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[Munchies]

Throw the damn towel.

Another season :rose:

2 wins in 7 :rose:

[Thierrymon]

One season where we had a realistic chance to win and Wenger has thrown it away with his arrogance and incompetence.

[Marc Overmars]

Should have won, we didn't. We need points on the board, not hard luck stories.

Back in 4th where we belong. Feel like a mug for thinking this season would be any different.

Spuds have caught us up FFS. :doh:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We are still in with a shot

Still three points clear at the top, in the hunt for the only trophy that matters to us

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Utter cock.

Maybe one day when Wenger plays a midfield again but we have a serious problem against Koeman teams.

[selassie]

We've been in freefall for a while now, I don't even know what to say.

[Maestro]

Utter cock.

Maybe one day when Wenger plays a midfield again but we have a serious problem against Koeman teams.

Our real problem is now clearly with one thing and one man, Wenger

[Letters]

#WengerOut
#FYOut
#GaryOut (as he got FY the ticket).

Sod the lot of them :fury:

[selassie]

Our real problem is now clearly with one thing and one man, Wenger

If we finish below Leicester and Spurs this season then Wenger should walk out of principle.

[Maestro]

Apart from Letters and Ty, I can't really see how anyone still wants Wenger at this club:sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

Our real problem is now clearly with one thing and one man, Wenger

What happens if we win the FA Cup again? We'll be totally fucked.

[gunnerrrrr]

One season where we had a realistic chance to win and Wenger has thrown it away with his arrogance and incompetence.

Wenger is living in the past, he has no idea what to do when teams play us at a high intensity. The majority of his early work was built on new ideas and an edge in player fitness....well every manager has caught up and Wenger gets buy on his football experience however with the players he has he has to do better.

Make no mistake we have bottled this 100%....we have some serious away games to play, we are unable to score and our midfield looks broken...

Flamini and Ramsey? Why not play Ramsey up top or change the team shape etc etc....Wenger is just a dinosaur in a modern game unfortunately.

[Niall_Quinn]

If we finish below Leicester and Spurs this season then Wenger should walk out of principle.

We won't finish below them :haha:

We'll generate at least TWICE as much profit.

[Letters]

Apart from Letters and Ty, I can't really see how anyone still wants Wenger at this club:sulk:

I've said repeatedly that if we fall away from the title challenge Wenger should go...

[LDG]

Easiest chance we've ever had to win this fucking title.

Cunts.

[Globalgunner]

Our real problem is now clearly with one thing and one man, Wenger

I've been banging on about it for 5 years now. Sorry but we will never win anything of significance with this loser in charge. Get ready for 4 more years of his grandstanding procrastination and outright lies. He is a bullshit dispenser. All he cares about is keeping this job with the minimum of risk to himself. 3 world class players are not enough to make up for his deficiencies. You need at least 6, maybe 8.

[Kano]

If we finish below Leicester and Spurs this season then Wenger should walk out of principle.

People need to realise that unless there is clear and constant dissent in the stadium towards Wenger, he will remain here until the board decides otherwise.

The players also have to take full tell responsibility for this slump in form.

[Maestro]

If we finish below Leicester and Spurs this season then Wenger should walk out of principle.

Quite clearly he has no humility principles, only the baying mob at the gates will make him walk. Nothing else, both the board and manager have such a contempt for fan opinion, it will take near enough violence to dethrone Wenger ...in other words not likely to happen anytime soon

[Marc Overmars]

Lol just lol if we don't beat Leicester in a couple of weeks.

[Ralpheroo72]

Clean sheet :trophy:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Depressing as hell. We're just not capable of winning a title under Wenger any more despite whatever improvement in playing staff we make. Our best chance in years and we're fucking this up massively ............ god knows when or if we get an opportunity as good as this again.

They must have known this was an important game so why the hell didn't we go at them from minute 1 instead of letting it drag on.


Oh yeah ...... fuck off FakeYank and whoever gave him a ticket. :doh:

STAY.AWAY.

[Maestro]

People need to realise that unless there is clear and constant dissent in the stadium towards Wenger, he will remain here until the board decides otherwise.

The players also have to take full tell responsibility for this slump in form.

This, agreed. Only armed struggle can remove ve stubborn dictators

[Maestro]

Lol just lol if we don't beat Leicester in a couple of weeks.

That will be an interesting game.

[Özim]

I've been banging on about it for 5 years now. Sorry but we will never win anything of significance with this loser in charge. Get ready for 4 more years of his grandstanding procrastination and outright lies. He is a bullshit dispenser. All he cares about is keeping this job with the minimum of risk to himself. £ world class players are not enough to make up for his deficiencies. You need at least 6, maybe 8.

Totally agree, bottlejob is turning us into a joke. This was predictable though, the collapse always happens when we're well placed, it will never change.

We need a manager with some balls who gets more out of the players and can motivate them, use tactics, make the necessary signings and not live on past reputation.

Joke of a manager, the fact Spurs are ahead of us after we lead the table and were so well placed tells you everything, 4th place bottlers.

[Munchies]

Just thinking of next season is giving me the shits

Fuck off Wenger

[Niall_Quinn]

People need to realise that unless there is clear and constant dissent in the stadium towards Wenger, he will remain here until the board decides otherwise.

The players also have to take full tell responsibility for this slump in form.

What slump in form? We have been playing shite for weeks and it coincides with Wenger's decision to have nothing in reserve when Coquelin got injured. That and his sudden desire to hang on to 1 goal leads when we've never been able to do it.

One man has carefully constructed this incompetent tilt at the easiest title in years and he's been working studiously to fuck things up since last summer. Even this month he goes and buys cover who is apparently not ready to play in the PL.

The guy has a serious mental problem. Surely people can see that? Poor bastard. Somebody should be helping him rather than subjecting him to the intense pressure of PL football.

[selassie]

People need to realise that unless there is clear and constant dissent in the stadium towards Wenger, he will remain here until the board decides otherwise.

The players also have to take full tell responsibility for this slump in form.

Oh he's here to stay, I'm well aware of that, I'm just so f*ckin pissed off right now, even I didn't think we'd stumble like this. Yeah we're still in touching distance but we have looked quite comfortably the worst of the top 4 teams for a while now, this lot won't be going to Spurs and City and winning, I'm pretty sure of that, I don't even think we'll beat Leicester in a few weeks time at Home.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger is a complete idiot for playing Ramsey and Flamini again. Ramsey has no fucking clue of how to run a midfield and build play. Last 10 minutes of the game I see him roll a ball over to wide position from deep which slows us down and then burst right past Sanchez and into the box leaving Sanchez with nobody to pass to in the middle. Who the heck does that? What sort of central midfielder is he? Fucking brainless.

Speaking of brainless...Theo fucking Walcott. Stop always looking for the ball behind defenders. Take the ball to your feet, work the ball, play the one two, work your way into the box, don't simple make dead straight runs into the box that would take a miracle ball and miracle first touch beyond your fucking capabilities to control! What's wrong with this guy?

Giroud - how many shots does he manage to muster up a game? A stiff, static statue. Move around in the box FFS! Ozil and Sanchez were playing smart passes all night but the intelligent runs just weren't there.

Bellerin - how many shit crosses did he put in?

Cech, Sancehz and Ozil were the only players on their game. Monreal wasn't bad either and the CB's looked decent besides some shaky moments. Southampton weren't really a threat. Unbelievable. I can't believe we are blowing our chance.

[Master Splinter]

Poor finishing cost us an easy three points. Ozil, Walcott, Koscielny and Alexis all should have scored. Forster had an excellent game, but some of the them were directly at him.

Gabriel really dodgy at the back. Monreal our best player again.

Ref a complete and utter cheat. We ended up with two yellows to their one. :haha:

Need to make up for this profligacy and increasingly poor goal difference in the upcoming games. 0-8 at Bournemouth please.

[Letters]

Oh yeah ...... fuck off FakeYank and whoever gave him a ticket. :doh:

STAY.AWAY.
:gp:

:angry:

[Niall_Quinn]

That will be an interesting game.

Now that we're out of the race we were never genuinely in I want Ranieri's lot to win it. So I bet we go and take 3 points of them.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Just thinking of next season is giving me the shits

Funny thing is that despite how scary it seems with all the world class managers potentially in the PL next year, I would fully expect us to get fourth. You can always guarantee that with Wenger. :rolleyes:

[Marc Overmars]

Imagine coming from America and always see us failing to win. Fakeyank is one poor bastard.

[Letters]

Funny thing is that despite how scary it seems with all the world class managers potentially in the PL next year, I would fully expect us to get fourth. You can always guarantee that with Wenger. :rolleyes:

And that is an achievement that shouldn't be underestimated. But even with players like Sanchez, Ozil and Cech around he still can't push us on.
There's no more excuses left, we're not completely out of it but we're increasingly looking like also-rans and with this squad that just isn't good enough.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is a complete idiot for playing Ramsey and Flamini again. Ramsey has no fucking clue of how to run a midfield and build play. Last 10 minutes of the game I see him roll a ball over to wide position from deep which slows us down and then burst right past Sanchez and into the box leaving Sanchez with nobody to pass to in the middle. Who the heck does that? What sort of central midfielder is he? Fucking brainless.

Speaking of brainless...Theo fucking Walcott. Stop always looking for the ball behind defenders. Take the ball to your feet, work the ball, play the one two, work your way into the box, don't simple make dead straight runs into the box that would take a miracle ball and miracle first touch beyond your fucking capabilities to control! What's wrong with this guy?

Giroud - how many shots does he manage to muster up a game? A stiff, static statue. Move around in the box FFS! Ozil and Sanchez were playing smart passes all night but the intelligent runs just weren't there.

Bellerin - how many shit crosses did he put in?

Cech, Sancehz and Ozil were the only players on their game. Monreal wasn't bad either and the CB's looked decent besides some shaky moments. Southampton weren't really a threat. Unbelievable. I can't believe we are blowing our chance.

Or summarised. DM and striker required in the summer. Wenger in charge of the transfer window. Title shot finished. Not even the likes of Ozil, Cech and Alexis can pull us through Wenger's obscene negligence. He never even attempted to build a team. He just sat there hoping the usual injury crisis wouldn't happen this time. An idiot repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

[Kano]

What slump in form? We have been playing shite for weeks and it coincides with Wenger's decision to have nothing in reserve when Coquelin got injured. That and his sudden desire to hang on to 1 goal leads when we've never been able to do it.

One man has carefully constructed this incompetent tilt at the easiest title in years and he's been working studiously to fuck things up since last summer. Even this month he goes and buys cover who is apparently not ready to play in the PL.

The guy has a serious mental problem. Surely people can see that? Poor bastard. Somebody should be helping him rather than subjecting him to the intense pressure of PL football.
Form as in results, isn't that the obvious change recently that has seen has drop places down the league?

The point still stands. He will remain here until the board decide otherwise. If fans outside of the Internet believe otherwise passionately enough, then they have to become more vocal.

The players are also just as culpable. Wenger is not sending in dodgy crosses, missing sitters and making poor decisions all over the pitch.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Also seeing as we only seem to play well in calender seasons, to compensate for how well 2015 was, I fully expect the entire of 2016 to be rubbish now including the start of next season. :rolleyes:

[Letters]

Also seeing as we only seem to play well in calender seasons, to compensate for how well 2015 was, I fully expect the entire of 2016 to be rubbish now including the start of next season. :rolleyes:

2015 Calendar Year Champions though.

:trophy:

They can't take that imaginary trophy away from us. :cool:
Mostly because it's imaginary, but still.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Imagine coming from America and always see us failing to win. Fakeyank is one poor bastard.

He's going to be even poorer after shelling out for Arsenal tickets.

[Munchies]

Or summarised. DM and striker required in the summer. Wenger in charge of the transfer window. Title shot finished. Not even the likes of Ozil, Cech and Alexis can pull us through Wenger's obscene negligence. He never even attempted to build a team. He just sat there hoping the usual injury crisis wouldn't happen this time. An idiot repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Required EVERY summer but for some fucking reason it never fucking happens

Fuck sake

The guy needs to go

[selassie]

Or summarised. DM and striker required in the summer. Wenger in charge of the transfer window. Title shot finished. Not even the likes of Ozil, Cech and Alexis can pull us through Wenger's obscene negligence. He never even attempted to build a team. He just sat there hoping the usual injury crisis wouldn't happen this time. An idiot repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Yep :gp:

He'll do it again next season too! Happy days.

