Match reaction - crazvzvzvz zvedbdbda

[Cripps]

Walcott is the biggest load of shite. Did he misplace every pass? Also him as captain :haha:

Coquelin useless
Nelson useless
Walcott useless
Walcott useless
Walcott useless

Like the look of Macey

Willock done ok

Elneny done well

[Letters]

Qualified

Wenger :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

GTFO WENGER YOU CUNT!

[Niall_Quinn]

Walcott is the biggest load of shite. Did he misplace every pass? Also him as captain :haha:

Coquelin useless
Nelson useless
Walcott useless
Walcott useless
Walcott useless

Like the look of Macey

Willock done ok

Elneny done well

You're always making excuses for Walcott. He was so much worse than you're making out.

What is the point of him?

Of course we could ask exactly the same about that cunt who claims to be the manager.

[Cripps]

You're always making excuses for Walcott. He was so much worse than you're making out.

What is the point of him?

Of course we could ask exactly the same about that cunt who claims to be the manager.

He cares*





*on £8m a year

[Gooner23]

Wenger :bow:

Walnut :bow:

Coquelin :bow:

The paying fan :pal:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Were there many at the match?

[Niall_Quinn]

Were there many at the match?

To begin with.

[Niall_Quinn]

A long time ago...
In a different universe...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkNj3iv5tE

[Cripps]

Were there many at the match?

Many what? Useless arsenal players? Yes

[Marc Overmars]

Was baby sitting my nephew tonight and he wanted to watch the match much to my annoyance. What an unbelievable shit show that was.

We’re going to get roasted if we continue with that team against the decent teams in this competition.

[Niall_Quinn]

And not so long ago...
Still in a different universe...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4dWBdRH2EI

[Niall_Quinn]

The question is...
How long are fans going to put up with this?

[Niall_Quinn]

I think I'll get in touch with all the usual suspects and set up resources that can be used to get this cunt Kroenke and his cocksucker manager out...

[Cripps]

The question is...
How long are fans going to put up with this?

It's too late now. We tried to warn them :(

Hate being right :(

[Marc Overmars]

Aren’t these guys like Nelson, Willock and Maitland-Niles supposed to be good?

Pretty shit in all honesty.

[Cripps]

Aren’t these guys like Nelson, Willock and Maitland-Niles supposed to be good?

Pretty shit in all honesty.

Nelson was hyped as the next Ronaldo. Very disappointing.

[Niall_Quinn]

The fans are crazy tbf. The majority of them. We get a win, playing shite, and they are all happy about it. At any normal club it's a reason to be happy because in the end, at any normal club, the points matter. At this club it makes no fucking difference because we always know we get just enough points to fail comprehensively to achieve at the expected level, but nonetheless grab some sort of meaningless compensation that keeps Wenger and his circus rolling along. The absolute bare minimum acceptable. That's the goal at the start of the season and that's the result at the end of it.

It should be totally unacceptable to put in a performance like that - ONCE or TWICE.

But we do it 30 out of 38 games a season. Maybe 32. Maybe 34.

And every fucking time in Europe these days.

I don't know how any fan can look at this and not be disgusted at how big a fraud Wenger is, and what a massive fucking scumbag and liar Kroenke is, and what a deceitful git Ivan is. They are serving up steaming shit at world record prices and, for whatever reason, the stadium is filled. It's unbelievable and a damning indictment of a huge section of the Arsenal fan base. Yes, I know they want to go to games, I understand it. But if they are going to go, surely they ought to make it crystal clear they are not prepared to put up with shit like that! I get you want to support your team to the end, even if they are playing badly. But how many times do we have to play badly before it becomes a complete piss take and all the usual etiquette legitimately goes out the window.

Where are the Wenger out chants? How is he getting away with this?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Aren’t these guys like Nelson, Willock and Maitland-Niles supposed to be good?

Pretty shit in all honesty.

Wengeritis

Never stood a chance

Reiss Nelson looks all pace and no brains

Willock - well looks like the better brother fucked off on a free

And Maitland Niles, I think he has potential just needs more game time. Might need his mum to kick off at the training ground again.

[Niall_Quinn]

Aren’t these guys like Nelson, Willock and Maitland-Niles supposed to be good?

Pretty shit in all honesty.

Honestly, it's hard to know. We have two French international strikers playing, don't forget. And look at the shit show. Because they are terrible players? No. It's that cunt. That cunt is responsible.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The fans are crazy tbf. The majority of them. We get a win, playing shite, and they are all happy about it. At any normal club it's a reason to be happy because in the end, at any normal club, the points matter. At this club it makes no fucking difference because we always know we get just enough points to fail comprehensively to achieve at the expected level, but nonetheless grab some sort of meaningless compensation that keeps Wenger and his circus rolling along. The absolute bare minimum acceptable. That's the goal at the start of the season and that's the result at the end of it.

It should be totally unacceptable to put in a performance like that - ONCE or TWICE.

But we do it 30 out of 38 games a season. Maybe 32. Maybe 34.

And every fucking time in Europe these days.

I don't know how any fan can look at this and not be disgusted at how big a fraud Wenger is, and what a massive fucking scumbag and liar Kroenke is, and what a deceitful git Ivan is. They are serving up steaming shit at world record prices and, for whatever reason, the stadium is filled. It's unbelievable and a damning indictment of a huge section of the Arsenal fan base. Yes, I know they want to go to games, I understand it. But if they are going to go, surely they ought to make it crystal clear they are not prepared to put up with shit like that! I get you want to support your team to the end, even if they are playing badly. But how many times do we have to play badly before it becomes a complete piss take and all the usual etiquette legitimately goes out the window.

Where are the Wenger out chants? How is he getting away with this?

Genuinely thought Wenger out was being chanted in the second half but in honesty think it was the Serbian lads

Wenger out in Serbian probably means death to blacks, Jews, papists and queers

[Niall_Quinn]

Wengeritis

Never stood a chance

Reiss Nelson looks all pace and no brains

Willock - well looks like the better brother fucked off on a free

And Maitland Niles, I think he has potential just needs more game time. Might need his mum to kick off at the training ground again.

