Jamie Vardy - BBC Sport - Vardy set to reject Arsenal

[Letters]

You're entitled to your opinion, but we agree we should move on (I suspect we won't, we tend to let these things drag on). As for Janssen, Spurs don't even need him they already have a guy scoring a hatful up front, for 12 million though it's woth a punt, that's nothing in today's market, if he scores a hatful he'll be worth a fortune if not it's just 12 million, we'd probably get some of that back, plus at 21 he's got lots of time ahead of him.

This is why Vardy might be worth a punt though, in today's market £20m really isn't that much.
You could spend twice that and more on a different player with no guarantee they'd get more goals.

[Özim]

This is why Vardy might be worth a punt though, in today's market £20m really isn't that much.
You could spend twice that and more on a different player with no guarantee they'd get more goals.

He's 20 million due to his age, 29 is peak age for a footballer after this it's generally downhill, even more so because he relies on his pace. I just don't get this signing to be honest, it'd be different if we already had a goalscorer, but we don't and yet this is the guy we put our faith in, a guy with an overall average record.

Let me also remind you Man City paid 20 million for Gundogan.

[Özim]

Non-league is low level but he scored enough goals to bring him to Leicester's attention and yes, his record at Leicester is as you say. He has had 2 seasons in the Championship and 2 in the Premier League.
In both pairs he struggled in his first season and did better in his second as he got used to the new level.
I do think last year was probably his best ever year, I doubt he'll top it, but over his whole career he's scored goals.
You wouldn't expect a player from the non-league to come straight into the top leagues and be scoring at the same rate but his speed of improvement gives signs for hope that he'll get a reasonable number of goals over the next few years.
His record is scoring goals at every level he's played at, including international level recently. If you look at the record of any striker playing at a new level - usually this would be at a young age - then there will generally be some poor seasons and then improvement, that's what we see with Vardy.
And the period of adjustment argument doesn't meant he'll get 5 goals for us, what kind of reasoning is that? I didn't say anything about a new club, it was a step up in level. We are in the same league as Leicester.

Yeah Leicester because to be honest they didn't have a lot of money to spend and weren't a big club so players in non league was maybe a good option for them, Leicester had an exceptional season last season as did a few of their players, to me it would appear it's as good as it gets for some these players, Mahrez is the one that stands out really, he's clearly got a lot of natural talent.

Vardy IMO has had one good season in 4 and considering 2 were in the championship that's not that great, I personally think if we do signing the guy will struggle and the pressure will build if he fails to score in his first few games and he could end up with a handful of goals at the end of the season.

That Janssen guy would be a better bet because he seems to be cheaper, younger and would have some resale value.

[Power n Glory]

It's rare for a player to make it so late in his career so he's a bit of an unknown quality, I doubt he'll have another season quite that good again but he is a goal scorer and we could do with one.

We don't need him if he can't manage more than 24 goals in all comps. It's the same amount Giroud scored but we also had cup games to play. He has to be able to have a bigger season than what he had with Leicester otherwise it's a pointless move.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah Leicester because to be honest they didn't have a lot of money to spend and weren't a big club so players in non league was maybe a good option for them, Leicester had an exceptional season last season as did a few of their players, to me it would appear it's as good as it gets for some these players, Mahrez is the one that stands out really, he's clearly got a lot of natural talent.

Vardy IMO has had one good season in 4 and considering 2 were in the championship that's not that great, I personally think if we do signing the guy will struggle and the pressure will build if he fails to score in his first few games and he could end up with a handful of goals at the end of the season.

That Janssen guy would be a better bet because he seems to be cheaper, younger and would have some resale value.

Well we'd have to move quick according to the Mirror Spurs have already agreed a deal with him.

[Özim]

Well we'd have to move quick according to the Mirror Spurs have already agreed a deal with him.

Yes I saw and seems to be 12 million which is peanuts, he would be worth a punt especially at that price, shame we don't seem interested and instead seem to be happy to wait on a journeyman.

[Özim]

We don't need him if he can't manage more than 24 goals in all comps. It's the same amount Giroud scored but we also had cup games to play. He has to be able to have a bigger season than what he had with Leicester otherwise it's a pointless move.

I agree, we've been crying out for a goalscorer who can get us 25 goals a season, I doubt Vardy will deliver that.

I'd prefer to bring in a younger player who could at least have the potential to offer us that at some stage.

[Kano]

You're entitled to your opinion, but we agree we should move on (I suspect we won't, we tend to let these things drag on). As for Janssen, Spurs don't even need him they already have a guy scoring a hatful up front, for 12 million though it's woth a punt, that's nothing in today's market, if he scores a hatful he'll be worth a fortune if not it's just 12 million, we'd probably get some of that back, plus at 21 he's got lots of time ahead of him.

The Spuds do absolutely need one or two more strikers in their squad if they want to continue to challenge for the title and compete in the CL league. One of the things that let them down last year was no-one beyond Kane being available to score. This transfer would complete sense for them.

[Özim]

The Spuds do absolutely need one or two more strikers in their squad if they want to continue to challenge for the title and compete in the CL league. One of the things that let them down last year was no-one beyond Kane being available to score. This transfer would complete sense for them.

Thing is at least they have a striker that will score 25 goals a season, we don't so our need is more pressing.

[Kano]

I agree, we've been crying out for a goalscorer who can get us 25 goals a season, I doubt Vardy will deliver that.

I'd prefer to bring in a younger player who could at least have the potential to offer us that at some stage.

But isn't this the issue? Trying to improve on what we have right now is the important thing. Janssen may be cheap but could take longer to adjust and is more of a gamble in that respect. Right now we would be potentially be paying for less of a gamble, comparatively. All we have to judge Janssen on is one season and so you have judge like-for-like with Vardy. We are also paying more for a British player, one that was the second highest scorer in the league last season and you know already that you pay over the odds for British players transferring within the league.

Ideally it would be good to take both players and see what happens but if it's a choice between the two - and as sceptical as I am about Vardy - I'd go with him. What I don't understand from your perspective is why you keep talking about going for the cheaper option. You always berate Wenger for being cheap and here he is, taking a risk someone that a lot of 'experts' rate highly and think this would be a good buy. I hate using that as some form of credential, but the only reason I do is because I have seen that you place value in the pundits and use their opinions to confirm what you think is right. The price tag at these levels do not matter and it is ironic you are looking at penny pinching and saving money, when you dig into the manager in every other post about the same thing.

It's the same with the Xhaka thing, pretty much dismissing the player because we paid a healthy fee for someone unknown to us. As much bullshit we are fed by the media and 'experts' about players in other leagues, we don't know it all, in fact there are plenty of players that would improve our squad that are not highlighted by the UK media. If that wasn't the case, there would only be 20/30 players only ever worth buying. The other way to look at Wenger in this situation is, if he is willing to pay £30m for a player, he probably is very good. When has he ever taken a chance like this before?

[Kano]

Thing is at least they have a striker that will score 25 goals a season, we don't so our need is more pressing.