200million in the bank and he pretty much refuses to spend it :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Form as in results, isn't that the obvious change recently that has seen has drop places down the league?

The point still stands. He will remain here until the board decide otherwise. If fans outside of the Internet believe otherwise passionately enough, then they have to become more vocal.

The players are also just as culpable. Wenger is not sending in dodgy crosses, missing sitters and making poor decisions all over the pitch.

You mean kill Ty?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

2015 Calendar Year Champions though.

:trophy:

They can't take that imaginary trophy away from us. :cool:
Mostly because it's imaginary, but still.

Genuinely starting to think that this isn't a coincidence any more and that Wenger thinks that winning a calender season means that you win the title.

[adzzzbatch]

Walking away from the ground with saints fans in full voice, it's fucking sad :( wankers!

[Power n Glory]

Or summarised. DM and striker required in the summer. Wenger in charge of the transfer window. Title shot finished. Not even the likes of Ozil, Cech and Alexis can pull us through Wenger's obscene negligence. He never even attempted to build a team. He just sat there hoping the usual injury crisis wouldn't happen this time. An idiot repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

I'm not even sure a striker or DM would have helped us. Knowing Wenger he'd have crocked them by now or just left them out of the team. How the heck can Ramsey and Flamini still start games and he have Coquelin on the bench and Elneny not even in the squad?

How the heck can you talk about only wanting super quality players in the window but turn around and say Elneny isn't ready for the Prem? What's wrong with this guy?

[Niall_Quinn]

On the plus side. I thought we showed great spirit. There is a togetherness in this squad.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Walking away from the ground with saints fans in full voice, it's fucking sad :( wankers!

What's the atmosphere like? Is there a lot of anger from the matchgoers?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

On the plus side. I thought we showed great spirit. There is a togetherness in this squad.

We just lacked a bit of sharpness tonight.

[LDG]

The collapse is in full swing now.

Hilariously, it is actually Groundhog Day as well.

[Munchies]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan

:haha:

Piers :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the atmosphere like? Is there a lot of anger from the matchgoers?

Home game. They're not going to let it spoil their holidays.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan

:haha:

Piers :bow:

tfw you have to end up siding with Piers fucking Morgan. :getcoat:

Someone shoot me now.

[Niall_Quinn]

The collapse is in full swing now.

Hilariously, it is actually Groundhog Day as well.

Yeah well let's just hope we can at least manage St Totteringham's Day. Or are we going to blow that too, despite having better players in the squad? Hard to comprehend how Wenger has gotten away with this for so long.

[Power n Glory]

3 games without a goal. Time for Giroud to get dropped.

[Niall_Quinn]

Leicester 24 18 50
Man City 24 23 47
Cunts 24 25 45
Arsenal 24 15 45

Wenger :bow:

He'll always find a way.

[Özim]

Wenger is indeed proving that he's a specialist in failure, disgraceful collapse again this season, it's true you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I expect we'll be repeating the same sh*t next season as well and the season after that up until the guy leaves. Still it's not all bad, he's lining the boards and his own pockets, someone has to win I guess.

[Gooner23]

Bottle job well and truly on again.

Tossers the lot of them.

[Niall_Quinn]

3 games without a goal. Time for Giroud to get dropped.

Yeah, we have Theo who can play there.

Actually, why not just stick Iwobi up there and see what the kid does. How can he get less than zero goals?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Anyone got his post match interview yet?

[Gooner23]

Anyone got his post match interview yet?

I'm sure we can predict what he'll say.

[Master Splinter]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan

:haha:

Piers :bow:

You know disappointment can be expressed without relying on the opinions of utter scumbags, cretins and morons from the world of social media?

It won't lessen your WENGCUNT E-RAGE 2016 if you fail to quote a cunt.

[Chippy]

If we finish below Leicester and Spurs this season then Wenger should walk out of principle.
The cunt should have gone five years ago! Fucking cunt!! The fucking scum are going to finish above us! Fuck Wenger and fuck the board!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Anyone got his post match interview yet?

Pathé.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYimtSRWQAACz__.jpg

It's going to get worse guys

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is indeed proving that he's a specialist in failure, disgraceful collapse again this season, it's true you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I expect we'll be repeating the same sh*t next season as well and the season after that up until the guy leaves. Still it's not all bad, he's lining the boards and his own pockets, someone has to win I guess.

I think we need to judge him at the end of next season. Knee-jerk reactions over a decade seem a little hasty to me. Besides, it could be all very different next season. Especially with the chavs and gypos and utd getting their management problems sorted and getting their chequebooks out. Two example of the vulgarity we wouldn't stoop to here at Arsenal.

More champagne anyone?

[LDG]

I'm sure we can predict what he'll say.

"Overall it is a frustrating night for us. I feel we made the best chances, but their goal keeper made some good saves, and perhaps our finishing was a little bit short"

[Özim]

At any normal club the guy would lose his job, trouble is there's such greed at this club that he'll get a new contract despite about 2 fans still wanting him here.

I hope he gets a f*cking roasting from some journalist, as far as I'm concerned this is his comeuppance for his incompetence, such neglect and amateur management at this level should be shown up for what it is.

He doesn't deserve any better, he's a dinosaur who should have left years ago, and if he had we might actually be dreaming about title wins.

[Munchies]

"Overall it is a frustrating night for us. I feel we made the best chances, but their goal keeper made some good saves, and perhaps our finishing was a little bit short"


He literally just said that :haha:

[LDG]

He literally just said that :haha:

Well it's not that hard to predict Wengbot is it?

Failure programmed into his hard drive.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The cunt should have gone five years ago! Fucking cunt!! The fucking scum are going to finish above us! Fuck Wenger and fuck the board!

Granted the Wenger anger is understandable and perfectly right but lets not resort to calling him "cunt" or any other such vile names - he's still our manager and deserves to be treated with some modicum of respect. Save those terms for people who deserve it like Mourinho or Piers Morgan.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well it's not that hard to predict Wengbot is it?

Failure programmed into his hard drive.

It's failure season on Sky Arts.

[Niall_Quinn]

He literally just said that :haha:

I think he was quoting him.

But for me he's mixed it up a bit there. I like the "little bit short" instead of "lacked little bit sharpness". Progress.

[Kano]

Granted the Wenger anger is understandable and perfectly right but lets not resort to calling him "cunt" or any other such vile names - he's still our manager and deserves to be treated with some modicum of respect. Save those terms for people who deserve it like Mourinho or Piers Morgan.

Wengcunt :bow:

[adzzzbatch]

What's the atmosphere like? Is there a lot of anger from the matchgoers?

No, not really just a lot of resignation. *sigh*

[Niall_Quinn]

Wengcunt :bow:

Prefer Walcunt. The player who only turns up as part of an ongoing contract negotiation.

[Niall_Quinn]

Claude on Arsenal Fan TV - could be a live suicide.

[Munchies]

Claude on Arsenal Fan TV - could be a live suicide.


:popcorn:

[Letters]

Walking away from the ground with saints fans in full voice, it's fucking sad :( wankers!

I hope you punched FY in the balls.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Wengcunt :bow:

:sarcy:


No, not really just a lot of resignation. *sigh*

7 stages of grief tbh.

They won't hit full anger until at least an hour from now.

We however on GW are on a fast timetable.

[Letters]

Claude on Arsenal Fan TV - could be a live suicide.

:lol:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Claude on Arsenal Fan TV - could be a live suicide.

May finally be worth watching then tbh.

[Munchies]

Arsene Wenger involved in tunnel bust-up with Ronald Koeman after Southampton failure

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/694646414236848132

:haha:

[Letters]

The Gunners are held to a goalless draw in a thrilling match at Emirates Stadium
Arsenal on my FB feed. Thrilling :lol:

[Özim]

Arsene Wenger involved in tunnel bust-up with Ronald Koeman after Southampton failure

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/694646414236848132

:haha:

He's an embarrassment to be honest, I'd call him a sore loser but then he doesn't really do that much to win, so he's just a loser.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Arsene Wenger involved in tunnel bust-up with Ronald Koeman after Southampton failure

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/694646414236848132

:haha:

Jesus, he's actually losing it.

[Chippy]

That will be an interesting game.

Erm! I will be cheering Leicester AND City for the rest of the season to stop the Scum having a chance!

[Power n Glory]

Arsene Wenger involved in tunnel bust-up with Ronald Koeman after Southampton failure

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/694646414236848132

:haha:

Probably ended up with nose bleed and lost that battle as well. Loser.

[Chippy]

Granted the Wenger anger is understandable and perfectly right but lets not resort to calling him "cunt" or any other such vile names - he's still our manager and deserves to be treated with some modicum of respect. Save those terms for people who deserve it like Mourinho or Piers Morgan.
All respect has gone! He is a fucking dinosaur! Get rid.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Claude on Arsenal Fan TV - could be a live suicide.

*Has a vision of those Buddhist monks setting themselves on fire*

[Munchies]

next 5 league games:

Bournemouth (a)
Leicester (h)
Man Utd (a)
Swansea (h)
Spurs (a)

[The Emirates Gallactico]

next 5 league games:

Bournemouth (a)
Leicester (h)
Man Utd (a)
Swansea (h)
Spurs (a)

Only way to redeem things is with a full 15 points sweep and there's zero chance we can win at Shite Hart Lane with the form they're in.

[Marc Overmars]

Koeman in tbh.

[Thierrymon]

Arsene Wenger involved in tunnel bust-up with Ronald Koeman after Southampton failure

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/694646414236848132

:haha:

A fight between two people and he'd still find a way finish fourth.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Nah Koeman is dodgy as well.


Seeing as we've let Klopp, Ancelotti and Pep go, I'd really fancy Thomas Tuchel from Dortmund - he's doing wonderful things there. Only problem is that this is his first year so he may not want to leave.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jesus, he's actually losing it.

"The 4th is strong with this one"

:-)

[Marc Overmars]

next 5 league games:

Bournemouth (a)
Leicester (h)
Man Utd (a)
Swansea (h)
Spurs (a)

Plenty more dropped points on the way. We may even go into the United game knowing a loss could see us down to 5th.

[Chippy]

Only way to redeem things is with a full 15 points sweep and there's zero chance we can win at Shite Hart Lane with the form they're in.
Agreed, the Scum must be rubbing their hands together for our visit. We could lose heavily.

[Marc Overmars]

Nah Koeman is dodgy as well.


Seeing as we've let Klopp, Ancelotti and Pep go, I'd really fancy Thomas Tuchel from Dortmund - he's doing wonderful things there. Only problem is that this is his first year so he may not want to leave.

We're going to miss the boat on every single one of these managers because WUMger is here for life.

[Chippy]

We're going to miss the boat on every single one of these managers because WUMger is here for life.

I am going to make a suicide pact with Claude!

[Marc Overmars]

How good is Afobe looking btw? Imagine if he gives us a good kicking on Sunday.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

President Wenger for life

Someone needs to photoshop a picture of Wenger wearing a generals uniform with loads of decorative only medals and a pair of dark glasses

[The Emirates Gallactico]

We're going to miss the boat on every single one of these managers because WUMger is here for life.

And it'd be just like him to retire right when there's no body good available. :rolleyes:


If it wasn't for the scum connection, I'd jump all over Pochettino as well. No homo.

[Niall_Quinn]

How good is Afobe looking btw? Imagine if he gives us a good kicking on Sunday.

Or Akpom. Both these guys lost out when Wenger brought in that prodigy Sanogo.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

How good is Afobe looking btw? Imagine if he gives us a good kicking on Sunday.

To think we let him go so easily whilst persisting with tripe like Sanogo for so long. It's almost criminal.

[Munchies]

Or Akpom. Both these guys lost out when Wenger brought in that prodigy Sanogo.

And he'll be back in the Summer to us

Like a new signing :bow:

Wenger will probably keep Sanogo and tell Akpom to fuck off

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Ted Cruz winning the Iowa caucuses yesterday and being one step closer to being the next president of the US and now Arsenal fucking up tonight - it's been a bad two days for me.


Sigh, I'm off for tonight. Peace out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently that bust up in the tunnel after the game was Wenger having a go at Mason. Then, supposedly, Koeman poked his nose in so Wenger had a go at him too. Good luck to Wenger if that's true because if it had been me I'd still be there tomorrow morning kicking Mason in the bollocks, the cheating cunt.

