Alexandre Lacazette - OFFICIAL BID turned down

[Munchies]

https://twitter.com/OL/status/757883190354776064


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35m euro bid turned down

[Marc Overmars]

It's been widely reported that Lyon want 40m, if we really want him then just pay up. He's their prized asset so I doubt there is going to be much room for negotiation.

[LDG]

https://twitter.com/OL/status/757883190354776064


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35m euro bid turned down



Classy club.

[Munchies]

Just bid the money if you want him FFS.

Give an extra £10m if it makes any difference, help Lyon out in their battle against PSG

[Munchies]

Classy club.

Hopefully it gets Wenger to wake up. They want money for him, they've said he can leave for the right price.

They must've been pissed off to make it public.

We're offering less than West ham!

[Özim]

Classy club.

They're denying receiving an offr of 48 million Euros, saying they received an offer of 35 million Euros but them stipulating that he's not for sale as he's irreplaceable and one of their key players. Also mentioned that they should have been contacted before this false 48 million bid was made public, as it caused some confusion when they published their club turnover.

Nothing wrong with that really.

[Özim]

We're offering less than West ham!

We really are cheap, not sure why we'd think we'd get him for less than another club has offered, what is wrong with us, it's almost like we want it to look like we're trying to sign him without actually doing so.

[Kano]

Interesting to know when the bid was made. If it's just an opening bid, then fair enough but if Lyon were really interested in selling, I'm not sure they'd rush out and make a statement to deny a larger bid. They'd look pretty shitty to their fans if we came back with a larger bid and they then did sell.

[Munchies]

We really are cheap, not sure why we'd think we'd get him for less than another club has offered, what is wrong with us, it's almost like we want it to look like we're trying to sign him without actually doing so.

£1 for Suarez comes to mind

If we wanted him, £50m would've done the job

[Özim]

£1 for Suarez comes to mind

If we wanted him, £50m would've done the job

Yeah, very suspicious of the club these days, I'm starting to think they make low ball offers so that there's no chance they will get someone but so that the fans think they are trying to sign players, if West Ham offered more you pretty much know you won't get him for less so it makes no sense.

[Munchies]

Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't

Arsenal :doh:

[Munchies]

Lacazette has scored 63 goals in 3 seasons

Who else is out there. Don't fuck it up Wenger.

[Kano]

Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't

Arsenal :doh:

Sounds like they want to sell. All the signals are there aren't they?

[Özim]

Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't

Arsenal :doh:

No surprises there then.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't

Arsenal :doh:

What was actually said is that we made a bid and Lyon did not follow up on the offer. They didn't respond to us full stop

[The Emirates Gallactico]

A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest from other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.

[Power n Glory]

We've bid £29m. What's adding another £11m to that when Wenger has already said we need a striker with pace? We must have identified other targets if we're willing to walk away from this deal. I doubt we have but we act as if we do. That's why other clubs spend over the odds for certain players. The manager sees the quality they want in a player and they make sure they get him if they're essential to the plan.

[Power n Glory]

A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest in other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.

Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.

[Özim]

We've bid £29m. What's adding another £11m to that when Wenger has already said we need a striker with pace? We must have identified other targets if we're willing to walk away from this deal. I doubt we have but we act as if we do. That's why other clubs spend over the odds for certain players. The manager sees the quality they want in a player and they make sure they get him if they're essential to the plan.

It's a lowball offer at a price we were never going to get him (West Ham have already offered more).

[Kano]

A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest from other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.

They turned down a higher bid from West Ham a month ago or so. Lyon didn't come out then with a press release. I doubt he's going anywhere unless a 60/70m comes in.

[Özim]

Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.

Lyon are great at negotiating, they get the money they want for a player and won't accept less, credit to them why should they sell for less than they want.

[selassie]

I just hope we pay up and close the deal. We are not in a position to start quibbling over 10 million or whatever it is they want to up our offer to, just get the deal done and move on.

[selassie]

Lyon are great at negotiating, they get the money they want for a player and won't accept less, credit to them why should they sell for less than they want.

Yeah Aulas (Lyon President) always plays hardball, if we don't meet their valuation he won't come.

[Özim]

I just hope we pay up and close the deal. We are not in a position to start quibbling over 10 million or whatever it is they want to up our offer to, just get the deal done and move on.

