Snooker Thread

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They should play with the half white-half black ball.

[Cripps_orig]

3 in 40 minutes

Need Carter to win at least 2 if not 3.

Need this match to go on til past 9pm tomorrow ffs

Come on Ali

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Black and yellow ball?

[Dennis Bendtner]

Inshallah Ali will make this competitive

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter needs to be brave. Trick shot most of the reds in.

[Syn]

Inshallah Ali will make this competitive

:haha:

Nah fuck him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:haha:

Nah fuck him.

Fuck Allah?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They should play with the half white-half black ball.

? whats this about and whats the black and yellow ball about?

[Syn]

Fuck Allah?

The Asian Clique is in danger of ruining the fine British Snooker thread.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

? whats this about and whats the black and yellow ball about?

It's half-white, it just appears yellow.

And it's just something they do the on the practice tables so you can see how the ball spins.

[Dennis Bendtner]

I noticed for a few colour pots the player seems to tell the ref what colour they're going for (and she repeats it). What's that about? You don't need to nominate colour do you?

[Rors]

*eyes time nervously*

Come on lads, time to 'Big Break'-final-round this one now...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The Asian Clique is in danger of ruining the fine British Snooker thread.

Nah they all went out by the second round.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I noticed for a few colour pots the player seems to tell the ref what colour they're going for (and she repeats it). What's that about? You don't need to nominate colour do you?

You do sometimes (I think some of the time it's when you don't intend to pot but not sure about the other times). Anyway you could get lucky, pot a different colour and it wouldn't be called a foul.

[Rors]

I noticed for a few colour pots the player seems to tell the ref what colour they're going for (and she repeats it). What's that about? You don't need to nominate colour do you?

You do indeed. That's how the ref knows how to call a foul if necessary should they miss the 'ball on'

[Cripps_orig]

9-6

Come on Ali

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That will be 9-6.

:popcorn:

[Rors]

2 speed frames now....

'Pot Black' :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That's not good practice missing the black off the spot, again.

[Cripps_orig]

2 frames to go

25 minutes to do them in

[Dennis Bendtner]

right

so is it a foul if you hit any ball other than the non-nominated one, then?

This is why the Asian Clique should stick to cricket.

[Rors]

right

so is it a foul if you hit any ball other than the non-nominated one, then?

This is why the Asian Clique should stick to cricket.


You have to hit the nominated ball first. If you don't do that, points off.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:haha:

Who nudged the table?

[Rors]

HA! Now that took a while to drop.. Carter must have stomped his foot down.

[Cripps_orig]

Wtf, it dropped?

Stupid camera missed it

BBC shocker

[Dennis Bendtner]

You have to hit the nominated ball first. If you don't do that, points off.

:good:

Makes more sense, I think.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter took my advice on power.

[Rors]

Carter wins the percentages game for a change.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He misses the black yet again.

[Cripps_orig]

Another black missed off the spot

[Rors]

..and then misses the black off the spot again :lol: Just go to sleep Al

[Rors]

Ronnie pelting through this break. He wants to be back in time for MOTD as well :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Three minutes in and already gone over 50 points.

:wacko:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

End of the break but in that burst he has probably sealed the frame.

[Cripps_orig]

Carter in now

Will be tricky to win it though

Reds are awkward

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He potted the black. :o

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:haha:

Stunning from Ronnie.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And now Ronnie gets lucky. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter neglects the pot.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter is definitely snookered here.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Foul time. :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Carter misses and needs a snooker

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I don't think this will finish before MotD.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

MOTD Time now, how many frames left?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie leads 10-6.

:bow:

[Rors]

10-6. Think Carter has to win this last frame now

[Cripps_orig]

Looks like im missing the start of MOTD

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Looks like im missing the start of MOTD

Meh its only the City game.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Stick it on the bbc website tbf.

Also, Carter. :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Great pot from Ronnie.

[Cripps_orig]

Carter misses a red down the cushion

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter just isn't with it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter fails at the crucial moment again. Ronnie sinks the first post superbly.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Although now Carter is back in. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter flukes one. :doh:

[Cripps_orig]

Carter flukes one and will win the frame barring snookers

Definite now

10-7

[McNamara That Ghost...]

10-7.