[Özim]

BBC reporter came out with the "same old Arsenal" quote :lol: Wh1nger didn't like that very much and claimed he didn't know what people were talking about as last year we weren't in the title race. The guy really is in denial, 10 years of the same sh*t and the guy still can't spot the patters, there's no hope for this guy.

[selassie]

next 5 league games:

Bournemouth (a)
Leicester (h)
Man Utd (a)
Swansea (h)
Spurs (a)

Honestly think we'll drop points against Leicester, score draw, we'll lose at United & Spurs. The other two should be wins.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Had a great night with my son, fakeyank and his gorgeous wife, Adzz and Letters. Would have been even better were it not for the Arsenal match in the middle.

[IBK]

Totally agree, bottlejob is turning us into a joke. This was predictable though, the collapse always happens when we're well placed, it will never change.

We need a manager with some balls who gets more out of the players and can motivate them, use tactics, make the necessary signings and not live on past reputation.

Joke of a manager, the fact Spurs are ahead of us after we lead the table and were so well placed tells you everything, 4th place bottlers.

Can't disagree with any of that. This is it for me. Nothing's changed. The manager and the team are simply not good enough for anything but 4th place, no matter what the quality of the league is. I genuinely believe that Sp*rs will finish comprehensively above us this season. Perhaps even win the league. I just don't understand our approach to this game. Delusional. And we got the result we deserved.

[Niall_Quinn]

I genuinely believe that Sp*rs will finish comprehensively above us this season. Perhaps even win the league.

No, they are even bigger bottlers than us. We might have to order up the lasagne again but we'll finish above them.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IswsDoQTbKs

[Xhaka Can’t]

Arsenal on my FB feed. Thrilling :lol:

My son said, "I wish SOMETHING would happen". This was 61 minutes into the match.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmowc0F7Fho

:haha:

[selassie]

No, they are even bigger bottlers than us. We might have to order up the lasagne again but we'll finish above them.

I hope so, they look the real deal to me this season TBH. Think they are capable of going anywhere in PL and giving teams the runaround. I honestly think they will strongly challenge for the title & it truly saddens me TBH.

[IBK]

I hope so, they look the real deal to me this season TBH. Think they are capable of going anywhere in PL and giving teams the runaround. I honestly think they will strongly challenge for the title & truly saddens me TBH.

Aye - it's sad, but they look significantly the stronger out of the 2 of our teams ATM. Arsenal look like the bigger bottlers.

[hobson's choice]

Persist to play the worst CM pairing you've had since you took over this teams, fellas.:upset:

[Ralpheroo72]

My son said, "I wish SOMETHING would happen". This was 61 minutes into the match.

You owe him big time now, making him sit through that shite.

[mastermind84]

next 5 league games:

Bournemouth (a)
Leicester (h)
Man Utd (a)
Swansea (h)
Spurs (a)
The season is right here

Get 15 and we are front runners.

Get something at least 11 points and we are going to challenge for the title.

Anything less and we've blown this league, once again.

[Seaman's Ponytail]

Or Akpom. Both these guys lost out when Wenger brought in that prodigy Sanogo.

Must have been a long night drinking for you boys. Akpom, the hat-trick in the Cup last weekend aside, has been utterly appalling for a Hull side creating chances for fun in the championship this season. Afobe isn't any better. We need to invest in a top quality striker, whenever one may become available.... And a new manager. Simple as that.

[selassie]

The season is right here

Get 15 and we are front runners.

Get something at least 11 points and we are going to challenge for the title.

Anything less and we've blown this league, once again.

We'll be lucky to come out of these games with 7 points, you can quote me on that.

[AFC Leveller]

We should have won, we created 4 or 5 clear cut chances and the finishing let us down. People will say Forster had a good game and he did but most of the shots were straight at him, all he had to do was stand his ground on most of them.

Southampton, esp under Koeman, know how to stop us and have against taken 4 points of us. Going from top with a 4 point lead to 4th is simply unacceptable and if we fail to win it this year or at least finish really close to the champions then Wenger HAS got to go.

[Marc Overmars]

We'll be lucky to come out of these games with 7 points, you can quote me on that.

8 points at most to cement our 4th place cup challenge.

[selassie]

8 points at most to cement our 4th place cup challenge.

Aye, we've put ourselves in a position now where we have to go on a winning run to claw ourselves back into the race. Anymore stumbles and we'll be scrapping out 4th place with United. I'm at a loss to how we've collapsed like this, I really have no words.

[Power n Glory]

Talk of what happened in the tunnel. Wenger shouting after Lee Mason saying 'it's always the same with you.'. Koeman steps in and tells Wenger we had 10 chances to score but you're blaming the ref again.

Until Wenger holds himself accountable, nothing will change. People that don't take responsibility for their own actions piss me off. Endless cycle of the blame game in every situation.

[Munchies]

Talk of what happened in the tunnel. Wenger shouting after Lee Mason saying 'it's always the same with you.'. Koeman steps in and tells Wenger we had 10 chances to score but you're blaming the ref again.

Until Wenger holds himself accountable, nothing will change. People that don't take responsibility for their own actions piss me off. Endless cycle of the blame game in every situation.


The guy needs to piss off

That midfield pairing hasn't worked and he keeps sticking with it because of his own fuck up of not signing anyone in the Summer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There was no need to stick to it last night

Just as an aside in the last 12 league games Bournemouth have picked up more points than us.

[Bumble]

A point nearer league and cup double.

[Gooner23]

Mason didn't miss the chances, or continue with a midfield pairing that clearing doesn't work, or fail to sign an adequate striker for a title challenge.

Sorry Wenger but finger points at you.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

24 games played -

First twelve 8 wins 2 draws 2 defeats Goals scored 22 Goals conceded 9
Recent twelve 5 wins 4 draws 3 defeats Goals scored 15 Goals conceded 13

[Marc Overmars]

24 games played -

First twelve 8 wins 2 draws 2 defeats Goals scored 22 Goals conceded 9
Recent twelve 5 wins 4 draws 3 defeats Goals scored 15 Goals conceded 13

The Collapse.™ :bow:

[adzzzbatch]

The Collapse.™ :bow:

Mk. 324844654654894899

[Power n Glory]

The guy needs to piss off

That midfield pairing hasn't worked and he keeps sticking with it because of his own fuck up of not signing anyone in the Summer.

It’s not even just this season it hasn’t worked so I don’t get why he keeps trying with Ramsey. He has zero central midfield intelligence. I totally selfish player and won’t look to build up play in the middle. He’ll dish it off to someone and then go bolting forward, deserting the midfield and not thinking about the possibility of the ball needing to be played back into the middle before going forward. He doesn’t provide and outlet for his team mates. He has tunnel vision and totally focussed on getting himself into position after passing. I don’t get why Wenger doesn’t see this or notice the difference to our play when you replace Ramsey with Rosicky or Cazorla. Besides his one fluke season, he’s been shit since 2011/12. Rosicky and Cazorla love to get touches on the ball, they’re always looking to get a touch, to play from deep and work the ball with multiple passes, quick one twos…..we really need to find a CM that can replace Cazorla and Rosicky. It’s a crucial position.

[selassie]

There was no need to stick to it last night

Just as an aside in the last 12 league games Bournemouth have picked up more points than us.

My thoughts exactly, what is even more baffling is that Wenger acknowledged last night that Elneny isn't ready for PL football yet, why buy him?

Seriously I don't understand the thought process behind buying a Midfielder who can't help us out now in the middle of a title challenge. What makes it worse is we're decimated with injuries in that area and half of the players we have aren't even good enough to play their.

It beggars belief, it's like Wenger is always planning future with no regard for the present.

[Letters]

My son said, "I wish SOMETHING would happen". This was 61 minutes into the match.

I saw the last half hour (thanks, SportsDevil :d)
We did what we do far too often. Basically played fine, dominated, created a reasonable amount of not very good chances, looked like we could play till midnight and not score.

:ilt:

You knew FY was going to the game...

[Niall_Quinn]

Must have been a long night drinking for you boys. Akpom, the hat-trick in the Cup last weekend aside, has been utterly appalling for a Hull side creating chances for fun in the championship this season. Afobe isn't any better. We need to invest in a top quality striker, whenever one may become available.... And a new manager. Simple as that.

And Sanogo is twice as bad as either on their worst days. Of course we need to invest in a top striker. Everyone bar Wenger has known that since RvC walked out. We needed to replace Vieira too, but never happened. Needed a keeper. Years after Lehman left we have finally got Cech after a stream of clowns. At this rate we'll have a decent midfielder within the next 5 years and a decent striker within 10. So we're well on the way to doing some of the glaringly obvious things that have needed to be done for a decade.

Wenger's not going anywhere. He's the vital cog in this money machine.

[Marc Overmars]

Mk. 324844654654894899

No one does half season title challenges better tbf.

[Power n Glory]

My thoughts exactly, what is even more baffling is that Wenger acknowledged last night that Elneny isn't ready for PL football yet, why buy him?

Seriously I don't understand the thought process behind buying a Midfielder who can't help us out now in the middle of a title challenge. What makes it worse is we're decimated with injuries in that area and half of the players we have aren't even good enough to play their.

It beggars belief, it's like Wenger is always planning future with no regard for the present.

It's unbelievable. He'll say he only wants super quality players when making excuses for our inactivity in the window but come out and say the one player we've signed isn't ready for the Premier League. WTF?

[Özim]

My thoughts exactly, what is even more baffling is that Wenger acknowledged last night that Elneny isn't ready for PL football yet, why buy him?

Seriously I don't understand the thought process behind buying a Midfielder who can't help us out now in the middle of a title challenge. What makes it worse is we're decimated with injuries in that area and half of the players we have aren't even good enough to play their.

It beggars belief, it's like Wenger is always planning future with no regard for the present.

He's another pet project isn't he, like 95% of Wenger's signings. You can't manage a team like it's your play thing like he does, we needed signings ready to hit the ground running not some player noone knows who isn't ready to play, the fact he signed him is a joke frankly but what can you say he'll never learn.

[Niall_Quinn]

I feel sorry for the player. Imagine pitching up at your new club, being thrust into a chaotic non-team for a cup tie and then being told you're not ready to play in the league you just joined? Only Wenger.

[selassie]

It's unbelievable. He'll say he only wants super quality players when making excuses for our inactivity in the window but come out and say the one player we've signed isn't ready for the Premier League. WTF?

:lol: I know P'n'G, yet some on here still think he's doing the best he can with the resources he has available.

Wenger handicaps us, there is no doubt about that IMO.

[selassie]

He's another pet project isn't he, like 95% of Wenger's signings. You can't manage a team like it's your play thing like he does, we needed signings ready to hit the ground running not some player noone knows who isn't ready to play, the fact he signed him is a joke frankly but what can you say he'll never learn.

Aye Zim, He'll never change, he's too wedded in his way of doing things. This summer will not be any different either, Wenger will always leave us short...it's how he operates.

[Niall_Quinn]

Aye Zim, He'll never change, he's too wedded in his way of doing things. This summer will not be any different either, Wenger will always leave us short...it's how he operates.

Yes, but it's becoming interesting as to WHY he operates this way. I had assumed a severe mental impediment. But maybe not, maybe it is something more sinister and corrupt.

[Power n Glory]

:lol: I know P'n'G, yet some on here still think he's doing the best he can with the resources he has available.

Wenger handicaps us, there is no doubt about that IMO.

He makes excuse after excuse and I wish a proper journalist could tackle him on the contradictions and inconsistencies. It's ridiculous. I said years ago that even with the money he'd be a shambles. He's totally proving it. That's our third January transfer window since we've been minted and he's rolling out the same sort of excuses we saw when people were saying we were poor.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's no conspiracy

End of the day it doesn't matter if we have a great squad or a terrible squad we will finish in the top four and no higher

Why? Because that's all the manager is under pressure to acheive

It's no surprise that when top 4 is under serious threat we go on these amazing runs of form and actually sometimes think why are we not playing like this when we are challenging for the title, because as far as Wengers employers are concerned we don't need to win the title.

But if by some massive collapse we needed to win at city to make 4th, I could bet you anything we'd manage it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Don't get me wrong no one is telling him not to win the title but as Long as top four is secure he is free to go about things in his own sweet way and make the same tactical mistakes he always does

If it's under threat the screws get put in and we have to approach games in a more measured way

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFzmDIHnkI

Not a single mention of the manager. Get behind your team. Ignore that elephant in the dugout. Pretend it's not there.