Precisely.

You can see these players are technically proficient. But when they play in a Wenger system, suddenly they can't pass. They can't defend. They play as individuals not a team. It;s that cunt Wenger. All the way.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67X7wax5J8Q

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67X7wax5J8Q

Arsenal fan tv has peaked

Guys like DT are more bored and apathetic than they are angry

Anger is a useless emotion if you realise you can’t change anything. I feel sorry for guys like him going last season thinking this can’t be for nothing.....and then cheeky fucker signs on because he’s frightened of retiring.

Also Walcott was captain??? That completely went unnoticed by me. As I’m sure it did by the other ten on the pitch.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal fan tv has peaked

Guys like DT are more bored and apathetic than they are angry

Anger is a useless emotion if you realise you can’t change anything. I feel sorry for guys like him going last season thinking this can’t be for nothing.....and then cheeky fucker signs on because he’s frightened of retiring.

Also Walcott was captain??? That completely went unnoticed by me. As I’m sure it did by the other ten on the pitch.

It's peaked in a different way than you describe. It's peaked in the usual way. A subscription service. Special fans will be inside, not so special fans will be outside. Which is fine, because we're more than used to that.

But I put the video up to highlight the other thing you picked up on, Captain Walnut (what a joke), and also highlight the other thing I was talking abut, those stupid, stupid fans queueing at the shop to be overcharged - for the second time in 24 hours.

[Cripps]

13 home wins on the bounce I hear

That's wengers contract extension excuse then :good:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's peaked in a different way than you describe. It's peaked in the usual way. A subscription service. Special fans will be inside, not so special fans will be outside. Which is fine, because we're more than used to that.

But I put the video up to highlight the other thing you picked up on, Captain Walnut (what a joke), and also highlight the other thing I was talking abut, those stupid, stupid fans queueing at the shop to be overcharged - for the second time in 24 hours.

Fixtures like tonight will be touristy. Cheap tickets, season ticket holders probably can’t be fucked to do this on a Thursday

A subscription service? Well the missus does indeed need a new kitchen

I hardly watch it anymore, don’t listen to le groves podcast, don’t listen to arseblog arsecast. Because why? There’s no fun anymore not even trepidation about fixtures like Sunday just absolute resignation.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fixtures like tonight will be touristy. Cheap tickets, season ticket holders probably can’t be fucked to do this on a Thursday

A subscription service? Well the missus does indeed need a new kitchen

I hardly watch it anymore, don’t listen to le groves podcast, don’t listen to arseblog arsecast. Because why? There’s no fun anymore not even trepidation about fixtures like Sunday just absolute resignation.

I fucking hate Twitter and I'm not on that. I fucking hate Facebook and I'm not on that. I fucking hate Reddit and I'm not on that. When I fire up a web browser, if it's not work then I hover over the address bar and wonder where the fuck to go. GW. That's it. Or AFTV after the games, sometimes, if I'm really prevaricating over work. Arseblog because it's a stored link in my browser and I'm too lazy to find anything better. Le Grove, same reason these days. Tuesday Club, the jokes wears thin. Everybody is jaded. Wenger has simply hung on for so long that everyone who opposed him has said literally everything that can be said. Which is why I mostly say WENGER OUT now, and leave it there. He'll outlast all of us. He's cancer. He'll get us all.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I fucking hate Twitter and I'm not on that. I fucking hate Facebook and I'm not on that. I fucking hate Reddit and I'm not on that. When I fire up a web browser, if it's not work then I hover over the address bar and wonder where the fuck to go.

Porn obviously

Facebook I use mainly as easiest way of making sure my poor white trash family in California are still alive

Twitter, yeah you’re possibly just a tad too verbose for that

Reddit.....never used it

[Cripps]

Facebook I use mainly as easiest way of making sure my poor white trash family in California are still alive

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Porn obviously

Facebook I use mainly as easiest way of making sure my poor white trash family in California are still alive

Twitter, yeah you’re possibly just a tad too verbose for that

Reddit.....never used it

Cunt is only 4 letters. But you get banned for that shit over there, even when you're talking to an obvious cunt.

4chan I did for a while, but I ended up with the impression they had far more time on their hands than was healthy.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:haha:

Don’t make fun of my relatives because they believe the things Alex Jones says

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Cunt is only 4 letters. But you get banned for that shit over there, even when you're talking to an obvious cunt.

4chan I did for a while, but I ended up with the impression they had far more time on their hands than was healthy.

It’s totally arbitrary what you get banned on for Twitter. I use the word cunt frequently. It’s not so much a matter of what you say as depends on who you’re talking to as to how much of a little girl they are going to be about it

[Niall_Quinn]

Don’t make fun of my relatives because they believe the things Alex Jones says

You leave Alex Jones alone. He's been bang on the money, 100% right, at least 1% of the time. Which puts him way, way out ahead as a reliable news source.

[Cripps]

Don’t make fun of my relatives because they believe the things Alex Jones says

Alex Jones > Letters

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s totally arbitrary what you get banned on for Twitter. I use the word cunt frequently. It’s not so much a matter of what you say as depends on who you’re talking to as to how much of a little girl they are going to be about it

I tended to progress to violent and sincere threats quite quickly on Twitter, it seemed the most productive course. But I had to get out because Twitter makes you hate the human species. And that's unfair, because I know several people who aren't on Twitter and they are okay. I suppose in some ways Twitter is good. If ever you need to quickly find out if somebody is an utter cunt, look them up on Twitter and if they have an account you have your answer. Very efficient.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alex Jones > Letters

Joey Deacon > Letters

What's your point?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Joey Deacon > Letters

What's your point?

Showing your age there

[Niall_Quinn]

In the end though, Twitter, Facebook, AFTV, it all amounts to the same thing.

WENGER OUT!

[Niall_Quinn]

Showing your age there

I suppose it was a bit immature for a middle aged guy to be into that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I tended to progress to violent and sincere threats quite quickly on Twitter, it seemed the most productive course. But I had to get out because Twitter makes you hate the human species. And that's unfair, because I know several people who aren't on Twitter and they are okay. I suppose in some ways Twitter is good. If ever you need to quickly find out if somebody is an utter cunt, look them up on Twitter and if they have an account you have your answer. Very efficient.

