Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Özim]

It's odd that he doesn't correct the players in training except if they do a long ball. Why be so vocal about that particular part of a players game but not stop the game and correct players when they’re beaten too easily and not defending hard enough? Why not shout at Wilshere for over dribbling or Walcott for not even attempting to take on his man? He may feel it’s not constructive to shout at a player during a game or training to correct a mistake but it’s pretty evident from every team he’s coached that hoofing the ball forward is unacceptable. So they’re taking something in when he shouts instructions. It’s pretty clear what’s acceptable and what’s not in the squad so I don’t get why players can get away with slack defending and they don’t get a bollocking in front of their teammates. A quiet word after training or game just isn’t enough.

It's what I suspected all along, he never has a go at players in public and he doesn't do it behind closed doors either, he just chooses to let them get on with it and occasionally come out with one of his one liners, this isn't management at all and isn't what young players need at all.

Let's be honest, very little has changed in 10 years, the same problems we had then are here now and nothing is ever done about them and it won't be, we all know that.

[Globalgunner]

People always make jokes when I say it but I will say it again. Even a complete berk like Allardyce would improve this club massively. Yes he may not entice the ;likes of Ozil and Sanchez to come in the first place. But even they now know what a wally of a manager he is and are looking for the nearest exit before he puts the cloak of invisibility over whats left of their careers.

[Kano]

People always make jokes when I say it but I will say it again. Even a complete berk like Allardyce would improve this club massively.
So that would mean winning the league under Allardyce?

I won't make a joke but I will just laugh.

:lol:

[Özim]

So that would mean winning the league under Allardyce?

I won't make a joke but I will just laugh.

:lol:

Improving doesn't necessarily mean winning, it means making us more competitive (we were 2nd but out of the running quite a while before the season ended), making us more exciting to watch and more unpredictable so that we can upset the big boys in the CL.

Signing a few decent players would also be an improvement.

We ended up 2nd last season, but let's be honest we never looked capable of winning it and played poorly for months. With Wenger there's simply no hope that we can win one of the major prizes, a new major will come with renewed entusiasm that perhaps that can change.

Frankly last season was a car crash, it wouldn't be hard to improve on that.

[Kano]

:lol:

[Özim]

:lol:

Must be sunstroke making you feel this way, you should sit in the shade for a bit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If Allardyce was capable of making us more competitive than it stands to reason he'd have got a better job by now.

The joke is that people complain about the football being dull under Wenger, whilst i am sympathetic...what do you think it would be like under Allardyce?

Allardyce is a solid manager for clubs battling relegation or mid table clubs that is it, and whilst Wenger cannot take us forward and whilst top four isn't an achievement that is anything other than a means to an ends, he has done it with squads that have no business qualifying for the top four.

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.

And i think familiarity breeds contempt is a good way of explaining anyone seriously entertaining the idea that managers like Pulis, Allardyce etc would do a better job for us than Wenger, it's laughable really. The whole point of wanting to get rid of Wenger is to get a top manager in.....not wanting to get rid of him because some people have become so bored of him that they want to punch him in the conk every time they see him on television.

[Globalgunner]

There has never in the last 10 years been a time where we did not have a team capable of achieving top 4
Pls be specific otherwise it is pure revisionism. The one thing Allardyce or any other sane manager would not do is see the same deficiencies each year and do nothing to correct them. The overwhelming feeling I get from Wenger is that he quickly, almost immediately brushes off each hopeless season as down to bad luck. Same again next season....this time with a little luck...and we will win everything!

P.S Allardyce is probably favourite to be next England manager. Hilarious I know but it seems others outside GW think he has some nous

[Özim]

If Allardyce was capable of making us more competitive than it stands to reason he'd have got a better job by now.

The joke is that people complain about the football being dull under Wenger, whilst i am sympathetic...what do you think it would be like under Allardyce?

Allardyce is a solid manager for clubs battling relegation or mid table clubs that is it, and whilst Wenger cannot take us forward and whilst top four isn't an achievement that is anything other than a means to an ends, he has done it with squads that have no business qualifying for the top four.

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.

And i think familiarity breeds contempt is a good way of explaining anyone seriously entertaining the idea that managers like Pulis, Allardyce etc would do a better job for us than Wenger, it's laughable really. The whole point of wanting to get rid of Wenger is to get a top manager in.....not wanting to get rid of him because some people have become so bored of him that they want to punch him in the conk every time they see him on television.

Obviously we want a good manager to come in when he leaves, but at the end of the day he just needs to leaves, he's destroyed football for many fans, his ways and ideas have made sure fans are no longer that bothered about watching their club, they don't enjoy it, it's not even entertaining, there's no unpredictability.

I could never have envisaged one man could destroy a club so much without actually getting it relegated, but in many fans eyes he has, there's a lot of people who now feel very indifferent about watching our games and that's all because of him.

Wenger has runined his legacy now, the great football and success of yesteryear is now secondary in many people's minds and at the same time the great club we once were is also a distant memory, replaced by this corporate monster that really doesn't give a damn about football, I don't like what he's turned us into, this will be his legacy.

The greatest manager in Arsenal's history, no I don't think so, that has to go to a man who puts football first, he'll without doubt be the longest serving manager however and I hope this achievement is never beaten because we've seen what can happen when a manager stays on too long first hand.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal under Wenger plays the most boring and frustrating football in the world. Name one club that plays more boring football than us, and be honest about it. Not even Maureen is as boring as Wenger. ANY person, doesn't even have to be a football manager, would deliver more entertaining football than Wenger. This doesn't mean they'd win, but at least the shit would be watchable. As things stand, our football is good for nothing - except maybe as an all-in-one sedative and laxative.

How experienced a manager do you have to be to tell a player in front of goal to shoot? Or instruct a midfielder to play the odd forward pass every now and again. I think anyone but Wenger is a valid slogan that has merit behind it. Get some piece of shit in and sack him after 5 games. But do SOMETHING to break out of this coma.

[Globalgunner]

The ironic thing is that Wenger will probably see Leicesters success last season as a validation of his own principles. Does anyone actually think he will study what they did and see if there are lessons to be learnt in style, personnel or training. He will rather most likely see that it proves you dont need to spend tons to win the league. Hence more scouting the lower leagues of Europe for the next big thing. He never learns it not just bad luck.

[Özim]

Arsenal under Wenger plays the most boring and frustrating football in the world. Name one club that plays more boring football than us, and be honest about it. Not even Maureen is as boring as Wenger. ANY person, doesn't even have to be a football manager, would deliver more entertaining football than Wenger. This doesn't mean they'd win, but at least the shit would be watchable. As things stand, our football is good for nothing - except maybe as an all-in-one sedative and laxative.

How experienced a manager do you have to be to tell a player in front of goal to shoot? Or instruct a midfielder to play the odd forward pass every now and again. I think anyone but Wenger is a valid slogan that has merit behind it. Get some piece of shit in and sack him after 5 games. But do SOMETHING to break out of this coma.

Agree with this, just want him out so I don't have to put up with that dogshite he calls football, the most boring manager in football, whose team plays the most boring football and even in the off season he manages to bore the pant of us with his non entity signings and kids, this is the worst the club has been since I've supported it, there's is just absolutely nothing to get excited about.

[Kano]

There has never in the last 10 years been a time where we did not have a team capable of achieving top 4
Pls be specific otherwise it is pure revisionism. The one thing Allardyce or any other sane manager would not do is see the same deficiencies each year and do nothing to correct them. The overwhelming feeling I get from Wenger is that he quickly, almost immediately brushes off each hopeless season as down to bad luck. Same again next season....this time with a little luck...and we will win everything!

P.S Allardyce is probably favourite to be next England manager. Hilarious I know but it seems others outside GW think he has some nous

You're using the FA as some sort of bar of competence? Allardyce will probably be a success for England because expectations no longer exist for the side, so anything beyond the last two jokers will be deemed successful - no matter how he gets the job done. He has all the average players he could dream of to choose from and can play the atrocious football that he and the rest of the international teams now revel in. No big club would touch Allardyce with a barge pole and at the age of 61, that is never going to change. And there are a multitude of reasons for that. With or without Wenger (hopefully the later at the end of the season) the club will still be playing dull, uninspiring football. Just like every other team in the league. This is what football has descended into on every level, so fans will have to find different reasons to keep watching, if that is a key element.

[dostoy]

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.


That is exactly it and put very well.

I am interested as much as anyone as to who we sign but does it really matter ?

We will probably get into the top 4 but have not got a chance of winning the PL and as for the CL, there is even less chance of winning that or even getting to the semi-final even.

I really want a new manager here, then things will change, maybe for the worse but probably for the better.

Under Wenger we know what is going to happen every season.

[Power n Glory]

If Allardyce was capable of making us more competitive than it stands to reason he'd have got a better job by now.

The joke is that people complain about the football being dull under Wenger, whilst i am sympathetic...what do you think it would be like under Allardyce?

Allardyce is a solid manager for clubs battling relegation or mid table clubs that is it, and whilst Wenger cannot take us forward and whilst top four isn't an achievement that is anything other than a means to an ends, he has done it with squads that have no business qualifying for the top four.

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.

And i think familiarity breeds contempt is a good way of explaining anyone seriously entertaining the idea that managers like Pulis, Allardyce etc would do a better job for us than Wenger, it's laughable really. The whole point of wanting to get rid of Wenger is to get a top manager in.....not wanting to get rid of him because some people have become so bored of him that they want to punch him in the conk every time they see him on television.

Playing devils advocate here. I've heard some folks here really shit all over Jose Mourinho's defensive brand of football and point to the amount of money he spends as reason for his success. Is it not possible for Sam to get something more out of a better team? I don't rate Allardyce at all but he's never been trusted with better players so we don't really know what he's capable of.

[Power n Glory]

It's what I suspected all along, he never has a go at players in public and he doesn't do it behind closed doors either, he just chooses to let them get on with it and occasionally come out with one of his one liners, this isn't management at all and isn't what young players need at all.

Let's be honest, very little has changed in 10 years, the same problems we had then are here now and nothing is ever done about them and it won't be, we all know that.

It's really not enough. I've heard players say he has given them certain tips after a chat but he really needs to drill it in on a day to day basis like he does want cutting out long balls from our game.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

This doesn't bode well for our new £33mill signing Xhaka. He seems to be a player who can do more than tip, tap it left and right. But the Swiss manager didn't fancy him doing more than that and Wenger certainly won't. Wenger is all about possession. If they other team doesn't have the ball then they can't score. Trouble is, without some variation to the play we may well keep the ball but the opposition has an easy job of it because we're so predictable and we'll never do that "vulgar" stuff that might stretch a defence. His training sessions should happen in a Dojo, not on a football pitch. He's not a football manager. He's something else.

Yeah Xhaka looks like a player who can ping a pass from one end to another.......but he needs a striker that can latch in to that kind of pass so hence the Vardy attempt and woe upon woe and tweak in Wumgers way of doing things?

But if that is true he can't give up on one knock back and ho hum back to the old way!

Know nothing about Icardi 16 goals and 9 leagues injured does not inspire confidence but the deal of infinite pounds plus Giroud for Higuain is bullshit.

Go for the Inter captain, keep Giroud, get Mahrez for whatever they want, 45mil is it? sell Walcott for 20?......get Turan for 20 as per paper reports and the CB from Napoli Kidou because he looks a bit of a beast. Holding in :bow: Chambers out on loan.

Have I gone over budget? Of course I have by about 4 players......FFS Wenger get the cheque book out because my suggestions will make us stronger without too much pain compared to other clubs, I mean 100mil for Pogba? It will be a cold day in hell before we go anywhere near that kind of transfer........I mean we could if we wanted.....where do UTD get the money didn't they break the bank to get DiMaria

Don't tell me Howard Webb is heading fair play commission?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsenal under Wenger plays the most boring and frustrating football in the world. Name one club that plays more boring football than us, and be honest about it. Not even Maureen is as boring as Wenger. ANY person, doesn't even have to be a football manager, would deliver more entertaining football than Wenger. This doesn't mean they'd win, but at least the shit would be watchable. As things stand, our football is good for nothing - except maybe as an all-in-one sedative and laxative.