Another thing I don't get. Shouldn't it be Leicester thinking this is their big chance at a title and maybe they won't be able to compete next year? We're a big club aren't we? Supposedly? Is that how we do things? Chase titles in the seasons when our main opponents are gone and assume we have no chance if they come back the following season? It's odd. No mention of our manager but a mention of the gypos new guy and this assumption that a manager can make a difference. Well maybe it's true. What if, let's just speculate, what if a manager really could make a difference? Let's take Arsenal as an example. What difference does Wenger make to our fortunes (non-financial)? Let's not go there maybe. Let's get behind the team and hope this time, when all the indicators scream the opposite, it will be different. And next season we can do the same thing all over again.

[Power n Glory]

Over 30 minutes played and Walcott completed 2/3 passes! WTF is that about? I can’t defend that shit. Time for him to fuck off. That’s a disgrace for a professional footballer.

[Niall_Quinn]

Over 30 minutes played and Walcott completed 2/3 passes! WTF is that about? I can’t defend that shit. Time for him to fuck off. That’s a disgrace for a professional footballer.

He plays when there's more money on the table. He's on holiday the rest of the time. If he was German the media would say he's stealing a living.

[selassie]

Yes, but it's becoming interesting as to WHY he operates this way. I had assumed a severe mental impediment. But maybe not, maybe it is something more sinister and corrupt.

He basically does the bare minimum to achieve his required targets, pretty much what Herb is saying.

I'm at a point now where I've become numb to it all, this season is no different to any season IMO.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep, good point. Time to forget about this shit and get on with work so I can afford to become a golfist.

[Power n Glory]

He basically does the bare minimum to achieve his required targets, pretty much what Herb is saying.

I'm at a point now where I've become numb to it all, this season is no different to any season IMO.

I was numb but I'm pretty pissed off after that result. It's just not good enough. How the hell are Leicester City and Spurs above us in the league this year! How? All excuses about financial doping go right out of the window if it stays like this. We have to bounce back.

[dostoy]

Its amazing that this happens every season at Arsenal but with different players.

There is one common denominator which is Wenger, he has to go.

He will not go of course, but if he did, who to replace him ?

I don't know, all the top managers seem to have jobs now or will have jobs in the summer.

[Letters]

Don't get me wrong no one is telling him not to win the title but as Long as top four is secure he is free to go about things in his own sweet way and make the same tactical mistakes he always does

If it's under threat the screws get put in and we have to approach games in a more measured way

I don't really buy that either Wenger or the players have a mentality that says that once top 4 is secured they all collectively stop bothering. Or if we get off to a bad start and top 4 is looking in doubt they suddenly start trying.

[Letters]

He will not go of course, but if he did, who to replace him ?
That has always been the key question.
Some of the suggestions on here have been laughable.

[selassie]

I was numb but I'm pretty pissed off after that result. It's just not good enough. How the hell are Leicester City and Spurs above us in the league this year! How? All excuses about financial doping go right out of the window if it stays like this. We have to bounce back.

Me too P'n'G, I feel ya pain. I said it in anger yesterday but I stand by it, if we finish below Leicester and Spuds this season then Wenger should walk out of principle. It's on him this season, no two ways about it.

[LDG]

That has always been the key question.
Some of the suggestions on here have been laughable.

I don't see the harm in suggesting that the board should have been, and currently should be on the look out for his successor. Why should we have to make suggestions?

Wenger should be hoicked, and they should have a replacement in mind. Enough is enough.

Just because we don't have a family name / cheque book manager available in our fantasy football manager roles, doesn't mean that the board shouldn't be fully appraised of the best new targets out there.

But the club and it's board are lazily coasting, so we can't expect that at all.

All I know, is that we won't win the league this year, and the manager is past his sell by date, and has been for some time.

[Letters]

I don't see the harm in suggesting that the board should have been, and currently should be on the look out for his successor. Why should we have to make suggestions?
We don't have to make suggestions, I agree the onus is on the board, not us.
But some on here have made suggestions and some of the names have been laughable, many have crashed and burned at other clubs having been hailed as the new messiah by some on here.

It's increasingly clear that Wenger's time with us is near the end, or should be. But that doesn't mean we should hire Tony Pulis.

[GP]

This has to be his last season. It just has to be. Regardless of the outcome of the title.

[selassie]

This has to be his last season. It just has to be. Regardless of the outcome of the title.

It won't be, as far as the board are concerned he's doing a great job.

Wenger will choose his successor when he's ready.

[IBK]

That has always been the key question.
Some of the suggestions on here have been laughable.



But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table



Volvo’s attempt at taking on the German brands has genuine merit, and despite its age the S80 still offers good interior quality and decent equipment. At £30,720 it is competitively priced, too.


What lets the Swedish saloon down, however, is its ride, which feels unsettled on most road surfaces and never provides the kind of comfort you’d expect from a car in this class.


Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag - or at least aspire to this - we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.

[Marc Overmars]

He'll sign a new deal and stay on forever and ever. All the promising managers will take over our rivals and we'll be left with a blinkered WUMger finding solace in St Totteringhams Day, 4th place cup, calendar year trophies and qualifying from the CL group stage for the 87th year in a row.

[Power n Glory]

This has to be his last season. It just has to be. Regardless of the outcome of the title.

We're on the same page for once.

[selassie]

But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table





Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag, we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.

:gp:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't really buy that either Wenger or the players have a mentality that says that once top 4 is secured they all collectively stop bothering. Or if we get off to a bad start and top 4 is looking in doubt they suddenly start trying.

It's not about not trying, it's about Wenger being given a longer leash when top four is safe and he's allowed to stick to his rigid ideas which aren't working. But when 4th is in doubt you find he is more likely to spend in January, and the team goes on long runs of good form to the end of the season or to when top four is not in doubt.

[Power n Glory]

But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table





Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag, we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.

I find it hard to believe he’s making the same mistakes but he really is. Same sound bites, same promises, same excuses…totally different teams but they’ve all started to fumble at the tail end of the season. It’s unbelievable and I really want to see someone take him to task on this. Really press him about the same decisions and mistakes along with the stupid excuses he gives year after year.

[Özim]

Let's be honest, he's going to be here for years isn't he....the board love him, the amount of money he makes them will have that affect.

Sadly it's not going to change, this club has shown many times before that what the fans think doesn't really matter, what matters is the bank balance.

Every wins except those that pay.

[IBK]

I find it hard to believe he’s making the same mistakes but he really is. Same sound bites, same promises, same excuses…totally different teams but they’ve all started to fumble at the tail end of the season. It’s unbelievable and I really want to see someone take him to task on this. Really press him about the same decisions and mistakes along with the stupid excuses he gives year after year.

And that there is the tragedy of what our club has become. because he won't. Noone at the club is able to, or interested in taking Wenger to task, and given what we have seen from Gazidis' other sports ventures, I am really not convinced that even a year failing to qualify for the CL will see the end of our manager. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the cash reserves that we have are earmarked as a safety fund to ensure the minimum of commercial disruption in these circumstances - and Wenger's track record in achieving what the shareholders want financially will see him survive even a non top 4 finish.

This Groundhog Day will end only when Wenger chooses it to end. The incongruity of this situation and a the fact that the aim of professional sports is to win things is absurd.

As I'm about to point out on another thread, Wenger is not just omnipotent at our club, but I honestly believe he is delusional. I think that he genuinely believes in his own soundbites, promises and excuses. This is what happens so often to people in positions of total power - their judgment suffers and this leads to their downfall.

[Power n Glory]

And that there is the tragedy of what our club has become. because he won't. Noone at the club is able to, or interested in taking Wenger to task, and given what we have seen from Gazidis' other sports ventures, I am really not convinced that even a year failing to qualify for the CL will see the end of our manager. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the cash reserves that we have are earmarked as a safety fund to ensure the minimum of commercial disruption in these circumstances - and Wenger's track record in achieving what the shareholders want financially will see him survive even a non top 4 finish.

This Groundhog Day will end only when Wenger chooses it to end. The incongruity of this situation and a the fact that the aim of professional sports is to win things is absurd.

As I'm about to point out on another thread, Wenger is not just omnipotent at our club, but I honestly believe he is delusional. I think that he genuinely believes in his own soundbites, promises and excuses. This is what happens so often to people in positions of total power - their judgment suffers and this leads to their downfall.

He'll fall on his own sword and nothing will change until the fans turn on him and he'll then turn on the fans and create a hostile environment. That's how I see his reign ending if he doesn't retire soon. It's going to be an ugly divisive end. For the sake of the club he should just walk. It's bad enough having Arsenal Fan TV going out everywhere and seeing that sideshow, Ty and Claude going at it each week.

[Letters]

He'll fall on his own sword and nothing will change until the fans turn on him and he'll then turn on the fans and create a hostile environment. That's how I see his reign ending if he doesn't retire soon. It's going to be an ugly divisive end. For the sake of the club he should just walk. It's bad enough having Arsenal Fan TV going out everywhere and seeing that sideshow, Ty and Claude going at it each week.

It would be a shame if it ends bitterly. Hopefully when the dust has settled his legacy will be appreciated. I think Clough's is and he took them down in the end. All Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th.
Hopefully the two FA Cups will help. He does need to move on but he'll leave us in good shape for whoever takes over.

[AFC Leveller]

Koeman says:

'Not in one and a half years managing Southampton has a team created what Arsenal created in opportunities today,' he said.
'You need to be lucky, first, and you need to have a goalkeeper who is saving everything.
'Arsenal are so good defensively with a lot of creativity and that's difficult then, of course, you need a keeper that's magic and he is magic tonight.
'He is with the national team and he is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League and maybe in Europe.'

[Globalgunner]

Saying that other names being bandied about are laughable is simply ignoring the fact that we are stagnating under this manager. If someone had suggested Ranieri last season. Letters would be saying, Who! That washed up old fool. If we had said Pochettino. He hasnt won anything.

We are slowly dying as a club under this self absorbed git. There are 19 other managers in the EPL. I would take at least 10 of them in a hearbeat.

[IBK]

Koeman says:

'Not in one and a half years managing Southampton has a team created what Arsenal created in opportunities today,' he said.
'You need to be lucky, first, and you need to have a goalkeeper who is saving everything.
'Arsenal are so good defensively with a lot of creativity and that's difficult then, of course, you need a keeper that's magic and he is magic tonight.
'He is with the national team and he is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League and maybe in Europe.'

TBH this exposes our lack of cutting edge/finishing all the more. The reality is that for a 'top team' we are woefully bereft of finishers at our club. You win games by scoring goals, and for the chances we create, we simply do not have the efficiency that is needed to win the league.

[Niall_Quinn]

We don't need to bring in a manager that's going to stay for the next two centuries like Wenger. Bringing in somebody to steady the ship and repair the crackpot's vandalism would be a great step forward. It would also give us time to look for a longer term replacement. This, "who is there", deterrent is no deterrent at all. Who cares provided it's not Wenger? Anyone who has managed for at least a couple of years in a top league would be an instant upgrade. They wouldn't even need to build a team because we already have almost everything we need. Pick a team, some rudimentary tactics, sane substitutions, swot up on the opposition between games, that sort of very basic stuff that would catapult us miles ahead of where we are now. Leave the finances alone and let the well paid suits at the top work for a living, for a change. You never know, they might like it.

All fantasy. He's here forever.

[Bumble]

14 games to go so still not out of the it. are remaining away games are
Bournemouth, United, Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Sunderland and City win 2 and draw 2 and win all home games gets us to 74 points. Will that be enough?

[Niall_Quinn]

14 games to go so still not out of the it.

FFS, he's doing his best but you can't expect him to be mathematically out of it with 14 games still to go.

[Letters]

We are slowly dying as a club under this self absorbed git.
Literally last year we won the FA Cup and finished 3rd. Stop being ridiculous.
I'm pissed off about our recent run of 'form' and have zero faith in this lot right now but let's not overstate how awful things are.

[Niall_Quinn]

We most certainly ARE dying as a club. But on the positive side, we're thriving as a corporation.