Sure but what if Kane gets injured? He can't remain injury free forever. Spurs need for quality alternatives is just as strong. Just like City, Utd and Liverpool. Spurs big mistake last season was relying too heavily on one striker and not having strong enough back-up once Dembele and Alli were suspended.

[Özim]

But isn't this the issue? Trying to improve on what we have right now is the important thing. Janssen may be cheap but could take longer to adjust and is more of a gamble in that respect. Right now we would be potentially be paying for less of a gamble, comparatively. All we have to judge Janssen on is one season and so you have judge like-for-like with Vardy. We are also paying more for a British player, one that was the second highest scorer in the league last season and you know already that you pay over the odds for British players transferring within the league.

Ideally it would be good to take both players and see what happens but if it's a choice between the two - and as sceptical as I am about Vardy - I'd go with him. What I don't understand from your perspective is why you keep talking about going for the cheaper option. You always berate Wenger for being cheap and here he is, taking a risk someone that a lot of 'experts' rate highly and think this would be a good buy. I hate using that as some form of credential, but the only reason I do is because I have seen that you place value in the pundits and use their opinions to confirm what you think is right. The price tag at these levels do not matter and it is ironic you are looking at penny pinching and saving money, when you dig into the manager in every other post about the same thing.

It's the same with the Xhaka thing, pretty much dismissing the player because we paid a healthy fee for someone unknown to us. As much bullshit we are fed by the media and 'experts' about players in other leagues, we don't know it all, in fact there are plenty of players that would improve our squad that are not highlighted by the UK media. If the wasn't the case, there's only be 20/30 players only ever worth buying. The other way to look at Wenger in this situation is, if he is willing to pay £30m for a player, he probably is very good. When has he ever taken a chance like this before?

Possibly, but Vardy will also take time to adjust as we have a different style, different players etc he's shown from his record he doesn't hit the ground running.

My preference for Janssen is simple, he's younger and has got time to improve, Vardy is at his peak and it will be downhill from here and his record other than last season is nothing to ride home about (whereas the other guy is 21 so you can't judge his record really).

I talk abut going for the cheaper option in this case because the cheaper player has potential and could become a top player, so in a straight choice between him an Vardy I prefer Janssen due to his potential and the fact he'll be around for much longer. Obviously I'd prefer a Lewandowski but it's clear we're not going for top strikers, we don't even attempt to and just watch other clubs snap them up so there's no point even talking about those.

As for Xhaka, I'm not dismissing him as much, he may be very good, I just think 33 million for a player noone knows is very steep, especially when a household name like Gundogan went for 20 million. But it is what it is, I hope he's as good as what we paid but the truth is I know nothing about him and I can't say he's stood out when playing for Switzerland as a world beater either but time will tell. If he's as good as we hear that's fantastic, it just seems a lot for someone unknown that's all, especially when we scoff at the price of some more established names.

[Özim]

Sure but what if Kane gets injured? He can't remain injury free forever. Spurs need for quality alternatives is just as strong. Just like City, Utd and Liverpool. Spurs big mistake last season was relying too heavily on one striker and not having strong enough back-up once Dembele and Alli were suspended.

I don't disagree, but at least they have someone with goals in them, we don't and that's my issue.

[Power n Glory]

Should we be looking at Higauin?

[Özim]

Should we be looking at Higauin?

Yes we should, him and Janssen would be ideal, a guy who guarantees goals and a younger player with potential, Liverpool are apparently interested.

We never get the top strikers though, we're never willing to pay up for them, Suarez, Higuain are proof of that.

[Power n Glory]

Yes we should, him and Janssen would be ideal, a guy who guarantees goals and a younger player with potential, Liverpool are apparently interested.

We never get the top strikers though, we're never willing to pay up for them, Suarez, Higuain are proof of that.

We really messed up ditching Higauin for Suarez because we ended up with nothing at all in the end.

With Vardy, I'd suggest we keep him as an option because it would be criminal if we end up with nothing again. We can't go into another season depending on Giroud.

But we should be making a move for Higuain without question.

[I am invisible]

Yes we should, him and Janssen would be ideal, a guy who guarantees goals and a younger player with potential, Liverpool are apparently interested.

We never get the top strikers though, we're never willing to pay up for them, Suarez, Higuain are proof of that.

Yeah, I think we're gonna have to try and unearth the next big thing, if we ever want to see a real elite striker at the club - can't see us ever paying what it takes for anyone who's already made a name for themselves, especially with so few of them around and demand so high?

In the meantime, maybe we can work around the problem, or at least make it less of an issue? If we had another wide forward as good as Sanchez on the other side, for example, then could we get away with having a striker who is only 'very good', rather than 'elite'? I kind of feel that this CF issue is becoming a bit of a cop out now - if we can't inject more world-class into the side through the CF spot, then we should be looking at doing it somewhere else...

[Marc Overmars]

Spuds open talks with Janssen. :lol:

[Power n Glory]

FFS! Why are we so slow on this?

[Özim]

FFS! Why are we so slow on this?

Looks like because we'd rather wait on a 29 year old journeyman who doesn't even seem that bothered about coming.

FFS the one time you want Wenger to sign someone younger he does the opposite.

[Kano]

FFS the one time you want Wenger to sign someone younger he does the opposite.

:lol: Come on, you've got to see the funny side about that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I agree, sounds like he won't be making the decison til after the euros, by which time other clubs will probably be sniffing around. I really hope we're not putting all our eggs in one basket... again.

Don't worry, we'll have learned from our mistakes in the past.

[Power n Glory]

Looks like because we'd rather wait on a 29 year old journeyman who doesn't even seem that bothered about coming.

FFS the one time you want Wenger to sign someone younger he does the opposite.

:doh: How is he not on our radar? We've really lost our touch in the scouting department.

[Xhaka Can’t]

:doh: How is he not on our radar? We've really lost our touch in the scouting department.

Nah, just lacking little bit sharpness.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Just one google search should be enough to tell people about Janssen. No need for scouting there. :lol:


And :doh: this is shaping up to be another frustrating window.

[GP]

Just one google search should be enough to tell people about Janssen. No need for scouting there. :lol:


And :doh: this is shaping up to be another frustrating window.

Is it?

Xhaka wrapped up early. Vardy pretty much done. Likely another forward coming in too.

It's far too early to be getting worked up.

[Marc Overmars]

Of course if the Vardy move doesn't materialise then questions will need to be asked but for now we have shown more intent that usual.

[Kano]

Just one google search should be enough to tell people about Janssen. No need for scouting there. :lol:


And :doh: this is shaping up to be another frustrating window.

I'm not sure how this Janssen guy could be construed as a screw up. He is just potential at this stage and surely we've had enough of gambling on that? Let's just see what happens with Vardy. As MO says above, if we do put all our eggs in one basket and bodge things up, then we can start pointing fingers. The transfer market has not started gearing up properly yet. Still another 11 weeks of this nonsense to go.

[Power n Glory]

Of course if the Vardy move doesn't materialise then questions will need to be asked but for now we have shown more intent that usual.