How experienced a manager do you have to be to tell a player in front of goal to shoot? Or instruct a midfielder to play the odd forward pass every now and again. I think anyone but Wenger is a valid slogan that has merit behind it. Get some piece of shit in and sack him after 5 games. But do SOMETHING to break out of this coma.

I went to the Emirates twice in the last year and seen us play sides managed by Sam Allardyce and whilst we are predictable and anodyne....the entertainment factor in comparison to that offered by his side. Was like being blown by a high end
hooker whilst being served cocaine off a silver service tray by a dwarf whilst watching river dance being performed whilst Michael Flatleys legs are on fire.

[Munchies]

Icardi posted a picture of him in a Inter shirt with the Inter Milan colours a few hours ago on twitter

:rose:

Griezmann :pray:

[dostoy]

Mario Gomez WILL leave Turkey this summer.

Get him, get someone good Wenger FFS.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Arsenal under Wenger plays the most boring and frustrating football in the world. Name one club that plays more boring football than us, and be honest about it. Not even Maureen is as boring as Wenger. ANY person, doesn't even have to be a football manager, would deliver more entertaining football than Wenger. This doesn't mean they'd win, but at least the shit would be watchable. As things stand, our football is good for nothing - except maybe as an all-in-one sedative and laxative.


How experienced a manager do you have to be to tell a player in front of goal to shoot? Or instruct a midfielder to play the odd forward pass every now and again. I think anyone but Wenger is a valid slogan that has merit behind it. Get some piece of shit in and sack him after 5 games. But do SOMETHING to break out of this coma.

Do we need a change of manager soon? Yes. Do we play boring and frustrating football for long spells? Yes. We had no creative central midfielder last season with Cazorla out. Is Arsene unwilling to change his stubborn ways, perhaps not,
But, he's got at least one more season - it would be great for him to go out on a high. Hopefully get off to a good start and build from there. lets see what happens between now and start of season. Some promising youngsters have come through in Bellerin, Iwobi and Campbell ...those mixed with a fit Ramsey, Sanchez, Cazorla and Ozil....and a new 20+Goal striker and a Decent CB signing should put us in a good position. Our problem isn't the football per se, Ozil and Sanchez have done wonders, it's our complacency and inability to finish off a game anymore. We need to remember how to counter more effectively, change and consistently change our tactics according to the opposition. Wenger does it brilliantly sometimes, just can't find the consistency. Welbeck made a huge difference on his return from injury last season. I hope he's able to come back stronger again this time.

[Marc Overmars]

Mario Gomez WILL leave Turkey this summer.

Get him, get someone good Wenger FFS.

Gomez would have us tearing our hair out just as often as Giroud does.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Sam Allardyce. Dear God.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Gomez would have us tearing our hair out just as often as Giroud does.

Apart from with Fiorentina, his goal scoring record is immense

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Negredo signs for Boro.

A bit hit and miss but I wouldn't have minded taking a punt on him if all our other targets fell (which they appear to be).

[Niall_Quinn]

I went to the Emirates twice in the last year and seen us play sides managed by Sam Allardyce and whilst we are predictable and anodyne....the entertainment factor in comparison to that offered by his side. Was like being blown by a high end
hooker whilst being served cocaine off a silver service tray by a dwarf whilst watching river dance being performed whilst Michael Flatleys legs are on fire.

Riverdance hasn't stood the test of time tbf.

[Niall_Quinn]

Icardi posted a picture of him in a Inter shirt with the Inter Milan colours a few hours ago on twitter

:rose:

Griezmann :pray:

Why? Is Greizmann looking to improve his contract too?

[Niall_Quinn]

Do we need a change of manager soon? Yes. Do we play boring and frustrating football for long spells? Yes. We had no creative central midfielder last season with Cazorla out. Is Arsene unwilling to change his stubborn ways, perhaps not,
But, he's got at least one more season - it would be great for him to go out on a high. Hopefully get off to a good start and build from there. lets see what happens between now and start of season. Some promising youngsters have come through in Bellerin, Iwobi and Campbell ...those mixed with a fit Ramsey, Sanchez, Cazorla and Ozil....and a new 20+Goal striker and a Decent CB signing should put us in a good position. Our problem isn't the football per se, Ozil and Sanchez have done wonders, it's our complacency and inability to finish off a game anymore. We need to remember how to counter more effectively, change and consistently change our tactics according to the opposition. Wenger does it brilliantly sometimes, just can't find the consistency. Welbeck made a huge difference on his return from injury last season. I hope he's able to come back stronger again this time.

But that's the point, isn't it? 20+ goal striker and a decent CB required. And even with that, Wenger has become so negative. He's using the law of averages to tap his way to CL qualification every season. And he views that as an achievement, which really is the whole problem. But fine, as I said before, if this is his last season then I can live with that and I suspect most fans can. But if he offers himself another contract everyone better hit the deck because a rattle will be leaving a pram at extreme velocity.

[Kano]

Icardi posted a picture of him in a Inter shirt with the Inter Milan colours a few hours ago on twitter

:rose:

Griezmann :pray:

Sounds about as definitive as Huguain to Juventus.

[Kano]

Sam Allardyce. Dear God.

It's time for Wenger move on, which means every manager in football is better than him.

Or, the Owen Coyle syndrome, as it is sometimes called.

[Munchies]

It's time for Wenger move on, which means every manager in football is better than him.

Or, the Owen Coyle syndrome, as it is sometimes called.

Put Big Sam in charge of us last season with a transfer window and we'd have won a trophy

[Kano]

The disease continues to spread.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, it means Wenger going is far more important than who comes in. If the new guy turns out to be a bag of shit then sack him. Like any normal club would do. Sack him after a week, a month, a year. Doesn't matter. The upheaval will be good for the club, even if we drop down the table. You have to actually change something if you want change. Because Wenger refuses to change then the change must be his removal. That's the result in itself. Even if Mr Bean was hired we'd still have that positive result. Of course we shouldn't go and hire a turd, we should get somebody decent in if we can. But that shouldn't become an excuse to deter getting rid of Wenger. Or don't bother with a manager at all if it's going to take a while to find the right person. Let the players sort themselves out and dump the rest of the stuff that Wenger insists on doing himself into the lap of the staff who should be doing it anyway and are paid to do it. If they are crap, sack them too. This club is ridiculous. It's paralysed, totally reliant on one man who hasn't managed to achieve anything in a decade. Before anything else can happen he has to go.

Instead he'll get another contract. Then the greedy bastards will have what they wanted all along. The traditional fan base priced out or bored out and a bunch of tourists queuing to spend their cash. Fuckers.

[GP]

Sam Allardyce. Dear God.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2016/07/20/WengerSam-xlarge_trans++fleoOs6T1Ju7UDC45unxecLqPjXx2N-gptdKW1IV_Yw.jpg

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Put Big Sam in charge of us last season with a transfer window and we'd have won a trophy
never rated Big Sam. But I think he might be a great fit for England. Reminds me of that movie...Mike Bassett England Manager.
Anyhow...
Loved watching Bolton under big Sam... Beautiful football that ;)

[Bergkampwonderland10]

No, it means Wenger going is far more important than who comes in. If the new guy turns out to be a bag of shit then sack him. Like any normal club would do. Sack him after a week, a month, a year. Doesn't matter. The upheaval will be good for the club, even if we drop down the table. You have to actually change something if you want change. Because Wenger refuses to change then the change must be his removal. That's the result in itself. Even if Mr Bean was hired we'd still have that positive result. Of course we shouldn't go and hire a turd, we should get somebody decent in if we can. But that shouldn't become an excuse to deter getting rid of Wenger. Or don't bother with a manager at all if it's going to take a while to find the right person. Let the players sort themselves out and dump the rest of the stuff that Wenger insists on doing himself into the lap of the staff who should be doing it anyway and are paid to do it. If they are crap, sack them too. This club is ridiculous. It's paralysed, totally reliant on one man who hasn't managed to achieve anything in a decade. Before anything else can happen he has to go.

Instead he'll get another contract. Then the greedy bastards will have what they wanted all along. The traditional fan base priced out or bored out and a bunch of tourists queuing to spend their cash. Fuckers.
Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed winning the FA Cups in the last decade;) I think fans are being way too harsh at this point in time. I too hope this is Wenger's final season, but I really hope he can go out on a high! I haven't forgotten what he has done on and off the pitch. We are mighty unlucky with the owners we have...but I blame Dein and the others for selling out. Everyone entitled to an opinion but it might be good to stop the Wenger bashing on match days and for the fans to get behind the team from the first minute to the last without the in house fighting. We're worse than the labor party right now.

[Power n Glory]

Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed winning the FA Cups in the last decade;) I think fans are being way too harsh at this point in time. I too hope this is Wenger's final season, but I really hope he can go out on a high! I haven't forgotten what he has done on and off the pitch. We are mighty unlucky with the owners we have...but I blame Dein and the others for selling out. Everyone entitled to an opinion but it might be good to stop the Wenger bashing on match days and for the fans to get behind the team from the first minute to the last without the in house fighting. We're worse than the labor party right now.

It's possible to do both. I think that's something people need to come to terms with. If banners go up at a certain moment or a section of the crowd wants to sing 'One Arsene Wenger' then people should be left to do what they feel without the abuse.

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed winning the FA Cups in the last decade;) I think fans are being way too harsh at this point in time. I too hope this is Wenger's final season, but I really hope he can go out on a high! I haven't forgotten what he has done on and off the pitch. We are mighty unlucky with the owners we have...but I blame Dein and the others for selling out. Everyone entitled to an opinion but it might be good to stop the Wenger bashing on match days and for the fans to get behind the team from the first minute to the last without the in house fighting. We're worse than the labor party right now.

Now is the most appropriate time to call out Wenger and the club. When the season kicks off then that will be time to support the team, although that does not automatically imply support for the manager and the upper echelons who failed yet again last year and are busy failing in this transfer window. If the club goes into another season unprepared then as far as I'm concerned it's perfectly valid to be on the manager's case from day one and be relentless thereafter. That won't stop goals being cheered, that won't stop the team being supported.

As for FA Cup wins, well if that's where we are pitching ourselves now then fair enough. If that is our level then let's say so and dispense with this idea of being among the elites. Of course any fan would prefer to win rather than lose an FA Cup, that's obvious. But winning it doesn't relieve the requirement to challenge to the finish line in the major competitions, the domestic title and the CL. There's no hiding behind the FA Cup for a club like Arsenal. Hull yes, Wigan yes. Arsenal, no, not a bit of it.

Wenger knows what is required, just as he's known it these past 5 years. The club needs to spend money bringing in a top tier striker, and if that's not possible they need to bring in credible reinforcements for the mediocre strike force that isn't delivering. If Wenger and the club can't do that, if they pretend they can wave the FA Cup or an also-ran finish around whilst banking fortunes and charging king's ransoms then I hope most fans will be strenuously encouraging them to think again.

[Munchies]

Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed winning the FA Cups in the last decade;) I think fans are being way too harsh at this point in time. I too hope this is Wenger's final season, but I really hope he can go out on a high! I haven't forgotten what he has done on and off the pitch. We are mighty unlucky with the owners we have...but I blame Dein and the others for selling out. Everyone entitled to an opinion but it might be good to stop the Wenger bashing on match days and for the fans to get behind the team from the first minute to the last without the in house fighting. We're worse than the labor party right now.

Way too harsh? The fans have given him and the board way too much stress-free time to carry on as they've been doing, robbing a living off the fans who pay hard earned cash week in week out.

If the fans were more outspoken, maybe he'd know he can't attack them in the media as he did last season and the board could know how the majority felt. They've tried to censor fans..

A shame that if 1 fan doesn't go though, 100s of tourist fans would gladly take the seat, hence no impact to the board

[Marc Overmars]

Wijnaldum to Liverpool. £25m.

[Gooner23]

Even the spurious rumours have dried up now, the papers have got bored.. we are well and truly in the waiting period.

[Kano]

Wijnaldum to Liverpool. £25m.

Gotta love Liverpool :lol:

But why haven't we signed him :angry:

[GP]

Gotta love Liverpool :lol:

But why haven't we signed him :angry:

It's because Wenger is a frog-eating cunt.