[IBK]

We don't need to bring in a manager that's going to stay for the next two centuries like Wenger. Bringing in somebody to steady the ship and repair the crackpot's vandalism would be a great step forward. It would also give us time to look for a longer term replacement. This, "who is there", deterrent is no deterrent at all. Who cares provided it's not Wenger? Anyone who has managed for at least a couple of years in a top league would be an instant upgrade. They wouldn't even need to build a team because we already have almost everything we need. Pick a team, some rudimentary tactics, sane substitutions, swot up on the opposition between games, that sort of very basic stuff that would catapult us miles ahead of where we are now. Leave the finances alone and let the well paid suits at the top work for a living, for a change. You never know, they might like it.

All fantasy. He's here forever.

I get the sentiment - but I'm not sure its that simple. LVG; Klopp; Koeman would fit your requirements, but have endured a somewhat rocky road this season. I agree that our talent has not been maximised, and that a more tactical man manager should be able to elevate our team, but it would need to be an extremely careful analysis of a manager who fits the playing style that is now deeply embedded in our team, and one who is not a cheque book warrior, given the financial approach of our owners and the need to preserve stability.

[Niall_Quinn]

'We'll see at the end of the season. It's too early to say that,' he said when asked if he was worried that Arsenal were starting to tail off.


'It's true that we've had a stuttering start in 2016. Our January was bad, starting from the last minute at Liverpool, and then at Stoke. Where we especially have a big deficit is in our two home games.


'We have to catch that back and we have a difficult programme, especially away from home. We need to respond quickly away from home now.'

Having added only midfielder Mohamed Elneny to his ranks in the January transfer window, Wenger was again forced to defend his decision not to bring in any firepower.


'If you knew a world-class striker who could have strengthened our team, you should have told me before the transfer deadline was over,' he replied when asked if he should have signed a forward.


'They do not walk in the street and say "please, here is a world-class striker, can you take me?" They are all at big clubs and are under contract.


'There were none available. If tonight we think a miracle man could have scored the goal for us, I think it's better we think how can we score the goals with the players we have. We can score goals, we have shown that before.'



He's right you know. That's how the transfer market works. You walk around a bit and if a world class striker stops you in the street then you sign him. But if that doesn't happen then what else can you possibly do?

[Letters]

We most certainly ARE dying as a club. But on the positive side, we're thriving as a corporation.

:(

Ok, that's a fair point. But that would be true however we're doing on the pitch. That's modern football for you, unfortunately.

[Power n Glory]

It would be a shame if it ends bitterly. Hopefully when the dust has settled his legacy will be appreciated. I think Clough's is and he took them down in the end. All Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th.
Hopefully the two FA Cups will help. He does need to move on but he'll leave us in good shape for whoever takes over.

It's not the league position that will turn fans against him. It's the arrogance. The stubborn refusal to adapt and then the excuses and the way he defends his mistakes. That's probably what pisses people off the most. If he'd he'd have spent the money on top players, selected the right and obvious starting line up, a good chunk of the criticism would fall on the under performing players.

[Niall_Quinn]

I get the sentiment - but I'm not sure its that simple. LVG; Klopp; Koeman would fit your requirements, but have endured a somewhat rocky road this season. I agree that our talent has not been maximised, and that a more tactical man manager should be able to elevate our team, but it would need to be an extremely careful analysis of a manager who fits the playing style that is now deeply embedded in our team, and one who is not a cheque book warrior, given the financial approach of our owners and the need to preserve stability.

LvG is another Wengeresque dinosaur, so fair enough exclude him. Klopp is working with the dross from the Rodgers era, it would be great to see what he could do here with the talent we have. Koeman has already shown he's a significant upgrade.

[Letters]

Agree about Koeman.

[Letters]

It's not the league position that will turn fans against him. It's the arrogance. The stubborn refusal to adapt and then the excuses and the way he defends his mistakes. That's probably what pisses people off the most. If he'd he'd have spent the money on top players, selected the right and obvious starting line up, a good chunk of the criticism would fall on the under performing players.

Aren't a lot of top managers like that though? See Mourinho for further details (not that I'd want him anywhere near the club).
Most top managers have plenty of arrogance.

[IBK]

at the end of the season. It's too early to say that,' he said when asked if he was worried that Arsenal were starting to tail off.


'It's true that we've had a stuttering start in 2016. Our January was bad, starting from the last minute at Liverpool, and then at Stoke. Where we especially have a big deficit is in our two home games.


'We have to catch that back and we have a difficult programme, especially away from home. We need to respond quickly away from home now.'

Having added only midfielder Mohamed Elneny to his ranks in the January transfer window, Wenger was again forced to defend his decision not to bring in any firepower.


'If you knew a world-class striker who could have strengthened our team, you should have told me before the transfer deadline was over,' he replied when asked if he should have signed a forward.


'They do not walk in the street and say "please, here is a world-class striker, can you take me?" They are all at big clubs and are under contract.


'There were none available. If tonight we think a miracle man could have scored the goal for us, I think it's better we think how can we score the goals with the players we have. We can score goals, we have shown that before.'


He's right you know. That's how the transfer market works. You walk around a bit and if a world class striker stops you in the street then you sign him. But if that doesn't happen then what else can you possibly do?

That's the problem right there for me. I think there is an element of Wenger waiting for a 'world class player' to walk in off the street - at the right price. I think this is his obsession. He knows who he admires, and if like Ozil or Alexis, they happen to be available, he will buy. But to suggest that only a 'world class' striker could assist his team is ridiculous. The majority of his first team do not fit the 'world class' description. Neither do most of the strikers he has relied on over the past 10 years. I'm not a scouting expert, and don't take a great deal of interest in identifying players who could come in to our squad. But with Arsenal's supposed first rate scouting network I do not buy the idea that there was noone who could come in, or that players could not be tempted to leave elsewhere with the right financial incentive. Even the likes of Charlie Austin could have provided finishing potential during the January transfer window. We create shit loads of chances - a proven finisher - even if deficient in other areas would and could make a difference to our team.

Wenger's inflexible insistence on perfection and good value; and his pathological risk-taking in always assuming that his own squad players will return to fitness to fill the gap has hurt us, and will cost us dearly.

[IBK]

LvG is another Wengeresque dinosaur, so fair enough exclude him. Klopp is working with the dross from the Rodgers era, it would be great to see what he could do here with the talent we have. Koeman has already shown he's a significant upgrade.

That's just it, I'm not saying that any of the three would be the answer to our issues (although agreed Koeman might come closest). I'm saying that they are all examples of managers who have had success elsewhere - but have not been an instant upgrade for the teams that have signed them. I think we could find an upgrade on Wenger, but the 'anyone' idea doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[Letters]

That's just it, I'm not saying that any of the three would be the answer to our issues (although agreed Koeman might come closest). I'm saying that they are all examples of managers who have had success elsewhere - but have not been an instant upgrade for the teams that have signed them. I think we could find an upgrade on Wenger, but the 'anyone' idea doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Which was pretty much my initial point.
That doesn't mean we should keep Wenger. But there's no point in replacing him with someone worse and it's clearly balls to say that anyone would be better.

[Power n Glory]

Aren't a lot of top managers like that though? See Mourinho for further details (not that I'd want him anywhere near the club).
Most top managers have plenty of arrogance.

No, the difference is most Chelsea fans were sad to see Mourinho go and were pissed at the players for getting him the sack. It was a short sharp decline. That's not the case for us. We're having to watch the same faults unravel over 10 years and it's almost impossible to defend Wenger now. The last battle amongst fans will be how respectful/disrespectful we are towards him in these last few years or whoever long he has left with us.

[Kano]

Which was pretty much my initial point.
That doesn't mean we should keep Wenger. But there's no point in replacing him with someone worse and it's clearly balls to say that anyone would be better.

We have to remember that we didn't have a clue who Wenger was when he first came here, so reputation won't guarantees success either. There is also the likelihood that we could go through a Utd style dip after a manager leaves after being in place for so long.

The other issue to face is that Wenger is likelly to stay on at the club in one capacity or the other, so his influence will still be felt around the club for some time after I think.

[IBK]

Which was pretty much my initial point.
That doesn't mean we should keep Wenger. But there's no point in replacing him with someone worse and it's clearly balls to say that anyone would be better.

Our difference, I think is that many, even most Gooners are now willing to take a leap of faith with a manager who has progressive credentials and a track record of improving teams - if not necessarily having top honours. One thing at Arsenal, is that we don't necessarily need a manager with a big rep in order to manage 'superstars'. Our players are about as compliant as they come.

[Power n Glory]

Which was pretty much my initial point.
That doesn't mean we should keep Wenger. But there's no point in replacing him with someone worse and it's clearly balls to say that anyone would be better.

I'd take comfort in the fact that someone that completely does a botch job as manager will get the sack and the Board will have to think strategically about who comes in next. With Wenger there is too much comfort. Never good enough to win the major trophies but not bad enough to get the sack.

[selassie]

I'd take comfort in the fact that someone that completely does a botch job as manager will get the sack and the Board will have to think strategically about who comes in next. With Wenger there is too much comfort. Never good enough to win the major trophies but not bad enough to get the sack.

That's how I feel now too....a change is needed and will be welcome in my book, even if the new guy spends billions (unlikely) but fails...it would be a welcomed change.

Arsenal under Wenger is scripted, it's mentally tiring.

[Marc Overmars]

A few guys have come into this league in recent years and made immediate impacts. Why shouldn't we find ourselves a Pochettino, Koeman, Bilic etc? None of these guys have a particularly glowing list of honours but they encompass modern coaching and have expansive philosophies. They also had respected playing careers which helps a lot.

I'd love it if Wenger's successor was someone like that.

[Letters]

We have to remember that we didn't have a clue who Wenger was when he first came here, so reputation won't guarantees success either.
That's a fair point :good:

[Power n Glory]

I just want to see a successor with new ideas. Seeing Ramsey, Flamini and Giroud in the line up….the outcome of that game was predictable.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

And that there is the tragedy of what our club has become. because he won't. Noone at the club is able to, or interested in taking Wenger to task, and given what we have seen from Gazidis' other sports ventures, I am really not convinced that even a year failing to qualify for the CL will see the end of our manager. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the cash reserves that we have are earmarked as a safety fund to ensure the minimum of commercial disruption in these circumstances - and Wenger's track record in achieving what the shareholders want financially will see him survive even a non top 4 finish.


Don't you mean Kroenke's other sports ventures? But yeah, you'd be right. Kroenke gives zero fucks about the on-field success of any of his sporting ventures as long as the money keeps flowing in and the value of his shares continue rising. The Denver Nuggets and the St Louis (soon to be LA) rams have been terrible for ages. He'd probably call you a madman if you even suggested that he get rid of Wenger. It's just our luck to end up with this parasite owning our club ....... sigh, what were you doing Dein when you first introduced him here?

I peg Gazidis as a lot more reasonable and in-tune with the fan sentiment however to make a decision as large as to sack Wenger you need Stan's blessing which he'll never give. It'll up to Wenger himself to leave and from the murmurings there have been recently, he's actually eager to sign a new contract. He's divorced his long term wife and his daughter is all grown up now, so the job is probably all that he has now.

Anyway the only tiny bit of positivity last night was that Wenger did seem genuinely livid at things, albeit he directed it at the ref (who tbf was objectively terrible) and Koeman instead of his players.

On a separate note, what's it with bald refs and being absolutely shit/corrupt? Dean, Mason, Taylor etc etc



TBH this exposes our lack of cutting edge/finishing all the more. The reality is that for a 'top team' we are woefully bereft of finishers at our club.You win games by scoring goals, and for the chances we create, we simply do not have the efficiency that is needed to win the league.

The thing is that if was a one of game then you could excuse it - even during the invincible era we had games where we totally dominated, had dozens of shots on target only to see the opposing keeper pull of a worldie and to earn them a draw. But it isn't. We've been so inefficient when it comes to creating and scoring chances for a very long time now.

It's symptomatic of a deep rooted problem with Wenger's current style of play and team building.

[AFC Leveller]

Simeone would be great for us. Young, hungry for success, has won stuff as a player and manager and his teams are so hard to beat.

[IBK]

Yeah - Kroenke I meant. :good: I don't have a problem with Gazidis, really. I think he has relatively little ability to do much as regards the direction of the club, stuck between a messianistic manager and a disinterested owner...

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Simeone would be great for us. Young, hungry for success, has won stuff as a player and manager and his teams are so hard to beat.

His gritty style of football isn't really suited for us tbh and the lack of English would worry me. Besides he seems all but certain to be at Chelsea next year.

