Yarmolenko would probably be our second best wide option after Alexis, but it's still that complete, devastating striker we really need to make us a consistently efficient attacking unit. Not that a daily dollop of transfer bollocks from the Star was worthy of this much discussion anyway.

Ukraine are dogshite, noone really stands out for them, would even rather we got the guy Liverpool are getting who has scored a fair few goals in the last few seasons, plus Liverpool have a history of finding top goalscorers.

[Kano]

Shouldn't waste our time on players like him and just go for someone like Griezmann who is far more proven, Yarmolenko could turn out like another Arshavin, Eastern European players don't always adapt that well to the PL.

Even though Atleti have a transfer ban so the likelihood of them selling is below zero? Sounds like a plan.

[Özim]

Even though Atleti have a transfer ban so the likelihood of them selling is below zero? Sounds like a plan.

Give them enough money and they'll sell, they did with Costa and Aguero. Good point though :good:

[Kano]

When they had a transfer ban for two seasons? You might be out of touch on this one Zim.

[Niall_Quinn]

Could we not just get a fucking striker instead of more wide players? Wenger is obsessed.

Striker please - and a good one. Aboomerang or whatever his name will do. Sorted.

CB please - the Lumbering Oaf has to go.

Replacement for Vieira please. About fucking time too. Thanks.

[selassie]

I fail to see how Yarmolenko wouldn't be a better option than what we currently have. 23m or whatever the price quoted was is nothing these days. Sign him up.

On current form he'd be a huge upgrade, his number so far this season are very impressive, I think it's 13 goals in 22 apps, 8 assists, 2 of those 13 goals have come from 5 apps in CL.

Those numbers are world class for a winger, they'd be very good for a Striker too.

He's a very good player, has been for a few years now but he's gone up a level this season.

If he carries on his current form then I suspect some of the other big boys will try and get involved.

[Özim]

Could we not just get a fucking striker instead of more wide players? Wenger is obsessed.

Striker please - and a good one. Aboomerang or whatever his name will do. Sorted.

CB please - the Lumbering Oaf has to go.

Replacement for Vieira please. About fucking time too. Thanks.

Spot on.

[mastermind84]

Could we not just get a fucking striker instead of more wide players? Wenger is obsessed.

Striker please - and a good one. Aboomerang or whatever his name will do. Sorted.

CB please - the Lumbering Oaf has to go.

Replacement for Vieira please. About fucking time too. Thanks.
Why get worked up over a story that isn't true?


And have a look at the wide players we have. Outside of Sanchez, none of them are world beaters. We haven't had quality wide attackers since Nasri.

[GP]

Nasri?

Nothing player.

[mastermind84]

:gp: and on this same thread we've heard Adebayor hailed as a great talent even though his record before joining Arsenal was nothing spectacular. Strange one.

What a sad post lol

You don't know the definition of talent, ffs


Nasri?

Nothing player.

Okay.

[Özim]

Why get worked up over a story that isn't true?


And have a look at the wide players we have. Outside of Sanchez, none of them are world beaters. We haven't had quality wide attackers since Nasri.

A decent winger is on the desirable list list, a striker however is on the must haves list so I don't see why we'd go out and sign a winger before we got a decent striker which we've been crying out for for years.

Noone om here has even mentioned signing a winger before today, but suddenly it's become a good idea :shakeshead:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Plus these are rumours anyway, Wenger has said we probably won't be signing anyone before the window closes

[mastermind84]

A decent winger is on the desirable list list, a striker however is on the must haves list so I don't see why we'd go out and sign a winger before we got a decent striker which we've been crying out for for years.

Noone om here has even mentioned signing a winger before today, but suddenly it's become a good idea :shakeshead:
For me it's been a good idea. I wanted us to try and get Sterling last summer, even when City entered and raised the price.

You can do with a Giroud/Walcott at striker but outside of Sanchez our wide attackers are terrible.

[Power n Glory]

On current form he'd be a huge upgrade, his number so far this season are very impressive, I think it's 13 goals in 22 apps, 8 assists, 2 of those 13 goals have come from 5 apps in CL.

Those numbers are world class for a winger, they'd be very good for a Striker too.

He's a very good player, has been for a few years now but he's gone up a level this season.

If he carries on his current form then I suspect some of the other big boys will try and get involved.

Those are great numbers for a wide player. Snap him up.

[Master Splinter]

Selassie has seen him play though and formed a rational, informed and sensible opinion of him.

Selassie :doh:.

[Power n Glory]

What a sad post lol

You don't know the definition of talent, ffs



Okay.

I'm not sure you do either. Adebayor's first touch was sketchy and was never a natural finisher. I have no idea what you mean by most talented because the technical side of his game got better with time and age.

But forget all that. It just seems like a bit of a contradiction to praise Ade, who had unimpressive numbers when he first arrived and looked very unpolished, but turn your nose up at us signing this Yarm fella.

Would be nice to sign a star player but when the papers are attaching £61m signing fees for Morata...it's time to rethink what we're doing. Anyone unhappy with Wenger now would hang him for blowing money on a complete dud. I know I'd be pissed.

[Power n Glory]

Plus these are rumours anyway, Wenger has said we probably won't be signing anyone before the window closes
Just heard that too. Hope he's bluffing.

Madrid have been trying to offload Isco as well.

[Bumble]

Just heard that too. Hope he's bluffing.

Madrid have been trying to offload Isco as well.
He is bluffing we are on the verge of signing two Nigerian teenagers.

[Özim]

For me it's been a good idea. I wanted us to try and get Sterling last summer, even when City entered and raised the price.