I’ve been happier for a long time accepting the fact that human beings are cunts. You might have the odd outlier like Nicholas Winton who seems bizarre to the rest of us because he wasn’t motivated by self interest in anyway. But we are all cunts, if I was Stan Kroenke and reading this forum I’d be laughing hysterically before masturbating contemptuously and wiping the sploodge off my dripping cock with a fifty dollar bill.

[Niall_Quinn]

I’ve been happier for a long time accepting the fact that human beings are cunts. You might have the odd outlier like Nicholas Winton who seems bizarre to the rest of us because he wasn’t motivated by self interest in anyway. But we are all cunts, if I was Stan Kroenke and reading this forum I’d be laughing hysterically before masturbating contemptuously and wiping the sploodge off my dripping cock with a fifty dollar bill.

If I was Stan Kroenke I'd shoot myself in the stomach and bleed out.

[Cripps]

I tended to progress to violent and sincere threats quite quickly on Twitter, it seemed the most productive course. But I had to get out because Twitter makes you hate the human species. And that's unfair, because I know several people who aren't on Twitter and they are okay. I suppose in some ways Twitter is good. If ever you need to quickly find out if somebody is an utter cunt, look them up on Twitter and if they have an account you have your answer. Very efficient.

Philosophical NQ:bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Arsenal fan tv has peaked

Guys like DT are more bored and apathetic than they are angry

Anger is a useless emotion if you realise you can’t change anything. I feel sorry for guys like him going last season thinking this can’t be for nothing.....and then cheeky fucker signs on because he’s frightened of retiring.

Also Walcott was captain??? That completely went unnoticed by me. As I’m sure it did by the other ten on the pitch.

He’s outstayed his welcome to the point now where people probably won’t even give a shit if he stays on next season and even if he signs a another extension.

This club is a soulless pit now thanks to those who run it.

To think, be careful what you wish for was the common retort amongst the apologists.

[Globalgunner]

Fortunately for me. I went to sleep after the first 30 mins. I must be a genius.

Woke up now at 2.30 am reading this thread. I am defo a genius.

Walcotts hair is my most lasting impression of the match ...that and the Serbians had even worse strikers than we do. How is that possible?

[Letters]

Fortunately for me. I went to sleep after the first 30 mins. I must be a genius.
I didn't bother watching at all so I'm even cleverer

Joey Deacon > Letters > Globalgunner

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenker's take on last night's horrific insult to football:


'You could see tonight it was a very intense game, and with the number of games we play, we want to play in every single competition. I will continue (rotating) at the moment.

'They started stronger than us; they played very well at the start. They played with a high pace, were dangerous on the breaks and defended very well.

'In the second half we dominated possession much more but lacked a bit of quality in the final ball, vision to find the right space and overall it was a fair 0-0.

'It's frustrating when you don't score, but overall you understand that with many young players in the team, that's part of the learning process for them, playing these types of games.'

Beyond delusional. Two pub outfits lumbering around and throwing the odd clubfoot at the ball in the hope it found its way to a teammate. And all at a snail's pace that bored the fans into watching Eastenders on their phones. That's what actually happened.

In Wenker's mystical fantasy land it was a high tempo game that we ended up dominating. He's not even in the same dimension as us. He's off in some parallel universe where his anti-matter talent complement everything he touches, rather than annihilating it.

[Globalgunner]

I didn't bother watching at all so I'm even cleverer

Joey Deacon > Letters > Globalgunner

Can't fault your logic even though I'm sceptical of the outcome. Even so.......
Wenger out!

[Özim]

Didn't watch the game but from what I can tell from other people and the results, it was a lucky escape. Yet another abject performance in a long list of them, that's the thing we do get results but the performance seem to be pretty average, by all intents and purposes if Red Star had a half decent striker they'd have beaten us as well.

I honestly don't know how a manager can possibly feel satisfied with what he's seeing these days and then claim it's entertainment and that this group of players is doing a good job, does he not watch the matches?

Anyway we qualified but really would have been good to have got a convicing win, just to lift confidence, yes we're getting some wins, but they're mostly narrow and we're building zero momentum at all, when is the last time anyone can remember Arsenal going on a run of games where we've beaten most teams out of sight and looked like a really good team, I can't personally remember.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenker's take on last night's horrific insult to football:



Beyond delusional. Two pub outfits lumbering around and throwing the odd clubfoot at the ball in the hope it found its way to a teammate. And all at a snail's pace that bored the fans into watching Eastenders on their phones. That's what actually happened.

In Wenker's mystical fantasy land it was a high tempo game that we ended up dominating. He's not even in the same dimension as us. He's off in some parallel universe where his anti-matter talent complement everything he touches, rather than annihilating it.

Very intense game?

My early morning bowel movement was more intense

Certainly more satisfying

[Niall_Quinn]

Didn't watch the game but from what I can tell from other people and the results, it was a lucky escape. Yet another abject performance in a long list of them, that's the thing we do get results but the performance seem to be pretty average, by all intents and purposes if Red Star had a half decent striker they'd have beaten us as well.

I honestly don't know how a manager can possibly feel satisfied with what he's seeing these days and then claim it's entertainment and that this group of players is doing a good job, does he not watch the matches?

Anyway we qualified but really would have been good to have got a convicing win, just to lift confidence, yes we're getting some wins, but they're mostly narrow and we're building zero momentum at all, when is the last time anyone can remember Arsenal going on a run of games where we've beaten most teams out of sight and looked like a really good team, I can't personally remember.

Long time ago.

Can anyone remember when they used to get nervous jitters before the game, or hatched elaborate plans to get out of social events so you wouldn't miss the match? Long time ago.

There was a Serb fan on AFTV last night being interviewed and he made some good points. Football has been sanitised and commoditised out of meaningful existence in this country. It has consumed its own purpose and all that's left is the jazzed up packaging. It's a non-event posed as the latest, greatest event of all time. All for the money. I watch out of habit and nothing else and the only thing I feel beyond the unbearable boredom is anger. Football's actually bad for me now. I'll have to stop watching it. Thanks to scum like Kroenke.