Not to keep bleating on about him, but out of the current attainable managers Thomas Tuchel is by far the best choice. Young, great football and a very intelligent man. Heck, if he had more experience in the PL, I wouldn't mind giving Eddie Howe a punt as well.


Sigh ........... oh why could you have not just waited for an entire year Klopp, instead of taking the first job offer you had at Liverpool?

[Marc Overmars]

His gritty style of football isn't really suited for us tbh and the lack of English would worry me. Besides he seems all but certain to be at Chelsea next year.



It doesn't have to be suited for us because we need to evolve, not stick to the same old Wenger blueprint and hope someone else can make sense of it. Simeone is a fighter and tactically very sound, he'd bring a lot to the table, things we lack. I'm sure he'd learn English in time, like Pochettino.

Again though, he's another one we're going to inevitably miss the boat on because of WUMger staying on too long.

[Kano]

What also has to be taken into consideration is the possibility that Wenger may be director of football or something similar attached to the club, so I imagine he'll have a say in the signing of the next manager - much like Fergie did when he left after so long.

[mastermind84]

It’s not even just this season it hasn’t worked so I don’t get why he keeps trying with Ramsey. He has zero central midfield intelligence. I totally selfish player and won’t look to build up play in the middle. He’ll dish it off to someone and then go bolting forward, deserting the midfield and not thinking about the possibility of the ball needing to be played back into the middle before going forward. He doesn’t provide and outlet for his team mates. He has tunnel vision and totally focussed on getting himself into position after passing. I don’t get why Wenger doesn’t see this or notice the difference to our play when you replace Ramsey with Rosicky or Cazorla. Besides his one fluke season, he’s been shit since 2011/12. Rosicky and Cazorla love to get touches on the ball, they’re always looking to get a touch, to play from deep and work the ball with multiple passes, quick one twos…..we really need to find a CM that can replace Cazorla and Rosicky. It’s a crucial position.

just not a true statement that you even backed off after we talked about that 2012-13 second half of the season where he was great playing central midfield in a disciplined role while picking his forward spots.

[Niall_Quinn]

I can't think of any way to free the club and divert it back to football. Even if some sort of pressure could be brought to bear and Kroenke could somehow be forced out - AND Jabba could be blocked - you would have to think a new owner would just look at it the same way and take advantage of Wenger's prodigious money making talents. It's impossible. If Wenger moved upstairs, I agree, he'd just be driving from the back seat. The thought of him having any input at all in transfer dealings even after he has left the manager's role (if he ever does) is truly depressing.

[Power n Glory]

just not a true statement that you even backed off after we talked about that 2012-13 second half of the season where he was great playing central midfield in a disciplined role while picking his forward spots.

Defend him all you want and make excuses say he need player A, B or C next to him...whatever advice was given to get him to that level we saw before has gone out the window. He's playing with zero intelligence and he hasn't come close to replicating his best form for us.

[dostoy]

If Simeone goes to Chelsea then what about Pellegrini although he is almost as old as Wenger.

Wenger will be here until he is 70 because everybody in power loves him.

[Kano]

I can't think of any way to free the club and divert it back to football. Even if some sort of pressure could be brought to bear and Kroenke could somehow be forced out - AND Jabba could be blocked - you would have to think a new owner would just look at it the same way and take advantage of Wenger's prodigious money making talents. It's impossible. If Wenger moved upstairs, I agree, he'd just be driving from the back seat. The thought of him having any input at all in transfer dealings even after he has left the manager's role (if he ever does) is truly depressing.

I'm basing the idea of recent quotes I read where he was asked about leaving, whether it would be director of football or something like that. He said he didn't know but he would stay working with the club in some capacity. Hopefully he has some empathy with the next guy and sticks to an ambassador role like Fergie.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm basing the idea of recent quotes I read where he was asked about leaving, whether it would be director of football or something like that. He said he didn't know but he would stay working with the club in some capacity. Hopefully he has some empathy with the next guy and sticks to an ambassador role like Fergie.

Not sure he'd be interested in the director of football role. Dictator of football, that would be the minimum he'd settle for I suspect.

[Özim]

Simeone would get my vote, top manager, his style is fine it's about time we had some fight and determination about us and he'd bring that in abundance.

[Dein-machine]

Wenger knows that Pep was the natural successor. He should have spoken to Pep, done whatever was necessary to allow Pep to take over next year. We'll never no for sure but ive heard that both Pep & Messi would have favoured Arsenal as their 1st choice if they ever came to England. Living in London & working with a philosophy not to dissimilar to how they want the game to be played. If this was true about Pep, Wenger should have made it happen if he truly loves the club. He knows Pep is a winner & is more aware of whats required in the modern game. I don't care if he leaves in 3 years time, longevity is hardly doing us any favours right now. Pochetino & Ranieri have only been in their jobs 2 mins compared to Wenger & look at the difference they have made.

[Özim]

Not sure he'd be interested in the director of football role. Dictator of football, that would be the minimum he'd settle for I suspect.

:lol:

[Static]

Does anyone know if the crowd ended up boo'ing Wenger after the game?

[Letters]

I was shouting Boo-urns. :shrug:


I imagine there was some booing, probably at all of them - and it should be at all of them. The players can't absolve themselves of responsibility, they were doing it early season.

[Özim]

I was shouting Boo-urns. :shrug:


I imagine there was some booing, probably at all of them - and it should be at all of them. The players can't absolve themselves of responsibility, they were doing it early season.

Other than Walcott there's only one constant in the last decade, so it's only right he should shoulder the bulk of the blame.

[Maestro]

I surely hope the fans on the terraces turn on Wenger, that's about the only language him and Kroenke might ..might just understand for the message to get through

If they actually respected the fans and their opinions , even to a limited extent then maybe the pill would be easier to swallow. The contempt they show fans and constantly take them for mugs is precisely why I don't give a fuck about Wenger, the board or Kroenke. They are all cunts and I truly and happily mean that. Love the club but I hate them.

[Letters]

Other than Walcott there's only one constant in the last decade, so it's only right he should shoulder the bulk of the blame.

Well of course, the buck always stops with the manager. But the same set of players would have won that game a few months ago under the same manager.
They don't get off the hook completely.

[Özim]

Well of course, the buck always stops with the manager. But the same set of players would have won that game a few months ago under the same manager.
They don't get off the hook completely.

It's lack of preparation and inability to deal with pressure, but to some extent that's down to the manager not incorporating leaders into the team, when we had players who stood up to be counted we always got over the line.

[Chippy]

It's not the league position that will turn fans against him. It's the arrogance. The stubborn refusal to adapt and then the excuses and the way he defends his mistakes. That's probably what pisses people off the most. If he'd he'd have spent the money on top players, selected the right and obvious starting line up, a good chunk of the criticism would fall on the under performing players.

The fans would hang him from the nearest tree if the unthinkable happened and the Scum won the league! Mind you, there are some on here that would forgive the idiot.

[Chippy]

I surely hope the fans on the terraces turn on Wenger, that's about the only language him and Kroenke might ..might just understand for the message to get through

If they actually respected the fans and their opinions , even to a limited extent then maybe the pill would be easier to swallow. The contempt they show fans and constantly take them for mugs is precisely why I don't give a fuck about Wenger, the board or Kroenke. They are all cunts and I truly and happily mean that. Love the club but I hate them.
Well said Maestro! ��

[Xhaka Can’t]

Does anyone know if the crowd ended up boo'ing Wenger after the game?

Dunno, I was making a beeline for the pub before the final whistle went.

[Letters]

It's lack of preparation and inability to deal with pressure, but to some extent that's down to the manager not incorporating leaders into the team, when we had players who stood up to be counted we always got over the line.

I think the pressure thing is over-stated.
You pick and choose what you see as a pressure situation depending on results but we've been in plenty of pressure situations over the last couple of years. Obviously the Cup finals and semi-finals. The quarter final at Old Trafford - you said before that Utd weren't a great team last year and I agree not great but they only lost 3 times at home last year and none of the other big teams won there last season especially given our record there, that was clearly a pressure game. This year the City game was clearly a pressure situation, many have declared them champions elect and had they beaten us they'd have leap-frogged us.

I'm cherry-picking a bit but it's just not true to say we've crumbled every time we've had a pressure game, we've come through plenty unscathed. I do agree about a leader on the pitch though, we've not had a decent captain since Vieira and there are times when we've needed someone out there to get us going.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not the pressure. It's the cowardice of the manager and his negative shitty tactics. If we're going to play the same way against every opponent then at least let it be like this, win, lose or draw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A_r-3PlyqY

Instead - when we had the feel good factor and a bit of momentum building he got terrified because we had injuries and he forced the team into a shell. Ever since, we have been SHITE. And he persists with it even though bad result is following on from bad result.

The Liverpool game. Some fans actually thought that was a good result. LOSING TWO POINTS in the last minute because we'd gone totally defensive. That was the start of the end. All as a result of cowardice and fear.

Stoke, disaster of a result. Again, some - including the manager, said it was decent to be dropping another two points against that shite.

Another slow start against the chavs instead of hitting their creaky old defence with pace.

The debacles against Southampton. What a fucking disgrace that 4-0 was, the warning signs were all there but the manager ignored them.

Norwich, West Brom, we've been playing awful, negative, fearful shite for weeks.

Manager's fault. All of it. If you are preaching cowardice and negativity then that's what will materialise on the pitch. The players are a reflection of their trembling manager. He;s the one who has no bottle, he's the one who can't handle the pressure. The attitude of the team starts with him. Same Theo Walcott against Man Utd as the guy who attempted 3 passes against Southampton. 3 passes! What's the manager going to do about that. I'll tell you. Fuck all.

Wenger has tried to creep his way to a title, eking out averages here and there, going for percentages, fighting mediocrity with mediocrity, covering his balls and praying nobody hurts him. You don't win titles like that. You don't compete like that.

He has 14 games to find his bollocks and sort his shit out. We have a good enough team to win all 14. But unless some miracle occurs and the old quivering fool somehow sees the light we just don't have the leader to take us there.

Wenger's fault. All him. Has been for ages. The one constant.

[GP]

Wenger's fault. All him. Has been for ages. The one constant.

Not true. You've also been here.

[Kano]

Not true. You've also been here.

Not true either. He used to support Liverpool.

[mastermind84]

Defend him all you want and make excuses say he need player A, B or C next to him...whatever advice was given to get him to that level we saw before has gone out the window. He's playing with zero intelligence and he hasn't come close to replicating his best form for us.
It's not defending Ramsey, it's about facts.

He showed he could do it that second half and played really well. We all thought that. To pretend the goal scoring run is the only time he has ever done well here is frankly wrong. Especially when you admitted he did play well during that period just a week ago, lol.

I mentioned the 5-1 match against West Ham when he was the holding midfielder with Arteta out and he had he even less disciplined Wilshere in front of him. You remembered that match and fell off another fact-less point you made.

He did play like shit on Tuesday and I never said otherwise. Also if Wenger is not gonna buy a midfielder to compliment him then he should be sold.

[Power n Glory]

It's not defending Ramsey, it's about facts.

He showed he could do it that second half and played really well. We all thought that. To pretend the goal scoring run is the only time he has ever done well here is frankly wrong. Especially when you admitted he did play well during that period just a week ago, lol.

I mentioned the 5-1 match against West Ham when he was the holding midfielder with Arteta out and he had he even less disciplined Wilshere in front of him. You remembered that match and fell off another fact-less point you made.

He did play like shit on Tuesday and I never said otherwise. Also if Wenger is not gonna buy a midfielder to compliment him then he should be sold.

That game he was stepping in for Arteta to play as DM. :doh: Facts, eh? So how does one good game in a different position relate to my argument about him not understanding how to play the CM role?

[mastermind84]

That game he was stepping in for Arteta to play as DM. :doh: Facts, eh? So how does one good game in a different position relate to my argument about him not understanding how to play the CM role?

Because he clearly does.
Once again you agreed with me when I said this. And it wasn't game but the second part of the season he was disciplined and showed he could play it. He got goal hungry and lost it but it's in his locker.

[Power n Glory]

Because he clearly does.
Once again you agreed with me when I said this. And it wasn't game but the second part of the season he was disciplined and showed he could play it. He got goal hungry and lost it but it's in his locker.

