Wenger's future, possible extension and possible... departure?

[rodders]

Seemed very upbeat on Sky Sports , as if all his troubles are over.

[Özim]

1 poxy win against a has been team and everything is rosy, only at Arsenal. Unbelievable.

The guy is so smug it's sickening.

[Özim]

Boo hoo, man earning 10m a year can't sleep because people think he's doing a shit job.

Sod off and retire then you dinosaur.

Poor guy, life is tough for him, getting paid millions to do a rubbish job, poor dear.

[Niall_Quinn]

Seemed very upbeat on Sky Sports , as if all his troubles are over.

I honestly don't believe he thinks he has any troubles. He absolutely dismisses all criticism. He won't even entertain the notion that people are entitled to question him. We've heard him many times - people can talk if they want, but have they done this, that, the other, have they turned down big job offers. He thinks that buys him immunity. And he obviously doesn't question himself or set himself any standards, otherwise he'd have left years ago.

He's a well practised amiable and entirely unlikable individual.

[Cripps]

He's smug because he knows Kroenke loves him and won't sack him :shrug:

[Cripps]

The Sun claim Max Allegri is keen on the #Arsenal job if Arsene Wenger leaves in the summer. https://t.co/kLYTDd0HaJ

:pray: :pray: :pray:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

A must pass up on this opportunity.

[Cripps]

#Arsenal eye Massimiliano Allegri to replace Arsene Wenger after Spurs display - EXCLUSIVE | @DavidWoodsStar
https://t.co/3iP59Opur0

Ivan:bow: :bow: :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Is that how we're doing it? Watching the results on TV? Oooh - he's good. Let's get him!

This suggests there is no contingency plan in place should the inevitability of Wenger absolutely fucking it from top to bottom and then fucking it some more happens. Let's hope Fat Sam doesn't get a good result next week or we could end up with his bloated bulk plastered all over our radar.

I don't know what it is, but my gut tells me the Daily Star is not credible.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I thought the same.

What a sham article :lol:

I would much prefer Low anyway

[Cripps]

Raul Sanllehi: "When Ivan explained the ideas he has got for the club & the people he wants to bring in, it was impossible to turn it down" #Arsenal https://t.co/eWtuGN7nHS

Ivan :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Are they really going to try the Bayern Munich ploy again? So soon?

:doh:

[Cripps]

Charlie Nicholas says that he thinks Wenger will announce he's stepping down on Friday/the weekend :blink:

[HCZ]

Charlie Nicholas says that he thinks Wenger will announce he's stepping down on Friday/the weekend :blink:

Based on what?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Charlie Nicholas says that he thinks Wenger will announce he's stepping down on Friday/the weekend :blink:

Yeah there's no way Charlie Nicholas gets the story before Ornstein.

Heck even Cross & Jeremy Wilson have better contacts at the club.

[Goonermerree]

He won't go if we're still in the Ropey League.

[HCZ]

Yeah there's no way Charlie Nicholas gets the story before Ornstein.

Heck even Cross & Jeremy Wilson have better contacts at the club.

The genius is he hasn’t cited a source, he just said he has a “feeling”

Remarkably specific for a feeling

I have a feeling that I might sneeze at my desk at 10:43am tomorrow

[Niall_Quinn]

Based on what?

A whole morning and half the afternoon slugging it down.

Hic!

[Marc Overmars]

Charlie Nicholas says that he thinks Wenger will announce he's stepping down on Friday/the weekend :blink:

As much as I want that to be true, it’s definitely BS.

Would be nice to put an end to the resentment though if there was an announcement.

[KSE Comedy Club]

The genius is he hasn’t cited a source, he just said he has a “feeling”

Remarkably specific for a feeling

I have a feeling that I might sneeze at my desk at 10:43am tomorrow
No offence, but I will wait for confirmation from Ornstein

[KSE Comedy Club]

It would be an odd time to announce it, but I would love it to be true.

At least we could all enjoy the last few months of the season

[HCZ]

No offence, but I will wait for confirmation from Ornstein

I took annual leave in the end

[Cripps]

Interesting stuff from Ashley Cole on @btsport now. “Ancelotti was my kind of manager. He said, ‘You don’t need much coaching. Just go out and play.’ “

No thanks.

[Niall_Quinn]

Interesting stuff from Ashley Cole on @btsport now. “Ancelotti was my kind of manager. He said, ‘You don’t need much coaching. Just go out and play.’ “

No thanks.

He was giving him advice on cruising gay bars.

[GP]

Wenger can turn this around.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGiQOCX9UbM

[AFC Leveller]

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[Niall_Quinn]

The leeches must be laughing their arses off. It's like a pathetic, whipped dog. Kicked from pillar to post and it still crawls back with a hopeful wag of the tail.

[Globalgunner]

Funny that this kind of banner will be allowed through but the ones simply saying "Times up" or "Thanks for the memories, but it's time to go " are deemed disruptive. Pure Stalinism at work.

[Goonermerree]

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One has to earn respect.

[KSE Comedy Club]

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What a retarded crock of shit.

[Letters]

One has to earn respect.

He did that years ago.
I know some people have lost respect for him. Even I have a bit.
I do thing some of the excesses of abuse are...well, excessive though.
We literally won the FA Cup last year, the 3rd in 4 years. Even this year, by far his worst season I'd say, we'll almost certainly finish 6th, we've got to a Cup Final and we're probably going to be in the quarter finals of the Europa League. We're hardly on the brink of relegation.
He's failed to challenge for the biggest prizes, with our resources that isn't good enough.
How many clubs would you actually have swapped places with over the last few years?

[KSE Comedy Club]

I would rather be challenging for and winning the PL every season than measuring success on a few good cup runs.

[Letters]

I would rather be challenging for and winning the PL every season than measuring success on a few good cup runs.

So would I. But how many clubs would you say over the last 4 years have had better results? Not many.
I'd say the level of abuse is out of proportion with the actual situation.

[KSE Comedy Club]

So would I. But how many clubs would you say over the last 4 years have had better results? Not many.
I'd say the level of abuse is out of proportion with the actual situation.

Most other clubs have changed managers or sacked them when they have been shit in the last 4 years, and I'n not bothered about other clubs, I'm only bothered about Arsenal

[Niall_Quinn]

He did that years ago.
I know some people have lost respect for him. Even I have a bit.
I do thing some of the excesses of abuse are...well, excessive though.
We literally won the FA Cup last year, the 3rd in 4 years. Even this year, by far his worst season I'd say, we'll almost certainly finish 6th, we've got to a Cup Final and we're probably going to be in the quarter finals of the Europa League. We're hardly on the brink of relegation.
He's failed to challenge for the biggest prizes, with our resources that isn't good enough.
How many clubs would you actually have swapped places with over the last few years?

He certainly has nothing but contempt for you and every other fan. He's demonstrated that beyond any question. You can judge him by his weasel words or his actions, which thunder at 10 times the volume. Selfish cunt of a bloke. No respect for him whatsoever and why on earth would I?

[Letters]

Stop dodging the question. We have no divine right to be champions every year, with City, Chelsea and Utd all able to outspend us it's never going to be like back in the day where we'll be top 2 every season.
How many clubs do you actually think have had a better few years? I'd say not many. So is Wenger doing THAT bad a job?
He is in that we've not been challenging and we do have the resources to do that, but I think the level of abuse is out of proportion to the actual situation.

[Niall_Quinn]

So would I. But how many clubs would you say over the last 4 years have had better results? Not many.
I'd say the level of abuse is out of proportion with the actual situation.

Those cups cover all sins, don't they?

No title challenge, no European challenge, shit boring football, our rivals handing out routine beatings, routine humiliations, the laughing stock of the league, lies, lies and more lies, outrageous rip-off prices...

And this cup here. The one our rivals put our weakened teams for, because they are busy pursuing the big trophies that their fans demand.

Yeah. Wenger's done an amazing job. Nobody else could have conned such a large section of the fan base. Amazing.

Respect.

[Letters]

Those cups cover all sins, don't they?
No.

Why do you consistently argue against a position you know I don't take?

[Niall_Quinn]

Stop dodging the question. We have no divine right to be champions every year, with City, Chelsea and Utd all able to outspend us it's never going to be like back in the day where we'll be top 2 every season.
How many clubs do you actually think have had a better few years? I'd say not many. So is Wenger doing THAT bad a job?
He is in that we've not been challenging and we do have the resources to do that, but I think the level of abuse is out of proportion to the actual situation.

What question?

You mean that grovelling apology for the bloke?

The number of clubs that have been better than us over the years are ALL OUR MAIN RIVALS. That's all.

Yes, he's doing an appalling job. Abject. He hasn't got within a sniff of any serious prize in over a decade and the quality of our football is in the shitter. What sort of a job would you call it? Not bad?

Arsenal Football Club - we have a not bad manager. Wow.

[Niall_Quinn]

...and Leicester City. Forgot about them.

[Niall_Quinn]

No.

Why do you consistently argue against a position you know I don't take?

Why do you pitch up every single time to temper all criticism of the bloke?

[Letters]

Why do you pitch up every single time to temper all criticism of the bloke?

QED :lol:

[Globalgunner]

Letters:
When he can no longer compare us to the good teams. He says we are at least better than the truly crap teams.

Be careful what you wish for: Moyes/Pardew/Hughes/Allardyce: They are all out there waiting to take over when Wenger leaves

[Niall_Quinn]

QED :lol:

Every time.

"I want him gone but..."

The money.

The cups.

The gypos.

The chavs.

The stadium.

The economy.

The players.

The fans.

At a time when more money than ever, more fans than ever, are pouring into the game. It's easier than it has ever been, as Leicester demonstrated and as pretty ordinary chav and gypos teams have shown in the past, and a spectacularly ordinary Utd showed last time out.

Easier than ever.

So easy that the current gypos are walking it with a team that would have been crushed by champions of the past.

But excuses, excuses, endless excuses.

And a cup that has graced the mantlepiece at powerhouses like Wigan and Wimbledon.

The cup. Look at the cup!

[Goonermerree]

He did that years ago.
I know some people have lost respect for him. Even I have a bit.
I do thing some of the excesses of abuse are...well, excessive though.
We literally won the FA Cup last year, the 3rd in 4 years. Even this year, by far his worst season I'd say, we'll almost certainly finish 6th, we've got to a Cup Final and we're probably going to be in the quarter finals of the Europa League. We're hardly on the brink of relegation.
He's failed to challenge for the biggest prizes, with our resources that isn't good enough.
How many clubs would you actually have swapped places with over the last few years?

I used to respect Wenger - a lot. I bought into the stadium cost and not getting the good players until about 2012 when I realised we were never going to come that good again. Granted, other clubs now have more money to spend, I don’t expect us to win everything, I just want honest players playing for the club and the fans that pay them.

I’ve lost respect for all of the excuses that now come out of his mouth. He used to say that we were fatigued because of all our matches, I think that in itself made the payers tired and gave them an excuse. This season we have only being playing once a week at times, with our first team squad not playing FA cup (1) and EL matches, yet he still uses the playing Thursday then Sunday as an excuse. The bit that really riles me was when we didn’t have a match for over a week and Pool played on the Monday before our game with them, think it was Pool, and he said they were sharper than us because they played on Monday. He wants it all ways just to get excuses, I can’t respect that.

[Globalgunner]

A simple question for Letters:
would you be happy for Arsenal`s next 10 years to mirror the last 10 years?.
If yes, then obviously you are soft in the head
if no, then WTF are you constantly going on about?

[Letters]

Letters:
When he can no longer compare us to the good teams. He says we are at least better than the truly crap teams.

Be careful what you wish for: Moyes/Pardew/Hughes/Allardyce: They are all out there waiting to take over when Wenger leaves

Last 4 seasons

Chelsea
Premier League 2 League Cup 1

Man City
Premier League 1 League Cup 2

Man Utd:
Europa 1 FA Cup 1 League Cup 1

Leicester
Premier League 1

Arsenal
FA Cup 3

Spurs
Nothing

Liverpool
Nothing

[Marc Overmars]

Erm, you’re forgetting the Putting The Pressure On Cup that Spurs won back to back.

[Letters]

Erm, you’re forgetting the Putting The Pressure On Cup that Spurs won back to back.

Fine. And the Norwich Hospital Charity Cup (shared) ( :lol: )
My point being, I think the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth is a little out of proportion to the situation.
5 clubs have won trophies in the last 4 years, we are one of them.
Where we have failed is to push for the biggest prizes and given our resources that is not acceptable, at any other club with our resources Wenger would have been sacked.
But we won't be sweeping all before us when Wenger leaves, City, Chelsea and Utd simply have too many resources too.
We will at least have some hope of challenging them, right now with Wenger I don't feel we do.

I think the extent of our problems is over-stated. A new manager who can get them going, a couple of key signings and we'd be up there next season IMO.

[Letters]

A simple question for Letters:
would you be happy for Arsenal`s next 10 years to mirror the last 10 years?.
If yes, then obviously you are soft in the head
if no, then WTF are you constantly going on about?

That isn't a fair comparison because we didn't have the resources we do now for all of the last 10 years.
The answer is obviously not, I wouldn't be happy with that.
I'm not "constantly" going on about anything, I just think the lamenting on here about how terrible things are is a little out of proportion to the reality.
Fun fact: It's perfectly possible to think that and also think that Wenger should be sacked.
As I've said elsewhere, if he wins the Europa and then leaves I think overall it will have been a decent season, I don't think either will happen though...

[dostoy]

Fine. And the Norwich Hospital Charity Cup (shared) ( :lol: )
My point being, I think the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth is a little out of proportion to the situation.
5 clubs have won trophies in the last 4 years, we are one of them.
Where we have failed is to push for the biggest prizes and given our resources that is not acceptable, at any other club with our resources Wenger would have been sacked.
But we won't be sweeping all before us when Wenger leaves, City, Chelsea and Utd simply have too many resources too.
We will at least have some hope of challenging them, right now with Wenger I don't feel we do.

I think the extent of our problems is over-stated. A new manager who can get them going, a couple of key signings and we'd be up there next season IMO.

I agree with the new manager bit but Arsenal would need more than a couple of key signings.

I just cannot see Wenger leaving in the summer, regardless of these results.

That is the biggest frustration at the moment.

Do you honestly think that Wenger will leave in the summer ?

[Özim]

Not being funny but the FA Cup is a measure of precisely nothing, it's nice to win and all that as an additional trophy but as a standalone prize it's low priority and nothing amazing, would rather we'd challenged properly for the league than won the FA Cup personally.

It's a cup top teams want to win if they've won something else, but these days winning just the FA Cup doesn't signify a good season. To use that as a measure of anything is frankly ridiculous, it doesn't have the prestige it had a decade ago.

Frankly I'd sacrifice all 3 cup wins to be where Liverpool and Spurs are in terms of building a team capable of challenging.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fine. And the Norwich Hospital Charity Cup (shared) ( :lol: )
My point being, I think the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth is a little out of proportion to the situation.
5 clubs have won trophies in the last 4 years, we are one of them.
Where we have failed is to push for the biggest prizes and given our resources that is not acceptable, at any other club with our resources Wenger would have been sacked.
But we won't be sweeping all before us when Wenger leaves, City, Chelsea and Utd simply have too many resources too.
We will at least have some hope of challenging them, right now with Wenger I don't feel we do.

I think the extent of our problems is over-stated. A new manager who can get them going, a couple of key signings and we'd be up there next season IMO.

:haha:

He's pre-emptively defending Wenger into the future now.

[Niall_Quinn]

That isn't a fair comparison because we didn't have the resources we do now for all of the last 10 years.
The answer is obviously not, I wouldn't be happy with that.
I'm not "constantly" going on about anything, I just think the lamenting on here about how terrible things are is a little out of proportion to the reality.
Fun fact: It's perfectly possible to think that and also think that Wenger should be sacked.
As I've said elsewhere, if he wins the Europa and then leaves I think overall it will have been a decent season, I don't think either will happen though...

It's Arsenal fans. All it takes is a decade and a half of being fed shit and you watch, some ungrateful cunt is going to pipe up with a complaint or worse, a polite banner.

Arsenal fans. Entitled. Spoiled rotten. Ungrateful shit. What are you going to do with them?

[KSE Comedy Club]

Fine. And the Norwich Hospital Charity Cup (shared) ( :lol: )
My point being, I think the level of wailing and gnashing of teeth is a little out of proportion to the situation.
5 clubs have won trophies in the last 4 years, we are one of them.
Where we have failed is to push for the biggest prizes and given our resources that is not acceptable, at any other club with our resources Wenger would have been sacked.
But we won't be sweeping all before us when Wenger leaves, City, Chelsea and Utd simply have too many resources too.
We will at least have some hope of challenging them, right now with Wenger I don't feel we do.

I think the extent of our problems is over-stated. A new manager who can get them going, a couple of key signings and we'd be up there next season IMO.

Letters, the point, is that we are supposed to be a top club pushing for the big prizes, not a lower league 'cup team'. A decent and better manager (factually not Wenger) would turn us around and have us doing just that.

Why is that so fucking difficult for you to understand? :shrug:

[Power n Glory]

No.

Why do you consistently argue against a position you know I don't take?

What is wrong with you? How many times are you going to attempt this same question with the exact same references? I thought some time away from the forum may have done you some good but it obviously hasn't.

[Power n Glory]

I'd swap positions with any club that has a reason to be hopeful about the clubs future and enjoy watching their team play. It's that simple. I think I'd swap the last two seasons for the years where we were '2% away from domination' with project youth. At least we were fun to watch and there was a sense of hope about the future.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That isn't a fair comparison because we didn't have the resources we do now for all of the last 10 years.
The answer is obviously not, I wouldn't be happy with that.
I'm not "constantly" going on about anything, I just think the lamenting on here about how terrible things are is a little out of proportion to the reality.
Fun fact: It's perfectly possible to think that and also think that Wenger should be sacked.
As I've said elsewhere, if he wins the Europa and then leaves I think overall it will have been a decent season, I don't think either will happen though...

I can’t believe you are going over this again.

You talk about comparing with all of the last 10 years. Well throughout the period where we had fewer resources, we were much better than we are today and we at least could be described as entertaining to watch.

The influx of resources has if anything, shined a giant light upon our regression under Wenger that is now really building up a head of steam.


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[Cripps]

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[Letters]

Frankly I'd sacrifice all 3 cup wins to be where Liverpool and Spurs are in terms of building a team capable of challenging.

:lol:

Bull.
Shit.

For years when we weren't winning trophies but occasionally flirted with a challenge you were whining that we weren't winning trophies.

[Letters]

I can’t believe you are going over this again.

And I can't believe you're still pretending you don't understand my position.
You're a bright enough chap, I'm sure you actually do.

[Letters]

Letters, the point, is that we are supposed to be a top club pushing for the big prizes, not a lower league 'cup team'. A decent and better manager (factually not Wenger) would turn us around and have us doing just that.

Why is that so fucking difficult for you to understand? :shrug:
Yes. That is why Wenger needs to go. We should be competing for the biggest prizes. We aren't.
But we're still one of only 5 clubs who have won any trophies over the last 4 years.
A change of manager and I actually think we would be challenging. I don't think our squad is that far away.
Things aren't quite as bleak as some people are making out.
Why is THAT so difficult to understand? :shrug:

[selassie]

:lol:

Bull.
Shit.

For years when we weren't winning trophies but occasionally flirted with a challenge you were whining that we weren't winning trophies.

What's funny about what Zim said? He is right...both Liverpool and to a slightly lesser extent the Spuds have built squads that are more equipped than ours to challenge for the title.

They have better first XI's and squads than us in addition to much better managers.

They are both bonafide top 4 teams now, we aren't.

[Letters]

What's funny about what Zim said? He is right...both Liverpool and to a slightly lesser extent the Spuds have built squads that are more equipped than ours to challenge for the title.

They have better first XI's and squads than us in addition to much better managers.

They are both bonafide top 4 teams now, we aren't.

I'm laughing at the idea that he would swap places. For years we were a top 4 and he sneered about just being top 4 and not winning trophies, which is exactly what Spurs and Livepool have done of late.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes. That is why Wenger needs to go. We should be competing for the biggest prizes. We aren't.
But we're still one of only 5 clubs who have won any trophies over the last 4 years.
A change of manager and I actually think we would be challenging. I don't think our squad is that far away.
Things aren't quite as bleak as some people are making out.
Why is THAT so difficult to understand? :shrug:

That's fine. Not difficult to understand.

Because it's missing the other stuff you go on about regarding Wenger. That's the part people can't get their head around.

[Marc Overmars]

This season is likely to be the first time Liverpool have qualified for the CL in consecutive seasons for the best part of a decade. For Spurs it’s only going to their 4th time ever.

They are at the start of their journey. Once upon a time we had hope too before 8 years of winning nothing and pretending 4th was a trophy sucked the life out of all of us.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

What we need to be where Spurs and Liverpool are is a managerial change which is what we all want anyway. I wouldn't necessarily swap squads though..... If by saying swap with Spurs or Liverpool we mean have a different manager then sure....

I don't particularly care about being first place loser in the league or Spurs being knocked out by Juventus in the CL when they should have gone through, particularly after the event. Both Liverpool and Spurs still have not won anything recently.

Each year we make poor decisions and that proves to be of consequence. We could have kept Woiech, signed Kante instead of Xhaka and changed for a manger who is serious about defensive coaching, drilling and strategy and I think defensively we'd already be transformed.

[Özim]

:lol:

Bull.
Shit.

For years when we weren't winning trophies but occasionally flirted with a challenge you were whining that we weren't winning trophies.

We never challenged properly, always fell away when it mattered, never believed we were in with a genuine chance. I'm still complaining we're not winning, winning the FA Cup doesn't mean a lot as a stand alone trophy.

I'd rather have a team who are going somewhere, play good football and that you feel has a chance of upsetting the odds and winning one of the big prizes at some point than a team with no bottle who collapse whenever they get within a mile of one of the big prizes but a domestic cup instead.

[Özim]

I'm laughing at the idea that he would swap places. For years we were a top 4 and he sneered about just being top 4 and not winning trophies, which is exactly what Spurs and Livepool have done of late.

It's not just about top 4, I still sneer at that, it's building a team capable of potentially challenging, that's what Spurs and Liverpool seem to be doing, not settling for coming 4th with no ambition to do better like we pretty much did.

I resent this clb for being such a bunch of losers with no ambition, for years all they've cared about is getting into the top 4, not to improve, or try to win the CL, simply get more money in the bank, so yes top 4 is for losers if you just settle for that every single season without ever being serious about improving of challenging for the big prizes.

Neither Spurs or Liverpool look at it that way, they want to win the big prizes, even if they don't succeed you can see they have ambitions to.

[Letters]

Neither Spurs or Liverpool look at it that way, they want to win the big prizes, even if they don't succeed you can see they have ambitions to.

I actually agree with that to be fair.
It's clear our board aren't that fussed so long as the money keeps rolling in.
And to be fair although Spurs and Liverpool are overall in a better place than us right now it has taken them a lot of failures to get there and neither have challenged that seriously.
Spurs flirted with a title challenge the last 2 seasons but I never quite felt they were up to it and so it proved in the end. Liverpool have been nowhere.

[Marc Overmars]

I think the difference is that while CL football will always be a goal for every top team, for those teams above us it will never become the end goal in the same way it did for us. Wenger was far too proud of his record of qualifying despite seldom making any impact in the competition itself. It made a mockery out of our consistency.

[GP]

I think the difference is that while CL football will always be a goal for every top team, for those teams above us it will never become the end goal in the same way it did for us. Wenger was far too proud of his record of qualifying despite seldom making any impact in the competition itself. It made a mockery out of our consistency.

You reckon?

Spurs fans literally made a song with the line "Top 4's our everything"

[Niall_Quinn]

You reckon?

Spurs fans literally made a song with the line "Top 4's our everything"

They were chanting it at us.

It has been ridiculous how that cock Wenger managed to convince most that top 4 represents success. All top 4 does is get you through the door. Then you have to do something. And Wenger can be relied on to do nothing. The top 4 was all about the money. Get the money then fail to invest it so we can actually compete in Europe. Now we're in the drop-out cup, playing the other losers. Even Wenger's laughable top 4 trophy invention is beyond us.

When this club forgets all about Wenger's bullshit top 4 and sets eyes firmly on the title, then we'll have progress. You don't need to worry about top 4 when you are chasing a title because the top 4 part takes care of itself.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Yes. That is why Wenger needs to go. We should be competing for the biggest prizes. We aren't.
But we're still one of only 5 clubs who have won any trophies over the last 4 years.
A change of manager and I actually think we would be challenging. I don't think our squad is that far away.
Things aren't quite as bleak as some people are making out.
Why is THAT so difficult to understand? :shrug:
The supposed ‘bleak outlook’ that you state is brought about by Wenger still being here and the likelyhood of him staying on any further.

He won’t step down, they won’t sack him, so we have reached an impasse.

I worry that Stan decides he can’t be arsed with doing the right thing and just keeps him here beyond 2019.

That prospect is bleak, Hiroshima & Chernobyl bleak

[rodders]

Stan is far worse for us than Wenger imo. I think Wenger actually wants to win but is not very good at it, Stan could not care less.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger has delivered all of Kroenke's priorities. In that respect he's done an excellent job. But he's killed everything that was worth it for the fans in the process. He's every bit as bad as Kroenke. A dirty little brown shirt doing his master's bidding.

[Özim]

Yeah I agree, he's part and parcel of the problem, a loser who not only doesn't have it in him to win, but he's not actully that bothered, so much so tht he makes every excuse under the sun when we fail to win and then turns around and says hey look at our character and fight after we win a couple of matches.

The guy IMO isn't that desperate to win, someone who was wouldn't have been so smug about coming in the top 4 every season, moreover after 14 years of relatve failure he would have realised he can't do it anymore and moved on, he won't of course because he thinks he's doing a good job, the club is making money and so is he and that's all he really cares about.

I don't believe for a minute the guy genuinely wants to win, he's happy when he does but for him it's not the be all and end all, he's the worst type of manager, the type who's goal is financial and who doesn't care what the fans think and actively belittles their opinions.

[Cripps]

Wenger has delivered all of Kroenke's priorities. In that respect he's done an excellent job. But he's killed everything that was worth it for the fans in the process. He's every bit as bad as Kroenke. A dirty little brown shirt doing his master's bidding.

Racist :sulk:

[Cripps]

The Star claim Luis Enrique is stalling on agreeing a deal to be the next Chelsea manager – in the hope that #Arsenal come calling. https://t.co/tZT829uT97

[Niall_Quinn]

The Star claim Luis Enrique is stalling on agreeing a deal to be the next Chelsea manager – in the hope that #Arsenal come calling. https://t.co/tZT829uT97

He's prepared to wait 30 years for an answer.

[Cripps]

The remarkable story of Sean McVay - The 31-year-old LA Rams head coach appointed by Stan Kroenke and what his success story could mean for Arsenal. https://t.co/nvY6kfmrHa

[Cripps]

Tuchel 'in touch with Arsenal' over replacing Wenger, claims Matthaus https://t.co/w5RDqCMfOU

Ivan :bow:

[Power n Glory]

Tuchel 'in touch with Arsenal' over replacing Wenger, claims Matthaus https://t.co/w5RDqCMfOU

Ivan :bow:

It's bullshit. If he doesn't have a good relationship with Sven, why would we even consider it?

It's the third manager we've been linked with in months.

[Cripps]

It's bullshit. If he doesn't have a good relationship with Sven, why would we even consider it?

It's the third manager we've been linked with in months.

I know:lol: I said in another thread there's zero chance, I'm just messing around :lol:

James benge: Wenger on beIN says speculation over his future is "a little bit age discrimination". Says he isn't thinking of Europa League as a happy ending.

:rose:

[Cripps]

It's bullshit. If he doesn't have a good relationship with Sven, why would we even consider it?

It's the third manager we've been linked with in months.

I know:lol: I said in another thread there's zero chance, I'm just messing around :lol:

James benge: Wenger on beIN says speculation over his future is "a little bit age discrimination". Says he isn't thinking of Europa League as a happy ending.

:rose:

[Power n Glory]

The remarkable story of Sean McVay - The 31-year-old LA Rams head coach appointed by Stan Kroenke and what his success story could mean for Arsenal. https://t.co/nvY6kfmrHa

This has been an interesting story. Kroenke will give someone the push if the finances are under threat. Been following this since I first heard about it a year ago during one of the many debates with HCZ. :rose:

If we're having to reevaluate our wage structure because of the lack CL football, maybe Stan will give Wenger the push. If the fans keep the stadium numbers low we may have a chance.

[Cripps]

This has been an interesting story. Kroenke will give someone the push if the finances are under threat. Been following this since I first heard about it a year ago during one of the many debates with HCZ. :rose:

If we're having to reevaluate our wage structure because of the lack CL football, maybe Stan will give Wenger the push. If the fans keep the stadium numbers low we may have a chance.

The empty seats have been the best thing that's happened. It's made them wake up and realise they can't take us for mugs anymore. They gave him a 2 year deal thinking they could milk us with their usual rhetoric and we'd fall for it :lol: now there's a mini panic :lol:

From AST:


Arsenal heading toward underlying loss before player trading of almost £60m pa (the transfer sales mask this). Looking forward spare cash is tight. Hard to see room for much growth in wage bill, even with Champions lge. Est £50 to £70m for transfers in summer

Also:

Arsene Wenger making it pretty clear he has no intention of going anywhere this summer with a judge me on 22 years not the last result message @beinsports https://t.co/inN8QWLfs2

:lol: :rose:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

It's bullshit. If he doesn't have a good relationship with Sven, why would we even consider it?

It's the third manager we've been linked with in months.

Kicker, who are usually reliable about German related stories, have said it's happening.

https://twitter.com/LGAmbrose/status/977839660331360256

According to the report, Sven's said he's ok with it and prepared to give it a chance. Apparently he also turned down Bayern as well for us.



Tuchel was my first choice around two years ago. Good football, improves players and seems capable of putting a strong league campaign together - they had the highest points tally out of any team not to win the Bundesliga the season he was at Dortmund. It was only the Bayern utterly dominating the Bundesliga that meant they didn't win it and they've kind of collapsed since he left.

My only worry however is that like Klopp he does seem to be a bit naive when it comes to setting up a defence.

Obviously I'd be overjoyed if it happens, if anything just to get rid of Wenger, and I'd prefer him to Low but I'd still ideally prefer Jardim or Allegri. Simeone as well but he seems ungettable at this stage.

[Özim]

Tuchel did a mediocre job at Dortmund, they got nowhere in the CL despite him inheriting a team with lots of top players and in the league they were nothing to ride home about either in the time he was there, takes some doing to get sacked by Dortmund after a couple seasons.

Not the kind of manager we should be looking at at all, if we are that is, which seems highly unlikely to me.

[Cripps]

Tuchel did a mediocre job at Dortmund, they got nowhere in the CL despite him inheriting a team with lots of top players and in the league they were nothing to ride home about either in the time he was there, takes some doing to get sacked by Dortmund after a couple seasons.

Not the kind of manager we should be looking at at all, if we are that is, which seems highly unlikely to me.

:lol: bit harsh Zim. He played some excellent football and would have a domestic title under his belt were it not for Pep showing up in Germany. Le Grove has done a good piece on why Tuchel and his ideas would be exciting. Take a look.

[Özim]

:lol: bit harsh Zim. He played some excellent football and would have a domestic title under his belt were it not for Pep showing up in Germany. Le Grove has done a good piece on why Tuchel and his ideas would be exciting. Take a look.

I just look at how they did in the CL before he took over and how they did after and to be honest afterwards they didn't look such a good side in the CL. He came 3rd in his last season, 3rd in a league with basically 2 teams is pretty poor, Dortmund player wise we head and shoulders above everyone bar Bayern.

If we're after him, we're aiming pretty low IMO, they didn't sack him for no reason, I remember seeing Dortmund and thinking they looked very beatable compared to the side they were, even Liverpool knocked them out after needing 3 goals twice in a game in the Europa, pretty poor show IMO, remember thinking how brittle Dortmund looked compard to before he took over. Is this really the kind guy we can attract now, a 2nd rate manager with no real record of success? If so we're in big trouble.

I'm not interested in any manager that can't build a team capable of defending, you'll never win anything of note without a good disciplined defence, top teams are built from the back.

[Power n Glory]

Agree with Zim on this one. Losing the dressing room and falling out with staff so quickly isn't a good sign after two seasons. Also, his record on the pitch isn't that impressive.