[Niall_Quinn]

Very intense game?

My early morning bowel movement was more intense

Certainly more satisfying

With a more polished end product.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Didn't watch the game but from what I can tell from other people and the results, it was a lucky escape. Yet another abject performance in a long list of them, that's the thing we do get results but the performance seem to be pretty average, by all intents and purposes if Red Star had a half decent striker they'd have beaten us as well.

I honestly don't know how a manager can possibly feel satisfied with what he's seeing these days and then claim it's entertainment and that this group of players is doing a good job, does he not watch the matches?

Anyway we qualified but really would have been good to have got a convicing win, just to lift confidence, yes we're getting some wins, but they're mostly narrow and we're building zero momentum at all, when is the last time anyone can remember Arsenal going on a run of games where we've beaten most teams out of sight and looked like a really good team, I can't personally remember.

I don’t know if I’d quite say lucky escape. Their striker should have buried one chance but the fact that he didn’t is why he’s playing in Serbia to begin with.
It wasn’t a wipe sweat from your brows phew encounter, it was totally sedate and played at the kind of casual level which presented them with one or two chances a decent side may have taken, but they aren’t.

Insistence on playing players out of position to rigidly fit one formation, Walcott seems to have lost any rudimentary Football skill he ever had. Wilshere was ok I guess but it’s a complete waste of time if no one else wants to even try and play at his level.

Maitland Niles had a fairly ok cameo, out of all the youngsters he looks the only one with promise

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

With a more polished end product.

Largely depends on what I’ve eaten the night before

[Cripps]

He’s outstayed his welcome to the point now where people probably won’t even give a shit if he stays on next season and even if he signs a another extension.

This club is a soulless pit now thanks to those who run it.

To think, be careful what you wish for was the common retort amongst the apologists.

:gp:

[Letters]

when is the last time anyone can remember Arsenal going on a run of games where we've beaten most teams out of sight and looked like a really good team, I can't personally remember.
No team thrashes the opposition week in, week out. Well...OK, City have been going a bit mental this year but that is very much the exception, not the rule.
Our wins are not mostly narrow in terms of scoreline. Please don't cherry pick examples, I could do the same.
The results of late have been generally good but we aren't looking convincing. I've pretty much written off the next two league games, they will tell us more than anything we've seen recently.

[Letters]

Long time ago.

Can anyone remember when they used to get nervous jitters before the game, or hatched elaborate plans to get out of social events so you wouldn't miss the match? Long time ago.

There was a Serb fan on AFTV last night being interviewed and he made some good points. Football has been sanitised and commoditised out of meaningful existence in this country. It has consumed its own purpose and all that's left is the jazzed up packaging. It's a non-event posed as the latest, greatest event of all time. All for the money. I watch out of habit and nothing else and the only thing I feel beyond the unbearable boredom is anger. Football's actually bad for me now. I'll have to stop watching it. Thanks to scum like Kroenke.
Agree with this.
It's why I don't watch any more. Or very rarely.

[Niall_Quinn]

I bet if I'd have taken up train spotting as a hobby that cunt Kroenke would have shut down the railways.

[Letters]

I bet if I'd have taken up train spotting as a hobby that cunt Kroenke would have shut down the railways.

No, just charged you £70 to stand on the platform and made sure only one train passes through the station every 2 months.
And charged you £10 for a pie and bovril if you want to stay warm.
Would have been a lovely platform though.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, just charged you £70 to stand on the platform and made sure only one train passes through the station every 2 months.
And charged you £10 for a pie and bovril if you want to stay warm.
Would have been a lovely platform though.

Sounds alright really. Better than his sports franchises. Quite like Bovril.

[Niall_Quinn]

He could hire Wenger to derail the trains.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I bet if I'd have taken up train spotting as a hobby that cunt Kroenke would have shut down the railways.
:haha:

I’d love to have the kind of money to be that much of a cunt

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Anyway feeling all kinds of positive about Sunday

[Özim]

No team thrashes the opposition week in, week out. Well...OK, City have been going a bit mental this year but that is very much the exception, not the rule.
Our wins are not mostly narrow in terms of scoreline. Please don't cherry pick examples, I could do the same.
The results of late have been generally good but we aren't looking convincing. I've pretty much written off the next two league games, they will tell us more than anything we've seen recently.

They do when they are a top quality side, I remember us (when we were a top side) having runs where we'd beat teams convincingly regularly in particular periods (not all season obviously), we largely get narrow unconvincing wins, there's no conviction, like I said when's the last time we went on a run and won games at a canter?

I'm not cherry picking, this season has been awful, likewise last season, big wins are few and far between, probably as common as big defeats.

Results etc etc, yes it's exactly what I've been saying, we get the results but they're totally unconvincing, very little pleasure to be had, I just don't see the hunger, desire, I just don't see anything that makes it worthwhile watching anymore.

I don't want 1-0, 2-1 wins every week followed by some random defeat all season, I want to see runs of games where we beat teams by 3,4,5 goals and are convincing, games where we genuinely look like the better side, not scrape through.

[Özim]

Long time ago.

Can anyone remember when they used to get nervous jitters before the game, or hatched elaborate plans to get out of social events so you wouldn't miss the match? Long time ago.

There was a Serb fan on AFTV last night being interviewed and he made some good points. Football has been sanitised and commoditised out of meaningful existence in this country. It has consumed its own purpose and all that's left is the jazzed up packaging. It's a non-event posed as the latest, greatest event of all time. All for the money. I watch out of habit and nothing else and the only thing I feel beyond the unbearable boredom is anger. Football's actually bad for me now. I'll have to stop watching it. Thanks to scum like Kroenke.

Yup it was.

I can't, there's nothing exciting anymore, it's all been sucked out of our club.

I agree, but it's even worse for Arsenal fans, it's sanitise and commoditised x 10000 with some boredom thrown in, if you want to go to a non-event watch and Arsenal match.

