Sp*rs match reaction

[Cripps]

New dawn :lol:

Be careful what you wish for :lol:

Letters :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Only Cech can have any pride from that performance

[KSE Comedy Club]

Fucking fuming

[Ralpheroo72]

That was awesome! Like shitting your pants in a busy shopping centre. Someone at this club has to finally say enough is enough. Who has the balls to make that call?

[Niall_Quinn]

Whatever it takes to get that cunt out of out club...

Do it.

Morality doesn't even enter into it.

[Cripps]

Fucking fuming

:pal:

[Cripps]

Whatever it takes to get that cunt out of out club...

Do it.

Morality doesn't even enter into it.

He's going nowhere :lol:

3.5 years of this left :lol:

[Goonermerree]

Rubbish, just rubbish.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:sick:

[Niall_Quinn]

:pal:

Don't

Not today.

Not a joke.

Yes, it's "only" football - but we all grew up with this shit.

So, don't!

[Marc Overmars]

We were outplayed in the second half. Didn't even make them sweat until the last 5 minutes, just poor all round and really gutless.

Another limp away day, demonstrating again why we won't be getting anywhere near 4th.

Fuck off Wenker!

[Globalgunner]

Dont think there is a worse manager in all of football. Or with less pride. Cunt is only concerned about waking up and not having anything to do

[Gubby Allen]

Crap.

I enjoyed our shot on goal in 90 minutes though.

We had one, we cannot be too greedy.

[HCZ]

About as strong mentally as Theon Greyjoy, about as potent too

[Gubby Allen]

So Perez and Giroud are not needed and we keep Lacazette?

[Cripps]

Don't

Not today.

Not a joke.

Yes, it's "only" football - but we all grew up with this shit.

So, don't!

:pal:

[Cripps]

Dont think there is a worse manager in all of football. Or with less pride. Cunt is only concerned about waking up and not having anything to do

Clearly not awful :sulk:

:Letters:

[Niall_Quinn]

Dont think there is a worse manager in all of football. Or with less pride. Cunt is only concerned about waking up and not having anything to do

There isn't.

He's EASILY the worst manager in football. EASILY. Look at the resources. Look at the record.

What a fraud.

Remember how we had to put up with all those Wengerite drone cunts laughing at us?

Who's laughing now?

Unfortunately, nobody, except Wenger.

At least we weren't made into bitches and pimped out to sell his myth.

Our arseholes are intact, unpenetrated by Arsenal.Pracvada.com.

We're still virgins dude!

And we don't have AIDS!

Happy days

[Cripps]

As for Ozil on the wing, how tragic :haha:

HCZ :haha:

[Master Splinter]

WUMger has ruined Lacashite but even Kevin Davies would putting those away FFS.

Mkhitaryan was crap but why was he moved to the left when he and Bellerin linked well last week?

Ozil back to his usual pussy self after a few good performances.

Wilshere the only one who performed to a competent level.

1.5 more years :bow:.

[Niall_Quinn]

:pal:

Ah - hardcore.

I can live with that too.

[Cripps]

There isn't.

He's EASILY the worst manager in football. EASILY. Look at the resources. Look at the record.

What a fraud.

Remember how we had to put up with all those Wengerite drone cunts laughing at us?

Who's laughing now?

Unfortunately, nobody, except Wenger.

At least we weren't made into bitches and pimped out to sell his myth.

Our arseholes are intact, unpenetrated by Arsenal.Pracvada.com.

We're still virgins dude!

And we don't have AIDS!

Happy days

Knee jerk :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

Knee jerk :sulk:

True. Let's judge him when the season implodesends.

[Marc Overmars]

We are by some distance the weakest team of the top 6.

[Niall_Quinn]

WE HATE WENGER, WE HATE WENGER!
WE HATE WENGER AND WE HATE WENGER!
WE HATE WENGER, WE HATE WENGER!
WE ARE THE WENGER...


HATERS!

[Power n Glory]

Xhaka and Elneny were awful. Watched them closely all game and neither of them pressed an opponent. Piss poor.

Kos and Mustafi were shit. Kos is a fucking fraud.

[Niall_Quinn]

HATE!

[Cripps]

Possibly 27 points behind the leaders by close of play this weekend :haha:

[HCZ]

Xhaka and Elneny were awful. Watched them closely all game and neither of them pressed an opponent. Piss poor.

Kos and Mustafi were shit. Kos is a fucking fraud.

No we clearly didn’t learn from the game at the Emirates, no one did any kind of pressing the whole game

[Niall_Quinn]

Xhaka and Elneny were awful. Watched them closely all game and neither of them pressed an opponent. Piss poor.

Kos and Mustafi were shit. Kos is a fucking fraud.

Same here. I was testing myself to see if I was just following a trend. So I keyed in on them.

Absolute joke.

And we wonder why we have no midfield?

Jack, on the other hand, poor bastard. Doing the job of three "men" and he got swamped as a result.

Wenger won't have seen any of it. None of it will get past his reality filter.

[Cripps]

Where's Letters and his usual Wenger :bow: post

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Possibly 27 points behind the leaders by close of play this weekend :haha:

Yes - perhaps.

But it's just stagnation. Nothing worse. Don't panic.

[selassie]

Pathetic and spineless, we were embarrassed in the second half.

[hobson's choice]

We have a relegation level midfield. That's it.

[HCZ]

HATE!

https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/feat.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

[Cripps]

We have a relegation level midfield. That's it.

No decline :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

No we clearly didn’t learn from the game at the Emirates, no one did any kind of pressing the whole game

Look! If the fish follow the seagulls to the trawler then it means I deserve 11million quid.

Do you sea?

[HCZ]

Where's Letters and his usual Wenger :bow: post

:haha:

You’ve scared him off you horrible bully

[Niall_Quinn]

https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/feat.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

I think that's about right.

Although obviously I'm a pretty amiable guy under normal circumstances. But when duty calls.

[HCZ]

Last 26 away league games

7 wins 5 draws 14 defeats

[HCZ]

I think that's about right.

Although obviously I'm a pretty amiable guy under normal circumstances. But when duty calls.

You murder women and kids to claim their inheritance?

Well we’ve all got to make our way in the world somehow

[Niall_Quinn]

Where's Letters and his usual Wenger :bow: post

:haha:

He'll jusdge it at the end of the season. And then wipe the slate clean at the start of the next.

[Cripps]

Last 26 away league games

7 wins 5 draws 14 defeats

Wenger :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

You murder women and kids to claim their inheritance?

Well we’ve all got to make our way in the world somehow

I didn't plan it that way. It just came up.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Possibly 27 points behind the leaders by close of play this weekend :haha:

We have them next in the league. :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger :bow:

I think he needs a contract extension and a pay rise.

Like last time.

[Cripps]

He'll jusdge it at the end of the season. And then wipe the slate clean at the start of the next.

We clearly aren't rubbish.
Wenger clearly just needs more money.
Those that say Wenger is awful are obviously over exaggerating.
Wenger :bow:

[HCZ]

Do you see?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrMmPWCg7UITlSXi_BoSgWpeGzs3leJ QQTH6t68vM7MP22OotT

[Cripps]

We have them next in the league. :good:

FFS are you serious

:rose:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrMmPWCg7UITlSXi_BoSgWpeGzs3leJ QQTH6t68vM7MP22OotT

That's a bit gay.

[HCZ]

FFS are you serious

:rose:

Yep we don’t play again in the league until 1st March

[Gubby Allen]

We haven't got another league game in February.

I look forward to our next false dawn, beating Ostersunds 2-0 and everything being ok again.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

FFS are you serious

:rose:

Two games in a row actually counting the Caribou Cup Final. Of course we have the Europa League before that. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

FFS are you serious

:rose:

We have them twice. Once in the league and once in the Cannelloni Cup.

[HCZ]

That's a bit gay.

A guy bollock naked showing off the giant tattoo on his back to another man in his underwear tied to a chair?

How is that possibly a bit gay?

[Niall_Quinn]

We clearly aren't rubbish.
Wenger clearly just needs more money.
Those that say Wenger is awful are obviously over exaggerating.
Wenger :bow:

He's left trying to get along with 100mill worth of strikers.

Obviously he can't be expected to teach players to cross a ball.

[Power n Glory]

Same here. I was testing myself to see if I was just following a trend. So I keyed in on them.

Absolute joke.

And we wonder why we have no midfield?

Jack, on the other hand, poor bastard. Doing the job of three "men" and he got swamped as a result.

Wenger won't have seen any of it. None of it will get past his reality filter.

We really fucked up by selling Coquelin. These two clowns can't win the ball back and it's pointless playing either. We might as well have not played either of them and gone all attack.

[HCZ]

We haven't got another league game in February.

I look forward to our next false dawn, beating Ostersunds 2-0 and everything being ok again.

Beating Östersunds?

Away from home?

We don’t win away from home you silly person

[KSE Comedy Club]

:pal:

Come on mate, it’s fucking spurs for fucks sake!

[Ralpheroo72]

Last 26 away league games

7 wins 5 draws 14 defeats

2 more years

[Niall_Quinn]

We really fucked up by selling Coquelin. These two clowns can't win the ball back and it's pointless playing either. We might as well have not played either of them and gone all attack.

I don't know now. Maybe we just have to wing and a prayer it on AMN? It's as close to AMEN as makes no difference.

Ramsey, Jack and ANM?

Do they have enough balls to actually be there when the midfield shit is happening?

I can't even begin to plan a way that leads to me contemplating some sort of belief outreach that allows me to comprehend the 35 mill signing of Xhaka. I mean... what?

And he keeps playing him.

I don't know what to say any more.

[Gubby Allen]

Beating Östersunds?

Away from home?

We don’t win away from home you silly person

I was talking about the home leg.

We'll probably be 5-1 down by the time that it comes around.

[Niall_Quinn]

I was talking about the home leg.

We'll probably be 5-1 down by the time that it comes around.

And win 3-0.

Glorious!

[Niall_Quinn]

WE HATE WENGER, WE HATE WENGER!
WE HATE WENGER AND WE HATE WENGER!
WE HATE WENGER, WE HATE WENGER!
WE ARE THE WENGER...


HATERS!

[HCZ]

Won 25% of all games we’ve played away from the Emirates this season

We’ve played a myriad of different players

Just the one constant to it all

[hobson's choice]

We really fucked up by selling Coquelin. These two clowns can't win the ball back and it's pointless playing either. We might as well have not played either of them and gone all attack.

Our midfield is bottom table status.

Elneny Wilshere, Ramsey Xhaka is simply not up to the levels.

The only one ill keep is Wilshere, and that's as a squad player.

At this point just see what Willock and Niles can offer.

Xhaka should never play another single second for this club anymore.

[HCZ]

Are we smuggling him into away matches ?

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger doesn't know how to use Aubameyang.

We've wasted another 50 million.

Just as predicted should this fraud be allowed to somehow remain as a professional football club manager.

It's beyond all bounds of belief.

We are into new territory here.

Never happened in the history of football.

Look it up.

You won't find anything as ridiculous as Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

Robbie's spinning and shifting graphics are really cool, right?

That's all they are.

Graphics.

Poor old Robbie doesn't get why graphics don't matter. Probably too busy being a media big shot.

Focus on the problems matey.
If you are REALLY "Fan" TV

But I guess those contracts are hard to resist.
So hype, hype, hype.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGqb76Zkv3c

[Niall_Quinn]

FUCK OFF WENGER!
FUCK OFF WENGER!
FUCK OFF WENGER!
FUCK OFF WENGER!

[Power n Glory]

Wenger doesn't know how to use Aubameyang.

We've wasted another 50 million.

Just as predicted should this fraud be allowed to somehow remain as a professional football club manager.

It's beyond all bounds of belief.

We are into new territory here.

Never happened in the history of football.

Look it up.

You won't find anything as ridiculous as Wenger.

0 shots, 0 crosses, 0 take ons.

Wenger has no idea what he's doing with Auba.

[Cripps]

0 shots, 0 crosses, 0 take ons.

Wenger has no idea what he's doing with Auba.

Enough about Lacazette. What about Aubameyang?

[Niall_Quinn]

0 shots, 0 crosses, 0 take ons.

Wenger has no idea what he's doing with Auba.

It can't be Wenger. It must be something else.

Luck maybe?

Or the pitch.

Or the wrong type of zipper.

I believe Wenger can lead us through to greatness.

I really believe that.

And I'm a cunt.

A massive, massive, anti-Arsenal cunt that has helped lead this club to mediocrity.

I'm so proud of myself.

[Niall_Quinn]

Enough about Lacazette. What about Aubameyang?

What about BOTH of them?

There's a clue in there somewhere.

Get that CUNT out of our club.

[Niall_Quinn]

Next time you spot a pro-Wenger cunt.

PUNCH HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!

[Goonermerree]

Next time you spot a pro-Wenger cunt.

PUNCH HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!

Plenty of them about.

[Özim]

Disappointing result but expected, beaten by a superior team.

Lacazette missed the chance at the end, but for the 10 mins he was on did a lot more than Aubameyang so can't blame him, Wenger has ruined his confidencce by subsituting him, dropping him for Aubameyang etc.

Outclassed in the 2nd half, the reality is Spurs are a better team, roles reversed, 10 years ago we were miles ahead of them, now it's the other way round, they have quality all over the pitch, we only have quality going forward and when that doesn't work we lose.

Keeper despite his saves (which kept it from being a cricket score) needs replacing, CB's are awful we need 2 new ones and new right back to at least challenge Bellerin and proper DM to replace that waste of space Xhaka that Wenger insists on playing every single game despite him have zero talent.

We're getting what was coming to us now, being shown up for being not good enough.

[Globalgunner]

Disappointing result but expected, beaten by a superior team.

Lacazette missed the chance at the end, but for the 10 mins he was on did a lot more than Aubameyang so can't blame him, Wenger has ruined his confidencce by subsituting him, dropping him for Aubameyang etc.

Outclassed in the 2nd half, the reality is Spurs are a better team, roles reversed, 10 years ago we were miles ahead of them, now it's the other way round, they have quality all over the pitch, we only have quality going forward and when that doesn't work we lose.

Keeper despite his saves (which kept it from being a cricket score) needs replacing, CB's are awful we need 2 new ones and new right back to at least challenge Bellerin and proper DM to replace that waste of space Xhaka that Wenger insists on playing every single game despite him have zero talent.

We're getting what was coming to us now, being shown up for being not good enough.

You forgot Wenger out. None of those changes will make a micron of difference with that dotard still in place.

---and iwobi is as useless as they come, Played 10 mins and gave the ball away 10 times. he would not get a game playing in the championship. He kept calling for the ball and getting robbed of it immediately.

[Cripps]

Arsenal have won none of their last 16 away against the other teams in this season's top six - Lost 10 drawn 6.


No decline :lol:

[Globalgunner]

Arsenal have won none of their last 16 away against the other teams in this season's top six - Lost 10 drawn 6.


No decline :lol:

Be careful what you wish for. There are a lot of Moyes out there. Only 1 Arsene Wenger

[Cripps]

Carlo was at the match

Gazidis madness incoming:bow:

[Özim]

You forgot Wenger out. None of those changes will make a micron of difference with that dotard still in place.

---and iwobi is as useless as they come, Played 10 mins and gave the ball away 10 times. he would not get a game playing in the championship. He kept calling for the ball and getting robbed of it immediately.

That's a gimme, the guy can't do anything right, worst manager and also most overrated manager in football.

Agreed about Iwobi, absolute waste of time but another Wenger favourite like Xhaka, will get chance after chance despite not being fit to grace the PL, another one of these guys who's been handed a free ride, done nothing but doesn't have to, just as long as Wenger likes him.

[Power n Glory]

You forgot Wenger out. None of those changes will make a micron of difference with that dotard still in place.

---and iwobi is as useless as they come, Played 10 mins and gave the ball away 10 times. he would not get a game playing in the championship. He kept calling for the ball and getting robbed of it immediately.

Iwobi put Lacazette through on goal for the chance that was screwed wide. He got something right and did more than a lot of players with the 10 mins over those playing the full 90.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Lacazette's cameo was horrible......and even if the manager has ruined his confidence.....he needs to do better. With finishing like this it might as well have been Welbeck there for goodness sake.

We need to sign Dembele or kidnap him.......none of ur midfield could get anywhere near him. Well Jack tried, the rest just didn't bother. He could have played in midfield on his own today.

[Power n Glory]

Lacazette's cameo was horrible......and even if the manager has ruined his confidence.....he needs to do better. With finishing like this it might as well have been Welbeck there for goodness sake.

We need to sign Dembele or kidnap him.......none of ur midfield could get anywhere near him. Well Jack tried, the rest just didn't bother. He could have played in midfield on his own today.

He'd have finished that just with ease back in August. Agree with Rio on this one. If confidence comes out of your game, you aren't the same player.

The warning signs were there some weeks back where we rushed a chance and skied his shot. The volley today, you could see him adjust his stance to try and side foot instead of putting laces through it.

I'll cut him some slack because he at least got a chance on goal. Aubameyang might as well have not played.

[Fats]

Hey all, not been in here for years.

WTF is happening, today was dreadful!!!! Xhaka is what? I don’t get him at all

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wow. :faint:

[HCZ]

Hey all, not been in here for years.

WTF is happening, today was dreadful!!!! Xhaka is what? I don’t get him at all

Swiss Albanian

[Letters]

Pretty scrappy game all round.
First half it was pretty even, second half we were second best. We just give the ball away far too cheaply and better sides will punish you - although Spurs actually didn't today which is why it stayed 1-0 and at the end we had a couple of chances to get an undeserved equaliser.
And by "we" I mean Lacazette. Bagoshite, more like <_<

[Niall_Quinn]

Hey all, not been in here for years.

WTF is happening, today was dreadful!!!! Xhaka is what? I don’t get him at all

You owe me 5 quid btw.

[Niall_Quinn]

Pretty scrappy game all round.
First half it was pretty even, second half we were second best. We just give the ball away far too cheaply and better sides will punish you - although Spurs actually didn't today which is why it stayed 1-0 and at the end we had a couple of chances to get an undeserved equaliser.
And by "we" I mean Lacazette. Bagoshite, more like <_<

You're going to use Lacazette as the scapegoat?

We are sooooooooooooooooo beyond buying into that bullshit now.

Either Wenger out or kill the cunt.

[Letters]

You're going to use Lacazette as the scapegoat?
No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

[Niall_Quinn]

No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

And a "professional" manager? What should he be able to do? For 10 million quid?

[Letters]

And a "professional" manager? What should he be able to do? For 10 million quid?

There is no debate left there. Why are you trying to pick a fight?
I'm just telling you what I thought of the game.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is no debate left there. Why are you trying to pick a fight?
I'm just telling you what I thought of the game.

There's only one thing to think about the game at this late stage - Wenger out!

So why you didn't say that is a complete mystery.

Anything else is meaningless bullshit.

[Master Splinter]

WENGER out.

[dostoy]

At least 30,000 people have to start regularly missing home games and Arsenal have to go on a long losing run for there to be any chance of Wenger leaving in the summer.

In other words, no chance whatsoever.

I just cannot see how he can get another 2 year contract in the summer of 2019, if (when) next season is as bad or worse than this one.

Surely summer 2019 he will go, but not before.

[HCZ]

At least 30,000 people have to start regularly missing home games and Arsenal have to go on a long losing run for there to be any chance of Wenger leaving in the summer.

In other words, no chance whatsoever.

I just cannot see how he can get another 2 year contract in the summer of 2019, if (when) next season is as bad or worse than this one.

Surely summer 2019 he will go, but not before.

I don’t think he’s got any chance of getting a new contract

The problem is the damage he’s doing and the damage he can potentially do if he doesn’t go before then

We are the walking wounded, a lot of gaffer tape just to stop major organs plopping out

[dostoy]

I know a lot of people are THINKING he will go this summer and a hell of a lot more are HOPING for that but I just cannot see how.

The summer of 2019 is the earliest it will happen, I just hope Carlo Ancelotti is still available.

[HCZ]

We are now passed the point where we say “Wenger only fucks up so much, there’s a limit and then we level off” it’s a near certainty that we won’t win champions league qualification again whilst he’s with us, which has a very detrimental effect on commercial deals going forward even if the tv money itself is not as crucial.

[HCZ]

I know a lot of people are THINKING he will go this summer and a hell of a lot more are HOPING for that but I just cannot see how.

The summer of 2019 is the earliest it will happen, I just hope Carlo Ancelotti is still available.

It’s not likely but it’s possible he will go in the summer, it will take Gazidis having more clout than he’s had previously with Kroenke.
Frankly I don’t know why they haven’t tried to contact David Dein to get him to convince Wenger to go

[Letters]

Tell you what though, I'm saving loads in St Totteringham's Day bunting, cards and presents.
Every cloud...

[selassie]

We are now passed the point where we say “Wenger only fucks up so much, there’s a limit and then we level off” it’s a near certainty that we won’t win champions league qualification again whilst he’s with us, which has a very detrimental effect on commercial deals going forward even if the tv money itself is not as crucial.

Im hoping that Ivan, the new head of recruitment and the new Director of Football put enough pressure on Kroenke to relieve Wenger of his duties. Wenger is incapable of coaching these players to perform at the desired level we require of a Football club of this size. He’s not meeting targets, he’s failing. He has two 50 million pound players in attack, a plethora of good quality offensive players of which one is on 350k per week. It’s not only that, but man for man the quality of his defence is of a far higher level than they are performing at. Wenger can’t organise this team, it’s as simple as that.

Today’s performance was an abomination and it’s not the first time we have performed like this in an important league game. We looked totally disjointed all over the pitch, not one of our players served a purpose or had a defined role, we were even going through the motions in the first half, but that second half was just a car crash of a performance.

Wenger has absolutely no more excuses left now, he is clearly the problem here and should be held to account. He has actually made many of our players look a lot worse than they actually are through a mixture of poor tactics and inflexibility.

Ill say one final thing, Wenger is directly at fault for the lack of interest many Arsenal fans have in this current team.

I wrote off this season towards the end of November, we clearly aren’t going to finish top 4 because we aren’t currently part of this group, the teams currently above us with the possible exception of Chelsea have better managers and teams than us now. I also don’t think we will win the Europa League, Atletico and Napoli are far better teams than us right now.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You forgot Wenger out. None of those changes will make a micron of difference with that dotard still in place.

---and iwobi is as useless as they come, Played 10 mins and gave the ball away 10 times. he would not get a game playing in the championship. He kept calling for the ball and getting robbed of it immediately.

Iwobi played like he’d just rolled out of bed after an hours sleep following a night on the razz.

[Fats]

You owe me 5 quid btw.

how so?

[Fats]

I think we need to keep calm, every game played is another closer to hope

[Niall_Quinn]

how so?

Worth a try.

[Fats]

Worth a try.

Another 5 minutes you’d have had me

[Niall_Quinn]

Fans are still blaming the players.

I just don't get it.

So what if the players were shit. This set of players. Like all the other sets of players, all the other teams before them. I just don't get it. Why isn't every fan screaming for the useless prick who has been the one constant at the heart of all f this to fuck off? Why does he always get a free ride? Conte is over in chavland reconstructing a typical Wenger season - yet still doing better than Wenger because it's really, really hard to fuck as badly as the fuck we have have in charge here. Conte is probably out the door after one season and having won a title. But here, we're still saying that 37 goals a season Lacazette is the problem. And give it a few weeks and 39 goals a season Aubameyang will be a problem too. Last week a few fans (a very few) bothered to raise a protest, and they were shot to pieces just because we beat a terrible, terrible Everton team. The fans really do deserve what they are getting here. They are as weak, cowardly and pathetic as Wenger himself.

Alright, well maybe not as bad as Wenger, because plainly Wenger is the very worst or the worst. But these fans picking on players are just giving Wenger something to hide behind when he should be exposed as the absolute fraud he plainly is.

[Cripps]

Hey all, not been in here for years.

WTF is happening, today was dreadful!!!! Xhaka is what? I don’t get him at all

Don't bother coming back mate, it's not worth the stress.

[Cripps]

Pretty scrappy game all round.
First half it was pretty even, second half we were second best. We just give the ball away far too cheaply and better sides will punish you - although Spurs actually didn't today which is why it stayed 1-0 and at the end we had a couple of chances to get an undeserved equaliser.
And by "we" I mean Lacazette. Bagoshite, more like <_<

:faint:

[Cripps]

No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

You don't post on here cause you're not liked :lol:

Also now you admittedly don't post in the Arsenal section of an Arsenal forum, why not stand down as mod?

[Cripps]

There is no debate left there. Why are you trying to pick a fight?
I'm just telling you what I thought of the game.

Because you're a consecending prick that deserves it. Years of shite from you, now you can have it all back :tiphat:

[Fats]

Don't bother coming back mate, it's not worth the stress.

Trust I saw this coming years ago, way past stressing about it

[Niall_Quinn]

https://youtu.be/CAjizT5ZoHc?t=51s

Same shit. Over and over and over.

LOOK - we dominated and then we were little bit shit and as you know, we need to bounce back and as well it is disappointing and see you again for the same interview the next time.

Roll on the next, and the next and the next and the next. Don't change anything. Keep it all the same. Don't learn. Don't accept the reality. Just keep doing the same thing, making the same excuses.

[Cripps]

Trust I saw this coming years ago, way past stressing about it

Most did. Apart from Lettuce.

[Niall_Quinn]

You don't post on here cause you're not liked :lol:

Also now you admittedly don't post in the Arsenal section of an Arsenal forum, why not stand down as mod?

Steady on a bit would you. He provides this forum for free. We may not agree with what he posts and we may scratch each others eyes out but the only football thing that has survived for me and is worth giving a shit about through this Wenger nightmare is GW. Not the best forum on the internet, not the busiest, but it's the place us long standing victims of the French bloke huddle and compare horror stories, it's all we have. I wish every fan would turn every last scrap of fire onto the one target that deserves it. One huge volley that blows the fucker to kingdom come.

[Niall_Quinn]

Very valid question. What's the cutoff point? How low do we have to go before Wenger is sacked? There must surely be a point that's unacceptable even to comatose Stan? Or is there? How bad can this get?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfHiTvEX5s0

[Niall_Quinn]

DT trying to defend his badmouthing of the few fans who had the balls to protest last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RCYM2ZPew

[Niall_Quinn]

The away atmosphere is not so toxic any more, because we expect it, we expect to come to places like this and lose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haHAB8BfjqU

[Cripps]

Steady on a bit would you. He provides this forum for free. We may not agree with what he posts and we may scratch each others eyes out but the only football thing that has survived for me and is worth giving a shit about through this Wenger nightmare is GW. Not the best forum on the internet, not the busiest, but it's the place us long standing victims of the French bloke huddle and compare horror stories, it's all we have. I wish every fan would turn every last scrap of fire onto the one target that deserves it. One huge volley that blows the fucker to kingdom come.

I've heard that excuse before, Letters pays for the forum:lol:

It's about £10 a year isn't, I'm sure the other 2 can muster that between them :lol:

[Thierrymon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SXhWu_AinM&index=4&list=PL11F3650C4B76406C

[Xhaka Can’t]

I've heard that excuse before, Letters pays for the forum:lol:

It's about £10 a year isn't, I'm sure the other 2 can muster that between them :lol:

No it isn’t. There are hosting costs as well.

It isn’t a fortune, but it isn’t fuck all cost either.

I don’t see eye to eye with Letters on a lot of things, but he is a genuinely nice guy and whatever the cost, if he were a vindictive twat, he could just shut the whole thing down.

The mixture of people we have here, albeit small, clearly must like something about this place. Whether it be to vent, kill a few minutes or just have a bit of banter.

Of the Arsenal 3 or 4 Arsenal forums I used to regularly post, this is the only place I bother with.

[Cripps]

No it isn’t. There are hosting costs as well.

It isn’t a fortune, but it isn’t fuck all cost either.

I don’t see eye to eye with Letters on a lot of things, but he is a genuinely nice guy and whatever the cost, if he were a vindictive twat, he could just shut the whole thing down.

The mixture of people we have here, albeit small, clearly must like something about this place. Whether it be to vent, kill a few minutes or just have a bit of banter.

Of the Arsenal 3 or 4 Arsenal forums I used to regularly post, this is the only place I bother with.

Don't think anyone is doubting whether GW has a use, as it clearly does. But I don't care whether he's a nice guy, if he acts like a twat on here he'll get treated like one :good:

This place doesn't even need that many mods. He can easily stand down and you + Maccy take the reigns moving forward.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Anyways, it seems Spurs are a better team or at least a better managed team than us. But when all was said and done, when we were top dogs we won things, quite a lot of Cups and Leagues.

All Spurs can point to is a couple of years out of the last quarter of a century being slightly higher in the league table.

Enjoy your moment in the sun.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyways, it seems Spurs are a better team or at least a better managed team than us. But when all was said and done, when we were top dogs we won things, quite a lot of Cups and Leagues.

All Spurs can point to is a couple of years out of the last quarter of a century being slightly higher in the league table.

Enjoy your moment in the sun.

You seem to have forgotten the Ricky Villa goal. And how easily you have forgotten Chas and Dave.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Don't think anyone is doubting whether GW has a use, as it clearly does. But I don't care whether he's a nice guy, if he acts like a twat on here he'll get treated like one :good:

This place doesn't even need that many mods. He can easily stand down and you + Maccy take the reigns moving forward.

Maccy and I can’t even remember our passwords.

You clearly don’t like him, but at least argue the fucking toss. At least that can be entertaining. Just coming out with the Frank Grimesesq schtick and name calling is a bit dull.

[Master Splinter]

So Letters has his own Frank Grimes.

Another thing he has in common with Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

Maccy and I can’t even remember our passwords.

You clearly don’t like him, but at least argue the fucking toss. At least that can be entertaining. Just coming out with the Frank Grimesesq schtick and name calling is a bit dull.

I PM'd them to you.

You're welcome.

[Master Splinter]

You seem to have forgotten the Ricky Villa goal. And how easily you have forgotten Chas and Dave.

We must not forget also season 2 of Putting On The Pressure.

Will there be a season 3?

We do not comment on speculation.

[Letters]

So Letters has his own Frank Grimes.

Another thing he has in common with Wenger.

I'm quite tempted to change his name to "Grimey" and give him a Frank Grimes Avatar. :lol:

[Letters]

Anyways, it seems Spurs are a better team or at least a better managed team than us. But when all was said and done, when we were top dogs we won things, quite a lot of Cups and Leagues.

All Spurs can point to is a couple of years out of the last quarter of a century being slightly higher in the league table.

Enjoy your moment in the sun.

Better manager, I don't think they have a better squad. And yeah, for all our troubles we've won a few FA Cups of late while they're about to retain their "Wow, we finished above Arsenal" trophy and have little else to show for their moment. They had a genuine chance to win the title a couple of years ago and they balled that up, another chance is unlikely to present itself.
'61, Never Again.
I just hope they finish potless again and Kane's head is turned by one of the big guns in Europe. Once the one man team has lost their one man they won't be all that.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm quite tempted to change his name to "Grimey" and give him a Frank Grimes Avatar. :lol:

Fascist :thumbsdown:

[Xhaka Can’t]

They’ll still be good because they have a good manager. But they’ll never be good enough.

[HCZ]

I don’t think their full backs are especially great. Trippier and Davies. I don’t even rate Monreal but I prefer him and Bellerin to them

I don’t think Sanchez is that marvellous a defender either

Eriksen is like Ozil they are either brilliant or they are anonymous

[Globalgunner]

Don't think anyone is doubting whether GW has a use, as it clearly does. But I don't care whether he's a nice guy, if he acts like a twat on here he'll get treated like one :good:

This place doesn't even need that many mods. He can easily stand down and you + Maccy take the reigns moving forward.

Give Letters a break. These are very trying times for him. Can you imagine what would happen to him if Wenger gets sacked at the end of this season.? I hope we have an intervention task force on standby.

[Cripps]

Better manager, I don't think they have a better squad. And yeah, for all our troubles we've won a few FA Cups of late while they're about to retain their "Wow, we finished above Arsenal" trophy and have little else to show for their moment. They had a genuine chance to win the title a couple of years ago and they balled that up, another chance is unlikely to present itself.
'61, Never Again.
I just hope they finish potless again and Kane's head is turned by one of the big guns in Europe. Once the one man team has lost their one man they won't be all that.

:faint:

[Cripps]

Don't worry guys, Geoff says it's alright cause Wenger still cares :lol:

[Özim]

In previous years Lacazette would have scored, Arsenal fans would have gone home happy and everything would have been great, even though we were outplayed, should have been about 3 or 4 nil down and a point wouldn't have been good enough, unfortunately for him after years his lady luck no longer seems to be coming to his rescue, we finally seem to be getting the results we deserve for our performances.

I was hopeful that with the personnel we had now, we'd use logic and revert back to counter attacking, it would suit Lacazette, Aubameyang and Ozil perfectly and we'd probably noot only be exciting to watch but would be very effective, then I remembered Wenger was in charge and that it will never happen.

[Cripps]

5 points off worse than last year after 27 games :lol:

No decline :lol:

[Power n Glory]

5 points off worse than last year after 27 games :lol:

No decline :lol:

Knee jerk reaction. Wait until the end of the season to judge.

[HCZ]

The interesting stat I wasn’t aware of is that apparently this is our longest run without a clean sheet in the league in sixteen years

In fact that particular run went on for 11 games, although not really same circumstance as even though we weren’t keeping clean sheets we were getting points. 6 wins 4 draws 1 defeat (conceding 15 goals in those 11 games compared to the 16 in 9 we have conceded and scoring 21 to our 20 which points to a more even distribution in goals scored and conceded)

And at the end of that run we won 13 league games in a row and won the title

[HCZ]

In comparison to the 05/06 season which was without doubt the worst we have ever been away from home under Wenger, we are still a point better off that we were then after 14 games

Though our goal difference was marginally better. Negative 5 rather than Negative 7 :haha:

[Cripps]

The interesting stat I wasn’t aware of is that apparently this is our longest run without a clean sheet in the league in sixteen years

In fact that particular run went on for 11 games, although not really same circumstance as even though we weren’t keeping clean sheets we were getting points. 6 wins 4 draws 1 defeat (conceding 15 goals in those 11 games compared to the 16 in 9 we have conceded and scoring 21 to our 20 which points to a more even distribution in goals scored and conceded)

And at the end of that run we won 13 league games in a row and won the title

Cech's been waiting for his 200th clean sheet for about 9 games now :lol:

I've also heard he's let in 25% of his career goals at Arsenal :lol:

[Özim]

Forward line was non existent yesterday as well, I know some point as Ozil but the same criticism can be levelled at Mkhitaryan from his Man U days, fine when it's all going well but in adversity is nowhere to be seen.

It's early days in his career of course, but this was an issue at Man U, was great against a poor Everton side, but today when it really mattered didn't do anything.

Ozil and Mkhitaryan might summer from the same issue and with no defence it's a major problem for us. Risky strategy signing a player the team need to carry when it gets tough, as much as I love Ozil the same argument can be levelled at him.

As for the season, no CL this season so no excuses about poor performances after those games, most teams when they drop out and aren't in the CL perform better when the following season without that distraction, we've got worse, quite an achievement.

[Özim]

No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

Is that really the reason or is it because Wenger is no longer flavour of the day and the team are now dropping down because he's neglected his job and performed poorly?

I mentioned it before but I find it ironic, because when Wenger was considered gods gift to football to Arsenal fans, those who questioned him were pretty much in the situation you are in now, but if anything it was worth as people use to pick on your posts and gang up, never bothered me personally, I and many other stuck around and continued to stick to their guns, we didn't decide now that people don't agree with us anymore we'll move on.

[Power n Glory]

Forward line was non existent yesterday as well, I know some point as Ozil but the same criticism can be levelled at Mkhitaryan from his Man U days, fine when it's all going well but in adversity is nowhere to be seen.

It's early days in his career of course, but this was an issue at Man U, was great against a poor Everton side, but today when it really mattered didn't do anything.

Ozil and Mkhitaryan might summer from the same issue and with no defence it's a major problem for us. Risky strategy signing a player the team need to carry when it gets tough, as much as I love Ozil the same argument can be levelled at him.

As for the season, no CL this season so no excuses about poor performances after those games, most teams when they drop out and aren't in the CL perform better when the following season without that distraction, we've got worse, quite an achievement.

Wenger switching Mkhitaryan from the right to the left for this game maybe a factor. Also, Ramsey wasn't playing so even he was playing on the right would anyone be in the box when he crossed?

Too early to judge if he's going to be a flop but both Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang were pretty shite. They all were shit. But it's clear that we can't depend on signings to change things around for this club.

[Niall_Quinn]

Forward line was non existent yesterday as well, I know some point as Ozil but the same criticism can be levelled at Mkhitaryan from his Man U days, fine when it's all going well but in adversity is nowhere to be seen.

It's early days in his career of course, but this was an issue at Man U, was great against a poor Everton side, but today when it really mattered didn't do anything.

Ozil and Mkhitaryan might summer from the same issue and with no defence it's a major problem for us. Risky strategy signing a player the team need to carry when it gets tough, as much as I love Ozil the same argument can be levelled at him.

As for the season, no CL this season so no excuses about poor performances after those games, most teams when they drop out and aren't in the CL perform better when the following season without that distraction, we've got worse, quite an achievement.

I'm not blaming the strikers or Ozil or Mkhitaryan, I'm not blaming any of the players any more because it doesn't matter what players we put out, we see the same result over and over and over again. When our opponents allow Wenger to play his pitter-patter bullshit bore ball our technical players make the old goat look good. But when the opponents aren't accommodating, all the eye of the needle, 200 passes to get to goal shit doesn't stand a chance of success and Wenger is entirely clueless as to how to change things, so he never does.

His two tricks which pass as Plan B are to bring defenders on to replace forwards when we are leading (thus breaking up our play and putting the pressure on us because we can't defend to save our lives), or lobbing on every attacker he has an hoping for the best when we need to grab a goal back. A monkey could come up with similar childish plans, why do we need to pay somebody 10 million quid to do what a 5 year old who plays FIFA could do?

He's the only manager I can think of who could fail to get a performance out of a striker like Lacazette and then repeat the astonishing act by getting nothing form Aubameyang. He's got TWO Ozil's now, and can't get anything from either.

And he thought we were dominating and should have had the game won in the first half, btw. That's how delusional he is. So he can't even see there's a problem. That's the worst part. That's why he'll happily roll Xhaka and Elneny out again and expect some sort of result from that insanity.

It's sounds like the worst kind of bullshit when an armchair fan starts telling a 1,000 game manager how things should be done, and in most cases it's just that - bullshit. But in Wenger's case it's perfectly legitimate. Obviously the guy has had some sort of mental issue but has somehow managed to hang on to his job for a decade without having the forst clue what's going on. His reputation has carried him through the farce - like Peter Sellars in Being There, ever see that film? Where everyone up to the president is fooled into thinking a retarded gardener is a guru?

Well Wenger has been mistaken by almost everyone as a competent football manager. All the evidence says otherwise, but that myth surrounding him has prevented anyone from speaking the truth.

He's so out of his depth it would be comical, if we weren't the fans on the receiving end. It must be fucking hilarious for fans of other clubs to watch. An old dinosaur mumbling away - don't pass it to the fast guy, pass it short into congested space, and if they press, pass it to the man under most pressure, and keep doing that for the whole match! Pure genius. He must be a guru. Surely? Because the alternative would be horrifying.

And is.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger switching Mkhitaryan from the right to the left for this game maybe a factor. Also, Ramsey wasn't playing so even he was playing on the right would anyone be in the box when he crossed?

Too early to judge if he's going to be a flop but both Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang were pretty shite. They all were shit. But it's clear that we can't depend on signings to change things around for this club.

Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang have already shown enough of what's possible with them. Aubameyang's pace is a gift that no other manager would pass up. And Mkhitaryan's ability on the ball when under pressure would have to be a big bonus for any sane coach.

But Wenger has quickly found a way to integrate them into his fucked up spastic non-system. He said as much when they signed, he said they were the types of player who could play the Arsenal way. Poor bastards.

This is a manager who can't muster a shot on target from a squad containing Aubameyang, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Lacazette, Wilshere. This is a manager who signs Kolasinac, sees him play well and then benches him. This is a pratt who takes a 50 mill striker and systematically shatters his confidence, then has the fucking nerve to blame him for not securing a draw that would be daylight robbery.

What a hateful shit this bloke Wenger is. Selfish cunt. Dragging everything down to his pathetic, cowardly, selfish vision of what he thinks football should be. One long bore from start to finish, and the never changing march of mediocrity.

It WAS a joke he's still here. Now I don't know what it is. Some sort of punishment, or torture, or karmic retribution for something we collectively did in the past.

[Niall_Quinn]

The last time Wenger made a dent in a top 6 side away was 17 games ago against Manchester City. In our last 26 away games, we’ve only taken 26 points! Quite appalling really.


You can shuffle the furniture. You can buy new furniture. You can sell the old furniture to make the new furniture look nice. None of it matters. If the furniture is on the Titanic, and the ship has hit an Wenger shaped iceberg, everything is going to spoil regardless.


Arsenal are deck shuffling. We have great data folk, but a manager not really interested in what it has to say. We have capable coaches, but there’s only one man empowered to make decisions. We have access to the best thinkers in the game, but one man runs the show and he is the most immovable bottleneck in world football. Arsenal FC is the greatest indulgence bestowed upon single paid employee in history. We are Arsene FC.

https://le-grove.co.uk/2018/02/11/wengers-decline-wounds-look-gangrenous-will-arsenal-terminate-him/

[Cripps]

It was a one off game. Stop overreacting.

[Özim]

I wasn't blaming Mkitaryan for the loss by any means, it was just an observation based on what's happened on his career, all very good delivering when you're playing an avergae team, much harded when you're playing a top side who won't give you time on the ball and have quality all over the pitch.

We were overrun yesterday, partly that due to players not working hard enough, obviously the lack of quality in defence and in CM was another issue, but for me Mkhitaryan doesn't need to adapt, he's been playing in this league for a while now and should realise how big a game it was, the fact he didn't really do anything was disappointing as well.

Don't get me wrong, the defeat was 100% down to Wenger for me, but I'm jst wondering if it was wise to have two players like Ozil and Mkhitaryan in the same team when playing a top side.

For me Lacazette in the 10 mins he was on showed plenty of good movement, I know he missed a good chance but he looked sharped and once he gets a goal and gets a run his confidence will return, he definitely helps our play IMO and I'd play him in the 1st 11 with Aubameyang.

The whole team were pretty anonymous to be honest, we know it's Wenger but the fact noone could stand up and be counted either (including Wilshere that everyone wants as captain) was disappointing, Wenger is Wenger and is a major problem, but in the old days we had players who would turn up despite Wenger, it seems these days we don't really.

[Cripps]

Spurs have won 6 of the last 9 Derby games against Arsenal, with 2 draws and only one win for the Gunners.

Be careful what you wish for :lol:

[Özim]

Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang have already shown enough of what's possible with them. Aubameyang's pace is a gift that no other manager would pass up. And Mkhitaryan's ability on the ball when under pressure would have to be a big bonus for any sane coach.

But Wenger has quickly found a way to integrate them into his fucked up spastic non-system. He said as much when they signed, he said they were the types of player who could play the Arsenal way. Poor bastards.

This is a manager who can't muster a shot on target from a squad containing Aubameyang, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Lacazette, Wilshere. This is a manager who signs Kolasinac, sees him play well and then benches him. This is a pratt who takes a 50 mill striker and systematically shatters his confidence, then has the fucking nerve to blame him for not securing a draw that would be daylight robbery.

What a hateful shit this bloke Wenger is. Selfish cunt. Dragging everything down to his pathetic, cowardly, selfish vision of what he thinks football should be. One long bore from start to finish, and the never changing march of mediocrity.

It WAS a joke he's still here. Now I don't know what it is. Some sort of punishment, or torture, or karmic retribution for something we collectively did in the past.

1 game isn't enough to be honest, Aubameyang is a forward and will need service so obviously without that he won't do a lot on the whole, however it's down to the midfield to create and work, we know Ozil won't, is Mkhitaryan another player who won't?

People can say what they like about Lacazette, but he does work hard and does try to make things happen which is more difficult as a striker. The way Spurs overpowered us was embarrassing, but clearly they're far superior to us, they're a proper team with quality in the right areas.

We could do worse than the try and sign Alderweireld (isn't his contract almost up) as he's quality.

[Niall_Quinn]

It was a one off game. Stop overreacting.

True. it's how we bounce back in the next game that matters. Or the game after that if the bounce is a bit delayed.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wasn't blaming Mkitaryan for the loss by any means, it was just an observation based on what's happened on his career, all very good delivering when you're playing an avergae team, much harded when you're playing a top side who won't give you time on the ball and have quality all over the pitch.

We were overrun yesterday, partly that due to players not working hard enough, obviously the lack of quality in defence and in CM was another issue, but for me Mkhitaryan doesn't need to adapt, he's been playing in this league for a while now and should realise how big a game it was, the fact he didn't really do anything was disappointing as well.

Don't get me wrong, the defeat was 100% down to Wenger for me, but I'm jst wondering if it was wise to have two players like Ozil and Mkhitaryan in the same team when playing a top side.

For me Lacazette in the 10 mins he was on showed plenty of good movement, I know he missed a good chance but he looked sharped and once he gets a goal and gets a run his confidence will return, he definitely helps our play IMO and I'd play him in the 1st 11 with Aubameyang.

The whole team were pretty anonymous to be honest, we know it's Wenger but the fact noone could stand up and be counted either (including Wilshere that everyone wants as captain) was disappointing, Wenger is Wenger and is a major problem, but in the old days we had players who would turn up despite Wenger, it seems these days we don't really.

There's no way those players weren't aware of what a London derby means to the fans. There's no way they didn't work, the stats will bear all that out I'm sure. And that's where Wenger will get his solace from, oh look, we ran as far as them, made as many passes as them. First thing he said yesterday, possession was 50/50 as if some great achievement had been secured or somehow this meaningless statistic indicated parity between the clubs. But he's delusional of course.

The players collapse in games like this because the opposition manager knows precisely how to shut down our pitter-patter game. A little bit of pressing, don't give us time, don't give space at the back, and bypass the static midfield with a quick pass. It's so simple. Wenger sets up the same way for every opponent. He may change the players, may move them around a bit or even fuck around with a back three or a back four. But the principle is always the same. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass... slow it down, retain possession, don't lose the ball, play it safe. And walk it into the net if the opportunity arises. Don't waste possession with snap shots or long shots or speculative balls forward - you can see he looks pissed when we do that, even though we end up giving it away anyway on the 368th pitter-pat pass in front of the defence or the bollocks cross that always hits the first defender.

This is why we can't win and can't even put in a performance against teams that are set up to shut us down. And when those teams also have effective players we get a hiding. If the managers were swapped yesterday then Arsenal would have thrashed the spuds. Thrashed them.

[HCZ]

I feel the reason we lost yesterday was the same reason Lacazette missed those two chances at the end

Poor mentality

I don’t necessarily buy into this idea that we should have gone for the jugular with our team selection. I did state that I wished Lacazette and Aubemeyang to start before the game but you think of all the times we have gone for it away from home and been picked off on the counter, it rather nullifies the idea that if we can’t defend we might as well attack especially especially as we lack the midfield presence to impose ourselves on the game and in reality we haven’t really had it that convincingly since Vieira left.

The first half wasn’t terrible, I think playing Ozil on the wings didn’t work and certainly didn’t offer us defensive solidity as Bellerin had to deal with Davies and Son by himself (and actually he did it quite well). Mhkytarians final balls were a let down but we kept our shape well and did look dangerous on the counter attack even if the execution was off

Although with that I do take on board that we didn’t press them at all on the ball, not our attacking players, not Xhaka and not Elneny.

The goal went in after half time, and it was just pandemonium. Why?. Why did we panic so much and lose our heads and our shape. Partly because the players have absolutely no confidence, partly because there’s no gameplan mid game. There’s no “if we go 1-0 down we will keep our heads but do x, y and z differently”.

That’s the real negative judgement on Wenger.

Is Kane really miles better than Aubemeyang, Eriksen better than Ozil, Son better than Mhkytarian. Eric Dier and Dembele on their day are better than Elneny and Xhaka but Dier is also just as much of a fuck up.

Don’t get me wrong we do need far better midfielders, but that wasn’t why we lost yesterday.

One man is the reason we lost and the same man is the reason we lost 14 of 26 away games

[Globalgunner]

Wenger is a scared old man, afraid of the future and haunted by his past. His past, as it will be revealed what a clusterfuck he was in reality, how he lucked upon a golden age of players and milked its genesis as his own making, players who could have accomplished so much more if he wasnt such a charlatan.

He fears the future because he is afraid what will happen if he leaves after being unsuccessful for so long and if someone else takes over and the clubs fortunes immediately improve. What will be said about him? What will he do?. So he grimly hangs on in a prison of his own making, shackling the aspirations of hundreds of millions of fans along with him. Even to make a change , a little change, allow someone else to coach, to suggest a new strategy, will be to lose what he cherises most...power and adulation.

His will be remembered as a bloodless coup, the most successful and complete in sports history with the complicit cooperation of the dunces on the board during the final years of PHW`s reign.

[HCZ]

Wenger is a scared old man, afraid of the future and haunted by his past. His past, as it will be revealed what a clusterfuck he was in reality, how he lucked upon a golden age of players and milked its genesis as his own making, players who could have accomplished so much more if he wasnt such a charlatan.

He fears the future because he is afraid what will happen if he leaves after being unsuccessful for so long and if someone else takes over and the clubs fortunes immediately improve. What will be said about him? What will he do?. So he grimly hangs on in a prison of his own making, shackling the aspirations of hundreds of millions of fans along with him. Even to make a change , a little change, allow someone else to coach, to suggest a new strategy, will be to lose what he cherises most...power and adulation.

His will be remembered as a bloodless coup, the most successful and complete in sports history with the complicit cooperation of the dunces on the board during the final years of PHW`s reign.

Come on let’s stop with this trying to rewrite history just because Wenger should have gone years ago

You don’t win three premier league titles by dumb luck, just as in the same way you don’t lose 14 games from 26 on the road just as a result of bad luck.

It’s daft to suggest he was never a very good manager.

Van Gaal in his day was a better manager than Wenger but at Man United he was terrible, every dog has his day.

[Globalgunner]

A good manager would be able to replicate what brought him success. Realise what it was and build on it. Why has he not won a league since the demise of the invincibles?. He may be a good manager but definitely not a great one. Great managers win great things and do it consistently. He was lucky with his squad of 1996-2004. History proves it.

[HCZ]

A good manager would be able to replicate what brought him success. Realise what it was and build on it. Why has he not won a league since the demise of the invincibles?. He may be a good manager but definitely not a great one. Great managers win great things and do it consistently. He was lucky with his squad of 1996-2004. History proves it.

Lucky with a squad mainly of his own building who he turned into better players

Read Adams’ autobiography. He said there was no way he’d have lasted another six years in top flight football without Wenger

The season after the invincibles, Chelsea came in and set a record for premier league points

No Wenger isn’t at the level of Mourinho at his best. Nor will he go down as one of the greatest managers of all time.

But to say it was just luck is disingenuous. Yes we’d done well under Graham but Graham became stale and we were nowhere by the time Wenger took over as manager, certainly not champions in waiting.

His sell by date ran out years ago and instead of recognising this the club gave him unparalleled control over the club.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I'm not blaming the strikers or Ozil or Mkhitaryan, I'm not blaming any of the players any more because it doesn't matter what players we put out, we see the same result over and over and over again. When our opponents allow Wenger to play his pitter-patter bullshit bore ball our technical players make the old goat look good. But when the opponents aren't accommodating, all the eye of the needle, 200 passes to get to goal shit doesn't stand a chance of success and Wenger is entirely clueless as to how to change things, so he never does.

His two tricks which pass as Plan B are to bring defenders on to replace forwards when we are leading (thus breaking up our play and putting the pressure on us because we can't defend to save our lives), or lobbing on every attacker he has an hoping for the best when we need to grab a goal back. A monkey could come up with similar childish plans, why do we need to pay somebody 10 million quid to do what a 5 year old who plays FIFA could do?

He's the only manager I can think of who could fail to get a performance out of a striker like Lacazette and then repeat the astonishing act by getting nothing form Aubameyang. He's got TWO Ozil's now, and can't get anything from either.

And he thought we were dominating and should have had the game won in the first half, btw. That's how delusional he is. So he can't even see there's a problem. That's the worst part. That's why he'll happily roll Xhaka and Elneny out again and expect some sort of result from that insanity.

It's sounds like the worst kind of bullshit when an armchair fan starts telling a 1,000 game manager how things should be done, and in most cases it's just that - bullshit. But in Wenger's case it's perfectly legitimate. Obviously the guy has had some sort of mental issue but has somehow managed to hang on to his job for a decade without having the forst clue what's going on. His reputation has carried him through the farce - like Peter Sellars in Being There, ever see that film? Where everyone up to the president is fooled into thinking a retarded gardener is a guru?

Well Wenger has been mistaken by almost everyone as a competent football manager. All the evidence says otherwise, but that myth surrounding him has prevented anyone from speaking the truth.

He's so out of his depth it would be comical, if we weren't the fans on the receiving end. It must be fucking hilarious for fans of other clubs to watch. An old dinosaur mumbling away - don't pass it to the fast guy, pass it short into congested space, and if they press, pass it to the man under most pressure, and keep doing that for the whole match! Pure genius. He must be a guru. Surely? Because the alternative would be horrifying.

And is.

Entertaining thread, at least far more captivating than the shite I had to watch yesterday.

Anyway, I think NQs post pretty easily sums up our problems.... it's not the players (though Granite has to be the most overrated piece of crap to ever put on the shirt) and IMHO has never been.

Despite what I witnessed yesterday, I'd still take our squad over theirs.

Despite all the rubbish the press is saying I'd still take our £100 million strike force over good ol Harry.

And yes comparing Ozil to any spurs player is ridiculous to me and any footballing opinion I'd respect.

However the point remains that even if our Pied Piper, added Messi and Ronaldo to this squad which he has carefully moulded in his image, I do not believe we would win anything of significance..... and I have been certain of this for quite sometime now.

So yeah though we should call out players for their performances (and I can't stress that name Xhaka enough), it would be silly and hypocritical of any true Arsenal Fan not to call out the individual who has:

1. Not been able to construct a proper defence since the last of GG's men retired more than a decade ago.

2. Failed to sort out our DM issue since his lucky gamble Song payed off.

3. Failed to bring any keeper at his peak to this club while all of our rivals have had multiple goal keeping legends.

4. A coach who spits at the term "balance" and could sign and play a team composed of only CMs if his dream of emulating Barca tippy tappy could finally come true.

5. A coach who always snubbed his nose at experienced players, spending money and any trophy but the CL; who has now done a full 360 with his grand old £300 million squad looking forward to Thursday night football and the Mickey Mouse cup as their salvation!!!

I could go on and on but it's getting painful realising how far we've fallen and how long it has been going on for!

So in summary, nothing will change till the era of Wenger is over... blaming the players for days like yesterday is a cop out... we honestly need to insist our future starts now and we end this tragic saga this season.

P.S. Who knows, if we'd slayed our mythical monster earlier, we might have still had Alexis with us..... doesn't it hurt to always hear our stars say they left us because they needed to win things of significance (Henry, Fabregas, Sanchez etc) ??? Do we really want history to repeat itself again???

[Niall_Quinn]

Come on let’s stop with this trying to rewrite history just because Wenger should have gone years ago

You don’t win three premier league titles by dumb luck, just as in the same way you don’t lose 14 games from 26 on the road just as a result of bad luck.

It’s daft to suggest he was never a very good manager.

Van Gaal in his day was a better manager than Wenger but at Man United he was terrible, every dog has his day.

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

[HCZ]

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

You could make that point about literally anyone or anything

Every manager who has success is someone of their time. The ones that stand alone are the ones that adapt and actually in that sense this is why someone like Mourinho is not as good as Ferguson.

[Özim]

Lucky with a squad mainly of his own building who he turned into better players

Read Adams’ autobiography. He said there was no way he’d have lasted another six years in top flight football without Wenger

The season after the invincibles, Chelsea came in and set a record for premier league points

No Wenger isn’t at the level of Mourinho at his best. Nor will he go down as one of the greatest managers of all time.

But to say it was just luck is disingenuous. Yes we’d done well under Graham but Graham became stale and we were nowhere by the time Wenger took over as manager, certainly not champions in waiting.

His sell by date ran out years ago and instead of recognising this the club gave him unparalleled control over the club.

Wengers success was based on a number of things including things he certainly inherited:

1) A great defensive unit, and top top keeper, with real leadership qualities, players who had a massive desire to win (had won stuff) and would do anything for the cause, their workrate was also phenomenal
2) Bergkamps brilliance

No doubt he added to that with Vieira/Petit in particular, but this was largely driven by his knowledge of the French market, something that in those days nobody else knew much about as scouting wasn't s developed.

The above very much was inherited by the subsequent team as well, they learnt from the likes of Adams/Bould/Keown, learnt to be winners, learnt to work as a team, learnt to be leaders on the pitch, now yes he did make some top signings like Henry and Campbell (the latter in particular was known to be an amazing player and fitted in well with Wengers policy of not spending a lot), Henry again was a top talent but yes Wenger did develop him, Pires was one of trhe best talents in France, we signed him as he chose us over Real which proves how good he was.

I don't buy the building his own team from scratch to be honest, whilst it's true if you look at it in basic terms, many of those players benefited from those that came before them as well, we saw what happened when he got too hasty and got rid of all the experienced top quality players who had the winning mentality, his teams repeatedly failed to hit the same heights.

I'll say his signings were better in those days though, at least some, at least he went in for top talent, this may be because it was cheaper in relative terms and this sat better with him, but those players also came because the counter attacking football we played was very easy on the eye, which he did introduce however he then turned his back on it and since then we've won little and he's refused to go back to it.

My take (and you won't like this) is that yes he did some very good things and extended certain players careers with his knowledge of diet, training techniques etc (ironically in latter years his players had more injuries than anyone) and brought in some very good players, but his success also came due to the players he inherited, had he had to rebuild the whole team and not had the likes of Adams etc, none of those successes would have taken place IMO, for two several reasons

a) He doesn't value leadership on the pitch
b) Is incapable of building a decent defence as his methodoly has always been based on attacking
c) Wouldn't have signed the right blend of players with the correct mentality, the only reason our latter teams won was due to what some of them learnt from Adams and co.

You might argue this isn't correct, but as mentioned earlier, if this wasn't the case he'd have repeated some of this success in some shape or form in the 13 years after that ast major success.

Top managers don't just become average overnight, they repeat their successes, history shows this. Very overated manager IMO.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger can't even be considered a top manager. All the top managers have had success in Europe. Even with possibly the best team this country has ever seen, Wenger could never crack Europe. You can't be considered a top manager with his laughable European record.

[Özim]

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

Completely agree with this, as you say right place, right time, not so much about him being a great manager, as I've always said he's been a very lucky manager, although that finally seems to have run out.

If these successes hadn't been simply down to some advantage over the competition and luck he would have repeated some of it by now, he hasn't.

[Power n Glory]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

[Niall_Quinn]

You could make that point about literally anyone or anything

Every manager who has success is someone of their time. The ones that stand alone are the ones that adapt and actually in that sense this is why someone like Mourinho is not as good as Ferguson.

How so? How many managers are there that have so little ability to organise a team or devise effective tactics? And if there are any, how long have they lasted?

[Özim]

Wenger can't even be considered a top manager. All the top managers have had success in Europe. Even with possibly the best team this country has ever seen, Wenger could never crack Europe. You can't be considered a top manager with his laughable European record.

Agreed, his European record is a shocker, the team we had in those days should have won the CL, the fact they didn't is 100% down to him and his inability to give players that real belief they can do it. Never forget the year Chelsea knocked us out, that was our year and for me one of the worst defeats (in terms of how I felt) to take.

[Özim]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

Cech has been asbolute rubbish all season, his kicking is awful, his penalty saving is terrible, he's made countless errors this season as well, was suppose to save us 15 points, instead he's probably lost us 15.

Chelsea reject to be honest, after his head injury was never the same player and Chelsea found someone better and then got rid, hope we replace him with someone decent in the summer.

[HCZ]

How so? How many managers are there that have so little ability to organise a team or devise effective tactics? And if there are any, how long have they lasted?

I’m talking about people who have had success being in the right place at the right time

[Özim]

IMO this team could use a few more workmanlike players, players like Parlour, Adams, Keown etc, not necessarily players that aren't talented, but players who will roll their sleeves up and work their socks off, bit too many flair players and not enough grit and determination.

[Niall_Quinn]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

Very unlike Cech and a big coincidence (perhaps) that he's saying what Wenger was saying yesterday?

I'm not sure what Lacazette has done, but if you want to kill a player the club has made all the right moves. Heaping the blame on him for yesterday's hammering can only do more of the same. He's a 50 mill misfit now and will probably be on his way by the end of the season. More evidence of Wenger's man management skills.

[Niall_Quinn]

Agreed, his European record is a shocker, the team we had in those days should have won the CL, the fact they didn't is 100% down to him and his inability to give players that real belief they can do it. Never forget the year Chelsea knocked us out, that was our year and for me one of the worst defeats (in terms of how I felt) to take.

Wenger sent the team into that game moaning how the fixture schedule had fucked us and how tired everyone was. Lo and behold, we ran out of steam in the second half and the chavs took an entirely undeserved victory. That was one of the first big cracks to open up. There was writing on the wall by that stage but very few people wanted to see it (myself included I admit).

[HCZ]

Pretty much all the George Graham back four have agreed that Wengers coaching gave them more years in the game than they would have had otherwise.

What’s lacking now is in game management and someone whose managerial style isn’t ten-twenty years out of date.

Wenger prices himself on treating his players like men but unfortunately whilst that will work with some players the majority of football players now are overgrown kids with no sense of personal responsibility, they crave the discipline and being told what to do and without it they are lost.

Wenger can’t do that, and that’s why he’s practically useless now.

[Özim]

Wenger sent the team into that game moaning how the fixture schedule had fucked us and how tired everyone was. Lo and behold, we ran out of steam in the second half and the chavs took an entirely undeserved victory. That was one of the first big cracks to open up. There was writing on the wall by that stage but very few people wanted to see it (myself included I admit).

Not only does he fail to motivate players, he demotivates them with his constant complaints about how we're hard done by. In those days at least we had real leaders on the pitch that would devliver despite his efforts to sabotage things on the whole, but with his aversion to leaders on the pitch now days there's no hope.

[Özim]

Pretty much all the George Graham back four have agreed that Wengers coaching gave them more years in the game than they would have had otherwise..

Noone is denying that, but he also benefit massively from these players, he had leaders, he inherited them and they passed on that winning at all cost mentality to subsequent teams, he's publicly stated he doesn't believe that captains are important, he doesn't value leadership so would have never signed players like them, consequently he would have never won the trophies he did.

As NQ said, right place, right time, had he gone to Spurs or Liverpool for example he wouldn't have achieved this success as they never had that solid foundation to start with.

I'd question his management ability, it's plain to see this isn't of a very high level, far too many flaws to be.

[HCZ]

Wenger sent the team into that game moaning how the fixture schedule had fucked us and how tired everyone was. Lo and behold, we ran out of steam in the second half and the chavs took an entirely undeserved victory. That was one of the first big cracks to open up. There was writing on the wall by that stage but very few people wanted to see it (myself included I admit).

Wenger had failings even back then? Who knew

I know there are pro Wenger people who tried to make out he was infallible but it really wasn’t ever the case

Because Wenger is completely stale his failings are far more immediate. It wasn’t that you were somehow missing something back then, it’s that a manager free of flaws doesn’t exist. I agree he’s not one of the all time greats because he hasn’t won in Europe or won back to back titles but he was up against better managers and teams with more money even then.

I don’t see the need to forensically analyse the past, what he achieved back in the day was both excellent and impressive. But those days are long gone and he’s been riding on the corpse of that past success for too long.

[Power n Glory]

Very unlike Cech and a big coincidence (perhaps) that he's saying what Wenger was saying yesterday?

I'm not sure what Lacazette has done, but if you want to kill a player the club has made all the right moves. Heaping the blame on him for yesterday's hammering can only do more of the same. He's a 50 mill misfit now and will probably be on his way by the end of the season. More evidence of Wenger's man management skills.

Cuntish behaviour is a learned habit. Of course he picked it up from Wenger.

[Özim]

Cuntish behaviour is a learned habit. Of course he picked it up from Wenger.

He's the one that came out and said the players had to raise their performances if they are going to qualify for the CL, then in the next game he made a shocking error and had a shocking match that cost us the 3 points, he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut, he doesn't lead by example.

[HCZ]

Noone is denying that, but he also benefit massively from these players, he had leaders, he inherited them and they passed on that winning at all cost mentality to subsequent teams, he's publicly stated he doesn't believe that captains are important, he doesn't value leadership so would have never signed players like them, consequently he would have never won the trophies he did.

As NQ said, right place, right time, had he gone to Spurs or Liverpool for example he wouldn't have achieved this success as they never had that solid foundation to start with.

I'd question his management ability, it's plain to see this isn't of a very high level, far too many flaws to be.

I’d turn that around and say how many managers would have come to Arsenal built the team in the way he did and enjoyed the success he did between say 1996 and 2004.

Not a great manager tactically but the fact remained is he took players that weren’t making it at other clubs and improved them, and in the process broke all kinds of records.

[Power n Glory]

He's the one that came out and said the players had to raise their performances if they are going to qualify for the CL, then in the next game he made a shocking error and had a shocking match that cost us the 3 points, he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut, he doesn't lead by example.

He has no business pointing the finger at missed chances when we can't keep a clean sheet! If he wants to talk about performances, he should talk about his own and the defenders.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger had failings even back then? Who knew

I know there are pro Wenger people who tried to make out he was infallible but it really wasn’t ever the case

Because Wenger is completely stale his failings are far more immediate. It wasn’t that you were somehow missing something back then, it’s that a manager free of flaws doesn’t exist. I agree he’s not one of the all time greats because he hasn’t won in Europe or won back to back titles but he was up against better managers and teams with more money even then.

I don’t see the need to forensically analyse the past, what he achieved back in the day was both excellent and impressive. But those days are long gone and he’s been riding on the corpse of that past success for too long.

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

[Özim]

I’d turn that around and say how many managers would have come to Arsenal built the team in the way he did and enjoyed the success he did between say 1996 and 2004.

Not a great manager tactically but the fact remained is he took players that weren’t making it at other clubs and improved them, and in the process broke all kinds of records.

Fair point, my point was mainly about his management ability, which IMO isn't that great, yes he achieved great success and we played amazing football, but as NQ alluded to it's circumstances, that's not to say he doesn't deserve credit as he achieved what he did, but for me it just shows we shouldn't have kept him on and given him a free ride for anywhere near as long as he has had it and he certainly shouldn't have been rated as highly as he was, it's taken over a decade to change that sentiment for a lot of people.

Lack of ambition from the club IMO, most other top clubs would have chopped him and got someone else in to move us forward and try and win us the CL, the CL was the holy grail for Ferguson and eventually he won it by sheer desire and making the right changes, Wenger has never done that, he was content with what he had.

[Özim]

He has no business pointing the finger at missed chances when we can't keep a clean sheet! If he wants to talk about performances, he should talk about his own and the defenders.

Totally agree, what we've seen over the years is players talking a good game and then completely bottling it, more of the same here, but I don't like the way he points the finger when his performances have been so abject and he's cost us far more points than Lacazette.

[HCZ]

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

End of the day you have a board that more or less knew nothing about football, a manager who wasn’t asking for much apart from a nice salary which in the great schemes of the clubs expenditure isn’t asking for a lot and said manager was able to deliver on modest expectations ie keep the club in the champions league whilst it remained self sufficient whilst paying off the stadium

The problem with that was, that was the goal in of itself and the can kept getting kicked down the line after it was rightly asked. Well what now

And that lack of forward planning means a manager who is totally out of date was kept on and that procrastinating and not taking the right decision when it was needed is really showing.

Even the decision to award Wenger his new contract was complacency, well we won’t have to think about this for another year or so and he will probably get us back into the top four anyway.

So in that sense what he achieved in terms of titles doesn’t really have that much bearing on why he’s kept in the job. As for fans still backing him, they are constantly polling satisfaction rates with managers and Wenger is consistently the lowest in the top six. The ones who argue blacks white about keeping him are people who just won’t ever admit they are wrong and will never change their minds about something

[Power n Glory]

We analyse the past to try to get some handle on the inexplicable present. Even with his prior record, how can he still be a manager at a big club like Arsenal? It's so perplexing. Which brings us to another aspect of this man. His rank dishonesty. He's been at the heart of fleecing the fans and has strived to give the absolute bare minimum back. That's the primary reason I hate the bloke now. Yes, he's been shown up s a fraud in terms of his competency, but far worse, he's been shown up to be a self serving liar. He never loved the club, because the fans are part of the club. Something he tolerates with a sneer while lifting their wallets.

That's what I've come to realise over the years. It all started with the debates we had over ownership. We were somehow convinced that this club was doing it the right way with this self sustaining model not realising that it's us fans forking the bill whilst Wenger and his cronies rake in the pay rises and bonuses. It would have been easier to swallow if we weren't constantly losing out favourite players and at challenging for titles. We'd be able to see where the money is being spent, but instead we get fed bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse.

This con job wouldn't work without Wenger. He's been ambiguous with his comments about money and spending for a reason. It enables the snake to sliver out of any situation.

[Chippy]

No. This is why I don't post in this section much. People like you just reply to what you think I've posted, not what I've actually posted.
I quite clearly said that it would have been an undeserved equaliser.
BUT...a professional footballer should be able to finish better than that.

Undeserved equaliser ! You would have called me a Spud years ago for saying that!
Most of you did actually :p:p

[Niall_Quinn]

Undeserved equaliser ! You would have called me a Spud years ago for saying that!
Most of you did actually :p:p

Spud.

[Niall_Quinn]

Truth is, we got taken out behind the woodpile and given a right hillbilly seeing to. And we didn't even call the police. This club is dead under Wenger.

[Goonermerree]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

I can't believe they are both blaming Laca! He has been subbed every match, even when there wasn't another striker on the bench. He probably felt pressurised into scoring before he was subbed, so ruined his game a bit. Then he comes on with 10 mins or so to go in a NLD when we are one nil down and is expected to get up to speed. He probably felt the pressure to prove himself after the two new guys came in as well. I never wanted Cech, if your rival - at the time - doesn't want him, you should get somebody better!

[Marc Overmars]

Cech is sadly looking like the old man he is now.