On to tomorrow. :popcorn:

[Rors]

You jammy goit :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Today's first session is on in a minute.

[Rors]

:popcorn:

[Marc Overmars]

Ahh, May bank holiday and the snooker final. Go hand in hand tbh.

'mon Ronnie!

[Syn]

When it's tight and still going 'til late, it's basically a British tradition that everyone tunes in. Even randomers that don't know the rules.

It's almost as good as Curling.

[Rors]

The 1979 UK Champion and 1985 UK Championship Finalist in the commentary box :lol:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

So how long for the first Virgo?

I'm hoping within the first frame...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie couldn't be any closer to fouling on the yellow. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So how long for the first Virgo?

I'm hoping within the first frame...

Third frame in.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This frame might have already gone for Carter.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

John S via text: "Ali Carter as Scott Parker. Battling defensive play, scores occasional long range screamers."

:unsure:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

11-7. Just a case of whether it's a century break. :wacko:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Break of 101. Shits a century out first frame of the session.

[Syn]

:unsure:

I like them both the same amount.

[Rors]

In goes the black after a virtual hit-and-hope :bow:

[Rors]

Carter used that good fortune by...er..leaving a red over the pocket :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter. :rose:

This could be over by 5pm.

[Dennis Bendtner]

CJ from Eggheads is there. FFS.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

CJ. :sick:

[Rors]

Who invited bloody CJ? :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Where's Daphne? :bow:

[Rors]

Now come on Carter. Actually do something rather than just a tentative stab that ends up hitting a stray red full-ball and leaving it over the pocket....

[Rors]

Where's Daphne? :bow:

Keppel might be around for the evening session....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Though only for the cucumber sandwiches I suspect.

Carter has a chance in this frame. :o Well if he can actually position the cue ball.

[Rors]

For crying out loud Carter. Pink off the spot blobbed. Just concede man.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter. :haha:

He pubbed another one.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

12-7. :lol:

[LDG]

Carter seems to be Arsenaling it right up :lol:

[Rors]

Thanks Hendry.....

[LDG]

I'm not Hendry :unsure:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Virgo had a chance to say it!

[LDG]

Virgo had a chance to say it!

:lol:

He's been avoiding it the last couple of days.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think he is worried about giving the impression it isn't a natural reaction.

Also, reds everywhere. :scarf:

[Rors]

Come on Carter, these reds are a godsend....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He is having a mare.

[Rors]

Go home Ali.

[Syn]

:lol:

What a village player.

17th best in the world? He's probably not even the 17th best in the room.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter has another chance now, although I don't see the point.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:faint:

[Rors]

:rolleyes:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Er not a very good safety shot Ronnie.

[Dennis Bendtner]

This frame has been alwful.

[Rors]

Okay, i think we can start asking a question or two now....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Then again he is playing Carter.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's all about line and length.

Wrong sport, Virgo.

[Syn]

Carter :haha:

Come on Snooker.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

13-7. Carter should just chuck it in now.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Carter is having a shocker. Hope he doesn't do the Ebdon and take 5 minutes a shot now.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter should see if he can play on the kids table instead.

[Marc Overmars]

No late finish by the looks of it then. :rose:

[Syn]

If there's a ball on every spot (i.e. some reds on there as well) where does a colour ball go when you've potted it?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What's Michaela doing? :haha:

[Rors]

Michaela :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

If there's a ball on every spot (i.e. some reds on there as well) where does a colour ball go when you've potted it?

As close as it can possibly go to its own spot, I think.

[Syn]

As close as it can possibly go to its own spot, I think.

I see.

In pub rules it's always: "yeah just stick it anywhere behind the line.

[Syn]

Noooo!

Oh it's alright it's only Ray Carter.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pub rules are better.

Carter has a chance of nabbing this frame though he probably needs to clear up. :rose:

[Syn]

:haha:

What awful positioning to end up that far away from the yellow.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol:

What a dick. The yellow is safe though.

[Rors]

Inevitable

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie has the snooker.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:haha:

Awful.

[Syn]

That wasn't even close.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

14-7. And with that, any hope.

:rose:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

That is probably the end.

May as well just get someone from the crowd to finish the match.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

John Parrot gives Carter some crumb of comfort. Hendry basically calls him out as a bit shit.

:lol:

[Rors]

Blackburn - Wigan tonight it is then......

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie and Carter on their way back out.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter gives Ronnie an assist.

[Rors]

Gift. That Ali will soon no doubt return

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie can do whatever he wants knowing he will be back on the table very quickly.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie knocks the pink in. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Another break er breaks down for Carter.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

14-8.

:faint:

At least that means it will go to the final session of the day now.

[Rors]

Carter wins an actual real-life frame :faint:

[Rors]

And another one. Hello...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

14-9.

It's on!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

A century break too.

[LDG]

Ronnie's lost it a bit here....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter breaks down on 6. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter. :lol:

I could see a mile off he was going to knock the yellow in.

[LDG]

Ronnie is doing his best to Arsenal this one up too....:(

Needs one of the last two here to keep confidence....and it doesn't look like he'll get this one....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

14-10.

:sick:

[Marc Overmars]

Yep, he's Arsenal'd it. Almost.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This is taking a long time to rearrange after Carter's foul and a miss. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter pots the cue ball now. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie 74-0 up, still a few reds on the tabel but on the base of the table. Carter has come to the table but really this should be Ronnie's frame.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

15-10. :bow:

[Rors]

15-10 it is then.

[Rors]

Left-handed double :bow:

[LDG]

:bow:

Come on Ron.

Roll on 7.30pm :popcorn:

[Rors]

Michaela Tabb ‏ @MichaelaTabb
Wow, what a session that was! I was shaking so much with that pink, I was scared I would knock the balls everywhere! Lol Game on now! :-) x

:bow:

[LDG]

Michaela :loveblush:

[Marc Overmars]

I would, tbf.

[Rors]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpGpJcQtZFQ

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:popcorn:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Hendry is out there for one last time, again.

[LDG]

:popcorn:

Are they all in their Tuxes?

:bow:

[Rors]

Got to win the first two Carter or you're toast

[Rors]

Hendry is out there for one last time, again.

One.Night.Only

<_<

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Brave call Taylor. Carter's plan is to take this first frame apparently.

[Rors]

Brave call Taylor. Carter's plan is to take this first frame apparently.

:faint: How do you do it Holmes?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie. :bow:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I'd say he has to win one of the first 3...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Serj. :doh:

[Rors]

"Kasabian are doing wonders in the rock world". Don't Willie, just don't :lol:

[LDG]

Damien Hurst having problems seeing I think...

[LDG]

Ronnie :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

One.Night.Only

More returns than Ric Flair.

[Rors]

16-10. Close to the edge now.

[Rors]

More returns than Ric Flair.

"FOREVER!!" :lol: <_<

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter has to be more brave, he's just Nasri-ing his way through it.

[LDG]

Oh look. It's Ronnie Junior.....again.

[Syn]

Dear god. What is he doing.

Worst finalist ever?

[Syn]

Fair play. I'll shut up.

[LDG]

Great shot by Carter there.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Ronnie jr and Ebdon should have a game on another table. Put it on the red button. Save this cameraman a job.

[Rors]

Watch Ronnie get the snooker now.

:doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Carter fucks it up at the end. Ronnie comes to the table now.

:haha:

[LDG]

16-11

Jeez.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That will eventually be 16-11 then.

[LDG]

Ronnie gets a slice there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Dennis Taylor is getting impatient, calling for mid-session intervals when he wants one.

Foul and a miss from Carter. :popcorn:

[LDG]

Don't think I've seen anyone break into the bunch yet and spread them nicely.....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

17-11, just a case (again) of a century or not.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Which he doesn't.

Anyway though, one frame away. :popcorn:

[LDG]

Carter :lol:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Going on about the handshake again.

It hasn't worked.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Shut up about Kasabian, Willie!

[LDG]

Shut up about Kasabian, Willie!

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie is just having fun spraying the balls around now.

[LDG]

What a shot

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ronnie. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This should be it.

BBC are going to get complaints for their obsession with showing Ronnie's kid.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

18-11. Ronnie is the four time Champion. :bow:

Carter. :haha:

What a pub teamer.

[LDG]

Get in!!!! Ronnie wins!! :bow:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

18-11. Ronnie is the four time Champion. :bow:

Carter. :haha:

What a pub teamer.
Compared to Ronnie, everyone is.

