Away Form

[Letters]

What's up with that?

Our home form is 3rd best, behind City, obvs, and Utd.

Our away form is mid-table at best.

Any thoughts as to why we are such a car crash away from home this season? The discrepancy really is massive.

[dostoy]

Confidence.

There has never been a team in the history of football that needs a new manager as much as Arsenal.

June 2019 at the earliest though and it might be later.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bad luck mainly.

The schedule pile up. The gypos spending so much money. The refs. The wrong type of rain.

Apart from that I can't think of any reason why we're competing with Burnley for 7th.

[Letters]

Confidence.

Why is that only a problem away from home?

[Marc Overmars]

The manager being a dud might have something to do with it.

[Letters]

The manager being a dud might have something to do with it.

Then.
Why.
Is.
Our.
Home.
Form.
So.
Good?

Do we have a different manager for home games?
Can we not have one fucking thread where people can sensibly debate? Yes yes, Wenger Out. I think we've all established that.
But I can't think of another where the discrepancy between home and away form has been quite so marked.

[Niall_Quinn]

Inertia is the correct answer.

Clubs come to our place and continue to show us respect. But that won't last much longer as more managers figure just how easy it is to outfox the retard Wenger. When we get time and space Wengerball, boring as it is, can work. But as soon as we are put under pressure his bullshit collapses. He always plays the same way, regardless of the team he puts out or the positions he forces the players into. More teams will come to our place in the future and fancy themselves to win it. And they will.

It is far more likely our home record will tend towards our away record next season than the other way around. If Wenger stays.

[Niall_Quinn]

Then.
Why.
Is.
Our.
Home.
Form.
So.
Good?

Do we have a different manager for home games?
Can we not have one fucking thread where people can sensibly debate? Yes yes, Wenger Out. I think we've all established that.
But I can't think of another where the discrepancy between home and away form has been quite so marked.

Wenger is a shit manager. That's the answer.

But if you won't accept that then I gave you another answer. We're just unlucky.

[Letters]

Wenger is a shit manager. That's the answer.

But if you won't accept that then I gave you another answer. We're just unlucky.

Why did you bother posting that shit when you actually posted something better which makes more sense above?

[Marc Overmars]

Then.
Why.
Is.
Our.
Home.
Form.
So.
Good?

Do we have a different manager for home games?
Can we not have one fucking thread where people can sensibly debate? Yes yes, Wenger Out. I think we've all established that.
But I can't think of another where the discrepancy between home and away form has been quite so marked.

Well we haven’t beaten anyone decent at home except for Spurs.

Knocking off the pub teams at home is bread and butter. It’s nothing to shout about.

[Letters]

Well we haven’t beaten anyone decent at home except for Spurs.

Knocking off the pub teams at home is bread and butter. It’s nothing to shout about.

No, it isn't. But we should be able to do it away too. NQ's post about inertia is more plausible. Maybe teams are giving us too much respect.

[Goonermerree]

The home teams come at us because they are at home, roared on by their fans and we can't handle it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why did you bother posting that shit when you actually posted something better which makes more sense above?

It's the same answer.

It's not the answer that's the problem. It's the question.

At this late stage in procedures, how can anybody still be asking why we're so shit? This bloke has been in charge for years. It's not like some new appointment we are still trying to figure out.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The guys on the AVpodcast pretty much nailed it.

We're shit defensively and have zero control in the CM - that's been an issue since the start of the season (god knows why we haven't signed an athletic CM yet). We can get away with it at home as apart from the top teams most teams don't have a go at us instead preferring to sit back and soak up pressure.

However away from home, most teams are more prepared to have a go at us and we have such a brittle & weak centre that crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure. The end result is our away form.

[Goonermerree]

The guys on the AVpodcast pretty much nailed it.

We're shit defensively and have zero control in the CM - that's been an issue since the start of the season (god knows why we haven't signed an athletic CM yet). We can get away with it at home as apart from the top teams most teams don't have a go at us instead preferring to sit back and soak up pressure.

However away from home, most teams are more prepared to have a go at us and we have such a brittle & weak centre that crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure. The end result is our away form.
well I just posted that, don't need AVpodcast to tell you that.

[Niall_Quinn]

The guys on the AVpodcast pretty much nailed it.

We're shit defensively and have zero control in the CM - that's been an issue since the start of the season (god knows why we haven't signed an athletic CM yet). We can get away with it at home as apart from the top teams most teams don't have a go at us instead preferring to sit back and soak up pressure.

However away from home, most teams are more prepared to have a go at us and we have such a brittle & weak centre that crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure. The end result is our away form.

Which implies we are one collective realisation away from a relegation fight. People said we'd never end up mid table under Wenger. Here we are, mid table. Battling Burnley. Next season, there are no limits to the possibilities, all of them bad. If Wenger stays.

Look at what he has now. Aubameyang and Lacazette. And he doesn't have the first clue how to use them. No amount of money, no signings can compensate for how shit this manager is.

[Marc Overmars]

No, it isn't. But we should be able to do it away too. NQ's post about inertia is more plausible. Maybe teams are giving us too much respect.

Coming to the Emirates to face Arsenal is still a task most teams don’t relish and in general teams will always collect more points at home because it’s easier to do so.

Winning away requires more thought and courage, things we are severely lacking in.

[Niall_Quinn]

Our record probably wouldn't be quite as bad if Wenger wasn't throwing PL games so he can keep his last best hope to save his own useless arse alive - his team wrapped up safe and cosy to somehow, by whatever means, find a way (despite him) to beat Atleti.

[Goonermerree]

They take a win for granted and they have for a long time.
Wenger on the CSK match in Moscow. "Maybe we were surprised by the intensity at the start."
I think Theo said something similar about Preston last season. We were surprised that they wanted it, or something like that. They don't expect teams that they deemed to be 'lesser' than them to turn up, so they are complacent and end up losing. (Scraping a win in the Preston case.)

[Xhaka Can’t]

We go into away matches completely unprepared for the increased intensity we will undoubtedly face.

Because we don’t prepare any differently regardless of the team, form or situation we face, we lose.

Our decline has been gradual, but it has passed a tipping point. If it continues, and it surely will without a change in Manager, our home form will regress to match our away form.

[Letters]

Not sure about that. There is a limiting factor in our decline and that is our resources are so much bigger than most other clubs outside the top 4.
Burnley may leapfrog us and it would be embarrassing to finish below them but we almost can't drop lower than 7th this year no matter what we do.
However poorly we are set up our players are generally better than most other teams and so will win enough games to keep us in the top half of the table.
Prove me wrong, Arsene!

[Xhaka Can’t]

There is zero evidence to support the view expressed that our resources are a limiting factor.

Our regression has accelerated at a time when we have vastly increased the level of resources expended.

We have bought and changed players in every position and we continue to decline faster and more visibly by the year. This is the case against teams we used to compete against, teams that have had resources ploughed into them from dubious sources and, most worrying of all, those teams with far fewer resources than us.

I’m fucked if I can think of the reason for that.

[Letters]

There has been no year on year regression over the last few years. I posted the points and final positions over the last 5 years in another thread, the few seasons prior to this one we've been pretty consistent, last year we got 75 points which is the same as the year prior to that. We finished 5th rather than 3rd as we did 2 years back because of Spurs and Liverpool's improvement, not because we regressed. Even then we won the FA Cup beating City in the semi-finals and Chelsea in the final.

This year has been a car crash in the league, mostly because of our away form. It will be our worst points total under Wenger and a massive decline from last year. Let's say we end up with about 60 points, that would be 15 points worse off than last year. Are you suggesting that we will regress by another 15 points and end up with around 45 next year? I don't believe that will happen.

Edit: I should add there is pretty much zero evidence for what happens next because under Wenger we haven't been this bad before. I am skeptical we'll fall lower because I reckon there's only so badly a group of players this good can fall, but there's no excuse for them being as poor as they have been this season so I guess time will tell.

[Niall_Quinn]

Did you believe at the end of last season we'd be 15 points worse off now? So what's stopping you believing Wenger can hit a new record low next season? Far more likely he'll drag us down lower than any other possibility.

Wenger does best when he has NO options. When he has a massive injury crisis and can't fuck with the team. Give him resources, options, and he's a complete disaster. So the resources could well be the factor that opens the floodgates for a Wenger baked calamity, rather than any limiting factor. Yes, Wenger can buy more and better players. But so what? He still doesn't have a clue how to use them, as we saw again today.

The bloke's the anchor that will drag us deeper with every day he's permitted to stay.

[Letters]

No, I didn't think we'd be 15 points worse off and this season has been embarrassing, especially away from home.
I've explained why I think there is a limiting factor to how low we can sink. I may be wrong.

[AFC Leveller]

We just can’t defend. This has been our problem for years now and it is clear as daylight that wenger or his coaching staff can’t organise a team or set them up properly. It is the main reason we won’t get past Atletico.

Wenger our, coaching staff out.

[Niall_Quinn]

We just can’t defend. This has been our problem for years now and it is clear as daylight that wenger or his coaching staff can’t organise a team or set them up properly. It is the main reason we won’t get past Atletico.

Wenger our, coaching staff out.

Wenger explained that last week. We're an attacking team (apparently) so that's why we don't have a defence. A big club like Arsenal can't reasonably expect to have a balanced, well coached team. We just can't. It's unrealistic. Ask Wenger. He'll tell you.

[Bumble]

Our record probably wouldn't be quite as bad if Wenger wasn't throwing PL games so he can keep his last best hope to save his own useless arse alive - his team wrapped up safe and cosy to somehow, by whatever means, find a way (despite him) to beat Atleti.

I wouldn't say we were throwing the game today really, we still have over £100m strike force more than the entire Newcastle team. Even if we were at full strength, Mustafi would still have played and Xhaka so we are still likely to have conceded goals.

In terms of why away form so bad. think it has been said before. it must be the way the opposition sets up. The odd thing is that we are under more pressure to perform at home and yet seem to be able to manage it, but again as has been said only Spurs of the top 7 we have beaten at home this year with Burnley still to play.

[Xhaka Can’t]

There has been no year on year regression over the last few years. I posted the points and final positions over the last 5 years in another thread, the few seasons prior to this one we've been pretty consistent, last year we got 75 points which is the same as the year prior to that. We finished 5th rather than 3rd as we did 2 years back because of Spurs and Liverpool's improvement, not because we regressed. Even then we won the FA Cup beating City in the semi-finals and Chelsea in the final.

This year has been a car crash in the league, mostly because of our away form. It will be our worst points total under Wenger and a massive decline from last year. Let's say we end up with about 60 points, that would be 15 points worse off than last year. Are you suggesting that we will regress by another 15 points and end up with around 45 next year? I don't believe that will happen.

Edit: I should add there is pretty much zero evidence for what happens next because under Wenger we haven't been this bad before. I am skeptical we'll fall lower because I reckon there's only so badly a group of players this good can fall, but there's no excuse for them being as poor as they have been this season so I guess time will tell.

Regression is more than just the positing of numbers without consideration of relative factors. If your company is flatlining relative to its competitors with the result that they improve to catch you and surpass you, you are regressing.

This has happened progressively through the years. From occasional top dogs to top 2, down to top 4, out of the top 4 and now in a dogfight with Burnley, that’s right, Burnley, to stay in the top 6. That is regression. And it is snowballing.

As for your point of the players being poor. They have come and gone, but one thing has remained and that one thing has led to the regression which is getting progressively worse.

Other teams are cottoning on to this and regard us not as a side they hope to effectively limit damage against, but as an opportunity to win 3 points against when playing them at home. This, left unchecked will spread to playing us as an opportunity for them to win points wherever they play us.

We are regressing and the regression is clearly accelerating. It can sometimes be difficult to see until you pass the tipping point. I am pretty sure we’ve skipped past that point.

[Niall_Quinn]

And all of it has happened behind a shield of snowballing revenues and ridiculous levels of TV cash pouring into the game. That's had the effect of allowing the club to spin failure as success and it has also cushioned the blow as we've dropped down the league. It dulled the alarm bells that ought to have been on full blast years ago. The money meant Wenger was actually praised for turning us into a top 4 club rather than focusing on the football and title challenges.

I mean what the hell is a "top 4" club anyway? It can only mean the money. No sport lauds 4th place in sporting terms. What sort of a goal is that? A pure money goal and no secret was made about it. Now we're saying winning the second rate (literally a competition for losers) cup is redemption. Just bullshit. The best it could ever be is a step on the road to redemption - not the finishing line. If it was progression, instead of a sideshow on this slow bleed regression, then great. But nobody believes it for a second. Not any more.

If Wenger was sacked today (and he should be sacked after today btw) and a new guy came in and said let's win the Europa League and then push on, full steam ahead, it would be well worth getting behind that. But let's win the EL so Wenger can keep his job and we can get back on the road to claiming that top 4 spot? Fuck that.

