Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Kano]

Morata came on for last ten minutes of Italian cup final and scored a decent goal and most likely the winner. Given how we spend as a club, I'm not sure I'd want us to spend that much on a player based on potential.

[mastermind84]

Morata came on for last ten minutes of Italian cup final and scored a decent goal and most likely the winner. Given how we spend as a club, I'm not sure I'd want us to spend that much on a player based on potential.
It's a new day

We have to cuz someone else will reap

Also, 50-60 million today is less than what 30 million was even 10 years ago in football economics.

We may have lost out on Martial because of that.

[Munchies]

Morata came on for last ten minutes of Italian cup final and scored a decent goal and most likely the winner. Given how we spend as a club, I'm not sure I'd want us to spend that much on a player based on potential.

here's the goal for anyone else
https://streamable.com/eaqz

I think we have to look at who is available and the list of available strikers is pretty short right now. Lacazette/Icardi/Higuain/Morata

Lacazzette would cost £30m+

Icardi near £25m

Higuain £40m (annoyingly, should've signed him 3 years ago :doh: )

Morata is ALOT but we might just have to get him. He doesn't have that much pace though

I'd also take a punt on the Janssen guy from AZ Alkmaar

[Niall_Quinn]

here's the goal for anyone else
https://streamable.com/eaqz

I think we have to look at who is available and the list of available strikers is pretty short right now. Lacazette/Icardi/Higuain/Morata

Lacazzette would cost £30m+

Icardi near £25m

Higuain £40m (annoyingly, should've signed him 3 years ago :doh: )

Morata is ALOT but we might just have to get him. He doesn't have that much pace though

I'd also take a punt on the Janssen guy from AZ Alkmaar

Nice the way he reads the line all the way down the pitch while keeping himself available for the pass the entire time. Our lump would do the opposite, cling to the defender the whole way down the pitch and then leap offside at the critical moment.

[mastermind84]

to get him. He doesn't have that much pace though


He has RVP like speed but his movement is excellent

[Kano]

It's a new day

We have to cuz someone else will reap

Also, 50-60 million today is less than what 30 million was even 10 years ago in football economics.

We may have lost out on Martial because of that.
I think at nearly every other big club that makes sense but under our current set-up with the manager and the owner, I don't think it does.

[mastermind84]

I think at nearly every other big club that makes sense but under our current set-up with the manager and the owner, I don't think it does.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

[I am invisible]

here's the goal for anyone else
https://streamable.com/eaqz

I think we have to look at who is available and the list of available strikers is pretty short right now. Lacazette/Icardi/Higuain/Morata

Lacazzette would cost £30m+

Icardi near £25m

Higuain £40m (annoyingly, should've signed him 3 years ago :doh: )

Morata is ALOT but we might just have to get him. He doesn't have that much pace though

I'd also take a punt on the Janssen guy from AZ Alkmaar

Yeah, I wouldn't rule Janssen out, just because of his relatively quick rise and lack of top flight experience - the two top scorers in the Prem this year were a promoted academy player, who'd been farmed out on 4 loans before he got his first team chance, an a former non-league player, so

What about Milik at Ajax? We were linked with him a few months back - anyone know if he's any good?

Cheeky bid for Gabriel Barbossa maybe? Or is he destined for bigger things if he leaves Santos?

Plus I'm sure there's the usual string of forwards that I've never heard of from France, Portugal, Switzerland and other random leagues...

[Marc Overmars]

Morata linked again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/alvaro-morata-to-arsenal-gunners-willing-to-make-striker-the-highest-paid-player-at-the-club-to-fend-a7041356.html

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Do we want to spend 30 million+ on a guy behind Dybala and Mandzukic?

[Marc Overmars]

More importantly, do we want to spend £30m+ on someone that hasn't scored more than 15 goals in a season?

[Power n Glory]

Do we want to spend 30 million+ on a guy behind Dybala and Mandzukic?

It doesn't make sense. Wenger seems to have an obsession with these bulky strikers with good technique and assist records over complete goal machines.

From Chamakh, Sanogo to Giroud. Seems reluctant to go for someone with pace and agility.

[Niall_Quinn]

Even more importantly, are we proposing to spend the summer chasing a striker that first has to be transferred back to Marketing for half the price they'll be trying to flog him on at? Won't that be a bit like opening our mouth while they piss in it? And won't it run the risk of another drawn out saga with us ending up with fuck all when the window closes?

I'd slap £50mill on the table for Benzema today. Definitely an upgrade on Bif and after all his woes he might be up for a new start in London. Good enough statement of intent and we know the guy can take to the big stage without chucking up his lunch and choking.

Why isn't the striker deal done already? We've had a year to set it up. Why haven't we got a CB lined up? What are they waiting for? If we can do one deal early then why haven't we got 3 lined up? We need to get on and Morata looks like a spanner we don't need being thrown into the works.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I'm just finding different ways to say the same thing lol......

At least with Aguero when he was in Spain he was scoring loads and built like a mini tank. Still gutted we didn't try and sign him years ago but let's not go there!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He only saves his goals for the big games. :lol:

[Power n Glory]

I'm just finding different ways to say the same thing lol......

At least with Aguero when he was in Spain he was scoring loads and built like a mini tank. Still gutted we didn't try and sign him years ago but let's not go there!

I don't think Wenger is even looking for that sort of striker. A physical presence with technique seems to be what he's looking for.

[KSE Comedy Club]

More importantly, do we want to spend £30m+ on someone that hasn't scored more than 15 goals in a season?

Of course, its a player with pretty average stats - perfect for a Wenger striker target :good:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Even more importantly, are we proposing to spend the summer chasing a striker that first has to be transferred back to Marketing for half the price they'll be trying to flog him on at? Won't that be a bit like opening our mouth while they piss in it? And won't it run the risk of another drawn out saga with us ending up with fuck all when the window closes?

I'd slap £50mill on the table for Benzema today. Definitely an upgrade on Bif and after all his woes he might be up for a new start in London. Good enough statement of intent and we know the guy can take to the big stage without chucking up his lunch and choking.

Why isn't the striker deal done already? We've had a year to set it up. Why haven't we got a CB lined up? What are they waiting for? If we can do one deal early then why haven't we got 3 lined up? We need to get on and Morata looks like a spanner we don't need being thrown into the works.

We already have the Wenger spanner

[dostoy]

I think we should get rid of Walcott and sign Janssen and Michy Batshuayi from AZ Alkmaar and Marseille respectively.

[fakeyank]

I'd rather we spend big on Lukaku than any of the names mentioned here. Unless we are going to place a realistic bid for Messi, Neymar, Suarez or Ronaldo.

Oh, there is Ibrahimovic too but I dont think Wenger will want someone with an opinion.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

What would be a realistic bid?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Surely we could tempt Aumebyang by throwing lot of dosh his way?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lukaku should be so much better than he is, seems like he is coasting his way through his career to me.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Morata linked again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/alvaro-morata-to-arsenal-gunners-willing-to-make-striker-the-highest-paid-player-at-the-club-to-fend-a7041356.html

This is the one rumour I want to be true. The last time I wanted a striker as much was when Arsene was thinking about signing F Torres before he stuck his faith in a Bendtner -and Liverpool didn't waste any time or money. Morata is an excellent player -and Ozil would be the perfect partner for him. Morata, Sanchez and Ozil would be fantastic.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think Wenger is even looking for that sort of striker. A physical presence with technique seems to be what he's looking for.

Yeah. Benzema.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd rather we spend big on Lukaku than any of the names mentioned here. Unless we are going to place a realistic bid for Messi, Neymar, Suarez or Ronaldo.

Oh, there is Ibrahimovic too but I dont think Wenger will want someone with an opinion.

Lukaku isn't even a upgrade on Giroud. Can't you tell the difference between a bog standard journeyman and a player? Lukaku would bash and batter his way to about as many goals as Bif I reckon. Maybe a few more, but not enough t make a difference. Let the chavs or gypos take him. And ideally Liverpool take Ibra. But that won't happen either. Ibra knows how to be in the right place at the right time, that's probably his biggest attribute.

[Niall_Quinn]

We already have the Wenger spanner

We do. Which is why most of this is academic. If we don't splash big for a player that has so much character and drive that even Wenger can't bring him down then we're wasting time. But of course Wenger has that covered, he never spends what is really needed. So maybe the best bet is to be hoping he lucks in on a younger player who comes good fast. Everyone's laughing at Rashford but he's a hell of player. Amazing we haven't seen something like that come through the ranks considering Wenger is such a genius with young players.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is the one rumour I want to be true. The last time I wanted a striker as much was when Arsene was thinking about signing F Torres before he stuck his faith in a Bendtner -and Liverpool didn't waste any time or money. Morata is an excellent player -and Ozil would be the perfect partner for him. Morata, Sanchez and Ozil would be fantastic.

You said it. Wants Torres - goes with Bendtner. That should be the strapline on Wenger's book he'll write some day and all the psychiatrists will devour.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We signed Eduardo when Liverpool signed Torres. In addition, we had RVP and Adebayor at the time as the strikers ahead of Bendtner.

It seems that people are just making events up to back their viewpoints.

Wenger has made some daft decisions but wow is the revisionism strong on here.

[Kano]

Lukaku should be so much better than he is, seems like he is coasting his way through his career to me.

He's 23 and scoring more each season having had a quick look at his stats. Scored more than Giroud in a team that really did become a shambles. He has his faults and areas to improve on but I can't see us attracting a genuine world class striker and I think he's as good a bet as any in terms of potential and will guarantee a certain level of return too.

[Marc Overmars]

Everton were pathetic so I think I'd give Lukaku the benefit of the doubt for the end of season tail off. His scoring record for West Brom and Everton is very good so it's fair to suggest he could become a serious player in a better team.

My only reservation about him is that he can be a bit of an oaf, he's not a very polished striker. He reminds of a bit of Adebayor when he first joined us. WUMger managed to elevate his game though so I think he could do the same again.

I'd certainly be wary of the £50m+ price tag though, think we could probably spend that better but if we're talking about Premier League ready solutions, then Lukaku fits the bill.

[Niall_Quinn]

We signed Eduardo when Liverpool signed Torres. In addition, we had RVP and Adebayor at the time as the strikers ahead of Bendtner.

It seems that people are just making events up to back their viewpoints.

Wenger has made some daft decisions but wow is the revisionism strong on here.