I thought he’d been alright up until now, no keeper is perfect but when consistent mistakes happen it’s really worrying.

Bet he can’t believe the difference in protection he received at Chelsea compared to what he gets here though.

[Letters]

To be fair, Cech is the only reason it wasn't a real humiliation on Saturday.

[selassie]

To be fair, Cech is the only reason it wasn't a real humiliation on Saturday.

Yeah to be fair he is still a decent shot stopper but he needs replacing this summer no question, he has had a really poor season and is in decline.

I am hoping with these new guys on board they will take the decision out of Wenger's hands and just go and seek a top quality keeper this summer to replace him, because quite frankly if we left it down to Wenger, Cech would still be in goal way into his 40's irrespective of his form!!!

[Letters]

He does need replacing but someone mentioned above the protection our 'keepers get from the defence, or lack thereof.
I think that is more about coaching than player ability personally.

[Goonermerree]

To be fair, Cech is the only reason it wasn't a real humiliation on Saturday.

He was yesterday, but he has cost us points in the past with his howlers.

[HCZ]

He does need replacing but someone mentioned above the protection our 'keepers get from the defence, or lack thereof.
I think that is more about coaching than player ability personally.

He’s 36 and making a lot of individual errors

He can’t be blamed for the goal on Saturday. But against Swansea and Bournemouth Wow

[selassie]

He does need replacing but someone mentioned above the protection our 'keepers get from the defence, or lack thereof.
I think that is more about coaching than player ability personally.

Oh I agree and I am in no way absolving the defence of any blame. The root cause of the issue is quite clearly coaching or the lack of it with the defensive side of our game. But Arsene knows! His methodology is "We don't coach defence at Arsenal, because we are superior on the ball and the opponent can't get the ball off us"...errr except we are not superior on the ball at all, Spurs are better on the ball than us now, it's sad.

Despite the above, Cech has no right to mess around with the ball at his feet week after week if he has issues kicking it or even concentrating on what he is doing, he's messed up countless times now by trying to be clever with the ball at his feet and he only just got away with it on Saturday.

[Goonermerree]

To be fair, Cech is the only reason it wasn't a real humiliation on Saturday.

He was yesterday, but he has cost us points with his howlers in the past.

[Letters]

I'm not arguing he doesn't need replacing.

[Özim]

We need to start thinking about signing players we can build a team around, signing players in their late 20s and 30s isn't really condusive to that. if we do sign a keeper we should look at one in his mid 20s, likewise a CB and DM.

[Goonermerree]

We need to start thinking about signing players we can build a team around, signing players in their late 20s and 30s isn't really condusive to that. if we do sign a keeper we should look at one in his mid 20s, likewise a CB and DM.

We seem to be buying older players now, time was when we wouldn't give a player more than one year's contract when he reached 30. You have to have a mix of young talent and experienced players!

[Letters]

Project Youth 2 :bow:

[HCZ]

I wish we would play our youth players more

If we are not going to bother trying to win away from home anyway, there’s no risk with playing Reiss Nelson and AMN more

Wish on top of that could play Jeff and Zelalem too

[Letters]

:lol: I'm sure we're trying to win away from home, we're just not succeeding.

[Özim]

We seem to be buying older players now, time was when we wouldn't give a player more than one year's contract when he reached 30. You have to have a mix of young talent and experienced players!

Yes that seems to be the case, we've got enough of them now though, Cech, Koscielny, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Monreal, Aubameyang, all players in their late 20s/early 30s, we're actually not that young a team, I just think players in their mids 20s make more sense now.

[HCZ]

:lol: I'm sure we're trying to win away from home, we're just not succeeding.

You say that, but Saturday we were set up to get a point and as soon as we went 1-0 down. The players thought, well that hasn’t worked....

[Niall_Quinn]

You say that, but Saturday we were set up to get a point and as soon as we went 1-0 down. The players thought, well that hasn’t worked....

Very unfair.

In the last 5 minutes they thought, I wonder what would happen if we kicked the ball towards their goal?

[Goonermerree]

Very unfair.

In the last 5 minutes they thought, I wonder what would happen if we kicked the ball towards their goal?

How frustrating is it though when your losing the match with a couple of minutes on the clock and they start passing the ball out from Cech and you're screaming at the telly, get it up the pitch and in the box? At least when Mustafi got the ball in the middle he hoofed it up and to the edge of their box.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wenger thinks Lacazette's confidence has been affected by Aubameyang coming in.

What an absolute twat :sulk:

[Marc Overmars]

You say that, but Saturday we were set up to get a point and as soon as we went 1-0 down. The players thought, well that hasn’t worked....

This negative approach is why we haven't done anything of note against a rival away from home in 3 years. Well, except that time we beat Chelsea 0-0.

We park the bus more than Mourinho.

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger thinks Lacazette's confidence has been affected by Aubameyang coming in.

What an absolute twat :sulk:

If hauling him off every game didn't destroy his confidence, signing another big money striker almost certainly will.

Though confidence or not, he should have buried the chance he had at the end. Really poor.

[Power n Glory]

Yes that seems to be the case, we've got enough of them now though, Cech, Koscielny, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Monreal, Aubameyang, all players in their late 20s/early 30s, we're actually not that young a team, I just think players in their mids 20s make more sense now.

Young team, old team…makes no difference. With the experience we have, we should have a team capable of thinking for themselves and getting the basics right.

Shit, if the Chelsea players can motivate themselves to win the Champs League and FA Cup whilst Roberto Di Matteo is coach, these fuckers should be able to get themselves organised for a London Derby. It really is pitiful stuff. Weak senior players with no backbone and a piss poor senile manager.

[Özim]

Young team, old team…makes no difference. With the experience we have, we should have a team capable of thinking for themselves and getting the basics right.

Shit, if the Chelsea players can motivate themselves to win the Champs League and FA Cup whilst Roberto Di Matteo is coach, these fuckers should be able to get themselves organised for a London Derby. It really is pitiful stuff. Weak senior players with no backbone and a piss poor senile manager.

The poor mentality has existed since Vieira was sold, it started creeping in then, hasn't changed in the 13 years since, comes down the manager again, doesn't sign the rght players or instil belief in those he does sign.

He's happy with players coasting along not turning up when they feel like it, most of the time there's no repercussions, they can pick up their paycheck and get picked every game, easy life, almost as easy as Wengers role.

[HCZ]

This negative approach is why we haven't done anything of note against a rival away from home in 3 years. Well, except that time we beat Chelsea 0-0.

We park the bus more than Mourinho.

We used to go for it but then we got stuffed 6-3, 5-1 and 6-0

[Marc Overmars]

We used to go for it but then we got stuffed 6-3, 5-1 and 6-0

Goes to show no approach will work anymore under this shite manager.

[HCZ]

Aye we need a wop ideally

[Bumble]

xhaka is rubbish.

[Letters]

Very unfair.

In the last 5 minutes they thought, I wonder what would happen if we kicked the ball towards their goal?

Then they realised it didn't matter anyway as all that would happen is Lacazette would miss anyway.
Lacazette :sulk:
Wenger :bow:


:run:

[Bumble]

our away league games
Brighton
Leicester
Newcastle
Man U
Huddersfield
anyone confident about winning any of them?

might as well focus on the Europa league... and that can be Wengers parting gift to us.

[HCZ]

our away league games
Brighton
Leicester
Newcastle
Man U
Huddersfield
anyone confident about winning any of them?

might as well focus on the Europa league... and that can be Wengers parting gift to us.

We lost to Cologne despite playing more or less the same team we’d played throughout the group stage

Not especially confident of winning away from home whoever we are drawn with

Ostersunds away? If we can’t get a result at West Brom, Notts Forest or Bournemouth why should we be confident of playing ten degrees below freezing and not getting beat?

They are unbeaten at home in Europe

[Letters]

our away league games
Brighton
Leicester
Newcastle
Man U
Huddersfield
anyone confident about winning any of them?
Given our away form I wouldn't say confident, but all things being equal we should be winning most of those, bar Utd.

[Goonermerree]

This negative approach is why we haven't done anything of note against a rival away from home in 3 years. Well, except that time we beat Chelsea 0-0.

We park the bus more than Mourinho.

Was that the time when we thought we'd done great, even though they were there for the taking, then everyone else and his dog took points of them at the Bridge?

[Xhaka Can’t]

We softened them up for everyone else.


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[selassie]

xhaka is rubbish.

That's the sad part, the players we have bought in their early to mid 20's seem to be absolute garbage.

Xhaka and Mustafi's stock is really low right now...we would struggle to get a good fee for either of them and certainly wouldn't get back what we paid for them. Kolasinac seems to be going the same way, Elneny the same too, though he came here out of the bargain basement anyway so any fee would be a plus.

That's 3 or arguably 4 players right there that Wenger has either ruined or not progressed.

[Letters]

Was that the time when we thought we'd done great, even though they were there for the taking, then everyone else and his dog took points of them at the Bridge?

Not...really. Since we played them they lost the next home game to City. Then they won the next 7 in a row. Only side of note was Utd:

L City
W Watford
W Man Utd
W Swansea
W Newcastle
W Southampton
W Brighton
W Stoke
D Leicester
L Bournemouth

They've wobbled in the last 2 home games and their home record is not that of champions but generally it's not true to say that they've been dropping points left, right and centre at home.

[Özim]

Chelsea have been average this season, they might have won a few games but they've looked a shadow of the side they were last season. They've been very beatable, thought they were awful against us in the Caraboa, toothless and short of ideas, even before that although they won games they weren't playing great.

Other than City everyone else has been hit and miss or average. Liverpool and Spurs are the next best sides, but they have been inconsistent, but quality wise they're the next best, then Man U and then Chelsea who are the weakest of those sides IMO.

Liverpool and Spurs may well be City's challengers next season and possibly Man U if Mourinho gets things right over the summer.

[HCZ]

Chelsea have been average this season, they might have won a few games but they've looked a shadow of the side they were last season. They've been very beatable, thought they were awful against us in the Caraboa, toothless and short of ideas, even before that although they won games they weren't playing great.

Other than City everyone else has been hit and miss or average. Liverpool and Spurs are the next best sides, but they have been inconsistent, but quality wise they're the next best, then Man U and then Chelsea who are the weakest of those sides IMO.

Liverpool and Spurs may well be City's challengers next season and possibly Man U if Mourinho gets things right over the summer.

I wouldn’t disagree

I think Liverpool are the most entertaining team, but are beatable. Spurs have done well in Europe albeit against Real Madrid and Dortmund who have had very dysfunctional seasons.

In fairness though City have dropped ten points all season, that’s ridiculous. No one was getting near them this season.

Chelsea are destined to be inconsistent whilst they maintain their policy of sacking managers at the drop of a hat. No conte hasn’t done well this season, but for me you don’t sack a manager who won the title the previous season unless he’s going to get you relegated.

I’m not sure why they got themselves into the situation they did with Diego Costa

[Cripps]

Not...really. Since we played them they lost the next home game to City. Then they won the next 7 in a row. Only side of note was Utd:

L City
W Watford
W Man Utd
W Swansea
W Newcastle
W Southampton
W Brighton
W Stoke
D Leicester
L Bournemouth

They've wobbled in the last 2 home games and their home record is not that of champions but generally it's not true to say that they've been dropping points left, right and centre at home.

:faint:

[Özim]

I wouldn’t disagree

I think Liverpool are the most entertaining team, but are beatable. Spurs have done well in Europe albeit against Real Madrid and Dortmund who have had very dysfunctional seasons.

In fairness though City have dropped ten points all season, that’s ridiculous. No one was getting near them this season.

Chelsea are destined to be inconsistent whilst they maintain their policy of sacking managers at the drop of a hat. No conte hasn’t done well this season, but for me you don’t sack a manager who won the title the previous season unless he’s going to get you relegated.

I’m not sure why they got themselves into the situation they did with Diego Costa

I'd agree with that, Liverpools attack is phenomenal and they're great to watch, if they can somehow sort out their defence and keeper they'll be quite a team. Spurs are good all round, not a good in attack as Liverpool but they have Kane who scores for fun and a couple others that work hard and scores goals, defensively they're pretty good, the most well rounded of the challengers.