[Bumble]

I just look at how they did in the CL before he took over and how they did after and to be honest afterwards they didn't look such a good side in the CL. He came 3rd in his last season, 3rd in a league with basically 2 teams is pretty poor, Dortmund player wise we head and shoulders above everyone bar Bayern.

If we're after him, we're aiming pretty low IMO, they didn't sack him for no reason, I remember seeing Dortmund and thinking they looked very beatable compared to the side they were, even Liverpool knocked them out after needing 3 goals twice in a game in the Europa, pretty poor show IMO, remember thinking how brittle Dortmund looked compard to before he took over. Is this really the kind guy we can attract now, a 2nd rate manager with no real record of success? If so we're in big trouble.

I'm not interested in any manager that can't build a team capable of defending, you'll never win anything of note without a good disciplined defence, top teams are built from the back.

but which managers are realistically going to come to us, a successful manager is going to want a CL side + a large transfer fund. there is too much to do on the team/squad that a top manager would not be interested in having to wait 2-3 years just to get competitive. so maybe being realistic we might need to look at a tier down. or take a gamble on a younger manager.

[selassie]

Tuchel did a mediocre job at Dortmund, they got nowhere in the CL despite him inheriting a team with lots of top players and in the league they were nothing to ride home about either in the time he was there, takes some doing to get sacked by Dortmund after a couple seasons.

Not the kind of manager we should be looking at at all, if we are that is, which seems highly unlikely to me.

I thought he did OK considering he lost pretty much the heartbeat of the Dortmund team at the time in Hummels, Gundogan and Mikhi.

I do think Tuchel is overrated though, he's not Elite at all, though is a decent young Manager with pretty innovative ideas, he would be an upgrade on Wenger.

I thought he recruited well in the market with young players in his time at Dortmund, he developed these players to an extent too.

He promoted Christian Pulisic who is a great young talent, and brought in the likes of Julian Weigl, Osamund Dembele and a couple of others who's names escape me right now.

I am not against him coming here but I am not convinced he would be right long term solution.

[Power n Glory]

but which managers are realistically going to come to us, a successful manager is going to want a CL side + a large transfer fund. there is too much to do on the team/squad that a top manager would not be interested in having to wait 2-3 years just to get competitive. so maybe being realistic we might need to look at a tier down. or take a gamble on a younger manager.

We're not a small club. We can afford to aim higher. Any manager that needs billions to spend and isn't confident enough to get us back into the CL in his first season is someone we should avoid anyway.

[Özim]

but which managers are realistically going to come to us, a successful manager is going to want a CL side + a large transfer fund. there is too much to do on the team/squad that a top manager would not be interested in having to wait 2-3 years just to get competitive. so maybe being realistic we might need to look at a tier down. or take a gamble on a younger manager.

If we look a tier down we'll end up 2nd rate unfortunately, we need to attract a top manager who can build a team, otherwise we're really not a big club.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Tuchel 'in touch with Arsenal' over replacing Wenger, claims Matthaus https://t.co/w5RDqCMfOU

Ivan :bow:

Good to know we are 'looking' to replaced the old goat.

But not with this fucking guy.

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger says he's being discriminated against because of his age. :haha:

Excuse after excuse.

[GP]

It's not because of his age.

It's because he's a jew

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Tuchel did a mediocre job at Dortmund, they got nowhere in the CL despite him inheriting a team with lots of top players and in the league they were nothing to ride home about either in the time he was there, takes some doing to get sacked by Dortmund after a couple seasons.

Not the kind of manager we should be looking at at all, if we are that is, which seems highly unlikely to me.


:haha::haha:


He got knocked out in the QF's of the CL against Monaco because the team coach got fucking bombed on route to the stadium. If Monaco & UEFA weren't such despicable cunts about the whole affair then they would have replayed the fixture .... instead they forced it ahead and Dortmund understanbly weren't in any mood to play well in those circumstances. Still won the cup that year and should have won the league if Bayern didn't have such a stranglehold on things.

He wasn't in the CL the his first year because of Klopp's blunder the previous year (nearly relegated) but he had Liverpool beat in the EL before a ten minute brainfart in the second leg at Anfield (these things can happen).

He turned the likes of Aubayemeng into a world class striker and the likes of Mkhi flourished under him. He's just a fantastic coach who improves players, is tactically flexible, modern and plays great football ...... I'd fucking love to have him.

His personality is an issue but usually the best coaches are cunts because they demand success. See Pep or even prime Mourinho. Frankly I'd much rather have a manager who's prepared to ruffle feathers and call out the board if needed rather than a yes man like Ancelotti or Wenger. Besides given the autonomy he'd have here to do his thing, it may just work for a few seasons (no one's going to do a Wenger/Fergie anymore).

You've got to laugh at Arsenal fans. He's good enough for Bayern to go after him but he's not good enough for us despite the difference in status right now. :lol::lol:

[Özim]

:lol:

Got sacked by Dortmund didn't he? Also got embarrassed by Liverpool in the Europa league.

As for Aubmeyang, Klopp signed him and he scored a hatful of goals before Tuchel ever got his hands on him, 25 in his previous season. Tuchel is one of those overhyped guys who achieved nothing and yet for some reason is flavour of the day, a tactically astute manager wouldn't have seen his side lose a game to Liverpool when they needed 3 goals to go through. The guy inherited a top quality squad from Klopp, he did a mediocre job with it, crashing out of the CL then embarrassed in the Europa.

If Bayern didn't exist Dortmund would have won the CL as well, but they do and that's what you're up against, the fact is their record under him in Europe was poor and even domestically it wasn't great, like I said ending up third 18 points behind Bayern pretty poor IMO, even the season before they were 10 points behind.

Overrated doesn't begin to describe him, he's a nobody that got lucky and got a chance at one of Germany's biggest clubs and messed that up big time, the guy achieves nothing and yet is apparently the 2nd coming to some, do me a favour :lol:

[Power n Glory]

:haha::haha:


He got knocked out in the QF's of the CL against Monaco because the team coach got fucking bombed on route to the stadium. If Monaco & UEFA weren't such despicable cunts about the whole affair then they would have replayed the fixture .... instead they forced it ahead and Dortmund understanbly weren't in any mood to play well in those circumstances. Still won the cup that year and should have won the league if Bayern didn't have such a stranglehold on things.

He wasn't in the CL the his first year because of Klopp's blunder the previous year (nearly relegated) but he had Liverpool beat in the EL before a ten minute brainfart in the second leg at Anfield (these things can happen).

He turned the likes of Aubayemeng into a world class striker and the likes of Mkhi flourished under him. He's just a fantastic coach who improves players, is tactically flexible, modern and plays great football ...... I'd fucking love to have him.

His personality is an issue but usually the best coaches are cunts because they demand success. See Pep or even prime Mourinho. Frankly I'd much rather have a manager who's prepared to ruffle feathers and call out the board if needed rather than a yes man like Ancelotti or Wenger. Besides given the autonomy he'd have here to do his thing, it may just work for a few seasons (no one's going to do a Wenger/Fergie anymore).

You've got to laugh at Arsenal fans. He's good enough for Bayern to go after him but he's not good enough for us despite the difference in status right now. :lol::lol:

Wenger could probably go to Bayern and win the league. It's nothing to brag about. Zim raises a good point. Tuchel couldn't overcome Bayern in Germany. What makes you think he'll fair better where there are 3 'Bayerns' in the Prem that you have to overcome?

It's a worry that they sacked him so quickly. It's not the sort of risk I think we should take considering there are other candidates out there. We should be looking for someone that can take a smaller club and have them punching above their weight. Tuchel didn't have Dortmund punching above their weight.

[Cripps]

I'm in agreement with Le Grove on this one:shrug:

We need innovating ideas to out think some of the managers in this league, and Tuchel fits the bill. PnG raises a good point in the sense that there's more Peps in this league and his man management was poor at Dortmund as he got into a few arguments but we were all young at one point and made mistakes :shrug: As long as he's learnt from his mistakes :shrug:

He's definetly a level above the Brendan Rodgers and Arteta' s of this world. There's a few managers that would make my stomach sink if we got them, notably the 2 I've just mentioned, but I'd be pretty blimmin happy with Tuchel :shrug:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

:lol:

Got sacked by Dortmund didn't he? Also got embarrassed by Liverpool in the Europa league.

As for Aubmeyang, Klopp signed him and he scored a hatful of goals before Tuchel ever got his hands on him, 25 in his previous season. Tuchel is one of those overhyped guys who achieved nothing and yet for some reason is flavour of the day, a tactically astute manager wouldn't have seen his side lose a game to Liverpool when they needed 3 goals to go through. The guy inherited a top quality squad from Klopp, he did a mediocre job with it, crashing out of the CL then embarrassed in the Europa.

If Bayern didn't exist Dortmund would have won the CL as well, but they do and that's what you're up against, the fact is their record under him in Europe was poor and even domestically it wasn't great, like I said ending up third 18 points behind Bayern pretty poor IMO, even the season before they were 10 points behind.

Overrated doesn't begin to describe him, he's a nobody that got lucky and got a chance at one of Germany's biggest clubs and messed that up big time, the guy achieves nothing and yet is apparently the 2nd coming to some, do me a favour :lol:

Christ you're an idiot.

Do you even know why Tuchel got sacked? It wasn't due to performances - it was three days after the guy won them their first trophy in five years. It was because he fell out spectacularly with the management team for several reasons:

- He felt they didn't do enough to defend the club after the bomb attack (getting the fixture replayed)
- He was livid after they sold three of their best player the summer before (Hummels, Mkhi & Gundogen) despite getting assurances that two at most would only depart
- His now much publicised clashes with Sven (who he felt was interfering too much)


Honestly Zim, you constantly (and rightly) bleat on about Wenger being a placid manager who doesn't do enough to demand success and yet you're attacking a manager who was abrasive enough to push back when his best players got sold from under his nose, reducing their competitivity.


And why do you keep saying his record in Europe is poor? He's not Wenger who's been in Europe for years - he's only been in it for two years. First season EL QF and lost to Liverpool despite seemingly having the match buried (ten minute brainfart at Anfield - it happens). Second season QF of the CL and lost to an excellent Monaco team (Mbapee, Lemar, Mendy, Silva, Bakakyo etc ..... all of them were poached by the top European clubs after that) after their team coach got bombed before a match.



Wenger could probably go to Bayern and win the league. It's nothing to brag about. Zim raises a good point. Tuchel couldn't overcome Bayern in Germany. What makes you think he'll fair better where there are 3 'Bayerns' in the Prem that you have to overcome?

It's a worry that they sacked him so quickly. It's not the sort of risk I think we should take considering there are other candidates out there. We should be looking for someone that can take a smaller club and have them punching above their weight. Tuchel didn't have Dortmund punching above their weight.

The likes of Bayern don't go hunting for poor managers PnG. And neither do PSG & Chelsea who are the other teams he's also linked with.

He could have done better in the second season against Ancelotti's Bayern but that was the season where his three best players sold from under his nose and still despite that was able to perform admirably with him bringing through players like Dembele. Not much else he could do in the first season when he had Pep's Bayern accumulating points at the same rate City are right now and they finished second with the points tally that most teams usually win the league with.

And maybe he won't be able to overcome them, especially City given their financial might, but at the very least we'd be competing against them which would be a whole of a lot better than our current situation where we're basically a joke. He'd be a good manager and the only one I'd take over him would be Simeone.

[Cripps]

:lol: only on goonersweb do people argue about something that has 0% chance of happening.

[Marc Overmars]

Wouldn't mind Tuchel really. Not one of my immediate picks but I've always said we need to invest in a philosophy and not necessarily a CV when it comes to our next manager, although preferably some sort of prior success would be ideal. Thanks to Wenger staying beyond his expiry date everything about the club has gone stale, we desperately need new coaching methods along with a new voice and direction. Managers are always looking for their big break and you never know we might be the right fit for Tuchel.

I'm quite easy on Wenger's replacement anyway, as long as it's not a proven failure or someone's first job (Arteta or Henry) then I'll be fairly excited and supportive.

[Power n Glory]

Wouldn't mind Tuchel really. Not one of my immediate picks but I've always said we need to invest in a philosophy and not necessarily a CV when it comes to our next manager, although preferably some sort of prior success would be ideal. Thanks to Wenger staying beyond his expiry date everything about the club has gone stale, we desperately need new coaching methods along with a new voice and direction. Managers are always looking for their big break and you never know we might be the right fit for Tuchel.

I'm quite easy on Wenger's replacement anyway, as long as it's not a proven failure or someone's first job (Arteta or Henry) then I'll be fairly excited and supportive.

Brendan Rodgers?

[Cripps]

Wouldn't mind Tuchel really. Not one of my immediate picks but I've always said we need to invest in a philosophy and not necessarily a CV when it comes to our next manager, although preferably some sort of prior success would be ideal. Thanks to Wenger staying beyond his expiry date everything about the club has gone stale, we desperately need new coaching methods along with a new voice and direction. Managers are always looking for their big break and you never know we might be the right fit for Tuchel.

I'm quite easy on Wenger's replacement anyway, as long as it's not a proven failure or someone's first job (Arteta or Henry) then I'll be fairly excited and supportive.

:gp:

Sir Mo :bow:

[Letters]

:lol: only on goonersweb do people argue about something that has 0% chance of happening.

We've never argued about you not dying a virgin :unsure:



:cool:

[Marc Overmars]

Brendan Rodgers?

Nah. Was poor at Liverpool bar that one season and his buys weren’t great. Suarez carried that team.

What he’s doing now at Celtic couldn’t be more irrelevant as well.

[Cripps]

Mo for prime minister :bow:

[Özim]

Christ you're an idiot.

Do you even know why Tuchel got sacked? It wasn't due to performances - it was three days after the guy won them their first trophy in five years. It was because he fell out spectacularly with the management team for several reasons:

- He felt they didn't do enough to defend the club after the bomb attack (getting the fixture replayed)
- He was livid after they sold three of their best player the summer before (Hummels, Mkhi & Gundogen) despite getting assurances that two at most would only depart
- His now much publicised clashes with Sven (who he felt was interfering too much)


Honestly Zim, you constantly (and rightly) bleat on about Wenger being a placid manager who doesn't do enough to demand success and yet you're attacking a manager who was abrasive enough to push back when his best players got sold from under his nose, reducing their competitivity.


And why do you keep saying his record in Europe is poor? He's not Wenger who's been in Europe for years - he's only been in it for two years. First season EL QF and lost to Liverpool despite seemingly having the match buried (ten minute brainfart at Anfield - it happens). Second season QF of the CL and lost to an excellent Monaco team (Mbapee, Lemar, Mendy, Silva, Bakakyo etc ..... all of them were poached by the top European clubs after that) after their team coach got bombed before a match.



I'm an idiot? You're the one who after well over a decade of having a loser in charge wants to replace him with another one, where's the logic in that, bring someone decent in, we deserve that after years of failure.

As for the cup win, do me a favour, domestic cups are mickey mouse trophies that noone really values.

As for the defeat to Liverpool, no it doesnt' just happen when Liverpool needed 3 goals twice, that's amateurish, he's got no record of success at club level that's a fact.

Honestly some of you guys always buy into the hype for unproven players/managers etc you'd think you'd learn your lesson at some point.

[Cripps]

:lol: goonersweb at its finest :bow:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I haven't followed his career closely but a lot of the football writers seemed to be enamoured with Tuchel when he was at Dortmund and having read the debate between you lot I'm somewhat split. I do think Em Goonie has presented some legitimate mitigation worth considering though. Not least of all is the effect of the Dortmund bus bombing. I also think if you scrutinise the career to date of literally any manager in world football you can make a decent case for not hiring them.

On a slightly separate note....

I never understand the idea that we aren't an attracvtive proposition for top managers though. We offer one of the best salaries in football for managers, are located in the middle of London, have history and a reasonably talented squad of players with a few decent youth prospects as well as a senior management set up that doesn't just aim to fire and hire managers willy nilly and heap disproportionate pressure on them. Fans who are relatively pretty patient too.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I'm an idiot? You're the one who after well over a decade of having a loser in charge wants to replace him with another one, where's the logic in that, bring someone decent in, we deserve that after years of failure.

As for the cup win, do me a favour, domestic cups are mickey mouse trophies that noone really values.

As for the defeat to Liverpool, no it doesnt' just happen when Liverpool needed 3 goals twice, that's amateurish, he's got no record of success at club level that's a fact.

Honestly some of you guys always buy into the hype for unproven players/managers etc you'd think you'd learn your lesson at some point.

You're an idiot because you clearly have no clue about what happened during Tuchel's spell at Dortmund or his career and yet are making bold pronouncements on here calling Tuchel a loser, amateur, failure etc etc because he didn't win the treble during his time there. That's the simplicity of your intellectual thought process to this - infantile.

I note you've conveniently avoided rebutting the points I made about the reason why he was sacked at Dortmund - I guess you weren't aware of them. At least I hope you'll now stop using that to put him down.


And yes it does. Even the best managers have a bad game here and there - it was a shocker conceding three goals in the manner they did after steam rollering Liverpool in the first half and seemingly having the tie in the bag. I've already admitted he's a bit more defensively naive compared to a Simeone or an Allegri but the attacking football he plays is miles better which more than compensates for it. And that's the format that's current succeeding in the PL with Pep and Klopp and the style we should hope to emulate.


According to Raphael Honigstein on TF pod the Bayern top brass had been frantically trying to persuade him to reverse his mind the past few days but he's already signed a deal with a top foreign club that he's going to honour. Though unlike Kicker, RH thinks it's probably either Chelsea or PSG and not us.

He's good enough for Bayern and probably Chelsea or PSG but no according to internet poster Zimmerman on GW he's not good enough for The Arsenal. :rolleyes:

We deserve four more years of Wenger with thinking like this. We let the likes of Pep & Klopp slip away when they were available & gettable because the board & some fans were too afraid of taking a chance on a promising manager and we're about to do same thing if Tuchel does go elsewhere. Infuriating.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I haven't followed his career closely but a lot of the football writers seemed to be enamoured with Tuchel when he was at Dortmund and having read the debate between you lot I'm somewhat split. I do think Em Goonie has presented some legitimate mitigation worth considering though. Not least of all is the effect of the Dortmund bus bombing. I also think if you scrutinise the career to date of literally any manager in world football you can make a decent case for not hiring them.

On a slightly separate note....

I never understand the idea that we aren't an attracvtive proposition for top managers though. We offer one of the best salaries in football for managers, are located in the middle of London, have history and a reasonably talented squad of players with a few decent youth prospects as well as a senior management set up that doesn't just aim to fire and hire managers willy nilly and heap disproportionate pressure on them. Fans who are relatively pretty patient too.

I don't think Zim understands just how far the deck is stacked towards Bayern in Germany in terms of resources. It's not like England where the TV money has mitigated things to an extent among the top six (although City & Utd can push to levels the others can't). Their commercial income from leveraging their worldwide popularity puts them streets ahead of the others - Dortmund constantly have their best player raided by Bayern nearly season after season (Lewandowski, Hummels, Gotze etc).


Bayern are about to win the Bundesliga for the sixth year in a row and only Tuchel has come close to even putting up a challenge against that run. Doing that and getting Dortmund into the QF's is punching above expectations for a club their size.

[Niall_Quinn]

There aren't 3 Bayerns in the PL. There's one PSG (great on their day, shit on other days), and a whole stream of pub shite. Utd, the chavs, Pool, the spuds? Are these the Bayerns? Don't think so. We get a new manager in and we might not be able to step it up to PSG level right away but we'll be mixing it with our fellow pubbers in no time flat. Wenger's not good enough to manage a pub team - he's proven that season after season after season. And yet some still think he's comparable to even semi-competent managers. So this Dortmund bloke got one spanking and didn't win the CL? Well he has a long way to go to catch up to our specialist fuck up who gets a good spanking on a routine basis and has had two decades to do something in Europe. Mark Hughes would be an improvement on Wenger, so if we ended up with a manager like Tuchel that would leaping fifty levels up from the rancid shit bastard we have in charge of wrecking the place right now.

[Power n Glory]

Christ you're an idiot.

Do you even know why Tuchel got sacked? It wasn't due to performances - it was three days after the guy won them their first trophy in five years. It was because he fell out spectacularly with the management team for several reasons:

- He felt they didn't do enough to defend the club after the bomb attack (getting the fixture replayed)
- He was livid after they sold three of their best player the summer before (Hummels, Mkhi & Gundogen) despite getting assurances that two at most would only depart
- His now much publicised clashes with Sven (who he felt was interfering too much)


Honestly Zim, you constantly (and rightly) bleat on about Wenger being a placid manager who doesn't do enough to demand success and yet you're attacking a manager who was abrasive enough to push back when his best players got sold from under his nose, reducing their competitivity.


And why do you keep saying his record in Europe is poor? He's not Wenger who's been in Europe for years - he's only been in it for two years. First season EL QF and lost to Liverpool despite seemingly having the match buried (ten minute brainfart at Anfield - it happens). Second season QF of the CL and lost to an excellent Monaco team (Mbapee, Lemar, Mendy, Silva, Bakakyo etc ..... all of them were poached by the top European clubs after that) after their team coach got bombed before a match.




The likes of Bayern don't go hunting for poor managers PnG. And neither do PSG & Chelsea who are the other teams he's also linked with.

He could have done better in the second season against Ancelotti's Bayern but that was the season where his three best players sold from under his nose and still despite that was able to perform admirably with him bringing through players like Dembele. Not much else he could do in the first season when he had Pep's Bayern accumulating points at the same rate City are right now and they finished second with the points tally that most teams usually win the league with.

And maybe he won't be able to overcome them, especially City given their financial might, but at the very least we'd be competing against them which would be a whole of a lot better than our current situation where we're basically a joke. He'd be a good manager and the only one I'd take over him would be Simeone.

If we replace Wenger, great. A risk is better than taking no risk. But again, being linked with PSG and Bayern doesn't impress me. Those are two clubs that can outspend their nearest rival twice over and even poach the players off their nearest league rivals to put the odds in their favour. Chelsea is a different story and more of a risk.

We're not a club that can out spend our rivals and need some serious defensive work. The fact that Tuchel's defensive record is sketchy is a concern. What happened against Liverpool can't be ignored. Also, doesn't it concern you that he fell out so quickly with the people around him in two seasons? Worst still, one of the guys he fell out with works here. If we're looking for someone that's not a dictator and can work with staff around him, shouldn't this be a red flag?

Zim has some harsh words but calling him an idiot for some of the points raised is just as harsh. With only two seasons at Dortmund, it's hard to get a full scope of what he's capable of. But I'd take him over Joachim Low, Arteta or Henry. That's a definite.

[Power n Glory]

Nah. Was poor at Liverpool bar that one season and his buys weren’t great. Suarez carried that team.

What he’s doing now at Celtic couldn’t be more irrelevant as well.

If Rodgers had left the season after they lost Suarez, opinions would probably differ. That's why I hesitate on Tuchel. Again, if Tuchel ends up at Bayern, it's about as competitive as the Scottish League!

Tuchel may turn out to be a great manager but there are still question marks. If he had stayed a season or more with Dortmund how would things have turned out?

[Power n Glory]

There aren't 3 Bayerns in the PL. There's one PSG (great on their day, shit on other days), and a whole stream of pub shite. Utd, the chavs, Pool, the spuds? Are these the Bayerns? Don't think so. We get a new manager in and we might not be able to step it up to PSG level right away but we'll be mixing it with our fellow pubbers in no time flat. Wenger's not good enough to manage a pub team - he's proven that season after season after season. And yet some still think he's comparable to even semi-competent managers. So this Dortmund bloke got one spanking and didn't win the CL? Well he has a long way to go to catch up to our specialist fuck up who gets a good spanking on a routine basis and has had two decades to do something in Europe. Mark Hughes would be an improvement on Wenger, so if we ended up with a manager like Tuchel that would leaping fifty levels up from the rancid shit bastard we have in charge of wrecking the place right now.

Mark Hughes? Stop it! I can't understand how the same English managers get chance after chance in this league whilst other young coaches got no chance or given the boot within the first signs of trouble.

[Bumble]

If we look a tier down we'll end up 2nd rate unfortunately, we need to attract a top manager who can build a team, otherwise we're really not a big club.

But nobody is a top manager straight away - Wenger was an unknown and for 7-8 years was great. You never know though - a tier 2 manager could become a tier 1 manager given the chance. I know nothing about the Dortmund guy so cant really comment. I don't really watch any non-English football. A fair bit of work needs to be done to the squad, I cant see Mustafi suddenly knowning how to defend with a new manager in place and still not sure on what Xhaka does.

Interesting that we seem to be willing to let Wilshere and Ramsey go but extend Eleney contract.

[Globalgunner]

In the EPL alone, amongst current managers. I would take anyone except Hughes, Pardew and Moyes. Yes even Allardyce would be an improvement on Wenger.

But really why can we just go for Luis Enrique. Hes available and is better imo than Tuchel. Announce it today.

[Özim]

You're an idiot because you clearly have no clue about what happened during Tuchel's spell at Dortmund or his career and yet are making bold pronouncements on here calling Tuchel a loser, amateur, failure etc etc because he didn't win the treble during his time there. That's the simplicity of your intellectual thought process to this - infantile.

I note you've conveniently avoided rebutting the points I made about the reason why he was sacked at Dortmund - I guess you weren't aware of them. At least I hope you'll now stop using that to put him down.


And yes it does. Even the best managers have a bad game here and there - it was a shocker conceding three goals in the manner they did after steam rollering Liverpool in the first half and seemingly having the tie in the bag. I've already admitted he's a bit more defensively naive compared to a Simeone or an Allegri but the attacking football he plays is miles better which more than compensates for it. And that's the format that's current succeeding in the PL with Pep and Klopp and the style we should hope to emulate.


According to Raphael Honigstein on TF pod the Bayern top brass had been frantically trying to persuade him to reverse his mind the past few days but he's already signed a deal with a top foreign club that he's going to honour. Though unlike Kicker, RH thinks it's probably either Chelsea or PSG and not us.

He's good enough for Bayern and probably Chelsea or PSG but no according to internet poster Zimmerman on GW he's not good enough for The Arsenal. :rolleyes:

We deserve four more years of Wenger with thinking like this. We let the likes of Pep & Klopp slip away when they were available & gettable because the board & some fans were too afraid of taking a chance on a promising manager and we're about to do same thing if Tuchel does go elsewhere. Infuriating.

Thing is I don't care, had he been successful you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't have got the sack, they sacked him for their own reasons and clearly didn't value him enough not to, because as I said before he's totally unproven, no record of success and inherited an already top team from Klopp, a team who had largely down very well in the CL.

As for your point about beng close to Bayern, 10 and 18 points isn't close in my book, close would be within a few points maybe but not 10 or 18 and his current record if very relevant, it's all we have to judge him by therefore what he's achieved is important and right now it's not impressive at all.

As for other clubs wanting him, so what, I couldn't care less, as PNG said they have infinite resources and mickey mouse could win the league with them.

I've noticed how some people get hold of the names of some unproven nobodies (whether it be players or managers) and then become somewhat fixated on the fact they are the best thing since sliced bread, remember people going nuts over Isaksson and he proved rubbish, howabout we let someone prove themselves and have some success before we start to think they're a gift from the gods, remember Moyes, he was flavour of the day once upon the time and then employed by Man U, we all know what happened next.

As for the football, Dortmund played amazing football before he arrived under Kloppp (much like Liverpool do) so let's not go overboard, Klopp built Dortmund, getting them to CL finals and challenging Bayern, Tuchel just took over an already well established club with top players.

The guy is flavour of the day, who knows we're he'll be in a few years, as for comparisons to Pep etc, not even close, those managers have actually had success this is entirely different.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

If we replace Wenger, great. A risk is better than taking no risk. But again, being linked with PSG and Bayern doesn't impress me. Those are two clubs that can outspend their nearest rival twice over and even poach the players off their nearest league rivals to put the odds in their favour. Chelsea is a different story and more of a risk.

We're not a club that can out spend our rivals and need some serious defensive work. The fact that Tuchel's defensive record is sketchy is a concern. What happened against Liverpool can't be ignored. Also, doesn't it concern you that he fell out so quickly with the people around him in two seasons? Worst still, one of the guys he fell out with works here. If we're looking for someone that's not a dictator and can work with staff around him, shouldn't this be a red flag?

Zim has some harsh words but calling him an idiot for some of the points raised is just as harsh. With only two seasons at Dortmund, it's hard to get a full scope of what he's capable of. But I'd take him over Joachim Low, Arteta or Henry. That's a definite.

It's one thing saying you'd prefer X guy instead or you don't want him, it's another thing making up ignorant shit like he's mediocre, a loser, overrated or he "failed" when it's clear he has zero idea about how his spell at Dortmund went which is why I called him that.

And if losing 4 - 3 at Anfield to a Klopp Liverpool side makes you a shit manager then god forbid, I'd like to hear your opinion on Pep. It was one bad result where they threw away what should have been a sure win.

And I don't think he's any worse at organising a defence than say a Pep is. Moreover it matters less for managers like them because they utterly dominate team offensively to the point where it rarely matters how well their defence is as long as they have some reasonably competent people back there. In fact there's a famous anecdote about how he met Pep for lunch during his gap year and they spent two hours talking and discussing tactics using the salt & pepper shakers. :lol:

And you can't have it both ways PnG. You can't at one point dismiss Bayern & PSG wanting him by saying even Wenger would win the league there but then at the same time clamour for someone like Allegeri who also wins league titles in a league where one club has it dominated. And for the record, I'd be ecstatic with Allegri.




In the EPL alone, amongst current managers. I would take anyone except Hughes, Pardew and Moyes. Yes even Allardyce would be an improvement on Wenger.

But really why can we just go for Luis Enrique. Hes available and is better imo than Tuchel. Announce it today.

Wouldn't go that far on Allardyce. He'd make us defensively more secure certainly but we'd struggle to even create a single shot on target.

Everton fans already want him gone.


And Tuchel > Luis Enrique tbh.

The latter didn't do well at Roma.

[Özim]

Bayern are about to win the Bundesliga for the sixth year in a row and only Tuchel has come close to even putting up a challenge against that run. Doing that and getting Dortmund into the QF's is punching above expectations for a club their size.

Again no, Dortmund have been a top side over the years, they had a dip then Klopp brought them back into the limelight, player wise they've had Germany's 2ns best team for years, not coming 2nd is a bad season.

[Özim]

Moreover the top managers all build teams who can defend as well as attack, not interested in getting a manager who is defensively naive because you'll never win anything of note with a dodgy defence, over a decade of that should be conclusive proof, Guardiola etc build teams with good defences, that's one of the reasons they win stuff, when the attack doesn't play well they can still grind out results.

[Özim]

It's one thing saying you'd prefer X guy instead or you don't want him, it's another thing making up ignorant shit like he's mediocre, a loser, overrated or he "failed" when it's clear he has zero idea about how his spell at Dortmund went which is why I called him that.

And if losing 4 - 3 at Anfield to a Klopp Liverpool side makes you a shit manager then god forbid, I'd like to hear your opinion on Pep. It was one bad result where they threw away what should have been a sure win.

And I don't think he's any worse at organising a defence than say a Pep is. Moreover it matters less for managers like them because they utterly dominate team offensively to the point where it rarely matters how well their defence is as long as they have some reasonably competent people back there. In fact there's a famous anecdote about how he met Pep for lunch during his gap year and they spent two hours talking and discussing tactics using the salt & pepper shakers. :lol:

And you can't have it both ways PnG. You can't at one point dismiss Bayern & PSG wanting him by saying even Wenger would win the league there but then at the same time clamour for someone like Allegeri who also wins league titles in a league where one club has it dominated. And for the record, I'd be ecstatic with Allegri.





Wouldn't go that far on Allardyce. He'd make us defensively more secure certainly but we'd struggle to even create a single shot on target.

Everton fans already want him gone.


And Tuchel > Luis Enrique tbh.

The latter didn't do well at Roma.

Whether you rate Enrique or not and I'm not a big fan, he won the treble including the CL which is a much better achievement than anything Tuchel has done, so right now Enrique is certainly better, Tuchel hasn't proved anything right now.

[Özim]

But nobody is a top manager straight away - Wenger was an unknown and for 7-8 years was great. You never know though - a tier 2 manager could become a tier 1 manager given the chance. I know nothing about the Dortmund guy so cant really comment. I don't really watch any non-English football. A fair bit of work needs to be done to the squad, I cant see Mustafi suddenly knowning how to defend with a new manager in place and still not sure on what Xhaka does.

Interesting that we seem to be willing to let Wilshere and Ramsey go but extend Eleney contract.

No but you always take a chance with unknowns, in all likelyhood they're more likely to fail than succeed.

Let's no use Wenger as an example, I never want another guy like him at the helm, we've had to endure years of frustration because of him and we can question his management ability based on the last 14 years as well.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Will reply to the other laughable post later on as I've got to head off soon.


Again no, Dortmund have been a top side over the years, they had a dip then Klopp brought them back into the limelight, player wise they've had Germany's 2ns best team for years, not coming 2nd is a bad season.

Tuchel won more points in his first season in charge (78) than Klopp did when he first won the BL (75) and only three less than Klopp in his second BL (81).

The only difference was that Bayern weren't as utterly dominant back during that period as they've have been over the last half decade. You're being incredibly hackish here by not factoring in how the scope of German domestic football has changed over the past few years after Bayern decided to get their shit in order after losing those back to back titles to Klopp.

[Özim]

Will reply to the other laughable post later on as I've got to head off soon.



Tuchel won more points in his first season in charge (78) than Klopp did when he first won the BL (75) and only three less than Klopp in his second BL (81).

The only difference was that Bayern weren't as utterly dominant back during that period as they've have been over the last half decade. You're being incredibly hackish here by not factoring in how the scope of German domestic football has changed over the past few years after Bayern decided to get their shit in order after losing those back to back titles to Klopp.

What difference does that make, he came 2nd, Klopps achievement is superior because he won it, to compare it is pointless, it was a different situation with different teams and players.

The point is that Tuchel hasn't achieved anything, his record in the CL isn't that great, he then got knocked out in a pretty embarrassing way of the Europa leauge and Dortmund ended up 3rd in the league which considering their players and that they are the 2nd best team is poor as well.

The reality is he's totally unproven and his record is nothing special and that's my point, would prefer someone with some sort of record of success.

[Power n Glory]

It's one thing saying you'd prefer X guy instead or you don't want him, it's another thing making up ignorant shit like he's mediocre, a loser, overrated or he "failed" when it's clear he has zero idea about how his spell at Dortmund went which is why I called him that.

And if losing 4 - 3 at Anfield to a Klopp Liverpool side makes you a shit manager then god forbid, I'd like to hear your opinion on Pep. It was one bad result where they threw away what should have been a sure win.

And I don't think he's any worse at organising a defence than say a Pep is. Moreover it matters less for managers like them because they utterly dominate team offensively to the point where it rarely matters how well their defence is as long as they have some reasonably competent people back there. In fact there's a famous anecdote about how he met Pep for lunch during his gap year and they spent two hours talking and discussing tactics using the salt & pepper shakers. :lol:

And you can't have it both ways PnG. You can't at one point dismiss Bayern & PSG wanting him by saying even Wenger would win the league there but then at the same time clamour for someone like Allegeri who also wins league titles in a league where one club has it dominated. And for the record, I'd be ecstatic with Allegri.





Wouldn't go that far on Allardyce. He'd make us defensively more secure certainly but we'd struggle to even create a single shot on target.

Everton fans already want him gone.


And Tuchel > Luis Enrique tbh.

The latter didn't do well at Roma.

Allegri also won the league with Milan besides Juve and has taken Juve to the CL final twice. His record in Europe shows that he's not just a manager that's dominant in a one sided league. Also, Serie A has more potential for upsets compared to the Bundesliga. I'd argue Juve's resurgence as a force in Europe comes back to smart managerial appointments with Conte and Allegeri. Inter were dominating for ages until Jose left and Allegeri won it with Milan.

If I had said a massive club like Barca or Bayern were interested in Allegeri as if that somehow validates why I think we should go for him, that would be having it both ways. Tuchel has a very short record with Dortmund. It's not enough for me to know where he's flavour of the month or the real deal. If Brendan Rodgers were linked with Bayern or PSG, would that suddenly make him a better manager?

Doesn't the fact that he fell out so quickly with staff and players concern you? You still haven't answered that one. For Dortmund to let him go so quickly says a lot. Again, not saying he is shit, just saying it's a big risk.

[Niall_Quinn]

All I know is if Wenger really is being replaced by Tuchel in the summer then forget about Tuchel. Honestly. Who the fuck cares who the new manager is? The real news here is Wenger is fucking off. The spell broken. The dictator toppled. The naked emperor finally laughed out of the place.

The next manager doesn't have to stay for 22 years!

The next manager is almost irrelevant. Getting Wenger out is the pay out, the win. After the damage he's done to the club from top to bottom there's nobody out there who can arrive and fix it all in one hit. But we can recover one important aspect of reality, we can become a normal club again in one respect. We'll be able to fire the manager if he fucks it up.

So what possible concerns could we have about Tuchel, compared to Wenger? Of course, get the bloke in. If he wins games then keep him. If he fucks up then fire him. A new concept at Arsenal, granted, but one we should embrace joyously. And that's just one aspect of reality that could be restored.

Personally I don't see it though. I think the old bastard will somehow find a way to hang on, even if it means doing the unthinkable for him and winning something in Europe.

[Power n Glory]

What difference does that make, he came 2nd, Klopps achievement is superior because he won it, to compare it is pointless, it was a different situation with different teams and players.

The point is that Tuchel hasn't achieved anything, his record in the CL isn't that great, he then got knocked out in a pretty embarrassing way of the Europa leauge and Dortmund ended up 3rd in the league which considering their players and that they are the 2nd best team is poor as well.

The reality is he's totally unproven and his record is nothing special and that's my point, would prefer someone with some sort of record of success.

I've heard Tuchel has ruled out a move to Arseanl anyway. If the move were still on, for me, he'd fit in to the 2nd tier of managers we've been linked with.

3rd Teir
Henry
Arteta

2nd Teir
Brendan Rodgers
Joachim Low
Tuchel

1st
Jardim
Luis Enrique
Ancelotti
Allegri


3rd tier are those taking on their first job and that's a risk I'd want to avoid.

2nd tier - managers with serious question marks against their record. Rodgers is the lowest of the 2nd tier for obvious reasons. He has a league title and cups with Celtic but would have to do a lot better in Europe to take him seriously. Low has no recent club experience despite being a WC winner. Managing a club team is a different beast. I'd rate Tuchel over him just because I think Low would have a steep learning curve.

1st teir

League winners. Jardim is the less accomplished but what he has done with Monaco is remarkable. Was close to ranking him ahead of Luis Enrique because Barca are Barca... but you get the idea. Simeone would be in this bracket but we have no chance of getting him.

[Özim]

All I know is if Wenger really is being replaced by Tuchel in the summer then forget about Tuchel. Honestly. Who the fuck cares who the new manager is? The real news here is Wenger is fucking off. The spell broken. The dictator toppled. The naked emperor finally laughed out of the place.

The next manager doesn't have to stay for 22 years!

The next manager is almost irrelevant. Getting Wenger out is the pay out, the win. After the damage he's done to the club from top to bottom there's nobody out there who can arrive and fix it all in one hit. But we can recover one important aspect of reality, we can become a normal club again in one respect. We'll be able to fire the manager if he fucks it up.

So what possible concerns could we have about Tuchel, compared to Wenger? Of course, get the bloke in. If he wins games then keep him. If he fucks up then fire him. A new concept at Arsenal, granted, but one we should embrace joyously. And that's just one aspect of reality that could be restored.

Personally I don't see it though. I think the old bastard will somehow find a way to hang on, even if it means doing the unthinkable for him and winning something in Europe.

Whilst I agree in principle, what also worries me is Arsenal have a history of holding onto managers and not sacking them, so if we got someone substandard, wouldn't surprise me for them to take about 6 years to get rid of him.

[Özim]

I've heard Tuchel has ruled out a move to Arseanl anyway. If the move were still on, for me, he'd fit in to the 2nd tier of managers we've been linked with.

3rd Teir
Henry
Arteta

2nd Teir
Brendan Rodgers
Joachim Low
Tuchel

1st
Jardim
Luis Enrique
Ancelotti
Allegri


3rd tier are those taking on their first job and that's a risk I'd want to avoid.

2nd tier - managers with serious question marks against their record. Rodgers is the lowest of the 2nd tier for obvious reasons. He has a league title and cups with Celtic but would have to do a lot better in Europe to take him seriously. Low has no recent club experience despite being a WC winner. Managing a club team is a different beast. I'd rate Tuchel over him just because I think Low would have a steep learning curve.

1st teir

League winners. Jardim is the less accomplished but what he has done with Monaco is remarkable. Was close to ranking him ahead of Luis Enrique because Barca are Barca... but you get the idea. Simeone would be in this bracket but we have no chance of getting him.

I'm with you, the like of Jardim, Allegri would be good, Simeone would be great too but realistically that won't happen as you say, if he moved it would be to one of the elite clubs.

Not really interested in 2nd tier managers personally, managers who haven't really delivered, if i had to choose I'd probably rather take a chance on an Henry or a 3rd tier guy (Vieira?)then go for the 2nd tier, at least with the untested there's a chance they could turn out top notch as has happened a few times, 2nd tier for me have already kinda proved the aren't quite good enough to be top bracket.

[Niall_Quinn]

I've heard Tuchel has ruled out a move to Arseanl anyway. If the move were still on, for me, he'd fit in to the 2nd tier of managers we've been linked with.

3rd Teir
Henry
Arteta

2nd Teir
Brendan Rodgers
Joachim Low
Tuchel

1st
Jardim
Luis Enrique
Ancelotti
Allegri


3rd tier are those taking on their first job and that's a risk I'd want to avoid.

2nd tier - managers with serious question marks against their record. Rodgers is the lowest of the 2nd tier for obvious reasons. He has a league title and cups with Celtic but would have to do a lot better in Europe to take him seriously. Low has no recent club experience despite being a WC winner. Managing a club team is a different beast. I'd rate Tuchel over him just because I think Low would have a steep learning curve.

1st teir

League winners. Jardim is the less accomplished but what he has done with Monaco is remarkable. Was close to ranking him ahead of Luis Enrique because Barca are Barca... but you get the idea. Simeone would be in this bracket but we have no chance of getting him.

This is like a tramp being invited in off the street and then criticising the menu. Getting fed is the key, not quibbling about Michelin stars.

[Niall_Quinn]

Whilst I agree in principle, what also worries me is Arsenal have a history of holding onto managers and not sacking them, so if we got someone substandard, wouldn't surprise me for them to take about 6 years to get rid of him.

That has to change. If we're just looking for another Wenger then we're done anyway. It's the philosophy of the club that has to change, just as much as the manager has to be changed. The manager needs to serve the new philosophy, not the other way around as it has been for all these years.

Regardless, the new guy doesn't come in with that "look what he's done for the club" get out of jail free (a thousand times) card. Ridding ourselves of the cult of Wenger will automatically remove many problems.

[Özim]

That has to change. If we're just looking for another Wenger then we're done anyway. It's the philosophy of the club that has to change, just as much as the manager has to be changed. The manager needs to serve the new philosophy, not the other way around as it has been for all these years.

Regardless, the new guy doesn't come in with that "look what he's done for the club" get out of jail free (a thousand times) card. Ridding ourselves of the cult of Wenger will automatically remove many problems.

Totally agree, just not sure if the club do, ideally a manager comes in and has to prove he's good enough (he'll need a couple seasons at least go sort things out and put his own stamp after the mess that's been left), if he doesn't he should be sacked.

[Niall_Quinn]

Totally agree, just not sure if the club do, ideally a manager comes in and has to prove he's good enough (he'll need a couple seasons at least go sort things out and put his own stamp after the mess that's been left), if he doesn't he should be sacked.

Yep. A serious title challenge within 2 years or out and get the next guy. Football has changed. There's no advantage to a manager hanging on for years now because the players aren't being brought up at the club and seeing out their careers with one club. It's all a transfer merry-go-round and there's no loyalty anywhere. Just the way it is and Wenger trying to buck that reality (even if he's right about the state of football in principle) has given us a bunch of comfortable players that are happy with second best - disastrous for a competitive sports team. Having a manager with his own neck on the line will solve that problem.

[Power n Glory]

This is like a tramp being invited in off the street and then criticising the menu. Getting fed is the key, not quibbling about Michelin stars.

That's an insult to the fans. Not all of us stupid or willing accept whatever is served up. You're comparing us to tramps? So we should like it or lump it? No thanks.

[Letters]

Not all of us stupid or willing accept whatever is served up.

Speak for yourself :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

That's an insult to the fans. Not all of us stupid or willing accept whatever is served up. You're comparing us to tramps? So we should like it or lump it? No thanks.

The fans are a big part of what has happened at this club. That day when the majority sang for Wenger when a minority finally tried to stand up - that should be etched on every gooner's brain. That's when the divide turned into a gulf. There are no innocent parties at this clusterfuck.

We know we aren't hiring Allardyce or anyone from that bunch - although they would do a much better job than Wenger, btw. So we come down to the realistic choices (if Wenger hasn't fucked things up so badly that choice has become a luxury). Pick anyone, who cares? Seriously? What difference does it make? We all know a new manager could go one way or the other. It could be a great fit or a lousy mismatch, we won't know until we try. This has been the big warning from the Wenger cultists - be careful, we might get somebody who's as bad as Wenger (even though they don't admit to the Wenger being shit part). Yes, we might. We might not. All that matters is the Wenger spell is broken.

The way I see it, if he's really going at the end of this season then the new guy gets a free year where even if he fucks it up totally it's no loss compared to the alternative, Wenger staying until 2019. So I don't know what anyone is worried about. Get the useless turd Wenger out - job done. That's success right there. Everything else is gravy. And there are very few fans left who will be insulted - maybe the diehard cultists like Ty and Letters and Chris Wenger, but who gives a fuck about them?

[Globalgunner]

That's an insult to the fans. Not all of us stupid or willing accept whatever is served up. You're comparing us to tramps? So we should like it or lump it? No thanks.

All you've done now is live up to your moniker. You are a deluded tramp. Eat the grub and be happy

[Power n Glory]

The fans are a big part of what has happened at this club. That day when the majority sang for Wenger when a minority finally tried to stand up - that should be etched on every gooner's brain. That's when the divide turned into a gulf. There are no innocent parties at this clusterfuck.

We know we aren't hiring Allardyce or anyone from that bunch - although they would do a much better job than Wenger, btw. So we come down to the realistic choices (if Wenger hasn't fucked things up so badly that choice has become a luxury). Pick anyone, who cares? Seriously? What difference does it make? We all know a new manager could go one way or the other. It could be a great fit or a lousy mismatch, we won't know until we try. This has been the big warning from the Wenger cultists - be careful, we might get somebody who's as bad as Wenger (even though they don't admit to the Wenger being shit part). Yes, we might. We might not. All that matters is the Wenger spell is broken.

The way I see it, if he's really going at the end of this season then the new guy gets a free year where even if he fucks it up totally it's no loss compared to the alternative, Wenger staying until 2019. So I don't know what anyone is worried about. Get the useless turd Wenger out - job done. That's success right there. Everything else is gravy. And there are very few fans left who will be insulted - maybe the diehard cultists like Ty and Letters and Chris Wenger, but who gives a fuck about them?

I'm willing to give the new guy a chance.... any new guy. But that doesn't mean I stop thinking and talking about who I'd like to see get for the job or how they fit in. For once, this is a fresh conversation that Wenger's presence doesn't have to drag down.

[fakeyank]

:lol: only on goonersweb do people argue about something that has 0% chance of happening.

:gp:

:haha:

[selassie]

Wenger says he's being discriminated against because of his age. :haha:

Excuse after excuse.

:haha:

I read that too...honestly speechless!

[Letters]

And there are very few fans left who will be insulted - maybe the diehard cultists like Ty and Letters and Chris Wenger, but who gives a fuck about them?
:lol:

Lying :bow:

[Power n Glory]

:haha:

I read that too...honestly speechless!

Ridiculous considering he's the one that introduced the 30+ 1 year contract.

I hope they fire him.

[selassie]

I've heard Tuchel has ruled out a move to Arseanl anyway. If the move were still on, for me, he'd fit in to the 2nd tier of managers we've been linked with.

3rd Teir
Henry
Arteta

2nd Teir
Brendan Rodgers
Joachim Low
Tuchel

1st
Jardim
Luis Enrique
Ancelotti
Allegri


3rd tier are those taking on their first job and that's a risk I'd want to avoid.

2nd tier - managers with serious question marks against their record. Rodgers is the lowest of the 2nd tier for obvious reasons. He has a league title and cups with Celtic but would have to do a lot better in Europe to take him seriously. Low has no recent club experience despite being a WC winner. Managing a club team is a different beast. I'd rate Tuchel over him just because I think Low would have a steep learning curve.

1st teir

League winners. Jardim is the less accomplished but what he has done with Monaco is remarkable. Was close to ranking him ahead of Luis Enrique because Barca are Barca... but you get the idea. Simeone would be in this bracket but we have no chance of getting him.

Nicely summarised, Allegri should be our first choice and we should move heaven and earth to get him here. The rumours are he is keen and I have heard Ivan G rates him very highly and wants him here.

Jardim or Enrique would be nice too...I would actually prefer Jardim ahead of Enrique.

I am personally not convinced of any of the 2nd tier Managers...whilst Low has done some great work with the German National Team his record at Club management isn't anything to write home about. Despite this he is a winner...so that is a big plus.

[selassie]

Ridiculous considering he's the one that introduced the 30+ 1 year contract.

I hope they fire him.

Yep, I want him fired too.

The thing with Wenger is that I wouldn't have such an issue with him if he was upfront and honest.

He's basically full of shit, constantly making excuses and shifting the goalpost, it's become cringe worthy.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:

Lying :bow:

Seeing through your lie :bow:

"I want Wenger gone... But, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and built the whole club with his bare hands... nom, nom, nom!"

[Power n Glory]

Nicely summarised, Allegri should be our first choice and we should move heaven and earth to get him here. The rumours are he is keen and I have heard Ivan G rates him very highly and wants him here.

Jardim or Enrique would be nice too...I would actually prefer Jardim ahead of Enrique.

I am personally not convinced of any of the 2nd tier Managers...whilst Low has done some great work with the German National Team his record at Club management isn't anything to write home about. Despite this he is a winner...so that is a big plus.

Yeah, I think I'd prefer Jardim over Luis Enrique too. I place Enrique over Jardim because of the accomplishments but when it comes to that Barca machine... hard to give all that credit to the manager.

[Letters]

"I want Wenger gone... But, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and built the whole club with his bare hands... nom, nom, nom!"
Ah, doubling down on the lie :lol:

:console:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ah, doubling down on the lie :lol:

:console:

Hard to call it a lie when you have countless posts on here demonstrating my claim. But you are going to give it a try anyway I see.

[dostoy]

Why argue, we all want Wenger out don't we.

My first choice would be Conte if Chelsea get rid of him, failing that then it has to be Ancelotti.

I cannot see Allegri leaving Juventus to come here.

[Mac76]

We know we aren't hiring Allardyce or anyone from that bunch - although they would do a much better job than Wenger, btw.

no they wouldn't - much as i want him to go, i would rather stick with Wenger than swap him for Allardyce, Rodgers or any other moron like that - to finally get rid of Wenger and then hire someone as s**t as them would be the final joke on us :angry:

[selassie]

Why argue, we all want Wenger out don't we.

My first choice would be Conte if Chelsea get rid of him, failing that then it has to be Ancelotti.

I cannot see Allegri leaving Juventus to come here.

Conte is a good manager but his recruitment at Chelsea has been very sketchy. Barkley and Drinkwater are very questionable buys, in Drinkwater's case that was a lot of money spent on an average player IMO. If either player would have been bought by Arsenal this place would have been in meltdown!

I also question how much Conte has developed players in his time at Chelsea.

His track record is very good though and he seems pretty good at extracting high quality performances out of his teams at times...his record this season at Chelsea though is very questionable...

[selassie]

Yeah, I think I'd prefer Jardim over Luis Enrique too. I place Enrique over Jardim because of the accomplishments but when it comes to that Barca machine... hard to give all that credit to the manager.

Yep, I think Jardim is good at building teams which is kind of what we need. Enrique had all the tools he needed at Barca. I think he did well there considering but I don't view him as an Elite manager. Jardim is close to Elite IMO, that team he built at Monaco last season was world class, he developed a lot of those players too.

[Letters]

Hard to call it a lie when you have countless posts on here demonstrating my claim. But you are going to give it a try anyway I see.

I used to think you were a clever person pretending to be a stupid person. Maybe I got that the wrong way round...

But, for the hard of thinking, I'll have a go at explaining one more time.


"I want Wenger gone...
OK, you got that bit right. That actually is what I think. So far, so good.


But, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread

No, that's the lie bit and you know it is. He was (note the past tense) revolutionary back in the day and did amazing things for us.
Football has moved on and he hasn't and he has now been left behind.
I outlined my thoughts about this at some length in a post some time back and you agreed so why the boring straw man now?


and built the whole club with his bare hands

And another lie. Wenger is a fairly significant part of our current status as a global club and responsible for our current expectation levels - where the FA Cup and 5th place is seen as a failure.
No-one achieves success alone though.

You can't point to a single post where I've said anything as extreme as you claim and you know it, so give it a rest with the boring WUMming.

[Letters]

Why argue, we all want Wenger out don't we.
We do, but now just to create an argument that is no longer enough.
Now you have to hate him, think he's the worst manager around and bonus points if you can claim he was never any good in the first place.
#FourYorkshiremen...
All a bit silly really.

[Mac76]

Conte is a good manager but his recruitment at Chelsea has been very sketchy. Barkley and Drinkwater are very questionable buys, in Drinkwater's case that was a lot of money spent on an average player IMO. If either player would have been bought by Arsenal this place would have been in meltdown!

I also question how much Conte has developed players in his time at Chelsea.

His track record is very good though and he seems pretty good at extracting high quality performances out of his teams at times...his record this season at Chelsea though is very questionable...

Barkley's a dud but Drinkwater's been very solid this season and getting praise

i'm slightly bothered by Conte's managing to win the league but still fall out with the Chelski heriarchy, but i think he would be good for us - a real breath of fresh air, kick the players up the arse and drive through change at the club

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Thing is I don't care, had he been successful you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't have got the sack, they sacked him for their own reasons and clearly didn't value him enough not to, because as I said before he's totally unproven, no record of success and inherited an already top team from Klopp, a team who had largely down very well in the CL.


Stop being such a ridiculous man. It was literally a matter of public record the bad blood between Tuchel and the management team, even to the extent where Tuchel banned Sven from the training ground and apparently didn't even speak to him for almost a year. Why do you keep ignoring this just to push your head cannon?

Read Zorc & Watzke's comments on his dismissal,

"worn ourselves out during this time in our dealings with the coaching team."

"It's about basic values such as trust, respect, teamwork and communication skills, about authority and identity. It's about reliability and loyalty.

"Unfortunately, we couldn't see a basis for continued work together built on trust with a successful outlook in the current personnel constellation."


The breakdown in relationship made his position untenable.

And Klopp nearly got the same team relegated the season before so yeah that's not true either. Unlike Tuchel, Klopp struggled to cope with Dortmund's best players being poached season after season.




As for your point about beng close to Bayern, 10 and 18 points isn't close in my book, close would be within a few points maybe but not 10 or 18 and his current record if very relevant, it's all we have to judge him by therefore what he's achieved is important and right now it's not impressive at all.


He got the same points tally in the first season that a lot of teams that win the Bundesliga (like Klopp's Dortmund team) get. What's so difficult to understand & appreciate about that?

Bayern being unbelievable for a few seasons doesn't change that fact.




As for other clubs wanting him, so what, I couldn't care less, as PNG said they have infinite resources and mickey mouse could win the league with them.


Big, well run clubs don't appoint mickey mouse managers.




I've noticed how some people get hold of the names of some unproven nobodies (whether it be players or managers) and then become somewhat fixated on the fact they are the best thing since sliced bread, remember people going nuts over Isaksson and he proved rubbish, howabout we let someone prove themselves and have some success before we start to think they're a gift from the gods, remember Moyes, he was flavour of the day once upon the time and then employed by Man U, we all know what happened next.


I love you absoutlist logic. Because some people were wrong about some managers/players in the past that means I'm wrong here. :rolleyes:



As for the football, Dortmund played amazing football before he arrived under Kloppp (much like Liverpool do) so let's not go overboard, Klopp built Dortmund, getting them to CL finals and challenging Bayern, Tuchel just took over an already well established club with top players.


He took over a club in crisis that was at one point on the verge of getting relegated by Klopp and where the players were literally having to go and publicly apologise to the fans to calm them down.

He turned around that mess in the space of a year.



Again no, Dortmund have been a top side over the years, they had a dip then Klopp brought them back into the limelight, player wise they've had Germany's 2ns best team for years, not coming 2nd is a bad season.

I'll further add that this doesn't counter the point I made to Blink.

Yes Dortmund are the second biggest team in Germany (Schalke the third) but that doesn't mean the gap in terms of resources between them and Bayern isn't enormous!! Their best player kept getting stolen by Bayern for several years in a row against their will (Lewandowski, Gotze, Hummels etc) - that simply doesn't happen here because there's more equality. It's rare to see Chelsea/Utd forced to lose their best player to City!

Stop being dense.



Moreover the top managers all build teams who can defend as well as attack, not interested in getting a manager who is defensively naive because you'll never win anything of note with a dodgy defence, over a decade of that should be conclusive proof, Guardiola etc build teams with good defences, that's one of the reasons they win stuff, when the attack doesn't play well they can still grind out results.

lol Pep's not a particularly great defensive manager. He gets around it by spending big on competent defenders (Laporte, Mendy, Walker etc).



Whether you rate Enrique or not and I'm not a big fan, he won the treble including the CL which is a much better achievement than anything Tuchel has done, so right now Enrique is certainly better, Tuchel hasn't proved anything right now.

Did you see the Barca team that he had? Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Rakitic, Iniesta ....... that's far better than anything that Tuchel had to work with. The guy had probably the best front three in the past decade. It's not a fair comparison of managerial abilities.

The fact that he failed in his second season despite the abundance of riches he had isn't a good reflection for him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I know I'm being a bit glib but is it Wenger Out based on this thread? I'm confused.

[Cripps]

:lol: I've just caught up with 5 pages of debates, arguments and insults.

Goonersweb is well and truly back. And all because of me :bow:

When are they building a statue? :bow:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Allegri also won the league with Milan besides Juve and has taken Juve to the CL final twice. His record in Europe shows that he's not just a manager that's dominant in a one sided league. Also, Serie A has more potential for upsets compared to the Bundesliga. I'd argue Juve's resurgence as a force in Europe comes back to smart managerial appointments with Conte and Allegeri. Inter were dominating for ages until Jose left and Allegeri won it with Milan.

If I had said a massive club like Barca or Bayern were interested in Allegeri as if that somehow validates why I think we should go for him, that would be having it both ways. Tuchel has a very short record with Dortmund. It's not enough for me to know where he's flavour of the month or the real deal. If Brendan Rodgers were linked with Bayern or PSG, would that suddenly make him a better manager?

Doesn't the fact that he fell out so quickly with staff and players concern you? You still haven't answered that one. For Dortmund to let him go so quickly says a lot. Again, not saying he is shit, just saying it's a big risk.

I'd argue that Juve's successes has been due to their fantastic transfer policy - getting in Pogba for free and selling him for 89 million, using that money to buy Higuain, getting in the likes of Khedira & Matuidi cheaply etc .... but I don't really want to get into a protracted debate about that. Allegri is a fantastic manager and unlike Zim I don't feel the need to diss him because I also like someone else (Tuchel).

That's a farfetched hypothetical though because there's no way that Brendan Rodgers would be credibly linked to Barca or PSG. If he was then I'd be prepared to rethink my opinion of him.

A bit but I don't think it's a major concern, at least not to the extent of passing over him if he's available. Bear in mind one of the reasons he fell out with the Dortmund management team is because they sold THREE of his best players despite getting assurances that they wouldn't - this is less likely to happen to us as we're much richer than Dortmund and less susceptible to that these days.

Furthermore as we're all know he'll get a much more freedom here to do what he wants because of our absentee owner & chairman, plus I do think he's probably learnt some lessons from his time at Dortmund. At any rate, if we get three or four excellent seasons out of him before it goes tits up then I'd be happy - no one's going to do a Wenger/Ferguson anymore.


I've heard Tuchel has ruled out a move to Arseanl anyway. If the move were still on, for me, he'd fit in to the 2nd tier of managers we've been linked with.

3rd Teir
Henry
Arteta

2nd Teir
Brendan Rodgers
Joachim Low
Tuchel

1st
Jardim
Luis Enrique
Ancelotti
Allegri


3rd tier are those taking on their first job and that's a risk I'd want to avoid.

2nd tier - managers with serious question marks against their record. Rodgers is the lowest of the 2nd tier for obvious reasons. He has a league title and cups with Celtic but would have to do a lot better in Europe to take him seriously. Low has no recent club experience despite being a WC winner. Managing a club team is a different beast. I'd rate Tuchel over him just because I think Low would have a steep learning curve.

1st teir

League winners. Jardim is the less accomplished but what he has done with Monaco is remarkable. Was close to ranking him ahead of Luis Enrique because Barca are Barca... but you get the idea. Simeone would be in this bracket but we have no chance of getting him.

Why do you rate Ancelotti so highly? His league performances in competitive leagues is almost as bad as Wenger's. And by all accounts his management style is exactly like Wenger's .... act the father figure, be the guy who puts an arms around the shoulder and let the players work it out on the pitch, i.e. hands off. The last thing we need right now.


Tier 0 - Simeone

Tier 1 - Tuchel, Jardim, Allegri

Tier 2 - Luis Enrique, Hasenhüttl, Sarri, Conte, Tedesco, Low

Tier 3 - Henry, Arteta, Vieira (not the poster)

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol: I've just caught up with 5 pages of debates, arguments and insults.

Goonersweb is well and truly back. And all because of me :bow:

When are they building a statue? :bow:

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[Letters]

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Dammit! :lol:

I was just looking for something to post and had a similar idea. By the time I found something you'd posted this.

[Power n Glory]

I'd argue that Juve's successes has been due to their fantastic transfer policy - getting in Pogba for free and selling him for 89 million, using that money to buy Higuain, getting in the likes of Khedira & Matuidi cheaply etc .... but I don't really want to get into a protracted debate about that. Allegri is a fantastic manager and unlike Zim I don't feel the need to diss him because I also like someone else (Tuchel).

That's a farfetched hypothetical though because there's no way that Brendan Rodgers would be credibly linked to Barca or PSG. If he was then I'd be prepared to rethink my opinion of him.

A bit but I don't think it's a major concern, at least not to the extent of passing over him if he's available. Bear in mind one of the reasons he fell out with the Dortmund management team is because they sold THREE of his best players despite getting assurances that they wouldn't - this is less likely to happen to us as we're much richer than Dortmund and less susceptible to that these days.

Furthermore as we're all know he'll get a much more freedom here to do what he wants because of our absentee owner & chairman, plus I do think he's probably learnt some lessons from his time at Dortmund. At any rate, if we get three or four excellent seasons out of him before it goes tits up then I'd be happy - no one's going to do a Wenger/Ferguson anymore.



Why do you rate Ancelotti so highly? His league performances in competitive leagues is almost as bad as Wenger's. And by all accounts his management style is exactly like Wenger's .... act the father figure, be the guy who puts an arms around the shoulder and let the players work it out on the pitch, i.e. hands off. The last thing we need right now.


Tier 0 - Simeone

Tier 1 - Tuchel, Jardim, Allegri

Tier 2 - Luis Enrique, Hasenhüttl, Sarri, Conte, Tedesco, Low

Tier 3 - Henry, Arteta, Vieira (not the poster)

How do you have Tuchel ahead of Conte and Luis Enrique? You're really going hard for someone with two seasons under his belt at Dortmund and has yet to win a title. If he has potential, he still has to actually do and not live off 'would could have been' stories. He's not coming here but we'll soon see what he's all about.

[Cripps]

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:lol:

[Cripps]

How do you have Tuchel ahead of Conte and Luis Enrique? You're really going hard for someone with two seasons under his belt at Dortmund and has yet to win a title. If he has potential, he still has to actually do and not live off 'would could have been' stories. He's not coming here but we'll soon see what he's all about.

Tbf Enrique was managing the best team in the world :coffee:

Tuchel with his style of football would have probably won similar amount of trophies if he was managing Barca :coffee:

Sometime it's about circumstance too :coffee:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

How do you have Tuchel ahead of Conte and Luis Enrique? You're really going hard for someone with two seasons under his belt at Dortmund and has yet to win a title. If he has potential, he still has to actually do and not live off 'would could have been' stories. He's not coming here but we'll soon see what he's all about.

I'm slightly worried that Conte's burned out tbh. He's seemed to have struggled once teams started figuring out how to play against his three at the back system. Usually he'd come up with something else but he's seemed to have struggled this year motivating himself - the poisonous nature of the Chelsea job doesn't help things mind you.

And like Cripps says, Tuchel would have won the treble with that Barca team. He'd probably have won back to back trebles - it was a ridiculous team.


Yes I rate him very highly and his style is the most suited for our club. Most people I know who watch German football a lot also do as well.

[Power n Glory]

Tbf Enrique was managing the best team in the world :coffee:

Tuchel with his style of football would have probably won similar amount of trophies if he was managing Barca :coffee:

Sometime it's about circumstance too :coffee:

Living in the hypothetical. Until he does it, you can't rank a guy with one domestic trophy under his belt along side a treble winner.

[Power n Glory]

I'm slightly worried that Conte's burned out tbh. He's seemed to have struggled once teams started figuring out how to play against his three at the back system. Usually he'd come up with something else but he's seemed to have struggled this year motivating himself - the poisonous nature of the Chelsea job doesn't help things mind you.

And like Cripps says, Tuchel would have won the treble with that Barca team. He'd probably have won back to back trebles - it was a ridiculous team.


Yes I rate him very highly and his style is the most suited for our club. Most people I know who watch German football a lot also do as well.

Tuchel couldn't beat Liverpool in the Uefa Cup! Calm down.

[Cripps]

Living in the hypothetical. Until he does it, you can't rank a guy with one domestic trophy under his belt along side a treble winner.

You see my point though:shrug:

Context does come into debates especially in football. It's not black and white:shrug:

[Power n Glory]

You see my point though:shrug:

Context does come into debates especially in football. It's not black and white:shrug:

I get what you're saying about the Barca machine, but not many win the treble. That's a feat I even forget but have to acknowledge. Not many are able to pull it off. Real Madrid have never done it despite the teams and coaches they've had. Rijkaard couldn't do it with Barca. Coaches that came after Pep haven't been able to pull it off. It's just been Luis Enrique so far. It's a super powerful team but not many deliver on what's expected when you have that sort of expectation on you.

[Cripps]

I get what you're saying about the Barca machine, but not many win the treble. That's a feat I even forget but have to acknowledge. Not many are able to pull it off. Real Madrid have never done it despite the teams and coaches they've had. Rijkaard couldn't do it with Barca. Coaches that came after Pep haven't been able to pull it off. It's just been Luis Enrique so far. It's a super powerful team but not many deliver on what's expected when you have that sort of expectation on you.

The argument against Tuchel is mainly that he's overrated because he's won nothing of note. All I'm saying is that it's because he was managing Dortmund and if he had been manager of Barca, he would more than likely have won at least the domestic title. Yes it's hypothetical but all I'm pointing out is that context can be applied to think logically in this sort of situation :shrug:

Also you say Tuchel was a destabilising manager but Enrique fell out with key Barca stars too, notably Messi, who apparently wanted him gone. So you can't hold that against Tuchel but let it go for Enrique:shrug:

[Özim]

Stop being such a ridiculous man. It was literally a matter of public record the bad blood between Tuchel and the management team, even to the extent where Tuchel banned Sven from the training ground and apparently didn't even speak to him for almost a year. Why do you keep ignoring this just to push your head cannon?

Read Zorc & Watzke's comments on his dismissal,

"worn ourselves out during this time in our dealings with the coaching team."

"It's about basic values such as trust, respect, teamwork and communication skills, about authority and identity. It's about reliability and loyalty.

"Unfortunately, we couldn't see a basis for continued work together built on trust with a successful outlook in the current personnel constellation."


The breakdown in relationship made his position untenable.

And Klopp nearly got the same team relegated the season before so yeah that's not true either. Unlike Tuchel, Klopp struggled to cope with Dortmund's best players being poached season after season.

He got the same points tally in the first season that a lot of teams that win the Bundesliga (like Klopp's Dortmund team) get. What's so difficult to understand & appreciate about that?

Bayern being unbelievable for a few seasons doesn't change that fact.

Klopp had years of success and one bad season, but overall Klopp did a great job, he brought Dortmund back to the top, you can't look at one season and ignore all his other seasons. Klopp won 2 titles and got them to a CL final, he also made them one of the best teams in Europe and great to watch.

As for Tuchel, in my eyes he struggled, as I said 3rd in the league, knocked out of CL and knocked out of the Europa, that's struggling in my book, regardless of why he was sacked, the fact is he lost his job, had he been winning stuff it would have been different, the guy is entirely unproven, the Dortmund side he inherited had one bad season but were a top top side, make no mistake, moreover it's not a good sign when a guy falls out with everyone at a club.



Big, well run clubs don't appoint mickey mouse managers.

So far they haven't appointed him, so even if that's true he'snever had a job at one of those clubs.




I love you absoutlist logic. Because some people were wrong about some managers/players in the past that means I'm wrong here. :rolleyes:

No it doesn't but this belief in a guy who hasn't achieved just because a few people think he's good (like they did with Moyes and many others before) is equally misplaced, when he's won something of note then you might have a point, right now it's mere hype.



He took over a club in crisis that was at one point on the verge of getting relegated by Klopp and where the players were literally having to go and publicly apologise to the fans to calm them down.

He turned around that mess in the space of a year.

That's sensationalist nonsense sorry, this was a club with the 2nd best group of players in the country that had one off season (much like teams in England have had), plus they ended 7th which is nowhere near relegation anyway



Yes Dortmund are the second biggest team in Germany (Schalke the third) but that doesn't mean the gap in terms of resources between them and Bayern isn't enormous!! Their best player kept getting stolen by Bayern for several years in a row against their will (Lewandowski, Gotze, Hummels etc) - that simply doesn't happen here because there's more equality. It's rare to see Chelsea/Utd forced to lose their best player to City!

Stop being dense.

I never said it wasn't I said Dortmund were the 2nd biggest club, Klopp certainly managed to win 2 bundesligue at a time when Bayern were very strong, they got to the CL final in the 2nd year he won it and won it the following year which is better than they've done since, so your point about Bayern is ridiculous, they were if anything stronger then as proved by their CL performances.





lol Pep's not a particularly great defensive manager. He gets around it by spending big on competent defenders (Laporte, Mendy, Walker etc).

:lol: So he buys good defenders and his team defend well but you laugh at my point about being able to defend, doesn't matter how you achieve it as long as your team can defend, Tuchels teams can't end of.



Did you see the Barca team that he had? Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Rakitic, Iniesta ....... that's far better than anything that Tuchel had to work with. The guy had probably the best front three in the past decade. It's not a fair comparison of managerial abilities.

The fact that he failed in his second season despite the abundance of riches he had isn't a good reflection for him.

He still won the CL which is a very hard competition to win and has the other big guns like Real and achieved the treble, it's easy to dismiss but at the end of the day Real are quite some competition, that's why they've won the CL so many times in recent years and doing the treble is very rare as well.

[Özim]

Tuchel couldn't beat Liverpool in the Uefa Cup! Calm down.

Spot on, it was ashocking capitulation and showed his tactical naivety IMO, that game was done and dusted and somehow they lost the tie, what's worse is that Liverpool weren't even all that great they ended up 8th in the league, Klopp (a guy who had proven himself at Dortmund) totally outsmarted Tuchel (a guy who IMO benefited from what Klopp had built greatly).

[Power n Glory]

The argument against Tuchel is mainly that he's overrated because he's won nothing of note. All I'm saying is that it's because he was managing Dortmund and if he had been manager of Barca, he would more than likely have won at least the domestic title. Yes it's hypothetical but all I'm pointing out is that context can be applied to think logically in this sort of situation :shrug:

Also you say Tuchel was a destabilising manager but Enrique fell out with key Barca stars too, notably Messi, who apparently wanted him gone. So you can't hold that against Tuchel but let it go for Enrique:shrug:

:doh: Enrique had won La Liga twice and done the Treble before getting sacked. Conte has won multiple titles with Juve and won a title with Chelsea. He's managed Italy! Yet you'd rank Tuchel as a teir one manager with only a domestic cup to his name above both of them?

With that sort of logical thinking, you could rank Brendan Rodgers and Arsene Wenger as top teir managers.

Zim was right to point out that fans on here were pulling the same hypothetical calculations for David Moyes until he finally landed a top job at Man Utd and was totally exposed. We all used to think the same about Wenger with the 'what could have been' scenarios if he had more money! It's only after seeing a consistent pattern of CL run failures and seeing that Wenger has a serious mental block in Europe that we realised that Wenger has a problem and it's not the personnel.

After two seasons with Dortmund, it is too short of a window to rank Tuchel with the guys that have actually won league titles and stronger records in Europe. Let's just wait and see what he does.

[selassie]

I'd argue that Juve's successes has been due to their fantastic transfer policy - getting in Pogba for free and selling him for 89 million, using that money to buy Higuain, getting in the likes of Khedira & Matuidi cheaply etc .... but I don't really want to get into a protracted debate about that. Allegri is a fantastic manager and unlike Zim I don't feel the need to diss him because I also like someone else (Tuchel).

That's a farfetched hypothetical though because there's no way that Brendan Rodgers would be credibly linked to Barca or PSG. If he was then I'd be prepared to rethink my opinion of him.

A bit but I don't think it's a major concern, at least not to the extent of passing over him if he's available. Bear in mind one of the reasons he fell out with the Dortmund management team is because they sold THREE of his best players despite getting assurances that they wouldn't - this is less likely to happen to us as we're much richer than Dortmund and less susceptible to that these days.

Furthermore as we're all know he'll get a much more freedom here to do what he wants because of our absentee owner & chairman, plus I do think he's probably learnt some lessons from his time at Dortmund. At any rate, if we get three or four excellent seasons out of him before it goes tits up then I'd be happy - no one's going to do a Wenger/Ferguson anymore.



Why do you rate Ancelotti so highly? His league performances in competitive leagues is almost as bad as Wenger's. And by all accounts his management style is exactly like Wenger's .... act the father figure, be the guy who puts an arms around the shoulder and let the players work it out on the pitch, i.e. hands off. The last thing we need right now.


Tier 0 - Simeone

Tier 1 - Tuchel, Jardim, Allegri

Tier 2 - Luis Enrique, Hasenhüttl, Sarri, Conte, Tedesco, Low

Tier 3 - Henry, Arteta, Vieira (not the poster)

TEG, there is absolutely no way Tuchel is on the same level as Jardim and Allegri. What are you basing this on?

Also you are rating Tuchel above Conte?!!! :lol:

[Özim]

You can see that Tuchel is way way overhyped just from this board, seems to be flavour of the week in the press too, so people jump on the bandwagon.

Sorry but you can't compare a guy who has had two seasons, where his performance wasn't all that great with managers who have actually won trophies, not being funny but he's totally unproven, he needs to get another job at a non elite club and deliver before he can even come close to be considered top class.

In my eyes his performance at Dortmund wasn't great, it would be different if he'd built a team that looked the part, but IMO his team played good football yes, but weren't ruthless enough and were shocking defensively (remind you of anyone?).

As I said before we need a more disciplined coach who can drill our defence, make us a better unit and is more tactically astute, someone who doesn't just send out his team to play the same way regardless of opposition.

[Özim]

TEG, there is absolutely no way Tuchel is on the same level as Jardim and Allegri. What are you basing this on?

Also you are rating Tuchel above Conte?!!! :lol:

It's baseless, we're comparing guys who have won big trophies in big leagues with a guy that's only one a tin pot trophy, tht's why I say this guy is way too overhyped, you'd think he'd won the treble and outdone Bayern by the way some people are talking.

[selassie]

Barkley's a dud but Drinkwater's been very solid this season and getting praise

i'm slightly bothered by Conte's managing to win the league but still fall out with the Chelski heriarchy, but i think he would be good for us - a real breath of fresh air, kick the players up the arse and drive through change at the club

Drinkwater is OK...but from the little I have seen of Chelsea he doesn't start for them in the big games.

I think they could of got a better player for the 35million they spent on him. He doesn't really excel in anything...and I certainly wouldn't want him at Arsenal.

My point here is that from what I understand, Conte threw his toys out the pram because the hierarchy at Chelsea weren't prepared to back him with big signings. He settled for mediocrity IMO, the likes of Drinkwater and Barkley don't improve Chelsea. We slate Wenger for making these types of signings...and I certainly wouldn't want Conte here spending millions on Duds.

[Cripps]

:doh: Enrique had won La Liga twice and done the Treble before getting sacked. Conte has won multiple titles with Juve and won a title with Chelsea. He's managed Italy! Yet you'd rank Tuchel as a teir one manager with only a domestic cup to his name above both of them?

With that sort of logical thinking, you could rank Brendan Rodgers and Arsene Wenger as top teir managers.

Zim was right to point out that fans on here were pulling the same hypothetical calculations for David Moyes until he finally landed a top job at Man Utd and was totally exposed. We all used to think the same about Wenger with the 'what could have been' scenarios if he had more money! It's only after seeing a consistent pattern of CL run failures and seeing that Wenger has a serious mental block in Europe that we realised that Wenger has a problem and it's not the personnel.

After two seasons with Dortmund, it is too short of a window to rank Tuchel with the guys that have actually won league titles and stronger records in Europe. Let's just wait and see what he does.

Enrique doesn't excite me for some reason :shrug:

He was average at Roma where he won 17 and lost 16, and had a 37% win ratio at Celta. He went to Barca and won everything but as I've mentioned already, winning at Barca isn't really that difficult :shrug: He had the best players and infrastructure at his disposal, I don't know why but Tuchel seems more appealing and excites me more despite winning less :unsure:

[Power n Glory]

TEG, there is absolutely no way Tuchel is on the same level as Jardim and Allegri. What are you basing this on?

Also you are rating Tuchel above Conte?!!! :lol:

Smoking!

[Power n Glory]

Enrique doesn't excite me for some reason :shrug:

He was average at Roma where he won 17 and lost 16, and had a 37% win ratio at Celta. He went to Barca and won everything but as I've mentioned already, winning at Barca isn't really that difficult :shrug: He had the best players and infrastructure at his disposal, I don't know why but Tuchel seems more appealing and excites me more despite winning less :unsure:

No problem if that's your preference. I'm not a fan of Luis Enrique either. But I wouldn’t rank Tuchel above him.

I get what you mean about coaches that have glittering CV's because they've managed at big clubs. I often wonder if they'd be able to transform our club into one of the heavy hitters.

But if Tuchel is the type of coach that needs a bigger club, better infrastructure to excel, then he's no better than Luis Enrique. What makes him the right man for Arsenal? It's not as if he transformed Dortmund into a different club. That was Klopp's work.

[Özim]

No problem if that's your preference. I'm not a fan of Luis Enrique either. But I wouldn’t rank Tuchel above him.

I get what you mean about coaches that have glittering CV's because they've managed at big clubs. I often wonder if they'd be able to transform our club into one of the heavy hitters.

But if Tuchel is the type of coach that needs a bigger club, better infrastructure to excel, then he's no better than Luis Enrique. What makes him the right man for Arsenal? It's not as if he transformed Dortmund into a different club. That was Klopp's work.

Yeah totally agree, for me Dortmund was all Klopp, he's the one that turned them into the team they were, the football, the players, the success, Tuchel just inherited a very talented squad and didn't really do much with it or impress, if anything in Europe they looked far less clinical and much more brittle than under Klopp.

If he'd gone in and really changed things and made them a force, I'd agree, but from what I saw they were less of a force than before, that defeat to Liverpool was a real shocker, in complete control and then giving away essentially a 3 goal advantage twice showed real tactical naivety IMO.

[Marc Overmars]

Would definitely take Conte over Tuchel. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with those above him and he won't be the last. League titles in Italy and here, he's a slam dunk of a candidate IMO. Also, he won his titles with Juve when they weren't the dominant force they are now, they were also rans in the seasons prior to his appointment.

[Globalgunner]

Would definitely take Conte over Tuchel. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with those above him and he won't be the last. League titles in Italy and here, he's a slam dunk of a candidate IMO. Also, he won his titles with Juve when they weren't the dominant force they are now, they were also rans in the seasons prior to his appointment.

Another black mark against Conte imo is how he falls out with players. His fall out with Diego Costa is what basically has landed him in his current predicament with Chelsea. Sure he felt Morata would do the business but he threw away a 25 goal striker in a fit of pique. A manager should always see the big picture. Costa may have been a cunt, but unless he was caught shagging other players wives, why dump him so carelessly. I dont wantus to employ another manager who thinks its all about him. Maybe its an Italian thing. Roberto Mancini was also an egomaniac

[Marc Overmars]

Another black mark against Conte imo is how he falls out with players. His fall out with Diego Costa is what basically has landed him in his current predicament with Chelsea. Sure he felt Morata would do the business but he threw away a 25 goal striker in a fit of pique. A manager should always see the big picture. Costa may have been a cunt, but unless he was caught shagging other players wives, why dump him so carelessly. I dont wantus to employ another manager who thinks its all about him. Maybe its an Italian thing. Roberto Mancini was also an egomaniac

Oh yeah I forgot about Costa, that was weird.

Every new manager will want to do things their way though, some players will embrace it while others will have their noses put out of joint. I'd like to see how our little lambs take to a more demanding regime.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah totally agree, for me Dortmund was all Klopp, he's the one that turned them into the team they were, the football, the players, the success, Tuchel just inherited a very talented squad and didn't really do much with it or impress, if anything in Europe they looked far less clinical and much more brittle than under Klopp.

If he'd gone in and really changed things and made them a force, I'd agree, but from what I saw they were less of a force than before, that defeat to Liverpool was a real shocker, in complete control and then giving away essentially a 3 goal advantage twice showed real tactical naivety IMO.

Agreed. Would have to see a lot more from Tuchel. Its too premature to put him a anywhere near the elites. We've seen managers with way more accolades flop once they have gone to a bigger team. Remember Juande Ramos and Villas Boas? I don't mind saying we should take a risk, it's hard to project these things but the praise for Tuchel is way overboard. In fact, it's not even the praise, it's the talk as if he's certain for bigger and better things.

[Özim]

Another black mark against Conte imo is how he falls out with players. His fall out with Diego Costa is what basically has landed him in his current predicament with Chelsea. Sure he felt Morata would do the business but he threw away a 25 goal striker in a fit of pique. A manager should always see the big picture. Costa may have been a cunt, but unless he was caught shagging other players wives, why dump him so carelessly. I dont wantus to employ another manager who thinks its all about him. Maybe its an Italian thing. Roberto Mancini was also an egomaniac

Yeah big mistake to fallout with your star players, he created this mess by being too stubborn, he should have just sorted it out instead he's messed up and cost the club.

Not convinced with him, his first season was good but this season has been a disaster and Morata was a shocker of a signing, I could have told you the guy can't finish.

[Cripps]

Well if all else fails we can go for globalgunner's preference which is Sam Allardyce :lol: :doh:

[Marc Overmars]

How good is this Jardim bloke?

Seems like he's done the most Wenger-esque job out of the lot. Pre-2006 Wenger that is.
Unearthing plenty of young talent while playing some great football without spending a ton of money. Shame their team was torn apart last summer, they were awful in the CL this year and it's business as usual in France now. Could be a good time for him to find a new challenge.

[Globalgunner]

Well if all else fails we can go for globalgunner's preference which is Sam Allardyce :lol: :doh:

Sam Allardyce is a "big" talent.

[Cripps]

How good is this Jardim bloke?

Seems like he's done the most Wenger-esque job out of the lot. Pre-2006 Wenger that is.
Unearthing plenty of young talent while playing some great football without spending a ton of money. Shame their team was torn apart last summer, they were awful in the CL this year and it's business as usual in France now. Could be a good time for him to find a new challenge.

HCZ (:rose:) was a big fan. When I saw Monaco they did seem to have a good system attacking wise. There's a stat that explains Monaco were the best defensive team in Europe statistically and they were criticised for it, so he changed it the following season and they became the best attacking side statistically. So he can do both.

The problems are he doesn't speak English and he isn't charismatic at all :unsure:

Ivan seems a big fan though. He mentioned Monaco a few times when referring to their model last season. He can't be worse than Wenger :shrug:

[selassie]

How good is this Jardim bloke?

Seems like he's done the most Wenger-esque job out of the lot. Pre-2006 Wenger that is.
Unearthing plenty of young talent while playing some great football without spending a ton of money. Shame their team was torn apart last summer, they were awful in the CL this year and it's business as usual in France now. Could be a good time for him to find a new challenge.

Jardim is a brilliant manager IMO. I was looking at his Managerial statistics and whilst he hasn't had any glamorous jobs he has done very well wherever he has been, normally top 3 finishes, coupled with winning the league last season with Monaco. He has an impeccable track record of developing youth through clubs systems, he did it before at Sporting Lisbon.

If we can't get Allegri then Jardim would be my choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Jardim

[Cripps]

Juventus planning for life after Allegri amid Chelsea interest | ✍ @sjstandardsport https://t.co/oNavsrMXav

Another one bites the dust :rose:

[Cripps]

According to L'Equipe, Nice coach Lucien Favre is on #Arsenal's shortlist of possible candidates to replace Arsene Wenger. https://t.co/YDcUw1VGmC

:unsure:

[GP]

We can't hire a manager just because he's nice.

[Cripps]

According to the Mail, fans snubbing Premier League home games is emerging as a key factor in the planned review of*Arsene Wenger’s position this summer. The low attendances are causing serious concern among*the club's hierarchy. #Arsenal https://t.co/pqdx5blBWr

[Xhaka Can’t]

According to the Mail, fans snubbing Premier League home games is emerging as a key factor in the planned review of*Arsene Wenger’s position this summer. The low attendances are causing serious concern among*the club's hierarchy. #Arsenal https://t.co/pqdx5blBWr

I’m just getting a blank screen from that link. Not too dissimilar from an empty seat.

The one thing we as fans can do is stay away. They may still be making money, but they’ll be making less money.

Greedy bloodsucking cunts don’t like that sort of thing.

[Letters]

Letters woz rite :bow:



For once.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

They'll still be making money as the tickets are mostly already paid for but it's absolutely devastating in terms of our stature & appeal. Big sponsors don't want to be associated with a club where the stadium is half empty - it's why Italian teams struggle in that regard. It's far more impactful than a few losses away from home.

For the sake of getting rid of the old man, I hope it stays like that for the rest of the PL. Do want a full crowd for Atletico though.

[Niall_Quinn]

They'll still be making money as the tickets are mostly already paid for but it's absolutely devastating in terms of our stature & appeal. Big sponsors don't want to be associated with a club where the stadium is half empty - it's why Italian teams struggle in that regard. It's far more impactful than a few losses away from home.

For the sake of getting rid of the old man, I hope it stays like that for the rest of the PL. Do want a full crowd for Atletico though.

No. It would be great if there was one person missing.

[Globalgunner]

Everton doing a survey over the future of Big Sam. LOL!

All of a sudden everybody is in love with referendii

We should also do a survey. Or 2

1. Wenger should he go or stay?
2. Should we remove that stupid bust we made of him?

[Power n Glory]

They'll still be making money as the tickets are mostly already paid for but it's absolutely devastating in terms of our stature & appeal. Big sponsors don't want to be associated with a club where the stadium is half empty - it's why Italian teams struggle in that regard. It's far more impactful than a few losses away from home.

For the sake of getting rid of the old man, I hope it stays like that for the rest of the PL. Do want a full crowd for Atletico though.

They're losing money in other areas. Less people in the stadium means less money spent on food, drink and merchandise. It's a start.

[Cripps]

Arsenal split on who they want to succeed Arsene Wenger | @Matt_Law_DT https://t.co/qchfY8f1jz

What an inspiring list :tumbleweed:

[Goonermerree]

He's going nowhere from the Beeb - Arsenal were also considering making a bid for Martial but manager Arsene Wenger has prioritised other areas of his squad to strengthen in the summer. (Evening Standard)

'His squad' noooo, get lost.

[Cripps]

Wenger says empty seats at Emirates are "not a big concern. Our crowd is pretty solid at the moment. … I believe we have a very faithful crowd, faithful fans, who will always be there to support the club."

And he adds: "We are sold out in every single game, so I don’t know where the problem is at the moment.”

:lol:

[Goonermerree]

Wenger says empty seats at Emirates are "not a big concern. Our crowd is pretty solid at the moment. … I believe we have a very faithful crowd, faithful fans, who will always be there to support the club."

And he adds: "We are sold out in every single game, so I don’t know where the problem is at the moment.”

:lol:

He's an ostrich.

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger says empty seats at Emirates are "not a big concern. Our crowd is pretty solid at the moment. … I believe we have a very faithful crowd, faithful fans, who will always be there to support the club."

And he adds: "We are sold out in every single game, so I don’t know where the problem is at the moment.”

:lol:

Sometimes I don’t know whether these quotes are parodies or not.

The guy is so deluded it’s unreal.

[selassie]

Wenger says empty seats at Emirates are "not a big concern. Our crowd is pretty solid at the moment. … I believe we have a very faithful crowd, faithful fans, who will always be there to support the club."

And he adds: "We are sold out in every single game, so I don’t know where the problem is at the moment.”

:lol:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[selassie]

Yesterday, there was a story about Arsenal fans recently staying away from the Emirates, with empty seats across the stadium. I have little doubt that Wenger will interpret this differently to everyone else. The fans are staying away not because they have lost faith in him, but because they are angry about a minority chanting “Wenger Out!” Either that, or they don’t have the requisite intelligence to comprehend his methods.

Conviction is a powerful thing, but it can become perilous when impervious to the evidence. Wenger has, in this sense, become antiscientific, dancing around the truth, but never quite seeing it

These quotes are taken from that Matthew Syed article Letters posted yesterday. He's not far from the truth given Wenger's response to the empty stadium!

[Niall_Quinn]

We must not focus on the last empty stadium. That is in the past. We must focus on the next attendance. And if it increases we must say it has increased. And if it has not increased we must say we should not focus on the last empty stadium and should instead focus on the next attendance.

[Niall_Quinn]

Papers are doing the rounds on Vieira again. Apparently he's on the shortlist to replace Wenger.

Stammers in the Mail claims Wenger won't be sacked under any circumstances, even if we don't win the EL, and it will be left to him to decide when he leaves. If that's true I guess Wenger will be staying for the rest of his life. Vieira will be 60 when he gets the nod. No wonder we are looking at 30 year old candidates too. Maybe Wenger's replacement has yet to be born? Wenger could go on for ever, given the amount of broccoli he eats.

[Bumble]

Papers are doing the rounds on Vieira again. Apparently he's on the shortlist to replace Wenger.

Stammers in the Mail claims Wenger won't be sacked under any circumstances, even if we don't win the EL, and it will be left to him to decide when he leaves. If that's true I guess Wenger will be staying for the rest of his life. Vieira will be 60 when he gets the nod. No wonder we are looking at 30 year old candidates too. Maybe Wenger's replacement has yet to be born? Wenger could go on for ever, given the amount of broccoli he eats.

i wouldn't mind Vieira getting given a go. He should have respect from the players and he isn't Wenger.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

i wouldn't mind Vieira getting given a go. He should have respect from the players and he isn't Wenger.

Unlike Thierry he's actually putting in the hard graft getting managerial experience. However given the shits we're in right now we absolutely can not afford to take any chances with the next appointment - it has to be an experienced manager who knows how to manage at a big club and deal with big name players.

If we were coming off a few recent title wins and constant top four then yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a punt on him or even Arteta tbh.

[Cripps]

i wouldn't mind Vieira getting given a go. He should have respect from the players and he isn't Wenger.

I can give it a go. I'll do a damn better job than that useless fool :tiphat:

[Power n Glory]

Unlike Thierry he's actually putting in the hard graft getting managerial experience. However given the shits we're in right now we absolutely can not afford to take any chances with the next appointment - it has to be an experienced manager who knows how to manage at a big club and deal with big name players.

If we were coming off a few recent title wins and constant top four then yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a punt on him or even Arteta tbh.

Henry coaches with Belgium and has only just started coaching. Unfair to assume he's not grafting. Vieira was working behind the scenes for years before getting his first role as first team coach and he had to go to America to get that opportunity.

[KSE Comedy Club]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-fan-piers-morgan-uses-12371516

:lol:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Henry coaches with Belgium and has only just started coaching. Unfair to assume he's not grafting. Vieira was working behind the scenes for years before getting his first role as first team coach and he had to go to America to get that opportunity.

Granted Wenger was a hypocritical mong about the whole affair but he rejected the chance to become a full time coach of the U18's with us, instead wanting to preserve his cushy Sky Sports gig. He could have worked his way up the ladder at the club, putting in the hours plying his trade and learning from his mistakes but he made his decision.

A part time gig spending a few hours a month (if that) with the Belgium National team isn't at all comparable to what both Vieira did (full time behind the scenes at City & now manager at NYFC) and Arteta is currently in the processing of doing. Pep spent years behind the scenes at Barca working with the Youth Team before getting his chance at Barca.

Fair enough, I don't begrudge him for choosing the easier and more lucrative option of preserving his role in the media but he can't expect to be seriously considered for any top job as it stands and until he demonstrates his full commitment to the cause.

[selassie]

We must not focus on the last empty stadium. That is in the past. We must focus on the next attendance. And if it increases we must say it has increased. And if it has not increased we must say we should not focus on the last empty stadium and should instead focus on the next attendance.

:haha:

[Cripps]

Adams: "It would be a very different career from Arsene. I wouldn’t do it for 20 years. If I hadn’t won [a trophy] in 3 years I’d walk out. I’d want to win the league. I’d want to win the European Cup. If I didn’t then I’d shack their hands and say ‘thank you very much’." https://t.co/0T22ncye1E

Big Tone:bow:

You know what to do Ivan :bow:

[Power n Glory]

Granted Wenger was a hypocritical mong about the whole affair but he rejected the chance to become a full time coach of the U18's with us, instead wanting to preserve his cushy Sky Sports gig. He could have worked his way up the ladder at the club, putting in the hours plying his trade and learning from his mistakes but he made his decision.

A part time gig spending a few hours a month (if that) with the Belgium National team isn't at all comparable to what both Vieira did (full time behind the scenes at City & now manager at NYFC) and Arteta is currently in the processing of doing. Pep spent years behind the scenes at Barca working with the Youth Team before getting his chance at Barca.

Fair enough, I don't begrudge him for choosing the easier and more lucrative option of preserving his role in the media but he can't expect to be seriously considered for any top job as it stands and until he demonstrates his full commitment to the cause.

Henry dodged a bullet. Have you seen Steve Bould? Has any senior coach at Arsenal gone on to a more serious coaching role after leaving Arsenal? No. In fact, no former player stays on here at Arsenal.

Also, if Henry were coaching here, would you still consider him as a Wenger replacement? I doubt it. It's too early for him, which is a similar argument I have for Arteta, but if he were coaching at Arsenal right now, it would make him an even less attractive candidate. Another yes man that has no influence over the players. That would be the most likely outcome.

But either way, it's way too early to judge him at this point. Most coaches start off like this. Heck, I just read that Vieira applied for Newcastle job and was turned down. Vieira! No idea if Henry applied for other roles or if this Belgium job landed on his lap.

[Özim]

Readying his excuses for the summer, going to be a good one everyone!

http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/19/arsene-wenger-reveals-how-the-world-cup-is-affecting-arsenal-transfer-plans-7479676/

[Niall_Quinn]

Readying his excuses for the summer, going to be a good one everyone!

http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/19/arsene-wenger-reveals-how-the-world-cup-is-affecting-arsenal-transfer-plans-7479676/

tbf, the World Cup only affects Wenger so he's at a big disadvantage. Like the fixture schedules and Man City's spending, it only affects Wenger. He has a lot to put up with so it's completely understandable we're battling Burnley for 6th place. I'm surprised we're doing so well given how much is against Wenger.

[Goonermerree]

Readying his excuses for the summer, going to be a good one everyone!

http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/19/arsene-wenger-reveals-how-the-world-cup-is-affecting-arsenal-transfer-plans-7479676/

He always moans about these championships every two years, but I seem to remember lots of players being bought and sold in 2016. Every odd year, he stuffs it up. I'm just sick of his rhetoric.