You can do with a Giroud/Walcott at striker but outside of Sanchez our wide attackers are terrible.

That's the way Wenger thinks too and that's the problem, he signs players not because we need them or in the positions we need but because he likes the look of them or fancies taking them on as another pet project.

Not really the correct way to build a team.

[Özim]

For me it's been a good idea. I wanted us to try and get Sterling last summer, even when City entered and raised the price.

You can do with a Giroud/Walcott at striker but outside of Sanchez our wide attackers are terrible.

Campbell's pretty good as she's shown this season, we don't desperately need a winger, we do however desperately need a goalscorer. Giroud and Walcott are not adequate.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why get worked up over a story that isn't true?


And have a look at the wide players we have. Outside of Sanchez, none of them are world beaters. We haven't had quality wide attackers since Nasri.

Fair enough, it's probably not true. Or worse, it's not true but will be used anyway to keep the fans quiet with promises of jam tomorrow.

I think the worked up bit comes from the mention of yet another "utility" player that would fit into Wenger's insane tippy tappy bullshit. Wingers who can also "play there", midfielders who can "also play there". Why don't we just buy a striker, and obviously I don't mean Morata?

He's also looking at some kid from Leicester, apparently. For the full back slots. Why? So maybe the kid is talented but we have far more pressing areas that need reinforcement.

Wenger should have replaced Vieira years ago. And found a dedicated replacement for RvC when he left. Instead we've had one striker who is, let's say okay, and then wingers who can play there, or players who can be "converted" to the role and other such Wenger crap.

Santi Cazorla is our best option in the central midfield FFS! He's done well, but why have we passed up so many windows in which we could have filled that role with a genuine central midfielder suited for this league?

We've had Chamakhs and Sanogos up top, and what the hell was Welbeck all about? Why hasn't he gone out and bought a bloody quality striker given all the cash that's sloshing around and our continued and desperate need for one?

I mean what the fuck is he playing at and how complicated does this need to be?

[Niall_Quinn]

Just heard that too. Hope he's bluffing.

Madrid have been trying to offload Isco as well.

Supposedly the gypos want Isco so that's us out of the running. Not that we need another attacking midfielder anyway.

[Power n Glory]

Supposedly the gypos want Isco so that's us out of the running. Not that we need another attacking midfielder anyway.

I think we do. He can play a deeper role like Cazorla.

[Özim]

Supposedly the gypos want Isco so that's us out of the running. Not that we need another attacking midfielder anyway.

Not really bothered about Isco we don't need another attacking midfielder like you say, keep the money and spend it on a striker.

[Özim]

I think we do. He can play a deeper role like Cazorla.

He'd cost a fortune and to be honest we have plenty of midfielders, yes sure it would be great sign him but he's not what we needed, we should have signed a top class DM instead of Eleny, that won't happen now so let's hope he's good.

[Power n Glory]

He'd cost a fortune and to be honest we have plenty of midfielders, yes sure it would be great sign him but he's not what we needed, we should have signed a top class DM instead of Eleny, that won't happen now so let's hope he's good.

Reports say Real are shopping him around for £25m. That's a bargain if true. I've got no problem with Elneny playing a DM role.

We're missing real quality in the middle. Ozil, Cazorla and Rosicky are the best we have at creating and passing and that's not enough.

[Kano]

we should have signed a top class DM instead of Eleny,
Like who?

[Niall_Quinn]

Like who?

Vidal, 6 months ago. Fucking scandal we let that one slip. Vidal and Coquelin coupled with Alexis and Ramsey/Campbell's work rate would have been fearsome. A genuinely rock solid but capable core to the team that could have carried Wenger's follies.

There's no point talking about this. Wenger will never balance the team. I'm off to do some work, Wenger has driven me to it.

[Kano]

Vidal, 6 months ago. Fucking scandal we let that one slip. Vidal and Coquelin coupled with Alexis and Ramsey/Campbell's work rate would have been fearsome. A genuinely rock solid but capable core to the team that could have carried Wenger's follies.

There's no point talking about this. Wenger will never balance the team. I'm off to do some work, Wenger has driven me to it.

Oh come on NQ, I'm talking about January. Yes I know Wenger fucked up last summer. We should all know that by now. How long are going to keep bleating on about that rather than focus on now, the reality, present day? There is no changing that.

So the question remains, who, in this window?

[Munchies]

Guys, DAT GUY Welbeck is back

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ499u6WAAU2nT4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ4-9otWQAAOxr4.jpg


Like a new signing :bow:

No more Oxlade :bow:

[IBK]

I touched on this with Selassie a few weeks back, but TBH this has been a typical transfer window made worse by the fact that Wenger indicated at the outset that he would be 'very active' this time round. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35280259

It is really tiresome as a fan to have this 'smoke and mirrors' approach. Even more to have a manager who, no matter what he says, will simply not make pragmatic, effective purchases for the here and the now. A proven goal-scoring talent is clearly needed to really push for the league this season, as is a DMF - despite the Coq's delightfully early return. Elneny might be the latter - we don't know - but the evidence so far is that he is another 'development' type signing made with as much of an eye on not smothering his existing players as with the aim of really elevating this team.

And this approach - generally not looking to sign where a 'full blooded' signing would stifle existing players - even when they are not performing - is what justifiably leads people to ask whether Wenger has what it takes to achieve success.

[Özim]

Oh come on NQ, I'm talking about January. Yes I know Wenger fucked up last summer. We should all know that by now. How long are going to keep bleating on about that rather than focus on now, the reality, present day? There is no changing that.

So the question remains, who, in this window?