The commentary revolves around Wenger's unfailing ability to allow gaps to develop that are never plugged. And as bonus material when the threat of a gap exists he knows how to exploit that too and ensure we fall right into it. There's no revisionism. This guy has been leaving the squad light for over a decade. He had his money excuses for much of that period, now his excuse is he can't find anyone better than what we have. An obvious lie. I think the wow factor should be pinned on how long he's managed to get away with it. The 2% away from domination thing is an in-joke and exaggeration, but built on a truth. Negligence is the best word to sum it up.

[Power n Glory]

We signed Eduardo when Liverpool signed Torres. In addition, we had RVP and Adebayor at the time as the strikers ahead of Bendtner.

It seems that people are just making events up to back their viewpoints.

Wenger has made some daft decisions but wow is the revisionism strong on here.

I would probably highlight 2010 when we signed Chamakh as the problem season. RVP was often out injured but for some reason we went for Chamakh of all players. A good bunch of strikers were floating around Europe at the time but we went for Chamakh.

[Niall_Quinn]

I would probably highlight 2010 when we signed Chamakh as the problem season. RVP was often out injured but for some reason we went for Chamakh of all players. A good bunch of strikers were floating around Europe at the time but we went for Chamakh.

We've started European ties with Sanogo leading the line. There's no hiding place for this guy now. The game is up. It's only because we have nobody with footballing ambition at head office that Wenger keeps his seat. At a real football club a manager this incompetent and negligent would have been booted years ago, but we aren't a football club, we're an investment house. A good one, granted.

[Munchies]

We've started European ties with Sanogo leading the line. There's no hiding place for this guy now. The game is up. It's only because we have nobody with footballing ambition at head office that Wenger keeps his seat. At a real football club a manager this incompetent and negligent would have been booted years ago, but we aren't a football club, we're an investment house. A good one, granted.

:gp:

Surprisingly, Sanoogogoals was pretty good against Bayern, well from what we all expected :lol:

I'd play him over Giroud too, atleast he makes himself a nuisance to defend against

[I am invisible]

He's 23 and scoring more each season having had a quick look at his stats. Scored more than Giroud in a team that really did become a shambles. He has his faults and areas to improve on but I can't see us attracting a genuine world class striker and I think he's as good a bet as any in terms of potential and will guarantee a certain level of return too.


Everton were pathetic so I think I'd give Lukaku the benefit of the doubt for the end of season tail off. His scoring record for West Brom and Everton is very good so it's fair to suggest he could become a serious player in a better team.

My only reservation about him is that he can be a bit of an oaf, he's not a very polished striker. He reminds of a bit of Adebayor when he first joined us. WUMger managed to elevate his game though so I think he could do the same again.

I'd certainly be wary of the £50m+ price tag though, think we could probably spend that better but if we're talking about Premier League ready solutions, then Lukaku fits the bill.

I have a feeling Wenger will have looked at the two and decided that he already has a similar(ish) skill set in a forward in Welbeck. I'm only going off stats on shitty old Squawka (http://www.squawka.com/home/) here, but if they're accurate then there doesn't look to be a whole lot in it per 90 minutes - not £50m+ worth of difference anyway...


Giroud - Welbeck - Lukaku stats > (http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2015/2016/olivier_giroud/165/165/115/0/p|premier_league/2015/2016/danny_welbeck/165/165/88/31/p|premier_league/2015/2016/romelu_lukaku/165/165/897/34/p#goals_scored/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons_%/aerial_duels_won_%/tackles_won/interceptions/assists/key_passes/chances_created#90)

By far the biggest thing that Lukaku has in his favour there is that very first stat: he's been available for over 3000 minutes of football whereas Welbeck has barely clocked 500! But it doesn't really matter much how we read it - the important thing here is how Wenger will see it, and I can already hear him saying "I already have Danny Welbeck - what would I do with them all when he's fit?"

[Power n Glory]

:gp:

Surprisingly, Sanoogogoals was pretty good against Bayern, well from what we all expected :lol:

I'd play him over Giroud too, atleast he makes himself a nuisance to defend against

His movement and link up play was exceptional. It's just his finishing and how clumsy he looks in front of goal. No shot technique. Can never sort his feet out quick enough to get a clean shot and even if he did he's scuffing the shot and the balls bobbling wide or straight to the keeper.

[Niall_Quinn]

If we're even talking as if Sanogo has a place on the pitch in an Arsenal shirt under any circumstances, ever, then it shows how far our expectations and ambitions have fallen. Wenger has done a real number on this club. Can you see Sanogo running out for Barcelona? It would be ridiculous. The fans there would think it was April Fools, they'd laugh until they realised it was serious and then they'd be outraged and the manager's time would be up. Barcelona is one of the clubs we were supposed to be trading punches with by now, a decade after the grand financial plan swung into action. So maybe the plan didn't work out but that hasn't stopped the instigators cashing-in again and again. One way street. Anyway, let's just say we're not seriously competing with Barcelona right now. Is it still the plan to do that at some time in the future?

Well let's stop talking about Lukaku then, because that's ridiculous too. Especially at £50mill.

Proper players required now please. Spend the fucking money!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I would probably highlight 2010 when we signed Chamakh as the problem season. RVP was often out injured but for some reason we went for Chamakh of all players. A good bunch of strikers were floating around Europe at the time but we went for Chamakh.

For some reason?....you know exactly why we went for him

[GP]

I'd play him over Giroud too

I don't wish to be rude, but I've read some dumb stuff on here...

[Niall_Quinn]

For some reason?....you know exactly why we went for him

Even waited the year until the price was just the way we like it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Even waited the year until the price was just the way we like it.

The joke was we paid him about 80k a week as well

[Niall_Quinn]

The joke was we paid him about 80k a week as well

No, the real joke was we were all sitting there waiting for the guy to show us something. Every time a striker comes in, same story. Giroud, is he the one? Chamakh? This is the guy. Sanogo - well hold on a minute, something's wrong here!

Wright, Bergkamp, Henry, Wiltord, RvC...

Bif, Lily and Postie?

Somebody's having a laugh!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

you are really mentioning Wiltord in the same annuls as Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and that other dutch toerag?

Wiltord is certainly no better than Giroud, the difference is that Wiltord wasn't played as our main striker.....

[Globalgunner]

you are really mentioning Wiltord in the same annuls as Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and that other dutch toerag?

Wiltord is certainly no better than Giroud, the difference is that Wiltord wasn't played as our main striker.....

Steady on here. Wiltord may have been behind Henry and Bergkamp, but he is a better striker than Giroud ever was. Do you remember Wiltord ever having a mare in front of goal. Do you think Giroud could ever score the goals that wiltord scored fpor us. the winner in a tight game like he did to win us the title at OT.

None of our current strikeforce is good enough to clean the man boots.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Steady on here. Wiltord may have been behind Henry and Bergkamp, but he is a better striker than Giroud ever was. Do you remember Wiltord ever having a mare in front of goal. Do you think Giroud could ever score the goals that wiltord scored fpor us. the winner in a tight game like he did to win us the title at OT.

None of our current strikeforce is good enough to clean the man boots.

Wiltord was often terrible in front of goal and he was never prolific....i think we are crying for the moon

Yes Giroud played more games than Wiltord, but he has massively outscored him in the same period of time that Wiltord played for the club.

That's what is frustrating, Giroud is a decent squad striker about the same level of someone like Wiltord but should not be starting week in, week out and if he wasn't....i don't think people would be so scathing of him.

Giroud and Welbeck are good backups if we actually had a decent 25+ front man

[Kano]

Well, what are we bloody waiting for??

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-invincible-sylvain-wiltord-announces-plans-to-come-out-of-retirement-at-the-age-of-41-a6972581.html

[Globalgunner]

Wiltord was often terrible in front of goal and he was never prolific....i think we are crying for the moon

Yes Giroud played more games than Wiltord, but he has massively outscored him in the same period of time that Wiltord played for the club.

That's what is frustrating, Giroud is a decent squad striker about the same level of someone like Wiltord but should not be starting week in, week out and if he wasn't....i don't think people would be so scathing of him.

Giroud and Welbeck are good backups if we actually had a decent 25+ front man

Terrible in front of goal. Really?. Im sure you cannot remember a single game that he was terrible in. Giroud on the other hand.
Giroud is 2nd rate always has been on that we are agreed.
Wiltord on the other hand has scored goals that have been crucial for both club and country

[Power n Glory]

For some reason?....you know exactly why we went for him

Yep. He was cheap. But there are plenty of decent free agents hanging around that we don't go for. Why we stuck our necks out for this one, I really don't know.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well, what are we bloody waiting for??

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-invincible-sylvain-wiltord-announces-plans-to-come-out-of-retirement-at-the-age-of-41-a6972581.html

I remember Wiltord saying that he and Wenger used to have blazing rows in his last season or so at the club which almost led to both men coming to blows.

[Globalgunner]

Well, what are we bloody waiting for??

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-invincible-sylvain-wiltord-announces-plans-to-come-out-of-retirement-at-the-age-of-41-a6972581.html

Arsene wont sign him anymore, too expensive and would hinder the progress of Sanogo and Akpom

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Terrible in front of goal. Really?. Im sure you cannot remember a single game that he was terrible in. Giroud on the other hand.
Giroud is 2nd rate always has been on that we are agreed.
Wiltord on the other hand has scored goals that have been crucial for both club and country

Wiltord got 49 goals in 173 games for us

Giroud has scored 82 in 188

If Giroud has scored in less crucial games internationally (i only remember Wiltord scoring the one goal in euro 2000 that counted as crucial) it's because France has diminished as a quality team compared to what it was, rather like Arsenal in that respect.

[GP]

Some massive revisionism going on here.

We all love Wiltord for the goal at Old Trafford, but he was certainly no better than Giroud. Not by any stretch.

[Power n Glory]

No comparison. Wiltord was played as a winger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No comparison. Wiltord was played as a winger.

More often than not he played as a second striker

Bergkamp certainly wasn't playing every game for us and they used to alternate

Yes Wiltord did play on the wing at times, but not that often because Ljungberg and Pires played there

Wiltord was a decent squad player, Giroud is a decent squad player.....the difference i reiterate is that one was used as a squad player the other is used as our no1 choice striker.

[Marc Overmars]

Giroud would be fine as a number 2 striker but he's nowhere near good enough to be relied on over the course of a season. I think his attitude is questionable and that manifests itself on the field with his little tantrums and wrestling matches with markers he can't get the better of.

[Niall_Quinn]

you are really mentioning Wiltord in the same annuls as Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and that other dutch toerag?

Wiltord is certainly no better than Giroud, the difference is that Wiltord wasn't played as our main striker.....