I'm not so sure about that. We almost always make an early signing in the summer and then it gets really quiet in the middle until deadline day. It's really early but the season we signed Debuchy, Chambers, Sanchez, Ospina and Welbeck can go down as a season where we showed early intent.

I'm not so concerned about intent. It's just about making the right choices. If you look at the window I just mentioned, we blew a lot of money on players that are already on their way out of the club.

[Özim]

I'm not sure how this Janssen guy could be construed as a screw up. He is just potential at this stage and surely we've had enough of gambling on that? Let's just see what happens with Vardy. As MO says above, if we do put all our eggs in one basket and bodge things up, then we can start pointing fingers. The transfer market has not started gearing up properly yet. Still another 11 weeks of this nonsense to go.

I agree Janssen is potential, but what is Vardy, he's certainly need not proven quality, this is a bit like the Welbeck signing for me odd, we could have just paid up and tried to get someone top class like Higuain for example, instead we cut corners and sign a possible one season wonder.

As for Janssen the only player we've even signed who's scored lots of goals before we signed him was Eduardo and he was decent before his injury, all the other players we've signed up front barely had a goal between them in the last 10 years, so Janssen would be a change from that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think the point Le Grove makes a lot and I tend to agree with is that we've had the same scouting team for years, and you can't help but think that's detrimental. Are we really turning over stones everywhere? Looking in leagues that are largely overlooked?.

[Özim]

I'm not so sure about that. We almost always make an early signing in the summer and then it gets really quiet in the middle until deadline day. It's really early but the season we signed Debuchy, Chambers, Sanchez, Ospina and Welbeck can go down as a season where we showed early intent.

I'm not so concerned about intent. It's just about making the right choices. If you look at the window I just mentioned, we blew a lot of money on players that are already on their way out of the club.

Yes we did when we signed Podolski, nothing out of the ordinary here really.

I agree about the right choices, too often we make the wrong ones, Xhaka I have no idea about but Vardy for me would be wrong.

[Power n Glory]

Just one google search should be enough to tell people about Janssen. No need for scouting there. :lol:


And :doh: this is shaping up to be another frustrating window.

Wifi connection might be down at the Emirates in that case.

[Letters]

It's far too early to be getting worked up.
It is never, NEVER too early or too late to moan one's tits off.


GW :bow:

[Kano]

I agree Janssen is potential, but what is Vardy, he's certainly need not proven quality, this is a bit like the Welbeck signing for me odd, we could have just paid up and tried to get someone top class like Higuain for example, instead we cut corners and sign a possible one season wonder.

As for Janssen the only player we've even signed who's scored lots of goals before we signed him was Eduardo and he was decent before his injury, all the other players we've signed up front barely had a goal between them in the last 10 years, so Janssen would be a change from that.

Welbeck never scored that many in a season and let's face it, even if given that sort of run, would never get figures that high. There have been one season wonders before but I can't remember one pretty much being the top scorer in the league and then tailing off into nothing. The only one I can think of is Kevin Phillips and in the two seasons where Sunderland massively overachieved with two 7th place finishes, he got a very healthy 48 in 80 games.

I'm not sure the Eduardo comparison holds up too well. He'd at least had a few seasons scoring goals and playing in Europe and I tend to think we look back a bit favouarbly him at Arsenal in terms of what he achieved pre-injury, probably due to what happened to him. His stats were pretty middle of the road before the injury I think.

If we are looking at buying a player that can potentially be an improvement on Giroud straight away, then buying the leagues second highest scorer is a safer bet. Every transfer is a risk to a certain degree and the gamble we would have to take on Janssen immediately being better than Giroud is higher I think. Price doesn't really matter and shouldn't be a concern to us either. Otherwise you end up sounding like Wenger. And you don't want that surely Zim?

[Kano]

I think the point Le Grove makes a lot and I tend to agree with is that we've had the same scouting team for years, and you can't help but think that's detrimental. Are we really turning over stones everywhere? Looking in leagues that are largely overlooked?.

Xhaka may indicate something different in that respect. Not exactly one of the many over-hyped names banded around everywhere.

[Özim]

It is never, NEVER too early or too late to moan one's tits off.


GW :bow:

I'd say that's more to do with the way the club does things than the way we think.

[Letters]

You moan your tits off whatever we do, so not really.

[Özim]

Welbeck never scored that many in a season and let's face it, even if given that sort of run, would never get figures that high. There have been one season wonders before but I can't remember one pretty much being the top scorer in the league and then tailing off into nothing. The only one I can think of is Kevin Phillips and in the two seasons where Sunderland massively overachieved with two 7th place finishes, he got a very healthy 48 in 80 games.

I'm not sure the Eduardo comparison holds up too well. He'd at least had a few seasons scoring goals and playing in Europe and I tend to think we look back a bit favouarbly him at Arsenal in terms of what he achieved pre-injury, probably due to what happened to him. His stats were pretty middle of the road before the injury I think.

If we are looking at buying a player that can potentially be an improvement on Giroud straight away, then buying the leagues second highest scorer is a safer bet. Every transfer is a risk to a certain degree and the gamble we would have to take on Janssen immediately being better than Giroud is higher I think. Price doesn't really matter and shouldn't be a concern to us either. Otherwise you end up sounding like Wenger. And you don't want that surely Zim?

No he didn't but there was nothing exciting about the signing, there's plenty of players who have scored goals in one season and never really reproduced any near as many, Adebayor, David White, Phillips (as you mentioned), Ramsey, Michu, Andy Johnson, Roque Santa Cruz, Vardy is only 2nd scorer in the league as he played for the team that won the title which makes a difference.

I think Eduardo's finishing was very good for us before his injury (felt we should have signed Huntelaar personally at the time, another error there, but that's Wenger for you).

Vardy isn't a safe bet at all due to his record, a safer bet than Janssen.....who knows Janssen could turn out to be like RVN at least he has potential, to have scored that many at 21 bodes well, both a gamble but one is younger and can improve, the other won't and is prime candidate to be a one season hit.

I just don't trust this signing, plus Pochettino has a decent record of discovering players and he's trying to sign Janssen which bodes well.

[Özim]

You moan your tits off whatever we do, so not really.

That's because we've done loads wrong in the last decade, it's taken you 10+ years to wake up to it, I guess some of us are just a bit quicker on the uptake.

[Kano]

No he didn't but there was nothing exciting about the signing, there's plenty of players who have scored goals in one season and never really reproduced any near as many, Adebayor, David White, Phillips (as you mentioned), Ramsey, Michu Andy Johnson, Roque Santa Cruz, Vardy is only 2nd scorer in the league as he played for the team that won the title which makes a difference.

I think Eduardo's finishing was very good for us before his injury (felt we should have signed Huntelaar personally at the time, another error there, but that's Wenger for you).

Vardy isn't a safe bet at all due to his record, a safer bet than Janssen.....who knows Janssen could turn out to be like RVN at least he has potential, to have socred that many at 21 bodes well, both a gamble but one is younger and can improve, the other won't and is prime candidate to be a one season hit.