[Munchies]

Wijnaldum is a class player at times

Klopp is forming a solid team with smart signings

[GP]

Apparently Arteta's first assignment at City was to tap-up Bellerin.

[Özim]

Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed winning the FA Cups in the last decade;) I think fans are being way too harsh at this point in time. I too hope this is Wenger's final season, but I really hope he can go out on a high! I haven't forgotten what he has done on and off the pitch. We are mighty unlucky with the owners we have...but I blame Dein and the others for selling out. Everyone entitled to an opinion but it might be good to stop the Wenger bashing on match days and for the fans to get behind the team from the first minute to the last without the in house fighting. We're worse than the labor party right now.

Harsh? He's had over a decade to bring success back, in that time he's done it all his way and fans have been pretty understanding and now still nothing has changed, the defence is still rubbish, the forward line can't score for toffee (I'd argue we've gone backwards here), our football is incredibly boring to watch, we have injury after injury (often to the same players) season after season, the tactics are still hopeless and he still doesn't ever sign the right players.

No he's had plenty of chances, at any other club he'd have been out on his ear about 6 years ago, the fans have been very patient despite the constant mickey taking byt he club.

It's time for him to move on, he can't be trusted and fails to deliver and disappoints every summer and season, he doesn't have a clue what's needed and can't cut it at the top anymore.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently Arteta's first assignment at City was to tap-up Bellerin.

Serious or joke?

[Özim]

It's easy to tap up players from clubs who don't win much and don't sign players.

[GP]

Serious or joke?

Serious.

We told City to fuck off, though.

[Marc Overmars]

Bit of paper talk about how Bellerin would like to play for Guardiola but so would a lot of players. No chance he'd be allowed to leave.

[Gooner23]

You would hope, although if he starts pushing for the move I could see the club rolling over. We really don't have a great track record in keeping hold of players. But hope its true we have told them to fuck right off. He represents one of the few bright spots about last season, and possible stars of a post Wenger team.

[selassie]

Looks like we made a late bid to try and sign Njie, this is the guy that couldn't get anywhere near the Spuds first team last year. :rolleyes:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/21/arsenal-make-shock-approach-for-tottenham-ace-clinton-njie-6019817/

[GP]

No chance we wanted Njie. None at all.

[GP]

Alex Song signs for Rubin Kazan :haha:

[selassie]

No chance we wanted Njie. None at all.

Well we wanted him before he went there. Metro are really unreliable but...the sad thing is it is actually quite a believable link. Cheap, young with potential.

[GP]

I doubt we ever wanted him.

He's really really bad.

[Marc Overmars]

I doubt we ever wanted him.

He's really really bad.

Hasn't stopped us in the past tbh.

[Özim]

Well we wanted him before he went there. Metro are really unreliable but...the sad thing is it is actually quite a believable link. Cheap, young with potential.

This is typical of Wenger, he's done it before and will do it again, he loves cheap projects and nobodies, he's a 2nd rate manager with 2nd rate ideas about what good signings are.

People who don't believe we would sign players like this need to look at our history.

[Özim]

Hasn't stopped us in the past tbh.

Exactly, people never thought we'd sign Silvestre or Wellbeck either as they ridiculed them before they arrived.

[Özim]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/19/6-reasons-this-may-be-arsenals-worst-summer-transfer-window-ever-6015448/

[Marc Overmars]

Gotze has gone back to Dortmund.

That went well.

[Özim]

Dortmund replacing quality with quality, getting in there whilst the players are available, good policy considering their best players will get cherry picked regularly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Lets be fair, Munich never wanted Gotze they just wanted Dortmund not to have him.

Their transfer policy for years has been to buy the best players from their competitors regardless of whether they wanted them or not, it's about destabilising an oponent.

[Kano]

All depends where Dortmund play him. Put him out wide as Bayern have done and he'll continue to underachieve.

And that Metro story :lol: it's part of DMG, so you couldn't ask for a less reliable source.

[Özim]

All depends where Dortmund play him. Put him out wide as Bayern have done and he'll continue to underachieve.

And that Metro story :lol: it's part of DMG, so you couldn't ask for a less reliable source.

I don't see what not reliable about it, it's saying this could be our worst transfer window and it's hard to disagree, a couple kids and some guy from Germany who we don't know much about, the more pressing issues not sorted out and no sign of them being either.

Welcome to the world of LeClown.

[Kano]

:lol:

[Power n Glory]

I don't see what not reliable about it, it's saying this could be our worst transfer window and it's hard to disagree, a couple kids and some guy from Germany who we don't know much about, the more pressing issues not sorted out and no sign of them being either.

Welcome to the world of LeClown.

Last season is the worst transfer window we've had. Reading that just reminded me of how we lost the title to Leicester City. :lol: Our main rivals were out of the picture for crying out loud.

Whatever Wenger does this season doesn't matter if we're being truthful. We're witnessing the end. He hasn't got anything left to offer.

[Özim]

Last season is the worst transfer window we've had. Reading that just reminded me of how we lost the title to Leicester City. :lol: Our main rivals were out of the picture for crying out loud.

Whatever Wenger does this season doesn't matter if we're being truthful. We're witnessing the end. He hasn't got anything left to offer.

You're right it doesn't matter as he'll only mess it up like he always does, it's mystifying how are last season he doesn't see that great a need to improve, the levels of delusion on show are beyond anything we could have possibly imagined.

As usual we're seeing the typical Wenger signings, kids and players noone really knows, let's just pray it's his last season in charge.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Gotta love Liverpool :lol:

But why haven't we signed him :angry:
I'm not even sure I care about fees anymore. He's expensive, too expensive, but everyone is now. Pogba for £100m, Sissoko for £30m potentially, Watford supposedly rejecting £25m for Deeney. The whole thing is mental.

I'm more concerned by the fact he's another attacking mid, the last position we need... Unless someone is off.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Last season is the worst transfer window we've had. Reading that just reminded me of how we lost the title to Leicester City. :lol: Our main rivals were out of the picture for crying out loud.

Whatever Wenger does this season doesn't matter if we're being truthful. We're witnessing the end. He hasn't got anything left to offer.

What I will say for Wenger is whether we have a good squad or a crap squad we qualify for the Champions League. We won't come anywhere near the league this season so the best we can hope for is that it is his last season and he leaves a decent squad needing a few quality additions and champions league football to someone who is serious about us winning big things.

[Niall_Quinn]

Last season is the worst transfer window we've had. Reading that just reminded me of how we lost the title to Leicester City. :lol: Our main rivals were out of the picture for crying out loud.

Whatever Wenger does this season doesn't matter if we're being truthful. We're witnessing the end. He hasn't got anything left to offer.

He certainly has got something to offer. His resignation. But he won't.

[GP]

I'm not even sure I care about fees anymore. He's expensive, too expensive, but everyone is now. Pogba for £100m, Sissoko for £30m potentially, Watford supposedly rejecting £25m for Deeney. The whole thing is mental.

I'm more concerned by the fact he's another attacking mid, the last position we need... Unless someone is off.

I heard Joe Allen is leaving.

[Kano]

I'm not even sure I care about fees anymore. He's expensive, too expensive, but everyone is now. Pogba for £100m, Sissoko for £30m potentially, Watford supposedly rejecting £25m for Deeney. The whole thing is mental.

I'm more concerned by the fact he's another attacking mid, the last position we need... Unless someone is off.
£60m on Mane and this guy must be quite a bit of your budget gone though, on two players that should be good squad players, but for a team with the ambition of Liverpool, not really key game changers. What do you ideally need - a GK, CD and CM?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

£60m on Mane and this guy must be quite a bit of your budget gone though, on two players that should be good squad players, but for a team with the ambition of Liverpool, not really key game changers. What do you ideally need - a GK, CD and CM?

Mane gives us something we didn't really have tbf, remains to be seen how he'll play but he's different to what we already had. Again, hideously expensive but there we go. At least we'll have someone who can stretch a defence if when Sturridge gets injured. Hopefully we can make some money with Benteke which would wipe out the Wijnaldum fee- in fact off the top of my head we'd be pretty much even for the window, with the likes of Balotelli (pray to God), Markovic, Luis Alberto and indeed Allen to go.

As for the rest, we're probably OK in terms of GK (Karius) and CB (Matip + this Klavan bloke as back up, Sakho cleared and Lovren looking halfway competent). This Grujic is looking like a unit in midfield, and with Henderson, Can, Milner, potentially Lucas and the odd youngster to come in as necessary. If needs be even the likes of Lallana could slot in for a bit. Depends on how we set up I guess how important another CM would be; I'd personally like a proper, defensive mid in there. My worry is actually the full backs; Moreno can't defend, and if Flanagan does go out on loan we have barely any cover on either side bar youngsters. I know we've been linked with Amavi who looked not-terrible in his few games for Villa, but we dont't know if his leg works anymore which would be a worry.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Wijnaldum is a quality player....not a bad signing for the scouse at all. I don't even think the price is too much higher than he is worth.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The only discussion and analysis of actual transfers on an Arsenal forum is about Liverpool's activity. :lol:

[Ralpheroo72]

Dick Law has the best job in football. He's redundant most of the time. Although the speedy negotiations for the Rob Holding transfer, they are evidence of how good Law really is.

[Marc Overmars]

Barca sign Andre Gomes for £40m.

Anyone we pick up if they need to make room? :ninja:

[Ralpheroo72]

Our Central Midfielders may have to play wide, stubborn old mule.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-manager-arsene-wenger-insists-theres-a-lot-to-come-from-new-signing-granit-xhaka-a3301731.html

[Gooner23]

Even Arseblog is starting to lose it after Gazidis latest interview citing Leicester's achievement last season as a reason not to spend. And he also said this;

“We’re making progress in what is a fiercely competitive world, against competitors that have the capability to spend far more money than we do,”

Playing the poverty card? Really?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I wish we could at least offer the threat of inflicting poverty on the Club. Then they'd be forced to at least do the minimum to keep us onside.

[selassie]

Even Arseblog is starting to lose it after Gazidis latest interview citing Leicester's achievement last season as a reason not to spend. And he also said this;

“We’re making progress in what is a fiercely competitive world, against competitors that have the capability to spend far more money than we do,”

Playing the poverty card? Really?

Wenger must have prepped him well.

[Chippy]

Even Arseblog is starting to lose it after Gazidis latest interview citing Leicester's achievement last season as a reason not to spend. And he also said this;

“We’re making progress in what is a fiercely competitive world, against competitors that have the capability to spend far more money than we do,”

Playing the poverty card? Really?
The biggest hint yet that proves we are buying no fucker. Even the media have run out of stories on who we are going to buy. Our club has gone.

[Marc Overmars]

Is it 2011 again? Yes we can't be wreckless but to even allude to financial competitiveness now is insulting. Get fucked Gazidis and take Wenger with you.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn81sO-WcAAYoGm.jpg

:haha:

Fuck off you prick

Sanogo's brother is on the horizon

[Power n Glory]

:lol: Nothing more to see folks. This is a joke.

Klopp
Conte
Mourinho
Guardiola

Four of the best coaches in the world competing in one league for the first time. Yet this is our response! :lol:

These guys aren't serious, man! :lol: Time for every Arsenal fan to reflect on what's going on. If the time difference wasn't so crazy, I'd dedicate more time to watching NBA and NFL.

If we can't pip Leicester City to the title, we have no chance of doing it this year. My only hope for this season is that people finally lose their shit at the Emirates and boo the shit out of the manager and club until they walk away. We have some absolute scumbags running the club and no sane person should invest anymore money and time into this.

[Power n Glory]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn81sO-WcAAYoGm.jpg

:haha:

Fuck off you prick

Sanogo's brother is on the horizon


We've been trying to find undervalued players for over 10 years now. It's got nothing to do with the pool of talent. It's the coaching. I can guarantee if we'd have spotted a 16 year old Ronaldo he wouldn't have been half the player he is now if Wenger had a hold of him.

[Gooner23]

I'll still follow our results but wont be spending any money on the club until something changes.

I know some people predict doom and gloom every summer, but I actually think this one feels a bit different (for me personally). I reckon the complacency levels are at record high now within the higher echelons of the club. This season really has the potential to be a shocker.

The managers you mentioned above will get their teams playing better, meanwhile it's not looking like we'll be pushing the boat out to strengthen. That combined with a manager with his head in the sand, and the rapidly growing discontent within the fanbase. It could all turn very ugly. Although perhaps that's what is needed to snap us out of autopilot.

[Power n Glory]

I'll still follow our results but wont be spending any money on the club until something changes.

I know some people predict doom and gloom every summer, but I actually think this one feels a bit different (for me personally). I reckon the complacency levels are at record high now within the higher echelons of the club. This season really has the potential to be a shocker.

The managers you mentioned above will get their teams playing better, meanwhile it's not looking like we'll be pushing the boat out to strengthen. That combined with a manager with his head in the sand, and the rapidly growing discontent within the fanbase. It could all turn very ugly. Although perhaps that's what is needed to snap us out of autopilot.

I think it's clear as day what their agenda is. Don't waste your money. Considering how bad things got last season, the response from club is staggering. They couldn't give a shit.

[Munchies]

We've been trying to find undervalued players for over 10 years now. It's got nothing to do with the pool of talent. It's the coaching. I can guarantee if we'd have spotted a 16 year old Ronaldo he wouldn't have been half the player he is now if Wenger had a hold of him.

Quincy Owusu Abeyie :rose:

[Munchies]

I'll still follow our results but wont be spending any money on the club until something changes.

I know some people predict doom and gloom every summer, but I actually think this one feels a bit different (for me personally). I reckon the complacency levels are at record high now within the higher echelons of the club. This season really has the potential to be a shocker.

The managers you mentioned above will get their teams playing better, meanwhile it's not looking like we'll be pushing the boat out to strengthen. That combined with a manager with his head in the sand, and the rapidly growing discontent within the fanbase. It could all turn very ugly. Although perhaps that's what is needed to snap us out of autopilot.

Only thing I really bought was the shirts, wanted this Summer's home shirt but put it off until we fixed the squad. Fuck it.

Same with the tickets, I only go to 2-3 games a season now. Can't even be bothered. What's the point.

Got sent an email from the club back when we played WBA at home, spare tickets going for £55. :lol:

[Özim]

WTF, playing CMs' wide, why not buy some wingers that would make sense, absolutely delusional.

I honestly think Wenger is one of the worst managers in football today, maybe not in terms of results but certainly in terms of value for money, entertainment, tactics and ability to fix problem areas in the team, right now I just want him out, without even having to think about who would replace him, this club without a manager would be better than it is with him as manager.

The man has no redeeming qualities at all, he's an embarrassment, but they're all happy after all they have their massive paychecks at the end of every month so why would they care about the state of the team.

[Gooner23]

I think it's clear as day what their agenda is. Don't waste your money. Considering how bad things got last season, the response from club is staggering. They couldn't give a shit.

I just think they are absolutely coasting on autopilot. The money is rolling in, the results are just about good enough to keep (an albeit shrinking) percentage of the fan base content.

[Özim]

:lol: Nothing more to see folks. This is a joke.

Klopp
Conte
Mourinho
Guardiola

Four of the best coaches in the world competing in one league for the first time. Yet this is our response! :lol:

These guys aren't serious, man! :lol: Time for every Arsenal fan to reflect on what's going on. If the time difference wasn't so crazy, I'd dedicate more time to watching NBA and NFL.

If we can't pip Leicester City to the title, we have no chance of doing it this year. My only hope for this season is that people finally lose their shit at the Emirates and boo the shit out of the manager and club until they walk away. We have some absolute scumbags running the club and no sane person should invest anymore money and time into this.

To be honest, he's not going to get any results against the big boys this season, might even get the odd trouncing like a few years ago, not that he cares, it's water of a ducks back for his, he humiliates the club and all involved and still pretends he's doing nothing wrong.

We already know we won't beat Man U as we never do and now that Mourinho is around again, he'll make Wenger look like the amateur he is in our games.

[Özim]

I just think they are absolutely coasting on autopilot. The money is rolling in, the results are just about good enough to keep (an albeit shrinking) percentage of the fan base content.

Part of the problem I'm afraid, the fans that are content and even happy about what's happening and think 4th place is like winning the CL, we saw it last season, they've achieved their goals, lowered expectations so that 4th place is now like winning, this isn't a top club at all, just a business with some people who are seemingly irrationally addicted to the product they sell.

[Munchies]

@timpayton
All these fans saying Arsenal won't spend money. Pah. Board recently signed off on big bonuses for Gazidis & 'consultancy' fees for Kroenke

[Gooner23]

I think there is still a large section of match going fans who are happy just turn up on a Saturday and watch the team, win or lose its a release from 'real life'. They don't follow the politics of the club all that closely and therefore wont get too wrapped up in it all. I don't see anything changing any time soon.

[Power n Glory]

Quincy Owusu Abeyie :rose:

Quincy, Reyes, Ox... plenty of players with natural ability that we've got next to nothing out of. I've always thought it was a problem with the players. But when I think of the fables he has about knowing about Ronaldo, Ronaldinho.... Pele before they were even born ;) I even doubt he knows how to identify talent from young. He tries to present himself as some sort of all knowing football sage but if he had an inkling of how great these guys could have been, why the heck didn't he sign them? It makes him look bad every time.

[selassie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn81sO-WcAAYoGm.jpg

:haha:

Fuck off you prick

Sanogo's brother is on the horizon

It's tiring listening to or reading quotes, interviews or statements from the powers of be at our club. Boring worn out rhetoric about absolutely nothing at all.

These words from the spineless Gazidis are hollow, citing Leicester as an example is all well and fine but we are a million miles away from them in terms of organisation and working as a unit. Our recruitment and scouting is pretty lousy too, I find it ironic that he is citing the French Market as an example for where some hidden gems could be discovered, we have Grimandi dedicated to scouting French talent yet all he seems to do is pick up DUDS. A lot of talent has emerged from Ligue One over the past 5 years, it's the best generation of French players in quite some time yet we haven't picked up any of them, not one!

I'm done with this club, I'm not renewing my membership and will not put a penny into this club until we start competing again.

[Power n Glory]

To be honest, he's not going to get any results against the big boys this season, might even get the odd trouncing like a few years ago, not that he cares, it's water of a ducks back for his, he humiliates the club and all involved and still pretends he's doing nothing wrong.

We already know we won't beat Man U as we never do and now that Mourinho is around again, he'll make Wenger look like the amateur he is in our games.

The guy had a problem beating Pulis and Sam Allardyce FFS!

[Power n Glory]

It's tiring listening to or reading quotes, interviews or statements from the powers of be at our club. Boring worn out rhetoric about absolutely nothing at all.

These words from the spineless Gazidis are hollow, citing Leicester as an example is all well and fine but we are a million miles away from them in terms of organisation and working as a unit. Our recruitment and scouting is pretty lousy too, I find it ironic that he is citing the French Market as an example for where some hidden gems could be discovered, we have Grimandi dedicated to scouting French talent yet all he seems to do is pick up DUDS. A lot of talent has emerged from Ligue One over the past 5 years, it's the best generation of French players in quite some time yet we haven't picked up any of them, not one!

I'm done with this club, I'm not renewing my membership and will not put a penny into this club until we start competing again.

Exactly. We've been all over the French league for years. We've dedicated years there and constantly miss out on the best players.

[Gooner23]

Koscielny is a success story but cant think of many others in recent years.

[Niall_Quinn]

The fans need to throw all their toys out of the pram NOW if you want to see any signings this summer. With one voice, all directed at the frauds running this shit show.

And forget Xhaka and Hand Signals Boy, or the poor sod from Bolton whose career just hit the buffers. You thought Denilson was bad. Wait until you see Xhaka in action. Wenger is already drooling in the media about the many, "varied" possibilities he now has for cementing his tippety-tap nightmare. In effect we'd have been in a better position having signed none of these players. Very sad and unfair on Xhaka who looks to be an accomplished player, but Wenger will castrate him and we'll end up hating it every time he's announced in the team. Wait and see.

Coquelin, one of the few players with balls in our squad, is another one who will vanish off the map having "broken through" at the club that breaks players. Ozil and Alexis are as good as gone, dead men playing. Bellerin's agent has already said he'll be back for a bigger offer next season, barely concealed code for pay us a fuck load of cash to stick around in this nuthouse.

The nerve of Galizard using Leicester, who are everything we aren't, as comparison. You coward! Wenger has you whipped like a BDSM bitch. How are we doing in the corporate head to head against Utd, "Mr Sport"? You're getting a whipping there too. You should fuck off you incompetent, grovelling piss ant. All you are doing is collecting the extra cash that has fallen into the game because of the efforts of OTHER teams, like Leicester. Anyone can do that. What a deeply unimpressive nobody this fraud is.

Some shit better start hitting fans fast or these thieves are going to be able to sneak through another summer and make bank. If you really have lost all interest then fine, I get that. 12 years of watching a ball go tip, tap, tip, tap whilst getting robbed and arse raped can get old. But if you're going to be around then shout to everyone who's interested, Wenger and his cronies out. If that becomes the recurring theme over the next month, from every concerned fan, then maybe those fucks will get nervous and kick back a few quid in appeasement.

Even then, we'd have to hope the incompetent old fool can accidentally stumble on a team and tactics. Highly unlikely, but the alternative is season 13 of the same old shite. And then 14, 15 and 16 as a reward for whatever it is that the cunts in the board room think Wenger is doing. I guess they see all the cash and just assume the bloke has a clue.

[Kano]

It's tiring listening to or reading quotes, interviews or statements from the powers of be at our club. Boring worn out rhetoric about absolutely nothing at all.

These words from the spineless Gazidis are hollow, citing Leicester as an example is all well and fine but we are a million miles away from them in terms of organisation and working as a unit. Our recruitment and scouting is pretty lousy too, I find it ironic that he is citing the French Market as an example for where some hidden gems could be discovered, we have Grimandi dedicated to scouting French talent yet all he seems to do is pick up DUDS. A lot of talent has emerged from Ligue One over the past 5 years, it's the best generation of French players in quite some time yet we haven't picked up any of them, not one!

I'm done with this club, I'm not renewing my membership and will not put a penny into this club until we start competing again.

See you on 14th August then?

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GmMzkERq3U

[Marc Overmars]

I'll still follow our results but wont be spending any money on the club until something changes.

I know some people predict doom and gloom every summer, but I actually think this one feels a bit different (for me personally). I reckon the complacency levels are at record high now within the higher echelons of the club. This season really has the potential to be a shocker.

The managers you mentioned above will get their teams playing better, meanwhile it's not looking like we'll be pushing the boat out to strengthen. That combined with a manager with his head in the sand, and the rapidly growing discontent within the fanbase. It could all turn very ugly. Although perhaps that's what is needed to snap us out of autopilot.

If last season didn't produce a change in mentality then nothing will now. The truth is the majority of the fanbase are content with the risk averse nature of the club, the people at the top know this and that's why there is no willingness to push the boat out.

As far as I'm concerned our window of opportunity is firmly shut, the last 3 seasons should have produced at least one league title yet we haven't even challenged.

[Niall_Quinn]

But aversion to risk is fundamentally incompatible with sport. When you say "fan", what can that possibly mean if such a fan is averse to risk? Risk is everything. Risk the pass, risk the young player, risk the signing. Wenger wants to play football like chess is played. This is intensely boring and defeats the whole purpose of the sport, which is entertainment. What kind of fans do we have then that take up the seats at the match so they can watch the opposite of what they are supposed to be seeing? And what sort of fans would tolerate that? What have they done at Arsenal, purged the fans and replaced them with consumers? Or have they put something in the water to pacify everyone? I can't understand how so many fans accept this. Some will say, it's not a big deal, football isn't important, don't get fussed over it. But why watch at all then? Why go to the games? If t's just this thing that doesn't really matter much then why spend so much time and money on it? I don't get it. It's seems to be a form of counterproductive self abuse.

[Munchies]

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/jul_16/gun__1469185488_Unknown.jpeg

We remain in the market, so stay close to Arsenal.com for any further transfer news.


http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160722/arsenal-agree-deal-to-sign-rob-holding

ok mate

[Chippy]

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/jul_16/gun__1469185488_Unknown.jpeg

We remain in the market, so stay close to Arsenal.com for any further transfer news.


http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160722/arsenal-agree-deal-to-sign-rob-holding

ok mate
Good luck to the boy. He can't be any worse than Cygan, Sendordross or any other of the shit Wenger has bought to cover that position.

[Power n Glory]

Cheap bastards.

[Coney]

Good luck to the boy. He can't be any worse than Cygan, Sendordross or any other of the shit Wenger has bought to cover that position.

Although he gave us many heart attacks when he played, we never lost a game when Cygan was on the pitch.

[Kano]

Welcome to Rob Holding - hope all goes well for you son.

[Ralpheroo72]

Andre Schurrle has signed for Dortmund

[Kano]

Mane gives us something we didn't really have tbf, remains to be seen how he'll play but he's different to what we already had. Again, hideously expensive but there we go. At least we'll have someone who can stretch a defence if when Sturridge gets injured. Hopefully we can make some money with Benteke which would wipe out the Wijnaldum fee- in fact off the top of my head we'd be pretty much even for the window, with the likes of Balotelli (pray to God), Markovic, Luis Alberto and indeed Allen to go.

As for the rest, we're probably OK in terms of GK (Karius) and CB (Matip + this Klavan bloke as back up, Sakho cleared and Lovren looking halfway competent). This Grujic is looking like a unit in midfield, and with Henderson, Can, Milner, potentially Lucas and the odd youngster to come in as necessary. If needs be even the likes of Lallana could slot in for a bit. Depends on how we set up I guess how important another CM would be; I'd personally like a proper, defensive mid in there. My worry is actually the full backs; Moreno can't defend, and if Flanagan does go out on loan we have barely any cover on either side bar youngsters. I know we've been linked with Amavi who looked not-terrible in his few games for Villa, but we dont't know if his leg works anymore which would be a worry.
Well you've just signed Alex Manninger - happy days.

[GP]

Well you've just signed Alex Manninger - happy days.

???

The guy must be pushing 40 now.

[Bumble]

Welcome to Rob Holding - hope all goes well for you son.

player of the season at Bolton so cant be that bad. another one for the future or straight into the match day squad? Merts and Kos aint getting any younger both over 30.

will chambers now go out on loan?

[Bumble]

???

The guy must be pushing 40 now.

think I saw that is 39.

[Power n Glory]

player of the season at Bolton so cant be that bad. another one for the future or straight into the match day squad? Merts and Kos aint getting any younger both over 30.

will chambers now go out on loan?

We must have thrown the money at him because I can't see why he'd join us. We don't have a record of developing young centre backs and those we have tried to develop end up looking like a car wreck.

[Marc Overmars]

Holding. :bow:

What a man.

[Niall_Quinn]

Nothing to confirm Holding has been brought in as a defender. He could be the striker for all we know. L'Eejut got his hands on a perfectly capable young defender, Chambers, and started up his bullshit about the holding midfield role. He's an utter crackpot. Now he has another kid's career to ruin. So I hope the poor bastard is indeed getting paid plenty - it should be viewed as wages plus damages.

[GP]

Yeah yeah you can stop now.

[Kano]

player of the season at Bolton so cant be that bad. another one for the future or straight into the match day squad? Merts and Kos aint getting any younger both over 30.

will chambers now go out on loan?

He's had one season in the first team at Bolton, so I reckon he'll need time to adapt to the step up in level - I can't see him being first or second choice just yet. Chambers? I don't know. I really like him as a player but he needs to be allowed to be played in one position consistently. Central defence seems like the best choice for me.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC5LVLo0oag&feature=youtu.be

DT :bow:

[Özim]

player of the season at Bolton so cant be that bad. another one for the future or straight into the match day squad? Merts and Kos aint getting any younger both over 30.

will chambers now go out on loan?

Player of the season for a relegated club, not sure what that says. He's another project in a long list of failed projects, personally I would have steered clear and signed someone ready for the 1st team which is actually what we need.

He may turn out to be good, but it's a very small chance.

[Özim]

We must have thrown the money at him because I can't see why he'd join us. We don't have a record of developing young centre backs and those we have tried to develop end up looking like a car wreck.

Of course we threw money at him, that's what we do with kids, we attract all the best average kids by giving them massive paydays, doesn't help with motivation, once you're earning shedloads you probably want to go out and enjoy it.

[Özim]

Exactly. We've been all over the French league for years. We've dedicated years there and constantly miss out on the best players.

Our scouting system is frankly awful, can't identify signings never mind find top players that have been undiscovered, it's just like the manager and medical team, the whole club in fact a complete joke.

[Power n Glory]

Player of the season for a relegated club, not sure what that says. He's another project in a long list of failed projects, personally I would have steered clear and signed someone ready for the 1st team which is actually what we need.

He may turn out to be good, but it's a very small chance.

Bottom of the Championship. I didn't know that.

[Özim]

Bottom of the Championship. I didn't know that.

They managed to concede 81 goals, not sure how much that says about Holding (he featured 26 times), personally would have been more convinced if he'd been part of a more frugal defence but even then I would have had my doubts considering the level he's playing at.

Reminds me of when we signed Jenkinson tbh.

[dostoy]

I wonder if all these principles we have will go when Wenger leaves in 2020 when he is 70.

We are like no other club in Europe with all these self restricting principles that hold us back massively.

[rodders]

Have they any idea of what they are doing?Any idea at all.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Well you've just signed Alex Manninger - happy days.

Great player. I've always thought 1999 was the pinnacle of PL goalkeeping.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

@timpayton
All these fans saying Arsenal won't spend money. Pah. Board recently signed off on big bonuses for Gazidis & 'consultancy' fees for Kroenke

Not that Wenger can't and shouldn't be held accountable, but i think we are getting the question answered of what our spending would be like under another manager. Not a great deal different. Trying to claim that we are the poor man of the PL when mid table clubs are bidding 20m+ without batting an eyelid.

[Niall_Quinn]

Have they any idea of what they are doing?Any idea at all.

I'm sure they have a very keen sense of what they are doing. They have latched on to a sport and a fan base and they are sucking every last pound note they can from both. I don't think there's any complexity to it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm sure they have a very keen sense of what they are doing. They have latched on to a sport and a fan base and they are sucking every last pound note they can from both. I don't think there's any complexity to it.

yep Stan walks into a bank and says I have a majority stake in a club with 250million in the bank as an asset, lend me a ridiculous amount of money at an obscenely low interest rate.

[Niall_Quinn]

yep Stan walks into a bank and says I have a majority stake in a club with 250million in the bank as an asset, lend me a ridiculous amount of money at an obscenely low interest rate.

What an irritating distraction the football must be.

[Munchies]

French media saying Mahrez has decided to join Arsenal (Eurosport France)

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_FR/status/756761643904798720

:pray:

[Munchies]

His agent was at the game too...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoCaGhKWcAAESlK.jpg

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoCazhEWIAAI2X2.jpg

Give them Walcott too

:pray:

[Niall_Quinn]

So we'll have another player who can feed the striker we don't have?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Asano will love it.

[Letters]

So we'll have another player who can feed the striker we don't have?

Scored 17 league goals last season. I'd take him over Vardy

[Munchies]

So we'll have another player who can feed the striker we don't have?

Maybe play Alexis more central like he does for Chile?

[Munchies]

BREAKING: Sky in Italy: Gonzalo Higuain has medical with Juventus ahead of potential move from Napoli #SSNHQ

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/756796652942454784

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

94 million euros, supposedly; his release clause. Nearly 29 years old as well. Mental :wacko:

[Marc Overmars]

I guess that's a pretty clear sign they're going to sell Pogba, if they're prepared to meet Higuain's release clause.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I guess that's a pretty clear sign they're going to sell Pogba, if they're prepared to meet Higuain's release clause.

Yep it would appear so wouldn't it

[Chippy]

So we'll have another player who can feed the striker we don't have?

You moany bugger! Damned if we, damned if we don't!:)

[Gooner23]

I'm very sceptical about this Mahrez link, sounds like some journo has seen his agent at the Arsenal game and run with a story from that. Pretty sure we're not allowed to just have discussions with the player without Leicester's permission.

[Kano]

His agent has said he was at the game but it had nothing to do with transfers.

He's probably just trying to get a better contract at Leicester.

[Munchies]

If we bid like £60m+ for Higuain, we might've given Napoli something to think about

Guy is probably the only proper goalscorer on the market right now

[Niall_Quinn]

You moany bugger! Damned if we, damned if we don't!:)

For the 5th season in a row, we need a striker. Nothing is happening at this club until we sort that problem out. Galizard and Wenker have different ideas though.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Agent has denied the rumour, says he's staying at Leicester. Move along nothing to see here

[Niall_Quinn]

Agent has denied the rumour, says he's staying at Leicester. Move along nothing to see here

At least our rumours are being processed efficiently.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

For the 5th season in a row, we need a striker. Nothing is happening at this club until we sort that problem out. Galizard and Wenker have different ideas though.

Has it really been that long. :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Has it really been that long. :doh:

15th Aug 2012 was when we sold RVC who had bagged 30 league goals in the 2011/12 PL season and then of course went on to fire Utd to a title with 26 more league goals.

[Chippy]

For the 5th season in a row, we need a striker. Nothing is happening at this club until we sort that problem out. Galizard and Wenker have different ideas though.

He is not even coming. Pointless argument, pointless fucking football club.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The search for the golden Duck lives on.....

[Munchies]

Mahrez just scored this

https://streamable.com/yi3z

Wow!

[Munchies]

@mohamedbouhafsi
Pas encore d'accord entre Leicester et Arsenal pour Mahrez ! Leicester bloque pour le moment. Le joueur est intéressé par les Gunners !

Not yet agreement between Leicester and Arsenal for Mahrez! Leicester blocks at the moment. The player is interested in the Gunners!

get in!

This guy seems to be a legit reporter. Already 300RTs in a few mins

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoDMsWVWYAA9wlM.jpg

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Hmmm...

[Kano]

Twatter :lol:

[selassie]

He is not even coming. Pointless argument, pointless fucking football club.

Yep, we're just being used to lay down the groundwork for Chelsea, Man United, Man City, Another Big Club that is ambitious in the market. Mahrez may well actually want to play for us but we would never pay the fee Leicester will demand for him.

Nothing to see here.

[Niall_Quinn]

Higuain to Juventus almost done apparently. Other reports say Mahrez wants to come but the club haven't contacted anyone at Leicester. With a month still to go, shouldn't we at least be trying to string these rumours out? How could contacting Leicester hurt? We could string a whole 2 weeks with just a phone call and then there would be just another two weeks to get through until the wallet threatening window slams shut.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Was thinking they have Dybala but remembered they play a 352 which is actually something, given the right personnel I wouldn't mind us using.

The exodus that most expected hasn't happened... so whilst we have him I'd love to see Theo used as a central forward particularly if we signed Mahrez. We still have looked the most fluid in years when he has played in that position and he's obviously well rested now!

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2016/07/23/25884932/wenger-issues-transfer-warning-to-arsenal-fans-we-might-have?utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fout.newsfusion.com% 2Fredirect.html

Lol, same old lines.

"Everybody has the handbrake on"
"Nobody wants to sell"

"Little bit poker game that we are the only club playing"

Wanker - what a wanker :lol:

[GP]

http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2016/07/23/25884932/wenger-issues-transfer-warning-to-arsenal-fans-we-might-have?utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fout.newsfusion.com% 2Fredirect.html

Lol, same old lines.

"Everybody has the handbrake on"
"Nobody wants to sell"

"Little bit poker game that we are the only club playing"

Wanker - what a wanker :lol:

"The Gunners boss insists the club is “very active” in its pursuit of new signings but admits other teams are reluctant to sell their players"

Hahahaha what a cunt hahahahahahaha

[Japan Shaking All Over]

"The Gunners boss insists the club is “very active” in its pursuit of new signings but admits other teams are reluctant to sell their players"

Hahahaha what a cunt hahahahahahaha

We'll start offering close to what they are asking instead of sticking stubborning to what your own valuation is......give or take.......a quid

Papers saying 75mil for Mahrez and Lacazette.......seems fair enough to me

[Niall_Quinn]

"The Gunners boss insists the club is “very active” in its pursuit of new signings but admits other teams are reluctant to sell their players"

Hahahaha what a cunt hahahahahahaha

Yeah, Wenker is quite the liar and almost everyone has figured that out. Nobody believes Galizard either. Mainly because they are lying bastards.