Of course not. What I'm saying is we had standards and those standards have entirely disappeared.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Of course not. What I'm saying is we had standards and those standards have entirely disappeared.

Because the same players we could pull out of obscurity and get for cheap, are no longer obscure and no longer cheap and Wenger's magic hat has a hole in the bottom.

Can we afford to buy these same players?.....of course. But what's the fun for Wenger is buying established or prodigious talent when everyone knew how good that player was to begin with.

[Niall_Quinn]

:banghead:

Forget about Wiltord then. I included Theo in that list too, he's the invisible one. Wenger has been fucking the club with his cheaparse signings up front and it has been costing us. There's every chance he'll do it again this season. But on the offchance he finally gets his fucking act in gear, we need quality up there and that means no skimping or scraping barrels out.

[Power n Glory]

More often than not he played as a second striker

Bergkamp certainly wasn't playing every game for us and they used to alternate

Yes Wiltord did play on the wing at times, but not that often because Ljungberg and Pires played there

Wiltord was a decent squad player, Giroud is a decent squad player.....the difference i reiterate is that one was used as a squad player the other is used as our no1 choice striker.

Wiltord played as winger. Hardly ever as a second striker. Only in his last season was he tried more in the middle with Henry. Ljunberg was injured a lot also. We'd rotate between the two. He left because he wanted to be a striker and more game time.

[Power n Glory]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/3086187.stm


The 29-year-old is said to be unhappy at being consistently played out of position on the right-wing by Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger.

"I made my name as a striker with Rennes and Bordeaux and over six years with the two clubs I was used to being a first-choice in that position," Wiltord was reported as saying.

"Here I have not played as regularly and when I have played up front it's been when Thierry Henry has been injured."

I remember he was making a name for himself in France and at International level as a striker but we played him as winger. Similar hallmarks to Theo Walcott's development.

[Kano]

I have a feeling Wenger will have looked at the two and decided that he already has a similar(ish) skill set in a forward in Welbeck. I'm only going off stats on shitty old Squawka (http://www.squawka.com/home/) here, but if they're accurate then there doesn't look to be a whole lot in it per 90 minutes - not £50m+ worth of difference anyway...


Giroud - Welbeck - Lukaku stats > (http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2015/2016/olivier_giroud/165/165/115/0/p|premier_league/2015/2016/danny_welbeck/165/165/88/31/p|premier_league/2015/2016/romelu_lukaku/165/165/897/34/p#goals_scored/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons_%/aerial_duels_won_%/tackles_won/interceptions/assists/key_passes/chances_created#90)

By far the biggest thing that Lukaku has in his favour there is that very first stat: he's been available for over 3000 minutes of football whereas Welbeck has barely clocked 500! But it doesn't really matter much how we read it - the important thing here is how Wenger will see it, and I can already hear him saying "I already have Danny Welbeck - what would I do with them all when he's fit?"

Fair points. Lukaku is definitely heading somewhere going by this:


“In my head I know where I want to go but I’m keeping that to myself,” he said. “You will know when it is concluded. I have to make a good choice but in my head that has happened already. I have played [in England] for five years now, it’s my league. But there are other nice clubs. I follow Spanish and German football and I also have something for the Italian league.

“Wherever I go I want to win prizes,” he added. “During Leicester’s title ceremony I was standing just 10 metres from the trophy. I just stared at it for two minutes, forgetting to get on with the warm-up. I thought to myself, I want that.”

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/3086187.stm


I remember he was making a name for himself in France and at International level as a striker but we played him as winger. Similar hallmarks to Theo Walcott's development.

That was like you say because of Ljungberg's injury, and the point was that he angry because he was hardly playing full stop and frankly he wasn't deserving of a start.

Definitely played more as a striker than Walcott did...though yes granted less often than Welbeck

Was playing as a striker when he scored both times at Old Trafford.

Positionally very similar to Sado Mane

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Fair points. Lukaku is definitely heading somewhere going by this:

Back to Chelsea i'd imagine

[I am invisible]

Fair points. Lukaku is definitely heading somewhere going by this:

Oooooh, interesting! Likely enough it won't be to us, but it might be one of those moves that starts a domino effect of other moves?

[I am invisible]

Back to Chelsea i'd imagine

Or Manure? I'm sure he's said that he fancies another shot at working with Mouron, and the timing looks a little too coincidental...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Or Manure? I'm sure he's said that he fancies another shot at working with Mouron, and the timing looks a little too coincidental...

When Mourinho was Chelsea manager he was sent on loan to and then eventually sold to Everton

[I am invisible]

When Mourinho was Chelsea manager he was sent on loan to and then eventually sold to Everton

I wouldn't rule it out - he does love a battering ram of a striker, and there's a shortage of strikers of any kind around at the moment...

[Power n Glory]

That was like you say because of Ljungberg's injury, and the point was that he angry because he was hardly playing full stop and frankly he wasn't deserving of a start.

Definitely played more as a striker than Walcott did...though yes granted less often than Welbeck

Was playing as a striker when he scored both times at Old Trafford.

Positionally very similar to Sado Mane

He specifically mentioned being played out of position. Is there a need to debate this? At Old Trafford, Henry wasn't playing.


"I made my name as a striker with Rennes and Bordeaux and over six years with the two clubs I was used to being a first-choice in that position," Wiltord was reported as saying.

"Here I have not played as regularly and when I have played up front it's been when Thierry Henry has been injured."

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

My point is that yes he was played as a winger, but there were times and not once in a blue moon where he played as a second striker behind Thierry Henry

And that Ljungberg's injury caused him to play in a winger position more often than he might otherwise have done.

But yes we know Wenger's disregard for players preferred positions...that's why Cazorla played on the wing far more often than he should, even played Ozil on the wing.....only in the last season or so has actually started playing more traditional wide players.

Ferguson said of Wenger in his autobiography that he too often bought too many similar type of players, small central midfielders who were good on the ball.

[Power n Glory]

My point is that yes he was played as a winger, but there were times and not once in a blue moon where he played as a second striker behind Thierry Henry

According to Wiltord, that wasn't the case. I don't recall that being the case either. I don't remember Henry or Bergkamp getting injured often enough for him to get a consistent run of games as striker. Odd away CL games maybe because Bergkamp's fear of flying.

But to put thing into context, Wiltord got 49 goals in 173 games for us, you say. How many of those games did he play as striker and how many of those goals did he score as striker?

You really can't compare him to Giroud. It's unfair because he was never our lead striker.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

To be fair, i wasn't trying to compare Wiltord unfavourably with Giroud, i'm just saying he wasn't loads better the difference was as I did state to begin with that he wasn't our lead striker, and that if Giroud was a squad player instead of our lead striker which he shouldn't be than i don't think our view of him would be as unfavourable as it is.

Giroud isn't terrible by any means, his goals stats don't tell that story....but of course he doesn't have the stats that should make him play week in, week out

Wiltord was a good squad player and that's what Giroud should be....that's all i'm saying.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well that, and that if by some miracle we sign a top striker capable of 20-25 goals in the league, and 30+ overall a season....than having Giroud as a backup option would be pretty good. Especially as he is fairly good at coming off the bench and getting a goal to kill off games.

[Globalgunner]

Giroud is crap, gets booed regularly in French colours. Wiltord is remembered as a national hero. i think the French know their players about as well as we do. There is really no comparing the two. I am pretty sure if Benzema was available, there would be no place in the current squad for Giroud. and yes , He is terrible, Hattrick against Villa notwithstanding.
Edit. Just checked. There is Gignac in the squad so maybe he may have made the cut.

[Power n Glory]

To be fair, i wasn't trying to compare Wiltord unfavourably with Giroud, i'm just saying he wasn't loads better the difference was as I did state to begin with that he wasn't our lead striker, and that if Giroud was a squad player instead of our lead striker which he shouldn't be than i don't think our view of him would be as unfavourable as it is.

Giroud isn't terrible by any means, his goals stats don't tell that story....but of course he doesn't have the stats that should make him play week in, week out

Wiltord was a good squad player and that's what Giroud should be....that's all i'm saying.

I can agree with some of that. Giroud isn’t terrible. He just doesn’t fit in to play a lead role and lacks confidence. As seen with his hat trick, all his goals came from crosses. When he was scoring on a regular, the bulk of his goals came from crosses as well. The eye of the needle through the middle stuff we try to play often results in us playing around our opponents box and nothing much else.

Wiltord was a good squad player. Frustrating at times but I think that’s also down to being played out of position. He’d have probably continued his career as striker if he hadn’t have chosen Arsenal. Saying that, he has more of the qualities we need today in the striker position. Far from World Class but he has the skillset we need compared to someone like Giroud.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wiltord a national hero?.....I think you are overselling that a bit there....he scored the equaliser for France in Euro 2000 final that was the pinnacle of his international career.


Like i say Giroud has scored 82 in 188, not the stats you want from your leading striker but clearly not terrible and clearly good enough to merit a place in the squad...not the starting 11 but the squad.

Giroud has more headed goals in the league than any other player in the premier league in the last four seasons

We very rarely score headed goals so I'd argue that's a good resource for us, but again not to be starting.

And i think your argument is more an example of how people can't look at things in a measured way, everything is black and white. Most likely next season Giroud will have 100 goals for the club, which isn't a feat achieved by terrible players....he joins the list of Henry, Bergkamp, Wright and Van Persie....is he anywhere near as good as these?...no of course not....but i think it makes a mockery of calling him terrible.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I can agree with some of that. Giroud isn’t terrible. He just doesn’t fit in to play a lead role and lacks confidence. As seen with his hat trick, all his goals came from crosses. When he was scoring on a regular, the bulk of his goals came from crosses as well. The eye of the needle through the middle stuff we try to play often results in us playing around our opponents box and nothing much else.

Wiltord was a good squad player. Frustrating at times but I think that’s also down to being played out of position. He’d have probably continued his career as striker if he hadn’t have chosen Arsenal. Saying that, he has more of the qualities we need today in the striker position. Far from World Class but he has the skillset we need compared to someone like Giroud.

Oh Wiltord was quicker and had far more technical ability than Giroud of course

[Globalgunner]

Wiltord a national hero?.....I think you are overselling that a bit there....he scored the equaliser for France in Euro 2000 final that was the pinnacle of his international career.


Like i say Giroud has scored 82 in 188, not the stats you want from your leading striker but clearly not terrible and clearly good enough to merit a place in the squad...not the starting 11 but the squad.

Giroud has more headed goals in the league than any other player in the premier league in the last four seasons

We very rarely score headed goals so I'd argue that's a good resource for us, but again not to be starting.