Of course but it works the other way round too. Leicester won the league in large part because of Vardy's goals, he was integral to that. All of those guys you listed above got in and around the same level of league goals that Giroud has in his Arsenal career, so nothing like Vardy. The only real comparable one is Adebayor for one season and I think we can look at the two players attitude on the pitch and see the difference immediately. Adebayor has never been wanting for ability, but his big-headed approach and greed ruined his career. Vardy plays one way and I don't think either of us can see that changing. For me it all comes down to if he can fit into our style or if Wenger is trying to change how we play.

What I said is Vardy is a safer bet, not a safe bet. We are comparing the two strikers and the risk is higher with Janssen, you can agree to that. As I said, buying both would be ideal given how cheap the Dutch kid appears to be but I don't see it as a disaster with we miss out on a gamble. We've spent long enough punting on young unknowns.

[Özim]

Of course but it works the other way round too. Leicester won the league in large part because of Vardy's goals, he was integral to that. All of those guys you listed above got in and around the same level of league goals that Giroud has in his Arsenal career, so nothing like Vardy. The only real comparable one is Adebayor for one season and I think we can look at the two players attitude on the pitch and see the difference immediately. Adebayor has never been wanting for ability, but his big-headed approach and greed ruined his career. Vardy plays one way and I don't think either of us can see that changing. For me it all comes down to if he can fit into our style or if Wenger is trying to change how we play.

What I said is Vardy is a safer bet, not a safe bet. We are comparing the two strikers and the risk is higher with Janssen, you can agree to that. As I said, buying both would be ideal given how cheap the Dutch kid appears to be but I don't see it as a disaster with we miss out on a gamble. We've spent long enough punting on young unknowns.

Yes they did, but if you play for a team that wins the league and you have a good season yourself (maybe your best season, likely at his age, peak age for footballers) you're likely to score more goals than someone playing for a team who come 7th. Johson scored 21 in37 games for Palace in the league (not far of for a team who didn't come near winning the league) so very comparable, the fact his team won the league would mean Vardy would in all likelyness get more. Yes Adebayor's temperament was questionnable, but he had more talent than Vardy, in addition I think all were younger than Vardy and not at their peak.

Is he a safer bet, possibly it's hard to gauge though, the only thing he has going for him is that he's played in the PL, but then he played in the PL the season before as well and only got 5 goals so.

[Kano]

We could spend all day bringing up this and that but I think the bottom line is that a bid for Vardy is on the table and Janssen is likely to go to Spurs, so we have to hope that any reservations we have are proved wrong if he turns up at our club. And if he doesn't, that the club aren't just relying on this one striker as a possible solution.

[Power n Glory]

No he didn't but there was nothing exciting about the signing, there's plenty of players who have scored goals in one season and never really reproduced any near as many, Adebayor, David White, Phillips (as you mentioned), Ramsey, Michu, Andy Johnson, Roque Santa Cruz, Vardy is only 2nd scorer in the league as he played for the team that won the title which makes a difference.

I think Eduardo's finishing was very good for us before his injury (felt we should have signed Huntelaar personally at the time, another error there, but that's Wenger for you).

Vardy isn't a safe bet at all due to his record, a safer bet than Janssen.....who knows Janssen could turn out to be like RVN at least he has potential, to have scored that many at 21 bodes well, both a gamble but one is younger and can improve, the other won't and is prime candidate to be a one season hit.

I just don't trust this signing, plus Pochettino has a decent record of discovering players and he's trying to sign Janssen which bodes well.

Eduardo knew how to finish. Intelligent in the box and I get that sort of vibe from watching Janssen's finishing.

Eduardo didn't play that much for us before his leg break. Was restricted to a lot of odd league games and was played on the wing wasn't he? Only until after Christmas did he get a run in the team. He was scoring in the cup games when he started but in the league he never started back to back games until after Christmas and then we made a differnce scoring goals and making assists. I think he only ever started 19 games in total all season but scored in 12 goals with 9 assists. Not bad at all.

Smart finisher. It's shame what happened to him. In Janssen, I see similar traits of a smart finisher. Plus he's both footed. Not sure why we're not moving for him and why we're not discovering strikers anymore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Anyone heard anymore about Mkhitaryian, don't really care about Vardy it's unlikely we are going to hear anymore about that until 11th July now.

[GP]

Anyone heard anymore about Mkhitaryian, don't really care about Vardy it's unlikely we are going to hear anymore about that until 11th July now.

All we know is that Dortmund are looking to sell.

Some sources say we've got a bid in but no more than that.

I'd love him here, though.

[Özim]

Anyone heard anymore about Mkhitaryian, don't really care about Vardy it's unlikely we are going to hear anymore about that until 11th July now.

This would be a good signing, however several other clubs are interested apparently Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool so if we don't get a move on we could end up missing out.

Really with 1 year left on his contract we should be able to snap him up, can't imagine Dortmund would let him leave for free next season, only issue for us is if Spurs and Chelsea come in for him, might be a struggle to convince him to come then.

This on is believable is that he's going cheap and we know how much Wenger loves a bargain.

[Maestro]

Anyone heard anymore about Mkhitaryian, don't really care about Vardy it's unlikely we are going to hear anymore about that until 11th July now.

Not to worry Ingurlund will be back home very soon, two weeks in fact

[I am invisible]

Guys, I think I know why the deal has stalled...

There's a Jamie Vardy lookalike out there! (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jamie-vardy-lookalike-would-devastated-8140100?)

He's even a postman! Seriously, what are we waiting for?

[GP]

We've already got a postman.

[I am invisible]

We've already got a postman.

Yeah, but think how devastating our attack would be with two!

[Munchies]

A mate of mine told me that him and Theo share the same agent, did a search and it all seemed to fall it place

http://keysports.co.uk/

Guy is being led by a scrote

[I am invisible]

A mate of mine told me that him and Theo share the same agent, did a search and it all seemed to fall it place

http://keysports.co.uk/

Guy is being led by a scrote

Certainly knows how to get his clients a better deal than they're worth though!

[Niall_Quinn]

Certainly knows how to get his clients a better deal than they're worth though!

Ronnie Biggs, The Pink Panther, Theo Walcott, just a few of his illustrious clients.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ronnie Biggs, The Pink Panther, Theo Walcott, just a few of his illustrious clients.

Was also George Zimmermans defence attorney

[Grebbo]

Be quite amazing if he turns us down and stays at Leicester. I can't see what else he can achieve at Leicester and this is probably his one shot to play for a big club.

I'm not excited at all about him joining us. It's not because of his ability it's just the fact that he's such an ugly looking little scrote.

[I am invisible]

Fair play to him, if he does decide to stay at Leicester - I guess the money's gonna be ridiculous anywhere in the Prem these days, and he'll probably never buy another drink in his life if he stays where he is (unless he goes to his local Wagamamas or Tsuru).