We did it with Suarez, I think we seem reluctant to pay the market rate for players, trouble is with that attitude you end up with noone.

[Munchies]

We did it with Suarez, I think we seem reluctant to pay the market rate for players, trouble is with that attitude you end up with noone.

Seems that Ben Yedder interest could be a move to make Lyon think we do have other targets

Either way, what's clear is that we don't want to stump the money up. Nothing changes

[Maestro]

So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.

:doh:

[dostoy]

I would not be surprised if this is all untrue.

[Munchies]

So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.

:doh:

I started the thread as it's official we're going after soemeone

what's the big deal? are you a mod? Who gives a shit if all the talk in one thread is concentrated on one player now? Jesus :lol:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.

:doh:

Saw his name at start of thread and thought 'interesting'......opened the thread to see the full title and thought 'bloody hell' or something to that effect

[Maestro]

I started the thread as it's official we're going after soemeone

what's the big deal? are you a mod? Who gives a shit if all the talk in one thread is concentrated on one player now? Jesus :lol:

Thanks for the clarification Munchies

[Maestro]

Saw his name at start of thread and thought 'interesting'......opened the thread to see the full title and thought 'bloody hell' or something to that effect

Same here. I blame Wenger tbh, look what he's done to this place.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Same here. I blame Wenger tbh, look what he's done to this place.

so we are now saying that people can't take responsibility for their own actions?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.

Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.

I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.



They turned down a higher bid from West Ham a month ago or so. Lyon didn't come out then with a press release. I doubt he's going anywhere unless a 60/70m comes in.

Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.

Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Seems that Ben Yedder interest could be a move to make Lyon think we do have other targets

Either way, what's clear is that we don't want to stump the money up. Nothing changes

Looking at some Youtube s of him, Yedder does seem to have an Aguero/Suarez type bulldog fighter type quality about him ................ but on the other hand he played for a team that nearly got relegated last year.

[Kano]

Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.

I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.




Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.

Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.

The press release to me says something different to a club that looking willing to sell, especially when they are responding to a higher bid just being reported in the press. If a club looks like they want to sell then they'd respond or give signs to the buyer to that effect. This approach seems to suggest the complete opposite of that. They didn't even respond to the first bid. The manager saying he's staying is one thing but issuing a firm press release after one bid is something completely different. I think they are deadly serious about keeping him. Replacing a striker at the moment is a nightmare for any club and they mentioned how financially strong they are at the moment in that press release. His goals have helped them finish second for the past two seasons and get back into CL football so I think it would take an even more ridiculous bid for them to consider it.

[selassie]

The press release to me says something different to a club that looking willing to sell, especially when they are responding to a higher bid just being reported in the press. If a club looks like they want to sell then they'd respond or give signs to the buyer to that effect. This approach seems to suggest the complete opposite of that. They didn't even respond to the first bid. The manager saying he's staying is one thing but issuing a firm press release after one bid is something completely different. I think they are deadly serious about keeping him. Replacing a striker at the moment is a nightmare for any club and they mentioned how financially strong they are at the moment in that press release. His goals have helped them finish second for the past two seasons and get back into CL football so I think it would take an even more ridiculous bid for them to consider it.

I agree, however I do think we could get him if we are serious & proactive in our pursuit of him. The thing is I have no faith in us to follow this through proactively. It feels like we have offered at a price we feel fits into our valuation and will not move until he kicks up a fuss. If reports are to be believed he is keen and has asked for a transfer but we need to be pushing this if we are serious about him.

Aulas (Lyon President) is a tough negotiator, he has a track record of absolutely milking teams for his stars so he's not going to roll over and let us dictate the terms on this deal.

It's going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds, will we pursue him or will we walk away?

[Kano]

I agree, however I do think we could get him if we are serious & proactive in our pursuit of him. The thing is I have no faith in us to follow this through proactively. It feels like we have offered at a price we feel fits into our valuation and will not move until he kicks up a fuss. If reports are to be believed he is keen and has asked for a transfer but we need to be pushing this if we are serious about him.

Aulas (Lyon President) is a tough negotiator, he has a track record of absolutely milking teams for his stars so he's not going to roll over and let us dictate the terms on this deal.

It's going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds, will we pursue him or will we walk away?