[LDG]

Compared to Ronnie, everyone is.

:gp:

[LDG]

:trophy:

[Syn]

Ronnie is the ultimate pub teamer. That's why everyone loves him.

Rough around the edges tbh.

Natural ability :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:sick:

Drop the kid off and man up Ronnie.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

"He's unplayable at times".

Snooker's Dids. :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

FFS Carter

Could have won 4 more frames at least ot make it last longer

[LDG]

There is a void in my life :(

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Floaty?

And yeah I don't know what to do from 2pm now.

[GP]

Found this on Wiki...

'When he first displayed this left-handed ability in the 1996 World Championship against Alain Robidoux, the Canadian accused him of disrespect. O'Sullivan responded that he played better with his left hand than Robidoux could with his right.[182] O'Sullivan was summoned to a disciplinary hearing in response to Robidoux's formal complaint, where he had to prove that he could play to a high level with his left hand. He played three frames of snooker against former world championship runner-up Rex Williams, winning all three. The charge of bringing the game into disrepute was subsequently dropped'

:lol:

:bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol:

Canadians. :lol:

[LDG]

Ronnie :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Hearn has orgnasied a 50 week schedule for players

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Hopefully 49 weeks in China just to annoy Carter.

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/18346651

Ronnie takes time off from snooker

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/19567528

Davis :popcorn:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Snooker is back. :bow:

UK Championship started this weekend.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

trump favourite.

silly haircuts :bow:

gets you to world number 1 :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Trump is out :lol: as is Mark Allen. Ronnie not in this. Most importantly, as a great man once said or in this case said it 3 times in the last 15 mins I've been watching on the red button "where's the cue ball going?" is back

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I've got to get that t-shirt.

[LDG]

Snooker :bow:

Ronnie :rose:

Might have to watch some of this later on my new super-tele.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's not on BBC HD, they need to sort their lives out.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Robertson is 3-0 up on Ford, just put away his second century break too.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And Robertson wins 6-1.

Ford. :lol:

Awlful car.

[LDG]

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Higgins got a 147. :bow:

Didn't stop him losing to Davis though.

[Cripps_orig]

Shaun Murphy v Mark Selby in the final. Murphy won a great semi v Carter coming back from 8-4 down. Selby beat Mark Davis comfortably enough 9-4

[Cripps_orig]

Final on now. Selby is back as world number 1 regardless of the result today but he'll want to win as he doesn't want to be regarded as the snooker version of a Female Tennis number 1 as he hasn't won either of the 2 big tournaments yet

[Cripps_orig]

2-2 at the interval. Decent match

[Cripps_orig]

First session ended 4-4. Murphy takes a 5-4 lead after a brilliant clearance from 67-0 down considering there were reds, yellow and the pink all safe so to clear up from there was one of the best I've seen

[Cripps_orig]

6-6 at the interval :popcorn: Looks like its going all the way. Talk about Ronnie and the emergence of Snooker in the Far East and how the Rocket isn't needed as much as he used to be to popularize the sport

[Özim]

Boy he looks happy!

[Cripps_orig]

Selby wins it 10-6. Not sure what the next event is or when it is but all eyes go towards the crucible in April. If Ronnie wants to be in that, he has to declare it by mid February.

[Özim]

The Masters in January is next.

[Cripps_orig]

January 13th live on the BBC. I'll miss most if not all of it due to work ffs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Selby wins it 10-6. Not sure what the next event is or when it is but all eyes go towards the crucible in April. If Ronnie wants to be in that, he has to declare it by mid February.

World Championship When is that?

Murphy :haha:

[LDG]

Missed all of this :(

Ah well. Always the trip to the lakeside to look forward to over Christmas :popcorn:

[Cripps_orig]

World Championship When is that?Murphy :haha:Um April....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

January 13th live on the BBC. I'll miss most if not all of it due to work ffs.

sounds good, jan will be a good month od sport tbh. With the Aussie open on the 14th Jan.

[Cripps_orig]

Selby wins the Masters as well. He's won the 2nd and 3rd biggest competitions in Snooker. Can he do the treble?

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/21458718

:doh:

Also the welsh open is on atm.

New Indian sensation has knocked Murphy and Dott out

[LDG]

Ronnie to defend his world title :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

If he wins it after a year out, there's no doubt he's the best of all time.

[Cripps_orig]

Fat boy Stephen Lee banned from the crucible due to ongoing investigation in match fixing

[Cripps_orig]

Jimmy Wite in to the final qualifier for the world championship.

Just need to win one more match and he's back where he belongs.

The draw for the event is on the 15th with the first match on the 20th

Finally we can hear the awesome Virgoisms once again

[Cripps_orig]

White is 6-3 down ffs

[Cripps_orig]

Draw for the first round of the Betfair World Championship, beginning in Sheffield on Saturday:

Judd Trump v Dominic Dale
Mark Williams v Michael White
John Higgins v Mark Davis
Barry Hawkins v Jack Lisowski
Stuart Bingham v Sam Baird
Matthew Stevens v Marco Fu
Ali Carter v Ben Woollaston
Neil Robertson v Robert Milkins
Mark Selby v Matthew Selt
Ricky Walden v Michael Holt
Ronnie O'Sullivan v Marcus Campbell
Shaun Murphy v Martin Gould
Ding Junhui v Alan McManus
Steven Maguire v Dechawat Poomjaeng
Graeme Dott v Peter Ebdon
Mark Allen v Mark King

[Cripps_orig]

Ronnie won 10-4

[Cripps_orig]

Sunday 21 April

(best of 19 frames)
10:00
Graeme Dott (Sco) 6-2 Peter Ebdon (Eng)
80-22 (60), 65-11, 50-65, 107-0 (55, 52)

Ricky Walden (Eng) 10-1 Michael Holt (Eng)
91-11 (76), 66-56, 140-0 (140), 60-39, 79-0 (78), 60-8, 13-67 (54), 76-0, 67-59, 80-59 (61), 66-30

14:30
John Higgins (Sco) v Mark Davis (Eng)

Mark Williams (Wal) 4-5 Michael White (Wal)
1-88 (87), 5-96 (55), 94-23 (61), 36-87 (67), 33-63 (57), 66-25, 87-2 (71), 104-0 (54), 39-91

19:00
Shaun Murphy (Eng) 5-4 Martin Gould (Eng)
5-72 (72), 44-57, 49-46, 79-7, 112-0 (112), 6-81 (64), 88-40, 88-1 (80), 7-72

Barry Hawkins (Eng) 6-3 Jack Lisowski (Eng)
53-82 (82), 60-16, 69-61 (69), 63-2 (50), 1-106 (100), 97-0 (97), 107-1 (100), 77-0 (66), 26-49

[Cripps_orig]

Sunday 21 April

(best of 19 frames)
10:00
Graeme Dott (Sco) 6-2 Peter Ebdon (Eng)
80-22 (60), 65-11, 50-65, 107-0 (55, 52)

Ricky Walden (Eng) 10-1 Michael Holt (Eng)
91-11 (76), 66-56, 140-0 (140), 60-39, 79-0 (78), 60-8, 13-67 (54), 76-0, 67-59, 80-59 (61), 66-30

14:30
John Higgins (Sco) v Mark Davis (Eng)

Mark Williams (Wal) 4-5 Michael White (Wal)
1-88 (87), 5-96 (55), 94-23 (61), 36-87 (67), 33-63 (57), 66-25, 87-2 (71), 104-0 (54), 39-91

19:00
Shaun Murphy (Eng) 5-4 Martin Gould (Eng)
5-72 (72), 44-57, 49-46, 79-7, 112-0 (112), 6-81 (64), 88-40, 88-1 (80), 7-72

Barry Hawkins (Eng) 6-3 Jack Lisowski (Eng)
53-82 (82), 60-16, 69-61 (69), 63-2 (50), 1-106 (100), 97-0 (97), 107-1 (100), 77-0 (66), 26-49

[Cripps_orig]

Mark Williams is out

Lost 10-6

Higgins is 6-3 down.

[Cripps_orig]

Higgins is out

As is Allen and Maguire.

[Cripps_orig]

And now Robertson.

Ronnies to lose

[Cripps_orig]

Selby out

[LDG]

I've still not managed to catch any of the snooker yet.

Ronnie is on tonight, so I'll make sure I'm tuned in.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He's gone for a shit
He's gone for a shit
Mark King has gone for a shit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ding has just made it 12-9 against King. One away.