I could have seen him working well here, but I'll not be crushed if he decides against it - would be a short-term fix at best. Always felt like a quick-fire, opportunistic bid to me - something that we probably found out about quite late, and thought it might be worth trying our luck with before we have to start getting into bidding wars for bigger names, and spending obscene sums? I'd be surprised if we didn't have other targets thouigh, and, like Grebbo says, he's an ugly fucker, so whatever

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I really can't see why Leicester would be bidding for Deeney if he wasn't leaving.

[Özim]

I really can't see why Leicester would be bidding for Deeney if he wasn't leaving.

Probably because they have CL football next season and having won the league have money and need to strengthen their squad.

[Özim]

Fair play to him, if he does decide to stay at Leicester - I guess the money's gonna be ridiculous anywhere in the Prem these days, and he'll probably never buy another drink in his life if he stays where he is (unless he goes to his local Wagamamas or Tsuru).

I could have seen him working well here, but I'll not be crushed if he decides against it - would be a short-term fix at best. Always felt like a quick-fire, opportunistic bid to me - something that we probably found out about quite late, and thought it might be worth trying our luck with before we have to start getting into bidding wars for bigger names, and spending obscene sums? I'd be surprised if we didn't have other targets thouigh, and, like Grebbo says, he's an ugly fucker, so whatever

You shouldn't be because we've done this many times before.

[Kano]

It's hard to believe anything regarding what we are being told.

Now apparently City haven't even spoken to Aubameyang or Dortmund, when a couple of days back it was pretty much in the bag.

[selassie]

You shouldn't be because we've done this many times before.

Aye, I think Vardy is an opportunist punt, he's relatively cheap in the current market and represents good "short term" value for money or whatever it is Arsene says.

If we don't get him I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't buy a striker and go into the season with what we have, Giroud first choice and Theo as backup.

[Kano]

Aye, I think Vardy is an opportunist punt, he's relatively cheap in the current market and represents good "short term" value for money or whatever it is Arsene says.

If we don't get him I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't buy a striker and go into the season with what we have, Giroud first choice and Theo as backup.

We're definitely going to buying at least one striker - the big question mark will be the quality of them.

[fakeyank]

We're definitely going to buying at least one striker - the big question mark will be the quality of them.

You a new Arsenal fan? The lengths to which this manager will go to troll Arsenal fans knows no bounds. There is a higher possibility that he will bring Sanogo back and parade him as the next Adebayor than buy a semi-decent striker.

[GP]

Nah

[dostoy]

No we will buy a new striker, that is certain.

If that tight git brought Sanogo back he mould be murdered.

I still say that guy from Marseille (Michy Batshuayi) and Vincent Janssen from AZ Alkmaar and get rid of Walcott.

[Kano]

You a new Arsenal fan? The lengths to which this manager will go to troll Arsenal fans knows no bounds. There is a higher possibility that he will bring Sanogo back and parade him as the next Adebayor than buy a semi-decent striker.

Just a realistic one.

[fakeyank]

Just a realistic one.

Realistically we shouldve never got Kallstrom either or played Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela on the wings or sorted our issues with set pieces etc etc..

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Probably because they have CL football next season and having won the league have money and need to strengthen their squad.

Of course.

[Coney]

Vardy got an offer and did not bite our hand off. We need people who see it as an opportunity too good to miss. He can go stick his head in a dead bears bum.

[Niall_Quinn]

Strongest indication yet that Vardy is joining us. The DM has started on the hit pieces.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3640929/Jamie-Vardy-seen-holding-nicotine-pouches-Red-Bull-England-striker-gears-Wales-clash-Euro-2016.html

Looks like a done deal to me. Welcome to Arsenal. Better get used to this shit. Ozil can give you some pointers, if he's not too busy bribing police chiefs or stealing a living.

[fakeyank]

Why are we still after this cunt? He can fuck off.. we need to be looking elsewhere.

[Özim]

Why are we still after this cunt? He can fuck off.. we need to looking elsewhere.

:goodpost: If the best we can do is an average one season wonder who doesn't even seem bothered about coming we should give up now.

[Toronto Gooner]

... Ozil can give you some pointers, if he's not too busy bribing police chiefs or stealing a living.

Sorry, but I seem to have missed the news reports on this issue. Can you explain?

[Niall_Quinn]

Sorry, but I seem to have missed the news reports on this issue. Can you explain?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689423/Mesut-Ozil-laid-Emirates-hospitality-Met-police-officers-24-hours-assault-investigation.html

Unsurprisingly the claim was never repeated and faded away quietly. Made at the height of the DM's anti-Ozil campaign when they were releasing maybe 3 articles a week targeting him.

[Toronto Gooner]

I noticed that Vardy has changed from a blue (Leicester) security blanket (wrist bandage?) to a white one now that he is playing for England. Does anyone know why he wears it? In order to cover up an embarrassing tattoo? :-)

[Toronto Gooner]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689423/Mesut-Ozil-laid-Emirates-hospitality-Met-police-officers-24-hours-assault-investigation.html

Unsurprisingly the claim was never repeated and faded away quietly. Made at the height of the DM's anti-Ozil campaign when they were releasing maybe 3 articles a week targeting him.

Thanks, I definitely missed that one. It does not surprise me that the Daily Fail would be behind such a story.

[Bumble]

:goodpost: If the best we can do is an average one season wonder who doesn't even seem bothered about coming we should give up now.

surely you can only just see him as a one season wonder after the next season. as the saying goes you are only as good as your last game/season.

I do think Sturridge would suit Arsenal more though...... particularly the injury record.

[Munchies]

Wenger just said that Vardy has snubbed us and will probably stay :lol:

https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/744463013164486656

[Niall_Quinn]

At least it happened relatively quickly and we can pretend to turn our attention elsewhere.

This had to come eventually with season after season of failure. The club won't spend big on a top talent, Welbeck is out, so I guess we are now looking at a Wenger Punt like Sanogo. Chances are Bif will be leading the line again next season.

[Chippy]

At least it happened relatively quickly and we can pretend to turn our attention elsewhere.

This had to come eventually with season after season of failure. The club won't spend big on a top talent, Welbeck is out, so I guess we are now looking at a Wenger Punt like Sanogo. Chances are Bif will be leading the line again next season.
As soon as Vardy hesitated about the move, we should have pulled the plug! Cheeky cunt! Leicester or Arsenal? No contest. Oh well, at least Wheelchair and Cazorla will be like new signings.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Vardy actually stays at Leicester and doesn't end up in a Utd shirt then I suppose you have to say fair play to him. Le Tissier is one of my favourite players of all time. He knew what he wanted from the game, knew who his team were and couldn't be swayed. Some call it unambitious, others call it remembering what the game is all about and remembering the fans. I don't put Vardy in that category, bit it's good news for Leicester. Whatever they are doing there is working well, right across the organisation.

As for ourselves, Wenger and Kroenke do more an more damage to the very core of the club each day they remain.

[Munchies]

Video of Wenger's interview confirming that he'll probably stay at Lesta

https://streamable.com/y1b3

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Like I said he's already had weeks to think about it before a ball was kicked in the euro's behind the scenes.

