Unai Emery - Confirmed as the New Arsenal Manager - ORNSTEINNNN

[KSE Comedy Club]

I think its time for that old 'cum shot' gif that ILT put up once :lol:

Although, I don't have it :unsure:

[Letters]

He's like a new signing :dance:



He actually is!

[Cripps]

Can I judge him at the end of the season? :unsure:

You can judge him now like PnG and NQ are doing :lol:

[Cripps]

Yep, just joking, I'm looking forward to the change. He'd better get it right-ish or else!!!!

Autograph hunting fan boy :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

(Real) Press conference at 2PM

[LDG]

Welcome.

Now get on with it you cunt.

[Syn]

It's now Gazidis FC. The job title of 'head coach' is telling. This is a safe appointment, designed to protect Gazidis if it backfires. I think Emery's trophy count is a silly criteria to look at; the league titles are from a dead league and the UEFA cup titles are from a vastly inferior competition to Europe's elite. Although maybe it's time to accept UEFA cup is our level now.

The early noises (with the disclaimer that a lot of the twitter noise has been utter bullshit) are that he may be happy not to be involved in transfers, and is more focused on getting the best out of the current squad. In that sense he's as much responsible for our on field performance as the new scouting and negotiations teams Gazidis and Kroenke have put together.

Overall, i think/hope this is a better appointment than Arteta. Though how much Emery's ability was the reason for the hire and how much was due to Gazidis being cautious that a potential failure can't be pinned directly to him remains unclear.

[Power n Glory]

You can judge him now like PnG and NQ are doing :lol:

:lol: Now I remember why you were banned. Relax! I think Emery will do well for us. I've said that. He has my full support.

[Goonermerree]

One thing I am sure of, he won't be at the club for 22 years, can't see that ever happening at any club. Wenger and Fergie are a thing of the past.

[Cripps]

:lol: Now I remember why you were banned. Relax! I think Emery will do well for us. I've said that. He has my full support.

:lol: stop taking banter so seriously.

[Power n Glory]

The club named him head coach rather than manager. Telling.

Also Emery mentioned Josh Kroenke in his statement too, seems like he’s the one calling the shots now.

Josh. :bow:

Unai :bow:

Ivan :bow:

New era :bow:

Catalyst of change! Credit to Ivan Gazidis for finally stepping his game up. There seems to be a vision and purpose behind these appointments.

[Power n Glory]

:lol: stop taking banter so seriously.

People that use the word 'banter' should be shot!

Several times.

[AFC Leveller]

Matches managed: 608

Wins: 328

Draws: 129

Losses: 151

Goals for: 1172

Goals against: 703

Games managed against Pep Guardiola: 10

Wins: 0

Games managed against Jose Mourinho: 5

Wins: 0

[Power n Glory]

It's now Gazidis FC. The job title of 'head coach' is telling. This is a safe appointment, designed to protect Gazidis if it backfires. I think Emery's trophy count is a silly criteria to look at; the league titles are from a dead league and the UEFA cup titles are from a vastly inferior competition to Europe's elite. Although maybe it's time to accept UEFA cup is our level now.

The early noises (with the disclaimer that a lot of the twitter noise has been utter bullshit) are that he may be happy not to be involved in transfers, and is more focused on getting the best out of the current squad. In that sense he's as much responsible for our on field performance as the new scouting and negotiations teams Gazidis and Kroenke have put together.

Overall, i think/hope this is a better appointment than Arteta. Though how much Emery's ability was the reason for the hire and how much was due to Gazidis being cautious that a potential failure can't be pinned directly to him remains unclear.

It's a safe appointment compared to Arteta. But they could gone for someone safer. I'm not paying much attention to the trophy count either. I think his attention to detail may have won the Board over.

[Xhaka Can’t]

People that use the word 'banter' should be shot!

Several times.

You really ought to be a mod.

[Power n Glory]

You really ought to be a mod.

Catalyst of change for GW.

[dostoy]

I think its fantastic.

Finally, a bit of good news at Arsenal, they have got rid of the old dinosaur and appointed a far far far better and much younger manager who has done some very good things in the past.

He must be given a massive welcome at the first home game, the crowd must chant 'Unai' 'Unai', enough to bring a tear to his eye if possible.

Onwards and upwards.

When was the last time we said that about Arsenal ?

[Cripps]

Arsenal twitter posted a video of our previous managers and erased Wenger from history :lol:

Arsenal marketing team :bow:

[GP]

I think its fantastic.

Finally, a bit of good news at Arsenal, they have got rid of the old dinosaur and appointed a far far far better and much younger manager who has done some very good things in the past.

He must be given a massive welcome at the first home game, the crowd must chant 'Unai' 'Unai', enough to bring a tear to his eye if possible.

Onwards and upwards.

When was the last time we said that about Arsenal ?

Poor gunnersaurus.

[I am invisible]

So his decision to leave PSG might have just been Step 1 in his overall plan?

More a case of the stars aligning perfectly for him at just the right moment and then taking full advantage of it. He'll have know that he was leaving PSG for a while, and as soon as Wenger announced that he was leaving I reckon he was doing his homework and prepping that presentation. Doesn't even sound like he waited for us to approach him - sounds more like him and his agent forced his way in and made it happen...

[Bumble]

:lol: So would I have had I been Celtic manager :p

not convinced the celtic players would listen to you....no offence

[Cripps]

I think it may have been on the cards longer than we initially thought. We sacked a load of backroom including the goalkeeping coach and Emery happens to be bringing in his own GK coach. That could just be coincidence but something tells me they're linked :shrug:

[Bumble]

I think it may have been on the cards longer than we initially thought. We sacked a load of backroom including the goalkeeping coach and Emery happens to be bringing in his own GK coach. That could just be coincidence but something tells me they're linked :shrug:

probably linked in the sense that we were clearing out most of the wenger boyz. so a fresh start possibly regardless of manager

[KSE Comedy Club]

I think it may have been on the cards longer than we initially thought. We sacked a load of backroom including the goalkeeping coach and Emery happens to be bringing in his own GK coach. That could just be coincidence but something tells me they're linked :shrug:

It could well be the case.

Whilst Gary Neville and the meedja seem to think we had no clue what we were doing, and just asking anyone in passing if they wanted an interview, the reality could be that we had something lined up a while ago and the other interviewees were mearly a courtesy.

[Letters]

not convinced the celtic players would listen to you....no offence

And they'd still win the treble :p

[Cripps]

probably linked in the sense that we were clearing out most of the wenger boyz. so a fresh start possibly regardless of manager

But why would Arteta specifically ask the GK coach to get the boot? And who was he intending bring in as GK coach? He hasn't managed a game yet so hasn't got an assembled team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Emery has released his first training video for the squad :bow:

This guy doesn't waste any time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJLWimxP-s

[Power n Glory]

But why would Arteta specifically ask the GK coach to get the boot? And who was he intending bring in as GK coach? He hasn't managed a game yet so hasn't got an assembled team.

Oh yeah, we shouldn't forget the absolute bullshit printed in the press about Arteta demanding we sack Gary Lewin.

[Cripps]

It could well be the case.

Whilst Gary Neville and the meedja seem to think we had no clue what we were doing, and just asking anyone in passing if they wanted an interview, the reality could be that we had something lined up a while ago and the other interviewees were mearly a courtesy.

Jardim is the weird one. He's a top coach and is pretty certain to leave Monaco this summer. He didn't even get a look in it seems. You can't use the language excuse because Emery doesn't speak good English either. Odd :shrug:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Jardim is the weird one. He's a top coach and is pretty certain to leave Monaco this summer. He didn't even get a look in it seems. You can't use the language excuse because Emery doesn't speak good English either. Odd :shrug:

I think Emery can understand English and can speak some basic phrases - it's more that he's not fluent at it. During press conferences at PSG he was often asked questions in English and was able to understand them without needing translations, though he chose to reply in Spanish so that he could say all that he wanted to say. It'll be more like a Pochettino situation with him where he'll probably use a translator at the start before eventually gaining the confidence to speak it by himself.