[Özim]

I don’t know if I’d quite say lucky escape. Their striker should have buried one chance but the fact that he didn’t is why he’s playing in Serbia to begin with.
It wasn’t a wipe sweat from your brows phew encounter, it was totally sedate and played at the kind of casual level which presented them with one or two chances a decent side may have taken, but they aren’t.

Insistence on playing players out of position to rigidly fit one formation, Walcott seems to have lost any rudimentary Football skill he ever had. Wilshere was ok I guess but it’s a complete waste of time if no one else wants to even try and play at his level.

Maitland Niles had a fairly ok cameo, out of all the youngsters he looks the only one with promise

I meant lucky escape I didn't watch, not the result as such.

To be honest we did play some younger players, but you'd think playing at a lower level they'd be keen to impress, seems to me even the kids lack desire which doesn't bode well for the future, I can remember watching young players come into the team years ago and seeing them busting a gut to impress and being desperate to get the ball (doesn't mean they always performed well but they cared and were hungry), no we see this, walking pace nonsense with no hunger to win, what a bore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I meant lucky escape I didn't watch, not the result as such.

To be honest we did play some younger players, but you'd think playing at a lower level they'd be keen to impress, seems to me even the kids lack desire which doesn't bode well for the future, I can remember watching young players come into the team years ago and seeing them busting a gut to impress and being desperate to get the ball (doesn't mean they always performed well but they cared and were hungry), no we see this, walking pace nonsense with no hunger to win, what a bore.

Ah

[selassie]

I meant lucky escape I didn't watch, not the result as such.

To be honest we did play some younger players, but you'd think playing at a lower level they'd be keen to impress, seems to me even the kids lack desire which doesn't bode well for the future, I can remember watching young players come into the team years ago and seeing them busting a gut to impress and being desperate to get the ball (doesn't mean they always performed well but they cared and were hungry), no we see this, walking pace nonsense with no hunger to win, what a bore.

Aye, though it doesn't help that Wenger plays most of them out of position. It's all part of their "education and development" apparently...:rolleyes:

[Marc Overmars]

Anyway feeling all kinds of positive about Sunday

If we try really hard, we might be able to beat them 0-0.

[Cripps]

That'll be up there with our 0-0 win at Stamford Bridge.

[Power n Glory]

He’s outstayed his welcome to the point now where people probably won’t even give a shit if he stays on next season and even if he signs a another extension.

This club is a soulless pit now thanks to those who run it.

To think, be careful what you wish for was the common retort amongst the apologists.

Cunts.

Wenger out!

[Letters]

I don't want 1-0, 2-1 wins every week followed by some random defeat all season, I want to see runs of games where we beat teams by 3,4,5 goals and are convincing, games where we genuinely look like the better side, not scrape through.
And yet you thoroughly enjoyed the 92/93 season because of a few good wins in big games in an otherwise awful season?
And you'd have been disappointed by The Invincibles on the first count, the occasional thumping but mostly fairly narrow wins if you look back.
The difference is we looked convincing though and it was good to watch. I don't really enjoy watching us most of the time these days and that's the bigger problem than the results which are mostly good.
And we used to go into big games thinking we could get a result, right now I'm planning on hiding under my bed on Sunday.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It’s the performances rather than the results that are the problem

We won 15 times at home in the league in the unbeaten system - seven times by a score line of 2-1, nine times overall with a one goal margin of victory. But few of them were games where we huffed and puffed for ages and failed to keep possession. We dominated the games

In terms of score line Letters is right, by and large there aren’t large sustained periods of three-four goal bummings. But Zim is right in that during winning runs the wins were convincing and we looked like we could beat anyone as opposed to looking like we could fall apart at any time.

In 01/02 (my personal favourite of our title wins under Wenger) we won 13 games in a row in the league scoring 29 goals and conceding 6 (with three of those coming against Everton in the final game after we’d already won the title which made that win as much about solid defending)

[Özim]

And yet you thoroughly enjoyed the 92/93 season because of a few good wins in big games in an otherwise awful season?
And you'd have been disappointed by The Invincibles on the first count, the occasional thumping but mostly fairly narrow wins if you look back.
The difference is we looked convincing though and it was good to watch. I don't really enjoy watching us most of the time these days and that's the bigger problem than the results which are mostly good.
And we used to go into big games thinking we could get a result, right now I'm planning on hiding under my bed on Sunday.

How many times must I go through the same explanation!!!

92/93 was a cup year, we sacrificed the league (hence the attendances), we played weakened teams in the league, the final position wasn't representaive of how good we were.

The cup games I did enjoy however, full of drama, desire, last minute goals, so yes I did enjoy the two cup runs and winning both trophies, the FA Cup in a dramatic way against perhaps a better side.

The invincibles played much much better football, yes we had narrow wins but we also had big wins, I can remember when we won the first title though going to Blackburn and winning 4-1 having scored 3 in 20 minutes, we did have some good runs of form where we looked the real deal, not all season perhaps but some of it. In addition the narrow wins we never that close because we usually played teams off the park but their missed a lot or their keeper made a lot of great saves.

[Cripps]

How many times must I go through the same explanation!!!

92/93 was a cup year, we sacrificed the league (hence the attendances), we played weakened teams in the league, the final position wasn't representaive of how good we were.

The cup games I did enjoy however, full of drama, desire, last minute goals, so yes I did enjoy the two cup runs and winning both trophies, the FA Cup in a dramatic way against perhaps a better side.

The invincibles played much much better football, yes we had narrow wins but we also had big wins, I can remember when we won the first title though going to Blackburn and winning 4-1 having scored 3 in 20 minutes, we did have some good runs of form where we looked the real deal, not all season perhaps but some of it. In addition the narrow wins we never that close because we usually played teams off the park but their missed a lot or their keeper made a lot of great saves.

Wenger apologists aren't the sharpest tool in the box are they :console:

[Özim]

It’s the performances rather than the results that are the problem

We won 15 times at home in the league in the unbeaten system - seven times by a score line of 2-1, nine times overall with a one goal margin of victory. But few of them were games where we huffed and puffed for ages and failed to keep possession. We dominated the games

In terms of score line Letters is right, by and large there aren’t large sustained periods of three-four goal bummings. But Zim is right in that during winning runs the wins were convincing and we looked like we could beat anyone as opposed to looking like we could fall apart at any time.