If we pursue him, will us fans know about that? Will Lyon issue a press release every time? Will Lyon respond to a second bid? What is their valuation of the player? If they didn't respond to the first bid, then how are Arsenal to know they might be willing to sell or what to go in with next? If you are negotiating you don't just jump from £29m to £45m and more with no communication - the seller will have you over the barrel every which way.

[Power n Glory]

Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.

I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.




Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.

Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.

I'm hearing Lyon want £40m for him. Well, that's what's being reported. Even if a bid were to be accepted, we'd probably mess things up when negotiating player wages.

[selassie]

If we pursue him, will us fans know about that? Will Lyon issue a press release every time? Will Lyon respond to a second bid? What is their valuation of the player? If they didn't respond to the first bid, then how are Arsenal to know they might be willing to sell or what to go in with next? If you are negotiating you don't just jump from £29m to £45m and more with no communication - the seller will have you over the barrel every which way.

I have no doubt they will respond if we increase our offer, they responded to West Ham's offers so I see no reason why they wouldn't follow suite with us. I personally think their stance is that they do not want to sell but would sell at a price they deem suitable to compensate themselves. Lacazette has a part to play in this too and if he wants to join us then he's going to need to go public about it.

I never suggested we increase our offer to what is their supposed valuation but we need to get serious if we are serious about the player and the player is serious about us. The 2nd offer should be somewhere near their valuation if they have one, I suppose what I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't be sitting their waiting for Lyon to bend over backwards for us.

Edited to add: Rumours going around that offer was earlier in the summer for Lacazette so it seems it was a opportunist punt :rolleyes:

[dostoy]

I would not be surprised if this is all untrue.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10513074/lyon-deny-arsenal-have-bid-16340m-for-striker-alexandre-lacazette

I told you.

[Power n Glory]

I have no doubt they will respond if we increase our offer, they responded to West Ham's offers so I see no reason why they wouldn't follow suite with us. I personally think their stance is that they do not want to sell but would sell at a price they deem suitable to compensate themselves. Lacazette has a part to play in this too and if he wants to join us then he's going to need to go public about it.

I never suggested we increase our offer to what is their supposed valuation but we need to get serious if we are serious about the player and the player is serious about us. The 2nd offer should be somewhere near their valuation if they have one, I suppose what I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't be sitting their waiting for Lyon to bend over backwards for us.

Edited to add: Rumours going around that offer was earlier in the summer for Lacazette so it seems it was a opportunist punt :rolleyes:

Lyon have denied receiving a £40m bid so that's a hint at what they could be looking for. Regardless, our approach needs to change if we're serious about needing a pacey striker. We haven't come in with our best bid from the sound of things.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10513074/lyon-deny-arsenal-have-bid-16340m-for-striker-alexandre-lacazette

I told you.

Told what?


"The reality is that the club Arsenal made an offer worth 35m euros (£29m), which Lyon did not follow up on for one reason: OL will keep Alexandre Lacazette who is irreplaceable and who is one of the main leaders in Bruno Genesio's squad."

They deny the amount not the bid from Arsenal.

[Kano]

I have no doubt they will respond if we increase our offer, they responded to West Ham's offers so I see no reason why they wouldn't follow suite with us. I personally think their stance is that they do not want to sell but would sell at a price they deem suitable to compensate themselves. Lacazette has a part to play in this too and if he wants to join us then he's going to need to go public about it.

I never suggested we increase our offer to what is their supposed valuation but we need to get serious if we are serious about the player and the player is serious about us. The 2nd offer should be somewhere near their valuation if they have one, I suppose what I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't be sitting their waiting for Lyon to bend over backwards for us.

Edited to add: Rumours going around that offer was earlier in the summer for Lacazette so it seems it was a opportunist punt :rolleyes:

We shouldn't wait around, that I agree with but you need to have dialogue to know where to come in next, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark, hoping you'll get what you want. I don't know if Lyon spoke with West Ham because that was all media talk and 99.999% of everything we read is absolute bullshit (unless I missed some quotes from Lyon). My feeling is if you want to sell, you reject and tell the buyer it doesn't meet our valuation. Then the buyer can ask what that valuation is and go from there - but with nothing to go on...well, that's a pretty hard thing to buy.

[Özim]

Lyon have denied receiving a £40m bid so that's a hint at what they could be looking for. Regardless, our approach needs to change if we're serious about needing a pacey striker. We haven't come in with our best bid from the sound of things.

Let's not kid ourselves, as much as we'd like things to be different, we're as cheap at they come, putting in lowball offers, adding £1 on top of an existing bid, it's starting to look like we just do it on purpose to p*ss off the teams who own the players we make offers for so that it looks to the outside world like we're serious about signings quality players (reduces the pressure on the club).

Offering less than West Ham makes no sense at all, if their offer is turned down you'll know yours will be, we're the transfer market clowns, but I guess because the reality is we don't really want to spend the money if we can get away with it and dead end rumours and news of failed bids helps us on that score.

[AFC Leveller]

Ozim give it a rest fella, you manage to see the negative side in everything.

We bid and it if official, the windo wont close until next month and there is still time to sign him up.

[Özim]

Ozim give it a rest fella, you manage to see the negative side in everything.

We bid and it if official, the windo wont close until next month and there is still time to sign him up.

It's not going to happen IMO, if it was we'd have been in there and been quick to make another offer like most clubs do.

It's a lowball offer that was never going to be accepted in a month of Sundays, at the end of the day I'm not being negative it's reflective of our terrible transfer policy and transfer windows of the past, I'm not expecting any different now.

We've had 2 months to sign players and the players we're going for weren't even at the Euros, so I'm not buying this wait until the end of the transfer window nonsense, it should have been done and dusted by now the fact it isn't tells you all you need.

Interesting how we snapped up Xhaka a player we wanted with minimal fuss isn't it, that's because we were serious about him, transfers aren't often that complicated if you stump up the money.

Last summer it was the Benzema nonsense, the summer before the Higuain/Suares saga, this is yet another one in a long list of failed pursuits.

Can't believe people still buy into this stuff, the most feasible was that gy from Toulouse who comes cheap (Wenger will be rubbing his hands together) and is relatively undiscovered.

[Power n Glory]

Ozim give it a rest fella, you manage to see the negative side in everything.

We bid and it if official, the windo wont close until next month and there is still time to sign him up.
We’re looking for a striker. That’s a positive. But if this bid was made before we signed Asano…..

I can’t see us pulling this deal off. When it gets to the press this way we usually don’t sign the player. The press are usually on to the story once a deal has been wrapped up and waiting on a medical.

[Power n Glory]

Let's not kid ourselves, as much as we'd like things to be different, we're as cheap at they come, putting in lowball offers, adding £1 on top of an existing bid, it's starting to look like we just do it on purpose to p*ss off the teams who own the players we make offers for so that it looks to the outside world like we're serious about signings quality players (reduces the pressure on the club).

Offering less than West Ham makes no sense at all, if their offer is turned down you'll know yours will be, we're the transfer market clowns, but I guess because the reality is we don't really want to spend the money if we can get away with it and dead end rumours and news of failed bids helps us on that score.

Lyon deny West Ham bid £40m.

[selassie]

We shouldn't wait around, that I agree with but you need to have dialogue to know where to come in next, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark, hoping you'll get what you want. I don't know if Lyon spoke with West Ham because that was all media talk and 99.999% of everything we read is absolute bullshit (unless I missed some quotes from Lyon). My feeling is if you want to sell, you reject and tell the buyer it doesn't meet our valuation. Then the buyer can ask what that valuation is and go from there - but with nothing to go on...well, that's a pretty hard thing to buy.

Well them denying we have offered 48million Euros (40million GBP) is the biggest hint out there. It was also reported they wanted around 50million Euros for him earlier in the summer, all speculation I know.

Also, if you factor in that there have been strong rumours in the French media that Lacazette has handed in a transfer request then something must be going on in the background, whether we are the club involved remains to be seen.

The reason I mentioned about us being proactive is because we are notorious for putting in a single bid, unsettling a player and then walking away because we won't meet the clubs valuation, it's happened too many times over recent years to be unlucky.

[Özim]

Lyon deny West Ham bid £40m.

They actually confirmed it:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/10289895/lyon-confirm-they-rejected-west-ham-16331m-bid-for-alexandre-lacazette

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's one of Napoli's targets to replace Higuain. So it's possible they are trying to set a price for Lacazette with them

If SS Napoli bid 40m for Lacazette and it's accepted and we don't follow suit than there is something wrong.

[Power n Glory]

He's one of Napoli's targets to replace Higuain. So it's possible they are trying to set a price for Lacazette with them

If SS Napoli bid 40m for Lacazette and it's accepted and we don't follow suit than there is something wrong.

We have Asano!

[Kano]

Well them denying we have offered 48million Euros (40million GBP) is the biggest hint out there. It was also reported they wanted around 50million Euros for him earlier in the summer, all speculation I know.

Also, if you factor in that there have been strong rumours in the French media that Lacazette has handed in a transfer request then something must be going on in the background, whether we are the club involved remains to be seen.

The reason I mentioned about us being proactive is because we are notorious for putting in a single bid, unsettling a player and then walking away because we won't meet the clubs valuation, it's happened too many times over recent years to be unlucky.

I'm not sure if that is a hint or them not being happy with a rumour coming out on the day they wanted to illustrate their financial strength with the release of their accounts. The press release is saying they have no need to sell for the money. They have offered no communication with Arsenal. Whether that is normal procedure or not, I've no idea but it does seem strange for a club that may be open to accepting a future bid.

Everything else I'll take with a huge pinch of salt. The Suarez/Liverpool thing was official - and ridiculous - but apart from that, unless any previous or current offers are made official, I'm calling bullshit. The media are too manipulative and deceitful to place any hint of trust in. I'll only ever believe official announcements.

And if we did make this bid a couple of months ago - then this is all dead and buried anyway!

[Power n Glory]

They actually confirmed it:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/10289895/lyon-confirm-they-rejected-west-ham-16331m-bid-for-alexandre-lacazette

Ahh confusion. It wasn't £40m but €40m rejected (£31m).

I thought why would they say they wanted £40m but reject West Ham's bid.

[Power n Glory]

Well them denying we have offered 48million Euros (40million GBP) is the biggest hint out there. It was also reported they wanted around 50million Euros for him earlier in the summer, all speculation I know.

Also, if you factor in that there have been strong rumours in the French media that Lacazette has handed in a transfer request then something must be going on in the background, whether we are the club involved remains to be seen.

The reason I mentioned about us being proactive is because we are notorious for putting in a single bid, unsettling a player and then walking away because we won't meet the clubs valuation, it's happened too many times over recent years to be unlucky.

I don't know why it needs to be explained on here to be honest. We've seen this plenty of times before. Higuain, Suarez...even the contract negotiations with Vardy. We dither way too much and HCZ is right about Napoli on the look out for a striker.

[Power n Glory]

He's one of Napoli's targets to replace Higuain. So it's possible they are trying to set a price for Lacazette with them

If SS Napoli bid 40m for Lacazette and it's accepted and we don't follow suit than there is something wrong.

Deal confirmed for Higuain. Napoli will be looking for a replacement or at least must have already made contact with the club before agreeing to sell.

[Munchies]

If we bloody bid £5m more we could've signed Higuain 3 years ago

FFS.

[dostoy]

This is all old news.

I very much doubt he will come here.

[Marc Overmars]

Deal confirmed for Higuain. Napoli will be looking for a replacement or at least must have already made contact with the club before agreeing to sell.

I bet Napoli get their replacement in before we sign someone.

[Power n Glory]

I bet Napoli get their replacement in before we sign someone.

Napoli sold Cavani to PSG for a hefty sum in 2013/14 and bought Higauin just a week after selling their star striker. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they get their guy before us.

[selassie]

I don't know why it needs to be explained on here to be honest. We've seen this plenty of times before. Higuain, Suarez...even the contract negotiations with Vardy. We dither way too much and HCZ is right about Napoli on the look out for a striker.

Yep, Kano knows, he's just being awkward ;)

[dostoy]

You know who there new striker will be don't you.

Have a wild guess.

[selassie]

I bet Napoli get their replacement in before we sign someone.

Apparently they have lined up Icardi.

[Kano]

You know who there new striker will be don't you.

Have a wild guess.

Balotelli?

[Kano]

Yep, Kano knows, he's just being awkward ;)

Its easy to believe the stories we want to but without anything other than concrete truth, you might as well say every piece of info online is true. Without any solid verification, there is no way of discerning one thing from another when it comes to this feeding frenzy of transfers. Every single media outlet has a primary objective, which is to grab our attention.

[Munchies]

I bet Napoli get their replacement in before we sign someone.

Only been an hour

BREAKING: Arek Milik will leave Ajax for Napoli. Fee of €35million. (De Telegraaf)

[Marc Overmars]

Only been an hour

BREAKING: Arek Milik will leave Ajax for Napoli. Fee of €35million. (De Telegraaf)

How dare they not observe the waiting period.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Think would have been a decent signing for us, 32 in 52 for Ajax...only 22. Yes 30million is a premium but why wouldn't you?

[Kano]

After his awful attempts in front of goal at the Euro's? No thanks.

[Özim]

Napoli sold Cavani to PSG for a hefty sum in 2013/14 and bought Higauin just a week after selling their star striker. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they get their guy before us.

Yeah and it takes us 3 months to sign most players, that if we sign anyone at all and that's a big IF too.

[Kano]

Only been an hour

BREAKING: Arek Milik will leave Ajax for Napoli. Fee of €35million. (De Telegraaf)

They haven't even accepted the bid yet :lol:

[Munchies]

Think would have been a decent signing for us, 32 in 52 for Ajax...only 22. Yes 30million is a premium but why wouldn't you?

The bloke Spurs signed was only £18m and he scored more goals and is younger!

(same age sorry just checked

[Özim]

The bloke Spurs signed was only £18m and he scored more goals and is younger!

(same age sorry just checked

Yeah that signing was a no brainer, not too expensive, young, decent goal record and lots of potential, we were mad not to go in for him, we could possibly have snapped up two if we got rid of some of the losers in our squad.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's a good signing to make if you already have a 25+ goal a season striker to hand which Spurs do

Not so good if you need an upgrade on what you have. Giroud had the same scoring record Lacazette and Janssen in inferior leagues.

[Özim]

It's a good signing to make if you already have a 25+ goal a season striker to hand which Spurs do

Not so good if you need an upgrade on what you have. Giroud had the same scoring record Lacazette and Janssen in inferior leagues.

We could have signed him, got rid of Walcott and got someone else in, would have been happy to let Giroud go if necessary so that we can bring Janssen and some other forward.

Giroud goal record was vastly inferior to Lacazette's and he was much older than Janssen and again had an inferior record.

Giroud 85 games 39 goals (in ligue 1)
Giroud 90 games 43 goals (last 2 seasons in PL and he's much older now and at his peak and in a better team)
Lacazette 84 games 54 goals
Janssen 49 games 31 goals (only one season top flight) 87 games 53 goals if you include a season in 2nd division (much younger though)

As we've seen though Giroud is very average, goes missing when you need him the most, the spread of goals and when they are scored is important too. We basically don't have a strikeforce, we've been slumming it for years, we should have two forwards capable of scoring goals.

[Power n Glory]

It's a good signing to make if you already have a 25+ goal a season striker to hand which Spurs do

Not so good if you need an upgrade on what you have. Giroud had the same scoring record Lacazette and Janssen in inferior leagues.

We need a different type of striker. The records are impressive but looking at Janssen and Lacazette, you can see goals and the sort of movement we just won't ever get from Giroud.

[Özim]

We need a different type of striker. The records are impressive but looking at Janssen and Lacazette, you can see goals and the sort of movement we just won't ever get from Giroud.

Giroud is like a lampost, static the other two have much better movement and natural skills.

[Munchies]

The more I watch of that Ben Yedder fella, the more I wouldn't mind him. Just need to get a player like Mahrez alongside him though

[Power n Glory]

Giroud is like a lampost, static the other two have much better movement and natural skills.

It's really not working. We need some sort of mobility at the top and through the middle. Was impressed with Janssen's smarting finishing and movement. Lacazette has the pace but also can finish. If that Man Utd game showed us anything from last season is that we need pace up front but we also need some agile enough to wriggle out of tight spaces when facing a tight defence.

[selassie]

Its easy to believe the stories we want to but without anything other than concrete truth, you might as well say every piece of info online is true. Without any solid verification, there is no way of discerning one thing from another when it comes to this feeding frenzy of transfers. Every single media outlet has a primary objective, which is to grab our attention.