And i think your argument is more an example of how people can't look at things in a measured way, everything is black and white. Most likely next season Giroud will have 100 goals for the club, which isn't a feat achieved by terrible players....he joins the list of Henry, Bergkamp, Wright and Van Persie....is he anywhere near as good as these?...no of course not....but i think it makes a mockery of calling him terrible.

If Trezegeut is a hero, and Pires is why not Wiltord. Fact is the whole of that squad that won Euro 2000 are heros in France. In England people that have won didly squat are national heroes like Rooney!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Again is Rooney a national hero?

Is he mentioned in the pantheon of Churchill, Nelson etc

How often is Martin Peters mentioned as an England legend?


If you asked the French who their best ever players were i doubt Trezeguet, Pires or Wiltord get much of a mention

Certainly not mentioned in the same breath as Zidane, Platini, Deschamps, Just Fontaine etc

[Kano]

Giroud is crap, gets booed regularly in French colours. Wiltord is remembered as a national hero. i think the French know their players about as well as we do. There is really no comparing the two. I am pretty sure if Benzema was available, there would be no place in the current squad for Giroud. and yes , He is terrible, Hattrick against Villa notwithstanding.
Edit. Just checked. There is Gignac in the squad so maybe he may have made the cut.
Giroud was playing in the last WC in the same team as Benzema at times. And the Euro's before that, I think.

And he's not terrible. He's just more of a squad striker for a club like Arsenal who are supposed to be after the best.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Giroud was playing in the last WC in the same team as Benzema at times. And the Euro's before that, I think.

And he's not terrible. He's just more of a squad striker for a club like Arsenal who are supposed to be after the best.

Precisely, that's the sensible conclusion to come to

[KSE Comedy Club]

Rooney is only mentioned as a hero in the pantheon of the daily shit rags and sky sports :good:

[Power n Glory]

Difficult to judge how the French regard their player since we're not there to see or here. I think the World Cup 98 and EURO 2000 teams should be held in high regard.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Wiltord got 49 goals in 173 games for us

Giroud has scored 82 in 188

If Giroud has scored in less crucial games internationally (i only remember Wiltord scoring the one goal in euro 2000 that counted as crucial) it's because France has diminished as a quality team compared to what it was, rather like Arsenal in that respect.

lol Wiltord.

Tbf to those Wiltord stats, often his appearances would be as a sub and with us having Pires, Freddie, Henry etc we weren't as reliant on him for the build up play or the finishing as we are now with Giroud where now nearly everything has to go through him (which explains why our build up play is so slow and laborious). Mind you, I think all things considered they were about similar quality - Wiltord did certainly have his flaws like Giroud does.

I do remember him getting angry with Wenger about starting out wide which I always thought was ridiculous as did he really expect to start ahead of Henry who was literally the best play in the world at that point? :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Absolutely

I honestly wished he'd played more in the unbeaten season but then you have to say was Wenger wrong not to play him?......i know the official line was that he was injured but that was more than likely nonsense.

[I am invisible]

Giroud was playing in the last WC in the same team as Benzema at times. And the Euro's before that, I think.

And he's not terrible. He's just more of a squad striker for a club like Arsenal who are supposed to be after the best.

:good:

In a weird way, I think his robustness and fitness actually count against him in this team of weaklings? While everyone else is having their usual 3 or 4 months off injured from November onwards, Giroud is usually still there, soldiering on through Christmas, New Year and the winter weather, with fewer and fewer first-choice team mates around him, and more and more squad players and reserves providing support - is it really that surprising that he starts to look seriously jaded and uninspired after a while? Sure, he has limitations as a players, but everyone needs a break every now and then, and other players to share the load with.

As you say, in an ideal world, the guy is a squad striker for us, so I don't really blame him because we end up having to use him far, far, far more often than we should. I'd prefer someone else up top, as I'm sure everyone would, but I'll say this for him: he does at least contribute something respectable over the course of a season., which is more than I can say for a lot of the coasters we have on the books. Honestly, the return of goals from everyone other than Giroud and Sanchez has been absolutely pathetic this season!

[Kano]

Gotze off the market by the looks of it:


“I look forward to the new season in Munich and will do everything possible to be in top shape for my first training session under Carlo Ancelotti,” he said.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

We're so delighted about Granit Xhaka we're debating Giroud vs Wiltord for pages on end!

[Kano]

We're so delighted about Granit Xhaka we're debating Giroud vs Wiltord for pages on end!

This is the Internet, where someone always has to be wrong.

[GP]

This is the Internet, where someone always has to be wrong.

Not me, though.

Never me.

[Power n Glory]

Indeed. The internet invented debates and it's the only place people have ever been able to go back and forth expressing an opinion. :doh:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

indeed I think anyone who has discussed anything with me, can tell you Godwin's law exists outside the Internet

It's not even accusing other people of nazism, it just appears that I have an inate morbid fascination with the holocaust and eugenics.

Speaking to lovely polish woman in my office today for a bit she's telling me all the places she's taken her husband to in Poland, and I can't resist it I had to ask her if she'd ever been with him to Auschwitz.

[Kano]

Not me, though.

Never me.

When you're always wrong, it doesn't really matter too much.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

We signed Eduardo when Liverpool signed Torres. In addition, we had RVP and Adebayor at the time as the strikers ahead of Bendtner.

It seems that people are just making events up to back their viewpoints.

Wenger has made some daft decisions but wow is the revisionism strong on here.

I am pretty sure Wenger said he did not go in for Torres as he had Bendtner!!! Fabregas was screaming for Torres, we were as fans too. Would have been a perfect fit. However, if Wenger somehow persuades Morata to join and Ozil stays fit, it would go some way to redeeming his crapness of late. However, I am sure Maureen will gazump him wherever he can just for the hell of it, like he did with that Essien chap. Wenger should be doing everything possible to sign Morata asap.

[AFC Leveller]

for those who says we only have 54mill to spend

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjOmCyYWEAA1Dj2.jpg

[Kano]

Who said we had 54m? Probably just under double that would be available to spend, 80-90m. But we won't get near that mark in one window.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Who said we had 54m? Probably just under double that would be available to spend, 80-90m. But we won't get near that mark in one window.

Don't see why not, we pretty much did so two years ago 35 million on Sanchez, 16 million each on Chambers and Welbeck, 12 million for debuchy and 3million for the Colombian Short order chef. That's 82 million spent.

[AFC Leveller]

Who said we had 54m? Probably just under double that would be available to spend, 80-90m. But we won't get near that mark in one window.

there were reports a few weeks ago that we only 54m to spend, i didnt think they were accurate at the time.

[fakeyank]

We always have 70m 'warchest'

[Marc Overmars]

I think we will probably spend a fair whack, given only Cech and Elmo have been signed in the previous 2 windows for modest sums. Everyone knows we are sitting on a serious pile of cash and I think the club know the fans would simply not accept another window passing us by.

The main question as ever though is not necessarily how much we'll spend, but more will we be left short come August because the manager has failed to identity vulnerable areas in the squad? Could he leave things to chance again and see the squad decimated in the winter through injury?

[Kano]

Don't see why not, we pretty much did so two years ago 35 million on Sanchez, 16 million each on Chambers and Welbeck, 12 million for debuchy and 3million for the Colombian Short order chef. That's 82 million spent.
From not buying any outfield player last season, to spending that much says that Wenger got it massively wrong. Just for that reason alone I can't see him doing it.

[Letters]

there were reports a few weeks ago that we only 54m to spend, i didnt think they were accurate at the time.

I'm sure we do have more than £54m to spend but I'm not sure what the table above demonstrates. It shows how much income we have from a certain source but that income wouldn't entirely go into the transfer pot, would it?

[Kano]

there were reports a few weeks ago that we only 54m to spend, i didnt think they were accurate at the time.

I think that was just one accountancy firm trying to drum up some attention for themselves by the looks of it. What we get in terms of revenue doesn't equal what we can spend though. I think it's estimated we have around 200m in cash reserves, before normal expenditure. No business would blow all their cash reserves anyway, so a little under 100m is probably about right in terms of what the club could access if they wanted to.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

From not buying any outfield player last season, to spending that much says that Wenger got it massively wrong. Just for that reason alone I can't see him doing it.

The previous season he hadn't brought in anyone during the summer other than Flamini on a free before Ozil just before the window closed, and then Brokenback in January.

And he bought all these players after winning the fa cup

[I am invisible]

for those who says we only have 54mill to spend

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjOmCyYWEAA1Dj2.jpg

And that counts as a trophy, right?

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I'd be happy if we only made 1 additional signing if it were Higuain.

[I am invisible]

Well, Morata looks the most likely target at this point, so I'd start trying to work out how you see him fitting in.

Slightly complicated ownership situation between Real and Juventus, but in an odd way that might actually make it easier for us to get the deal done? Would be expensive, for sure, but we'd effectively be negotiating with a club (Real) who don't actually want him, and are just looking for a bit of quick profit, rather than than the club that he currently plays for, and who regard him as an important member of their squad (Juve)?

[Niall_Quinn]

Wonder if Marketing would be stupid enough to take Walnut from us as part of a deal for Morata? We did it to Barca with Tommy and Song, let's stitch Marketing up too.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I was about to say don't be silly, Madrid wouldn't be that stupid but then there is precedent with Woodgate and Owen of buying overrated english toot

I'd rather it be part of a swap deal for James Rodriguez personally

[I am invisible]

Wonder if Marketing would be stupid enough to take Walnut from us as part of a deal for Morata? We did it to Barca with Tommy and Song, let's stitch Marketing up too.

Or just send him over there like a complimentary basket of muffins?

[Bumble]

Well we might as well close this thread now as our summer work is complete.

[I am invisible]

Don't you dare! This is the best part of any season: those precious couple of months, where we can at least pretend that we're going sign loads of players and be awesome, before stinking reality kicks in again...

[GP]

Or just send him over there like a complimentary basket of muffins?

Mmm, walnut muffins...

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Well, Morata looks the most likely target at this point, so I'd start trying to work out how you see him fitting in.

Slightly complicated ownership situation between Real and Juventus, but in an odd way that might actually make it easier for us to get the deal done? Would be expensive, for sure, but we'd effectively be negotiating with a club (Real) who don't actually want him, and are just looking for a bit of quick profit, rather than than the club that he currently plays for, and who regard him as an important member of their squad (Juve)?

At the touted figures, I'd say he is no more likely than anybody else.

I fancy us for the Dutch kid at the moment.....plus, the Dutch talent pool seems to have slowed up a little. Must be a few gems hiding away......