It doesn't matter who, we all know Wenger is never going to address the issues, we've got our DM so we won't be signing another.

We're never going to sign the players we should be signing in the positions we need to be signing them whilst Wenger is here, that much is clear.

If we need a centre back he'll sign a full back and try to convert him, if we need a full back he'll sign a winger or bring in some unknown, if we need a striker he'll find some attacking midfielder and put him there.

[Kano]

It doesn't matter who, we all know Wenger is never going to address the issues, we've got our DM so we won't be signing another.

We're never going to sign the players we should be signing in the positions we need to be signing them whilst Wenger is here, that much is clear.

If we need a centre back he'll sign a full back and try to convert him, if we need a full back he'll sign a winger or bring in some unknown, if we need a striker he'll find some attacking midfielder and put him there.
Of course it matters who. It's just lazy to say 'we should've signed top quality' like this is a video game. I haven't seen any significant transfers in Europe this window and going back across the past few, there have hardly been any. Why? Because no-one wants to sell in January. It's an extremely rare thing.

I don't care about the rest of your post because you can bang on about that with someone else. Yes Wenger fucked up in the summer. Yes he makes mistakes in signings for the right positions. I know all that. I'm not here to defend Wenger no matter what. I'm not interested in that discsusion because I've had it a hundred times early season and it's boring now. I'm asking you who instead of Elneny. You don't have a clue because firstly you hardly watch football and secondly the options are extremely minimal. That's the truth of the matter.

[Marc Overmars]

Must say I'm not really arsed with the January transfer window, once in a blue moon does something of note happen anywhere. WUMger fucked up 6 months ago and nothing he could have done this month would have changed that. Happy with Elmo at least, purely on the basis that he is a new option for us to try in place of underperforming players.

We're not going to find our 30 goal striker in January FFS.

[Munchies]

Talksport vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCTD5RQKRw

ffs :haha:

With Wenger in charge, you never know I guess

[Power n Glory]

Must say I'm not really arsed with the January transfer window, once in a blue moon does something of note happen anywhere. WUMger fucked up 6 months ago and nothing he could have done this month would have changed that. Happy with Elmo at least, purely on the basis that he is a new option for us to try in place of underperforming players.

We're not going to find our 30 goal striker in January FFS.

That's how I feel. I'd be happy with Yarm or Isco coming in though. Whatever it takes to push us over the line and get a new dynamic flowing in the camp.

[selassie]

I touched on this with Selassie a few weeks back, but TBH this has been a typical transfer window made worse by the fact that Wenger indicated at the outset that he would be 'very active' this time round. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35280259

It is really tiresome as a fan to have this 'smoke and mirrors' approach. Even more to have a manager who, no matter what he says, will simply not make pragmatic, effective purchases for the here and the now. A proven goal-scoring talent is clearly needed to really push for the league this season, as is a DMF - despite the Coq's delightfully early return. Elneny might be the latter - we don't know - but the evidence so far is that he is another 'development' type signing made with as much of an eye on not smothering his existing players as with the aim of really elevating this team.

And this approach - generally not looking to sign where a 'full blooded' signing would stifle existing players - even when they are not performing - is what justifiably leads people to ask whether Wenger has what it takes to achieve success.

:gp:

yep, totally agree IBK. This window has been "Classic" Wenger and I think the summer will be the same too.

[Power n Glory]

It's really frustrating but I still hope we pull something out the bag. But if we don't....to hell with it. It's on his head and if we fall short this season, I'm switching off. This really is a judge him at the end of the season moment for me. If he can't pull it off this season and make the same mistake...I won't waste my time doing the same next season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh come on NQ, I'm talking about January. Yes I know Wenger fucked up last summer. We should all know that by now. How long are going to keep bleating on about that rather than focus on now, the reality, present day? There is no changing that.

So the question remains, who, in this window?

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?

How can he bear to keep getting us within one or two more signings striking distance of having the team we need and then not push the button and get the job completed? Over and over again.

There's no point talking about who we SHOULD sign with Wenger because that rapidly becomes who the FUCK did we just sign - WHO? :doh

Honestly, I don't think he has a clue. I think he's lost it. Anyone could figure signing Alexis, Ozil and Cech is good business, you don't need 20 years experience managing the club to work that out. So where have we actually seen that experience called into play and what have the results been?

2012/13 can't be argued with. Looks like a full set of marbles.

Olivier Giroud, Lukas Podolski, Hector Bellerin, Santi Cazorla, Nacho Monreal

2013/14 Ozil, forget about it, a fool could figure that one. But look at the rest of it. A lot of marbles have gone missing.

Yaya Sanogo, Mathieu Flamini, Mesut Ozil, Semi Ajayi, Matt Macey

Recently £107million spent and Alexis and Cech are obvious improvements. Now we have cash so what is he spending it on? A lot of cash and what do we have to show for it in the starting eleven? Okay, so injury took a toll but offset that by the fact we wouldn't have seen Coquelin and Campbell come through - players he'd already passed over. He had £60mill after Alexis and Cech, look at what he got for it and think about that striker position. Or the fact Vidal was available for relative peanuts.

Alexis Sanchez, Mathieu Debuchy, David Ospina, Calum Chambers, Danny Welbeck, Krystian Bielik, Gabriel Paulista, Petr Cech, Jeff Reine Adelaide, Mohamed Elneny

Chambers he wants to convert to a midfielder, Welbeck he stuck on the wing, Gabriel can't even get a game over the Lumbering Oaf, fuck knows where Bielik has vanished to, Ospina was another in a line of keeper placeholders until we finally (after YEARS) signed proper quality.


I almost fear for what he might come up with in this transfer window. Maybe nothing is our best option.