Spot on, our results now are hard work to say the least, yes we do win but not often are they convincing wins where we looked comfortable.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger apologists aren't the sharpest tool in the box are they :console:

They letting kids have their phones out on their desks now?

Disgraceful

[Özim]

Wenger apologists aren't the sharpest tool in the box are they :console:

He's obsessed with 92/93, yes we didn't play amazing football, but one thing we had in abundance was a real desire, in the cup matches there was real tension and the way we won was dramatic, didn't we also come back against Leeds from 2-0 down at Elland road to win. It's not always big wins that make good matches, it's desire, excitement, tension.

The league was a washout as we basically realised we wre progressing in the cups and saved ourselves for that.

[Letters]

They letting kids have their phones out on their desks now?

Disgraceful

:lol:

Seriously though. Have you seen the "Educating..." series. I wouldn't have talked to my teachers like that :sulk:
Kids :rolleyes:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:lol:

Seriously though. Have you seen the "Educating..." series. I wouldn't have talked to my teachers like that :sulk:
Kids :rolleyes:

No because I don’t like kids, I prefer them to be neither seen or heard

[Power n Glory]

He's obsessed with 92/93, yes we didn't play amazing football, but one thing we had in abundance was a real desire, in the cup matches there was real tension and the way we won was dramatic, didn't we also come back against Leeds from 2-0 down at Elland road to win. It's not always big wins that make good matches, it's desire, excitement, tension.

The league was a washout as we basically realised we wre progressing in the cups and saved ourselves for that.

Most people on here know exactly where you’re coming from. But if one person of the bunch still can’t grasp what you’re saying, is it worth explaining it again and again?

But anyway….Wenger Out! Not much else to say. I have no desire to watch this team play anymore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Most people on here know exactly where you’re coming from. But if one person of the bunch still can’t grasp what you’re saying, is it worth explaining it again and again?

But anyway….Wenger Out! Not much else to say. I have no desire to watch this team play anymore.

If this message board was a play it would be Waiting for Godot

[Letters]

I have no desire to watch this team play anymore.
Well. Don't then. :shrug:
That's what I've done.
I check results, that's about it.

[Niall_Quinn]

:haha:

I’d love to have the kind of money to be that much of a cunt

Absolutely. How about people parking in your space? Imagine being able to smash up their car and write a cheque for twice the value and tape it to the remains?

They'd never park in your spot again. Never!

[Power n Glory]

Well. Don't then. :shrug:
That's what I've done.
I check results, that's about it.

That's what's starting to happen. I haven't been watching the UEFA Cup games, didn't catch the League Cup game and might even skip the City game if on at an awkward time.

[Cripps]

They letting kids have their phones out on their desks now?

Disgraceful

Winding you up is so easy you sensitive soul :console:

You bite every time :haha:

[Cripps]

He's obsessed with 92/93, yes we didn't play amazing football, but one thing we had in abundance was a real desire, in the cup matches there was real tension and the way we won was dramatic, didn't we also come back against Leeds from 2-0 down at Elland road to win. It's not always big wins that make good matches, it's desire, excitement, tension.

The league was a washout as we basically realised we wre progressing in the cups and saved ourselves for that.

They move goalposts to suit their arguments

They become selective with their memory

They just can't deal with the fact we were right all along about Wenger :(

Hate being right :(

[Letters]

Winding you up is so easy you sensitive soul :console:

You bite every time :haha:

Wait...so you admit you're a WUM?
Now where's that ban-hammer? ##

[Letters]

Hate being right :(
Ah, I see...

[Cripps]

Wait...so you admit you're a WUM?
Now where's that ban-hammer? ##

:lol: You were waiting for an excuse.
Well, it was nice knowing you :tiphat:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Winding you up is so easy you sensitive soul :console:

You bite every time :haha:

You weren’t even replying to me you silly sausage

[Cripps]

You weren’t even replying to me you silly sausage

Exactly:lol:

It was directed at Letters but you stepped in :lol:

Mr I don't care but take everything personally :haha:

Bet you're like this in real life too.. sensitive Herbert :console:

[Letters]

That's what's starting to happen. I haven't been watching the UEFA Cup games, didn't catch the League Cup game and might even skip the City game if on at an awkward time.

Last season I watched most of the Cup run. That was about it. Actually missed the semi-final (saw bit of it in a pub but not much).
I used to arrange my calendar around Arsenal games, not any more.
I think part of that is getting older and different priority, but the way we play and the lack of hope when it comes to the biggest prizes is a factor.

[Niall_Quinn]

I meant lucky escape I didn't watch, not the result as such.

To be honest we did play some younger players, but you'd think playing at a lower level they'd be keen to impress, seems to me even the kids lack desire which doesn't bode well for the future, I can remember watching young players come into the team years ago and seeing them busting a gut to impress and being desperate to get the ball (doesn't mean they always performed well but they cared and were hungry), no we see this, walking pace nonsense with no hunger to win, what a bore.

They don't lack desire, at least we can't say that for sure. And Maitland Niles, Nelson, Willock, they were all giving it a go. But they are playing in a sea of chaos. There's no shape to the team. No discernible tactics beyond the most basic push up when they have the ball, go random when we have it. We have players out of position, like Elneny who played some of the game CB and was forced to come out and play midfield the rest of the time because Jack was stuck wide trying to make things happen but had a striker who was back to goal and had to come deep to get a sniff. Giroud's not fast but he's strong when he can be bothered. Why isn't he using that strength to put a bit of pressure on defenders and open up some space. Give the foul away of you have to, but keep putting the pressure on.

So many intricate flicks and tricks when a simple system and a bit of ambition in the play would make it so much easier.

That dick Wenger says it himself. We kept the ball. That's all he cares about. We did fuck all with it, but he dismisses all that with his usual, "lacked bit of penetration", or, "lacked little bit quality in the final third", bullshit which he trots out all the fucking time without doing a damn thing about it. If we lack little bit penetration, then why aren't we adding little bit penetration to our game instead of constantly passing it sideways and backwards at a snail's pace? If we lack little bit quality in the final third, then sign some fucking players who have the quality, you mong!