[I am invisible]

At the touted figures, I'd say he is no more likely than anybody else.

I fancy us for the Dutch kid at the moment.....plus, the Dutch talent pool seems to have slowed up a little. Must be a few gems hiding away......

I'm not against it, but if we opt for the relative unknown up front, then I'd feel a lot better if it were supplemented with another goal-scoring wide forward.

When I say Morata looks the most likely, I mean there's so much smoke around that one now (and has been for a while), that I'd be surprised if there wasn't something to it...

[selassie]

Well we might as well close this thread now as our summer work is complete.

:lol:

[selassie]

Well, Morata looks the most likely target at this point, so I'd start trying to work out how you see him fitting in.

Slightly complicated ownership situation between Real and Juventus, but in an odd way that might actually make it easier for us to get the deal done? Would be expensive, for sure, but we'd effectively be negotiating with a club (Real) who don't actually want him, and are just looking for a bit of quick profit, rather than than the club that he currently plays for, and who regard him as an important member of their squad (Juve)?

Seems quite a few clubs are in for Morata, the numbers being mentioned for him are ridiculous, 50million for him is totally insane. He's a good player, not the finished article but there is a lot to work with as he's very talented. I'm not impressed by his goal return though, he's not prolific at all.

I think we'll shop elsewhere, I'm not convinced Wenger will properly address the Centre forward position, I'm kind of expecting another project/rotation type player as we've already spent fairly big (for Arsene/Arsenal) on Xhaka.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm not one to really get bogged down with transfer fees but I do baulk a bit at the thought of spending 50m or whatever on Morata. He's come up with a couple of memorable goals but he's not proven to be very prolific at all, which is disappointing considering how dominant Juve are. He's still young and I'm sure there's plenty of potential, but surely we can find ourselves a better striker if we're prepared to spend that much? Because if we do spend that much, we can be sure that's our lot.

[GP]

50m Euros, of course. Still a lot.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Count me as someone not on the Morata train either. We need someone prolific who can put away the numerous chances we create every game even if at the expense of not contributing as much to the build up play; we've got enough playmakers and creative forwards as it is.

[selassie]

I'm not one to really get bogged down with transfer fees but I do baulk a bit at the thought of spending 50m or whatever on Morata. He's come up with a couple of memorable goals but he's not proven to be very prolific at all, which is disappointing considering how dominant Juve are. He's still young and I'm sure there's plenty of potential, but surely we can find ourselves a better striker if we're prepared to spend that much? Because if we do spend that much, we can be sure that's our lot.

Yep totally agree. If Wenger is in the market for a proper striker then he has to get it right. I'm not against us signing Morata, I like him...but for the numbers being discussed he's going to have to deliver straight away and be an instant upgrade on Giroud numbers wise. For 50milllion Euros I think we can get a Benzema assuming Real ditch him. He's someone who would instantly deliver IMO.

Obviously it's not my money so I have no issues with what we pay for anybody but I don't want us blowing our budget on "maybe" type players if it doesn't improve our team or allow us to strengthen elsewhere.

[I am invisible]

Seems quite a few clubs are in for Morata, the numbers being mentioned for him are ridiculous, 50million for him is totally insane. He's a good player, not the finished article but there is a lot to work with as he's very talented. I'm not impressed by his goal return though, he's not prolific at all.

I think we'll shop elsewhere, I'm not convinced Wenger will properly address the Centre forward position, I'm kind of expecting another project/rotation type player as we've already spent fairly big (for Arsene/Arsenal) on Xhaka.

His goal return is actually better when you look at minutes played instead of number of games featured in - I get the feeling Juventus have been a little reluctant to make him an integral member of the side while this buyback clause is still in play. He seems to play second fiddle to Dybala and Mandzulic, and is often used in more of a supporting role, either behind the main striker or on the wing?

That being said, I'm not sure I see a 50-60m player there - sounds like a massive premium being paid for his age and potential (and Madrid recouping their buyback fee on top of a healthy profit).

I don't know... I think I'm starting to like the look / sound of him, after being a little bit "meh" to begin with? Reminds me a little bit of van Prick in terms of stature and all-round playing style. But man... 50m clams! (Or more!) The club and the manager had better know what they're doing for that kind of money!

[Munchies]

Said in the other thread, we should go after Jamie Vardy

£20m release clause

3 seasons at the top still in him

Pace, finishing, proper cunt and does everything to win.

[GP]

Nope

[mastermind84]

Koulibaly, ummm YASSS

[Gooner23]

Never heard of him, don't follow Italian footy at all. Any good? I do hope a cb is on our shopping list though, only Kos walks into the team currently. Per and Gabriel should only be squad players, Chambers needs a season out on loan.

[Munchies]

Koulibaly, ummm YASSS

6ft4, strong and fast

Let's do it

[mastermind84]

Never heard of him, don't follow Italian footy at all. Any good? I do hope a cb is on our shopping list though, only Kos walks into the team currently. Per and Gabriel should only be squad players, Chambers needs a season out on loan.

he and Manolas are the best CBs on the market.

Manolas is apparently going to United


Per is gone, imo.

[fakeyank]

Lukaku please. The only realistic striker we should be after.

[Niall_Quinn]

Lukaku please. The only realistic striker we should be after.

They want £50mill for a very average joe who isn't worth half that much. Morata is way overpriced too, I'd even back Wenger if he baulked at the price tag on either of these. There must be plenty of genuine top quality strikers out there if we are hunting in the £50mill bracket. Question though, are we? We're all throwing £50mill names around, whether they are worth it or not, but Wenger probably has a very different idea on what he wants to spend.

[Gooner23]

he and Manolas are the best CBs on the market.

Manolas is apparently going to United


Per is gone, imo.

I'd like Per to stay for another season at least, brings good experience and still our next best centre back alongside Kos. Gabriel still has a lot of mistakes in him and yet to prove he's the long term answer.

[Gooner23]

They want £50mill for a very average joe who isn't worth half that much. Morata is way overpriced too, I'd even back Wenger if he baulked at the price tag on either of these. There must be plenty of genuine top quality strikers out there if we are hunting in the £50mill bracket. Question though, are we? We're all throwing £50mill names around, whether they are worth it or not, but Wenger probably has a very different idea on what he wants to spend.

Would 50 mil cash not tempt Dortmund on Aubameyang? He'd be my first choice, looks the bollox. Closest I've seen to the next Henry. I know the rumours are that Real are after him so its probably a pipe dream.

[Niall_Quinn]

Said in the other thread, we should go after Jamie Vardy

£20m release clause

3 seasons at the top still in him

Pace, finishing, proper cunt and does everything to win.

Certainly we should. If you go on what you see with your eyes rather than the media hype then Vardy is twice as good as most of these £50mill strikers being touted around the place. We're not trying to add the finishing pieces to a team, we're trying to build one from the wreckage of Wenger's failed experiments - at least I hope that's what we're fucking doing. So good, reliable, effective players would be a good base to build on. Would be better if Wenger was gone and a proper manager brought in, but as that's not happening we need players that can hit the ground running and work off their own initiative whilst being able to absorb Wenger's interference without it destroying them. Vardy would fit that bill nicely and we'd be assured 20-30 goals. But the hype machine means he wouldn't be a big enough name.

Of course we're all talking as if Wenger will sign anyone. Much more chance of us hanging here approaching deadline day with fuck all happening and by that stage we'd all be happy if Emile Heskey was on the radar. Happened before and just as you tell yourself Wenger would never have the balls to do it again he goes and does it again.

[Niall_Quinn]

Would 50 mil cash not tempt Dortmund on Aubameyang? He'd be my first choice, looks the bollox. Closest I've seen to the next Henry. I know the rumours are that Real are after him so its probably a pipe dream.

£70mill was the last stupidity I heard, when Utd were sniffing around.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Koulibaly and Kosicienly .............. it's going to be a commentators worst nightmare.



Would 50 mil cash not tempt Dortmund on Aubameyang? He'd be my first choice, looks the bollox. Closest I've seen to the next Henry. I know the rumours are that Real are after him so its probably a pipe dream.

He'd be my first choice but I'm not sure he'd really want to come here even if Dortmund accepted our offer. We're not that much of a step up from Dortmund these days.

I'd much rather go all in for Lukaku and hope that Wenger can do an Adebayor on him with regards to his finishing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Never heard of him, don't follow Italian footy at all. Any good? I do hope a cb is on our shopping list though, only Kos walks into the team currently. Per and Gabriel should only be squad players, Chambers needs a season out on loan.

Chalmers if off to Neverton on loan, so go the rumours.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Chalmers if off to Neverton on loan, so go the rumours.

Could be a sweetner in the Lukaku deal. :arry:

[Gooner23]

Makes sense, he's not getting regular footy but probably too young still to give up on.

[Gooner23]

Koulibaly and Kosicienly .............. it's going to be a commentators worst nightmare.




He'd be my first choice but I'm not sure he'd really want to come here even if Dortmund accepted our offer. We're not that much of a step up from Dortmund these days.

I'd much rather go all in for Lukaku and hope that Wenger can do an Adebayor on him with regards to his finishing.

Aubameyang has pace, finishing and technique. I agree it's unlikely though.

Lukaku lacks the technique and his finishing is a bit iffy at times but hopefully still younger enough to improve. I think I'd take him over Morata as he has the prem experience and I'd like someone with pace after the Giroud years!

[fakeyank]

They want £50mill for a very average joe who isn't worth half that much. Morata is way overpriced too, I'd even back Wenger if he baulked at the price tag on either of these. There must be plenty of genuine top quality strikers out there if we are hunting in the £50mill bracket. Question though, are we? We're all throwing £50mill names around, whether they are worth it or not, but Wenger probably has a very different idea on what he wants to spend.

I rate Lukaku. He is young, strong, can play with both feet and can hold the ball up. Given the chance, I think he can be one of the best strikers in the PL in the coming seasons. I just dont see any other targets being realistic. Aubamayeng, Griezman, Benzema (who I dont rate), Aguero, Suarez are all outside a realistic possibility for us. Lukaku has done a very good job in an average team and I think he would be a good buy in 35-40 million range.

Frankly, I wouldnt begrudge Wenger if he went for a relatively unknown striker from South America or Africa. Good strikers are very hard to find and I wouldnt mind getting an 'exciting nobody'. What I know for sure is that Giroud cannot be the number 1 striker at Arsenal. That just shows you have no ambition in wanting to win the league.

[Özim]

I'm not one to really get bogged down with transfer fees but I do baulk a bit at the thought of spending 50m or whatever on Morata. He's come up with a couple of memorable goals but he's not proven to be very prolific at all, which is disappointing considering how dominant Juve are. He's still young and I'm sure there's plenty of potential, but surely we can find ourselves a better striker if we're prepared to spend that much? Because if we do spend that much, we can be sure that's our lot.

I think Morata is very overrated, he's not the type of player we need, we need someone ready to deliver goals not some overhyped, overpriced wannabe who hasn't really impressed that much.

Waste of money IMO.

[Özim]

They want £50mill for a very average joe who isn't worth half that much. Morata is way overpriced too, I'd even back Wenger if he baulked at the price tag on either of these. There must be plenty of genuine top quality strikers out there if we are hunting in the £50mill bracket. Question though, are we? We're all throwing £50mill names around, whether they are worth it or not, but Wenger probably has a very different idea on what he wants to spend.

Agree, we need to do better than those players, one is a clumsy oaf, the other straight from the Madrid hype machine, was touted as the next big thing yet they shipped him out because he wasn't delivering, hardly pulling any trees out at Juve either, a bit like Walcott there's this illusion he's something special.

[Gooner23]

Agree, we need to do better than those players, one is a clumsy oaf, the other straight from the Madrid hype machine, was touted as the next big thing yet they shipped him out because he wasn't delivering, hardly pulling any trees out at Juve either, a bit like Walcott there's this illusion he's something special.

I don't think there's been any illusion about Walcott for some time now!

[Özim]

I don't think there's been any illusion about Walcott for some time now!

He's had 10 good years thanks to the illusion, not a bad career and payday all built on smoke and mirrors

[selassie]

His goal is actually better when you look at minutes played instead of number of games featured in - I get the feeling Juventus have been a little reluctant to make him an integral member of the side while this buyback clause is still in play. He seems to play second fiddle to Dybala and Mandzulic, and is often used in more of a supporting role, either behind the main striker or on the wing?

That being said, I'm not sure I see a 50-60m player there - sounds like a massive premium being paid for his age and potential (and Madrid recouping their buyback fee on top of a healthy profit).

I don't know... I think I'm starting to like the look / sound of him, after being a little bit "meh" to begin with? Reminds me a little bit of van Prick in terms of stature and all-round playing style. But man... 50m clams! (Or more!) The club and the manager had better know what they're doing for that kind of money!

Yeah, I find it strange he's not ahead of Mandzukic, I'll be honest i've not seen loads of Morata recently, only in CL and he's been very good in that to be fair, not so much this season, the season before he was excellent for Juve when they reached the final, he destroyed a lot of decent teams in the knockout games.

I rate him and think he has the potential to be top class but I'm not sure if we should take a risk on him.

If he has a decent Euros for Spain (he starts for them) I think the decision will be taken out of our hands, he'll either go for big money elsewhere or go back to Real and stay there.

[selassie]

he and Manolas are the best CBs on the market.

Manolas is apparently going to United


Per is gone, imo.

Yeah both of them look very good. I'd be happy with either of them, Manolas is the more composed out of the two, he's developing into a world class CB IMO, we screwed up not buying him first time round when he went to Roma for peanuts a couple of years ago, think he'll go elsewhere for big money now.

I like Koulibaly too, he's strong and very quick, a bit rash at times though.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Morata is average at best. We need a top striker or as close to one as possible and he isn't the player we should be going for.

We can only hope that this is just press horseshit but knowing Wenger - it's on.

[I am invisible]

Yeah, I find it strange he's not ahead of Mandzukic, I'll be honest i've not seen loads of Morata recently, only in CL and he's been very good in that to be fair, not so much this season, the season before he was excellent for Juve when they reached the final, he destroyed a lot of decent teams in the knockout games.

I rate him and think he has the potential to be top class but I'm not sure if we should take a risk on him.

If he has a decent Euros for Spain (he starts for them) I think the decision will be taken out of our hands, he'll either go for big money elsewhere or go back to Real and stay there.

No, me either - in fact I've not really seen much of him at all beyond a few clips. I guess one of my issues with him is his playing style doesn't come across as looking that explosive or exciting, but that doesn't mean it isn't functional and effective? Enough sports writers and people who have worked with him seem to be suggesting that there's something special there, and there's certainly a crazy amount of (reported) interest in him! I'd prefer other options (especially at that kind of money), but I'm not going to write him off either...

[I am invisible]

Where's all this talk of a £20m release clause for Vardy suddenly come from? That's got to be a no-brainer if it's genuine, hasn't it?

[GP]

If it were true he'd be gone already

[Kano]

Where's all this talk of a £20m release clause for Vardy suddenly come from? That's got to be a no-brainer if it's genuine, hasn't it?

Given how Wenger sets the team up, he wouldn't fit.

Plus he's a disgusting racist prick and only had one good season. It's happened too late in his career to spend that sort of money on. He'll be 30 by the middle of next season.

[Niall_Quinn]

If it were true he'd be gone already

That's what I thought. He seems fairly settled anyway. His main job next season will be avoiding all the bullshit hype that's building up around him. Proper PL striker though, the real deal. Unlike some of the high ticket pretenders that are prancing around the pitch.

[I am invisible]

Given how Wenger sets the team up, he wouldn't fit.

Plus he's a disgusting racist prick and only had one good season. It's happened too late in his career to spend that sort of money on. He'll be 30 by the middle of next season.

Is he? I've not heard anything about that either?! For someone who literally spends all day monitoring newsnow, I'm amazingly out of the loop!

[Penguin]

As good as he's been, there's a huge risk that Vardy will turn out to be a one season wonder. We wont get much mileage out of his either considering his age and his reliance on pace, so he wouldn't be my first choice.

That said... beggars can't be choosers.

[dostoy]

I like the sound of Koulibaly from Napoli, I have never seen him play but I have read a bit about him and we need a commanding CB.

If we get him and a top striker either Michy Batshuayi or Vincent Janssen or both and sell Walcott, then that will be a pretty good summer.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I'm not against it, but if we opt for the relative unknown up front, then I'd feel a lot better if it were supplemented with another goal-scoring wide forward.

When I say Morata looks the most likely, I mean there's so much smoke around that one now (and has been for a while), that I'd be surprised if there wasn't something to it...

When I said I fancied him....I more meant that the club is likelier to be enticed by such a deal. I'm pretty sure the interest in Morata is concrete, I'm just unsure of just how much Wenger rates him.

I think the predetermined idea that Aubameyang will go to Real is misplaced too. It has been fuelled by a very nonchalant comment about his Grandma wanting him to go to Real or whatever the story was. I think Marketing want something more Hollywood, though who knows whether they will find that.

I also don't see why we wouldn't be a step up from where he is and its not like his next contract would be his last either. Unless he is waiting for Bayern cherry pick him out of there to warm Lewandowski's seat, he shouldn't be desperate to stay.

[Kano]

Aubameyang did say last season that he wants to play in Spain once he leaves Dortmund, so it's unlikely he'll come to the Prem, let alone here.

Just remember how many Dortmund players have been linked to the Prem over the past five years and how many have actually arrived here. Like Atletico they're seen as a smaller club and their success just helps generate transfer headlines and fill space.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

He did but he won't wait for his day in the sun forever and there are a lot of prem clubs awash with money with new managers. I think he is just as likely to end up in the prem as he is Spain this summer.

Bayern have made them their feeder club, that is true too but they won't sign Aubameyang.

[Kano]

I would be surprised if he moved anywhere in the summer to be honest. Dortmund just lost a rock in defence and I can't see them wanting to replace 30+ goals in one window as well. Guess his name will be banded around until August and January, if he keeps it up.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I am inclined to agree.... he may well stay....although there is more money than there is top talent.

The Copa America and Euro's will stir things up and make things interesting though...

[Munchies]

We're being linked with Ricardo Rodriguez, a LB from Wolfsburg.

He has a £20m release clause which is active in June. 2 of Germany's biggest papers are mentioning it (BILD/Kicker)

He's only 23.

Is Wenger planning properly for the future in advance? :lol:

He's also Xhaka's best mate according to their instagram pages right now (Swiss team mates)

[Kano]

Lewandowski apparently wants to leave Bayern for Real.


“Contracts are not a holy relic in football. You can like this attitude or not but it’s the truth. Sometimes you have to think about if it is meaningful to try out a new impulse.”


At least he's honest. I guess?

[Static]

Whoops.

[KSE Comedy Club]

We have supposedly submitted a bid for Duvan Zapata - an even less than average striker than Morata.

The likelihood is its true :rolleyes:

http://www.90min.com/posts/3263693-udinese-confirm-offer-from-arsenal-for-striker-duvan-zapata

[Niall_Quinn]

We have supposedly submitted a bid for Duvan Zapata - an even less than average striker than Morata.

The likelihood is its true :rolleyes:

http://www.90min.com/posts/3263693-udinese-confirm-offer-from-arsenal-for-striker-duvan-zapata

No barrel bottom can remain hidden from Wenger for long. He'll find it. He'll scrape it.

[Static]

We need the other Zapata.

[Munchies]

We have supposedly submitted a bid for Duvan Zapata - an even less than average striker than Morata.

The likelihood is its true :rolleyes:

http://www.90min.com/posts/3263693-udinese-confirm-offer-from-arsenal-for-striker-duvan-zapata

Him > Giroud

[Özim]

We have supposedly submitted a bid for Duvan Zapata - an even less than average striker than Morata.

The likelihood is its true :rolleyes:

http://www.90min.com/posts/3263693-udinese-confirm-offer-from-arsenal-for-striker-duvan-zapata

Oh dear, hopefully this is nonsense, this does seem like a typical Wenger signing, he likes 2nd rate strikers.

Morata and this guy, is that really the best we can do, when are we going to be interested in forwards who can actually score goals, Wenger always seems to go for players with an average goal record rather than being smart and going for someone who has proved he can hit the back of the net at least.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Yeah fu&k that.........stop fannying around with people we have hardly heard of (well at least I haven't!) and get Morata......pay what it takes and beat the others too him because they will undoubtedly outbid us.......show him we want him more than everyone as these so called 'Wenger calls' do and get the deal done. Unfortunately as always we can only dance to the 'football agent's' tune which ultimately means playing teams off each other........bottom line football these days is a dirty business

[Power n Glory]

We need this Vincent Janseen guy. Good goal record last season and the type of goals he's scoring look clinical and from half chances. Difficult angles and with defenders all around sitting deep.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What about finally signing Juan Mata?. Clearly not going to stay at United

[Gooner23]

Just watched a couple of youtube compilations of Morata as really haven't seen him play all that much. I know its only youtube, but he's definitely quicker and more direct than I was expecting, I don't think he would just be another Giroud. However from the clips his finishing looks very sketchy, more of a Welbeck type. The mooted fee is a hell of gamble, I really hope they have done their homework if he is indeed our primary target. We need someone with the potential to bang in 30 goals, and get them in crucial games when it really matters.

[Power n Glory]

Just watched a couple of youtube compilations of Morata as really haven't seen him play all that much. I know its only youtube, but he's definitely quicker and more direct than I was expecting, I don't think he would just be another Giroud. However from the clips his finishing looks very sketchy, more of a Welbeck type. The mooted fee is a hell of gamble, I really hope they have done their homework if he is indeed our primary target. We need someone with the potential to bang in 30 goals, and get them in crucial games when it really matters.

Check out that Dutch kid. Vincent Janssen. He looks like he can finish and we won't get raped on the price. 32 goals last season.

[I am invisible]

Just watched a couple of youtube compilations of Morata as really haven't seen him play all that much. I know its only youtube, but he's definitely quicker and more direct than I was expecting, I don't think he would just be another Giroud. However from the clips his finishing looks very sketchy, more of a Welbeck type. The mooted fee is a hell of gamble, I really hope they have done their homework if he is indeed our primary target. We need someone with the potential to bang in 30 goals, and get them in crucial games when it really matters.

Could be our new van Persie? Not saying he'd turn out to be as prolific (although it would be nice), but his build and all round game looks very similar. I like the look of him as a player... just not sure what to make of him as a goal-scorer yet? At first glance his return per game looks poor, but then when you switch it to minutes played instead his return / ratio suddenly doubles? Not that it puts his figures amongst the elite or anything, but I get the impression that he plays second fiddle to Dybala and Mandzukic for Juve, and is often used as a left winger or support striker when he does get a run out? Is that because he's not good enough to dislodge those two, or simply because Juve won't risk making more use of him while this buy back clause is in play? Who knows. I just think there's a little more to this story than a cursory glance against his goals scored column - 9 goals in 42 (Legaue and CL only) sounds pretty shit, but 9 goals in 2014 minutes (approx. 22 games), whilst mainly been used as a left winger or a sub? That sounds a bit more promising.


Check out that Dutch kid. Vincent Janssen. He looks like he can finish and we won't get raped on the price. 32 goals last season.

Could be our new Eduardo? Again, looks a similar in terms of build and style. Great return last year - sure, it was in a relatively weak league, but when you consider his age, the fact that he was making the step up form a lower division, and that it was achieved at a club that isn't Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord, then it starts to look a little more impressive. I'm liking his range of finishing, and also how quickly he gets his shots away - element of surprise is always worth a few goals.

Fuck it - I'd be tempted to put a bid in for this kid, even if we spend big on someone else! As you say, I can't imagine he'd cost much, so what have we got to lose? A P45 for Walcott - there's your extra vacancy right there. Then we can look at moving Giroud on next summer...

[Power n Glory]

Could be our new van Persie? Not saying he'd turn out to be as prolific (although it would be nice), but his build and all round game looks very similar. I like the look of him as a player... just not sure what to make of him as a goal-scorer yet? At first glance his return per game looks poor, but then when you switch it to minutes played instead his return / ratio suddenly doubles? Not that it puts his figures amongst the elite or anything, but I get the impression that he plays second fiddle to Dybala and Mandzukic for Juve, and is often used as a left winger or support striker when he does get a run out? Is that because he's not good enough to dislodge those two, or simply because Juve won't risk making more use of him while this buy back clause is in play? Who knows. I just think there's a little more to this story than a cursory glance against his goals scored column - 9 goals in 42 (Legaue and CL only) sounds pretty shit, but 9 goals in 2014 minutes (approx. 22 games), whilst mainly been used as a left winger or a sub? That sounds a bit more promising.



Could be our new Eduardo? Again, looks a similar in terms of build and style. Great return last year - sure, it was in a relatively weak league, but when you consider his age, the fact that he was making the step up form a lower division, and that it was achieved at a club that isn't Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord, then it starts to look a little more impressive. I'm liking his range of finishing, and also how quickly he gets his shots away - element of surprise is always worth a few goals.

Fuck it - I'd be tempted to put a bid in for this kid, even if we spend big on someone else! As you say, I can't imagine he'd cost much, so what have we got to lose? A P45 for Walcott - there's your extra vacancy right there. Then we can look at moving Giroud on next summer...


He looks like the sort of player that get a goal even in tight spaces. The ability to get shots away quickly is important for us. Has good technique, balance and not afraid to make something happen himself. I'd be happy with this purchase. Reminds me of RVN and RVP a little and not in a c*ntish way.

[mastermind84]

We're being linked with Ricardo Rodriguez, a LB from Wolfsburg.

He has a £20m release clause which is active in June. 2 of Germany's biggest papers are mentioning it (BILD/Kicker)

He's only 23.

Is Wenger planning properly for the future in advance? :lol:

He's also Xhaka's best mate according to their instagram pages right now (Swiss team mates)

he would start over Monreal

[I am invisible]

He looks like the sort of player that get a goal even in tight spaces. The ability to get shots away quickly is important for us. Has good technique, balance and not afraid to make something happen himself. I'd be happy with this purchase. Reminds me of RVN and RVP a little and not in a c*ntish way.

Yeah, balance was the other thing that stood out - looks like he sets himself up really well once he gets in the area.

As long as there's some kind of solid reasoning behind any interest we might show, and I'm left with the impression that we've scouted him thoroughly, then I'm really not fussed about his relatively low profile, or the fact that he's coming from the dutch league - everyone seems like a gamble these days, no matter what their experience, or how much you shell out...

[I am invisible]

he would start over Monreal

Wouldn't surprise me if we ended up using Monreal at CB more frequently if we go for a new starting LB - seems like a very short-term, Wengerish solution to the CB problem...

[mastermind84]

Wouldn't surprise me if we ended up using Monreal at CB more frequently if we go for a new starting LB - seems like a very short-term, Wengerish solution to the CB problem...

Rodriguez has played CB more and has the height for it.

We will probably rotate at LB instead of just Monreal like last season since GiIbbs was terrible.

I have confidence at CB is coming into the side though.

[fakeyank]

What about finally signing Juan Mata?. Clearly not going to stay at United

Dont need him. West Ham or Spurs can have him.

[mastermind84]

What about finally signing Juan Mata?. Clearly not going to stay at United

he is a wasteman

[AFC Leveller]

Mata is shit IMO. He is annoying to watch, very slow and doesn't take any risks for a play maker. I have watched him a few times this season and he plays it safe every time and doesnt influence games like Ozil.

No thanks.

[GP]

Was a top player before Chelsea ruined him.

[Kano]

he is a wasteman

Fam

[Marc Overmars]

Mata was good for his first 2 years here but he's never really reached that level since. As far as Spanish midgets go, he's a pubber.

[KSE Comedy Club]

We don't need anymore midfielders!!

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

We need this Vincent Janseen guy. Good goal record last season and the type of goals he's scoring look clinical and from half chances. Difficult angles and with defenders all around sitting deep.

Now we're talking! Especially the last part!

[Özim]

I'd prefer we took our chances on that Janssen guy, at least he's scoring a lot of goals so there's a chance he may turn out to be a very good goalscorer. Morata however, no thanks, too much money and I just think he's very overrated.

[Kano]

I'd prefer we took our chances on that Janssen guy, at least he's scoring a lot of goals so there's a chance he may turn out to be a very good goalscorer. Morata however, no thanks, too much money and I just think he's very overrated.

Depends on price. We've seen a number of Dutch strikers over the years that score a shedload in their league and flop terribly in the Prem. He's had one good season so far, so if it's a relatively cheap buy and bought in alongside a striker with a better rep, then sure, why not. We'd be taking a huge risk relying on this guy and Giroud as our main two.

[Kano]

Mkhitaryan likely to leave Dortmund. Think he plays best centrally and on the left wing. Could be an option for a wide player, depending on cost.

[I am invisible]

Mkhitaryan likely to leave Dortmund. Think he plays best centrally and on the left wing. Could be an option for a wide player, depending on cost.

:popcorn:

[Power n Glory]

Now we're talking! Especially the last part!

It's a key thing we need to find in our striker. Someone that can work in tight spaces and finish those half chances where a small window of opportunity opens up.

[Power n Glory]

I'd prefer we took our chances on that Janssen guy, at least he's scoring a lot of goals so there's a chance he may turn out to be a very good goalscorer. Morata however, no thanks, too much money and I just think he's very overrated.

I really don't know if Morata is that guy that will score a goal with defenders tight on him all game. We really need someone that can feed off scraps and make something out of nothing. Seen a lot of vids of strikers scoring from open opportunities and counters. We rarely craft those sort of chances for our guys.

[Marc Overmars]

Mkhitaryan likely to leave Dortmund. Think he plays best centrally and on the left wing. Could be an option for a wide player, depending on cost.

Get him and sell Walcott. Perfect.

[I am invisible]

Get him and sell Walcott. Perfect.

F--king A!

[Power n Glory]

Walcott is an absolute idiot if he doesn’t leave this season.

[Maestro]

Walcott is an absolute idiot if he doesn’t leave this season.

Wenger would be an absolute idiot if he doesn't get rid of Walcott this season

[Bumble]

Wenger would be an absolute idiot if he doesn't get rid of Walcott this season

Not every team can afford to waste £140k a week on salary though. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go out on loan (Spammers) and we cover some of his wages.

[Özim]

Depends on price. We've seen a number of Dutch strikers over the years that score a shedload in their league and flop terribly in the Prem. He's had one good season so far, so if it's a relatively cheap buy and bought in alongside a striker with a better rep, then sure, why not. We'd be taking a huge risk relying on this guy and Giroud as our main two.

We've also seen some dutch striker come here and score a load of goals, plus at the price he'd come at he's worth a punt IMO, better off signing someone who has a record of scoring goals over someone who doesn't like Morata.

Morata is also a huge risk, his finishing is wayward to say the least, we've seen enough of those to last us a lifetime, at least if you pick someone who is scoring goals you increase your chances of them scoring goals for you.

[Özim]

I really don't know if Morata is that guy that will score a goal with defenders tight on him all game. We really need someone that can feed off scraps and make something out of nothing. Seen a lot of vids of strikers scoring from open opportunities and counters. We rarely craft those sort of chances for our guys.

Very true and from what I've seen Morata isn't a great finisher either, but that might be perfect for Wenger he loves players who do everything but score.

[Özim]

Not every team can afford to waste £140k a week on salary though. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go out on loan (Spammers) and we cover some of his wages.

We were crazy to give him that kind of money, he's never proven himself at all yet he's made loads of money out of doing little.

[Kano]

We've also seen some dutch striker come here and score a load of goals, plus at the price he'd come at he's worth a punt IMO, better off signing someone who has a record of scoring goals over someone who doesn't like Morata.

Morata is also a huge risk, his finishing is wayward to say the least, we've seen enough of those to last us a lifetime, at least if you pick someone who is scoring goals you increase your chances of them scoring goals for you.

Morata I'm not impressed by and Janssen's one season doesn't bowl me over either. Only as a longterm project would I think it's a good idea.

[Maestro]

Take a bag of money £30m-£40m to South America, and I think you can come back with a beast of a young striker

[Özim]

Morata I'm not impressed by and Janssen's one season doesn't bowl me over either. Only as a longterm project would I think it's a good idea.

I agree Janssen is unproven, but in the end at least he's scored goals which is more than Morata has done in his career and he's played for the best teams on top of that so should have had plenty of chances.

I'm all for a top, proven goalscorer if we can get one, can't see it happening though and on that basis Janssen would be a better bet for me.

[Özim]

Take a bag of money £30m-£40m to South America, and I think you can come back with a beast of a young striker

We don't take bags of money with us, just a change tin so we can bid the extra £1 if required.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Take a bag of money £30m-£40m to South America, and I think you can come back with a beast of a young striker

Or a lot of cocaine

[Letters]

Yeah, Xhaka was free you know.

[Power n Glory]

We were crazy to give him that kind of money, he's never proven himself at all yet he's made loads of money out of doing little.

Theo is the prototype to our flawed economic system when it comes to youth players. We pay them way too much before they’ve even developed or established themselves as first team starters. Now we have a few players that are close to being on £100k per week but far from being first team regulars. Some aren’t bad squad players but if their contracts running low and they expect some form of pay rise, it places us on a position we really shouldn’t be in.

[Marc Overmars]

I'd take a punt on Janssen, can't say I know much about him but you can't ignore the numbers. Could be another Alfonso Alves or he could be an RVN. :shrug:

[Power n Glory]

I agree Janssen is unproven, but in the end at least he's scored goals which is more than Morata has done in his career and he's played for the best teams on top of that so should have had plenty of chances.

I'm all for a top, proven goalscorer if we can get one, can't see it happening though and on that basis Janssen would be a better bet for me.

I don’t think there are any established top goal scorers out there we have a chance of signing or are likely to move for.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Likely to make a move for unlikely, have a chance of signing.....i think we would have a chance if we were more ambitious

If we put in a 60million bid for Aubemeyang, what's the worst that could happen, for the board probably that we would end up signing him

[Kano]

I seriously doubt Dortmund are going to sell him to anyone this summer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe not, but like i say no harm in trying is there?

[Özim]

Yeah, Xhaka was free you know.

No but he was unknown, same difference.

[Maestro]

Or a lot of cocaine

yep, two suitcases of that white powder should get us Gabriel Barbosa, Gabriel Jesus or in fact both of them. I'd take either of these youngsters anyday over Morata or Janssen btw.

[Marc Overmars]

Maybe not, but like i say no harm in trying is there?

Easy for a club to think they have no intention of selling but the mindset completely changes if there's a fat pile of cash sitting on the table. Players won't fall into our laps, we need to do the groundwork and at least give the club reason to consider selling.

[Power n Glory]

yep, two suitcases of that white powder should get us Gabriel Barbosa, Gabriel Jesus or in fact both of them. I'd take either of these youngsters anyday over Morata or Janssen btw.

It's probably the work permit situation that stops us from going out there. We must be on some sort of probation or watch list after that Denilson stunt. :lol:

[Kano]

Easy for a club to think they have no intention of selling but the mindset completely changes if there's a fat pile of cash sitting on the table. Players won't fall into our laps, we need to do the groundwork and at least give the club reason to consider selling.

I think that makes a lot of sense. And if Hummels hadn't of been poached by Bayern that is the sort of approach that probably would work. How proactive Gazidis and Dick Law are is a different matter though.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I seriously doubt Dortmund are going to sell him to anyone this summer.

After Hummels departure and quite possibly Mkhitayran and Gundogen leaving this summer as well, I think Dortmund's board will do whatever it takes to keep Aubemyang even if it means stapling him to the ground. They've got no other choice to prevent a fan revolt.


And yeah I agree, I'd much rather take a punt on Janssen than Morata tbh. The three key things we need from a striker are goals, goals and goals!

[Kano]

Gündogan has officially joined City from Dortmund for about £20m.

Bilbao's Laporte is reportedly close too, at around £39m.

[Gooner23]

Isn't Gündogan another crock? I think I'm quite happy with Xhaka for around the same price.

[Özim]

Gündogan has officially joined City from Dortmund for about £20m.

Bilbao's Laporte is reportedly close too, at around £39m.

Didn't waste any time signing Gundogan, at £20m too it's a no brainer.

[Kano]

Isn't Gündogan another crock? I think I'm quite happy with Xhaka for around the same price.

Think he had a bad season with a few years back but he's regularly lining up to start their games I think. But yes, hopefully Xhaka is just as good, if not better.

[Marc Overmars]

Think that's a good signing for City, their central midfield has needed a makeover for a while now.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

So you've supposedly triggered Vardy's release clause :popcorn:

Seems a very un-Wenger signing, for some reason.

[Munchies]

Get the fuck in!

Happy with that!!

[AFC Leveller]

20m + 69 p?

[Kano]

Oh fuck

[Kano]

Besiktas want Ospina so he'll probably go next month after the Copa.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So you've supposedly triggered Vardy's release clause :popcorn:

Seems a very un-Wenger signing, for some reason.

Not keen on that signing, the only Leicester player Id particularly want is Mahrez

[Marc Overmars]

I call bullshit.

Not a Wenger player at all.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Not keen on that signing, the only Leicester player Id particularly want is Mahrez

Some Radio City (Liverpool) DJ claims you're in for Sturridge as well, and that he's selling his house.

How he'd know I'm not quite sure.

But he's exactly what you a need. Another crock.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Some Radio City (Liverpool) DJ claims you're in for Sturridge as well, and that he's selling his house.

How he'd know I'm not quite sure.

But he's exactly what you a need. Another crock.

Too right

Although unlike Vardy I do rate Sturridge

[GP]

No chance we're in for Vardy.

[Munchies]

No chance we're in for Vardy.

Well we've definitely met his release clause, been confirmed by many outlets already.

on him now to see if he wants to join or not

[The Emirates Gallactico]

lol never in a million years.


I'll only believe it when I see him starting for us up front next season.

[Munchies]

@AFCAMDEN
Update; told Vardy's release clause is LESS than £20m and deal could be concluded this weekend. Player itching to join us. #afc

https://twitter.com/AFCAMDEN/status/738808657509535745

This is a legit ITK. 500RTs in a few mins

Omg!

GET IN!!

[Marc Overmars]

Ornstein has vouched for the story as well. :o

[Munchies]

Ornstein has vouched for the story as well. :o

YES!!!!

[Letters]

So you've supposedly triggered Vardy's release clause :popcorn:

Seems a very un-Wenger signing, for some reason.

Hmm. I'm not sure I rate him that highly. He had a great season, obviously but am skeptical whether he'll repeat it.

[Marc Overmars]

Not sure how well he'd do playing in front of a defence rather than off it. Will he adapt to tippy tappy does WUMger just want to replicate Leicester? His finishing was off the chart last season so that's got to be the most encouraging thing though.

Let's see what happens, Leicester could easily offer him more money to stay. Ball is in his court.

Very surprised Wenger is interested in him. He's probably desperate to win the league with a year left on his deal.

[Niall_Quinn]

Vardy is better than most of the £50mill-£60mill hype merchants being pedalled around the place by scumbag agents. Vardy knows the PL, he's direct, he works his arse off and he has a striker's instinct. He shoots. He can head a ball. He's great and giving defenders grief for the entire 90 mins. And he's a cheat. Something we have desperately needed for ages to even up the score. Vardy or Morata? Vardy or Benzema? Vardy or [insert name of super hyped foreigner]. If Vardy was called Vardinho we'd all be drooling.

A very un-Wenger like player. And about fucking time too.

If this happens then we go into the new season in great shape. As for the fans poo-poohing it - I can only assume you didn't watch him play last season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not sure how well he'd do playing in front of a defence rather than off it. Will he adapt to tippy tappy does WUMger just want to replicate Leicester? His finishing was off the chart last season so that's got to be the most encouraging thing though.

Let's see what happens, Leicester could easily offer him more money to stay. Ball is in his court.

Very surprised Wenger is interested in him. He's probably desperate to win the league with a year left on his deal.

Well we need to change our whole style anyway because it's shit. If we don't do that then it doesn't matter who we buy.

[Master Splinter]

That's the end of his pelanty-winning days.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He will do wonders for our Asian market.

[GP]

Hmm. I'm not sure I rate him that highly. He had a great season, obviously but am skeptical whether he'll repeat it.

I tend to agree. Not who I would have chosen.

[Niall_Quinn]

Meanwhile the Barcunts have ruled out a bid for Bellerin but say they may be interested in the future. Translated - we aren't waiting, we're going after him now. With all their usual underhand shitbag tactics no doubt.

[Marc Overmars]

Not convinced either but it's one heck of a punt, so fair play to WUMger.

Didn't we sign Wrighty at 28? Never too old if you're good enough.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's the end of his pelanty-winning days.

Unfortunately that's probably true. But then again, any player coming here has to put up with the Arsenal specific rules.

[Munchies]

Vardy is better than most of the £50mill-£60mill hype merchants being pedalled around the place by scumbag agents. Vardy knows the PL, he's direct, he works his arse off and he has a striker's instinct. He shoots. He can head a ball. He's great and giving defenders grief for the entire 90 mins. And he's a cheat. Something we have desperately needed for ages to even up the score. Vardy or Morata? Vardy or Benzema? Vardy or [insert name of super hyped foreigner]. If Vardy was called Vardinho we'd all be drooling.

A very un-Wenger like player. And about fucking time too.

If this happens then we go into the new season in great shape. As for the fans poo-poohing it - I can only assume you didn't watch him play last season.

This this this!

Sign him up, damn I'm happy!