Not sure about Jardim's fluency level.

[AFC Leveller]

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[I am invisible]

Jardim is the weird one. He's a top coach and is pretty certain to leave Monaco this summer. He didn't even get a look in it seems. You can't use the language excuse because Emery doesn't speak good English either. Odd :shrug:

Yeah, I don't understand why his name hasn't come up either? Maybe he's already signed a pre-contract with someone else, or he could just be having a break? He has worked almost continuously since he started in 1996. Maybe he's just sick of projects and wants a bit of instant glory? Who knows...

[AFC Leveller]

More a case of the stars aligning perfectly for him at just the right moment and then taking full advantage of it. He'll have know that he was leaving PSG for a while, and as soon as Wenger announced that he was leaving I reckon he was doing his homework and prepping that presentation. Doesn't even sound like he waited for us to approach him - sounds more like him and his agent forced his way in and made it happen...

I think the fact that we played them home and away last year had something to do with him having all this data on our players...

[Goonermerree]

Press conference on now.

[Marc Overmars]

Maybe Jardim's lack of charisma counted against him, he seems a bit dull. Not that it should be too important if you can actually coach first and foremost.

[Letters]

Emery has released his first training video for the squad :bow:

Impressed by his fitness regimes too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoTzkCeO-A

[The Emirates Gallactico]

So he went to Atlanta to meet the Kroenkes?

So despite the media shit this wasn't a last minute appointment.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

His English isn't that bad. I've heard a lot worse.

Just needs some practice to gain some fluency.

[Goonermerree]

I like him so far.

[Goonermerree]

His English is better than my Portuguese!

[The Emirates Gallactico]

He thanks Wenger for his legacy :bow:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

exPLAIN :haha::haha:

[Cripps]

1. Ivan has completely destroyed all ITK's and the media :haha:

2. It seems as if we strung Arteta along to take heat off Emery :haha: Ruthless Arsenal :bow:

3. It's clear he completely blew them away in his interview.

I'm excited. Am I allowed to show it? :unsure:

[Power n Glory]

1. Ivan has completely destroyed all ITK's and the media :haha:

2. It seems as if we strung Arteta along to take heat off Emery :haha: Ruthless Arsenal :bow:

3. It's clear he completely blew them away in his interview.

I'm excited. Am I allowed to show it? :unsure:

Hell no, you perv!

[Power n Glory]

So he went to Atlanta to meet the Kroenkes?

So despite the media shit this wasn't a last minute appointment.

Typical. Neville needs a slap.

[Niall_Quinn]

Journalists are fucking morons tbf.

Q: "How passionately did you fight for this job?"

A: "Not so much. Take it, leave it. Who cares?"

[Niall_Quinn]

His English isn't that bad. I've heard a lot worse.

Just needs some practice to gain some fluency.

Better than Kane.

[I am invisible]

I think the fact that we played them home and away last year had something to do with him having all this data on our players...

It will have given him a good place to start, but I would imagine that data was mostly about pinpointing and exploiting our weaknesses - I doubt PSG would have been cool with him then sitting down and working out a detailed plan for how he would go about improving our team and every individual player (and I doubt our entire squad's injury history would have relevant to our matches together either). He's still done a lot of work there, I reckon...

[Niall_Quinn]

Ivan destroying Wenger without ever mentioning him.

[I am invisible]

Better than Kane.

Fact.

[AFC Leveller]

Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis: "I am really delighted and excited to announce the new head coach of Arsenal football club and it is Unai Emery.

"I know that came as a bit of a surprise and perhaps one or two rewrites were necessary.

"But as I said at the beginning of the process - those who know, won't speak and those who speak, won't know.

[Niall_Quinn]

Self sustaining model will continue.

Great news for Kroenke.

[Power n Glory]

Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis: "I am really delighted and excited to announce the new head coach of Arsenal football club and it is Unai Emery.

"I know that came as a bit of a surprise and perhaps one or two rewrites were necessary.

"But as I said at the beginning of the process - those who know, won't speak and those who speak, won't know.

:lol: :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't know why they bother with the Q&A. The journos ask stupid questions and the answers are all politically scripted.

[Power n Glory]

Don't know why they bother with the Q&A. The journos ask stupid questions and the answers are all politically scripted.

State of the press is beyond a joke. They've shown themselves up throughout this process. But we've all played our part by getting caught up in their bullshit. We have no idea how this process went but the press will have us believe otherwise.

[AFC Leveller]

"Unai referred to Iwobi as ‘Shito’ in the Interview and that made the decision to appoint him a no-brainer."

- Ivan Gazidi

[KSE Comedy Club]

I have to say, I am starting to gain a fair bit of respect for Ivan.

He was left red faced after Wenger screwed him over, but it's clear that revenge has been swift and decisive but for all the right reasons and to the benefit of the club, squad and fans :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

You could tell he was trying so hard to speak coherent English. Fair play, seems intelligent enough and I’m sure the language won’t be much of an issue.

He also named dropped Sven and Raul. :bow:

I can’t believe we’ve actually transformed the structure of the club. This is all a bit surreal.

Now let’s hope this all translates on to the pitch...

[selassie]

I have to say, I am starting to gain a fair bit of respect for Ivan.

He was left red faced after Wenger screwed him over, but it's clear that revenge has been swift and decisive but for all the right reasons and to the benefit of the club, squad and fans :bow:

Yep, me too mate. Ivan is pretty ruthless, he certainly seems to have a vision and it's clear he knows more than he has been given credit for up until now.

[GP]

You could tell he was trying so hard to speak coherent English. Fair play, seems intelligent enough and I’m sure the language won’t be much of an issue.

He also named dropped Sven and Raul. :bow:

I can’t believe we’ve actually transformed the structure of the club. This is all a bit surreal.

Now let’s hope this all translates on to the pitch...

It all happened quite quickly.

I'm quite impressed with what they're doing. I just hope the results will follow.

[KSE Comedy Club]

It all happened quite quickly.

I'm quite impressed with what they're doing. I just hope the results will follow.

One thing is certain, it sure as hell won't carry on like it was!

[selassie]

It all happened quite quickly.

I'm quite impressed with what they're doing. I just hope the results will follow.

Catalyst for change!

Gaz is top dog now and making things happen, fair play to him!

[Power n Glory]

I have to say, I am starting to gain a fair bit of respect for Ivan.

He was left red faced after Wenger screwed him over, but it's clear that revenge has been swift and decisive but for all the right reasons and to the benefit of the club, squad and fans :bow:

He’s alright. I think he’s been given a tough time.

[I am invisible]

Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis: "I am really delighted and excited to announce the new head coach of Arsenal football club and it is Unai Emery.

"I know that came as a bit of a surprise and perhaps one or two rewrites were necessary.

"But as I said at the beginning of the process - those who know, won't speak and those who speak, won't know.
"Visit Rwanda."

[GP]

Rwanda Forever

[Marc Overmars]

He’s alright. I think he’s been given a tough time.

Thrown under a bus and run over repeatedly by Wenger. At least now he has a chance to earn his money.

[Cripps]

Emery: "In my career I'm very demanding, demanding of the players also. My idea is to be a protagonist for all the match. History here shows they love playing with possession of the ball. I like this & when you dont have possession, I want a squad very, very intense in pressing"

Ozil :rose:

[Marc Overmars]

Waited years for us to get with the times and implement a pressing game.