It doesn't relate because he was playing in a completely different position and it's why he was more disciplined and simplified his game. That demonstrates he has the ability to pass and keep it simple at DM but that doesn't mean he knows how to play as CM. Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again. It adds further evidence to the original debate where you've wrongly assumed Ramsey needs Arteta to play next to him to flourish. He doesn't. He just needs a brain and maybe some guidance from Wenger again to build from the back and pick his runs more strategically. He's not demonstrating that at the moments and besides that one moment where he was on form, he hasn't shown it before or since. I'll avoid using the word season since you want to play semantics. ;) But as I said in the original debate, something started to click with Ramsey early and we can probably pin point it to him playing as DM.

This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2269607/Aaron-Ramsey-enjoying-defensive-midfield-role-Arsenal.html

Even after a stint at DM he mentions wanting to get forward and getting into the box. That's probably his problem and where I see him going wrong at CM.

http://arseblog.com/2016/02/tactics-column-arsenal-miss-chances-and-fail-to-build-effectively/

It's also worth reading this from Arseblog. With the middle being so packed and us depending so much on Bellerin moving the ball forward, I have no idea why he didn't have the sense to drop back and provide more support. It's a complaint I've had with the Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta axis of ages. Only when Rosicky or Cazorla come into the fold are we able to play through the middle more comfortably and I don't think Wenger gives instructions on where a player should be when playing CM as Arseblog assumes. A more attack minded player like Cazorla has enough sense to sit deep and build slowly from the back. I don't know why he'd give Ramsey different instructions.

[Niall_Quinn]

People are talking as if there's any positional discipline in our team at all. As far as I can see, Coquelin is the only player than bothers with the concept and that's probably only because Wenger doesn't trust him and so doesn't give him that freedom (a euphemism for the absence of discipline) he allows others.

CM, DM, on the left, on the right, what difference does it make in a Wenger team? Our players are all over the place and if the manager cared about that he'd do something about it. On the contrary, it must be him who permits the chaos. It descends into pure farce on occasion. Against Southampton there was the Kos miss. Shame he missed, but what the hell was he even doing there? Campbell has taken to wandering too of late and it has already started to hurt his game. Does this mean Wenger has warmed to him?

[Power n Glory]

People are talking as if there's any positional discipline in our team at all. As far as I can see, Coquelin is the only player than bothers with the concept and that's probably only because Wenger doesn't trust him and so doesn't give him that freedom (a euphemism for the absence of discipline) he allows others.

CM, DM, on the left, on the right, what difference does it make in a Wenger team? Our players are all over the place and if the manager cared about that he'd do something about it. On the contrary, it must be him who permits the chaos. It descends into pure farce on occasion. Against Southampton there was the Kos miss. Shame he missed, but what the hell was he even doing there? Campbell has taken to wandering too of late and it has already started to hurt his game. Does this mean Wenger has warmed to him?

Wenger giving players freedom and a player having positional awareness and discipline is a separate subject. Cazorla and Rosicky are prime examples. They never played as CM before and only due to injuries have they gotten a chance their but they understood what the team needed and we're they fit in. I accept that we haven't got a coach that's big on dishing out instructions but I don't get how some players can be so brainless when it comes to discipline. This is what I'd call a footballing brain issue. How can you see how we're struggling to move the ball forward, being forced wide with our wingers and wingbacks being forced down narrow channels and not offer support? Not offer a passing outlet instead of just rushing forward into the box? It's the same problem I have with Walcott just focusing on making runs when playing as a right winger on Tuesday. Can't they see the ball needs to be worked and we're struggling from deep areas? That's the difference difference between awareness and execution.

Take Arteta as an example. Was bought as a CM but saw we lacked discipline with no true DM and he made himself available for that role. That's the job he felt needed doing for the team and Wenger went with it. He doesn't go looking for glory, he understand what's need and just sits. Plays the anchor role and provides defensive cover. He has the awareness, discipline and intelligence for the role. I'm sure if he felt like going for glory and roaming further forward Wenger would let him but he doesn't do that. Most players in the team have a license to do what they want but that doesn't mean you do so when it's detrimental to the team. See Flamini.

I can understand a player not having the chops for a role. Not having the ability to execute what's required. Example, too slow, poor stamina, poor first touch, too weak, can't tackle...etc. But Ramsey is a player that has the ability to execute most of what's required to play as CM except the brain and awareness. That's his downfall. I'm not sure if that's something that can be learned or if we have to restrict his role to something more simple but I'm not focusing too much on Wenger because we already know he's not going to do anything. It's purely down to the players to learn quickly and do what's required of them.

[IBK]

It's not the pressure. It's the cowardice of the manager and his negative shitty tactics. If we're going to play the same way against every opponent then at least let it be like this, win, lose or draw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A_r-3PlyqY

Instead - when we had the feel good factor and a bit of momentum building he got terrified because we had injuries and he forced the team into a shell. Ever since, we have been SHITE. And he persists with it even though bad result is following on from bad result.

The Liverpool game. Some fans actually thought that was a good result. LOSING TWO POINTS in the last minute because we'd gone totally defensive. That was the start of the end. All as a result of cowardice and fear.

Stoke, disaster of a result. Again, some - including the manager, said it was decent to be dropping another two points against that shite.

Another slow start against the chavs instead of hitting their creaky old defence with pace.

The debacles against Southampton. What a fucking disgrace that 4-0 was, the warning signs were all there but the manager ignored them.

Norwich, West Brom, we've been playing awful, negative, fearful shite for weeks.

Manager's fault. All of it. If you are preaching cowardice and negativity then that's what will materialise on the pitch. The players are a reflection of their trembling manager. He;s the one who has no bottle, he's the one who can't handle the pressure. The attitude of the team starts with him. Same Theo Walcott against Man Utd as the guy who attempted 3 passes against Southampton. 3 passes! What's the manager going to do about that. I'll tell you. Fuck all.

Wenger has tried to creep his way to a title, eking out averages here and there, going for percentages, fighting mediocrity with mediocrity, covering his balls and praying nobody hurts him. You don't win titles like that. You don't compete like that.

He has 14 games to find his bollocks and sort his shit out. We have a good enough team to win all 14. But unless some miracle occurs and the old quivering fool somehow sees the light we just don't have the leader to take us there.

Wenger's fault. All him. Has been for ages. The one constant.

Agree with the highlighted part. This is the difference between Wenger, and the likes of Ranieiri and Pochettino. The cautious possession game - looking to find that elusive opening - is not best suited for the majority of games that we play in the EPL, and what's more it invites the counter attack - which ironically is our biggest Achilles heel - when inevitably we lose possession. So we have 2 psychological issues here. First caution as you say looks like it breeds indecision and nervousness about the opposition. Second, we are constantly jittery about being sucker-punched, and while this may not affect individual front players so much, as a team we end up neither one nor the other. Rarely do we have bodies bursting into the box, yet often we are caught too high up the pitch. I agree that if we often play without conviction, then this is down to the manager's approach.

[IBK]

Wenger giving players freedom and a player having positional awareness and discipline is a separate subject. Cazorla and Rosicky are prime examples. They never played as CM before and only due to injuries have they gotten a chance their but they understood what the team needed and we're they fit in. I accept that we haven't got a coach that's big on dishing out instructions but I don't get how some players can be so brainless when it comes to discipline. This is what I'd call a footballing brain issue. How can you see how we're struggling to move the ball forward, being forced wide with our wingers and wingbacks being forced down narrow channels and not offer support? Not offer a passing outlet instead of just rushing forward into the box? It's the same problem I have with Walcott just focusing on making runs when playing as a right winger on Tuesday. Can't they see the ball needs to be worked and we're struggling from deep areas? That's the difference difference between awareness and execution.

Take Arteta as an example. Was bought as a CM but saw we lacked discipline with no true DM and he made himself available for that role. That's the job he felt needed doing for the team and Wenger went with it. He doesn't go looking for glory, he understand what's need and just sits. Plays the anchor role and provides defensive cover. He has the awareness, discipline and intelligence for the role. I'm sure if he felt like going for glory and roaming further forward Wenger would let him but he doesn't do that. Most players in the team have a license to do what they want but that doesn't mean you do so when it's detrimental to the team. See Flamini.

I can understand a player not having the chops for a role. Not having the ability to execute what's required. Example, too slow, poor stamina, poor first touch, too weak, can't tackle...etc. But Ramsey is a player that has the ability to execute most of what's required to play as CM except the brain and awareness. That's his downfall. I'm not sure if that's something that can be learned or if we have to restrict his role to something more simple but I'm not focusing too much on Wenger because we already know he's not going to do anything. It's purely down to the players to learn quickly and do what's required of them.

But also - the manager needs to recognise his limitations and if he wants to play Ramsey centrally, perhaps go for a 4-4-1-1- with Ramsey playing centrally behind the striker. Wenger is wedded to his 4-3-3 variation, and Ramsey is not at his best playing wide, but neither is he right for a central pairing where he needs defensive discipline. Sometimes you need to play to players' strengths instead of assuming that they can fit in anywhere. Wenger does not do this nearly enough, and his formation and personnel are predictable. Also, while I understand the quality of Sanchez and Ozil , and their suitability to play wide positions in a front three - Wenger has always tended to regard certain players' positions as inviolate - and play them whenever they are available. However, this can operate to the detriment of others like Ramsey; the Ox - even Walcott. Square pegs in round holes generally don't work, and Wenger has too many of them.

[IBK]

Not sure he'd be interested in the director of football role. Dictator of football, that would be the minimum he'd settle for I suspect.

Missed this gem. :lol: :clap:

[mastermind84]

It doesn't relate because he was playing in a completely different position and it's why he was more disciplined and simplified his game. That demonstrates he has the ability to pass and keep it simple at DM but that doesn't mean he knows how to play as CM. Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again. It adds further evidence to the original debate where you've wrongly assumed Ramsey needs Arteta to play next to him to flourish. He doesn't. He just needs a brain and maybe some guidance from Wenger again to build from the back and pick his runs more strategically. He's not demonstrating that at the moments and besides that one moment where he was on form, he hasn't shown it before or since. I'll avoid using the word season since you want to play semantics. ;) But as I said in the original debate, something started to click with Ramsey early and we can probably pin point it to him playing as DM.

This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2269607/Aaron-Ramsey-enjoying-defensive-midfield-role-Arsenal.html

Even after a stint at DM he mentions wanting to get forward and getting into the box. That's probably his problem and where I see him going wrong at CM.

http://arseblog.com/2016/02/tactics-column-arsenal-miss-chances-and-fail-to-build-effectively/

It's also worth reading this from Arseblog. With the middle being so packed and us depending so much on Bellerin moving the ball forward, I have no idea why he didn't have the sense to drop back and provide more support. It's a complaint I've had with the Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta axis of ages. Only when Rosicky or Cazorla come into the fold are we able to play through the middle more comfortably and I don't think Wenger gives instructions on where a player should be when playing CM as Arseblog assumes. A more attack minded player like Cazorla has enough sense to sit deep and build slowly from the back. I don't know why he'd give Ramsey different instructions.

I will repeat it one more time. THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SEASON HE SHOWED HE COULD PLAY DISCIPLINED CENTRAL MIDFIELD! It was not just one match but the last 15-16 games or so.

He won Player of the Month in April that year with no goals and assists. That shows how even fans were starting to see him controlling matches.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ramsey-wins-player-of-the-month-award

that 2012-13 season he had one goal and two assists so he wasnt an attacking force. He only took 1.3 shots a game. The next season that jumped to about 2.2 and its been above 2.2 since.

Ramsey's goal scoring is a big asset though because we only have 3 guys that realistically can score goals in this entire squad. He just needs to do a better job at picking his spots but its in his locker to be a disciplined player. Thats the big reason he jumped Jack in the order and many others. He needs to stop being goal hungry but instead find the right moments to do get in there. Thats his big problem but he can do that.

[Power n Glory]

But also - the manager needs to recognise his limitations and if he wants to play Ramsey centrally, perhaps go for a 4-4-1-1- with Ramsey playing centrally behind the striker. Wenger is wedded to his 4-3-3 variation, and Ramsey is not at his best playing wide, but neither is he right for a central pairing where he needs defensive discipline. Sometimes you need to play to players' strengths instead of assuming that they can fit in anywhere. Wenger does not do this nearly enough, and his formation and personnel are predictable. Also, while I understand the quality of Sanchez and Ozil , and their suitability to play wide positions in a front three - Wenger has always tended to regard certain players' positions as inviolate - and play them whenever they are available. However, this can operate to the detriment of others like Ramsey; the Ox - even Walcott. Square pegs in round holes generally don't work, and Wenger has too many of them.