True, but it was quite widely reported and quoted that the Suarez & Cabaye deals collapsed a few seasons back because we refused to meet the selling clubs valuation, Higuain too. All of these reports seem pretty legit to me.

I can't claim to have inside knowledge on any Arsenal transfers and I suspect we don't get to hear about many bids we can make as they don't all go public, I would say the ones that are repeatedly reported and played out in public do have substance to them.

Wenger has pretty much confirmed the Lacazette bid with his response stating that Arsenal like to keep transfer negotiations a secret whilst some other clubs don't.

[Kano]

There were no quotes at all about Higuain as far as I can remember and not buying Cabaye was hardly a player we've missed, given where he is now. The Lacazette bid is obviously true because Lyon came out with that press release. When transfers do come through, some of the large ones have been reported on before but think of the hit rate, the ratio of how many evolve into real transfers against those that don't. It's always safer to read with caution as far as the media are concerned until they can provide something concrete.

This is the trap that so many people fall into, that just because something is duplicated by multiple media outlets, that it has to be true. You say something enough times then of course it becomes 'a truth'. People tend to pick and choose the storie we believe because it fits in with a larger narrative we have on the situation. It's part of a wider manipulation and stranglehold that the media have on people's lives, that's why rags like The Sun and Daily Mail have such awful reputations for making shit up yet so many people believe the bollocks they print because it fits in with their version of 'the truth'. Did we try and buy Higuain and few years back or Alonso? Maybe. Did we miss out for the reasons the press stated? God knows, why should we believe what they've printed when there is nothing beyond their hand in the story? Well 50 media outlets all rinsed the same story with zero quotes or evidence so it must be true I guess.

Football transfers are one of the easiest to cook up and because we are traditionally slow and secretive about our business, and Arsenal fans online are one of the most fervent, too many allow themselves to get taken for a ride season and after season. The Arsenal board is shit but we don't need to believe the journalists are our friend. As far as they're concerned, we're easy bait.

[selassie]

There were no quotes at all about Higuain as far as I can remember and not buying Cabaye was hardly a player we've missed, given where he is now. The Lacazette bid is obviously true because Lyon came out with that press release. When transfers do come through, some of the large ones have been reported on before but think of the hit rate, the ratio of how many evolve into real transfers against those that don't. It's always safer to read with caution as far as the media are concerned until they can provide something concrete.

This is the trap that so many people fall into, that just because something is duplicated by multiple media outlets, that it has to be true. You say something enough times then of course it becomes 'a truth'. People tend to pick and choose the storie we believe because it fits in with a larger narrative we have on the situation. It's part of a wider manipulation and stranglehold that the media have on people's lives, that's why rags like The Sun and Daily Mail have such awful reputations for making shit up yet so many people believe the bollocks they print because it fits in with their version of 'the truth'. Did we try and buy Higuain and few years back or Alonso? Maybe. Did we miss out for the reasons the press stated? God knows, why should we believe what they've printed when there is nothing beyond their hand in the story? Well 50 media outlets all rinsed the same story with zero quotes or evidence so it must be true I guess.

Football transfers are one of the easiest to cook up and because we are traditionally slow and secretive about our business, and Arsenal fans online are one of the most fervent, too many allow themselves to get taken for a ride season and after season. The Arsenal board is shit but we don't need to believe the journalists are our friend. As far as they're concerned, we're easy bait.

It was widely reported that we were discussing a 23million deal with Real for Higuain and Napoli came in and offered 35million for him or whatever the fee was. We refused to up our offer to match Napoli's. All of the evidence pointed to that happening, it was reported everywhere. Sure we didn't need Cabaye but that's not the point I am making. My point is our laissez faire approach in the market and the fact we have form for not following up or increasing our offers for our transfer targets due to having some principled stance on setting our own valuations, what's the point? It gets us nowhere, the Higuain & Suarez examples are proof of that, we screwed up massively.

I see your point and you can't always take what you read as the gospel truth but let's face it, it would hardly be a surprise to anybody if the club came out and confirmed what everybody has suspected regarding not meeting selling clubs valuations. There is no reason for the media to report on us doing this kind of thing multiple times. Also, Wenger has hinted on more than one occassion that he's not followed through on bids for certain players because it would kill player x, y or z.

I wouldn't be so bothered if we had a complete squad but we have gaping holes in certain positions yet wont address them due to our principles, it's absolutely ridiculous TBH.

