Season's Progress

[Xhaka Can’t]

It's the first of December and we're:

Fourth in the League.
Runners-up in a CL group we should have won.
Out of the League Cup.


And our most influential player needs an operation keeping him out of the side for three months - a month and a half after getting injured.

Who the fuck could have seen this coming?

[Marc Overmars]

It will be different when Wenger has money to spend.

[LDG]

Oh do shut up.

Judge us at the end of the season.

We're up there, and I think we still have a chance so long as we stay in the race.

Which we won't, because the SAME FUCKING SHIT HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING YEAR AND ITS OBVIOUS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

[Kano]

I thought Alexis would be our most influential player. Santi is a loss but we are still on par with the teams around us. Not just in points but definitely in performance levels.

Injuries are nowhere near as bad as they have been, hopefully we've got that under control. And Santi's came from playing a game rather than poor prep, which was unavoidable.

The CL thing I'm not so sure we would've said we'd top the group when the draw was made. And even if we did, we play a lesser team in the next round, hopefully go through, then what? We face a bigger team anyway. So fuck it, let's play a reputable team in the next round rather than a Porto or some dull shit like that.

We're three points off the top, not losing games we would've normally in the league.

And league cup? No one cares one bit about that pre or post season.

I'll actually wait to see if things go wrong, rather than waiting for them to.

[GP]

Stop remoaning democracy has spoken.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fuck off you stupid Brexshitter twat.

[GP]

You sound just like James O'Brien you leftie loser!

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm not a lefty!

[LDG]

Fuckin right. You use the hand most readily available like all sensible blokes.

[GP]

Fuckin right. You use the hand most readily available like all sensible blokes.

Right hand is for the mouse.

[Letters]

Would you be happy if we were top of the league?

[Niall_Quinn]

Right hand is for the mouse.

You mean hamster?

[Niall_Quinn]

Would you be happy if we were top of the league?

I'd say, judge us at the end of the collapse.

[Letters]

Well, quite.

As I said before, if you think that we can't win the league because Wenger then fine. It's a valid opinion and one I think is probably true.

Just don't pretend that you think that the way the season has gone so far shows that, if a new manager had taken over and the results had been what they have been so far, no-one would be whining.

[Goonermerree]

Would you be happy if we were top of the league?

We topped the league for more weeks than any other team a few years ago and we still didn't win it. Just saying like.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, quite.

As I said before, if you think that we can't win the league because Wenger then fine. It's a valid opinion and one I think is probably true.

Just don't pretend that you think that the way the season has gone so far shows that, if a new manager had taken over and the results had been what they have been so far, no-one would be whining.

Blimey, if a new manager had taken over and we were putting in such shite performances I'd be mega worried. I wouldn't be happy at all. However, seeing as the guy would have just started, I'd give him time to sort his shit out. But not 10 years.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This season is just a sign of Wengers conservative instincts, like the manager himself totally lacking in dynamism, innovation and ambition.

Of course we know the board love him because they love his consistency, and he is that. Give him a patchwork squad full of holes or a reasonable squad with depth and the result is still the same.

He never falls too hard and he rarely if ever gets us above the line we've been at for years because that would involve him taking risk and the guy is totally risk adverse.

I would be content largely with the results this season, if the performances hadn't been so turgid. It's just not fun watching us play.

[Goonermerree]

And yet when you hear the pundits and commentators they all say that we play beautiful football, they're all living in the year 2004

[Kano]

This season is just a sign of Wengers conservative instincts, like the manager himself totally lacking in dynamism, innovation and ambition.

Of course we know the board love him because they love his consistency, and he is that. Give him a patchwork squad full of holes or a reasonable squad with depth and the result is still the same.

He never falls too hard and he rarely if ever gets us above the line we've been at for years because that would involve him taking risk and the guy is totally risk adverse.

I would be content largely with the results this season, if the performances hadn't been so turgid. It's just not fun watching us play.

It's not fun watching anyone play because of the shitty tactics employed by every team drilled to the bone to run until they drop. The Bielsa school of athletes sacrificing skill for endurance.