[Niall_Quinn]

Talksport vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCTD5RQKRw

ffs :haha:

With Wenger in charge, you never know I guess

LOL

They should interview GW.


WHO?

WENGER OUT!

WTF?

WHOOOOOOOOOO?

[Kano]

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?

How can he bear to keep getting us within one or two more signings striking distance of having the team we need and then not push the button and get the job completed? Over and over again.

There's no point talking about who we SHOULD sign with Wenger because that rapidly becomes who the FUCK did we just sign - WHO? :doh

Honestly, I don't think he has a clue. I think he's lost it. Anyone could figure signing Alexis, Ozil and Cech is good business, you don't need 20 years experience managing the club to work that out. So where have we actually seen that experience called into play and what have the results been?

2012/13 can't be argued with. Looks like a full set of marbles.

Olivier Giroud, Lukas Podolski, Hector Bellerin, Santi Cazorla, Nacho Monreal

2013/14 Ozil, forget about it, a fool could figure that one. But look at the rest of it. A lot of marbles have gone missing.

Yaya Sanogo, Mathieu Flamini, Mesut Ozil, Semi Ajayi, Matt Macey

Recently £107million spent and Alexis and Cech are obvious improvements. Now we have cash so what is he spending it on? A lot of cash and what do we have to show for it in the starting eleven? Okay, so injury took a toll but offset that by the fact we wouldn't have seen Coquelin and Campbell come through - players he'd already passed over. He had £60mill after Alexis and Cech, look at what he got for it and think about that striker position. Or the fact Vidal was available for relative peanuts.

Alexis Sanchez, Mathieu Debuchy, David Ospina, Calum Chambers, Danny Welbeck, Krystian Bielik, Gabriel Paulista, Petr Cech, Jeff Reine Adelaide, Mohamed Elneny

Chambers he wants to convert to a midfielder, Welbeck he stuck on the wing, Gabriel can't even get a game over the Lumbering Oaf, fuck knows where Bielik has vanished to, Ospina was another in a line of keeper placeholders until we finally (after YEARS) signed proper quality.


I almost fear for what he might come up with in this transfer window. Maybe nothing is our best option.

Fuck. I knew you’d come back with a long(ish) one. You bastard. Although, to be honest, you could’ve just referred me back to all your other posts about Wenger.

A few months back you were saying that we had a good enough squad but it was because of the manager it wasn’t being maximised and inturn we should we killing the league (and don’t drag me back down that rabbit hole from earlier in the week). So if the squad is good enough but it is just the manager holding us, then the purchases have been ok. Certainly Ok enough to be way ahead of the current state of our opposition. But if the squad isn’t good enough, based on the poor purchases in recent seasons that you highlight above, then we are where we should be right now. It can’t work both ways.

[mastermind84]

I'm not sure you do either. Adebayor's first touch was sketchy and was never a natural finisher. I have no idea what you mean by most talented because the technical side of his game got better with time and age.

But forget all that. It just seems like a bit of a contradiction to praise Ade, who had unimpressive numbers when he first arrived and looked very unpolished, but turn your nose up at us signing this Yarm fella.
I didnt turn my nose up at Yarmolenko. I said I dont believe the rumor because its not how Arsene does things. (in buying a player for the summer in January. When has he done that? I never said a word about the guy's talent and ability)

2, when Adebayor arrived he was 21/22. IIRC, his price was low because he was a headcase at Monaco. He came here and scored 4 in 10 his first season. You think Wenger just bought Adebayor on a whim? Adebayor is like 8 goals away from passing Drogba's goal record, and is about 24 matches ahead of Drogba's pace. I said Adebayor is a good finisher, which he is. When that guy is in front of goal, we pretty much think he is going to score. He has improved at finishing since he left Arsenal. And I have no idea how you can say his first touch is terrible. IT was bad his first year at Arsenal but it improved dramatically.

He had hte potential to be much better than Drogba and we all thought he was the heir to Henry after that 2007/2008 season. He looked like he could be that for the club. If you want to have revisionism thoughts and pretend you didnt rate him that highly, cool. But his talent level is unquestionable. He just never had the mentality to be that player.



Campbell's pretty good as she's shown this season, we don't desperately need a winger, we do however desperately need a goalscorer. Giroud and Walcott are not adequate.

I disagree. And we need goals from everywhere in our attack. We dont have that right now. Campbell is good but he not scoring goals regularly enough. He is good because he is functional, but we need better.




Fair enough, it's probably not true. Or worse, it's not true but will be used anyway to keep the fans quiet with promises of jam tomorrow.

I think the worked up bit comes from the mention of yet another "utility" player that would fit into Wenger's insane tippy tappy bullshit. Wingers who can also "play there", midfielders who can "also play there". Why don't we just buy a striker, and obviously I don't mean Morata?

He's also looking at some kid from Leicester, apparently. For the full back slots. Why? So maybe the kid is talented but we have far more pressing areas that need reinforcement.

Wenger should have replaced Vieira years ago. And found a dedicated replacement for RvC when he left. Instead we've had one striker who is, let's say okay, and then wingers who can play there, or players who can be "converted" to the role and other such Wenger crap.

Santi Cazorla is our best option in the central midfield FFS! He's done well, but why have we passed up so many windows in which we could have filled that role with a genuine central midfielder suited for this league?

We've had Chamakhs and Sanogos up top, and what the hell was Welbeck all about? Why hasn't he gone out and bought a bloody quality striker given all the cash that's sloshing around and our continued and desperate need for one?

I mean what the fuck is he playing at and how complicated does this need to be?
Who is the ideal Vieira replacement or would have been? He was one of a kind.


but goal scoring wide players are out there, and Wenger has never got that. Giroud and Walcott are actually good up top, but we need goals from elsewhere. If you look at this team, we only get them from the Central forward position, Alexis, and sometimes Ramsey. We need more options.

[Power n Glory]

2, when Adebayor arrived he was 21/22. IIRC, his price was low because he was a headcase at Monaco. He came here and scored 4 in 10 his first season. You think Wenger just bought Adebayor on a whim? Adebayor is like 8 goals away from passing Drogba's goal record, and is about 24 matches ahead of Drogba's pace. I said Adebayor is a good finisher, which he is. When that guy is in front of goal, we pretty much think he is going to score. He has improved at finishing since he left Arsenal. And I have no idea how you can say his first touch is terrible. IT was bad his first year at Arsenal but it improved dramatically.

He had hte potential to be much better than Drogba and we all thought he was the heir to Henry after that 2007/2008 season. He looked like he could be that for the club. If you want to have revisionism thoughts and pretend you didnt rate him that highly, cool. But his talent level is unquestionable. He just never had the mentality to be that player.

I'm going to do this....:haha:

Nothing else to say here.

[mastermind84]

I'm going to do this....:haha:

Nothing else to say here.

good idea to be fair

You went from continuously misunderstanding what talent is to thinking I said Yarmalenko was shit. You probably should. :tiphat:

[Power n Glory]

good idea to be fair

You went from continuously misunderstanding what talent is to thinking I said Yarmalenko was shit. You probably should. :tiphat:

I don't think you know what talent is if you think he had a good touch and talk about his finishing improving. :coffee:

[Letters]

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?
The end of this season is.
If we win the league then he can't have f***ed up that badly. Chelsea have imploded but all the others are there or thereabouts where they were at this stage last season.
If we continue to stutter and fall away then I'll be #WengerOut'ing with the best of 'em.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fuck. I knew you’d come back with a long(ish) one. You bastard. Although, to be honest, you could’ve just referred me back to all your other posts about Wenger.

A few months back you were saying that we had a good enough squad but it was because of the manager it wasn’t being maximised and inturn we should we killing the league (and don’t drag me back down that rabbit hole from earlier in the week). So if the squad is good enough but it is just the manager holding us, then the purchases have been ok. Certainly Ok enough to be way ahead of the current state of our opposition. But if the squad isn’t good enough, based on the poor purchases in recent seasons that you highlight above, then we are where we should be right now. It can’t work both ways.

We do have a good enough squad to win this league, it's not much of a league tbf. But that's not the same thing as making sure the squad is as strong as it can be with the resources we have at our disposal. It'd be great to win the title this year, even better if we can win it the following year too rather than dropping back to 4th.

It's just a bad habit of Wenger's to always be leaving us one or two key players short. He won't change.

[Niall_Quinn]

Who is the ideal Vieira replacement or would have been? He was one of a kind.

Indeed, Vieira is one of a kind and I'm not saying we'll find a carbon copy of him. I mean let's get with the program and find the closest player we can to being able to fill that role in the middle. Vidal certainly had that potential. A tough, hard working bastard who links the play excellently and can look after himself when the game goes all Cattermole. 35 goals in 120 appearances for Juve too. Why not? Depending on who you listen to we're talking around £25mill. How could we have not even stuck a bid in? He might have said no, it might never have happened, but it's the fact Wenger doesn't seem remotely interested in filling these big holes in the squad that have been there for years. Okay, finally even he twigged we needed a keeper so I suppose there's still some hope he'll eventually spot the other obvious stuff too.

[Özim]

Talksport vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCTD5RQKRw

ffs :haha:

With Wenger in charge, you never know I guess

So typical of some Arsenal fans, just because we sign someone immediately assume he's going to be great even when he's made up! :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

If we win the league then he can't have f***ed up that badly.

That's not automatically true. Ferguson fucked up in his last years by letting the quality of his midfield fall off a cliff, but he still dragged a title out. We could win it this year, but that doesn't means Wenger's fuck-ups in the transfer market can be justified or excused. This would all be so, so much more worse if Coquelin hadn't stepped up. Coquelin's endeavour, which has fuck all to do with Wenger, has saved the manager from looking like the penny pinching, obsessive old goat that he is.

[Letters]

I think we all agree Wenger should have done more last summer. It seemed he tried to and while signing top players isn't like going down the shops, that's why he gets the big bucks. But as strange as this season feels, it's only Chelsea who have really collapsed. The other clubs in the top 6, including us, are not a million miles away from where they were at this stage last season. If we win the league then while not absolving Wenger of blame, it'll maybe show he's not quite as flawed as some on here make out. Not that he doesn't have his flaws of course, but so do all managers.

[selassie]

If there ever was any hope of a God existing, now is the time to prove it:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/chelsea-fifa-bertrand-traore

You gotta laugh at Chelski, they break all the rules to bring in youth and then refuse to promote them into their first team, it's comical!

[selassie]

I think we all agree Wenger should have done more last summer. It seemed he tried to and while signing top players isn't like going down the shops, that's why he gets the big bucks. But as strange as this season feels, it's only Chelsea who have really collapsed. The other clubs in the top 6, including us, are not a million miles away from where they were at this stage last season. If we win the league then while not absolving Wenger of blame, it'll maybe show he's not quite as flawed as some on here make out. Not that he doesn't have his flaws of course, but so do all managers.

Wenger tried last summer? He had no intention of adding outfield players, he said so himself many times, I'll try and dig out the quotes.

[Letters]

Wenger tried last summer? He had no intention of adding outfield players, he said so himself many times, I'll try and dig out the quotes.

He's hardly going to say "we're screwed if we don't sign any outfield players", is he?
I don't believe he wasn't trying to sign anyone.

[Kano]

Wenger tried last summer? He had no intention of adding outfield players, he said so himself many times, I'll try and dig out the quotes.

This essentially covers it

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150708/boss-theo-and-jack-can-have-big-impact

He realises he cocked up in the summer now, which is why we have Elneny. Vidal, yes we should've gone in for but someone of Elneny's level would have been far easier to source back in the summer but he chose not to. Wilshere/Coq/Arteta/Flam were seen as enough. Just like a striker on a similar level to Giroud, if better wasn't available.

But fuck it. Going back over this ground again and again is pointless. We are where we are now. That's what we have to deal with until the end of the season.

[Özim]

I think we all agree Wenger should have done more last summer. It seemed he tried to and while signing top players isn't like going down the shops, that's why he gets the big bucks.

I don't think he tried hard enough, you've got 3 months to sign players, everyone else seems to manage it, I don't understand why a club of our resources can't manage it. There's no excuse for not doing the necessary.

His transfer policy is flawed, we have similar issues in most transfer windows.

[Niall_Quinn]

This essentially covers it

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150708/boss-theo-and-jack-can-have-big-impact

He realises he cocked up in the summer now, which is why we have Elneny. Vidal, yes we should've gone in for but someone of Elneny's level would have been far easier to source back in the summer but he chose not to. Wilshere/Coq/Arteta/Flam were seen as enough. Just like a striker on a similar level to Giroud, if better wasn't available.

But fuck it. Going back over this ground again and again is pointless. We are where we are now. That's what we have to deal with until the end of the season.

True, we are where we are. So how many times is Wenger going to get away with it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsène Wenger expects the likes of Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere to have a big impact next season.
The Arsenal duo both missed long periods of the 2014/15 campaign, but made significant contributions upon their return as the Gunners won the FA Cup.
“The best way to strengthen other areas of the team is to get the players who did not play a lot last year and keep them fit,” Wenger told Arsenal Player.
“Walcott basically did not play until the end of the season, Wilshere has not played many games. Those two were very convincing at the end of the season so I hope that this season we can benefit from their participation and competitiveness.
“We lost Ozil and Giroud for long periods last year and they contributed a lot in the second part of the season. Let’s hope all these players will be fit and available.
“After, if we can still add some quality, we will do it.”


He's a fucking joker, isn't he? Relying on crocks not to get injured and then throwing his usual bullshit about "quality" into the pot. We could get a tramp from under a railway bridge and he'd have more quality than Sanogo - so why did he bring him in? Quality? Nothing to do with it.

[Kano]

True, we are where we are. So how many times is Wenger going to get away with it?

As long as the board decide. We both know that is the truth. I've always said fans have a decision to make regarding their patience. Rumours are he will be awarded another contract, so then what? Three more years of saying the same thing? I'm all for talking about ideal scenarios but I'd much rather have my feet planted in reality. You tend not to go crazy that way.

[Niall_Quinn]

And today:


Arsene Wenger insists that Arsenal do not need to buy in order to keep up their challenge for a first Premier League title since 2004.
Wenger did not buy a single outfield player last summer, and has made just one signing in this window, bringing in midfielder Mohamed Elneny, who is yet to make his debut.
But with the likes of Francis Coquelin, Danny Welbeck and Tomas Rosicky returning to fitness, Wenger believes that there is no need to invest further.

'Welbeck is coming back and Alexis Sanches is back,' said Wenger on Friday. We have the quality and the players that we need up front.'

Broken record.

[Niall_Quinn]

As long as the board decide. We both know that is the truth. I've always said fans have a decision to make regarding their patience. Rumours are he will be awarded another contract, so then what? Three more years of saying the same thing? I'm all for talking about ideal scenarios but I'd much rather have my feet planted in reality. You tend not to go crazy that way.

Easiest job in football. Nice if you can get it.

[mastermind84]

Indeed, Vieira is one of a kind and I'm not saying we'll find a carbon copy of him. I mean let's get with the program and find the closest player we can to being able to fill that role in the middle. Vidal certainly had that potential. A tough, hard working bastard who links the play excellently and can look after himself when the game goes all Cattermole. 35 goals in 120 appearances for Juve too. Why not? Depending on who you listen to we're talking around £25mill. How could we have not even stuck a bid in? He might have said no, it might never have happened, but it's the fact Wenger doesn't seem remotely interested in filling these big holes in the squad that have been there for years. Okay, finally even he twigged we needed a keeper so I suppose there's still some hope he'll eventually spot the other obvious stuff too.

Vidal has a hot knee and is allegedly an alcoholic. He also doesnt play that position with Bayern. He plays kind of like Ramsey, imo.

Saying that, you are right we needed a holder to go along with Coquelin. But more than anything, we need a Thiago or Modric type. We dont have a real controller in our midfield. Santi is the closest to that but he too small and getting older.

[IBK]

Wenger tried last summer? He had no intention of adding outfield players, he said so himself many times, I'll try and dig out the quotes.

I don't think he 'tried' either. Wenger has long form in implying that he tried to be active, but the word does not mean the same in his context as it does in the real world. 'tried' seems to mean 'wait for a player to fall into his lap at his valuation not the market price'. Doesn't mean much, TBH.

[Niall_Quinn]

Deadline Day. One of the two quietest days of the year at Arsenal.

[Marc Overmars]

Berahino and Doumbia to Newcastle. :wacko:

[Letters]

Broken record.
Oh the ironing...

[selassie]

He's hardly going to say "we're screwed if we don't sign any outfield players", is he?
I don't believe he wasn't trying to sign anyone.

As usual you have to go to extremes to justify Wenger's mismanagement of the squad, there is no middle ground with you Letters!

Wenger does the bare minimum every single window, he leaves us short in areas of the squad every single season and has been doing this for quite a number of years, it's not like I am calling him out for making a small mistake with the squad, the season before we went into it with 3 CB's of which one of them hadn't even played their at a professional level, it was utterly ridiculous and he continues to do this every single season with various areas of the squad.

What I don't understand and can't get my head around is why he does this? He has everything he needs to build a competitive squad and keep us stocked in all areas, he's building the squad the way it is by design, it's totally unnecessary.

I know we've discussed this to death and Kano is right in as much as it's becoming kind of boring to discuss but I don't understand how you can justify Wenger's actions or lack of them? It's not difficult to buy players or add to the squad, it's only difficult if you make it so.

[Letters]

I don't understand how you can justify Wenger's actions or lack of them?
I'm not. I've said repeatedly he should have done more last summer :good:
I just don't buy that he didn't try to. But, ultimately, he failed to land a big signing and he is responsible for that if it costs us.

[selassie]

I'm not. I've said repeatedly he should have done more last summer :good:
I just don't buy that he didn't try to. But, ultimately, he failed to land a big signing and he is responsible for that if it costs us.

Fair enough.

When you say that you don't buy he didn't try, do you think he actively tried to add outfield players to the squad but had bids rejected?

[Letters]

I don't know really, who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Zim said in another post that he didn't try hard enough and, for once, I agree with him.

[dostoy]

If Messi walked through his door and said he was free as he had left Barca and that he would play for £100 pounds a week, then Wenger might say yes after trying to get Messi down to £50 a week of course.

Other than that forget it.

Seriously, Debuchy, Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky all out in the summer.

[selassie]

If Messi walked through his door and said he was free as he had left Barca and that he would play for £100 pounds a week, then Wenger might say yes after trying to get Messi down to £50 a week of course.

Other than that forget it.

Seriously, Debuchy, Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky all out in the summer.

:lol:

[Munchies]

Watford buying a French CM for £8m

On top of Mario Suarez from Fiorentina

[selassie]

I don't know really, who knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Zim said in another post that he didn't try hard enough and, for once, I agree with him.

Right so we are all in agreement then? :blink:

[IBK]

I'm not. I've said repeatedly he should have done more last summer :good:
I just don't buy that he didn't try to. But, ultimately, he failed to land a big signing and he is responsible for that if it costs us.

Wemger's latest comments
Arsene Wenger says any further signings before the transfer deadline are unlikely, but that you can never say never if something exceptional presents itself.

..and that sums it up for me - something has to 'present itself'. You can say that this is just a soundbite, but it seems closer to the truth given the years of evidence that we have. There seems to be an element of players falling into the manager's lap, or otherwise being ignored. Whether its principles or something else, if a club happens to want to release a player whom Wenger has long admired (Ozil; Sanchez; Cech), he will go for them. Otherwise, the manager seems to be hamstrung bu his obsession with not paying over the odds for proven talent - and even where we have a pressing need for a player getting 'value' seems to trump the manager's desire for success.

And frankly - based on the evidence at Arsenal and the increseing quality of signings elsewhere in the league, I don't the manager is 'trying' in the way he should to find players who will kick on from what we have. I hope that I am not one of those on here who is so blinkered that they can't see any merit in our manager at all, and in Bellerin; Monreal; Coquelin; Koscielny - even Campbell, he signed players with promise who have become first team regulars. But he has been fortunate wth a number of our 'developed' players - who have often not been on the track to the first team, but been given their chance via circumstances outside the manager's control.

Whether it is that the omnipotent Wenger is spread too thin, or because our scouting/administrative network has become complacent...or perhaps that the manager has too much faith in existing squad players, our performances in the transfer windows are not strong, and even seem to be getting worse. It seems astonishing that such a well paid and regarded manager seems every season to be content with getting by on a wing and a prayer rather than being more pragmatic and doing what it takes to give his team the best opportunity to win. This, rather than the minutiae of his tactics are what I think pisses so many of us off.

[Munchies]

The Daily Star says Messi wants to move to London, and Arsenal are his preferred destination, but his eye-watering £600,000-a-week wage could price him out of any deal.


:lol:

[selassie]

Wemger's latest comments

..and that sums it up for me - something has to 'present itself'. You can say that this is just a soundbite, but it seems closer to the truth given the years of evidence that we have. There seems to be an element of players falling into the manager's lap, or otherwise being ignored. Whether its principles or something else, if a club happens to want to release a player whom Wenger has long admired (Ozil; Sanchez; Cech), he will go for them. Otherwise, the manager seems to be hamstrung bu his obsession with not paying over the odds for proven talent - and even where we have a pressing need for a player getting 'value' seems to trump the manager's desire for success.

And frankly - based on the evidence at Arsenal and the increseing quality of signings elsewhere in the league, I don't the manager is 'trying' in the way he should to find players who will kick on from what we have. I hope that I am not one of those on here who is so blinkered that they can't see any merit in our manager at all, and in Bellerin; Monreal; Coquelin; Koscielny - even Campbell, he signed players with promise who have become first team regulars. But he has been fortunate wth a number of our 'developed' players - who have often not been on the track to the first team, but been given their chance via circumstances outside the manager's control.

Whether it is that the omnipotent Wenger is spread too thin, or because our scouting/administrative network has become complacent...or perhaps that the manager has too much faith in existing squad players, our performances in the transfer windows are not strong, and even seem to be getting worse. It seems astonishing that such a well paid and regarded manager seems every season to be content with getting by on a wing and a prayer rather than being more pragmatic and doing what it takes to give his team the best opportunity to win. This, rather than the minutiae of his tactics are what I think pisses so many of us off.

This!

:gp:

[I am invisible]

The Daily Star says Messi wants to move to London, and Arsenal are his preferred destination, but his eye-watering £600,000-a-week wage could price him out of any deal.


:lol:

www.shoot.co.uk/wenger-i-wouldnt-say-no-to-signing-messi (http://www.shoot.co.uk/wenger-i-wouldnt-say-no-to-signing-messi/?)

Good God people, how much more proof do you need!

[Bumble]

www.shoot.co.uk/wenger-i-wouldnt-say-no-to-signing-messi (http://www.shoot.co.uk/wenger-i-wouldnt-say-no-to-signing-messi/?)

Good God people, how much more proof do you need!

Also don't forget he has played with Sanchez before and played against Ozil. Also cutting tax deals in the UK is possible.

[Marc Overmars]

The Mail are reporting United are considering taking Debuchy on loan. :lol:

[I am invisible]

Also don't forget he has played with Sanchez before and played against Ozil. Also cutting tax deals in the UK is possible.

And - AND - Pep is definitely going to be our next manager.

[I am invisible]

The Mail are reporting United are considering taking Debuchy on loan. :lol:

Awesome! Let's dick them around until midnight and then pull the plug...

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh the ironing...

Wenger is calling the shots, not me. My tune is a reflection on his and will change when his changes. You think I or any other critic should stop criticising him for being a fuck up without him having to refrain for being a fuck up? Wouldn't that just make his job even easier than it is now? I mean apart from counting money, what else does he do apart from make excuses?

[Niall_Quinn]

The Daily Star says Messi wants to move to London, and Arsenal are his preferred destination, but his eye-watering £600,000-a-week wage could price him out of any deal.


:lol:

They ran that a few months back. I guess today is a good day to roll it out again, saves doing work.

[Bumble]

Awesome! Let's dick them around until midnight and then pull the plug...

No do the deal, its pay back time for Silvestre.

[GP]

No do the deal, its pay back time for Silvestre.

How's that? Debuchy is a very good player.

[Niall_Quinn]

Can't recall who it was that ruined Debuchy's career at Arsenal before it really got started. Some pubber who would have got done for assault if he'd have thugged out like that anywhere bar on a football pitch. I suppose he's still hacking his way across the country to this day while Debuchy now has to kick his career off again. Alexis was lucky to avoid the same fate when some other pubber tried to kill him.

[Kano]

It was that overrated Stoke prick I think, Arnautovic who shoved him into the advertising hoardings.

But he definitely isn't that type of player.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Cavani is apparently being hawked around as he wants to leave PSG

[Niall_Quinn]

Cavani is apparently being hawked around as he wants to leave PSG

Doesn't have the quality of Theo.

[Niall_Quinn]

Window looks like it's a comprehensive non-event. Townsend sliding down the career ladder seems to be the highlight.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Doesn't have the quality of Theo.

Oh shit yeh, I forgot :ilt:

[Power n Glory]

Plenty of names flying around this window. Plenty that could help our season too. We've been here before. Promises of us working hard and being active and then in the final stages we start getting the 'super quality' type quotes and banking on players returning from injury.

[IBK]

Plenty of names flying around this window. Plenty that could help our season too. We've been here before. Promises of us working hard and being active and then in the final stages we start getting the 'super quality' type quotes and banking on players returning from injury.

Yes - the same every time. I don't even know why Wenger bothers to pretend - we all know the deal.

[Letters]

Can't recall who it was that ruined Debuchy's career at Arsenal before it really got started.
Wenger?





Am I doing this right?
:run:

[Power n Glory]

Yes - the same every time. I don't even know why Wenger bothers to pretend - we all know the deal.

Almost every year. It's his decision at the end of the day. Patience is running low and I'm starting to not care how it's done, just as long as we get the job done. No excuses this year.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger?





Am I doing this right?
:run:

Could have been pure luck, I'll wait and see how it goes.

[Letters]

:lol:

[Munchies]

Stoke paying £18m on a French CDM from Porto

Upgrading on Glenn Whelan

What clubs do I guess

[Kano]

Porto bought him last summer, he played 10 league games and now they're ripping off Stoke :lol:

[Munchies]

:lol:

Good.

Sanogo could be moving to Charlton on a permanent deal. BBC reporting it just now

[GP]

Poor Charlton.

[Globalgunner]

:lol:

Good.

Sanogo could be moving to Charlton on a permanent deal. BBC reporting it just now

I hope we will be compensating them adequately for sparing Wenger`s blushes. Jeepers he was bad!

[Munchies]

Whenever you see the fa cup final 2014 ramsey goal, you'll remember him.

Sanogo loses the ball to Giroud... RAMSEYYYYYYYY

Imagine if we had a proper striker during 13/14 eh. Starting against Bayern too lol

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_ibfWpAqU

[Marc Overmars]

Whenever you see the fa cup final 2014 ramsey goal, you'll remember him.

Sanogo loses the ball to Giroud... RAMSEYYYYYYYY

Imagine if we had a proper striker during 13/14 eh. Starting against Bayern too lol

He was actually quite good in the cup final, Hull couldn't really cope with the unpredictability of his play.

But yeah, he was a shocking player. WUMger at his finest.