[Power n Glory]

It was widely reported that we were discussing a 23million deal with Real for Higuain and Napoli came in and offered 35million for him or whatever the fee was. We refused to up our offer to match Napoli's. All of the evidence pointed to that happening, it was reported everywhere. Sure we didn't need Cabaye but that's not the point I am making. My point is our laissez faire approach in the market and the fact we have form for not following up or increasing our offers for our transfer targets due to having some principled stance on setting our own valuations, what's the point? It gets us nowhere, the Higuain & Suarez examples are proof of that, we screwed up massively.

I see your point and you can't always take what you read as the gospel truth but let's face it, it would hardly be a surprise to anybody if the club came out and confirmed what everybody has suspected regarding not meeting selling clubs valuations. There is no reason for the media to report on us doing this kind of thing multiple times. Also, Wenger has hinted on more than one occassion that he's not followed through on bids for certain players because it would kill player x, y or z.

I wouldn't be so bothered if we had a complete squad but we have gaping holes in certain positions yet wont address them due to our principles, it's absolutely ridiculous TBH.

Leaving aside media speculation, we have enough examples of our laissez faire approach when it comes to doing business. Vardy and Suarez are recent examples. Looking at how we dealt with RVP, Nasri and Fabregas leaving….there is enough there to suggest we’re not really on the ball when it comes to getting these sort of things quickly. I won’t even start on how we can lose key players because we drag out contract negotiations. But we’re looking at next level incompetency if we didn’t even table a bid for Higauin in 2013 when a striker was needed.

No, I take that back. We’re looking at a club that signed a player with a broken back after we lost Ramsey to injury during a key part of the season. That will still take some topping.

[Kano]

It was widely reported that we were discussing a 23million deal with Real for Higuain and Napoli came in and offered 35million for him or whatever the fee was. We refused to up our offer to match Napoli's. All of the evidence pointed to that happening, it was reported everywhere. Sure we didn't need Cabaye but that's not the point I am making. My point is our laissez faire approach in the market and the fact we have form for not following up or increasing our offers for our transfer targets due to having some principled stance on setting our own valuations, what's the point? It gets us nowhere, the Higuain & Suarez examples are proof of that, we screwed up massively.

I see your point and you can't always take what you read as the gospel truth but let's face it, it would hardly be a surprise to anybody if the club came out and confirmed what everybody has suspected regarding not meeting selling clubs valuations. There is no reason for the media to report on us doing this kind of thing multiple times. Also, Wenger has hinted on more than one occassion that he's not followed through on bids for certain players because it would kill player x, y or z.

I wouldn't be so bothered if we had a complete squad but we have gaping holes in certain positions yet wont address them due to our principles, it's absolutely ridiculous TBH.
i don't disagree about our approach and rectifying issues within our squad, Wenger has been guilty of that for years now. But the media use that to intensify the situation and create further panic amongst supporters. What do they get out of it? Hits on their website and free SEO. Every time we put a link online, it creates a free back link to their website and helps with their rankings. A media outlet can only survive if people are reading it and what's the easiest way to do that, beyond the complicated science of Google Ad words or optimising your website? Get thousands of others to do a lot of the legwork work too. For free. On the smaller websites that don't have full time staff, writers often get paid based on the amount of hits they generate. So it's easy to see how they benefit.

The Higuain situation has become gospel without one single bit of evidence coming to light. Even three years later. In fact, the only quote I can recall is Perez saying Madrid hadn't received an offer from us - and that was after we the deal was signed, sealed and delivered. Granted, Perez is and always will be a massive cunt but I don't see what he has to gain from saying there was no offer, in public. How we handled Suarez was a joke, no one in their right mind can dispute that.

None of which is to say we aren't bad at doing transfers or getting in the players we need to sustain or improve the squad. But just because some things are true, it doesn't make everything true. The club wouldn't be able to perform near the top of the table or as a business if we were awful in every department. Arsenal do not help themselves when it comes to their approach to transfers and the media take full advantage of that AND of us, wherever possible.

[Niall_Quinn]

We saw the market, spotted a player we thought could help us, we put in a lowball bid totally at odds with that market. This is normal isn't it? This is how we usually do business. This is why we have almost signed every top player in the history of the world.