How embarrassing!

[GP]

Like I said he's already had weeks to think about it before a ball was kicked in the euro's behind the scenes.

How embarrassing!

Embarrassing for Vardy? I agree! Imagine having the chance to play for The Arsenal and staying no! What an idiot!

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

:d

[Marc Overmars]

If he has indeed snubbed us, then fuck him.

Scrawny little northern rat.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Idiotic move on his part but that's that then. With Lecesiter having to deal with CL football next year and the added pressure of being champions, chances are that they'll struggle and he won't ever get an opportunity like this again. He'll be lucky to get even Liverpool sniffing for him next summer.

Wenger really has his work cut out now.

[Özim]

If Vardy actually stays at Leicester and doesn't end up in a Utd shirt then I suppose you have to say fair play to him. Le Tissier is one of my favourite players of all time. He knew what he wanted from the game, knew who his team were and couldn't be swayed. Some call it unambitious, others call it remembering what the game is all about and remembering the fans. I don't put Vardy in that category, bit it's good news for Leicester. Whatever they are doing there is working well, right across the organisation.

As for ourselves, Wenger and Kroenke do more an more damage to the very core of the club each day they remain.

LeTissiers' decision was commendable, but in the end he has nothing to show for his career, no medals to show his gran kids, nothing, as a player if you are top class you have to have some sort of ambition to win something and be the best.

[Özim]

Like I said he's already had weeks to think about it before a ball was kicked in the euro's behind the scenes.

How embarrassing!

Yeah it is embarrassing to be honest, an average player like him playing for a small club like Leicester turning us down...dear oh dear.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck him. Diving shit.

[Munchies]

Confirmed

@bbcsport_david
Vardy set to reject Arsenal & stay at Leicester. No final decision yet but favouring #LCFC. #AFC won't improve offer, pursuing other options

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/744542067326599168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

:doh:

[Munchies]

I'm pretty gutted tbh

Just can't see who else is out there that we can realistically get now

[selassie]

If he has indeed snubbed us, then fuck him.

Scrawny little northern rat.

:lol:

Tell us what you really think Mo

[selassie]

Well at least we all know who will be leading the line for us next season. No Vardy means no new Striker.

[Power n Glory]

Confirmed

@bbcsport_david
Vardy set to reject Arsenal & stay at Leicester. No final decision yet but favouring #LCFC. #AFC won't improve offer, pursuing other options

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/744542067326599168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

:doh:

If we're holding back on the contract offer, we're better off going for someone we'll push the boat out for.

[Toronto Gooner]

I will not pretend that I am disappointed in the slightest that Vardy is not joining Arsenal. I think that the vast majority of people are wondering if he is a one season wonder and/or if his goal tally will drop should Mahrez or Konte leaves.

This might be overly suspicious but I wonder how many of these rumours and stories were the typical agent ploy to get a better contract from the current club?

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I think given the coverage and the quotes out of our own club you can pretty much dismiss that.

[GP]

Fuck the cunt.

I hope Bif does his wife.

[selassie]

I will not pretend that I am disappointed in the slightest that Vardy is not joining Arsenal. I think that the vast majority of people are wondering if he is a one season wonder and/or if his goal tally will drop should Mahrez or Konte leaves.

This might be overly suspicious but I wonder how many of these rumours and stories were the typical agent ploy to get a better contract from the current club?

Nah, this one is legit, we triggered the clause and it looks as if he's rejected us.

I'm not disappointed, but I hope we have other options, I highly doubt we have though.

[Kano]

Wenger says he thinks Vardy will stay and then genius Ornstein pops up the next day with an 'exclusive', saying exactly the same thing that was being said two weeks ago.

I can't quite put my finger on why but something tells me I shouldn't trust the media. Weird.

[Özim]

Nah, this one is legit, we triggered the clause and it looks as if he's rejected us.

I'm not disappointed, but I hope we have other options, I highly doubt we have though.

So do I, we're the worst club in football at planning, we just don't seem to ever strategically plan our transfer activity, more often than not it's opportunistic more than anything.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The worst club in football at planning. :rolleyes:

Of course.

[fakeyank]

This is embarrassing :ilt:

[Özim]

The worst club in football at planning. :rolleyes:

Of course.

Yup, ever transfer window it's the same a right mess, there's never a backup plan, never any hurry to not let deals drag on and never any urgency to get players signed up that we need.

[Munchies]

if Vardy said 'Give me until Deadline day to decide'

Wenger probably would wait then scrimp around and sign a Park Chu Young from China again :lol:

[Chippy]

Yup, ever transfer window it's the same a right mess, there's never a backup plan, never any hurry to not let deals drag on and never any urgency to get players signed up that we need.
Totally agree! We put up with this shit every transfer window! Wumger will say that we tried to sign Vardy (and others) but we could not do it. Same fucking excuses!

[Gooner23]

Previous experience tells us failure to land primary (only) target results in falling back on 'internal solutions'. So Giroud and Walnut for another season it is.

[Kano]

Totally agree! We put up with this shit every transfer window! Wumger will say that we tried to sign Vardy (and others) but we could not do it. Same fucking excuses!

You missed out one exclamation mark.

[Chippy]

You missed out one exclamation mark.

! There you go my friend:haha:

[Letters]

Vardy agrees new contract with Leicester :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36606270

[Marc Overmars]

Balls.

On we go.

[Özim]

Gotta laugh really, getting turned down but an average guy like this from a small club.

Still I'm pretty happy as never wanted him here, but it's getting pretty bad when someone like him turns you down.

[Power n Glory]

Fantastic news.

[dostoy]

If this is true, its great news.

Get Lukaku or the bloke from Marseille.

[GP]

Good, he's a fucking shit rat faced cunt.

[Özim]

We really seem to struggle when it comes to signing strikers don't we, time after time we seem to fail to sign them, maybe it's because they are arguably they play in perhaps the most desirable position and thus feel they have more options open them.

[Özim]

Also he didn't wait until after the Euros as he said, really mugged us off didn't he.

[Kano]

Vardy agrees new contract with Leicester :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36606270

England's tournament is over, least he stuck to his word.

[Marc Overmars]

We should troll Leicester and bid for Mahrez and Kante now.

[GP]

We should troll Leicester and bid for Mahrez and Kante now.

Don't forget Drinky!

[Gooner23]

Probably the game plan all along. String us along a bit in order to get a better deal out of Leicester.

[Özim]

We should troll Leicester and bid for Mahrez and Kante now.

Mahrez is the gem, we should go all out for him, the pubber did us a favour really.

[selassie]

We should troll Leicester and bid for Mahrez and Kante now.

They'd probably reject us too.

[Ralpheroo72]

Fuck him, looks like worzell gummage on speed

[Kano]

Probably the game plan all along. String us along a bit in order to get a better deal out of Leicester.

Probably but by the sounds of it, the club knew this was coming (going by Wenger's video last week) so I assume they've moved onto other things.

[Kano]

Fuck him, looks like worzell gummage on speed

Steptoe, he's a dirty old man.