He watched how we struggled last time he picked a random team in this tournament. So he picks a random team again, we struggle again and he congratulates himself for resting players that apparently can no longer play twice a week. When did that happen? Successful clubs always have to tackle more than a game a week, especially as the season heats up towards the end. If our little darlings are going to be cosseted all through the early and mid season then how are they going to cope when we need them for the crunch games later? They won't, and they don't. That's been a massive problem for years and Le Idiot insists on making it worse. Fuck, he won't even let Lacazette play 90 minutes. What the fuck is all this about? Is his ultimate aim to rest them all for a whole season and never play? Maybe turn us into a bank?

I don't mind seeing 3 or 4 reserve players come in for cup competitions and so-called minor games (not that we have any minor games because we need to take whatever we can get). But randomising the whole fucking team and expecting it to gel, constantly chopping and changing the first eleven, switching players into positions that effectively kills their game, the guy's a fucking tool. He really is. He gives us no chance of achieving a bit of momentum or even a settled team.

And there's no sign of it changing. He's the ultimate Mr Average. Scrape the result against the lower clubs, most of the time because we even fuck that up sometimes, and then see what you can do against supposed rivals. Win some, lose some, on average you come out with enough points to make another 30 mill quid from CL qualification. He avoids winning in order to avoid losing.

[Niall_Quinn]

No because I don’t like kids, I prefer them to be neither seen or heard

Nor would be better there, rather than or.

[Niall_Quinn]

If this message board was a play it would be Waiting for Godot

It would be the sequel. Losing all hope of Godot ever turning up.

[Cripps]

Nor would be better there, rather than or.

Pedantic NQ :bow:

Pedantic NQ > philosophical NQ > Niallgel Farage

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Exactly:lol:

It was directed at Letters but you stepped in :lol:

Mr I don't care but take everything personally :haha:

Bet you're like this in real life too.. sensitive Herbert :console:

It’s because I know you’re going to respond like this (or certainly I hope you do)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pedantic NQ :bow:

Pedantic NQ > philosophical NQ > Niallgel Farage

Is Farage a pedant?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It would be the sequel. Losing all hope of Godot ever turning up.

True

[Cripps]

It’s because I know you’re going to respond like this

Uh huh sure :coffee:

[Letters]

It’s because I know you’re going to respond like this (or certainly I hope you do)

As if...

:coffee:

[Cripps]

Letters switching accounts to post from the other one :coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Letters switching accounts to post from the other one :coffee:

https://www.simplypsychology.org/Pavlov.jpg

[Letters]

Dogs :bow:

I'm sure Vieira agrees :coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Dogs :bow:

I'm sure Vieira agrees :coffee:

He’s my reason for coming here today. Today is really dragging

Who was he before he changed his username?.

I’m guessing she wore a yellow ribbon.

[Cripps]

https://www.simplypsychology.org/Pavlov.jpg

The only dog I like is your mum :coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The only dog I like is your mum :coffee:

You like my mum?

And I thought I was meant to be the creepy weirdo :haha:

[Power n Glory]

They don't lack desire, at least we can't say that for sure. And Maitland Niles, Nelson, Willock, they were all giving it a go. But they are playing in a sea of chaos. There's no shape to the team. No discernible tactics beyond the most basic push up when they have the ball, go random when we have it. We have players out of position, like Elneny who played some of the game CB and was forced to come out and play midfield the rest of the time because Jack was stuck wide trying to make things happen but had a striker who was back to goal and had to come deep to get a sniff. Giroud's not fast but he's strong when he can be bothered. Why isn't he using that strength to put a bit of pressure on defenders and open up some space. Give the foul away of you have to, but keep putting the pressure on.

So many intricate flicks and tricks when a simple system and a bit of ambition in the play would make it so much easier.

That dick Wenger says it himself. We kept the ball. That's all he cares about. We did fuck all with it, but he dismisses all that with his usual, "lacked bit of penetration", or, "lacked little bit quality in the final third", bullshit which he trots out all the fucking time without doing a damn thing about it. If we lack little bit penetration, then why aren't we adding little bit penetration to our game instead of constantly passing it sideways and backwards at a snail's pace? If we lack little bit quality in the final third, then sign some fucking players who have the quality, you mong!

He watched how we struggled last time he picked a random team in this tournament. So he picks a random team again, we struggle again and he congratulates himself for resting players that apparently can no longer play twice a week. When did that happen? Successful clubs always have to tackle more than a game a week, especially as the season heats up towards the end. If our little darlings are going to be cosseted all through the early and mid season then how are they going to cope when we need them for the crunch games later? They won't, and they don't. That's been a massive problem for years and Le Idiot insists on making it worse. Fuck, he won't even let Lacazette play 90 minutes. What the fuck is all this about? Is his ultimate aim to rest them all for a whole season and never play? Maybe turn us into a bank?

I don't mind seeing 3 or 4 reserve players come in for cup competitions and so-called minor games (not that we have any minor games because we need to take whatever we can get). But randomising the whole fucking team and expecting it to gel, constantly chopping and changing the first eleven, switching players into positions that effectively kills their game, the guy's a fucking tool. He really is. He gives us no chance of achieving a bit of momentum or even a settled team.

And there's no sign of it changing. He's the ultimate Mr Average. Scrape the result against the lower clubs, most of the time because we even fuck that up sometimes, and then see what you can do against supposed rivals. Win some, lose some, on average you come out with enough points to make another 30 mill quid from CL qualification. He avoids winning in order to avoid losing.

Sums up what I've felt about project youth. Nothing to do with desire, they just didn't have the right tools and weren't given any advise on how to help themselves when faced with tough situation.

Did someone say that Keown was once stopped by Wenger from giving instructions to a player? Something about Wenger wanting the players to learn for themselves?

I think in a lot of cases we have players being led out to the sea to drawn.

[Cripps]

You like my mum?

And I thought I was meant to be the creepy weirdo :haha:

Nothing creepy about liking your mum :coffee:

Half of London knows her :coffee:

[Cripps]

Sums up what I've felt about project youth. Nothing to do with desire, they just didn't have the right tools and weren't given any advise on how to help themselves when faced with tough situation.