That’s an argument we’ve had on here for years and it’s just not going to happen. He won’t switch the formation to suit a player and even in a 4-4-1-1 Ramsey wouldn’t beat Ozil for that role, but that’s a side issue. Hoping for Wenger to find the solution is pointless. Only through injury and fortune has he come across key players like Coquelin, Monreal and Cazorla as CM. He’s hopeless so I’m not focussing on what he needs to do anymore because he’s got nothing left to offer. He won’t surprise us with anything new for the remained of the season so it’s time to look for the players to find their second wind. Or bloody injuries to force his hand with team selection. It’s come to that level. It’s frustrating as hell but I also think some players need to sort it out. I get how playing a highline when we have Merts in the squad is risky because the player simply doesn’t have the attributes for it. That’s on the coach. I get how Giroud isn’t suitable for certain games even. But when you have the ability, the attributes and it’s just a case of recognising your role, I blame the player.

Some things the players should just be able to work out. I’ll usually defend Theo Walcott but how can he not recognise that he’s only completed two passes in over 30 minutes of football? Similar to Ramsey, I saw the idiot making runs into the box when he should have been coming short because there was no passing lane. He made two decent crosses that opened up Southampton, why isn’t he smart enough to think he needs to work the channels and put more crosses into the box? That’s a footballing intelligence problem. I don’t know how these guys can watch games of themselves and not come away looking to adapt? On the one hand we say Wenger gives player freedom so shouldn’t that mean they aren’t restricted in their role and he’s not telling them not to come short, not sit deeper, just focus on getting into the box? These guys are old enough and have been through enough bad patches that they should know by now. How have they not done their own research? I’m not excusing Wenger but some players are walking themselves into a dead end career if they continue like this. Theo has no career at the top level if he were to leave Arsenal today because he’s neither competent as a striker or winger. He’s playing like Podolski right now just with more pace and lot less clinical. He needs to really step his game up or he’ll find himself on the trash heap with the rest of the obsolete players the modern game has no use for.

Sorry for the rant. I’ve kind of lost patience for the lot of them. There seems to be no reaction from the Board, the manager or even the players. Something needs to click either of them this season. Now. Or it’s time for the fans to do something different and just stop bothering with it.

[Power n Glory]

I will repeat it one more time. THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SEASON HE SHOWED HE COULD PLAY DISCIPLINED CENTRAL MIDFIELD! It was not just one match but the last 15-16 games or so.

He won Player of the Month in April that year with no goals and assists. That shows how even fans were starting to see him controlling matches.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ramsey-wins-player-of-the-month-award

that 2012-13 season he had one goal and two assists so he wasnt an attacking force. He only took 1.3 shots a game. The next season that jumped to about 2.2 and its been above 2.2 since.

Ramsey's goal scoring is a big asset though because we only have 3 guys that realistically can score goals in this entire squad. He just needs to do a better job at picking his spots but its in his locker to be a disciplined player. Thats the big reason he jumped Jack in the order and many others. He needs to stop being goal hungry but instead find the right moments to do get in there. Thats his big problem but he can do that.

Really? Caps lock? ;) Sheesh. It doens't enhance your point.


Read that again and take a seat.


Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again.

[mastermind84]

Really? Caps lock? ;) Sheesh. It doens't enhance your point.


Read that again and take a seat.

you said Ramsey was incapable of playing that way. I just posted you he did and reminded you that you fell back from that wrong stance last week, and now you have decided to change goal posts, like you always do. :lol:

[Power n Glory]

you said Ramsey was incapable of playing that way. I just posted you he did and reminded you that you fell back from that wrong stance last week, and now you have decided to change goal posts, like you always do. :lol:

Do you reply to anyone else on GW or just reply to my posts like a groupie? ;)

You seem too preoccupied with playing semantics to try to get the gist of what's being said. It's even to the point that your undermining your own argument of Ramsey needing Arteta.

The point is Ramsey hasn't found that same form that had him playing with confidence and for arguments sake, we'll call it a fluke period and it started after he was getting booed and then dropped from the first team. After he went to Wenger for advice. We're talking a year and some months of good form. Isn't this his 8th year at Arsenal? Can you pinpoint any other year where he was just as good? FFS this isn't rocket science.

[Letters]

It's nice you two are taking up the slack while NQ and me are on a break :d

[Power n Glory]

It's nice you two are taking up the slack while NQ and me are on a break :d

These sort of arguments are pointless because he knows and agrees with the main point of the argument, which is Ramsey hasn't replicated his best form and needs to learn how to play better as a CM. But he wants to play semantics about when exactly Ramsey's transition started. Who gives a fuck? At least you and NQ have a fundamental difference opinion on a subject and not playing semantics.

[Niall_Quinn]

We keep things simple. I'm right, Letters is wrong.

[Letters]

Yeah :cool:







Wait, what? <_<

[Xhaka Can’t]

It's nice you two are taking up the slack while NQ and me are on a break :d
:lol:

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[Maestro]

It doesn't relate because he was playing in a completely different position and it's why he was more disciplined and simplified his game. That demonstrates he has the ability to pass and keep it simple at DM but that doesn't mean he knows how to play as CM. Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again. It adds further evidence to the original debate where you've wrongly assumed Ramsey needs Arteta to play next to him to flourish. He doesn't. He just needs a brain and maybe some guidance from Wenger again to build from the back and pick his runs more strategically. He's not demonstrating that at the moments and besides that one moment where he was on form, he hasn't shown it before or since. I'll avoid using the word season since you want to play semantics. ;) But as I said in the original debate, something started to click with Ramsey early and we can probably pin point it to him playing as DM.

This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2269607/Aaron-Ramsey-enjoying-defensive-midfield-role-Arsenal.html

Even after a stint at DM he mentions wanting to get forward and getting into the box. That's probably his problem and where I see him going wrong at CM.

http://arseblog.com/2016/02/tactics-column-arsenal-miss-chances-and-fail-to-build-effectively/

It's also worth reading this from Arseblog. With the middle being so packed and us depending so much on Bellerin moving the ball forward, I have no idea why he didn't have the sense to drop back and provide more support. It's a complaint I've had with the Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta axis of ages. Only when Rosicky or Cazorla come into the fold are we able to play through the middle more comfortably and I don't think Wenger gives instructions on where a player should be when playing CM as Arseblog assumes. A more attack minded player like Cazorla has enough sense to sit deep and build slowly from the back. I don't know why he'd give Ramsey different instructions.

very much agree and align with the thoughts in this post, it's exactly what i think regards the Ramsey situation and to a wider extent the central midfield situation. we've had, well he's had years to put it right, should have fixed it as soon as Vieira and Gilberto left, but no he went went for Denilson, Fabregas, and Song even the " signed broken-backed Bischoff" then straight onto Arteta until the recent emergence of Coq and perseverance of Carzola...take that in for a moment :sulk:, let it sink

next ..

..same as the striker situation ...he's had since Van Persie left to fix that, but no we went for Chamakh, Giroud, Sanogo and Welbeck ..take a moment, take that in, after seeing the likes of Wright, Henry and Bergkamp grace our turf...let it sink

..and next

oh but it doesn't stop there, he did it with the Goalkeepinq situation. he's only just fixed this since Jens left the building, Almunia, Fabianski, Polish Kid, Ospina ..take a minute, breathe!

..it doesn't stop there

apart from Theo's contract negotiation performances in two periods during his last decade with us, we've seen nothing like an adequate replacement on the right wing/forward position since Freddie. at times over the years we've even seen extended runs in that key attacking position from the likes of Eboue, Gervhino and through no fault of their own, Ox and Gnarbry (they're only little and misguided)

we can go on here, and we haven't touched the tactical, motivational, selection and injury issues :sulk:

ultimate question is really about what our individual tolerance levels can take before we feel like we're being mugged, and then snap, and at this rate i would say it's now a question of when our respective individual snap points are breached, and no longer about when they will go. in finality, only when those individual snap points converge or agree/unite simultaneously, resulting in fire and rebuke from the terraces ....nothing is going to change and no one is taking responsibility apart from raking it in, so fuck 'em ..just as they are evidently through their actions and rhetoric saying fuck us the fans!

trying to take down Wenger and the boardroom/owner situation is like trying to get rid of Putin or Mugabe, in the end you just get tired of it :faint: ....but let's not prop up a failed state or accept it's ways.

[Power n Glory]

:gp:

It's all linked. It's taken him far too long to fix key positions and now that we have money, he's out of excuses. We shouldn't be persisting with Giroud up top. We were lucky to stumble across Coquelin otherwise we may have still been relying on Arteta, Flamini or maybe even Chambers. As for Walcott, is that what over 10 years of development under Wenger looks like? 10 years playing on the wing and he hasn't improved and it's so bad now Wenger given him license to abdicate all winger duties and just focus on being a wide striker. He's not dribbling, rarely crosses and won'r come deep or short for the ball to link up play with others. Is that 10 years worth of development? 2/3 passes? That's a sick joke. I agree with IBK and that we should be playing to our players strengths and I've said for ages Theo isn't a dribbler and should be played up front but given he's had 10 years playing as a winger, I don't know how he and Wenger can be satisfied with him just making runs from a wide position and not getting involved in the build up play. It's like the last 10 years have been a complete waste. I thought we we working on building a complete player? He's now more one dimensional than when he first arrived. I fear that's the same course Ramsey is taken with these idiotic urges to surge into the box at every moment. Total tunnel vision.

I think the snapping point for tolerance goes this season if we fuck this one up. In fact, I think Wenger has shown himself up so bad this season that even if we manage to win it people will want him gone. People are seeing the excuses about not being able to spend because of financial doping, the stadium and whatever else he's had to hide behind is complete bullshit. Some may hang on for dear life and keep faith in Wenger but when we start losing players, key individuals because they're not prepared to put their futures in the hands of a madman, I think everyone will see the full circle and nobody will want to give Wenger anymore time to build a new team.

[Power n Glory]

http://arseblog.com/2016/02/roquelin/

A good piece from Tillman on Arseblog. Relates to the midfield axis. The problems mentioned with the Flamsey combo is similar to what i've seen with Arteta Ramsey and Wilshere. Wilshere and Ramsey especially because they have no partnership when playing together. Hardly exchange passes and play too far apart.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://arseblog.com/2016/02/roquelin/

A good piece from Tillman on Arseblog. Relates to the midfield axis. The problems mentioned with the Flamsey combo is similar to what i've seen with Arteta Ramsey and Wilshere. Wilshere and Ramsey especially because they have no partnership when playing together. Hardly exchange passes and play too far apart.

Summarised - at some point we need to replace Vieira.

A ball playing, box to box, close control specialist, destroyer, artist, goal threat. Not easy to do but we've had a little time to look around. There have been options, all passed up. Need to replace RvC too, btw. Again, options abound, all passed up. Wenger has tried to build what we need using materials like Walcott, Wilshere, and even Yaya fucking Sanogo. He doesn't seem to care that these players show no signs of progression, are injured all the time or can't play football, respectively. He has a vision of where they could be, what they could be like and he's been willing to persist. That's what you get when there's no pressure on the manager. No other manager in the game could be sitting there 10 years later still experimenting, still waiting. This is why *anyone* with a basic skill set could replace Wenger at this stage, provided they had the backing of the board and the muscle to go and buy the two players we need and have needed forever.

[Chippy]

Summarised - at some point we need to replace Vieira.

A ball playing, box to box, close control specialist, destroyer, artist, goal threat. Not easy to do but we've had a little time to look around. There have been options, all passed up. Need to replace RvC too, btw. Again, options abound, all passed up. Wenger has tried to build what we need using materials like Walcott, Wilshere, and even Yaya fucking Sanogo. He doesn't seem to care that these players show no signs of progression, are injured all the time or can't play football, respectively. He has a vision of where they could be, what they could be like and he's been willing to persist. That's what you get when there's no pressure on the manager. No other manager in the game could be sitting there 10 years later still experimenting, still waiting. This is why *anyone* with a basic skill set could replace Wenger at this stage, provided they had the backing of the board and the muscle to go and buy the two players we need and have needed forever.
Top fucking post! My Nan could replace Wenger......God rest her soul.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CacyRBHWcAAHSZs.jpg