[Gooner23]

Probably but by the sounds of it, the club knew this was coming (going by Wenger's video last week) so I assume they've moved onto other things.

You would hope, however... Internal... Solutions

[Kano]

Don't see that this summer. We'll buy a striker, it's just the quality of the purchase that is in doubt.

[Özim]

Probably but by the sounds of it, the club knew this was coming (going by Wenger's video last week) so I assume they've moved onto other things.

Yeah of course we have, we're good at identifying other targets as we've shown in the past, suitable ones at least.

[Gooner23]

In fairness the Euros has shown there is a real lack of quality strikers in Europe at the moment. As someone else mentioned maybe looking further afield is our best bet.

[Kano]

Yeah of course we have, we're good at identifying other targets as we've shown in the past, suitable ones at least.

I like it when we get negative news, it makes you happy at last.

[Özim]

I like it when we get negative news, it makes you happy at last.

Does it? How do you know is it all the smileys I add?

[Özim]

In fairness the Euros has shown there is a real lack of quality strikers in Europe at the moment. As someone else mentioned maybe looking further afield is our best bet.

Just seen Roman has signed El Shaarawy for 13 million (admittedly they loaned him in Jan), should have taken a punt on this guy at that money has a lot of potential.

Janssen, Higuain, Griezmann, there's 3 we could go for if we were willing to pay up, we aren't though, but as someone said before isn't it up to our scouts to find decent players.

[IBK]

My view? Fuck Ratboy - he was clearly using us to get a better deal with Leicester. Don't want players who don't want to play for us. Good luck to him next season when other teams will have worked out a way to play him. Hopefully we now have time to find another striker and do more than simply try to invoke a buy out clause.

[Kano]

Griezmann signs new deal with Ateltico.

We should make an offer.

[Letters]

My view? Fuck Ratboy - he was clearly using us to get a better deal with Leicester. Don't want players who don't want to play for us. Good luck to him next season when other teams will have worked out a way to play him. Hopefully we now have time to find another striker and do more than simply try to invoke a buy out clause.

Pretty much agree, but we have to sign someone. Hopefully someone with more of a track record. Vardy is obviously a #decent striker but there are better out there. Whether we could get them though...

[selassie]

Apparently we are looking at Javier Hernandez (Chicarito), he's now at Bayer Leverkusen, did very well last season. I think he's a good player but very much falls into the 2nd tier/not quite good enough to bring us up a level or two category.

[Heisenberg]

Oh well, sign someone else then

[Niall_Quinn]

Hernandez will bring us nothing so hopefully we don't go down that route.

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently we are looking at Javier Hernandez (Chicarito), he's now at Bayer Leverkusen, did very well last season. I think he's a good player but very much falls into the 2nd tier/not quite good enough to bring us up a level or two category.

In fairness he always seemed to deliver when given chances at United, scored a lot of important goals for them as well. He's a pretty natural finisher and we could do a lot worse.

[selassie]

In fairness he always seemed to deliver when given chances at United, scored a lot of important goals for them as well. He's a pretty natural finisher and we could do a lot worse.

Aye, I'm not against us signing him, kind of an alternative to Vardy, quite similar in style IMO.

[I am invisible]

In fairness the Euros has shown there is a real lack of quality strikers in Europe at the moment. As someone else mentioned maybe looking further afield is our best bet.

:good:

Or work around the problem? If there's no elite-level striker out there for us, then let's make sure we at least secure a very good / reliable goal-scorer (or maybe gamble on a younger player with the potential to be more) and then focus on adding some extra world-class to the attack in other areas, like RW?

[Özim]

Griezmann signs new deal with Ateltico.

We should make an offer.

He hadn't signed a contract before today, so yes we should have, as usual we're a slow as a barge and the boat has now sailed......

[selassie]

:good:

Or work around the problem? If there's no elite-level striker out there for us, then let's make sure we at least secure a very good / reliable goal-scorer (or maybe gamble on a younger player with the potential to be more) and then focus on adding some extra world-class to the attack in other areas, like RW?

I agree, though I reckon Wenger has Ramsey/Wilshere pencilled in for RW, he won't give up on either of them now. We're pretty stacked for wide options, though outside of Alexis & at a push Iwobi, none of them are really good enough to take us up a level.

Wenger is going to have to spend a substantial amount of money to upgrade our attack if he wants an instant upgrade.

[Özim]

Wenger is going to have to spend a substantial amount of money to upgrade our attack if he wants an instant upgrade.

He won't though we all know that, he's as cheap as they come, that's why we went for Vardy only 20 million, it was an opportunistic attempt to get someone on the cheap.

[Kano]

I agree, though I reckon Wenger has Ramsey/Wilshere pencilled in for RW, he won't give up on either of them now. We're pretty stacked for wide options, though outside of Alexis & at a push Iwobi, none of them are really good enough to take us up a level.

Wenger is going to have to spend a substantial amount of money to upgrade our attack if he wants an instant upgrade.

40-50m bracket he might look at, as he did for Sanchez and Ozil. All depends who is available in that bracket.

[selassie]

40-50m bracket he might look at, as he did for Sanchez and Ozil. All depends who is available in that bracket.

Aye, 40-50m seems to be the going rate these days for anybody half decent.

[Özim]

He's spent 33 million already, 40 - 50 million isn't going to happen now. Should have signed a top striker and then worried about the other positions afterwards instead of seemingly blowing the budget on a DM.

[selassie]

He won't though we all know that, he's as cheap as they come, that's why we went for Vardy only 20 million, it was an opportunistic attempt to get someone on the cheap.

Aye, I don't think he will either Zim.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I just want Wenger to fuck off.

[I am invisible]

40-50m bracket he might look at, as he did for Sanchez and Ozil. All depends who is available in that bracket.


Aye, 40-50m seems to be the going rate these days for anybody half decent.

I suppose one advantage that we have over a lot of our rivals is that we're cash rich, so 40-50m from us could mean 40-50m up front, if it came to it, and not installments spread across years?

But that doesn't really do much to win the players themselves over...

[fakeyank]

We still have Giroud

[Letters]

We still have Giroud

:loveblush:

[selassie]

I suppose one advantage that we have over a lot of our rivals is that we're cash rich, so 40-50m from us could mean 40-50m up front, if it came to it, and not installments spread across years? But that doesn't really do much to win the players themselves over...It's an advantage but I'm not so sure AW is flexible enough with his player valuations to take advantage of our position. I get the impression that he doesn't see a striker as a priority, well not in the sense of him having to spend the required money to bring a decent one in.

[dostoy]

He said 3 players, that means there is 2 more coming in soon.

Keep the faith.

One of those two HAS TO BE a striker.

[Letters]

I'll judge him at the end of the transfer window :cool:

[Globalgunner]

I'll judge him at the end of the transfer window :cool:

I`ll judge him at the end of next season.

[Keith]

LCFC paying 100k pw for a 29 year old, are they Leeds in disguise?

[Niall_Quinn]

LCFC paying 100k pw for a 29 year old, are they Leeds in disguise?