It's probably going to take at least 2-3 seasons to come to fruition though. You need to weed out the weak links first.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Well now that we've got Ozil signed up we can at least recoup a fee for him when we inevitably have to sell him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rwanda Forever

I'd 8 2 Visit Rwanda

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Typical. Neville needs a slap.

Not just Neville. Was listening to the BBC Monday night football Podcast and both Chris Sutton & Ian Wright were going crazy because it was according to them an "11th hour" panic appointment.

I expected that from Sutton because he's a biased tool but it was disappointing hearing that nonsense from Wrighty.

[Cripps]

Chris Sutton :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Not just Neville. Was listening to the BBC Monday night football Podcast and both Chris Sutton & Ian Wright were going crazy because it was according to them an "11th hour" panic appointment.

I expected that from Sutton because he's a biased tool but it was disappointing hearing that nonsense from Wrighty.

Butt hurt people who can’t stand not knowing. We’ve always done things behind closed doors, it’s always been notoriously difficult to second guess the club.

We can all speculate but if you start taking things as gospel then you don’t have anyone to blame but yourself. The club have conducted themselves just fine and I find the criticism of the process utterly bizarre. No one has a fucking clue what went on so why pretend otherwise?

[Power n Glory]

Not just Neville. Was listening to the BBC Monday night football Podcast and both Chris Sutton & Ian Wright were going crazy because it was according to them an "11th hour" panic appointment.

I expected that from Sutton because he's a biased tool but it was disappointing hearing that nonsense from Wrighty.

I still consider Wrighty to be a fan and considering the news was fresh and he was on the radio reacting, I won't hold it against him. Like many fans, we was roped into the bullshit press run and narrative that it was amateur hour at the Emirates. We've had the same conversations on GW. NQ and others and constantly warned to question where in the heck these guys are getting their sources from. Wright can be a sap but I also believe his reactions were genuine like some of the reactions I saw on here. On the other hand there are pundits out there that act as if they have inside knowledge, such as Neville, and have been peddling this incompetence narrative from the get go. That's the bullshit I don't like.

[Master Splinter]

:lol: Now that Wenger's gone, we'll see different opinions with so much more to discuss.

Apart from a handful of idiots with a thinking deficiency who set out their stall on all matters on day 0 and never budge from their positions despite life being a nuanced thing taking place mostly in grey zones.

It would be good to see Letters people not engaging with that in future, but I suppose this place and the world as a whole would grind to a halt if petty, juvenile and obnoxious spats were cut off instantly.

[Özim]

Really pleased we finally have a proper manager who studies the opposition and drills his players and has an idea of what he's trying to achieve bodes well.

One small thing that concerned me as this however


Asked whether he will need a recruitment drive this summer, Emery said: "I believe we can grow with the players we have.

"The objective is to work hard together and with these talented players.

We'll need to get rid of some of the rubbish we have here for sure (Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Cech etc) and replace them, working with the players will only go so far, if someone is rubbish you can't turn them into Pele.

[Özim]

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:haha:

[Özim]

Waited years for us to get with the times and implement a pressing game.

It's probably going to take at least 2-3 seasons to come to fruition though. You need to weed out the weak links first.

Me too. Plenty of those, got use to not working hard (except on social media) and not pressing anyone at all, reckon we'll need to get rid of a fair few.

[Master Splinter]

Butt hurt people who can’t stand not knowing. We’ve always done things behind closed doors, it’s always been notoriously difficult to second guess the club.

We can all speculate but if you start taking things as gospel then you don’t have anyone to blame but yourself. The club have conducted themselves just fine and I find the criticism of the process utterly bizarre. No one has a fucking clue what went on so why pretend otherwise?

Your whole post and especially the sentence in bold are a sad indictment of the modern world. This is not just a football thing, it happens all across society now.

Rather than admit you have little knowledge of a subject or are not in the best position to empirically judge something, everyone with any kind of platform is now an expert. You see this desperation with "insiders" and "ITKs" who feel the need to always be at the centre of everything. It's the modern equivalent of 15 minutes of fame I suppose. Insecurity and a need to feel validated in your life.

The fact that it's not only prats with a blog, a YouTube channel or a devoted following on Twitter with this innate desire to have their worthless musings thrust upon the world is the scary aspect of it all. Professionals who should have a sense of responsibility and dignity in their positions as writers, analysts, journalists, pundits or even just presenters are no better than the identikit troll you come across in every other online interaction. It's all about the first in line, the quickest take, the loudest voice heard. It's a pathetic playground of feckless fuckwits.

Anyway, on to the summer transfer thread and putting all our faith in properly sourced information.

[Özim]

Arteta :lol:

Gald we didn't settle for a mickey mouse manager, so glad we didn't give this guy the job, never really liked him much as a player and for all his words about wanting to be at Arsenal he was quick to be out the door.

[Marc Overmars]

Fascinating to hear that 8 people were interviewed and they presented a 100 page dossier on Emery to the Kroenke’s once they decided.

Ivan said Emery was the first choice and the other 7 were all interested too. So we can safely put this panic hire nonsense to bed.

[Cripps]

Arteta :lol:

Gald we didn't settle for a mickey mouse manager, so glad we didn't give this guy the job, never really liked him much as a player and for all his words about wanting to be at Arsenal he was quick to be out the door.

Arteta:lol:

What a bang average player:lol:

[Mac76]

I'm watching the press conference - Emery's English is really painful, he must have really wowed them with his overall qualities to get the gig

And i loved what gazidis said at the beginning, something like - people who don't know speak and those who do stay silent. :fingers:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Trust in the process

https://i.imgur.com/lqKX1N0.jpg

Gazidis :bow:

[I am invisible]

I'm watching the press conference - Emery's English is really painful...
Pires speaks fluent Spanish and was angling after a role somewhere - surely there's room for Le Bob on the new team?

[Mac76]

Anyway i just want to say welcome to Arsenal Unai Emery and the best of luck

https://www.arsenal.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/images/emery_3.jpg?itok=5tzAXsft

[Cripps]

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What a man :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/156860395.jpg?w=748&h=498&crop=1



What a man :bow:

Except he's bald.

[Power n Glory]

Fascinating to hear that 8 people were interviewed and they presented a 100 page dossier on Emery to the Kroenke’s once they decided.

Ivan said Emery was the first choice and the other 7 were all interested too. So we can safely put this panic hire nonsense to bed.

Yeah, just watching. Ivan said nobody we interviewed turned us down.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Yeah, just watching. Ivan said nobody we interviewed turned us down.

Probably means that we never seriously pursued Allegri or that he didn't want to interview for the role.


The only others I'm confident would have been on the list would be:

Arteta, Vieira, Jardim, Nagelsmaan, Ancelotti, Luis Enrique

[selassie]

Me too. Plenty of those, got use to not working hard (except on social media) and not pressing anyone at all, reckon we'll need to get rid of a fair few.

Me too, I am genuinely excited for the season ahead. I have no major expectations other than Emery implementing his new ideas.

[Power n Glory]

Probably means that we never seriously pursued Allegri or that he didn't want to interview for the role.


The only others I'm confident would have been on the list would be:

Arteta, Vieira, Jardim, Nagelsmaan, Ancelotti, Luis Enrique

Who knows. He may not have fit the criteria. I hear people complain about Emery's English but I've heard Allegri is much worse and would struggle to learn.

Allegri was always a long shot. He seems committed to Juve so fair enough.

[LDG]

Anyway i just want to say welcome to Arsenal Unai Emery and the best of luck

https://www.arsenal.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/images/emery_3.jpg?itok=5tzAXsft

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[Nozza!]

Oi, geezers, one for Coney the coffin dodger. Emery, he is awful, but I like him...

[KSE Comedy Club]

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Sneaky, sneaky sir ##

[Cripps]

Aubameyang on Emery: "Since over the last few seasons - you have to tell the truth - the club has stagnated a little bit, I think everyone is actually a little bit excited to see what happens next season" #Arsenal https://t.co/ABeehIcJEp

Shots fired :lol:

[SMatthews]

The revisionism over Gazidis is already in full swing. Just as it was when the tide swung in favour of Kroenke when Usmanov first arrived, then back once again as he became the bad guy once the realisation dawned that we are nothing more than another investment. Nothing has changed with the ownership of this club. It's still the biggest problem preventing the success of any manager and its players. A manager can only go so far with this lot in charge. Gazidis is a banker in charge of a football club, a man who answers every question in full without saying a thing of substance. Emery will bring change and some difference on the pitch and it's a breath of fresh air after Wenger became stale but the ultimate outcome will be the same.

Granted, there are only 4/5 clubs in the world who will offer a budget bigger than £50m (Utd, City, PSG, Barca, Madrid - Cheslea no longer operate in that way) but this "catalyst for change" is for the snake-like Gazidis to slither his way into being the man in charge. Top four is all that matters to him and the board, along with some shitty shirt sleeve sponsorships and commercial deals. Kroenke has shown over years of ownership of various franchises how little of a fuck he gives about success. It's nice to have a change of manager and some new things happening but it has to be tempered with the reality of the blood-sucking frauds running our club. Arsenal will always be owned by some form of billionaire now given how much it costs to buy but it's the varying degrees of interest in the making sure it is successful that ultimately make the difference. City, Utd, PSG and Chelsea have demonstrated that.

[Özim]

Aubameyang on Emery: "Since over the last few seasons - you have to tell the truth - the club has stagnated a little bit, I think everyone is actually a little bit excited to see what happens next season" #Arsenal https://t.co/ABeehIcJEp

Shots fired :lol:

Laca had a little dig too, when someone posted a pic of Wenger telling Emery you must feed Gunnersaurus twice a day and take Lacazette off after 70 minutes and he laughed at it, players starting to really say what they really thought of the previous regime at last!

Really think Laca can flourish under Emery, Gamero did under him at Sevilla. Lacazette is a very good finisher and an asset for us and if we can play him with Aubameyang that will make us very dangerous.

[Niall_Quinn]

The revisionism over Gazidis is already in full swing. Just as it was when the tide swung in favour of Kroenke when Usmanov first arrived, then back once again as he became the bad guy once the realisation dawned that we are nothing more than another investment. Nothing has changed with the ownership of this club. It's still the biggest problem preventing the success of any manager and its players. A manager can only go so far with this lot in charge. Gazidis is a banker in charge of a football club, a man who answers every question in full without saying a thing of substance. Emery will bring change and some difference on the pitch and it's a breath of fresh air after Wenger became stale but the ultimate outcome will be the same.

Granted, there are only 4/5 clubs in the world who will offer a budget bigger than £50m (Utd, City, PSG, Barca, Madrid - Cheslea no longer operate in that way) but this "catalyst for change" is for the snake-like Gazidis to slither his way into being the man in charge. Top four is all that matters to him and the board, along with some shitty shirt sleeve sponsorships and commercial deals. Kroenke has shown over years of ownership of various franchises how little of a fuck he gives about success. It's nice to have a change of manager and some new things happening but it has to be tempered with the reality of the blood-sucking frauds running our club. Arsenal will always be owned by some form of billionaire now given how much it costs to buy but it's the varying degrees of interest in the making sure it is successful that ultimately make the difference. City, Utd, PSG and Chelsea have demonstrated that.

The honeymoon won't last long. The allconsuming, overriding drive was to get Wenger out. If Ivan wants to own Wenger 2.0 he'll be surprised at how quickly things turn against him. The fans are super sensitive to the bullshit now. If they don't see change, if they see any similarities to the past decade, it will be more than obvious where the blame lies. Ivan wants the power but scrutiny comes with it. He can't make any excuses about Wenger undermining or outmanoeuvring him now.

Stan's just a fuck. Everyone knows that and nobody likes him. He's used to it, doesn't care and there's nothing anyone can do about it. No way are fans going to stay away now there's a new manager.

[Goonermerree]

Exactly, I don't like Gazidis and Kronke is a little s==t. Let's not run away with the idea that the club is wonderful now Wenger has gone, not a bit of it. Until we get rid of Kranky nothing will change, but at least Wenger going is a start because for no other reason than that they can't hide behind him if things go wrong. We may be heading for the biggest manager-go-round in history.

[Power n Glory]

The revisionism over Gazidis is already in full swing. Just as it was when the tide swung in favour of Kroenke when Usmanov first arrived, then back once again as he became the bad guy once the realisation dawned that we are nothing more than another investment. Nothing has changed with the ownership of this club. It's still the biggest problem preventing the success of any manager and its players. A manager can only go so far with this lot in charge. Gazidis is a banker in charge of a football club, a man who answers every question in full without saying a thing of substance. Emery will bring change and some difference on the pitch and it's a breath of fresh air after Wenger became stale but the ultimate outcome will be the same.

Granted, there are only 4/5 clubs in the world who will offer a budget bigger than £50m (Utd, City, PSG, Barca, Madrid - Cheslea no longer operate in that way) but this "catalyst for change" is for the snake-like Gazidis to slither his way into being the man in charge. Top four is all that matters to him and the board, along with some shitty shirt sleeve sponsorships and commercial deals. Kroenke has shown over years of ownership of various franchises how little of a fuck he gives about success. It's nice to have a change of manager and some new things happening but it has to be tempered with the reality of the blood-sucking frauds running our club. Arsenal will always be owned by some form of billionaire now given how much it costs to buy but it's the varying degrees of interest in the making sure it is successful that ultimately make the difference. City, Utd, PSG and Chelsea have demonstrated that.

I’ve held my stance on Gazidis for number of years now. No revisionism on my part. Also, people are allowed to change their opinions. That’s not revisionism.

For me, it all started from his first few press conferences where he tried to clear up the ambiguous nature of our finances. Wenger was purposely coy on the subject when Dein left and kept on talking about not ‘doing a Leeds’ and bankrupting the club. That was pure manipulation of the fans and press on his part. I never liked that. Gazidis didn’t do the fear mongering stuff. He let it be known that our stadium repayments were small and not enough to push us to the brink of bankruptcy. He also made it clear that the club backed Wenger with his vision and if there were players out there that he really wanted, they’d try to find a way to help him. I’ve always maintained that Wenger had a big enough voice to dictate our direction if he wanted to.

For example, look at the difference between how quickly and swiftly we acted to Sanchez leaving and Ozil’s contract once we appointed Sven and Raul in comparison to that time we had sold Nasri and Fabregas. We decided to sign two marquee players after losing Sanchez instead of trying to save money by signing 5/6 cheap bargain basement players. The bargain basement stuff was all Wenger. It’s fine if he still had the ability to develop players but we soon learned that he lost his touch. Hence why we needed outside help.

Also, look at how quickly we let go of underperforming staff members once Wenger left? Le Grove argued years ago that Colin Lewin was supposed to have been given the boot once Shad Forsythe was appointed but Wenger argued for him to be kept on as head of the medical staff. As soon as Wenger is gone, Lewin was given the boot too. For years, Wenger would make excuse after excuse about our fitness record. Similar to the money issue. We once heard him blame the brand of hairspray Aaron Ramsey used as a reason why he picks up so many hamstring injuries. Fair enough if you don’t really know the reason but it seemed liked Wenger had no real desire to fix the issue, hence why Lewin was kept in a top job. It’s Gazidis that’s hired Forsythe and Burgess because we can’t keep using injuries as an excuse as to why we can’t progress.

I’ve got a load of more examples how each one of Wenger’s excuses has been addressed. You only have to look at his attitude and response to when he heard Sven and Raul were being appointed. He was hostile to the idea. He saw it as him being undermined and not support. If not for some of Ivan’s appointments, we’d be in terrible shape. I have no idea if he’s all about the money and has no real sporting ambition. We’ll soon find out. But one thing for sure, Wenger was no better. He hasn’t been in the fans corner to help cut season tickets and he’s the one that roped us all into believing this self-sustaining con job is a great idea. I’ve got time for Ivan because a lot of crap we’ve complained about for years hasn’t been mocked or dismissed. There has been an attempt to address it. I won’t knock him for that.

[Mac76]

Aubameyang on Emery: "Since over the last few seasons - you have to tell the truth - the club has stagnated a little bit, I think everyone is actually a little bit excited to see what happens next season" #Arsenal https://t.co/ABeehIcJEp

Shots fired :lol:

"a little bit excited" :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Emery's presentation to the Arsenal committee on Welbz:

http://e0.365dm.com/18/04/16-9/20/skysports-unai-emery-arsene_4288807.jpg?20180521095340

[Cripps]

It's pretty clear Wenger was holding Gazidis back.

Ivan wanted catalyst for change and he's done exactly that. What are we supposed to do? Berate him for delivering his promises? :lol:

[Cripps]

The Times say Emery will make it his first priority to make the team defend & attack set-pieces better. The players can expect an intense month of drilling in set-pieces, making #Arsenal more of a threat when attacking corners & free kicks & more effective at defending them. https://t.co/uTJIQ4VktH

Em dog :bow:

[Bumble]

The Times say Emery will make it his first priority to make the team defend & attack set-pieces better. The players can expect an intense month of drilling in set-pieces, making #Arsenal more of a threat when attacking corners & free kicks & more effective at defending them. https://t.co/uTJIQ4VktH

Em dog :bow:

weren't we top scorers from corners this season? something silly like that?

also incredibly since I have been born we have been managed by an Englishman less than 1000 days!!! not that it is relevant to anything.

[Mac76]

weren't we top scorers from corners this season? something silly like that?

also incredibly since I have been born we have been managed by an Englishman less than 1000 days!!! not that it is relevant to anything.

I suspect thar's one of those 'in the Premier League era' stats...

[Penguin]

weren't we top scorers from corners this season? something silly like that?

also incredibly since I have been born we have been managed by an Englishman less than 1000 days!!! not that it is relevant to anything.

We definitely need to work on defending them

[Cripps]

Arsenal learn from mistakes of Manchester United by 'inserting break clause in Unai Emery's contract'
https://t.co/l7iogCPJxz
https://t.co/djyWi4OgbI

Ivan :bow:

[Master Splinter]

Rally happy with this, this guy is a tactical genius and a proven winner. He has won loads of shit despite the fact he’s 44. I love the way his teams play and his attention to detail when it comes to formations, tactics, positions etc.

Much better than Arteta.

Sorry for singling you out, but this had to be pulled out from the vaults.

:haha:

I wish you'd been right.

FFS.

:ilt:

[Marc Overmars]

So disappointing.

Really thought Emery could have been the kind of modern coach we had all pined for.

[Letters]

Great news, decent manager in charge rather than some nobody! Get in!

:haha:

[hobson's choice]

Arteta :lol:

Gald we didn't settle for a mickey mouse manager, so glad we didn't give this guy the job, never really liked him much as a player and for all his words about wanting to be at Arsenal he was quick to be out the door.

Haha

[Bumble]

:haha:

Has zim how he always thought emery wasnt the right person.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I didn't want to sound negative at the time but I was very dubious about Emery's away record. Seems he can't get a tune at home neither right now. He's not a manager for a top club.

[AFC Leveller]

Sorry for singling you out, but this had to be pulled out from the vaults.

:haha:

I wish you'd been right.

FFS.

:ilt:

Haha fucking ell I don’t know what I’m taking about! But seriously many of us were excited to be getting PSG’s manager and one of the most successful ones at the time.

He’s clearly not for to manage us and really I think it’s time to go.

[Letters]

Jason Burt:*Arsenal players will have to get used to extremely detailed, and lengthy, video analysis sessions*under Unai Emery. Their new head coach leaves no stone unturned. The Spaniard is forensic in his ways of working and demanding in his attention.*

Right. I’m not going to lol at Cripps for his other posts in this thread but this was a common expectation when Emery came to us. One of Wenger’s big failings was not seeming to prepare us for the opposition. Emery was said to be meticulous in his preparation for each game but there’s precious little evidence of that. I can’t even see the way he’s trying to get us playing, there doesn’t seem to me any particular plan.

[dazthegooner]

Right. I’m not going to lol at Cripps for his other posts in this thread but this was a common expectation when Emery came to us. One of Wenger’s big failings was not seeming to prepare us for the opposition. Emery was said to be meticulous in his preparation for each game but there’s precious little evidence of that. I can’t even see the way he’s trying to get us playing, there doesn’t seem to me any particular plan.

What she said... :ladynana:

[Bumble]

Think Arteta made a demand and that was that.

Emery, Sevilla work is good but PSG work is not good as they won the league after Monaco sold all their players including one to PSG. No different from Brendan Rodgers.

But listening to what the experts say, he should be a good appointment. used to working in this new arsenal structure. has tactics and plays high intensity. so we only need to sign 11 new players. actually we can keep welz as he runs around a lot too.

Anyway he is experienced so it should be interesting to see how things develop. Overall not a bad appointment. although give it 2 months til Ozim starts complaining and begging for Wenger to come back
Not overly optimistic. Although was wrong and being no different to rodgers

[Özim]

:haha:

Wishful thinking and I actually thought PSG played some decent football and attacked well when he was in charge, sadly it seems that was more due to Neymar than Emery and our football is awful, attacking is average and defence is dreadful.

Everyone gets it wrong sometime, oone could have envisaged this guy would have turned out as bad as he has, he was never first choice for me, or indeed one of the top picks but I preferred him over Arteta who would have been just as bad. I'm quick shocked at how bad Emery has been though, no leadership, no plan, illogical decisions and no improvement in any area which considering how average we were is pretty shocking.

What we needed is a bettr shortlist with the likes of Allegri, Simeone and Ancelotti on it, sadly Gazidis was in charge and over his tenure with he failed to deliver on every occasion.

[Gooner23]

Every single Prem game home and away is now a slog under Emery, regardless of opposition. There should at least be some matches where things click and we win comfortably. I can't understand why Raul and Edu would let this continue. Emery seems like a decent enough guy, but unfortunately he is out of his depth and needs to go ASAP.

[Mac76]

Every single Prem game home and away is now a slog under Emery, regardless of opposition. There should at least be some matches where things click and we win comfortably. I can't understand why Raul and Edu would let this continue. Emery seems like a decent enough guy, but unfortunately he is out of his depth and needs to go ASAP.

i agree, we can't afford to wait until the end of the season we could lose several very good players if they're not sure he's going

[Letters]

Everyone gets it wrong sometime, oone could have envisaged this guy would have turned out as bad as he has, he was never first choice for me, or indeed one of the top picks but I preferred him over Arteta who would have been just as bad. I'm quick shocked at how bad Emery has been though, no leadership, no plan, illogical decisions and no improvement in any area.

Actually agree with this. I didn’t know loads about Emery but 3 Europa Leagues in a row is good going and the things we heard about him meticulously planning for the opposition sounded encouraging. Really disappointed to see no improvement anywhere.

Be careful what you wish for...

[Letters]

https://i.ibb.co/HNwQw5L/7-CBD9-FEE-8-BED-4124-99-C3-3-EE237348-B4-C.jpg

[Bumble]

Ornstein reckons emery will be the rest of the season. 100% backing blah blah..

Southampton next at home.

[Gooner23]

Madness

[Marc Overmars]

Well that’s one way to ensure a mid table finish.

[Özim]

Unbelievably they were encouraged by the performance against Leicester


Somewhat incredibly, Arsenal’s hierarchy were actually encouraged by the performance of the side against Leicester and feel there were ‘clear signs of improvement’. Head of football Raul Sanllehi and technical director Edu were both at the King Power and there is a recognition that Leicester – who are currently second in the table – are a formidable outfit, especially at home.

Honestly don't know what goes through these peoples heads, we'll be wasting another season and then next season no CL money, we'll be hindered by our investments in players this summer which are rolled over to the next few years mostly and we'll have to start from scratch again, what is wrong with this club, must they make the wrong choice very single time? It's no wonder this club is going down the pan, even the people who have a record of success and come onboard either leave or conform and turn out to be just as bad as their predecessors.

The reality is we're now 9 points behind Leicester and 8 points outisde the CL places, we should be much better than them anyway and a club who are on a transfer ban Chelsea are also way above us and look a much better side than we are. On top of that all season we've beenreally poor all round, what more evidence does anyone need that it's not working. This is giving someone time all over again!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/10/arsenal-hierarchy-still-100-behind-unai-emery-will-not-sack-despite-leicester-city-defeat-11073469/

[AFC Leveller]

Our last 19 league matches (half a seasons worth) have seen us pick up 6 wins, 6 draws and 7 defeats. We got 24 points. That’s less than 50 points over 38 matches. That’s the form of a relegation side. The boards have to be lying if they say they’re 100% behind this loser.

[dazthegooner]

Well reports are saying that the board are 100% behind Emery and Arsenal are heading in the right direction so if relegation is the right direction they're spot on. :censored:

[Bumble]

Our last 19 league matches (half a seasons worth) have seen us pick up 6 wins, 6 draws and 7 defeats. We got 24 points. That’s less than 50 points over 38 matches. That’s the form of a relegation side. The boards have to be lying if they say they’re 100% behind this loser.

i think that is 10 points clear of normal relegation points... as teams like Norwich and Newcastle look to 40 points as being safe. so we are comfortably clear of being relegated.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fantastic!

So our new target is 4th!

Fourth from bottom.

[IBK]

Utterly depressing news this morning. Let's face it we would be well advised simply to ignore Arsenal for the rest of this season to preserve our sanity. Bad times.:sulk:

[Letters]

Be CaReFuL wHaT yOu WiSh FoR...

:coffee:

[Marc Overmars]

I’m pretty sure no Arsenal fan wished for this.

[Özim]

I’m pretty sure no Arsenal fan wished for this.

No, nor did any Arsenal fan wish for Emery to be honest, he was the best of a bad bunch from the shortlist we got lumbered with by Gazidis. Most people would have wanted a hig profile top manager. Only the club decided this guy or Arteta were the options.

[Letters]

No, nor did any Arsenal fan wish for Emery to be honest, he was the best of a bad bunch from the shortlist we got lumbered with by Gazidis. Most people would have wanted a hig profile top manager. Only the club decided this guy or Arteta were the options.

You were pretty happy when we got Emery.
You one of the "anyone would do better than Wenger" brigade.
:shrug:

[GP]

Any manager would be better than Wenger.

Apart from Emery, of course. Not him.

[Bumble]

You were pretty happy when we got Emery.
You one of the "anyone would do better than Wenger" brigade.
:shrug:

hindsight is great. Emery managed PSG and won the league, won 3 Europa leagues... so he isn't a nobody with no pedigree at all. Just hasn't worked out for us. He isn't the right manager to take us forward/stop us moving backwards.

Just not doing anything about it... shouldn't be the option.

[Letters]

Yeah, but it's not hindsight, is it? I wasn't the one going on and on about how inept Wenger was and how literally anyone would do better.
I was the one saying that the club has other problems - Kronke for one - and simply removing Wenger, although that needed to happen, wouldn't immediately fix everything.
That said, I expected Emery to do better than he has. The talk about his meticulous preparation for each game sounded encouraging.

[hobson's choice]

hindsight is great. Emery managed PSG and won the league, won 3 Europa leagues... so he isn't a nobody with no pedigree at all. Just hasn't worked out for us. He isn't the right manager to take us forward/stop us moving backwards.

Just not doing anything about it... shouldn't be the option.

Some of us actually knew this would happen. Because guess what, this is the same crap that's happened at every club he's coached at.

Remember the job he had before PSG, were the players went to the owner and told him if Emery doesn't go, they ain't playing.

But enough of Emery.

This is a club that's being run by people who don't seem to understand that they are overseeing a club in London, that plays in England.

No one making major decisions, knows anything bout this club or the league. Just a bunch of Spanish jobbers, who managed to finesse Kroenke and Gazidis.

[Letters]

I'm not going to pretend I knew this would happen - I don't follow football closely enough, I didn't imagine Emery would be this useless.
But I did know that Wenger wasn't as bad as some on here were pretending, I knew the owner was a problem and simply removing Wenger wasn't going to fix that.
Emery hasn't done the things I thought he'd do but the notion that Wenger was this bumbling idiot and so inept that anyone would do better has been shown to be horseshit.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Didn't know much about Emery, but he had an impressive trophy haul and sounded meticulous to the nth degree. However, I always felt his away record was ominous and didn't really see how or why that should be ignored.

Now we can't even get it together at home.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The point of no return for this Club which has culminated in this mess was when Klopp went to Liverpool.

That was the point where Wenger should have either walked or let go by the Club.

Klopp was exactly what we needed, when we needed it.

At that point, Wenger’s legacy would not have been as tarnished. Also, this Club could have turned things around rather than put the foot down on the accelerator to oblivion.

[Marc Overmars]

I didn’t expect Emery to be this bad tbh. At the very least I thought he’d be able to improve the defence but inexplicably we’re somehow worse at the back and playing football that is even more dire than what we saw at the end of Wenger’s reign.

Emery is not a Mickey Mouse coach, plenty of better coaches than him have failed in high profile jobs. It’s about finding the right fit and we got the appointment wrong. Tear it up and start again, just like any normal club would. At this rate we will end up midtable if Emery is given the season to work it out. He’s had long enough to make an impact and we’ve barely had a sniff of improvement.

[Özim]

You were pretty happy when we got Emery.
You one of the "anyone would do better than Wenger" brigade.
:shrug:

I think we went through this the other day. I was ecstatic Wenger was gone (and still am) and happy we didn't employ Arteta. The only choice we had was Arteta or Emery, on that basis I preferred Emery and on paper he looked decent at least, turns out he's awful.

Make no mistake though, he wasn't who I would have wished for.

[Letters]

I was ecstatic Wenger was gone (and still am).

Yes, because any idiot would do better than Wenger... :lol:

[Özim]

Yes, because any idiot would do better than Wenger... :lol:

He got rid of a fair amount of dross, which Wenger would have never done, so I'm pleased about that. It hasn't worked out for Emery, he's lost his way but with Wenger we were only going one way, we failed to qualify for the CL for two seasons running, the football was pretty boring, he wouldn't bring in the right players and he had no ambition, we were on a hiding to nothing with him, if he'd stayed we'd have just carried on going backwards and being thumped by top sides repeatedly the way that no other Arsenal manager has been. Before he arrived thumpings were almost unheard of, he made them something that we expected against the top sides.

Like I said though, Emery would not have been the manager I would have chosen, but I have no regrets about us getting rid of Wenger, it was actually quite a few years too late, by the time he left the squad was in tatters and we barly had a decent player left in the squad and had lost countless players for next to nothing or nothing, he really handicapped us with his performance in the last few years.

[Özim]

I didn’t expect Emery to be this bad tbh. At the very least I thought he’d be able to improve the defence but inexplicably we’re somehow worse at the back and playing football that is even more dire than what we saw at the end of Wenger’s reign.

Emery is not a Mickey Mouse coach, plenty of better coaches than him have failed in high profile jobs. It’s about finding the right fit and we got the appointment wrong. Tear it up and start again, just like any normal club would. At this rate we will end up midtable if Emery is given the season to work it out. He’s had long enough to make an impact and we’ve barely had a sniff of improvement.

That's what we should be doing, recognising it hasn't worked and getting rid and trying again, not doing exactly what we did with Wenger and sticking with him even though he's not performing well.

I guess that's the difference between a top club and a club where winning is secondary.

[IBK]

I didn’t expect Emery to be this bad tbh. At the very least I thought he’d be able to improve the defence but inexplicably we’re somehow worse at the back and playing football that is even more dire than what we saw at the end of Wenger’s reign.

Emery is not a Mickey Mouse coach, plenty of better coaches than him have failed in high profile jobs. It’s about finding the right fit and we got the appointment wrong. Tear it up and start again, just like any normal club would. At this rate we will end up midtable if Emery is given the season to work it out. He’s had long enough to make an impact and we’ve barely had a sniff of improvement.

Sensible post. The general feeling when Emery was appointed was that he was a bit unexpected but not an obvious bad fit for a club that needed to transition after Wenger's dominance and had top 4 aspirations. And for most of last season Emery more or less fulfilled his expectations. Its revisionist to claim anything else.

What is surprising is (1) how we utterly blew up in the last 6 weeks of the season and (2) how the board cannot see the patantly obvious now - that Emery is a busted flush. There is no hope of him turning things round because there is no plan; no understanding of what is going wrong; no direction and no backbone in this manager.

[dazthegooner]

Looks like we're stuck with him :( https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/11859517/unai-emery-the-right-man-for-arsenal-say-clubs-hierarchy

[hobson's choice]

Didn't know much about Emery, but he had an impressive trophy haul and sounded meticulous to the nth degree. However, I always felt his away record was ominous and didn't really see how or why that should be ignored.

Now we can't even get it together at home.

They were all Europa League titles, cause his team couldn't qualify for CL in la liga before Atletico started their current form.

And let's not forget how Jardim made him look like a moron his first season at PSG. And also he didn't win a single away league game his last season at Sevilla.


Oh no, signs weren't there<_<

[Letters]

He got rid of a fair amount of dross, which Wenger would have never done, so I'm pleased about that.
Agreed although I'm disappointed about Ramsey, he's a big loss and we didn't really try to keep him


It hasn't worked out for Emery, he's lost his way but with Wenger we were only going one way

Possibly. Certainly the last season was by far his worst and while the steady decline many predicted never really happened, we never ended up in mid-table or worse but the last couple of seasons under him saw us finally drop out of the top 4 and it's hard to predict how we'd be doing under Wenger now. One thing is for sure, he was never going to win us another league title. We did need to get rid of him if we were going to progress. But the assertion that he was the worst manager around and literally anyone would do better was horseshit and has been shown to be horseshit.


by the time he left the squad was in tatters and we barly had a decent player left in the squad

This is also horseshit. If the squad was that poor and we had the "worst manager around" then when were we anywhere near the top 6?

[Mac76]

On the back of that club statement Laca and Auba will almost certainly be making plans to go, they won't stick around for more of this shit

[Özim]

But the assertion that he was the worst manager around and literally anyone would do better was horseshit and has been shown to be horseshit.

Listen fans had had enough of the guy, year upon year of the same rubbish, no progression, collapse after collapse, never getting rid of deadwood, letting top players walk out for nothing, sticking to the same system time and time again even when it wasn't working, abandoning all the things that made him sucessful in the 1st place, reluctance to spend money and when he did the majority of the time he insisted on trying to find the next big thing rather than signing a proven player, refusing to sign a DM and for years an out and out striker, harping on about top 4 being a major trophy, despite getting humiliated in the competition time and time again, choosing to criticise the fans rather than his own playing staff, is it any surprise people grew frustrated and called him the worst manager around and that anyone would do better? Sometime people say thing when they're angry/frustrated that aren't always gospel truth, the point was the man was driving the fans nuts with his stubborness.

The fact noone would have him back, even now probably tells you everything you need to know, even when things are bad we wouldn't choose to have him in charge, in fact at the moment it seems like no club does as he hasn't managed since he left us



This is also horseshit. If the squad was that poor and we had the "worst manager around" then when were we anywhere near the top 6?

The squad was awful, not being funny but look at the players we got left with, defenders that can't defend, midfielders that were average, other than the two strikers (neither of which he wanted particularly it seemed - Lacazette he barely played and Aubameyang there was talk was signed despite him being reluctant) it had very little quality, the only difference is we had a big suqad which allowed us to rest players, something the smaller clubs don't have, thus injuries/tiredness has a much great impact on their ability to last the distance, in addition the smaller clubs didn't have top strikers like we did and that's often the difference between no points and 3 points at this level.

[Özim]

On the back of that club statement Laca and Auba will almost certainly be making plans to go, they won't stick around for more of this shit

Yes not good news, once again they'll be going into their final year, so we either sell them at a knockdown price or lose them for nothing the following year, the people at the top really have no foresight, keeping Emery is a big negative in so many ways, if after 18 months the manager has no system, no best 11 and his team are incapable of putting in a good performance in half a season I don't think there's a way back.

Someone likened it to Leicester when they had Puel, they were struggling, Vardy wasn't scoring then they brought Rogers in and withing 6 months with almost the same squad they are flying high, playing great football and in 2nd place in the league. Leicester got rid of Puel, they didn't keep him around, which is exactly what we should be doing.

[IBK]

Yes not good news, once again they'll be going into their final year, so we either sell them at a knockdown price or lose them for nothing the following year, the people at the top really have no foresight, keeping Emery is a big negative in so many ways, if after 18 months the manager has no system, no best 11 and his team are incapable of putting in a good performance in half a season I don't think there's a way back.

Someone likened it to Leicester when they had Puel, they were struggling, Vardy wasn't scoring then they brought Rogers in and withing 6 months with almost the same squad they are flying high, playing great football and in 2nd place in the league. Leicester got rid of Puel, they didn't keep him around, which is exactly what we should be doing.

Couldn't agree more. The irony is that if we'd signed Rogers after Wenger, fans would have been up in arms...

[Özim]

Couldn't agree more. The irony is that if we'd signed Rogers after Wenger, fans would have been up in arms...

Probably true yes, but a few good results and it all changes, that goes for any manager, if a manager comes in wins games and the team are flying high fans would be happy. Think Rogers has had a positive impact at every club he seems to have managed, even at Liverpool they were a Gerrard slip away from the title.

To be honest I really didn't like what Ornstein said the club thought, especially the bit about being encouraged by our performance against Leicester as they are a very good side, Leicester shouldn't be capable of competing with us with their resources, the fact the powers that be think they're superior to us and a 2-0 defeant is encouraging is shocking, especially given we had 1 shot on target all match.

[Letters]

Listen fans had had enough of the guy
I know. And by the end I wanted him gone too - for his own good as much as ours.


is it any surprise people grew frustrated and called him the worst manager around and that anyone would do better? Sometime people say thing when they're angry/frustrated that aren't always gospel truth

Which would be fine had they not, every time I pointed out that obviously he's not the worst manager around, say I was "sucking his cock" and double down on the assertion.
Which is why I'm now taking the opportunity to say "I bloody told you so!"


The fact noone would have him back, even now probably tells you everything you need to know, even when things are bad we wouldn't
choose to have him in charge, in fact at the moment it seems like no club does as he hasn't managed since he left us

Yes, that could be proof of how terrible he is. Or it could be that...he's 70.
As (I think it was) MO said, how many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than they were in their 30s and 40s?
You often use the fact that he's not managed since us as a smoking gun of something. Clearly at 70 he's not at the peak of his powers.
But was he as bad as you claimed? The results since he left shows that no, no he wasn't.


The squad was awful
So we had a big, terrible squad, a manager with all the failings you site and yet it was only in his last season we were far short of the top 4. I'm sure that makes sense in your head somewhere.

[Letters]

Yes not good news, once again they'll be going into their final year, so we either sell them at a knockdown price or lose them for nothing the following year, the people at the top really have no foresight, keeping Emery is a big negative in so many ways, if after 18 months the manager has no system, no best 11 and his team are incapable of putting in a good performance in half a season I don't think there's a way back.

Someone likened it to Leicester when they had Puel, they were struggling, Vardy wasn't scoring then they brought Rogers in and withing 6 months with almost the same squad they are flying high, playing great football and in 2nd place in the league. Leicester got rid of Puel, they didn't keep him around, which is exactly what we should be doing.
Are you starting to see now that while Wenger was "a" problem, he was far from the only problem and replacing him was not going to be a silver bullet?
'Cos every time I said that I got the boring "stop sucking Wenger's cock" nonsense too. #justsayin'

[Bumble]

I know. And by the end I wanted him gone too - for his own good as much as ours.



Which would be fine had they not, every time I pointed out that obviously he's not the worst manager around, say I was "sucking his cock" and double down on the assertion.
Which is why I'm now taking the opportunity to say "I bloody told you so!"



Yes, that could be proof of how terrible he is. Or it could be that...he's 70.
As (I think it was) MO said, how many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than they were in their 30s and 40s?
You often use the fact that he's not managed since us as a smoking gun of something. Clearly at 70 he's not at the peak of his powers.
But was he as bad as you claimed? The results since he left shows that no, no he wasn't.


So we had a big, terrible squad, a manager with all the failings you site and yet it was only in his last season we were far short of the top 4. I'm sure that makes sense in your head somewhere.
maybe he just means relatively terrible compared to the invincibles... although I hope its obvious that the squad cant be terrible and finish 6th. the squad wasn't as good as it should be.

as you say though... Emery should be easy to get rid of... no history, no credit in the bank. a very good summer of transfers and yet we are worse. it can only be down to the manager. buy a player for 70m then pick a formation that he doesn't fit in to. pay a guy 350k a week and only play him when you have no real choice and its obvious there is no creativity in the side.

defensively we are still weak and we don't even have mustafi to blame anymore.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I was surprised to hear Ty for AFTV say he wouldn't have Wenger back.

I think if he were the only option I'd happily swap Emery for Wenger for the rest of the season.

[dostoy]

Why are we still talking about a man who left here 18 months and was a truly terrible manager for at least his last season here and maybe a few years before that ?

It is NOT a case of Emery or Wenger because there is no-one else.

Emery was left with some useless players that Wenger signed and he did well last season, although it was very disappointing to miss out on the top 4.

Emery has gone backwards this season with some strange tactics/team selections and even stranger substitutions.

Emery should go NOW but the Arsenal board are very very weak.

Wenger should be forgotten once and for all, If Bayern want him, and I can't believe they do, then they are crazy and must be fed up of winning league titles or anything else for that matter.

From now on, its the boards fault as Emery cannot improve things but getting rid of him and getting somebody better, will.

[Özim]

I know. And by the end I wanted him gone too - for his own good as much as ours.

Yes you did, but it took you quite some time to get there!


Which would be fine had they not, every time I pointed out that obviously he's not the worst manager around, say I was "sucking his cock" and double down on the assertion.
Which is why I'm now taking the opportunity to say "I bloody told you so!"

In some ways to Arsenal fan he was, he was the epitomy of how stale and uncompetitive the club had become, but that's neither here nor there, plenty of people could come out and say I told you so about countless things, they generally don't. Moreover, Wenger is a big reason why we are in the position we are today, uncompetitive and unambitious.


Yes, that could be proof of how terrible he is. Or it could be that...he's 70.
As (I think it was) MO said, how many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than they were in their 30s and 40s?
You often use the fact that he's not managed since us as a smoking gun of something. Clearly at 70 he's not at the peak of his powers.
But was he as bad as you claimed? The results since he left shows that no, no he wasn't..

I personally think it is, he lost his job a year and a half ago, I think there were claims he there were countless options available from memory, if he was good enough people wouldn't think twice, just like if Ferguson had chosen to move on after Man U, clubs would hav been jumping at the chance to sign him, not the case with Wenger because his stock has fallen massively and it's been recognised that for many year he just hadn't performed to the level required by a top club.


So we had a big, terrible squad, a manager with all the failings you site and yet it was only in his last season we were far short of the top 4. I'm sure that makes sense in your head somewhere.

Firstly we signed a few players in the 1st summer which helped somewhat, but as I said our squad is bigger than many others and we have two top strikers, when Wenger there were maybe 4 or 5 players worth keeping in the entire squad, we were very much lacking in quality.

[Özim]

Are you starting to see now that while Wenger was "a" problem, he was far from the only problem and replacing him was not going to be a silver bullet?
'Cos every time I said that I got the boring "stop sucking Wenger's cock" nonsense too. #justsayin'

I never once said he was the only problem, I'm aware of the other issues, but realistically he was the only one that could be removed and replaced, sadly those employed to find a replacement weren't willing to do what it takes to bring in a top/proven manager, instead they brought Emery in, who was a better choice than Arteta someone who had never managed a game in his life (that was the only other choice right?) and on paper perhaps to those who didn't know too much about his career looked like a decent 2nd tier choice, but hearing the noises from fans of previous clubs and some of the events in his career perhaps it's a bit clearer he was unlikely to be the right fit.

To go through an entire season without an away with at Sevilla, never progress in the CL and always ending up in the EL and having fans calling him negative and not wanting back, as well as his relative failure at PSG where he was outdone by Monaco despite having the riches of PSG behind him maybe should have been things those employing him had considered before doing so, I do think the bigger issue is that he is a weak manager, Neymar showed this at PSG and his time at Arsenal also shows this with the fallouts and how he's been made to look bad by his own players.

[fakeyank]

Are you starting to see now that while Wenger was "a" problem, he was far from the only problem and replacing him was not going to be a silver bullet?
'Cos every time I said that I got the boring "stop sucking Wenger's cock" nonsense too. #justsayin'

Stop sucking his dick bruh

[Letters]

Stop sucking his dick bruh

NEVER! :angry:

:p

[Bumble]

Wenger can be crossed off the list to replace Emery now

[Letters]

Wenger can be crossed off the list to replace Emery now

:crying:

[Letters]

To go through an entire season without an away with at Sevilla, never progress in the CL and always ending up in the EL and having fans calling him negative and not wanting back, as well as his relative failure at PSG where he was outdone by Monaco despite having the riches of PSG behind him maybe should have been things those employing him had considered before doing so, I do think the bigger issue is that he is a weak manager, Neymar showed this at PSG.

What a strange post from someone who was happy with his appointment...

[Özim]

What a strange post from someone who was happy with his appointment...

Not at all, I didn't know a lot about Emery when we signed him up, I really only knew him from PSG, where I thought they played decent football and I knew he'd won the EL, other than that I didn't know too much, I certainly never expected him to perform as poorly as he has, be so negative and makes so many odd decisions.

As I said I was just happy it wasn't Arteta as I just didn't want this guy involved. My choice was always someone like Simeone, but when I realised there was no hope of getting a top manager, I was happy to have Emery over someone like Arteta or some of the other names banded about (other than Allegri).

[Niall_Quinn]

We really want that Europa League title.

That might not be far from the truth of it.