[Munchies]

"The Gunners boss insists the club is “very active” in its pursuit of new signings but admits other teams are reluctant to sell their players"

Hahahaha what a cunt hahahahahahaha

Fans like you are the reason we are an embarrassment.

We've heard him being busy before then signing fuck all :lol:

[dostoy]

I'm sure the prices have gone up since last year.

If he is after a striker, which surely he must be, then why not get Mario Gomez ?

I know he is 31 but he has been a prolific goalscorer everywhere he has been and is used to playing with Ozil.

He is an upgrade on Giroud and would surely improve us, he would not have a huge price tag either.

I say we should but of course it won't happen.

[GP]

Fans like you are the reason we are an embarrassment.


Says the guy who agrees with DT, who is the worst human being in the world.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I'm waiting till the window shuts to tear into him, but another window like last summer's would be unforgivable.

[Power n Glory]

Vietto to join Barcelona. Young striker. Small fee. Anyone see him play?

We're taking one heck of a gamble if we're waiting for deadline day. Doesn't look like we're active but not too long to find out. Doesn't really matter either way. If we don't sign anyone, you can only pray Wenger does something totally different so we're not watching the same trainwreck.

[Niall_Quinn]

Vietto to join Barcelona. Young striker. Small fee. Anyone see him play?

We're taking one heck of a gamble if we're waiting for deadline day. Doesn't look like we're active but not too long to find out. Doesn't really matter either way. If we don't sign anyone, you can only pray Wenger does something totally different so we're not watching the same trainwreck.

Since when does he do anything different?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm waiting till the window shuts to tear into him, but another window like last summer's would be unforgivable.

Last summer's window was unforgivable. I really wouldn't wait to rip the old fart a new one. If he can make it through another window without adding the players we need to the squad then he'll grab that opportunity. He'll need to be heavily pressured into acting or he won't act at all.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm going to judge him at the end of the window.

Then I'm going to judge him in May.

[Power n Glory]

I'm going to judge him at the end of the window.

Then I'm going to judge him in May.

:lol: Last season was enough. I lost all faith in his ability as a manager. Benefit of the doubt has gone out the window with Wenger. Heck, it's so bad I've even stopped to think if Fat Sam is right about not being given a fair crack at the top.

[Niall_Quinn]

How far can he push it. Two years ago it was, yes he should go but his legacy is the great teams he built in the past. A year ago it was, he should go before he ruins his legacy. Now it's fuck his legacy, just get the fuck out. If he does get another 3 year contract he'll be despised by the end of it and his legacy will be in ruins. I can't understand how he doesn't see that. He must be totally out of touch.

[Globalgunner]

How far can he push it. Two years ago it was, yes he should go but his legacy is the great teams he built in the past. A year ago it was, he should go before he ruins his legacy. Now it's fuck his legacy, just get the fuck out. If he does get another 3 year contract he'll be despised by the end of it and his legacy will be in ruins. I can't understand how he doesn't see that. He must be totally out of touch.

Nothing more dangerous than a man whose life is fixated on one thing. No other reason to live except what hes currently doing. Hes the Ayatollah of Islington. Couple that with everyone he meets telling him hes doing a great job, who listens to complaints by insignificant microbes.

[Letters]

I'm going to judge him at the end of the window.

Then I'm going to judge him in May.

See, I suspect you're WUMming but when else do you judge how a transfer window or season has gone?

[LDG]

See, I suspect you're WUMming but when else do you judge how a transfer window or season has gone?

He's already been judged a failure. It's not up for judgement anymore. All that prevails is utter demoralisation and frustration.

Yes. I know we won't have another manager, and Wenger is here to stay. But that doesn't mean he has a clean slate, or even the chance to prove me and others wrong. He blew that a few years ago.

We all know what's going to happen.

MO isn't WUMming. He's ripping the piss out of you.

[Letters]

No, he doesn't get a clean slate but you judge any season or transfer window at the end.
That's just obvious.
This place really has gone to the dogs if an obviously true statement like that is deemed worthy of ridicule.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, he doesn't get a clean slate but you judge any season or transfer window at the end.
That's just obvious.
This place really has gone to the dogs if an obviously true statement like that is deemed worthy of ridicule.

Well if you keep resetting the clock like some groundhog day, or groundhog season in Wenger's case, then I guess there's no point ever judging him because there's always a fresh reset around the corner. Or, at some point, maybe say after 12 years, you have to ask who gives a fuck what he does because we all know the outcome. He won't change. We won't admit he's wrong, he won't take advice, he won't even allow club legends a say without sniping back at them. The guy's had it. Even if by some miracle fluke he landed a treble, and believe me it would be a miracle fluke and not a planned course, it's still way, way past too late for him. Has any other supposedly top manager ever had so much time at an allegedly elite club to get it right? I doubt it. So how many more seasons? One, Two, Ten? There has to be an end to this surely? At some point, somewhere in our future, somebody is going to have to stand up and tell the guy he's done.

As LDG said, the judgement has long since happened. What a fuck up last season was. For the want of a few goals that we already knew we'd lack when we went through the summer only signing a keeper, there went another title. And now here we are again, already into pre-season and the same problem is still there. The guy has learned absolutely nothing. He's still prattling on about value and quality in a market that has gone bonkers in terms of the finances and has fallen into a pit in terms of the quality. But this is the reality and if the guy can't hack it then he needs to GTFO. But he's not leaving, the board don't want him to leave, so it's up to the fans to force him to leave. And that means getting on his case and staying on his case. Fuck giving him a 193rd chance. He exhausted every ounce of goodwill years ago.

[Munchies]

http://i.imgur.com/9GI35ne.jpg

[Munchies]

Says the guy who agrees with DT, who is the worst human being in the world.

DT is the hero that we don't deserve. He will get rid of Wenger

[Power n Glory]

No, he doesn't get a clean slate but you judge any season or transfer window at the end.
That's just obvious.
This place really has gone to the dogs if an obviously true statement like that is deemed worthy of ridicule.

MO said he'd judge Wenger. He didn't say judge the season or how the transfer window has gone. A slight mix up.

[Kano]

If DT is the leader, the army might as well kill themselves now.

[Kano]

https://youtu.be/VY_4HU7-UE0

This guy looks quite good. Cheeky bid?

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWOGG_iZ17Y

[Munchies]

https://youtu.be/VY_4HU7-UE0

This guy looks quite good. Cheeky bid?

:gp:

Top class

[fakeyank]

Have we finished 4th yet? Cant wait for the 2017 season! :scarf:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Still got that crazy celebration I love!

[selassie]

No, he doesn't get a clean slate but you judge any season or transfer window at the end.
That's just obvious.
This place really has gone to the dogs if an obviously true statement like that is deemed worthy of ridicule.

Letters, we are the most predictable club in World Football right now. In some ways we are the laughing stock for the simple fact that you could bet a large amount of money on predicting that we will most likely finish somewhere in the top 4 but not FIRST. We are the worlds best losers. In terms of the Transfer Window we operate in the most comical manner, we operate in our own market in a world where we pride ourselves on setting the market value on potential recruits. We are not unlucky in the market, we are consistently involved in collapsed deals and long drawn out sagas because of the way we operate. As others have said Wenger has had his trial and he's miserably failed, he leaves us short every season and we all know we won't be winning either of PL or CL this season or any forthcoming seasons with Wenger in charge. His methods are way too flawed.

[Marc Overmars]

Napoli want Icardi to replace Higuain. :lol:

[Letters]

MO said he'd judge Wenger. He didn't say judge the season or how the transfer window has gone. A slight mix up.

This is the summer transfer thread..

[Özim]

This is the summer transfer thread..

Still making excuses, not much changes round here....

[Özim]

http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2016/07/23/25884932/wenger-issues-transfer-warning-to-arsenal-fans-we-might-have?utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fout.newsfusion.com% 2Fredirect.html

Lol, same old lines.

"Everybody has the handbrake on"
"Nobody wants to sell"

"Little bit poker game that we are the only club playing"

Wanker - what a wanker :lol:

LeClown hasn't got a clue, all the other clubs are managing to sign players ok, it's just us really, the butt of footballs' jokes. The guy always has an excuse for his incompetence, trouble is he's got nothing left to hide behind now, for years he hid behind the money excuse, now that's gone he's coming up with all kinds of other nonsense because he hasn't got the guts or inclination to bring in quality players, for a start they may challenge his methods and secondly he doesn't want to risk the profits and thus leave himself with nothing left to praise himself for at the end of the season.

[Letters]

Still making excuses
:blink: I have literally no idea how that follows on from my post.

[Power n Glory]

This is the summer transfer thread..

You still have to read what others are saying in order to reply properly. The gist of the discussion is that there isn't anything Wenger can do in this window or this season to change what people think of him.

[Letters]

You still have to read what others are saying in order to reply properly. The gist of the discussion is that there isn't anything Wenger can do in this window or this season to change what people think of him.

So let's all pack up and go home till he leaves then.
And whatever people think of him, this is the transfer thread. Is it unreasonable to think that people should stick to discussing how people feel about potential signings rather than endless:

We don't sign anyone: Wenger's a ****, why isn't he signing anyone?
There are rumours of a player people don't rate: Wenger's a ****, why would we want him?
There's rumours about signing Messi: Wenger's a ****, it doesn't matter who we sign while he's in charge. Wenger out!

Is this how it's going to be all sodding season?

We get off to a bad start: Wenger's a ****, why didn't he sign enough players?
We get off to a good start: Wenger's a ****, we're only going to collapse?

:yawn:

Is that what every single thread has to be reduced to? Don't you find it tiresome? I know I'm not the only person who does.

[Munchies]

So let's all pack up and go home till he leaves then.
And whatever people think of him, this is the transfer thread. Is it unreasonable to think that people should stick to discussing how people feel about potential signings rather than endless:

We don't sign anyone: Wenger's a ****, why isn't he signing anyone?
There are rumours of a player people don't rate: Wenger's a ****, why would we want him?
There's rumours about signing Messi: Wenger's a ****, it doesn't matter who we sign while he's in charge. Wenger out!

Is this how it's going to be all sodding season?

We get off to a bad start: Wenger's a ****, why didn't he sign enough players?
We get off to a good start: Wenger's a ****, we're only going to collapse?

:yawn:

Is that what every single thread has to be reduced to? Don't you find it tiresome? I know I'm not the only person who does.

Well when it's the same shit year in year out for 12 years, it's to be expected

We need Wenger out of our club.

[Power n Glory]

So let's all pack up and go home till he leaves then.
And whatever people think of him, this is the transfer thread. Is it unreasonable to think that people should stick to discussing how people feel about potential signings rather than endless:

We don't sign anyone: Wenger's a ****, why isn't he signing anyone?
There are rumours of a player people don't rate: Wenger's a ****, why would we want him?
There's rumours about signing Messi: Wenger's a ****, it doesn't matter who we sign while he's in charge. Wenger out!

Is this how it's going to be all sodding season?

We get off to a bad start: Wenger's a ****, why didn't he sign enough players?
We get off to a good start: Wenger's a ****, we're only going to collapse?

:yawn:

Is that what every single thread has to be reduced to? Don't you find it tiresome? I know I'm not the only person who does.

Amen to that.

There isn’t anything to discuss on potential signing. :lol: The conversation has gone down this route because of what Gazidis and Wenger have said in the press.

You do realise you prolong these sort of conversations on Wenger the more you react to them? Personally, I’m tired of the conversation and there isn’t anything anyone can say to change my mind on how I feel. It would be great if there was something else to discuss but there really isn’t much because we’re not doing anything worthwhile in the market.

[Letters]

We need Wenger out of our club.
Really?
Someone really should have said...

[Niall_Quinn]

Really?
Someone really should have said...

It has been implied many times. You need to read between the lines.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The Wenger In/Wenger out debate has been done to death

It seems beyond me to imagine that he could somehow change sufficiently to be the kind of manager we need him to be

The only way to remain sane, is to be happy if we make decent signings and just shrug shoulders indifferently if/when we don't

The same applies to Arsenal games and results.

Anything else is simply not worth my energy.

[Letters]

You do realise you prolong these sort of conversations on Wenger the more you react to them?
Well, maybe. But they are taking over every sodding thread. I, and others, are getting sick of it.
The Euros was a brief respite although even then the usual suspects took opportunities here and there to snipe where they could.
This is going to go on all season no matter how we do, it seems. It is all getting rather tiresome. And I guess the other point of view is Wenger being here is tiresome. But whatever we think of that he's clearly going to be our manager this season, screaming "Wenger Out!" on a messageboard no-one of any import reads at every opportunity isn't going to change that.

[Letters]

The Wenger In/Wenger out debate has been done to death

It seems beyond me to imagine that he could somehow change sufficiently to be the kind of manager we need him to be

The only way to remain sane, is to be happy if we make decent signings and just shrug shoulders indifferently if/when we don't

The same applies to Arsenal games and results.

Anything else is simply not worth my energy.

I don't even think there is any debate any more. Most of us think Wenger should go. The thing I find tiresome is the way people act like he's the stupidest person on God's green Earth and literally criticise EVERYTHING he says or does.

Wenger says cancer is bad...what a ****, why isn't he signing strikers rather than pontificating about that?
Wenger signs Messi...what a ****, I bet he plays him in goal.
etc.

And I'm the idiot for saying that a transfer window or season should be assessed at the end? :blink:
Whatevz...

[Power n Glory]

Well, maybe. But they are taking over every sodding thread. I, and others, are getting sick of it.
The Euros was a brief respite although even then the usual suspects took opportunities here and there to snipe where they could.
This is going to go on all season no matter how we do, it seems. It is all getting rather tiresome. And I guess the other point of view is Wenger being here is tiresome. But whatever we think of that he's clearly going to be our manager this season, screaming "Wenger Out!" on a messageboard no-one of any import reads at every opportunity isn't going to change that.

Oh for sure. Hence why I’d said a couple times that I hope fans do something different this season and stay away from games or whatever they need to do to get the message across. There is no point in moaning about it all the time. But there is a reason why the conversation bleeds into so many others. It all comes back around to the same topic. I can’t get carried away with talks of signing a new player because I have zero faith in the manager and don’t trust the manager. So mid flow through a conversation when thinking one signing can change everything, I snapback to reality. :lol: If only one signing could change everything. That’s delusional.

I think I’d take Wenger committing to playing Sanchez or Walcott up front or trying a two striker system other a massive signing this summer. I need an indication that he’s had a shift in his thinking and approach tactically. Spending big bucks isn’t enough for me to really change how I feel. But hey...this is too much Wenger talk. Season just needs to kick off.

[Letters]

Fans staying away en masse is the only way to affect change IMO. Won't happen though, too many (literal) tourists.

[Power n Glory]

I don't even think there is any debate any more. Most of us think Wenger should go. The thing I find tiresome is the way people act like he's the stupidest person on God's green Earth and literally criticise EVERYTHING he says or does.

Wenger says cancer is bad...what a ****, why isn't he signing strikers rather than pontificating about that?
Wenger signs Messi...what a ****, I bet he plays him in goal.
etc.

And I'm the idiot for saying that a transfer window or season should be assessed at the end? :blink:
Whatevz...

You really enjoy the conversation! :lol: You're prolonging it.

In other news, Chesney will extend his loan with Roma. Good or bad news? A chance to switch this topic.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I do think there is an argument that a culture exists where people will blame and or criticise Wenger for anything

However this don't judge him until the end of the transfer window doesn't hold much water. If we bought a quality player tomorrow it still arguably has been left too late to settle the player into the club before the start of the new season.

He had targets and appeared to move quickly for them, but having gone for one and been stumped for the other he has gone to do punditatry work for the Euros and then appears to be prevaricating when his rivals are far more decisive.

At any normal club a manager would be under pressure to up their game, and wouldn't be allowed to go off moonlighting for a month.

So yes he deserves criticism, and people are understandably frustrated that despite supporters venting their frustrations he seems just not to care and content to carry on as he always has.

I haven't "banged on" about this like I might have done a year ago because it bores me, but to suggest there are no grounds for criticism in this specific instance seems rather to miss the point.

[Letters]

In other news, Chesney will extend his loan with Roma. Good or bad news? A chance to switch this topic.
I think Chesney's OK but not as good as he thinks he is. I'm happy enough with Ospina as a backup for Cech, he did well when Cech was injured last season.

[Kano]

So let's all pack up and go home till he leaves then.
And whatever people think of him, this is the transfer thread. Is it unreasonable to think that people should stick to discussing how people feel about potential signings rather than endless:

We don't sign anyone: Wenger's a ****, why isn't he signing anyone?
There are rumours of a player people don't rate: Wenger's a ****, why would we want him?
There's rumours about signing Messi: Wenger's a ****, it doesn't matter who we sign while he's in charge. Wenger out!

Is this how it's going to be all sodding season?

We get off to a bad start: Wenger's a ****, why didn't he sign enough players?
We get off to a good start: Wenger's a ****, we're only going to collapse?

:yawn:

Is that what every single thread has to be reduced to? Don't you find it tiresome? I know I'm not the only person who does.

I'm looking forward to seeing football back again in a few weeks. I'm resigned to the fact nothing will change under Wenger but I love my club and will continue following them closely regardless. My expectations are lower but crying about it in every post is pointless too. It's actually quite funny watching the levels of dementia rise as people keep saying one thing and then do another online. Crazily, even though my brain tells me logically that the same cycle will repeat again this season, my heart is trying to kid me into believing just a little once again, as nearly every football fan does across the country. If fans have no hope left at all in them, it's best to take a break and come back in a season or two. It's self-defeating otherwise.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I would rather have Szczesny back here as i think Ospina is worse (if that's possible) than Almunia.

However what i will say is that I do back Wenger in sending him out on loan, smoking in the changing rooms is an act of total disrespect and Wenger is right to no longer see him as part of his plans if he can't act like a professional.

[Letters]

However this don't judge him until the end of the transfer window doesn't hold much water. If we bought a quality player tomorrow it still arguably has been left too late to settle the player into the club before the start of the new season.
I said you judge a transfer window or season at the end. There is no counter argument to that. You can judge Wenger whenever you like but actually surely we just care how Arsenal do. Obviously those things are entangled. Yes, he deserves criticism, when did I say there were no grounds for criticism? But does EVERYTHING he does or say deserve derision? Not really. There's an absolutely massive middle ground, any attempt to take it is met with howls of derision and claims that people are sucking Wenger's cock. It's that which is tiresome.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I said you judge a transfer window or season at the end. There is no counter argument to that. You can judge Wenger whenever you like but actually surely we just care how Arsenal do. Obviously those things are entangled. Yes, he deserves criticism, when did I say there were no grounds for criticism? But does EVERYTHING he does or say deserve derision? Not really. There's an absolutely massive middle ground, any attempt to take it is met with howls of derision and claims that people are sucking Wenger's cock. It's that which is tiresome.

So basically the issue you have is not that the judgement is premature, but that there is no sense of perspective or measured thought in the criticism

Welcome to the Internet

[Letters]

I'm looking forward to seeing football back again in a few weeks. I'm resigned to the fact nothing will change under Wenger but I love my club and will continue following them closely regardless. My expectations are lower but crying about it in every post is pointless too. It's actually quite funny watching the levels of dementia rise as people keep saying one thing and then do another online. Crazily, even though my brain tells me logically that the same cycle will repeat again this season, my heart is trying to kid me into believing just a little once again, as nearly every football fan does across the country. If fans have no hope left at all in them, it's best to take a break and come back in a season or two. It's self-defeating otherwise.

It is the hope that kills you :lol:
I do have some hopes for this season, we DO have a good squad. IMO it's good enough to challenge. We DID just finish 2nd...
We need more up front but we should have plenty of goals in this side anyway. We're not that far away from a side that can win the league in my view, leaving aside the obvious reason we might not challenge. Squad wise we're not far off.

[Letters]

So basically the issue you have is not that the judgement is premature, but that there is no sense of perspective or measured thought in the criticism

Welcome to the Internet

:lol:

I guess... :(

[Power n Glory]

I think Chesney's OK but not as good as he thinks he is. I'm happy enough with Ospina as a backup for Cech, he did well when Cech was injured last season.

Ospina did ok last season but I hope we keep Chesney. He has character. I just hope he comes back a better keeper.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ospina did ok last season but I hope we keep Chesney. He has character. I just hope he comes back a better keeper.

He did OK because he hardly played. That's how I like it best

[Marc Overmars]

It is the hope that kills you :lol:
I do have some hopes for this season, we DO have a good squad. IMO it's good enough to challenge. We DID just finish 2nd...
We need more up front but we should have plenty of goals in this side anyway. We're not that far away from a side that can win the league in my view, leaving aside the obvious reason we might not challenge. Squad wise we're not far off.

We've been quietly building a squad for years, it's been a while since we sold any key players. Every year though it's the same: we need a striker, a CB, a spine, 1-2 players away, injury crisis etc.

This is why waiting to pass judgment is a bit of a fallacy. He's had ample opportunity to give it a good go but for whatever reason he's proven to be incapable of challenging for the league. I think people can be forgiven for not taking any solace in our squad not being far off, as it only serves as a reminder that nothing has changed.

[Letters]

He did OK because he hardly played. That's how I like it best

Only 4 times, actually. I thought it was more. Hmm. Well...he's OK as a back up in my view, even with our injury record I doubt (he says, stupidly tempting fate) we'll have a 'keeper out for a long time.

[Özim]

Well, maybe. But they are taking over every sodding thread. I, and others, are getting sick of it.
The Euros was a brief respite although even then the usual suspects took opportunities here and there to snipe where they could.
This is going to go on all season no matter how we do, it seems. It is all getting rather tiresome. And I guess the other point of view is Wenger being here is tiresome. But whatever we think of that he's clearly going to be our manager this season, screaming "Wenger Out!" on a messageboard no-one of any import reads at every opportunity isn't going to change that.

If the guy did his job and stopped making lame excuses it might help, instead he continues to come out with BS when every other club is quietly getting on with it's business without even the smallest excuse. All he does is disappoint people time after time, the worst manager we could have in terms of entertainment value or excitement, he's the definition of a bore and so is his philosophy.

Expect him to be schooled by the big boys again next season and not because of money (a convenient excuse in the past) but because he can't cut it in any aspect of modern day football.

[Özim]

It is the hope that kills you :lol:
I do have some hopes for this season, we DO have a good squad. IMO it's good enough to challenge. We DID just finish 2nd...
We need more up front but we should have plenty of goals in this side anyway. We're not that far away from a side that can win the league in my view, leaving aside the obvious reason we might not challenge. Squad wise we're not far off.

Wow we finished 2nd really? If we'd have finished 5th or 6th it would have been no less entertaining or deserved, we were awful for most of the season, the most meaningless 2nd place in history perhaps, though in truth noone really cares about being 2nd, because you're still a loser a tag which befits him well.

Just like you Wenger will take great pride from this car crash 2nd place and you can see from the summer already clearly feels which pretty much there and will be challenging next season.

We were a million miles from winning the league and we will be again next season like we always are.

[Power n Glory]

We've been quietly building a squad for years, it's been a while since we sold any key players. Every year though it's the same: we need a striker, a CB, a spine, 1-2 players away, injury crisis etc.

This is why waiting to pass judgment is a bit of a fallacy. He's had ample opportunity to give it a good go but for whatever reason he's proven to be incapable of challenging for the league. I think people can be forgiven for not taking any solace in our squad not being far off, as it only serves as a reminder that nothing has changed.

We're on verge of seeing that team break apart. I think this could be the last see of Ozil and Sanchez.

[Letters]

We've been quietly building a squad for years, it's been a while since we sold any key players. Every year though it's the same: we need a striker, a CB, a spine, 1-2 players away, injury crisis etc.

This is why waiting to pass judgment is a bit of a fallacy. He's had ample opportunity to give it a good go but for whatever reason he's proven to be incapable of challenging for the league. I think people can be forgiven for not taking any solace in our squad not being far off, as it only serves as a reminder that nothing has changed.
You judge a season at the end. There is no counter argument to that.
The rest of your post is an elaborate 'Wenger Out'. OK, we got it.

[Letters]

If we'd have finished 5th or 6th it would have been no less entertaining or deserved, we were awful for most of the season, the most meaningless 2nd place in history perhaps
And if we'd finished 5th or 6th you would no doubt be using it as evidence of our decline under Wenger. You move the goalposts constantly to fit whatever allows you to criticise Arsenal the most.


Just like you Wenger will take great pride from this car crash 2nd place
Lazy straw man arguement, not worth a response.

[Özim]

And if we'd finished 5th or 6th you would no doubt be using it as evidence of our decline under Wenger. You move the goalposts constantly to fit whatever allows you to criticise Arsenal the most.


Lazy straw man arguement, not worth a response.

2nd, 5th, 6th, 10th it doesn't matter to me I want him out and have for quite a while, he's been shown to be too amateurish and can't hack it in the modern game, nothing changes with him, no excitement, no hope no nothing and that's the reason he can't leave quick enough for me, IMO he's not a good manager.

It's not a lazy argument it's a fact, Wenger will be proud of being 2nd because in the end he's a loser, he accepts coming 2nd/3rd/4th every season and it gives him great pride, so does the shower of shite we play week in week out that he likes to call football and the fact he can penny pinch but doesn't think twice about wasting millions on unknowns and kids.

He's finished and it's just a shame he's too blind to see it himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

We're on verge of seeing that team break apart. I think this could be the last see of Ozil and Sanchez.

This is the key. Wenger's inaction and crazy view of value in a valueless environment will probably see us end up without the striker we need - AGAIN. However, this time around that's the lesser problem. The big problem will come next season when the value still won't be there, the fees will be even crazier and we won't just need a striker, we'll also need 2 world class players to replace Ozil and Alexis. Probably more. Kos and Bellerin could well walk out the door with them. So that's £300million that will need to be spent. Or we could spend £100mill now and prevent the impending collapse. In terms of Wenger's value judgements, what's better? £100mill now, or £300mill later? Of course he won't spend either amount. In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the club is rather looking forward to the pay day looming that will see us make healthy profits.

[Letters]

2nd, 5th, 6th, 10th it doesn't matter to me I want him out and have for quite a while
So noted. Now this is the thread about transfers. How about we talk about that, not reduce every single thread to whining about that.

[Özim]

So noted. Now this is the thread about transfers. How about we talk about that, not reduce every single thread to whining about that.

Ok let's do it.

:tumbleweed:

I'd love to talk about transfer but (as usual) there's not much to talk about really as there's none happening, should we talk about other clubs' transfers like some people have been doing as it seems to be the only transfer activity there it to talk about?

I have to say it but where's the sense in waiting until the end of the transfer window to sign players, why not sign players early in the transfer window or fairly early even (like most clubs) and bed them in, I know it sounds crazy but I thought I should mention it.

[Letters]

Not much to talk about really as there's none happening
Ok, then there's nothing to talk about on this thread until there are other rumours flying around.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you are a fan that wants to attend matches to watch football the how is staying away en masse a solution to the Wenger problem? That's a concession, not a solution. If they didn't have a queue of plastics waiting to jump in then okay, staying away hits the bottom line and carries weight. But we know there's a queue of consumers who have more money than sense and want in on the flashy stadium and prawn sandwiches. So forget about staying away, it won't make a blind bit of difference in terms of the bottom line for the club and it won't influence anything. If you are staying away because you don't want to be robbed of a fortune in return for the abject shite served up every week, then that's a different matter and makes sense.

It's a similar thing with the apathy argument. How is saying nothing going to influence Wenger? Fans should be on his case 24/7. Get him riled. Get him angry. Get him making a fool of himself with all those stupid excuses he has. Let him embarrass himself in the media. Let the media see him falling apart. Let that pressure build until he's driven out. THAT'S how you get rid of Wenger. You make him so toxic, such a comedy figure that the board fear damage to the reputation of their nice little earner. Then they'll act.

Stay away, stay quiet. That's precisely what the club would want to see from all those who refuse to drink the Wengerjuice.

[Letters]

Posting on here isn't getting on his case, I seriously doubt he or anyone he knows reads this place. So how do we get on his case?
If staying away en masse affected the finances then it would be more effective.
In reality I agree that there are a lot of people forming an orderly queue but attendances have fallen.
Arsenal, like all big clubs, are a business. We have the power because all their money comes from us, directly or indirectly. While people continue to fill the stadium and fill the cash registers in all the Arsenal shops there is no reason for the board to change things.

[Niall_Quinn]

So noted. Now this is the thread about transfers. How about we talk about that, not reduce every single thread to whining about that.

Refusal to spend, refusal to sign a striker. That's what this thread has mostly been about has it not?

The *******s that are ruining it for everyone, I suppose you mean by that the people who don't agree with you? Why are the views of people who, after 12 seasons watching the same old shit, are fed up of this man and his antics any less worthy than your own? What are we trying to build here? A positive vibe, motivational coaching platform? Or it is a sounding board for footie fans? Isn't it usual that diverse opinions will exist when people get together to talk football.

As for EVERYTHING Wenger does being criticised, well that's easily understandable too. Some fans are starting to HATE the bloke and I can fully understand that. He's that major problem but he's such a selfish git he refuses to bend, refuses to accept that trail of failure stretched out behind him. When you get a man as stubborn as that, as selfish as that, you are going to get big reactions.

Judge him at the end of the transfer window? Which one? This one, the last one, the one where he brought that lump Giroud in? What difference does it make? He fucks them all up, one way or another. Always leaves us short in a critical area.

[Niall_Quinn]

Posting on here isn't getting on his case, I seriously doubt he or anyone he knows reads this place. So how do we get on his case?
If staying away en masse affected the finances then it would be more effective.
In reality I agree that there are a lot of people forming an orderly queue but attendances have fallen.
Arsenal, like all big clubs, are a business. We have the power because all their money comes from us, directly or indirectly. While people continue to fill the stadium and fill the cash registers in all the Arsenal shops there is no reason for the board to change things.

Don't be facetious. Here, twatter, facetube, talkshite, everywhere. If everywhere explodes into an anti-Wenger movement and that becomes the general sentiment then that's how it's done. On GW, I don't know who posts here and then heads off to twatter. Maybe somebody, maybe nobody. If points are raised here and then transported elsewhere and that process builds then all the little 0.00001% effective comments add up to one overall sentiment, and that's how the Internet works. Otherwise there would just be one web site where the world posted.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ok, then there's nothing to talk about on this thread until there are other rumours flying around.

Well, there's the lack of activity to talk about. Perfectly valid and that's what people have been doing.

[Özim]

Posting on here isn't getting on his case, I seriously doubt he or anyone he knows reads this place. So how do we get on his case?
If staying away en masse affected the finances then it would be more effective.
In reality I agree that there are a lot of people forming an orderly queue but attendances have fallen.
Arsenal, like all big clubs, are a business. We have the power because all their money comes from us, directly or indirectly. While people continue to fill the stadium and fill the cash registers in all the Arsenal shops there is no reason for the board to change things.

Thing is Arsenal is not like all big clubs, it's unique in that it really takes the fans for a ride, spends very little, charges the highest prices, barely wins a thing and also patronises the fans, no other big club does this, nor do they stick with a manager who has failed to deliver success for so long.

No other big club would get away with behaviour like this to be honest, but somehow this club does and if I'm honest I don't know how, but I do see those people still 100% behind Wenger and I just don't understand that either because the truth is he's done nothing to deserve this loyalty, yes he won a few titles many moons ago, but in reality he take's the mickey out of these people on a regular basis and they just accept it and thank him for it which I do find odd.

It would make more sense to me if he was more humble and acknowledged his failings, but the way he behaves these days really doesn't make him in likeable, he's runing his reputation and his image now.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Tolisso, an apparent Arsenal target, on his way to Napoli it seems. :( http://www.football-italia.net/88314/napoli-eye-tolisso-option

[Niall_Quinn]

2nd, 5th, 6th, 10th it doesn't matter to me I want him out and have for quite a while, he's been shown to be too amateurish and can't hack it in the modern game, nothing changes with him, no excitement, no hope no nothing and that's the reason he can't leave quick enough for me, IMO he's not a good manager.

It's not a lazy argument it's a fact, Wenger will be proud of being 2nd because in the end he's a loser, he accepts coming 2nd/3rd/4th every season and it gives him great pride, so does the shower of shite we play week in week out that he likes to call football and the fact he can penny pinch but doesn't think twice about wasting millions on unknowns and kids.

He's finished and it's just a shame he's too blind to see it himself.

If he doesn't see it then he's the absolute fool that some claim he isn't. If he does see it then he's a deeply dishonest person. It's one or the other.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tolisso, an apparent Arsenal target, on his way to Napoli it seems. :( http://www.football-italia.net/88314/napoli-eye-tolisso-option


Corentin Tolisso is a French footballer who currently plays for French side Olympique Lyonnais. He can play as either a central midfielder or as a right back.

Did we even need him?

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Martial to Arsenal? He can walk into our number 9 shirt if he likes!! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/692983/Anthony-Martial-Manchester-United-Arsenal-shirt-Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-transfer-news-gossip

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Did we even need him?
Think we'll need right back cover when debuchy leaves!!

[Letters]

Refusal to spend, refusal to sign a striker. That's what this thread has mostly been about has it not?
Mostly tiresome whining about anything we do, don't do, are being rumoured to do. Whatever we do or don't do people moan.

The *******s that are ruining it for everyone, I suppose you mean by that the people who don't agree with you?
It's not people about disagreeing. It's good to disagree, discussion is based on disagreement. But lazy straw man arguments, endless goalpost shifting, saying that anything which doesn't slag Wenger off is 'sucking his cock', WUMming, those things are what ruin threads and, when overdone as is now happening, ruin the whole message board.

As for EVERYTHING Wenger does being criticised, well that's easily understandable too.
No, it really isn't. Wenger needs to go but that doesn't mean everything he does or says is idiotic. The deeply personal nature of abuse about everything he says or does from some on here is utterly ridiculous. Why does it bother me? Is it because I like sucking his cock? :rolleyes:. No, it's just tiresome and boring and pointless.

Judge him at the end of the transfer window?
No, judge THE TRANSFER WINDOW at the end. Judge Wenger when you like.

[Niall_Quinn]

Martial to Arsenal? He can walk into our number 9 shirt if he likes!! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/692983/Anthony-Martial-Manchester-United-Arsenal-shirt-Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-transfer-news-gossip

Do we want a player like this?


The France striker also changed his Facebook profile picture to launch his new brand 'AM9', while he put a snap wearing his old United 9 shirt as his cover photo.

He already has a shirt brand and he's done fuck all in football yet? Fucking crazy. It's not about the football any more. I wish we'd landed Vardy - an old school bastard who gets it.

[Özim]

No, judge THE TRANSFER WINDOW at the end. Judge Wenger when you like.

The guy insists on dragging this on until the 31st August or whenever the transfer window shuts, three weeks after the season has started which is laughable, anyone with any common sense at all would get most of their transfers done before the season started, but not Mr Wenger of course, because as always he likes to do things differently, the illogical way.

So far the transfer window has been a disaster and if we don't sign at least top striker and central defender by the time we play our 1st match it will have been a disaster end of.

[Marc Overmars]

Martial to Arsenal? He can walk into our number 9 shirt if he likes!! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/692983/Anthony-Martial-Manchester-United-Arsenal-shirt-Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-transfer-news-gossip

That would be absolutely insane. :lol:

Obviously will never happen but I'd gladly have him here.

[Özim]

Do we want a player like this?



He already has a shirt brand and he's done fuck all in football yet? Fucking crazy. It's not about the football any more. I wish we'd landed Vardy - an old school bastard who gets it.


If I'm honest, I think he's overrated, scored a few goals last season but he's not all that, like you said hasn't achieved anything in his career yet.

17 goals in 49 games is OK, I guess he's only 20 which is obviously a plus point, but I'm not a big fan, Man U won't sell him to us anyway, they only let us have sh*t like Silvestre for a laugh.

If he goes and it's a big IF he'll probably end up at PSG.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Mourinho wouldn't sell him to us and the United fans would be up in arms. They weren't happy over Welbeck