[Letters]

Blimey, if a new manager had taken over and we were putting in such shite performances I'd be mega worried. I wouldn't be happy at all. However, seeing as the guy would have just started, I'd give him time to sort his shit out. But not 10 years.

I said results, not performances. You always focus on whichever is worse.
But while I'd like to see us perform each week like we did against Chelsea, surely a manager should be mostly be judged on results, no?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's not fun watching anyone play because of the shitty tactics employed by every team drilled to the bone to run until they drop. The Bielsa school of athletes sacrificing skill for endurance.

I disagree, although there is always going to be spells in games where the quality drops. I think Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City have all performed better and have looked more aesthetically pleasing in more games than us this season.

For me we have only looked pleasing to watch Once since the Game against Basel on my Birthday (28th Sept) and that was at home to Ludogorets.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I said results, not performances. You always focus on whichever is worse.
But while I'd like to see us perform each week like we did against Chelsea, surely a manager should be mostly be judged on results, no?

Do either the results or performances give you any sense of enthusiasm for how the season will end up?

[Letters]

Well, the results are good enough so far. We're in touch at the top, right now that's all you can ask.
Performances have been patchy and that worries me, but it's a results game isn't it?

[selassie]

It will be different when Wenger has money to spend.

:lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well, the results are good enough so far. We're in touch at the top, right now that's all you can ask.
Performances have been patchy and that worries me, but it's a results game isn't it?

So ok(ish) results and poor performances

[Kano]

I disagree, although there is always going to be spells in games where the quality drops. I think Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City have all performed better and have looked more aesthetically pleasing in more games than us this season.

For me we have only looked pleasing to watch Once since the Game against Basel on my Birthday (28th Sept) and that was at home to Ludogorets.

I've no idea what highlights or games you've been watching to come to that. The pressing obsession and counter style has driven the quality down across the whole league. It's been happening for years. Even funnier, you've found Spurs more fun to watch when they've scored less and drawn as many games as they've won. Weird.

[Letters]

So ok(ish) results and poor performances

I guess that's about right but as I've said a few times I don't think anyone would be whining if a new manager came in and we got the results we've had so far.

[Power n Glory]

I guess that's about right but as I've said a few times I don't think anyone would be whining if a new manager came in and we got the results we've had so far.

The sites dead. Whose whining? We've managed to squeeze 8 pages out of the cup loss thread. People are switching off from Arsenal. It's deja vu.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've no idea what highlights or games you've been watching to come to that. The pressing obsession and counter style has driven the quality down across the whole league. It's been happening for years. Even funnier, you've found Spurs more fun to watch when they've scored less and drawn as many games as they've won. Weird.

I'm not the one conflating results and performances, I think counter attacks, pace and pressing is actually better to watch than fannying about on the ball and constant short passes.

It seems mystifying to me that people forget what a counter-attacking team Arsenal were at it's best under Wenger. No we weren't defensive but what we were adept at is maybe defending a corner and then thirty seconds later having the ball in the opposition net...we were great at it and it worked.

Wherever we won the ball back on the pitch we'd drive forward rather than tippety-tappety (i repeat i hated watching Spain do it and i hate even more watching us with far less technical ability do it)

Spurs been dreadful to watch in Europe, but in games like City at home and even for spells in the Chelsea game they have more purpose and dynamism in their passing and overlapping than we have shown in any game.

[Niall_Quinn]

I said results, not performances. You always focus on whichever is worse.
But while I'd like to see us perform each week like we did against Chelsea, surely a manager should be mostly be judged on results, no?

No, I have always said the performances are most important. Consistent performance delivers results consistently and consistent results win titles. Like Leicester when everyone around them lacked that consistency. Get the performance right and the results follow. And to get the performance right you need a solid team with solid reserves, you need planning, tactics. Above all you need ambition because without that there's no incentive to take a risk and without risk there's no chance of coming out top against a field of competitors striving to beat you. We know how deceptive results can be. We'll often string a set of results together on the back of a series of ramshackle performances. That's because we have talented individuals in the team who can pull a result out. sometimes against the run of play. But we are constantly teetering on the edge of the next big setback. We know when these setbacks arrive, like clockwork as soon as we face a major challenge that could influence the overall outcome of a season. So many years we have seen it now, the building hope and expectation that arrives at the game where we must get the result, where we must show we have enough about us to take command and control our own outcomes. And bang, it blows up. So many times. This is because you can't rely on a series of flat track bully results when the performance is not there.

The manager has to go. He's been failing for years now, in footballing terms. Coming second all the time, or third or fourth, qualifying for the CL all the time, whilst never actually challenging to win it or even progress to the later stages, stringing a cup run together. This is not the mark of a top team. This is the sign of a second tier team. That's what Wenger has built. A very profitable also-ran and that's totally unacceptable if you are genuinely in a sport to win. We aren't and it's because of him. Too many years have passed now to accept any more excuses made on his behalf. Maureen might be the biggest cunt in football, but when he called Wenger a specialist in failure he was absolutely correct. In a football sense he's the biggest loser in the game. Of course, financially speaking, he's a genius. No argument there. That's why the leeches clamp on and won't let go. Money, money, money.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I guess that's about right but as I've said a few times I don't think anyone would be whining if a new manager came in and we got the results we've had so far.

And as NQ rightly said, it's the performances that are as predictably turgid that are as much the problem. Football is a results game but you seem to forget it's about entertainment.

If we played just as badly under a new manager you might think well hopefully we might improve with Wenger you know it's par for the course.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, the results are good enough so far. We're in touch at the top, right now that's all you can ask.
Performances have been patchy and that worries me, but it's a results game isn't it?

So many fans have lowered their expectations to match the club's. If all we can ask from Arsenal football club is to be hanging on the tails of, let's face it, much weaker opponents than the Utds and Chavskis we used to be up against then it's a sad indictment. I don't see anything spectacular about the chavs or the gypos or Pool. What I see is us failing to capitalise on a pretty weak league again. We couldn't catch Leicester last year - how Wenger survived that is a fucking mystery - and I'd still back us to fail if we were 10 points ahead this year. Because the second best, it'll do, you can't expect more, we're doing okay attitude has rotted the club to the core.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So many fans have lowered their expectations to match the club's. If all we can ask from Arsenal football club is to be hanging on the tails of, let's face it, much weaker opponents than the Utds and Chavskis we used to be up against then it's a sad indictment. I don't see anything spectacular about the chavs or the gypos or Pool. What I see is us failing to capitalise on a pretty weak league again. We couldn't catch Leicester last year - how Wenger survived that is a fucking mystery - and I'd still back us to fail if we were 10 points ahead this year. Because the second best, it'll do, you can't expect more, we're doing okay attitude has rotted the club to the core.

It's the risk adverse mentality that permeates much of football, 1st is great but do we really want to push to get it when 2nd,3rd, 4th is good. Wenger embodies the risk adverse mentality because he's naturally slow to change and is extremely conservative. It's great if you love consistency, not so great if your a fan paying the highest ticket prices on the European continent and your team used to be synonymous with great football and winning things.

[Niall_Quinn]

The sites dead. Whose whining? We've managed to squeeze 8 pages out of the cup loss thread. People are switching off from Arsenal. It's deja vu.

Spot on. You can only watch the same thing so many times before cynicism becomes the norm. And in fairness, our cynicism is mild compared to the fuckers in charge of this club.

[Letters]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business" :shrug:

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's the risk adverse mentality that permeates much of football, 1st is great but do we really want to push to get it when 2nd,3rd, 4th is good. Wenger embodies the risk adverse mentality because he's naturally slow to change and is extremely conservative. It's great if you love consistency, not so great if your a fan paying the highest ticket prices on the European continent and your team used to be synonymous with great football and winning things.

That damn cup final in 2005. I wish we'd been hammered 4-0 in that landmark, end of an era embarrassment. Following on from that it took a while for things to get to the point where it became obvious the previous heights were never coming back. But there was still some hope. Now we just hope for 2-3 good performances a season. That's our lot. And at the same time the rewards for delivering up this third rate shit have grown exponentially. It's the corporate hallmark. Let them in and watch it all go to hell and pay through the nose while you get there.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business" :shrug:

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

If you are consistently playing well and consistently not getting results, than there is only one thing to take from that....you aren't consistently playing well.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Spot on. You can only watch the same thing so many times before cynicism becomes the norm. And in fairness, our cynicism is mild compared to the fuckers in charge of this club.

I tend to post more on the Non Football posts, just to alleviate work boredom. There is just so little to discuss about Arsenal after so many years of the same gruel.

[Niall_Quinn]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business" :shrug:

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

So you've decided what people say, even when they don't say it? Well, I guess you'll always be right then.

[Letters]

If you are consistently playing well and consistently not getting results, than there is only one thing to take from that....you aren't consistently playing well.

So if you're consistently getting good results does that mean you are consistently playing well?

[Letters]

So you've decided what people say, even when they don't say it? Well, I guess you'll always be right then.

I learned from the best...


:coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So if you're consistently getting good results does that mean you are consistently playing well?

Well it's more likely than not

We have been sketchy at best for two months and we can't say the results have been good. Like i say poor form, ok results

[Niall_Quinn]

I tend to post more on the Non Football posts, just to alleviate work boredom. There is just so little to discuss about Arsenal after so many years of the same gruel.

Santi's annual injury isn't even worth the ink any more.

[Niall_Quinn]

I learned from the best...


:coffee:

And there it is. The one line closer hot on the heels of another failed mission to apologise for a decade of nothing. Nothing of substance, just a proclamation of how everything is fine provided it's not compared to the almost identical stream of more, "everything is fine", failure that has gone before. This time, this time, it'll be different. All the signs are there provided the eraser is taken to a whole decade. Other teams would KILL to be in our shoes - you missed that one.

[Power n Glory]

It's the first of December and we're:

Fourth in the League.
Runners-up in a CL group we should have won.
Out of the League Cup.


And our most influential player needs an operation keeping him out of the side for three months - a month and a half after getting injured.

Who the fuck could have seen this coming?

This should have been a hint for you, Letters.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyway, I can feel a Dreyfus moment coming on so breathe, relax, try not to shoot own face off.

http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LomSellers.jpg

[Letters]

Well it's more likely than not

We have been sketchy at best for two months and we can't say the results have been good. Like i say poor form, ok results

Results in November were patchy at best. The next 3 league games will be interesting. The two are very winnable then it's City which is a test.
While we're 'up there' I'm not going to complain too loudly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Results in November were patchy at best. The next 3 league games will be interesting. The two are very winnable then it's City which is a test.
While we're 'up there' I'm not going to complain too loudly.

what you yourself do is immaterial, just don't feel too inclined to face palm when other's dont share your relatively optimistic appraisal

There should be no fixture to a club of our size which is not "winnable", however when we have struggled to the extent we have there is a big gaping hole between winnable and should win.

West Ham aren't quite as bad at home as people believe, and I think we could very easily play into their hands to give them something and very possibly all three points.

We have a massive problem in the full back area, caused by injury on the right hand side and a player who just isn't good enough on the left hand side

We are presenting sides with far too many chances and we have only to see how it just takes a ball into the box for a player like Carroll to punish us when we aren't especially aerially adept.

The difference in the way your viewing it is, well we are getting results when we aren't playing well so hopefully we will do even better when we are

I look at it like, the good performances are becoming a distant memory and sooner rather than later we are going to get properly punished for playing like this.

[selassie]

No, I have always said the performances are most important. Consistent performance delivers results consistently and consistent results win titles. Like Leicester when everyone around them lacked that consistency. Get the performance right and the results follow. And to get the performance right you need a solid team with solid reserves, you need planning, tactics. Above all you need ambition because without that there's no incentive to take a risk and without risk there's no chance of coming out top against a field of competitors striving to beat you. We know how deceptive results can be. We'll often string a set of results together on the back of a series of ramshackle performances. That's because we have talented individuals in the team who can pull a result out. sometimes against the run of play. But we are constantly teetering on the edge of the next big setback. We know when these setbacks arrive, like clockwork as soon as we face a major challenge that could influence the overall outcome of a season. So many years we have seen it now, the building hope and expectation that arrives at the game where we must get the result, where we must show we have enough about us to take command and control our own outcomes. And bang, it blows up. So many times. This is because you can't rely on a series of flat track bully results when the performance is not there.

The manager has to go. He's been failing for years now, in footballing terms. Coming second all the time, or third or fourth, qualifying for the CL all the time, whilst never actually challenging to win it or even progress to the later stages, stringing a cup run together. This is not the mark of a top team. This is the sign of a second tier team. That's what Wenger has built. A very profitable also-ran and that's totally unacceptable if you are genuinely in a sport to win. We aren't and it's because of him. Too many years have passed now to accept any more excuses made on his behalf. Maureen might be the biggest cunt in football, but when he called Wenger a specialist in failure he was absolutely correct. In a football sense he's the biggest loser in the game. Of course, financially speaking, he's a genius. No argument there. That's why the leeches clamp on and won't let go. Money, money, money.

:gp:

[Letters]

what you yourself do is immaterial, just don't feel too inclined to face palm when other's dont share your relatively optimistic appraisal.
That's fine, but plenty of people facepalm at my cheery optimism as if that's a bad thing.


The difference in the way your viewing it is, well we are getting results when we aren't playing well so hopefully we will do even better when we are
I look at it like, the good performances are becoming a distant memory and sooner rather than later we are going to get properly punished for playing like this.

I think that's probably right and I'm not exactly doing cartwheels about our performances but results so far have been fine. I'm just hoping they start clicking again, we really shouldn't be this dependant on Carzola, we've got enough good players.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's fine, but plenty of people facepalm at my cheery optimism as if that's a bad thing.



I think that's probably right and I'm not exactly doing cartwheels about our performances but results so far have been fine. I'm just hoping they start clicking again, we really shouldn't be this dependant on Carzola, we've got enough good players.

Because people want rid of Wenger, they love this club and they are frustrated and frankly bored shitless by the football and the near predictability of our seasonal trajectory.

They don't see reasons to be cheerful, because they are sick of watching tripe getting the minimal results from sub par performances, a no frills airline might get you to where your going but it's a mode of transport and what's the point of being a fan of an entertainment format which you are deriving no entertainment from.

I'd love for this club to win major honours, but also frankly I want rid of Wenger now come what may. I don't feel any personal animus to him the way others do (and that's there choice) but I could do without watching my team play and constantly shaking my head or sighing in frustration....where is the enjoyment there?.

And as I made the point it's not because Wenger is a blithering incompetent, no he's the very model of efficient conservative consistency but his consistency is only capable of taking us so far and his stubborness, unwillingness to adapt quick enough to the modern game and what appears to be a lack of both innovation and inspiration that he puts into his teams it's just turgid.

Chelsea is the only game this season which I really got a lot of pleasure out of watching, granted Chelsea were poor but we gave them no chance to be anything else and really with 21 games played this season I dont think it's much to ask to enjoy watching more than one of those games.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The sites dead. Whose whining? We've managed to squeeze 8 pages out of the cup loss thread. People are switching off from Arsenal. It's deja vu.

I rarely post now because what is there left to say about Arsenal?

For the first time since I've moved to London in 1991 I've not gone to a single match and have no wish to do so.

I've kept my silver membership in the hope that things will improve some time in the future.

But it won't be this season.

[Globalgunner]

Because people want rid of Wenger, they love this club and they are frustrated and frankly bored shitless by the football and the near predictability of our seasonal trajectory.

They don't see reasons to be cheerful, because they are sick of watching tripe getting the minimal results from sub par performances, a no frills airline might get you to where your going but it's a mode of transport and what's the point of being a fan of an entertainment format which you are deriving no entertainment from.

I'd love for this club to win major honours, but also frankly I want rid of Wenger now come what may. I don't feel any personal animus to him the way others do (and that's there choice) but I could do without watching my team play and constantly shaking my head or sighing in frustration....where is the enjoyment there?.

And as I made the point it's not because Wenger is a blithering incompetent, no he's the very model of efficient conservative consistency but his consistency is only capable of taking us so far and his stubborness, unwillingness to adapt quick enough to the modern game and what appears to be a lack of both innovation and inspiration that he puts into his teams it's just turgid.

Chelsea is the only game this season which I really got a lot of pleasure out of watching, granted Chelsea were poor but we gave them no chance to be anything else and really with 21 games played this season I dont think it's much to ask to enjoy watching more than one of those games.

Even in that Chelsea game It was a typical 2nd half. Cruising in the first half, we reverted to type and did not press our advantage in the 2nd, typical Wenger as if we were so surprised at how well we played, we didnt want to risk ballsing it up by playing as we did 1st half. You can be sure if the tables were turned, Chelsea would have put 5 or 7 past us.

[Chippy]

I'm not the one conflating results and performances, I think counter attacks, pace and pressing is actually better to watch than fannying about on the ball and constant short passes.

It seems mystifying to me that people forget what a counter-attacking team Arsenal were at it's best under Wenger. No we weren't defensive but what we were adept at is maybe defending a corner and then thirty seconds later having the ball in the opposition net...we were great at it and it worked.

Wherever we won the ball back on the pitch we'd drive forward ratherf than tippety-tappety (i repeat i hated watching Spain do it and i hate even more watching us with far less technical ability do it)

Spurs been dreadful to watch in Europe, but in games like City at home and even for spells in the Chelsea game they have more purpose and dynamism in their passing and overlapping than we have shown in any game.
Praising the Spuds got me banned when I was Ashburton 2006! Ban him! Bloody favouritism!

[GP]

Praising the Spuds got me banned when I was Ashburton 2006!

lol no it didn't.

[Power n Glory]

I rarely post now because what is there left to say about Arsenal?

For the first time since I've moved to London in 1991 I've not gone to a single match and have no wish to do so.

I've kept my silver membership in the hope that things will improve some time in the future.

But it won't be this season.

There isn't much to say that has't already been said. Your opening post sun's it up. It's same the pattern. It's not just here that's dead, I hardly talk about Arsenal with family or friends these days. We've all lost interest.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Praising the Spuds got me banned when I was Ashburton 2006! Ban him! Bloody favouritism!

They'd only be doing me a favour :haha:

[alexander]

There isn't much to say that has't already been said. Your opening post sun's it up. It's same the pattern. It's not just here that's dead, I hardly talk about Arsenal with family or friends these days. We've all lost interest.

Im not sure if it Arsenals fault, or if Ive just grown up and have different interests/priorities. Im 36 now, supported them since I started going about 8 (1988) Dad who is 70 has supported them for 60 years. We used to love going, went to 12-14 games a season, it was quite a part of our life. Today I went over to see me folks and I brought Arsenal up. All my dad said was why "why did Wenger change up the team so much for the Southampton game? We should try to win everything. Same old stuff boy, November, we are out of EFL cup, 4th in the league, come second in the CL group satge and will be knocked out in the next round. Oh and why do we have so many injuries. Its shit." And that was it. Its a shame, but we do seem to go through EXACTLY the same stuff each year.

I will always invest something of myself in Arsenal, but its not much these days.

[Niall_Quinn]

Im not sure if it Arsenals fault, or if Ive just grown up and have different interests/priorities. Im 36 now, supported them since I started going about 8 (1988) Dad who is 70 has supported them for 60 years. We used to love going, went to 12-14 games a season, it was quite a part of our life. Today I went over to see me folks and I brought Arsenal up. All my dad said was why "why did Wenger change up the team so much for the Southampton game? We should try to win everything. Same old stuff boy, November, we are out of EFL cup, 4th in the league, come second in the CL group satge and will be knocked out in the next round. Oh and why do we have so many injuries. Its shit." And that was it. Its a shame, but we do seem to go through EXACTLY the same stuff each year.

I will always invest something of myself in Arsenal, but its not much these days.

Ask your dad to have a word with Letters would you?

[LDG]

Praising the Spuds got me banned when I was Ashburton 2006! Ban him! Bloody favouritism!

Nope. It got you banned for being a spud.

Funny, I did smell spud on you in your new guise.

Fucking massive co-incidence.

Lollerz. At least you have.....nothing to gloat about.

[LDG]

Results in November were patchy at best. The next 3 league games will be interesting. The two are very winnable then it's City which is a test.
While we're 'up there' I'm not going to complain too loudly.

(Hope I'm wrong)

We'll lose against West Ham.

We'll produce one good performance before Christmas.

We'll be in the same position next year.

How many years of exactly the same will it take people to see a pattern?

[fakeyank]

(Hope I'm wrong)

We'll lose against West Ham.

We'll produce one good performance before Christmas.

We'll be in the same position next year.

How many years of exactly the same will it take people to see a pattern?

Everything resets at the end of our season. Even intelligence.

[Kano]

(Hope I'm wrong)

We'll lose against West Ham.

We'll produce one good performance before Christmas.

We'll be in the same position next year.

How many years of exactly the same will it take people to see a pattern?
People do see the same pattern but what do you expect them to do?

It's football. There is no logic. You just keep supporting. When you're drugged by it as a kid there's no escape. You know the drill.

[Chippy]

lol no it didn't.

Lol! Twice :(

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ask your dad to have a word with Letters would you?

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

(Hope I'm wrong)

We'll lose against West Ham.

We'll produce one good performance before Christmas.

We'll be in the same position next year.

How many years of exactly the same will it take people to see a pattern?

If it's going on the same thing year in year out then we'll win a lot of games in December.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If it's going on the same thing year in year out then we'll win a lot of games in December.

Things aren't exactly mirrored but if you look at every season where we have had title aspirations it's generally gone belly up between mid February and mid March. It's not a mystery it's always when the champions league starts again it tends to fuck us up.

[Letters]

(Hope I'm wrong)

We'll lose against West Ham.

We'll produce one good performance before Christmas.

We'll be in the same position next year.

How many years of exactly the same will it take people to see a pattern?

Of course there's a pattern but:

1) Some of the failings we see now have always been there under Wenger. People act like he's suddenly gone mad and now has no clue what he's doing. Balls. He's still a very good manager, you don't finish in the top 4 every single year if you don't know what you're doing.

2) Patterns don't necessarily go on forever. I remember we met up before that League Cup Final vs Birmingham and we bumped into each other afterwards and we were both FUMING :lol: . I think we both felt then, as many did, that that was it - we'd never win another trophy under Wenger. But now we have. A few years ago when we got the new financial deals we started to spend proper money and it's got us players like Ozil and Sanchez. Those players can make a difference, they are making a difference. Whether it's enough, with a few other additions this year, remains to be seen. If I was a betting man I'd say no, but while we're up there I have to think we have SOME chance, otherwise what's the point in watching at all? It's the triumph of hope over experience maybe, but the whole point of watching sport is you don't really know what's going to happen.

[Letters]

the whole point of watching sport is you don't really know what's going to happen.
Just seen what happened in the Bournemouth vs Liverpool game... :wacko:
Case in point!

[Xhaka Can’t]

I hope this thread continues to provide me embarrassment all season.

[Kano]

Well timed you sneaky bastard :lol:

[Letters]

Who is that directed at?

[LDG]

I hope this thread continues to provide me embarrassment all season.

And all the other threads too.

I am also just waiting to eat humble pie at the table of Letters.

[Kano]

Who is that directed at?

Gareth

[Letters]

And all the other threads too.

I am also just waiting to eat humble pie at the table of Letters.

Yeah! Eat my pie! :cool:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah! Eat my pie! :cool:

is this something you're hoping Mrs Letters says to you later on this evening?

[Letters]

:lol:

Anyway...so far I'm pretty happy with how this season is going, for now that's all we can say.




I'll judge this season at the end ##