Yes City have been phenomenal, but again their attack is phenomenal, Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Jesus and Sterling who's pace they are making the most of, they also very good defensively which helps.

Conte messed up with Costa, he was basically their star striker, their go to guy for goals, they sold him and replaced him with a guy who has been massively ovehyped since the day he came on the scene, Matic was a big loss too, Bakayoko may well turn out decent but he's not settle yet. I don't know what to make of Conte, I know they won the title but I remember us playing them and beating them 3-0 and was surprised at how easy we found it, again in the up final we managed to get one over them, then he falls out with his goalscorer (big mistake), something about Conte isn't quite right for me.

It might be he didn't pick the players that were brought in, but he seemed happy enough with Morata who is awful IMO, the bigger issue for me is how average Chelsea look though, how he's turned title winners into such an average side is beyond me.

[selassie]

our away league games
Brighton
Leicester
Newcastle
Man U
Huddersfield
anyone confident about winning any of them?

might as well focus on the Europa league... and that can be Wengers parting gift to us.

Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win any of them. Leicester and Man U are definite losses IMO, Newcastle, Brighton and Huddersfield are 50/50.

[selassie]

I'd agree with that, Liverpools attack is phenomenal and they're great to watch, if they can somehow sort out their defence and keeper they'll be quite a team. Spurs are good all round, not a good in attack as Liverpool but they have Kane who scores for fun and a couple others that work hard and scores goals, defensively they're pretty good, the most well rounded of the challengers.

Yes City have been phenomenal, but again their attack is phenomenal, Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Jesus and Sterling who's pace they are making the most of, they also very good defensively which helps.

Conte messed up with Costa, he was basically their star striker, their go to guy for goals, they sold him and replaced him with a guy who has been massively ovehyped since the day he came on the scene, Matic was a big loss too, Bakayoko may well turn out decent but he's not settle yet. I don't know what to make of Conte, I know they won the title but I remember us playing them and beating them 3-0 and was surprised at how easy we found it, again in the up final we managed to get one over them, then he falls out with his goalscorer (big mistake), something about Conte isn't quite right for me.

It might be he didn't pick the players that were brought in, but he seemed happy enough with Morata who is awful IMO, the bigger issue for me is how average Chelsea look though, how he's turned title winners into such an average side is beyond me.

I agree with this, I actually think Chelsea are as bad as us, I honestly don't rate them. If they lose Hazard this summer they are in deep sh*t IMO.

Their recruitment is pretty questionable too, Drinkwater and Barkley?!!! Even some of their foreign buys have been questionable, I mean Morata they massively overpaid for, Bakayoko may come good...that Italian guy they have as backup wingback is just OK....they have spent millions on garbage IMO.

[HCZ]

Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win any of them. Leicester and Man U are definite losses IMO, Newcastle, Brighton and Huddersfield are 50/50.

It’s actually hard to know. It really depends on the other teams rather than us. Huddersfield you’d imagine will either be safe or relegated when we play them on the last day of the season so I think that’s a win.

Have we ever lost to Leicester in the premier league?

[HCZ]

Just looked it up

Yes once - 2-1 defeat at Filbert Street in 1994

My predictions for the rest of the season

Home

City - D
Watford - W
Stoke - W
West Ham - W
Southampton - W
Burnley - W

Away

Brighton - W
Leicester - D
Newcastle - W
United - L
Huddersfield - W

[Xhaka Can’t]

There’s no reason other than mathematical why we shouldn’t pick up 32 points from those fixtures.

[Cripps]

Mindless optimism :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Finally watched the highlights of this shitshow on MOTD. Didn't see it at the time, but it's fucking Xhaka AGAIN that lets the guy he's supposed to be covering just waltz past him. What a liability he is and what the hell is Wenger thinking constantly starting him when he's been making the same mistakes all season long?

Cech is getting some stick these days, but without him we'd have come out of that with a good hiding, maybe 4 or 5 goals.

The Lacazette chances were good ones but hardly on a plate as some hysterical fans are claiming. It would have been funny to rob a point, but it also would have been a travesty in terms of how the match went. Our first effort on their goal was from Jack deep into the second half. Totally unacceptable and entirely down to the, now standard, cowardice of Wenger.

15 Games ago in 2015 was the last time we beat one of the current top 5 away from home. How can any manager of a supposed top club survive that? 7 points off 5th place, 8 off the top 4 and you might as well call it 9 when you look at the goal difference. We're done. We'll need the spuds and the chavs to both collapse to stand any chance of stealing a top 4 spot, and even if that happened you just know we'd fuck it up anyway.

We're really starting the experience the pain of a decline that was inevitable and so easily predictable under this has-been of a manager. Can you even blame him for hanging on like a bad stench? That bastard Kroenke made the decision and no wonder he's silent, because how can he possibly justify it?

[Maestro]

Is it too late to react?

Sod it let me just enjoy watching this American girl land a triple axle in the figure skating. A lot more exciting than Arsenal right now.

[Power n Glory]

Finally watched the highlights of this shitshow on MOTD. Didn't see it at the time, but it's fucking Xhaka AGAIN that lets the guy he's supposed to be covering just waltz past him. What a liability he is and what the hell is Wenger thinking constantly starting him when he's been making the same mistakes all season long?

Cech is getting some stick these days, but without him we'd have come out of that with a good hiding, maybe 4 or 5 goals.

The Lacazette chances were good ones but hardly on a plate as some hysterical fans are claiming. It would have been funny to rob a point, but it also would have been a travesty in terms of how the match went. Our first effort on their goal was from Jack deep into the second half. Totally unacceptable and entirely down to the, now standard, cowardice of Wenger.

15 Games ago in 2015 was the last time we beat one of the current top 5 away from home. How can any manager of a supposed top club survive that? 7 points off 5th place, 8 off the top 4 and you might as well call it 9 when you look at the goal difference. We're done. We'll need the spuds and the chavs to both collapse to stand any chance of stealing a top 4 spot, and even if that happened you just know we'd fuck it up anyway.

We're really starting the experience the pain of a decline that was inevitable and so easily predictable under this has-been of a manager. Can you even blame him for hanging on like a bad stench? That bastard Kroenke made the decision and no wonder he's silent, because how can he possibly justify it?

Yep, the goal happened when Ozil was pressing and missed his tackle but Xhaka should been pressing with Ozil. If this were Liverpool or City you'd see two or three players pressing and covering areas. That's what really pissed me off about Xhaka and Elneny. They stood off the opposition and left them with all the space in the world. Xhaka should have been closing him down. Absolute chaos. What were the instructions? Why was Ozil pressing in that situation and coming infield to leave the flank exposed?

[AFC Leveller]

Our away form is terrible and there is no way we will finish anywhere near the top 4 this season because of it. Last season we finished with 75 points, a point of Liverpool in 4th with 76. We have 45 points and would need to win 10 out of the 11 games left to match last season's tally. Virtually impossible.

[Goonermerree]

Our away form is terrible and there is no way we will finish anywhere near the top 4 this season because of it. Last season we finished with 75 points, a point of Liverpool in 4th with 76. We have 45 points and would need to win 10 out of the 11 games left to match last season's tally. Virtually impossible.
That is very depressing.

[Mac76]

Just looked it up

Yes once - 2-1 defeat at Filbert Street in 1994

My predictions for the rest of the season

Home

City - D
Watford - W
Stoke - W
West Ham - W
Southampton - W
Burnley - W

Away

Brighton - W
Leicester - D
Newcastle - W
United - L
Huddersfield - W

with our away form i'm not sure 3 wins out of 5 is realistic - remember Brighton, Newcastle and Huddersfield will be desperate for the points - they will all see us as a possible result and throw a lot into it

[Marc Overmars]

Our away form is terrible and there is no way we will finish anywhere near the top 4 this season because of it. Last season we finished with 75 points, a point of Liverpool in 4th with 76. We have 45 points and would need to win 10 out of the 11 games left to match last season's tally. Virtually impossible.

We will finish 6th, that is as good as done unless Chelsea, Liverpool or Spurs collapse which isn’t likely. I couldn’t care less about the league anymore.

The Europa League is the only thing we need to be focusing on.

[HCZ]

with our away form i'm not sure 3 wins out of 5 is realistic - remember Brighton, Newcastle and Huddersfield will be desperate for the points - they will all see us as a possible result and throw a lot into it

Again I could be guilty of trying to transpose what happened in 05/06 with what happened now

But had only won three games by this stage then and then beat Fulham, Sunderland and Man City

[selassie]

Just looked it up

Yes once - 2-1 defeat at Filbert Street in 1994

My predictions for the rest of the season

Home

City - D
Watford - W
Stoke - W
West Ham - W
Southampton - W
Burnley - W

Away

Brighton - W
Leicester - D
Newcastle - W
United - L
Huddersfield - W

Bloody hell that's optimistic! I agree on the home games though the City game could potentially be a loss.

The away games, nah....we are abysmal away from home this season, I think we'd be lucky to win more than 2 of those games out of the remaining 5.

[selassie]

We will finish 6th, that is as good as done unless Chelsea, Liverpool or Spurs collapse which isn’t likely. I couldn’t care less about the league anymore.

The Europa League is the only thing we need to be focusing on.

Aye, we aren't going to finish above 2 of those 3 teams, it's pretty much impossible IMO.

Europa League is the last throw of the dice and that will be extremely difficult to win IMO, it's as much as a challenge as finishing top 4 due to the quality of teams in it this year.

[HCZ]

Bloody hell that's optimistic! I agree on the home games though the City game could potentially be a loss.

The away games, nah....we are abysmal away from home this season, I think we'd be lucky to win more than 2 of those games out of the remaining 5.

It’s more knowing Arsenal, i think when the pressure is off this team they will perform. I think with two of these games we will be out of the Europa league by then, we will probably make it past Ostersunds but probably go out in the next round.

Plus we haven’t won less than six games away from home since 2000/2001 season

I could of course be wrong, but that’s why it’s a prediction.

Brighton are quite an open team, Newcastle we’ve won our last four league matches there and Huddersfield will as I say either be relegated or safe I think.

[Letters]

Our away form is terrible and there is no way we will finish anywhere near the top 4 this season because of it. Last season we finished with 75 points, a point of Liverpool in 4th with 76. We have 45 points and would need to win 10 out of the 11 games left to match last season's tally. Virtually impossible.

The difference between our home form and away form is pretty baffling.
Home we are 3rd in the table behind City (obvs) but we're only behind Utd on goal difference, we've been good enough at home for a title challenge (if you ignore City but they're doing crazy things this year).
Away from home though...13 points in 14 games :lol: :doh:
It's 9th best and it all adds up to us being rock bottom of the "top 6".

[HCZ]

I don’t think it’s that surprising. When you score away from home it’s far more likely to come from counter attacking movements. Our problem is that the creative and attacking players are not getting the ball released to them quickly enough by the likes of Xhaka and Ramsey and then the home side has players back to defend by that time.

We are far more likely to be pressed on the ball by the home side, which again with players like Xhaka and Ramsey leads to giving away possession in silly areas.

It’s more Xhaka than Ramsey in fairness, but actually I think you can attribute most of our dropped points to him. This awful 26 match run began when he started playing in the side more consistently.

Of our 14 defeats in 26, Xhaka played in 13 of them. Now I’m not going to say he was the difference between winning and losing because that’s overly simplistic. But when you’ve got a player on the pitch who is not protecting the defence and not really doing much with the ball going forward it doesn’t help

But it’s definitely a problem in midfield, it’s not to say defence is without its problems but when the midfield is not creating enough for attacking players and is leaving the defence exposed, it’s the reason we have scored 15 goals (which even then is an outlier as a third of those goals were scored in one game) and conceded 22 away from home

Case in point, we had a better defence in 05/06 but still lost 9 on the road because it was our first season without Vieira and we lost that link between defence and attack, and failed to score in 9 out of 19 games.