A lot more cash in football than back in those days. £100K will soon be the starting point for any player that can identify a football and give a brief overview of what it's used for.

[I am invisible]

It's an advantage but I'm not so sure AW is flexible enough with his player valuations to take advantage of our position. I get the impression that he doesn't see a striker as a priority, well not in the sense of him having to spend the required money to bring a decent one in.

Oh it's a priority for him alright! Whatever he might say about having faith in Giroud / Walcott / Welbeck / etc, the fact is he's gone after a striker every summer for the last 3 or 4 years. I suppose his personal valuations could be hindering some deals, but I suspect the explanation is a lot simpler than that: it's just a shitty time to be buying strikers right now. Not much on the market to begin with, loads of competition for whatever is there, and 90% of them probably won't solve any problem for us.

To be honest, I've never had any problem with Wenger's valuations - I think he's generally proved right on most of them. Where I have an issue with him is that he often seems to have no cheaper alternatives lined up - if he can't get his man, then he'd rather go into the season with a gaping hole in the squad than take a more pragmatic approach...

[mastermind84]

Oh it's a priority for him alright! Whatever he might say about having faith in Giroud / Walcott / Welbeck / etc, the fact is he's gone after a striker every summer for the last 3 or 4 years. I suppose his personal valuations could be hindering some deals, but I suspect the explanation is a lot simpler than that: it's just a shitty time to be buying strikers right now. Not much on the market to begin with, loads of competition for whatever is there, and 90% of them probably won't solve any problem for us.

this is true

[RomfordPele]

Not for the first time, I really wonder what our media team does all day. We have been behind the story at every stage with this Vardy bollocks. If we knew he was 50/50 at best, we should have been pushing out stories about interest in other striker options left, right and centre, i.e. a distraction strategy projecting the fact that we have many other options to pursue. As it is, complete silence, and we end up looking like the ugly kid nobody wants to invite to the prom.

[fakeyank]

I hear Kallstrom and Bischoff are available for a decent fee. Definitely worth a punt.

[Toronto Gooner]

Not for the first time, I really wonder what our media team does all day. We have been behind the story at every stage with this Vardy bollocks. If we knew he was 50/50 at best, we should have been pushing out stories about interest in other striker options left, right and centre, i.e. a distraction strategy projecting the fact that we have many other options to pursue. As it is, complete silence, and we end up looking like the ugly kid nobody wants to invite to the prom.
I have observed that the club tends to do a lot of its transfer discussions and negotiations behind closed doors, away from the glare of the media. This makes it difficult for fans to know what is going on , and easy for agents (and players) to use alleged Arsenal interest to boost their negotiating position. Also, I suspect that the more a possible transfer is in the public forum, the more the price of a player goes up; often in excess of the actual value of the player.

Personally, I do not want to see the club take to the airwaves and social media while trying to buy a player.

[Toronto Gooner]

He won't though we all know that, he's as cheap as they come, that's why we went for Vardy only 20 million, it was an opportunistic attempt to get someone on the cheap.
From what was written in the media, Vardy's release clause had a price of £20 million. To pay more than that would be akin to you paying £40,000 for a car with a retail price of £20,000. A lower transfer price would allow the club to pay the player more.

[Toronto Gooner]

Griezmann signs new deal with Ateltico.

We should make an offer.
Pretty much everything I read said that Griezmann did not want to move. He is an exciting prospect, but I do not think that there was a realistic chance to get him.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I`ll judge him at the end of next season.

I'll judge him when he says I am allowed to :good:

[Özim]

I have observed that the club tends to do a lot of its transfer discussions and negotiations behind closed doors, away from the glare of the media. This makes it difficult for fans to know what is going on , and easy for agents (and players) to use alleged Arsenal interest to boost their negotiating position. Also, I suspect that the more a possible transfer is in the public forum, the more the price of a player goes up; often in excess of the actual value of the player.

Personally, I do not want to see the club take to the airwaves and social media while trying to buy a player.

Or we do no negotiations behnd closed doors and sit there whilst other clubs snap up players we should be signing up and we end up with nothing but at the end of the transfer window.

[Özim]

Pretty much everything I read said that Griezmann did not want to move. He is an exciting prospect, but I do not think that there was a realistic chance to get him.

If you don't try you'll never know and we never try, plenty of players have in the past said they didn't want to move but soon found themselves at another club a few weeks later.

[Özim]

From what was written in the media, Vardy's release clause had a price of £20 million. To pay more than that would be akin to you paying £40,000 for a car with a retail price of £20,000. A lower transfer price would allow the club to pay the player more.

I wasn't suggesting we should bid more for Vardy, I was saying he was a cheap option which is what attracted Wenger, now to get someone decent he'll have to pay a lot more and he won't do it.

We can only hope he snaps up some prospect now, a decent one not the rubbish he usually goes for.

[Özim]

Not for the first time, I really wonder what our media team does all day. We have been behind the story at every stage with this Vardy bollocks. If we knew he was 50/50 at best, we should have been pushing out stories about interest in other striker options left, right and centre, i.e. a distraction strategy projecting the fact that we have many other options to pursue. As it is, complete silence, and we end up looking like the ugly kid nobody wants to invite to the prom.

We only seem able to focus on one player at a time and when that goes pearshaped we sit there scratching our heads wondering what just happened with no backup plan in sight.

[KSE Comedy Club]

We can only hope he goes.
Exactly zimm :)

[Özim]

To be honest, I've never had any problem with Wenger's valuations - I think he's generally proved right on most of them. Where I have an issue with him is that he often seems to have no cheaper alternatives lined up - if he can't get his man, then he'd rather go into the season with a gaping hole in the squad than take a more pragmatic approach...

I wouldn't say he was proved right with Suarez and Alonso, I personally think he's cheap and won't pay the going rate, this ends up meaning we don't sign the players we need.

Xhaka is an odd one for me, we paid 33 million for someone barely known, IMO he's overpriced for that money and that's a very odd sitatuon, having said the fact he is unknown probably appealed to Wenger, he'll be able to show people he found another gem if he works out, he loves doing that.

[Özim]

Exactly zimm :)

Yeah, seems like that will take a miracle though.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Yeah, seems like that will take a miracle though.

I know.... And the rumours of being offered a new contract are still worryingly, doing the rounds :unsure::sulk:

[fakeyank]

We only seem able to focus on one player at a time and when that goes pearshaped we sit there scratching our heads wondering what just happened with no backup plan in sight.

If Plan A doesnt work, then you try Plan A again. Havent you learnt anything from the brilliant tactics displayed by the Lord over the last decade?

Couldnt defend from set pieces in 06, still cant defend from set pieces.
Played players out of position, still do that.
Put faith in crocks, still put faith in crocks.
Play boring tippy tappy, still play boring tippy tappy
And many more..

You see... life is about continuing to do what 'you think' is right. If all the data and evidence points otherwise, you just ignore it. This is how real gangstas roll! :cool:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No point having this thread anymore.

:wave: