Wenger - In or out?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Does Wenger get to see out his contract until 2019 or does he walk or get sacked?

No he walks before 2019
No he's sacked before 2019
Yes but he calls it a day in 2019
Yes and he extends his contract past 2019

[The Emirates Gallactico]

It's pretty clear he doesn't give two shits about the fans anymore despite some of his comments yesterday.

He'll see out his contract at least and honestly, and this is depressing thinking about, if we somehow manage to scrape top 4 or CL football courtesy of winning the Europa Cup, he'll be offered a new contract by Kroenke which he'll accept.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Ozil and Ox leave I think Wenger will become a top top top manager. It has been mostly those two players causing all the problems.

[GP]

We all know he stays. The time to go was after the Cup final. In 2014.

[Niall_Quinn]

If the transfer window shut before the season started we'd have far fewer problems. Consider the fact we've had 10 poor seasons and in each of those seasons, without exception (and I can provide the proof), the transfer window shut AFTER the season started. 10 seasons in a row? That's way beyond the bounds of coincidence.

[Marc Overmars]

I'll judge him at the end of the contract.

[Özim]

Pound for pound one of the worst managers Arsenal has ever had, with everything considered he's turned us into a horrible small time club with no ambition, who don't care about the fans at all, only care about money and seemingly are all talk.

He's destroyed this club for me, yes you can look back at the successes but look at the club now, would anyone have really wished for a club like this, I certainly wouldn't, he's a walking disaster as manager.

He should be sacked (and would have been at any other big club) so I chose that, but the reality is he'll stay on for as long as he wants to, pretty sad that a manager can become bigger than the club.

[rodders]

Kroenke is the real villain here. Any owner that gave a hoot would have sacked Wenger long ago.

[selassie]

"He does what he wants, he's Arsene Wenger he does what he wants"

He would have been sacked at any of the other top 4 or 5 clubs for his gross mismanagement over the past what 5 or 6 seasons and that is me being kind.

What he is doing now is damaging yet he is still here with a shiny new contract and a pay rise.

What levels do we need to sink to for this man to be accountable for the mess he has created?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pound for pound one of the worst managers Arsenal has ever had

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Niall_Quinn]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

At this moment in time, he's without a doubt the worst manager in Arsenal's history. It's inconceivable that any other manager from our past could have fucked things up this badly. This is the developing question, isn't it. When Wenger's achievements are set against his growing list of catastrophes, how will he be remembered? At this moment he should be thanking his lucky stars for characters like Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Gilberto... Players that all managed to overcome the Wenger deficit.

Personally I'm becoming deeply suspicious about Wenger's "successes" and wondering just how much input he had beyond the advantages he brought here in the early years which he couldn't maintain. And you can say I'm pissing on his legacy. Maybe true. But it's a trickle of piss compared to the deluge Wenger is pissing all over himself.

[Power n Glory]

At this moment in time, he's without a doubt the worst manager in Arsenal's history. It's inconceivable that any other manager from our past could have fucked things up this badly. This is the developing question, isn't it. When Wenger's achievements are set against his growing list of catastrophes, how will he be remembered? At this moment he should be thanking his lucky stars for characters like Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Gilberto... Players that all managed to overcome the Wenger deficit.

Personally I'm becoming deeply suspicious about Wenger's "successes" and wondering just how much input he had beyond the advantages he brought here in the early years which he couldn't maintain. And you can say I'm pissing on his legacy. Maybe true. But it's a trickle of piss compared to the deluge Wenger is pissing all over himself.

Revisionism. :coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

One of my biggest flaws as a person is an inability to not have an argument, the need to get into a debate for hours on end.

Because otherwise I run the risk of the other person thinking I don't have a case.

Ultimately stupid because other people will think that anyway just as I often think the same of them

Today I'm not going to take the bait. It's too nice outside.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Revisionism. :coffee:

What he said

[Niall_Quinn]

One word responses. Sometimes the best way to respond, but in this case more instinctive I think, than informed. Because all of us have now surely come to the realisation Wenger is tactically incompetent and couldn't motivate a rock to roll downhill. Does anyone still deny these rather obvious realities?

My thoughts are now that Wenger brought an off the field revolution and an early advantage in the developing European transfer market, but brought almost nothing in terms of on-field management. That was all left to the players. This is what the sustained evidence is starting to support.

What if Wenger getting involved with on-field considerations was the catalyst for the steady decline?

I don't think a one word protection racket is going to shield Wenger's legacy for much longer. In Wengerland every river is the Rubicon but fans are starting to get their feet wet on a regular basis. He's not a man that enjoys being questioned but now it is time to question everything about this guy. He is destroying our club, after all.

[Power n Glory]

One word responses. Sometimes the best way to respond, but in this case more instinctive I think, than informed. Because all of us have now surely come to the realisation Wenger is tactically incompetent and couldn't motivate a rock to roll downhill. Does anyone still deny these rather obvious realities?

My thoughts are now that Wenger brought an off the field revolution and an early advantage in the developing European transfer market, but brought almost nothing in terms of on-field management. That was all left to the players. This is what the sustained evidence is starting to support.

What if Wenger getting involved with on-field considerations was the catalyst for the steady decline?

I don't think a one word protection racket is going to shield Wenger's legacy for much longer. In Wengerland every river is the Rubicon but fans are starting to get their feet wet on a regular basis. He's not a man that enjoys being questioned but now it is time to question everything about this guy. He is destroying our club, after all.

I’m only messing around when I say ‘revisionism’. I’ve argued similar to what you’re saying and been accused of revisionism. He’s never been a great tactician and the standard of players and coaching wasn’t as advanced as it is now. It is what it is. We’re getting new information about Wenger’s coaching style all the time. It just sheds more light on the past.

[Power n Glory]

One of my biggest flaws as a person is an inability to not have an argument, the need to get into a debate for hours on end.

Because otherwise I run the risk of the other person thinking I don't have a case.

Ultimately stupid because other people will think that anyway just as I often think the same of them

Today I'm not going to take the bait. It's too nice outside.

That explains a lot and something I've always suspected. :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That explains a lot and something I've always suspected. :lol:

The difference between you and me is that I'm prepared to admit it

Also in case there's any misunderstanding. I'm not for a second saying I argue for the sake of arguing (a claim you've often made). I'm saying far too often I get into an argument with someone I disagree with when it's easier to leave it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Case in point. Have someone this morning make the argument that we wouldn't have lost as badly on Sunday if Jamie O'Hara who is currently at Billericay Town was playing in midfield instead of Ramsey.

Now I have a long and Proud history of Ramsey bashing. That's too rich for my blood. But I'm just not getting into it

[Özim]

At this moment in time, he's without a doubt the worst manager in Arsenal's history. It's inconceivable that any other manager from our past could have fucked things up this badly. This is the developing question, isn't it. When Wenger's achievements are set against his growing list of catastrophes, how will he be remembered? At this moment he should be thanking his lucky stars for characters like Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Gilberto... Players that all managed to overcome the Wenger deficit.

Personally I'm becoming deeply suspicious about Wenger's "successes" and wondering just how much input he had beyond the advantages he brought here in the early years which he couldn't maintain. And you can say I'm pissing on his legacy. Maybe true. But it's a trickle of piss compared to the deluge Wenger is pissing all over himself.

Totally agree with this, when he arrived he inherited leaders like Adams, Keown etc and this helped him with his successes a lot, this was alos passed onto the later generation through Vieira and co, but when Wenger got rid of these players without slowing phasing them out and getting the younger players to learn from them this stopped.

He signed some top players back then as well, this was due to his advantage with regards knowing the Frech league which was producing a lot of talent at the time. Since these things have disappeared he's had very little success, you have to question those achievements when a supposedly great manager cannot reproduce anything of note in 13 years. I don't think you'll find too many top managers who win lots early in their career and then literally win nothing of note and don't even compete for the major priczes for years after that.

He's tainted his legacy in my eyes anyway, I'll remember him for the guy who never listened, didn't care about anyone but himself and claimed losing was being successful.

[Power n Glory]

The difference between you and me is that I'm prepared to admit it

Also in case there's any misunderstanding. I'm not for a second saying I argue for the sake of arguing (a claim you've often made). I'm saying far too often I get into an argument with someone I disagree with when it's easier to leave it.

If I have a strong opinion and there is thought behind what I'm saying, I'll express it and break it down in detail. But it's only on certain platforms, like GW, where the whole purpose is to debate and discuss. It's quite easy to ignore a throwaway comment if it's neither the time or place for a lengthy discussion.

[AFC Leveller]

I think he'll stay for the remainder of his contract at least. He loves it here, has no life outside Arsenal and has a boss that's given him a free ride.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If I have a strong opinion and there is thought behind what I'm saying, I'll express it and break it down in detail. But it's only on certain platforms, like GW, where the whole purpose is to debate and discuss. It's quite easy to ignore a throwaway comment if it's neither the time or place for a lengthy discussion.

I'm only referring to places like this or other social media in fairness.

The Jamie O'Hara remark wasn't a throwaway comment. The guy made a lengthy argument for it, he was deadly serious it wasn't hyperbole.

It was necessary in this instance just to walk away from it

If I challenged or debated everything people say that was either fallacious or I disagreed with. Well suffice to say there aren't enough hours in the day.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm only referring to places like this or other social media in fairness.

The Jamie O'Hara remark wasn't a throwaway comment. The guy made a lengthy argument for it, he was deadly serious it wasn't hyperbole.

If I challenged or debated everything people say that was either fallacious or I disagreed with. Well suffice to say there aren't enough hours in the day.

On the other hand, even Wenger subbed Ramsey off. And this isn't because Ramsey is an inferior player to this O'Hara guy, obviously that notion is pure bullshit but it sounds to me like that's not the argument that was being made. Surely the argument was that anyone would have been better than nobody in the midfield. And on Sunday we had nobody in the midfield. Ramsey and Xhaka were regularly abandoning their posts and exposing the defence. This allowed Liverpool to move the ball up the pitch in seconds and straight into the danger area. The really worrying aspect was not Ramsey's play, although that was worrying enough, but more the length of time it took Wenger to spot and correct the blatantly obvious problem. This feeds into the argument that it really doesn't matter much how good our players are because Wenger's tactics are so deficient. If O'Hara had been pubbing it out in our midfield and did little more than present a barrier to the advancing opposition, well perhaps he might have been more effective than Ramsey was, it's not an argument totally lacking in merit. I'd rather not have O'Hara in our midfield, of course. I'd rather have Ramsey there. Trouble is, Ramsey isn't there nearly enough. His performance was catastrophic on Sunday.

[Letters]

One word responses. Sometimes the best way to respond, but in this case more instinctive I think, than informed. Because all of us have now surely come to the realisation Wenger is tactically incompetent and couldn't motivate a rock to roll downhill. Does anyone still deny these rather obvious realities?
I don't think anyone has ever argued that Wenger is either a master tactician or a good motivator.
But he has other qualities which in the early days more than made up for those failings. He has strengths and weaknesses like any manager does.
His strengths in the early days were a knowledge of the European and worldwide game which was unparalleled at the time. He brought in players which weren't on any other clubs radars. He had an eye for a bargain too, players with potential
And he brought in training and fitness methods which were, at the time, revolutionary. It has to be remembered that he came in at a time when there were still "drinking schools" in clubs and players would munch Mars bars and fried food after game. He changed all that.

You don't have to be much of a tactician when you have a squad as good as ours was in those days, and you don't need to be much of a motivator when you have captains like Adams and then Vieira. Off the field our transfer dealings were helped by Dein who seemed to be a shrewd operator. But now we don't have Dein and we don't have a captain. These days all clubs have a worldwide and sophisticated scouting network, Wenger can't now cherry pick players before other clubs even know about them. And all clubs now have sophisticated training and fitness regimes, most have now surpassed us.

So it's not that Wenger was once this towering genius and is now a bumbling buffoon. He has strengths and weaknesses like any manager. In the early days those strengths were revolutionary and gave us an edge, we were better technically than other clubs, we had better players, our players were fitter. His weaknesses were more than compensated for by those strengths - although there were hints of them, the failures in Europe with a squad which really should have won the CL. But now other clubs have caught up and overtaken us in those areas so all that is left are the weaknesses. The billionaires coming in, mopping up many of the best players and inflating the market didn't help of course.

I see Wenger's time with us in 3 stages:

1) The early days when his revolutionary techniques transformed us and made us, for a time, the best team in the country.
2) The middle era when other clubs were catching up, the billionaires started poking their nose in and we were going through a complex stadium move - in my view he did reasonably well in that era to keep us relatively competitive.
3) The last few years in which the money has been available to properly challenge and he is looking lost in an increasingly crazy transfer market. and players now seem to have lost faith in him

It's not that Wenger has changed, it's that he HASN'T changed in response to the way football has changed around him. He can't change and as PnG (I think it was him) rather astutely said one time, not many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than in their 30s and 40s. To quote The Simpsons, he used to be with it but then they changed what "it" was.

It has to be remembered that this level of expectation we have comes from his early years with us. Yes, we won titles before Wenger but we never expected to challenge every year. 5th and the FA Cup would have been considered a pretty decent season back in the day, some people on here need to go back and read Fever Pitch to remind themselves what it used to be like. Although "what it used to be like" was football being a sport of course, players being local heroes rather than bought in prima-donna mercenaries who will be off the first time someone waves an even bigger bag of money at them. There have been other changes at the club and in the sport which you can't entirely lay at Wenger's door.

I've never liked the personal abuse directed at him but when he signed that new contract though he must have known that things would get nasty if we didn't challenge this year so on his head be it. But I don't think the changes he made in his early time with us and that places that took us to should be dismissed or diminished. Never thought I'd see Arsenal do some of the things we did under Wenger in those early years, the Double (twice!), an unbeaten league season and all with a style of football which puts that team up there with any of the great sides in history in my opinion. It's a shame how he's gone from revolutionary to anachronism but I guess that's what happens when you stay still for too long while all around you moves on.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think he'll stay for the remainder of his contract at least. He loves it here, has no life outside Arsenal and has a boss that's given him a free ride.

I think this all hinges on the hateful Euro League. If that gets off the ground in 2019/20 it will coincide with the end of Wenger's latest contract. I believe Kroenke sees Wenger as a safe pair of hands, financially and in terms of delivering at least a bare minimum on the pitch, until Arsenal achieves a lock-in in this new, hateful league. Then the value of the club will double overnight and Kroenke will have achieved a grotesque return on his investment. Wenger can saunter off with a huge bonus cheque in his pocket and Kroenke can ask Usmanov to think again on his paltry 1.5 billion offer. It seems obvious to me that Wenger's position as Arsenal manager has almost nothing to do with football achievement. How can it? Wenger has shown himself again and again to be incapable and that's not going to change. There must be some other motive in play here. I think it's the oldest one in the book - greed.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

On the other hand, even Wenger subbed Ramsey off. And this isn't because Ramsey is an inferior player to this O'Hara guy, obviously that notion is pure bullshit but it sounds to me like that's not the argument that was being made.

This guy is a mate of mine and I can tell you that's precisely what he was Arguing

To be sure I even asked him what he meant and he said no I'm saying O'Hara is a better player overall.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think anyone has ever argued that Wenger is either a master tactician or a good motivator.
But he has other qualities which in the early days more than made up for those failings. He has strengths and weaknesses like any manager does.
His strengths in the early days were a knowledge of the European and worldwide game which was unparalleled at the time. He brought in players which weren't on any other clubs radars. He had an eye for a bargain too, players with potential
And he brought in training and fitness methods which were, at the time, revolutionary. It has to be remembered that he came in at a time when there were still "drinking schools" in clubs and players would munch Mars bars and fried food after game. He changed all that.

You don't have to be much of a tactician when you have a squad as good as ours was in those days, and you don't need to be much of a motivator when you have captains like Adams and then Vieira. Off the field our transfer dealings were helped by Dein who seemed to be a shrewd operator. But now we don't have Dein and we don't have a captain. These days all clubs have a worldwide and sophisticated scouting network, Wenger can't now cherry pick players before other clubs even know about them. And all clubs now have sophisticated training and fitness regimes, most have now surpassed us.

So it's not that Wenger was once this towering genius and is now a bumbling buffoon. He has strengths and weaknesses like any manager. In the early days those strengths were revolutionary and gave us an edge, we were better technically than other clubs, we had better players, our players were fitter. His weaknesses were more than compensated for by those strengths - although there were hints of them, the failures in Europe with a squad which really should have won the CL. But now other clubs have caught up and overtaken us in those areas so all that is left are the weaknesses. The billionaires coming in, mopping up many of the best players and inflating the market didn't help of course.

I see Wenger's time with us in 3 stages:

1) The early days when his revolutionary techniques transformed us and made us, for a time, the best team in the country.
2) The middle era when other clubs were catching up, the billionaires started poking their nose in and we were going through a complex stadium move - in my view he did reasonably well in that era to keep us relatively competitive.
3) The last few years in which the money has been available to properly challenge and he is looking lost in an increasingly crazy transfer market. and players now seem to have lost faith in him

It's not that Wenger has changed, it's that he HASN'T changed in response to the way football has changed around him. He can't change and as PnG (I think it was him) rather astutely said one time, not many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than in their 30s and 40s. To quote The Simpsons, he used to be with it but then they changed what "it" was.

It has to be remembered that this level of expectation we have comes from his early years with us. Yes, we won titles before Wenger but we never expected to challenge every year. 5th and the FA Cup would have been considered a pretty decent season back in the day, some people on here need to go back and read Fever Pitch to remind themselves what it used to be like. Although "what it used to be like" was football being a sport of course, players being local heroes rather than bought in prima-donna mercenaries who will be off the first time someone waves an even bigger bag of money at them. There have been other changes at the club and in the sport which you can't entirely lay at Wenger's door.

I've never liked the personal abuse directed at him but when he signed that new contract though he must have known that things would get nasty if we didn't challenge this year so on his head be it. But I don't think the changes he made in his early time with us and that places that took us to should be dismissed or diminished. Never thought I'd see Arsenal do some of the things we did under Wenger in those early years, the Double (twice!), an unbeaten league season and all with a style of football which puts that team up there with any of the great sides in history in my opinion. It's a shame how he's gone from revolutionary to anachronism but I guess that's what happens when you stay still for too long while all around you moves on.

Hmmmmm. There's a big, big problem with what you are saying here.

I agree with it.

This is a strange turn of events and will take some time to digest.

BUT.

Wenger was actually viewed as an across the board genius at the time. It was Ferguson versus Wenger and they were viewed as the two giants of the English game. It was implied that Wenger was a great football manager, great enough to not only be mentioned in the same breath as Ferguson but seen as a legitimate equivalent. This is a problem that has come back to haunt us. Nobody questioned Wenger. It was assumed he was a great.

In fact he was well ahead of Ferguson in some respects, but all of them related to off the field functions. Transfers, Wenger could but for 500k what Ferguson has to spend millions on. Training and conditioning. Wenger at least had the sense to prevent his players getting pissed before a match and insisted they treat their bodies like sportsmen ought to. Hardly revolutionary in terms of sport in general, but a whole new concept for football.

Wenger was first, and that was the secret. You can't repeat it. You can't be the first to do a specific thing, twice. That doesn't in any way detract from Wenger's achievement in these areas, but management of other areas of the club were just as important, the stuff that happens on the pitch. The very reason the fans turn out to watch. This is where Wenger's legacy will end up shot to pieces. He should have moved upstairs after the 2006 Cup Final win. I mean, look at this man - he's had THREE opportunities to bow out on a high. In 2006 with legendary status. Then twice more recently when it had become obvious he should go but would have taken goodwill with him nonetheless. He keeps passing up his moment of triumph so he can continue to fuck up his legacy. It's bizarre. He has a screw loose somewhere.

If I had to guess, which is all any of us can do, that stadium finished him off. The focus switched from achievement on the pitch to financial incentives off it. The great players who took care of business on the field of play all faded away, some of the discarded by Wenger with indecent haste. Then we moved into that period where youth development became the goal as finances were diverted elsewhere. And that was the start of the downfall. Wenger has never shown any sustained ability to develop young talent. Project Youth was a disaster. We changed our whole football philosophy, the standard of our game went into slow collapse. The over embellishments of Barca-lite tippy tappy started to haunt every game. We went from being fierce warriors to a soft touch. Tip, tap, tip, tap, 65 passes to walk it into the net whereas, before, it was, bang, bang, bang - their corner to our goal in seconds. Was this the real Wenger philosophy being revealed without the counterbalance of an Adams or Vieira or Henry? Younger, less experienced, inferior players in most cases. Denilson FFS. Meanwhile the board was busy fighting over who owned what and Wenger was just left to it.

I could go on through the whole recent history but we all know it painfully well.

This is a story of innovation and revolution that turned into a tale of greed. Greedy men at the top. A manager too greedy to prove himself right when he never had the weapons to do it. And a whole game eventually consumed by greed. In effect, everyone has had their eye off the ball at Arsenal for many years now. Here is the result. Farce, embarrassment, humiliation, and no hope of remedy because none of these people have the first clue how to fix it.

[Niall_Quinn]

This guy is a mate of mine and I can tell you that's precisely what he was Arguing

To be sure I even asked him what he meant and he said no I'm saying O'Hara is a better player overall.

Oh okay. Well you have weird friends then.

[Power n Glory]

On the other hand, even Wenger subbed Ramsey off. And this isn't because Ramsey is an inferior player to this O'Hara guy, obviously that notion is pure bullshit but it sounds to me like that's not the argument that was being made. Surely the argument was that anyone would have been better than nobody in the midfield. And on Sunday we had nobody in the midfield. Ramsey and Xhaka were regularly abandoning their posts and exposing the defence. This allowed Liverpool to move the ball up the pitch in seconds and straight into the danger area. The really worrying aspect was not Ramsey's play, although that was worrying enough, but more the length of time it took Wenger to spot and correct the blatantly obvious problem. This feeds into the argument that it really doesn't matter much how good our players are because Wenger's tactics are so deficient. If O'Hara had been pubbing it out in our midfield and did little more than present a barrier to the advancing opposition, well perhaps he might have been more effective than Ramsey was, it's not an argument totally lacking in merit. I'd rather not have O'Hara in our midfield, of course. I'd rather have Ramsey there. Trouble is, Ramsey isn't there nearly enough. His performance was catastrophic on Sunday.

That argument makes sense. A central midfielder with half the talent should know that you can’t abandon your post like that.

This is what I don’t get about some of the players. Surely Ramsey knows that you can’t play that way as a midfielder. He can’t live in bubble. Regardless of Wenger’s tactics, he must know the very basics.

I was never a fan of Arteta but he arrived as a CM and more attack minded, not a defensive midfielder. From what I recall, it was Arteta that decided to play more reserved role and sit deep because he saw the need and how our players just bombed forward leaving us open. Wenger didn’t tell him to get forward, he embraced it and talked up Arteta’s defensive qualities and accepted that he was more of a DM. Even when Cazorla plays as a CM, he doesn’t bomb forward further than our damn strikers.

We have some selfish, brain dead players on the squad. Ramsey being one of them. But it doesn’t help when you have a manager that will help him indulge in his reckless play. It can’t just be down to the players to coach themselves, motivate themselves and organise themselves tactically. Not in today’s game and not when we have kids like Ramsey that have been taught the wrong way for far too long.

[Niall_Quinn]

That argument makes sense. A central midfielder with half the talent should know that you can’t abandon your post like that.

This is what I don’t get about some of the players. Surely Ramsey knows that you can’t play that way as a midfielder. He can’t live in bubble. Regardless of Wenger’s tactics, he must know the very basics.

I was never a fan of Arteta but he arrived as a CM and more attack minded, not a defensive midfielder. From what I recall, it was Arteta that decided to play more reserved role and sit deep because he saw the need and how our players just bombed forward leaving us open. Wenger didn’t tell him to get forward, he embraced it and talked up Arteta’s defensive qualities and accepted that he was more of a DM. Even when Cazorla plays as a CM, he doesn’t bomb forward further than our damn strikers.

We have some selfish, brain dead players on the squad. Ramsey being one of them. But it doesn’t help when you have a manager that will help him indulge in his reckless play. It can’t just be down to the players to coach themselves, motivate themselves and organise themselves tactically. Not in today’s game and not when we have kids like Ramsey that have been taught the wrong way for far too long.

Wenger won't bench Ramsey and he won't bench Ozil. Ramsey clearly wants to play in Ozil's role and does so on a weekly basis. Wenger tolerates this for whatever reason.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh I think the argument NQ made makes perfect sense, it's just not the argument my friend was making. As if somehow one or two players and Wengers faith in them has made all the difference down the years. Rather than a team mentality without leadership or even more damning desire to win.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger won't bench Ramsey and he won't bench Ozil. Ramsey clearly wants to play in Ozil's role and does so on a weekly basis. Wenger tolerates this for whatever reason.

Ramsey has always been a selfish cunt of a player. He'd do the same when playing with Wilshere leaving Arteta to have to distribute the ball on his own. Wenger is spineless. He won't correct a player.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger won't bench Ramsey and he won't bench Ozil. Ramsey clearly wants to play in Ozil's role and does so on a weekly basis. Wenger tolerates this for whatever reason.

The Arseblog podcast just touched on this. Even if Wenger tolerates it, there has to be something wrong with him if he can't see the mistakes and that he's making.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I think he'll stay for the remainder of his contract at least. He loves it here, has no life outside Arsenal and has a boss that's given him a free ride.

He's also divorced his wife and his only daughter has graduated from University and is likely off on her own living her own life.

Arsenal is basically his life & family these days, which is one of the reasons he finds it difficult to let go.


The only way he may not be offered a new contract is if we finish outside the top four both of the next two season, otherwise I see no reason why Kroenke won't just persist with him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's also divorced his wife

Have you seen his wife?. I imagine spending his retirement with her is even more daunting

It explains his dalliances with exotic Fanny, well a black waitress who thought she could make it as a hip hop star ��

[Letters]

Exotic fanny :lol:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Have you seen his wife?. I imagine spending his retirement with her is even more daunting

It explains his dalliances with exotic Fanny, well a black waitress who thought she could make it as a hip hop star ��

tbh for her age she wasn't that bad looking.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6495982.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Arsene-Wenger-and-wife-split.jpg

Probably would have been quite attractive in her younger years. And it's not like that Wenger could do much better at his age if it wasn't for the money.


At any rate, I don't know why they broke up after nearly a couple of decades together (and 5 years officially married) but I don't think the situation has helped him at all - it's made him even more isolated & dogmatic in his ways.

[Niall_Quinn]

She looks alright to me. Provided she was fine taking it up the shitter, I'd do her.

[Globalgunner]

She looks alright to me. Provided she was fine taking it up the shitter, I'd do her.

Square pegs in round holes?.
Do the right thing, man.

[Niall_Quinn]

Square pegs in round holes?.
Do the right thing, man.

I don't want to go down the same route as Wenger. Look how that ended up.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

She looks alright to me. Provided she was fine taking it up the shitter, I'd do her.

She's sitting down. Which for one suggests she hasn't taken it vigorously up the shitter that often

But more importantly it hides the fact that she's freakishly tall (former basketball player)

Can't trust women over six feet, you have to insist on seeing their medical records

And yeah that's a flattering photograph.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can tell our season is over.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You can tell our season is over.

No it's not, we never had a season to begin with. Just an endurance test

Bit like doing the obstacle course on the Krypton Factor with a bull dog clip clamped to your testes. The sooner it's over the more palpable the relief.

[Letters]

Krypton Factor :bow:

Why did that stop? That was brilliant.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Krypton Factor :bow:

Why did that stop? That was brilliant.

They brought it back eight years ago but it was presented by Ben Shepherd who is a complete gimp

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep, season over.

[Niall_Quinn]

No word from Kroenke.

No word from Gazidis.

No word from Wenger.

A club in total crisis and all these fuckers are hiding under their beds.

What a shambles.

These bastards aren't fit to steal the shirts off our backs. Get some decent rapists in FFS. This lot are useless. Not even a PR statement advising us to return to our cabins and wear Wellingtons.

[Niall_Quinn]

At least we are through the laughing stock phase now.

We have definitely moved into the sympathy phase. Other fans actually have sympathy for us. And pity.

Takes some fucking going to be pitied by your rivals.

[cricketsi]

At least we are through the laughing stock phase now.

We have definitely moved into the sympathy phase. Other fans actually have sympathy for us. And pity.

Takes some fucking going to be pitied by your rivals.

It's quite difficult for them to mock us effectively when nobody is more downbeat, scathing and full of gallows humour regarding the club than its own fans.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I get looks as if people are acknowledging a death in my family.

[cricketsi]

The rate of gifs being shared via WhatsApp by my spud brother-in-law has slowed down.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

People don't bother ripping the piss in my office because they know I don't care

[Niall_Quinn]

From 9:25


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4bxdv24E1E

[Letters]

I get looks as if people are acknowledging a death in my family.

:lol:

I had a Liverpool and a Spurs fan actually sympathising with me yesterday.

:ilt:

[dostoy]

It will be the death of Arsenal as a top club unless Wenger leaves.

Why can't the board at Arsenal see this ?

It is absolutely astounding and would not happen at any other club in the whole world.

[Niall_Quinn]

Seems like some fans aren't 100% onboard with Wenger's approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Divdh39C_f8

[Niall_Quinn]

Troopz :haha:

Stick with it until he really loses his rag :haha:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeK5Cq1jgSo

[Niall_Quinn]

Shitbag Cross' fawning article is still being promoted as the top recommendation on the Mirror web site. Talk about being owned.

[rodders]

Wenger Out Kroenke Out in fact the whole bloody lot of them out. This club is heading for relegation

[Letters]

Wenger Out Kroenke Out in fact the whole bloody lot of them out. This club is heading for relegation

No it isn't. :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Interesting that a lot of people are reading into this no money avaliable for major signings as a suggestion that the club are turning on Wenger.

I read the opposite.

They tried to put pressure on him and ameliorate fan anger by saying he had 150 million to spend, but when he decided again not to spend it, they spin it so can be said there's no money to be spent.

I think they probably asked him to get the wage bill down before spending but he couldn't do that either.

[Power n Glory]

Interesting that a lot of people are reading into this no money avaliable for major signings as a suggestion that the club are turning on Wenger.

I read the opposite.

They tried to put pressure on him and ameliorate fan anger by saying he had 150 million to spend, but when he decided again not to spend it, they spin it so can be said there's no money to be spent.

I think they probably asked him to get the wage bill down before spending but he couldn't do that either.

Arsenal PR machine in full effect. It's utter bullshit and fans shouldn't fall for it. Same source was saying we were prepared to spend £150+ this window. People are trying to cover for Wenger. He hasn't planned for the transfer window properly and the club aren't prepared to allow players to walk on a free if we can't perform on the pitch like a team. When we sell the players he said wouldn't be sold and we attempt a last day shopping spree, he can play the victim.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsenal PR machine in full effect. It's utter bullshit and fans shouldn't fall for it. Same source was saying we were prepared to spend £150+ this window. People are trying to cover for Wenger. He hasn't planned for the transfer window properly and the club aren't prepared to allow players to walk on a free if we can't perform on the pitch like a team. When we sell the players he said wouldn't be sold and we attempt a last day shopping spree, he can play the victim.

Exactly. It was in fact David Ornstein amongst others that reported the 150million to spend

Ornstein is largely reliable and is essentially releasing what the club will allow him to, like John Cross a circle of access journalist.

[Power n Glory]

Exactly. It was in fact David Ornstein amongst others that reported the 150million to spend

Ornstein is largely reliable and is essentially releasing what the club will allow him to, like John Cross a circle of access journalist.

Exactly. Much easier for the club to take the blame and deflect attention away from Wenger.

[Özim]

Arsenal PR machine in full effect. It's utter bullshit and fans shouldn't fall for it. Same source was saying we were prepared to spend £150+ this window. People are trying to cover for Wenger. He hasn't planned for the transfer window properly and the club aren't prepared to allow players to walk on a free if we can't perform on the pitch like a team. When we sell the players he said wouldn't be sold and we attempt a last day shopping spree, he can play the victim.

Spot on, don't buy this nonsense that's been put out, had too many years of this.

The club has loads of money and everyone knows it, they just don't want to spend money. You'd have to be a fool to believe this now.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Spot on, don't buy this nonsense that's been put out, had too many years of this.

The club has loads of money and everyone knows it, they just don't want to spend money. You'd have to be a fool to believe this now.

I'm not sure anyone does believe it

Ornstein just reporting on what he's been told, Cross pretends otherwise but is Mark Gonella's bitch

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure anyone does believe it

Ornstein just reporting on what he's been told, Cross pretends otherwise but is Mark Gonella's bitch

Some people believe it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Some people believe it.

People like Geoff Arsenal on Twitter who want to believe it because it fits their pro Wenger agenda believe it

Tim Payton has called it bullshit, so has Peter Wood of Le Grove and Andrew Mangan of Arseblog whilst trying to keep the fence sitting going is incredibly skeptical about it as well

[Xhaka Can’t]

Some people believe it.

Some people believe (I'm being serious) that President Obama was playing golf whilst New Orleans was flooded by Katrina in 2005.

He became President in 2009.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some people believe (I'm being serious) that President Obama was playing golf whilst New Orleans was flooded by Katrina in 2005.

He became President in 2009.

He might have been president of the golf club. Callous bastard that he is.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I was in a low flying helicopter looking like I was going to offer relief and aid to waterlogged survivors but instead just blasted "When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zepellin through loud speakers.

I take office as president in 2025.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal is a con shop at best, a criminal operation more likely. It makes false claims, pushes false advertising, takes money for services and then fails to deliver. This isn't illegal anymore, unfortunately. The corporate boys made all their shenanigans legal. But it doesn't stop them being nasty little con-artist crooks, even when they wear expensive suits, or drink champagne, or produce animal slaughter shows on TV.

Grubby little crooks.

[selassie]

Interesting that a lot of people are reading into this no money avaliable for major signings as a suggestion that the club are turning on Wenger.

I read the opposite.

They tried to put pressure on him and ameliorate fan anger by saying he had 150 million to spend, but when he decided again not to spend it, they spin it so can be said there's no money to be spent.

I think they probably asked him to get the wage bill down before spending but he couldn't do that either.

Yep, totally agree.

[Power n Glory]

Some people believe (I'm being serious) that President Obama was playing golf whilst New Orleans was flooded by Katrina in 2005.

He became President in 2009.

:lol: I've seen that. :shrug: What can you do?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:lol: I've seen that. :shrug: What can you do?

It's so silly

He was clearly in an elementary school in Florida reading My Pet Goat to the kids

And carried on staring blankly when an aide whispered in his ear "Sir the Levee has broken"

[Niall_Quinn]

Has Wenger put out some sort of statement about flooding, to distract from his own, ongoing annual disaster?

[Bumble]

Has Wenger put out some sort of statement about flooding, to distract from his own, ongoing annual disaster?

surely he should really as it does show that things could be worse.

[Xhaka Can’t]

What do you mean?

We are in an ideal situation.

He said so!

[Niall_Quinn]

What do you mean?

We are in an ideal situation.

He said so!

We are needy and ungrateful fans, what do they expect?

[Niall_Quinn]

Keown speaking today:


The most important thing for Wenger is for his teams to play football and be creative.

In 2006, I was asked to come and work at the club. I helped out Pat Rice when they did defending sessions.

There was one player who was making positional mistakes that were costing the team goals.

I wanted to flag up these mistakes to the player by showing him the footage but Wenger did not want him to see it.

In Wenger’s view, if a player sees himself making mistakes the problem becomes even bigger his mind.

That can be the case when you are discussing a technical aspect of a player’s game, such as passing.

But when the problem is positional and concerns a player’s body shape or angle of approach, it is worth going into detail and showing the player where he is going wrong.

I felt that by not addressing the situation, it would affect the player’s ability in the long term.

I don’t know whether things have changed now but Wenger is very protective of his players. He treats them like his sons.

But if players keep making the same mistakes, that will cost the team.

[Özim]

Keown speaking today:

Wenger is a control freak shocker and fails to disipline or blame players for their mistakes, it's proven this doesn't work.

He's clueless, the last decade has shown that, honestly the stuff people say about him is unbelievable a truly rubbish manager.

How this guy forged a career at the top level with so many glaring weaknesses, I'll never know.

[Penguin]

And people wonder why our players keep making the same mistakes over and over again. :coffee:

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Wenger is a control freak shocker and fails to disipline or blame players for their mistakes, it's proven this doesn't work.

He's clueless, the last decade has shown that, honestly the stuff people say about him is unbelievable a truly rubbish manager.

How this guy forged a career at the top level with so many glaring weaknesses, I'll never know.

The truth is this never needed to get this bad.

I wonder how different things would have been if all of us (99% of fans, the board) had really just seen our manager as an employee first and then worshipped him as a god later but the latter was the sole case.

Though this has been a good debate as posters have actually dissected his capabilities, no one has said anything new, I mean there is far more than a decade's worth of evidence to prove he has always had these glaring deficiencies.

Just think of countless technical errors and groundhog days especially in defending, the clockwork 70 minutes subs no matter how bad the game was going for us, our lack of a plan B- the only top team who couldn't maximise setpieces, corners or take a shot from outside the area to get that much needed goal. A lot of these things were evident pre-2006 and shit hit the fan when Graham's men and all the leaders were shipped to Siberia.

I mean let's look at 2006, our "god-manager" had failed to build on from the invincibles just like he failed to build on from his winning teams of 98 and 02. We had sold Viera, our captain our spine a year earlier just like we sold our best players like Anelka and Overmars earlier, and immediately failed to replace them with like for like (using Emirates as the ultimate excuse this time). We sacrificed all other competitions for the CL that year (which would soon become a pattern) and reached the final and put in a brave performance with one of the fiercest final matches ever. But again groundhog day would kick in the next season because unlike other truly great teams like Juventus and Bayern who would lose closely fought finals and be spurred to come back the next year to win it , we would go through the motions and get knocked out in the 2nd round by the mighty PSV at home (kindly note we faced Real Madrid in the same round the year before and knocked them out at the Bernebeau). As usual the poor result against PSV couldn't be coped with and we were soon going out of the FA cup and losing a league cup final.
I could go on and on but its getting painful remembering all the crap.

It's clear AW has been an employee doing an under par job for quite a long time but we his employers have made excuse after excuse for him instead of challenging him and setting him clear milestones and deadlines. Even if we couldn't tell him to win the CL despite having 19 times consecutively to do so, why couldn't we say win the league or be axed? I mean he had done it before and other top clubs like Chelsea, Real, Bayern, Barca, Juvenile regularly set their managers these kind of targets with no excuse allowed for failure. Chelsea have won the CL, Leicester have won the league, St Totteringhams day will become a thing of Myth.... what more do we need to react.... do we need Spurs winning the league in our stadium to wake us up?

AW is not a top class manager, it took us long enough but we all agree on that now. What worries me more is the spirit of this club, it's like we don't and haven't wanted to compete for a very long time. We could blame the board, but the honest truth is we fans haven't been much better ourselves this past decade.

[fakeyank]

We could blame the board, but the honest truth is we fans haven't been much better ourselves this past decade.

:gp:

We fans need to get organized about boycotting the club. There are just too many who will keep going to matches, buying merchandise (I am guilty here) and supporting the crook (Wenger). We need the fans to boycott the matches. The stadium needs to look empty till things change. Watch the games at your local pub, but dont go to the stadium. If you end up going to the stadium, then make a stand that enough is enough.. take your banners about Kroenke, Gazidis, Wenger, sing your hearts out about these pests.

[GP]

Wenger in.

edit: a coffin

[Mac76]

:gp:

We fans need to get organized about boycotting the club. There are just too many who will keep going to matches, buying merchandise (I am guilty here) and supporting the crook (Wenger). We need the fans to boycott the matches. The stadium needs to look empty till things change. .

I agree - I normally go to a few league matches, but am not going tat the moment as i'm just so sick of Wenger - the only games i'm thinking about are the no-hopa cup just to see different teams from abroad and they're actaully quite cheap tickets if you go right at the back... :)

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is very busy talking to beIN Sports these days. I guess he needs the extra cash.

Today he has confirmed Mbappe can be the new Pele. The player has great charisma and attitude, according to the French guru. Makes you wonder why he passed up the new Pele with his great charisma and attitude when he had the chance to sign him for relative peanuts. Guess it's more profitable to leave the transfers to others and then scoop up cash for chucking your opinions around.

[rodders]

If he really cared for Arsenal he should have joined Man U and reduced them to the state we are in now.

[Cripps]

Wenger in.

[selassie]

I still want him gone, this summer has reinforced my belief even further that he simply doesn't know what he is doing.

[Cripps]

Ian Wright thinks Sean dyche should replace Wenger :lol:

Owen Coyle all over.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ian Wright thinks Sean dyche should replace Wenger :lol:

Owen Coyle all over.

Sounds like Wrighty has the hump with L'Genius. But give it a few more season and Dyche will be our level.

[GP]

Why would Dyche take the step down?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Sounds like Wrighty has the hump with L'Genius. But give it a few more season and Dyche will be our level.

Girl in my office sounds like Sean Dyche but she’s had throat cancer

[GP]

Girl in my office sounds like Sean Dyche but she’s had throat cancer

She sounds hot, is she single?

[Niall_Quinn]

She sounds hot, is she single?

Sounds like she's faced worse things than your advances, so I'd give it a go.

[selassie]

Sounds like she's faced worse things than your advances, so I'd give it a go.

:haha:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

She sounds hot, is she single?

The fuck should i know?

I’m not talking to someone who sounds like that.

[Niall_Quinn]

The great stadium debate - episode 923,927

So.

Ozil and Alexis are off. We've known that for a while and all we really had to do was fuck things up terribly in the transfer windows to make the impact of their loss as severe as possible. We've achieved that with distinction.

So winding all the way back to 2013 when Ozil signed. It was post the financial restrictions allegedly brought about by the stadium move. We were looking towards the bright new future promised by the baldy lizard. And here comes Ozil. Panic buy at the last minute? Yes. But so what. Mesut fucking Ozil at Arsenal. If this didn't mean we were back in the running then nothing could.

The line up:
Ches, Gibbs, Kos, Sagna, Jenks, Jack, Ramsey, Santi, Ozil, Theo, Bif


Aaron Ramsey scored twice as Arsenal beat bottom club Sunderland, who had boss Paolo Di Canio sent off.

Arsenal debutant Mesut Ozil set up Olivier Giroud for an early goal, with Craig Gardner equalising from the spot after the break.

But after Ramsey volleyed in, Di Canio was infuriated when Jozy Altidore was denied a leveller after referee Martin Atkinson failed to play an advantage.

Ramsey scored a fine second as Arsenal moved to the Premier League summit.

The result was their fifth consecutive win after losing on the opening day to Aston Villa.

The hosts were fortunate to still be in the game at the break as Ozil made an instant impression following his £42.5m move from Real Madrid by demanding the ball early on and providing a host of chances.

Theo Walcott could easily have had a hat-trick before the break but found Sunderland goalkeeper Keiren Westwood in impressive form, as he twice denied the England winger after he was set clear by Jack Wilshere and Ozil.

Arsenal played without a designated left-winger as Ozil drifted into the middle, but the German drifted left to collect Wilshere's pass for the opening goal, and crossed simply for Giroud to score his first Premier League goal outside London.

The win took us top.

We finished the season 4th, 7 points off the champions.

Roll on 2014 and Alexis joins.

His first appearance was in a 3-0 win over the gypos in the Community Shield.

We finished the season 3rd, 12 points off the champions.

Then fuckface called a halt on project build a team and went back to his tried and tested project transition phase.

And both these players, not being complete morons, twigged and now they are off.

"Won't be missed", "If they don't want to be here then let them go", "No player is bigger than the club", etc, etc.

But when these two leave it marks the arrival point at a destination Wenger has relentlessly pursued. Second tier status.

In this marketplace it will cost 200 million to replace these players. We won't spend that. And even if we did, it wouldn't make a difference. Wenger has taken every golden opportunity and turned it to bitter drudgery. And he'll keep doing it, over and over, regardless of the talent that passes through - collecting empty promises on the way in, and departing with the thanks of the one man who never leaves. He'll see them all out. Vieira, Henry, Cesc, RvC, Ozil, Alexis. And he can moan about loyalty and modern day players all he wants, but this is the cunt who wouldn't give Dennis Bergkamp a decent deal.

Here's the squad come January.

Mathieu Debuchy
Per Mertesacker
Laurent Koscielny
Aaron Ramsey
Alexandre Lacazette
Jack Wilshere
Olivier Giroud
David Ospina
Theo Walcott
Rob Holding
Alex Iwobi
Nacho Monreal
Santi Cazorla (dead)
Shkodran Mustafi
Calum Chambers
Jeff Reine-Adélaïde
Danny Welbeck
Héctor Bellerín
Granit Xhaka
Ainsley Maitland-Niles
Sead Kolašinac
Chuba Akpom
Petr Čech
Francis Coquelin
Mohamed Elneny

How much world class talent do you see there? Which players are going to step up and propel us to a title?

This is the new era. This is the result of the promises.

Kroenke richer. Wenger richer. And lizard man still there, telling us how great it all is.

Not hard to figure out what this club is all about, is it?

[Globalgunner]

Its the hope that kills NQ.

Im fast closing in on the big half century of existence. Touch wood I will see the moron out of this club

[Niall_Quinn]

GW meet up to celebrate on that day, if it ever comes.

[fakeyank]

GW meet up to celebrate on that day, if it ever comes.

I'll fly in :dance:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

GW meet up to celebrate on that day, if it ever comes.

We must all wear novelty masks otherwise the perfect cover of anonymity that this board allows us will unravel

As you love him so much, I suggest you wear a Tony Blair mask

[Niall_Quinn]

We must all wear novelty masks otherwise the perfect cover of anonymity that this board allows us will unravel

As you love him so much, I suggest you wear a Tony Blair mask

I'd glimpse myself in a reflection and slash my own throat instinctively.

[LDG]

We're now at the point where Wenger staying is a must.

The owners do not give a fuck. They've shown as much by not sacking Wenger.

In an ideal world, the owners sack Wenger for not performing, they do their job and get some cunt in who can do the job. But they don't care. Nobody who owns thos piece of shit corporate machine that isn't Arsenal gives a fuck so long as the money rolls in. And it keeps rolling in....fuck, being mid-table keeps the cash rolling in.

Keep Wenger, because he cares and won't get us relegated. Don't ever go to a game again, or buy anything from the company. Get that horrible stan cunt out first, then Wenger.

[Cripps]

Wenger out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Genuine question.

We're split between fans who go to as many games as they can (basically, the away fans), fans who go to whatever games they can (maybe 3 or 4 a season), and fans who have been totally priced out of the whole circus (me, and others).

But we still all have a bizarre affinity to this club, else why the fuck would we be taking time to post to a fan forum? Whatever we say, we might say we don't care any more or we couldn't give a fuck, we still care enough to comment. And I suspect we all care a whole lot more than just that.

So here's the question.

What can genuine fans (I don't mean the home fans, I mean real fans) do about Kroenke, Wenger and (let's face it) the home fans?

There MUST be something that can be done about this shit. If it escapes me, maybe it doesn't escape you. Give me a fucking clue please. There must be a way to get these cunts out of our club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Kroenke there is no way of getting him out. He’s here for good....the money he makes from the club as an asset is worth far more than a one off payment from selling up.

Wenger. It’s a case of how much staying is worth it for him. Things are likely to get worse, results like yesterday were on the cards because we just have no central midfield which is where the game is controlled. If we can’t control the game against Watford we are going to have another ugly season. So far we have won easy home games, but when the current away mood extends to the Emirates it could be nasty. Wenger is human at the end of the day, the board won’t intervene but there is only so much personal vitriol he will put up with.

[selassie]

Kroenke there is no way of getting him out. He’s here for good....the money he makes from the club as an asset is worth far more than a one off payment from selling up.

Wenger. It’s a case of how much staying is worth it for him. Things are likely to get worse, results like yesterday were on the cards because we just have no central midfield which is where the game is controlled. If we can’t control the game against Watford we are going to have another ugly season. So far we have won easy home games, but when the current away mood extends to the Emirates it could be nasty. Wenger is human at the end of the day, the board won’t intervene but there is only so much personal vitriol he will put up with.

I agree with this.

I would actually go as far as to say I don't even think Wenger will get that much personal vitriol this season, there is an air of resignation around Arsenal now where we have kind of accepted we're a second tier club, we're no longer really part of the true top 4 and we most certainly aren't a club who even goes into the season confident of top 4 let alone the title.

We are now the Liverpool of yesteryear where we are hiding behind domestic cup victories as some kind of progress.

We all know what the problems are but we are quite a unique club in the sense that we have an owner who has no interest in the football side and a manager who is unmoveable due to his relationship with the owner amongst other things.

The only way Wenger goes is when he calls it a day and like you stated Kroenke isn't going anywhere.

[Cripps]

Genuine question.

We're split between fans who go to as many games as they can (basically, the away fans), fans who go to whatever games they can (maybe 3 or 4 a season), and fans who have been totally priced out of the whole circus (me, and others).

But we still all have a bizarre affinity to this club, else why the fuck would we be taking time to post to a fan forum? Whatever we say, we might say we don't care any more or we couldn't give a fuck, we still care enough to comment. And I suspect we all care a whole lot more than just that.

So here's the question.

What can genuine fans (I don't mean the home fans, I mean real fans) do about Kroenke, Wenger and (let's face it) the home fans?

There MUST be something that can be done about this shit. If it escapes me, maybe it doesn't escape you. Give me a fucking clue please. There must be a way to get these cunts out of our club.

Boycott.

We've protested, we've kicked up a fuss, we've flown banners... the only way they'll learn is by boycotting games and merchandise. Only then will these money grabbing pricks learn.

[Niall_Quinn]

It'd have to be an away match boycott because the home fans would never spoil their holiday by missing a big photo op at the Emirates.

[Marc Overmars]

A mass boycott is probably the only thing that would bring about forced change but that’s extremely unlikely to ever happen. I don’t think Arsenal fans care enough to make a difference and I include myself in that, the culture at the club is very different to that of other top clubs. So what if the selfish old cunt signed a new deal, that doesn’t mean the reset button should be pushed, if anything it means the campaign to get him out should have intensified. Instead we are all mindfucked into thinking, well he’s here for 2 years so what can you do eh?

It’s astonishing how different the mentality is at this club and how on the pitch success and excellence is not strived for. It starts at the top and filters all the way down through the team and on to the fans who are rapidly falling out of love with the club.

Maybe things will change when he’s gone but right now we’re all so conditioned to think in a certain way because of the constant disappointment and Groundhog Day nature of the past decade.

[Marc Overmars]

It'd have to be an away match boycott because the home fans would never spoil their holiday by missing a big photo op at the Emirates.

Have you ever sat in the top tier? It’s the worst place in the league to watch football. Almost like going to the theatre.

At least the lower tier retains some kind of soul from years gone by but even that is dwindling by the season.

[Power n Glory]

The way things are going, I don't think we'll see a mass boycott. The fans would have to be fired up and angry in order for that to happen. I think that stage had passed and people will just decide to stop going. The slow kill. That's more dangerous because when you lose fans that way, it is hard to get them back. Wenger has done some serious damage to this club and will continue to the longer he stays.

[Özim]

Boycott will never happen, a few wins and half the fans who go to matches start believing we're in with a shout of winning something, I don't get it, Wenger and co are never getring close to a title ever again, doesn't matter if we go ona 20 match unbeaten run smuttered with draws and average performances like we have in the past, there's just zero chance.

These meaningless wins which we offer labour to against nobodies really shouldn't even be papering over the cracks anymore, but somehow they still seem to for some.

As someone said, at other top clubs they don't take things lying down, at Arsenal though it seems to be at best muted demonstrations which in turn become there's no point doing this anymore as he's signed a new contract, so let the guy get on with it even if the club do point the finger at us for lack of success.

Bored of everything at this club, the lack of convinction at every level sums up why we're a bunch of losers and will probably never win another major honour for many many years. 2nd rate club, with a 2nd rate manager, 2nd rate players....if you needed to write a book on what not to do at a football club you really only need to point at Arsenal.

[Bumble]

while we are in the Europa league, nothing will change. that is the only way we are going to get back into the Champions League. as I cant see us finishing above City, United, Spurs or Chelsea. So we really should be aiming for Europa league "glory". And the way Wenger always finds a way to pull a result out of nowhere to save his bacon. I would not be surprised if we finish 7th and win the Europa and everything will appear rosy.

Separately, I wonder if there is any top flight manager around who could do a worse job than Wenger. Alladyce, Pullis, Frank De Boer?

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQwjojvRNI4

[Cripps]

Wenger in.

[Niall_Quinn]

OMG!

Turns out keeping Wenger was the right thing to do, turns out Wenger is doing a good job, and turns out we are lucky to have him and he's done us a right favour by staying.

The exact opposite to what I thought, which just goes to show - check your facts before sounding off :getcoat:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5018305/Arsenal-chief-d-EASY-sack-Arsene-Wenger.html

[Özim]

Wenger is focussed on winning apparently, I'm focussed on winning the lottery myself so I understand entirely, haven't won it so far, maybe one day I'll buy a ticket.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is focussed on winning apparently, I'm focussed on winning the lottery myself so I understand entirely, haven't won it so far, maybe one day I'll buy a ticket.

If you can find a quality ticket. It is not easy to buy a ticket you know.

[Marc Overmars]

I see they're still peddling the long term line. Wenger is 2 years shy of 70 FFS.

Right now is the long term we were told about 10 years ago but it hasn't exactly gone the way we expected it to. The cheek of that American cunt to say getting rid of Wenger would be the easy way out. How about focusing on the here and now? If we don't get our house in order now we can never hope to see any long term benefit.

There really is no hope at all with the current board is there, their sporting ambition is pretty much zero.

[AFC Leveller]

Kroenke has confirmed what we all suspected, he has no fucking idea how to run a successful sports team.

After all these years of underachieving, heavy and embarrassing loses he comes out with yet more bullshit.

We are doomed while he is here and he looks like he is staying for good.

[Cripps]

I see they're still peddling the long term line. Wenger is 2 years shy of 70 FFS.

Right now is the long term we were told about 10 years ago but it hasn't exactly gone the way we expected it to. The cheek of that American cunt to say getting rid of Wenger would be the easy way out. How about focusing on the here and now? If we don't get our house in order now we can never hope to see any long term benefit.

There really is no hope at all with the current board is there, their sporting ambition is pretty much zero.

We deserve everything we get.

For years we warned others of our decline and the problems that will occur, and we were abused, laughed at and told to f off and support spurs.

Banners were held to move the stale dinosaur on. Protests were held to make the board see the light. But people preferred to sit on their arse and do nothing.

Well this is what it has lead to.

Do we get an apology for telling the truth and being right all along?

[Cripps]

Wenger out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh God!

OUT FFS!

How much more of this?

[Cripps]

:lol:

[Bumble]

Wenger wants to manage a team at the World Cup in 2022. So that's good news for us as it will be he can still work here until then.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger wants to manage a team at the World Cup in 2022. So that's good news for us as it will be he can still work here until then.

You see Cripps?

That’s proper WUMing

[GP]

You see Cripps?

That’s proper WUMing

Cripps has been gone for years, mate.

[Cripps]

Wenger in.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fucking OUT!

Behave yourself.

[Özim]

Wenger out for sure, they day he leaves will be one of the greatest days in Arsenal modern history!

[GP]

Pulis is available. I bet we dither and end up missing out on him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pulis is available. I bet we dither and end up missing out on him.

Fucking behave :haha:

[GP]

Typical AKBs :rolleyes:

[Letters]

Pulis is available. I bet we dither and end up missing out on him.

Can't believe we didn't snap up Moyes when he was available :(

[GP]

Can't believe we didn't snap up Moyes when he was available :(

That's the problem with Arsenal these days, never able to capitalise on an opportunity.

[Özim]

I see that because the Wengaboys can no longer harp on about how wonderfully amazingly great he is they have to go round making highly unfunny jokes instead.

[Cripps]

Letters admits he doesn't watch games anymore, he didn't even watch our biggest game of the season against spurs. He's clearly lost interest. On top of that he hardly posts and when he does it's just a WUM comment that doesn't add anything to the debate. In fact, it usually diverts the debate off topic. Why is he still a mod? This place doesn't need that many mods anyway, it's not like it's bustling. Maccy and NQ Sr are enough :shrug:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Letters puts the 50p in the meter.

[Letters]

they have to go round making highly unfunny jokes instead.

They're stealing your "act" :unsure:

[Letters]

Letters puts the 50p in the meter.

And I'm the only person who can still remember their password to the Admin CP

:cool:

[GP]

And I'm the only person who can still remember their password to the Admin CP

:cool:

CP?

Child Pornography?

Fucking knew it.

[Letters]

How else did you think we fund this place? :shrug:

[Cripps]

Wenger out.

[Cripps]

Wenger in.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm starting to tend towards OUT.

[Globalgunner]

Yes but the real question is whether we are stagnating or regressing?

[Gooner23]

It's definitely important to differentiate which level of shit we are.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes but the real question is whether we are stagnating or regressing?

When you look at reality it's easy enough to confirm we are regressing. But we also have to consider the fact we are consistently outperforming our rivals.

[Bumble]

I am going to say it..... if we get knocked in the Europa league before the quarters... I think this will be Wengers last year as manager.

[selassie]

I am going to say it..... if we get knocked in the Europa league before the quarters... I think this will be Wengers last year as manager.

Do you honestly think Wenger will walk? Kroenke sure as hell won't fire him.

Wenger needs to be hounded out the club by the supporters, yeah I said it. This is what needs to happen, the fan base need to be vocal now and make his position untenable.

This season is a car crash of epic proportions and is totally unacceptable IMO.

[Cripps]

Wenger in

:run:

[Xhaka Can’t]

sane?

[Ralpheroo72]

Wenger, Kroenke, Gazidis and Gunnersaurus need to go

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yep. Wenger is looking like a prehistoric dinosaur.

[KSE Comedy Club]

The star had a small article saying he was gonna step down at the end of the season and was eyeing
Up Arteta as his replacement.

Even he must realise that he has fucking lost it and must go now, surely?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger out - yes or no?

:haha:

Do we need oxygen to live? - yes or no?

[GP]

Wenger is a stable genius.

[Bumble]

Do you honestly think Wenger will walk? Kroenke sure as hell won't fire him.

Wenger needs to be hounded out the club by the supporters, yeah I said it. This is what needs to happen, the fan base need to be vocal now and make his position untenable.

This season is a car crash of epic proportions and is totally unacceptable IMO.

I do think he would walk... we get knocked out of the Europa at the least 16 or even the quarters and it will be time as cant see us finishing top 4. we should actually forget the league and just try to win the Europa... United did it last year so why not us.

[Globalgunner]

I do think he would walk... we get knocked out of the Europa at the least 16 or even the quarters and it will be time as cant see us finishing top 4. we should actually forget the league and just try to win the Europa... United did it last year so why not us.

We cant win the Europa for the same reason that we cant win the League, Carabo or now FA cups. Other teams that we meet have managers. We have a cataract blinded, brain addled, gout ridden, prehistoric egomaniac as our fount of knowledge and inspiration. We will fall at the first tough hurdle. its assured.

[Marc Overmars]

I do think he would walk... we get knocked out of the Europa at the least 16 or even the quarters and it will be time as cant see us finishing top 4. we should actually forget the league and just try to win the Europa... United did it last year so why not us.

We won’t win the EL because Wenger will fuck around with the team too much and frankly he’s never been any good in Europe anyway. United won it because Mourinho for all his cuntishness has a record in Europe that most would kill for, he knows what he’s doing unlike our guy.

[Power n Glory]

It's more fucked up than any other season. With Ozil, Sanchez and many others heading for the exit, I can't see this team pulling off one last great escape for us this season.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is where is was obvious we'd end up. It has been a train rushing at 1mph towards the buffers - which we were too cheap to install - so we're going to run right off the track. And Wenger has been digging a hole at the end of the track for good measure. We're not even going to financially stable when he fucks off because we'll need to invest a record fortune to get back up with the serious contenders. Which we won't. So Wenger has killed Arsenal as a top tier club, for the foreseeable future.

Basically - what a cunt.

[Cripps]

This is where is was obvious we'd end up. It has been a train rushing at 1mph towards the buffers - which we were too cheap to install - so we're going to run right off the track. And Wenger has been digging a hole at the end of the track for good measure. We're not even going to financially stable when he fucks off because we'll need to invest a record fortune to get back up with the serious contenders. Which we won't. So Wenger has killed Arsenal as a top tier club, for the foreseeable future.

Basically - what a cunt.

Hate being right :(

[GP]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/carlo-ancelotti-in-line-to-succeed-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger-a3736521.html

Yes please.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ancelotti is good at getting the most out of capable sides, I think with the kind of root and branch surgery we need, he’s arguably not the best candidate.

However if there was real change being managed by competent people behind the scenes and he was allowed to be the beneficiary of that, it might work for a few years.

[selassie]

Ancelotti is good at getting the most out of capable sides, I think with the kind of root and branch surgery we need, he’s arguably not the best candidate.

However if there was real change being managed by competent people behind the scenes and he was allowed to be the beneficiary of that, it might work for a few years.

Aye, I mean I would take pretty much anyone right now for the sake of change. Despite that, I do agree Ancelotti would be the best short term-ish candidate we could get.

[GP]

I think whoever comes in, the days of a really long term manager are over.

Let go of the past. Kill it if you have to.

[Özim]

Aye, I mean I would take pretty much anyone right now for the sake of change. Despite that, I do agree Ancelotti would be the best short term-ish candidate we could get.

Simeone would be my choice, has an eye for talent, drills his teams and makes them very good and very disciplined and contenders for the big prizes. Ancelotti is decent but his performance he's short term, seems to win something big and then starts to struggle a bit and his teams tend to drop off and he gets the sack (been sacked by his last 4 clubs)

[Cripps]

Would love Ancelotti.

Would be an upgrade on Wenger and someone that has an excellent track record. Would essentially mean we won't drop off like Utd did when they appointed Moyes. Yes bayern was a failure but he went in after the best manager in the modern era so it was always going to be difficult.

He has beast pedigree and would capture the imagination of the players. A step up from Wenger.

Gazidis :bow:

[Cripps]

I think whoever comes in, the days of a really long term manager are over.

Let go of the past. Kill it if you have to.

Agreed.

The game is now about hiring someone for 2-3 years, maximising output then bringing the next guy in.

[selassie]

Simeone would be my choice, has an eye for talent, drills his teams and makes them very good and very disciplined and contenders for the big prizes. Ancelotti is decent but his performance he's short term, seems to win something big and then starts to struggle a bit and his teams tend to drop off and he gets the sack (been sacked by his last 4 clubs)

He would be my number one long term choice, he has a very good track record with developing young talents into top class players and his attitude is "winning is everything".

Ironically he took over Atletico when they were in a right mess and turned them from a mid to struggling La Liga side into title winners/challengers and CL challengers.

[Marc Overmars]

Would happily take Ancelotti for 2-3 years if it meant we could re-establish ourselves as challengers.

As GP said, long term is dead. I don’t even think the managers themselves are interested in staying more than a few seasons because there’s always another “project” waiting for them.

[Marc Overmars]

Simeone would be my choice, has an eye for talent, drills his teams and makes them very good and very disciplined and contenders for the big prizes. Ancelotti is decent but his performance he's short term, seems to win something big and then starts to struggle a bit and his teams tend to drop off and he gets the sack (been sacked by his last 4 clubs)

In fairness the clubs he’s managed would sack pretty much any manager who fell slightly below their sky high expectations. It’s not really a mark against him as a manager.

[Cripps]

He would be my number one long term choice, he has a very good track record with developing young talents into top class players and his attitude is "winning is everything".

Ironically he took over Atletico when they were in a right mess and turned them from a mid to struggling La Liga side into title winners/challengers and CL challengers.

That's not realistic though. We would never hire Simeone.

Ancelotti though:bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCfaZfm_7AY

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's not realistic though. We would never hire Simeone.

Ancelotti though:bow:

I think he would be the realistic go to choice if Wenger fucks off in the summer

However a) I don’t think anyone will make Wenger Leave

b) I think even if there is overt interference from Mislintat and the other fella in Wengers transfer dealings. I don’t think Wenger will walk away. As I’ve said for ages, whatever he wanted out of Arsenal in the past his reasons for staying now are guided by fear of retirement.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I’ll add to that rather gloomy outlook by saying if nothing else we might actually have a purposeful summer transfer window where the dross is sent packing and decent players are brought in.

So even if that grizzled old curmudgeon does hobble into a final season he won’t necessarily have the chance to make the squad even worse with his prevaricating.

[GP]

We should go for Sven goran Erikssen

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We should go for Sven goran Erikssen

Where is Sven these days?

Oh In China

Makes sense

[Niall_Quinn]

I think he would be the realistic go to choice if Wenger fucks off in the summer

However a) I don’t think anyone will make Wenger Leave

b) I think even if there is overt interference from Mislintat and the other fella in Wengers transfer dealings. I don’t think Wenger will walk away. As I’ve said for ages, whatever he wanted out of Arsenal in the past his reasons for staying now are guided by fear of retirement.

If Wenger gives a fuck about Arsenal as a whole, rather than just his personal and selfish vision of what Arsenal represents, he'll let the new guys get on with the job. Back in the real world, he'll do everything to undermine them. It will take at least a season for these poor bastards to find some way to work around the old goat. I see a scenario where Wenger takes plenty of credit for transfers that start going right, and then dumps the blame elsewhere if he manages to get any of his shit through, like Jonny Evans for example.

If we see Alexis leave and Evans arrive it will be easy to determine who is winning the war. We're still in a window where it's not too difficult to sort the Wenger targets from sane ones. Whenever the words, "Wenger has monitored the player over several seasons...", we know we're dealing with some prime grade shite.

[Cripps]

I think he would be the realistic go to choice if Wenger fucks off in the summer

However a) I don’t think anyone will make Wenger Leave

b) I think even if there is overt interference from Mislintat and the other fella in Wengers transfer dealings. I don’t think Wenger will walk away. As I’ve said for ages, whatever he wanted out of Arsenal in the past his reasons for staying now are guided by fear of retirement.

Simeone is a completely unrealistic appointment. He doesn't fit in with the ideology of the club one bit.

He plays defensive football, he is antagonistic, causes fights, is confrontational. His character doesn't fit into the club at all.

Ivan listed his criteria for an Arsenal manager last season.

Someone like Ancelotti would fit the bill. He plays attractive attacking football, he can handle the demands of a big club, can work under a budget as seen in the past. He also doesn't kick up a fuss.

Gazidis :bow:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Simeone is a completely unrealistic appointment. He doesn't fit in with the ideology of the club one bit.

He plays defensive football, he is antagonistic, causes fights, is confrontational. His character doesn't fit into the club at all.

Ivan listed his criteria for an Arsenal manager last season.

Someone like Ancelotti would fit the bill. He plays attractive attacking football, he can handle the demands of a big club, can work under a budget as seen in the past. He also doesn't kick up a fuss.

Gazidis :bow:

I was referring to Ancelotti

I don’t particularly like Simeone, his pedigree is beyond dispute but one of the biggest issues I have with Wenger now is how fucking terrible our football is. And although he’s far more effective a coach in terms of results and performances, Atleti are far from easy on the eye.

[Marc Overmars]

Ancelotti is probably the only coach that would have widespread approval from the fanbase.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ancelotti is probably the only coach that would have widespread approval from the fanbase.

I think people would like him as a stop gap whilst we build for the future

[Penguin]

I was referring to Ancelotti

I don’t particularly like Simeone, his pedigree is beyond dispute but one of the biggest issues I have with Wenger now is how fucking terrible our football is. And although he’s far more effective a coach in terms of results and performances, Atleti are far from easy on the eye.

Simeone's style might not be nice to watch but it might be just what this team needs right now. They need to learn how to defend, how to organise themselves and even how to be cunts. I'd take that over being the soft pushovers that Wenger has turned us into. But I doubt we'd get Simeone anyway. If he does decide to manage in England I think it'll be Chelsea or United.

[Niall_Quinn]

These rumours about Ancelotti seem to be gathering pace. And with all the other changes going on maybe, just maybe. Could it be true? Could it be over?

Now we are in a difficult situation. If we won the Europa Cup, could they get rid of Wenger if he wanted to stay? Say he didn't want to bow out with a European win finally under his belt, like any sane person would do. Say he decided to do the conveniently "honourable" thing and see out his contract.

What if we won the Cuckoo Cup too? Could we get rid of him if we'd won two cups?

What if we won a cup or two and Wenger stayed and then, somehow, managed to wrangle a new contract? The armageddon scenario.

What about the Top Four Trophy? Would the triumph of a 4th place finish save his arse?

Are we, as fans, in the position of wanting to finish outside the top 4 and get knocked out of all cups to double, treble ensure he'll go at the end of this season? And what if we wished for nothing, ended up with nothing and Wenger still, somehow, managed to stay on? The Lucifer scenario.

Has any club ever been in such a bizarre situation? Where success in the minor competitions might lead to deeper catastrophe in the longer term? Usually a trophy means a club is on the up. A trophy for us this season, including the imaginary 4th Place Cup, might be the trigger for disaster.

[Niall_Quinn]

Btw, my solution to the problem is to sack him now, today. And get absolutely anyone in for the remainder of the season. It would energise the whole club and add a whole new dimension to the European challenge. I believe it would energise the squad too.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I honestly don’t know how we are going to recover from this. Everywhere you look in this Club it is a complete disaster. Even when we do stumble upon a ray of light, it gets completely extinguished by Wenger.

The man could ruin Messi.

And even when we do get shot of Wenger, who is going to pick up the pieces when even the owner doesn’t give a fuck?

[GP]

https://streamable.com/pvlv0

[Niall_Quinn]

https://streamable.com/pvlv0

Sums the loon up perfectly.

[Niall_Quinn]

How has Wenger done this?

Another tragic season unfolding. An appalling away record. Humiliated in the FA Cup. Going nowhere for the 10th season in a row. And nobody in the media is speculating over his future. It's just assumed he'll choose when he leaves.

Has there ever been a manager with this much power over his club, the media, and even a diehard (and stupid) section of the fan base?

How has there not been a revolt in the dressing room? How can the players stand this?

Is Wenger putting drugs in everyone's tea?

This is a joke. He must be sacked. It's the most obvious sacking in football. Far worse than Moyes at Utd. Worse than Neville's joke jolly in Spain. This guy has been fucking up for a decade.

Why isn't the club having a press conference at 7PM tonight to announce his sacking?

[Bumble]

This will be Wengers last season as manager.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This will be Wengers last season as manager.

It won’t

Next season probably won’t be his last as manager either

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How has Wenger done this?

Another tragic season unfolding. An appalling away record. Humiliated in the FA Cup. Going nowhere for the 10th season in a row. And nobody in the media is speculating over his future. It's just assumed he'll choose when he leaves.

Has there ever been a manager with this much power over his club, the media, and even a diehard (and stupid) section of the fan base?

How has there not been a revolt in the dressing room? How can the players stand this?

Is Wenger putting drugs in everyone's tea?

This is a joke. He must be sacked. It's the most obvious sacking in football. Far worse than Moyes at Utd. Worse than Neville's joke jolly in Spain. This guy has been fucking up for a decade.

Why isn't the club having a press conference at 7PM tonight to announce his sacking?

7pm?

Why are you insisting the club wait till 7

Kissing Wengers arse again

[Niall_Quinn]

7pm?

Why are you insisting the club wait till 7

Kissing Wengers arse again

:getcoat:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The decision to let Klopp escape to Pool is going to be one we're going to regret for a long time. He was perfect replacement for prime Wenger, even when it came to the struggle to organise a defence!

Agree about Ancelotti. I mean I'd take him but I'm not confident whether he's the man to really do the major structural changes we need to do with the playing staff.

Plus from what I've heard, he's way too similar to Wenger in personality when it comes to how he treats players. After decades of Wenger treating his players like their his own sons, mollycoddling them not getting strict or tough with them when they fuck up we need a hardass who'll do the complete opposite and actually drill them. Out of the people available I'm thinking Simeone though whether he would want to come is another matter.

I'd also still wouldn't mind Tuchel either but now that we've got SVEN, that's impossible

At any rate, in the small chance that Wenger calls it quits at the end of the season or Gazidis/Kroenke do sack him ( :haha:) then they need to move fast as there's a good chance that RM, Chelsea and even Man Utd will also be in the hunt for a top manager at the end of the season,

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/16/21/4834A2BE00000578-5276621-image-a-141_1516138179418.jpg


Another contract crisis is looming for their teenage forward Reiss Nelson, who is attracting interest from Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain.

Nelson, 18, is out of contract next year and there has been very little progress made to negotiate a new deal.


It is understood cutbacks have even been made at the training ground canteen this season, with a number of players privately moaning about the lack of choice on offer.



Off the pitch, the club are doubling their commercial efforts to ensure Arsenal remain on a firm financial footing.

It is understood negotiating a new shirt manufacturer deal is towards the top of the agenda, with their existing Puma deal due to expire at the end of next season.


In the meantime, the club continue to replenish their coffers the best way they know how: selling players.

The average 74 quid is just to get into the ground. Add to that London prices for travelling, eating, drinking, taking a shit and breathing. If you're outside London factor in the piss taking prices charged by our "more efficient" private (foreign) rail services, "congestion" (bung) taxes, the fucked up price of petrol (more tax), the crappy replacement bus services that run on weekends because the trains never do. Dare to go into the club shop to sample the eye watering prices.

Taking your son to a home game means biting into the better part of 300 quid, each time.

To see what? Henry, Bergkamp and Pires playing the best football ever witnessed on these shores?

Hardly.

And they say you aren't a real fan if you don't go to games - even if you spent decades going when it was affordable. But the truth is, apart from the diehard away bunch, the real fans have been priced out and the boring zero atmosphere stadium that replaced the real thing is filled with day trippers who have more money than sense.

Wenger out? For sure. Remember, he has always been in favour of ripping off the fans. He's always defended it. And at the same time he's always defended his refusal to spend that money on the team. Guilty as hell.

And take the rest of the greedy cunts with you.

[Xhaka Can’t]

And he’s French


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Özim]

Value for money the worst club in football, awful boring football, minimal spend, most expensive everything, amazes me how they get away with it and some fans still find excuses for it.

and their claim there was no money last summer ws laughable, how often have they pulled that stunt over the years, the Emirates project has turned out to be a way of extracting as much money out of the fans as possible rather than a way of making us compete with the best clubs.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Surely Watchdog could get involved if we all complain?

[Niall_Quinn]

Surely Watchdog could get involved if we all complain?

Why?

They publish their prices and it's take it or leave it. It's a captive audience there to be milked. The nature of modern football. Why do you think the likes of Kroenke is attracted like a fly to shit?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Did anyone see this week’s Room 101?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol:

I am just nearly finishing it now.

[Özim]

Did they put Wenger or Arsenal in there? If not they should have.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Did anyone see this week’s Room 101?the one with Charlie brooker in?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That was last week's. Alex Brooker was on this one. :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

That was last week's. Alex Brooker was on this one. :lol:
Oh yeh, l’ve downloaded them both anyway.

[Letters]

That was last week's. Alex Brooker was on this one. :lol:

Share with the class? What did someone try and put in it?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fans taking signs to matches. Of course Wenger Out got airtime.

[Letters]

Right :lol: :good:

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-hC7P3dIg

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Well at least Marco Silva is available now. :lol::lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Well at least Marco Silva is available now. :lol::lol:

It should be an instant decision. Wenger should have his P45 sent today. Instead he'll get another contract.

[Globalgunner]

Whats good for Arsene is what is best for Arsenal. 5 yr contract coming up....at the end of 2019

[Cripps]

Wenger IN !

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's the rescue plan, which is as good as it's going to get for all concerned.

We sign Aubameyang.
We sign Ozil and Jack.
We don't sign Evans.
We win the Currypaste Cup, beating the gypos and Beta Male Pep.
We win the Europa Cup somehow.
Wenger triumphs and then FUCKS OFF! He bows out on a high.
We get a new manager in and go into the summer transfer window with serious intent, to tool up for a proper PL and CL challenge.

This would surely be a satisfactory compromise?

This is his last and only chance.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Agreed.

[Marc Overmars]

It’s the Europa League we must put all our efforts into winning, the Crappy Cup is just window dressing.

Wenker can be Wenger again if he pulls a win in Europe out of his arse.

[Cripps]

Here's the rescue plan, which is as good as it's going to get for all concerned.

We sign Aubameyang.
We sign Ozil and Jack.
We don't sign Evans.
We win the Currypaste Cup, beating the gypos and Beta Male Pep.
We win the Europa Cup somehow.
Wenger triumphs and then FUCKS OFF! He bows out on a high.
We get a new manager in and go into the summer transfer window with serious intent, to tool up for a proper PL and CL challenge.

This would surely be a satisfactory compromise?

This is his last and only chance.

Currypaste cup :lol:

[Özim]

Europa league will be hard for us to win, no Sanchez now and no replacement for him either (even if we signed Aubameyang he can't play). Sounds to me like Wenger is only bothered about top 4 and using a tin pot cup as possible backup plan for a successful season.

[Letters]

:pal:

[Niall_Quinn]

OUT!

Get the fuck out!

[KSE Comedy Club]

Media finally get what we have been saying for aaaaaaaggggggeeessss :coffee:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11262793/arsene-wenger-is-holding-arsenal-back-and-not-taking-club-forward-says-matthew-syed


Matthew Syed thinks Arsene Wenger is "holding Arsenal back" after failing to re-invent himself and his club in recent years.

The Times journalist said Wenger's unwillingness to adapt has left the club on "exactly the same terrain" as in the early days of his 22-year stint in north London.

The Gunners advanced to the last 16 of the Europa League despite a 2-1 home defeat by Swedish minnows Ostersunds, a club which did not even exist when Wenger took over in June 1996.

Syed told The Debate longevity such as the Frenchman's was only beneficial for clubs if they were willing to change with the times.

"It can be a strength, if and only if that manager is prepared to adapt," he said. "Football evolves, society evolves, technology evolves. We've seen tactics evolve with Guardiola.
"My sense with Wegner is he came in and was a great innovator. He brought in nutrition, he was very big on sports science too.

"When you go to Arsenal, and I've been a few times, there's a real sense that is has been in exactly the same terrain, the blinkers have come down, and when Wenger is challenged internally he is a God and absolutely runs that club.

"Arsenal's a great football club with great fans who have been on the whole loyal to Wenger and I hate to say it, because I'm a big admirer of what he's achieved, he's a great person but my sense today is that he's holding Arsenal back."

Brighton defender Liam Rosenior agreed with Syed's assessment and said legendary Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson had reaped the benefits of remodelling his side over his many years at Old Trafford.

While Wenger has not won a Premier League title with the Gunners since 2004, Ferguson never went more than three years without a league trophy after his first top-flight championship win in 1992.

"A manager sets a culture for a club," said Rosenior. "If you look at the ones with longevity, Sir Alex Ferguson was a perfect example of someone so successful over such a long period of time.

"If you look at his reign, he kept changing the team. He had foresight in taking older players out of the team, and bringing through for instance the class of 92.

"And having the foresight again to recycle the team, and bring in the likes of Ronaldo and Nani and Rooney. He was constantly adapting the way that he managed.

"What he also did throughout his career was bring in different voices on the training pitch. You go stale, you hear the same voices.

"When new coaches come in as a player, it's a different challenge, all of a sudden you have to impress somebody else, and I think that's a really important thing that Ferguson did."


How many times have we said exactly this?

This season has to be the end of the line for Wenkers train journey across the chasm of failiure

[LDG]

Media finally get what we have been saying for aaaaaaaggggggeeessss :coffee:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11262793/arsene-wenger-is-holding-arsenal-back-and-not-taking-club-forward-says-matthew-syed



How many times have we said exactly this?

This season has to be the end of the line for Wenkers train journey across the chasm of failiure

But what about his bus journey accross the pot hole of when we win trophies and S@rs don’t.