It's why the game and the result and the performance was important today. Not just a thing to be thrown away or dismissed. Clubs with ambition plan for tomorrow. They don't lock themselves into a cycle of failure, which is exactly what we've done.

There's no excuse for Wenger. He has no business being at this club.

There's no possible excuse left for him or his fucked up idea of what represents success. So what if we made money? Everyone made money. The money is pouring out of the Sky. Where's the great achievement in picking it off the ground and stuffing it in your pocket? Top 4, top 4, top 4. Bullshit.

[Chippy]

Our record probably wouldn't be quite as bad if Wenger wasn't throwing PL games so he can keep his last best hope to save his own useless arse alive - his team wrapped up safe and cosy to somehow, by whatever means, find a way (despite him) to beat Atleti.

We have no chance of beating Atletico :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

"...so I guess time will tell."

How much time? He's has over a decade. How much more time will it take to tell?

What other manager has had so much time?

And here we are, no defence, no midfield, 100 mill quid of disconnected strikers up top. Losing to Newcastle to keep our perfect record of ZERO points away from home in 2018 intact. Literally the worst away club in British football. The worst!

How much more time?

[Niall_Quinn]

We have no chance of beating Atletico :haha:

Don't ever underestimate the ability of this clown to somehow luck his way into a new contract.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's shipping the lasagne as we speak.

[Power n Glory]

Then.
Why.
Is.
Our.
Home.
Form.
So.
Good?

Do we have a different manager for home games?
Can we not have one fucking thread where people can sensibly debate? Yes yes, Wenger Out. I think we've all established that.
But I can't think of another where the discrepancy between home and away form has been quite so marked.

There was a year where it was the opposite. Our home form was bad but our away form was good. As people keep trying to tell you, it comes back to the manager. Everytime. There is no debate to be had about it. We can improve in one area and then fall short in a major way in another. It's like watching a watching a ridiculous Frank Spencer comedy routine where he somehow, someway ends up in a ridiculous situation.

We can try to improve on our away form next season but something else in another area will fall apart. There is no other way to solve this problem.

[Letters]

Now we're saying winning the second rate (literally a competition for losers) cup is redemption.
Who is saying that? :unsure:

[Gooner23]

There was a year where it was the opposite. Our home form was bad but our away form was good. As people keep trying to tell you, it comes back to the manager. Everytime. There is no debate to be had about it. We can improve in one area and then fall short in a major way in another. It's like watching a watching a ridiculous Frank Spencer comedy routine where he somehow, someway ends up in a ridiculous situation.

We can try to improve on our away form next season but something else in another area will fall apart. There is no other way to solve this problem.

And he always finds a way to compartmentalise, and then rationalise the failures (in his own head anyway). He's the ultimate spin doctor. Fortunately most fans see through the bullshit now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Who is saying that? :unsure:

The collective "they" - there's a value being placed on this trophy by many fans and they are very naive if they think Wenger and the board aren't going to cash that value in.

[Letters]

The collective "they" - there's a value being placed on this trophy by many fans and they are very naive if they think Wenger and the board aren't going to cash that value in.

Of course there's value in it.
There's value in any trophy.
It wouldn't change my view on whether Wenger should stay, maybe it would sway some fans.

[selassie]

What's up with that?

Our home form is 3rd best, behind City, obvs, and Utd.

Our away form is mid-table at best.

Any thoughts as to why we are such a car crash away from home this season? The discrepancy really is massive.

It has been covered on this thread already but our team lacks so many required fundamental aspects that going away and expecting to win anywhere in PL has now become fruitless IMO.

NQ summed it up earlier, we have no Defence, No Midfield and a disjointed Attack.

This team lacks a personality and quite clearly isn't setup or organised in any logical sense.

We all know what the problem is...it doesn't even need to be repeated again and again.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course there's value in it.
There's value in any trophy.
It wouldn't change my view on whether Wenger should stay, maybe it would sway some fans.

Bragging rights for a day and cash for the board. That's all we get.

I'd easily sacrifice the EL if it meant getting a serious title challenge next season. Not even winning the PL - just challenging. That's enough and far, far more valuable than any second rate cup for losers.

But even that cup would be useful as a stepping stone. But it won't be. It'll be a watering hole in Wenger's desert of mediocrity. It'll keep us going so we can trudge through another year of desolation.

Pointless. A fun day out. That's the maximum value if we intend to let Wenger drag us off into the shit the day after.

Now if we won it and he resigned the next day. That's joy. The Losers Cup win would be fun. The joy would come from that resignation and the whole new world of possibilities it opened up.

He won't resign though. No chance. And 99% chance we won't win it anyway. More chance of us finishing up 7th to round out another dismal Wenger season with fuck all.

[Letters]

Bragging rights for a day and cash for the board. That's all we get.

I'd easily sacrifice the EL if it meant getting a serious title challenge next season. Not even winning the PL - just challenging. That's enough and far, far more valuable than any second rate cup for losers.

But even that cup would be useful as a stepping stone. But it won't be. It'll be a watering hole in Wenger's desert of mediocrity. It'll keep us going so we can trudge through another year of desolation.

Pointless. A fun day out. That's the maximum value if we intend to let Wenger drag us off into the shit the day after.

Now if we won it and he resigned the next day. That's joy. The Losers Cup win would be fun. The joy would come from that resignation and the whole new world of possibilities it opened up.

He won't resign though. No chance. And 99% chance we won't win it anyway. More chance of us finishing up 7th to round out another dismal Wenger season with fuck all.

Dear God you're a misery :lol:

[GP]

I'd fucking love it if we won this trophy.

Don't fucking try and tell me it's meaningless.

[Özim]

Dear God you're a misery :lol:

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if we then go into the CL and give it a good go, this needs to be a step to bettering ourselves. If this is just a token win to keep Wenger in a job or even worse get him a new contract then it's a poison chalice really.

For years Wenger hailed his record of getting into the tpp 4 every year as some sort of modern day miracle, the whole point of being in the top 4 was to be in the CL and the whole point of being in the CL is to try and win it, we haven't really done that for over a decade, making up the numbers and getting hammered when we meet someone decent just isn't anyones' idea of giving a good go.

Does anyone want a repeat of this season?

[Niall_Quinn]

Dear God you're a misery :lol:

No. I'm 100% committed to making this all about Wenger.

Because it is, and it has been that way for a long time.

There's nothing meaningful that can possibly happen at this club until he's gone and we know this to be true by looking back over the last 10 years.

Everything else is a distraction.

And even if that wasn't the case, being the best loser out there by winning the loser's cup is more embarrassing than anything else.

[selassie]

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if we then go into the CL and give it a good go, this needs to be a step to bettering ourselves. If this is just a token win to keep Wenger in a job or even worse get him a new contract then it's a poison chalice really.

For years Wenger hailed his record of getting into the tpp 4 every year as some sort of modern day miracle, the whole point of being in the top 4 was to be in the CL and the whole point of being in the CL is to try and win it, we haven't really done that for over a decade, making up the numbers and getting hammered when we meet someone decent just isn't anyones' idea of giving a good go.

Does anyone want a repeat of this season?

Yep, exactly how I feel and what I think.

Winning Europa and preparing for CL at any other big club would be seen as a step in the right direction.

Winning it at Arsenal just keeps Wenger in his job, nothing more to it than that.

How much more evidence do folks need to see to not get that things will not improve or change whilst Wenger is here?

We won't challenge for the title, will not make top 4 barring an absolute collapse from any of our rivals, won't strengthen the team in the way it should be strengthened or even setup the team in the way it should be setup.

Nobody even cares about how many points we have, the bare minimum at a Football club with the resources we have should be a top 4 finish! We are paying our star player 300K per week FFS and have 100Million pounds worth of strikers upfront, the money is there, we just have a dud of a manager who has no idea what he is doing!

The likes of the Spuds and Liverpool are improving season upon season and we are going backwards!

[Niall_Quinn]

We've let our standards slide right down to the level of a mid table PL club with half or resources, or less. And now it's supposed to be a measure of success if we win a second tier trophy. I don't get how that works. Are we supposed to ignore everything that has happened and start cheering our second rate status? Can Wenger really pull off such a blatant deception?

How the hell can he look anyone in the face a we languish in mid table making a shitfaced effort to fight off tiny Burnley? He keeps pointing at FA Cups and possible EL trophies while we are a million miles away from the purpose of a so-called major club. Is he going to get away with this? Again? If he does then settle in for years more of this shit because if he doesn't get sacked after this shameful season, he's got a job for life.

[selassie]

We've let our standards slide right down to the level of a mid table PL club with half or resources, or less. And now it's supposed to be a measure of success if we win a second tier trophy. I don't get how that works. Are we supposed to ignore everything that has happened and start cheering our second rate status? Can Wenger really pull off such a blatant deception?

How the hell can he look anyone in the face a we languish in mid table making a shitfaced effort to fight off tiny Burnley? He keeps pointing at FA Cups and possible EL trophies while we are a million miles away from the purpose of a so-called major club. Is he going to get away with this? Again? If he does then settle in for years more of this shit because if he doesn't get sacked after this shameful season, he's got a job for life.

I know it beggars belief. Wenger is failing in every single area of his job, he shouldn't even be here now let alone next season or the season after that.

He has absolutely nothing to hide behind now, our arch rivals have overtaken us and they barely spend any money! That's right, Poch over at the Spuds has built a bonafide top 4 team through organisation and implementing a system and focus / mentality into his players.

Yes they don't win trophies, yes they haven't won the league, yes they do at times bottle crunch games....but at least they have a plan, they have ambition, they want to improve. They put us to shame to be brutally honest.

Meanwhile our manager hides behind excuses about fatigue in his players and such like...he's a total embarrassment.

[Niall_Quinn]

Poch has done okay, that's about all. But that's all he's needed to do to whip Wenger's sorry arse. We didn't do a Leeds and collapse into obscurity. The whole point of our so-called sustainable model was to build brick upon brick, season after season, so we could consolidate our place at the top. But Wenger has somehow fucked that up. We're richer than ever, with more resources at our disposal than ever. And Wenger is pulling us down the league.

And people still ask the question, should he go?

YOU WHAT?

Should we sack the worst manager in football? A guy who literally fucks a gift horse in the arse?

Let me think.

As soon as we get even a semi-competent manager in here we'll be back challenging and overtaking the spuds. A couple of transfer windows and a season spend eradicating Wenger's bullshit and we'll be back in the game.

[Letters]

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if...
See, you lost me at "if".
A trophy doesn't have to be a stepping stone or lead to anything.
We have won 2 European trophies in our entire history. For a club our size that really isn't that good.
This is a chance to win a 3rd, it would be another bit of our history.
I can't believe Arsenal fans are turning their nose up at this.
I literally don't think fans of any other club would be so sniffy or put conditions on this
"we only want to win this if...". Ridiculous.

I don't think we will win it but I'd love it, just love it, if we do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Honestly, is that your opinion or your tactic?

Everyone. Watch out for the Wenger brigade crawling out of every hidey hole if (and "if" is huge in this instance because we have close on zero chance) we win this thing. Suddenly it'll go from, oh it's just an isolated trophy, to, you can't sack a manager who just won a European trophy. Watch closely as that exact thing happens. IF, we win it.

Be very careful not to get suckered in.

On the night, IF there is a night, then our own personal experiences with this club will kick in and we'll want to win. But directly after - don't forget to start baying as loudly as you can for Wenger to get the fuck out. Because if you don't, that cunt will slide into another contract and it will have been this trophy that delivers it to him.

[Niall_Quinn]

And remember, it was Wenger who stopped this club being about the football. A long time ago. So don't go asking fans to focus simply on the glory of winning a trophy while ignoring that cunt. It's possible to do both. Win it and then spit right in the cunt's face. If you really want your club to win big.

[Letters]

Honestly, is that your opinion or your tactic?
I don't really understand the question. I'm an Arsenal fan, I want Arsenal to succeed, I'd regard winning the EL as a success and it would mitigate some of the rest of the car crash of this season.
Who won the Fairs Cup in 1970? Arsenal did. I wasn't born but my dad told me about it. It's part of Arsenal's history. This would become part of our history too.
Maybe the difference here is how we view the consequences of Wenger staying next season - which I think he will regardless of whether we win the EL.
To me it's another season of bimbling around not challenging but that's all, long term I don't think it makes much difference and unless we start to seriously challenge I don't think Wenger will be offered another contract either way.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

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One of our biggest problems offensively is our poor positioning and distances between players when we attack. There's no coaching or plan behind it and instead it's everyone making a beeline for the opposition box and then marking themselves out of the game ... no thinking about the best way to create a progressive passing option for the ball carrier. We could learn a lot from how Pep approaches this.

One of the reasons why I'm a major fan of Tuchel ..... I think he shares the same mentality.