Did someone say that Keown was once stopped by Wenger from giving instructions to a player? Something about Wenger wanting the players to learn for themselves?

I think in a lot of cases we have players being led out to the sea to drawn.

He should have been sacked for project youth alone

But the board gave him a pay rise :doh:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Nothing creepy about liking your mum :coffee:

Half of London knows her :coffee:

Half of London are Necrophiles?

I don’t think it’s fair to project your perversions onto other people

[Power n Glory]

Nothing creepy about liking your mum :coffee:

Half of London knows her :coffee:

What's her name? We may have crossed paths. :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What's her name? We may have crossed paths. :lol:

Depends....how often do you go to cemeteries to score :haha:

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Vieira isn’t projecting

[Cripps]

What's her name? We may have crossed paths. :lol:

Sue Terry :lol:

[Power n Glory]

Depends....how often do you go to cemeteries to score :haha:

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Vieira isn’t projecting

I'm talking way back. Vieira could be your papa! Ya never know. Show some respect!

Definitely not me. I'd have pulled out. :run:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm talking way back. Vieira could be your papa! Ya never know. Show some respect!

Definitely not me. I'd have pulled out. :run:

No staying power then, no staying power now

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Sue Terry :lol:

I had to look her up

Christ....she looks like she’s got rigor mortis whilst still alive

You like them crumbly then?

[Cripps]

I'm talking way back. Vieira could be your papa! Ya never know. Show some respect!



Tbf I do own him every day on here

:tiphat:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Tbf I do own him every day on here

:tiphat:

You keep talking about owning

Plus with your predilection for decaying women

Please don’t watch anything about Jeffrey Dahlmer. I fear it will give you ideas

Although in honesty you do cause me a lot of grief. I spent an hour on the phone last night crying to my accountant because of your mums letter. She wants the support payments backdated

[Niall_Quinn]

Sums up what I've felt about project youth. Nothing to do with desire, they just didn't have the right tools and weren't given any advise on how to help themselves when faced with tough situation.

Did someone say that Keown was once stopped by Wenger from giving instructions to a player? Something about Wenger wanting the players to learn for themselves?

I think in a lot of cases we have players being led out to the sea to drawn.

Wenger asserted that pointing out a player's faults removed their ability to figure things out for themselves. Imagine if school teachers took that view? They'd teach the kids fuck all for fear of depriving them of the chance to hit the books by themselves. Nice job if it existed. Well it does exist at Arsenal. And this is the guy who is supposed to be the master as guiding careers. It's a farce, an obvious one, but the bloke in charge wants it that way and so farce is what we get.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger asserted that pointing out a player's faults removed their ability to figure things out for themselves. Imagine if school teachers took that view? They'd teach the kids fuck all for fear of depriving them of the chance to hit the books by themselves. Nice job if it existed. Well it does exist at Arsenal. And this is the guy who is supposed to be the master as guiding careers. It's a farce, an obvious one, but the bloke in charge wants it that way and so farce is what we get.

At the risk of actually being serious. This was a guy who was able to nurture and get the best out of talent and now he’s completely useless at it. Makes me wonder if he actually bothers trying. In the days of Anelka there were other people at the club actually doing shit so was able to spend time getting the best out of him.

Of course you’re not going to get the next Anelka for 500k. But even when we’ve spent good money on potential recently, it’s been a total fuck up in the main.

It’s like he’s demanded that he takes control of everything so doesn’t have the time to do his own job properly anymore but too stupid and stubborn to delegate.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Don’t get me wrong he’s too far gone to be of any use to us even with a proper support structure in place. But does make you wonder if he’d have performed better if he didn’t take it upon himself to be Atlas when Dein, Edelman et al fucked off ten years ago.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger asserted that pointing out a player's faults removed their ability to figure things out for themselves. Imagine if school teachers took that view? They'd teach the kids fuck all for fear of depriving them of the chance to hit the books by themselves. Nice job if it existed. Well it does exist at Arsenal. And this is the guy who is supposed to be the master as guiding careers. It's a farce, an obvious one, but the bloke in charge wants it that way and so farce is what we get.

It's such a flawed concept that won't work with young players and especially those struggling to find an answer. What does he actually teach them in that case?

[Niall_Quinn]

Don’t get me wrong he’s too far gone to be of any use to us even with a proper support structure in place. But does make you wonder if he’d have performed better if he didn’t take it upon himself to be Atlas when Dein, Edelman et al fucked off ten years ago.

Are you talking about his selfless desire to be overlord of all he surveys? This is what forms the foundation of the pro-Wenger, "He does soooooooo much for us...", rhetoric. As if it's a bonus rather than a curse.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's such a flawed concept that won't work with young players and especially those struggling to find an answer. What does he actually teach them in that case?

He teaches them where the football section in the library is at.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Are you talking about his selfless desire to be overlord of all he surveys? This is what forms the foundation of the pro-Wenger, "He does soooooooo much for us...", rhetoric. As if it's a bonus rather than a curse.

Well Atlas was a selfish twat as well

Whilst most debate on the subject is anodyne because people who want Wenger to stay are either prisoners of their own fear or people who are on the make.

I don’t think most managers would want the level of responsibility Wenger has and I believe that if Wenger had wanted help to lighten the load even this useless board would have done so....so there’s no question of it being selfless. It’s a question of being a control freak, I’ve worked alongside enough micro managers to know it ends disastrously every time.

It’s more about saying the stupid sod has made a rod for his own back.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well Atlas was a selfish twat as well

Shrugging bastard.

[Cripps]

It’s more about saying the stupid sod has made a rod for his own back.

Enough about Letters

What about Wenger?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Enough about Letters

What about Wenger?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/530489555070488577/MEk7Imy5_400x400.jpeg

What about him?

[Niall_Quinn]

I would.

[Globalgunner]

I would.

Much as I hate Wenger. i wouldnt leave him alone with you NQ. One of you may not survive the experience

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And cut out the personal spiting here too, please.

[Cripps]

Macatma Gandhi :bow: