Vigil v Brighton (home)

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wow.

Man City next at home in the league. :rose:

Utter disaster of a season now, if it wasn't before. Would've gone 5th win a win, heady heights.

As it is, now well and truly mid table.

[Bumble]

For 20 mins we played high tempo. Looked sort of good but didnt create huge amounts but looked on top. Yet brighton weathered the storm and won.

If man city attack like they can they could put 5 past us. 22 league goals this year and we concede in every game. That is not a good combination.

A new manager wont resolve this.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd are the next three home league games. Oh dear.

[Mac76]

Pepe did his best to make things happen but that's about all

We need Allegri in right now to steady the ship

[topgun]

If the Kronkes are not got out of this club, we are totally f====d. What manager worth his salt is going to take this job with this bunch of waster's, I just can't see how we are going to get out of this mess. We need to get owners in that are committed to this club.

[Bumble]

Pepe did his best to make things happen but that's about all

We need Allegri in right now to steady the ship

Why would allegri want to join. Bayern job is vacant.

We are getting dangerously close to needing alladyce in to steady the ship!!

[AFC Leveller]

Relegation form, worrying times for the club.

Just cannot are us winning ANY game these days. City at home next is gonna be torture.

[Bumble]

West ham away
City home
Everton away
Bournemouth away
Chelsea home

[rodders]

This team will be relegated unless drastic action is taken. Kroenkes not capable of grasping or addressing the situation

[Özim]

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd are the next three home league games. Oh dear.

With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall immediately is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

[AFC Leveller]

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

While I agree that Wenger had to go 5 years ago at least, we were never this shit under him. We used to beat these teams comfortably at home.

We have become a mid table team and it’s worrying because we are below Sheffield, Wolves and level on points with Newcastle and only a handful of points ahead of 18th.

[Özim]

With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

[AFC Leveller]

With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

I agree 100% with you..... though I think the cheap andd smart compromise would be recruiting Rafa till the end of the season. Similar to what he did with the chavs that year.

[Özim]

While I agree that Wenger had to go 5 years ago at least, we were never this shit under him. We used to beat these teams comfortably at home.

We have become a mid table team and it’s worrying because we are below Sheffield, Wolves and level on points with Newcastle and only a handful of points ahead of 18th.

We we're pretty rubbish to be fair playing boring football, but the league is stronger now with better teams, Wenger was already falling away when we finally sacked him. It all started there, he brought in sub standard players, wasting most of the money we had, allowed our best players to run down their contracts and leave and never ever had a go at his players even when they got thrashed and there were a fair few of those.

That's where it all started, again though we were too slow to replace Emery, that's sums up this club, lacking ambition and too slow to do anything.

[AFC Leveller]

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

[Bumble]

I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

I have said rafa before. He is used to coming into a crisis club. He has won things. He knows the league and more realistic than allegri and simone who would have a much steaper learning curve

[Mac76]

I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

Yes, me too if we can't get Allegri

[Mac76]

Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

Can't believe Freddie just sat on his arse at the end of that game instead of urging them on, total lack of leadership when they needed it

[Bumble]

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

I agree xhaka has to play he is better than guendouzi and we have no one else. Letting ramsey go on a free was insane as we have no goals from midfield. Cant just rely on laca and auba

[Özim]

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

Torreira should be playing in front of the defence, he's very good at that, Guendouzi has legs at least, can also play Luiz there as he's better in midfield, Chamber is better there as well, take your pick, Xhaka is just the favourite, he should be nowhere near the team on talent or due to his behaviour, he almost cost us a 3rd goal when he got caught o the ball.

Martinelli or Pepe should have started as well as should Tierney over Kolasinac.

[Özim]

Can't believe Freddie just sat on his arse at the end of that game instead of urging them on, total lack of leadership when they needed it

He's not a leader, that's just not him and from what I can tell he's learnt from his predecessors which isn't a good thing.

[Chippy]

Wow.

Man City next at home in the league. :rose:

Utter disaster of a season now, if it wasn't before. Would've gone 5th win a win, heady heights.

As it is, now well and truly mid table.
We are in a relegation dog fight my friend. Make no mistake about that.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I have said rafa before. He is used to coming into a crisis club. He has won things. He knows the league and more realistic than allegri and simone who would have a much steaper learning curve

Most people looked past him because it seemed like we weren't in a crisis. I know that was the reason I did.

Anyway its clear now to everyone how serious this battle we face is.

I think more importantly we just need to stabilize our club and shelve our dreams of having a manager that would be the envy of our former rivals.

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - I forgot we were playing. Just seen the score now. Can't say it surprises me because Brighton are a well organised team.

I, like many others, warned that Wenger would transform this club into a mid-table team. And I apologise for that. I should have said relegation team.

Well, the season is an absolute write-off now, so no harm trying some really crazy shit.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If we end up in a relegation fight, which is looking increasingly likely, who feels confident this team is equipped to deal with it?

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I agree xhaka has to play he is better than guendouzi and we have no one else. Letting ramsey go on a free was insane as we have no goals from midfield. Cant just rely on laca and auba

Emery taking the deal of the the table was my first big gripe with him and I knew that decision would come back to haunt us in a big way.

Man the guy did a number on us!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Indeed. Emery took the deal off the table. Then he had to rely on Ramsey. Aaron showed nothing but class and professionalism throughout that period right up to the day he left.

Now look at us.

Ughh

[Niall_Quinn]

West ham away
City home
Everton away
Bournemouth away
Chelsea home

We might get a draw vs the Hammers away.

Gypos is a guaranteed loss.

Everton away - maybe a draw.

Bournemouth away - we'll lose that one.

Chavs at home - a loss.

I'd say 2 points from 15 coming up. And that should plunge us into the relegation fight. We won't actually get relegated. In fact, somewhere along the line we'll probably string a few results together and finish in a mid-table spot. But if we don't sort out this shit at board and executive level we'll be in a genuine relegation scrap next season. And I have no confidence we'll sort it out, because it was the same Kroenke's who watched Wenger gut the whole operation, and the hired a limp-wristed replacement on the strength of a decent Powerpoint presentation (apparently). Klopp was the guy - we missed that. Then Pep - we missed that. Now it's Simeone but we won't even try. And, make no mistake, the next guy has to have as much power as Wenger did because plainly there's nobody else at the club who can make a decision worth pissing on. We can't be blaming Freddie for this - he's just a guy on the spot, one week into a nightmare. We'd better be blaming the wankers who watched the idiot stabbing holes in the hull every week while they fiddled on deck.

[Niall_Quinn]

Indeed. Emery took the deal off the table. Then he had to rely on Ramsey. Aaron showed nothing but class and professionalism throughout that period right up to the day he left.

Now look at us.

Ughh

I think you're forgetting about the sustainability model we pride ourselves in. Seriously, they boast about it. It's almost as if balancing the books is the new Top 4 Trophy. Arsenal has more than enough to punch out of this if everyone is committed. But we're pinning it all on a magical manager to transform the complacency and laziness and sheer head-in-the-sand idiocy of at least a decade.

Years back, they decided Football Fair Play was going to be a thing and they spotted a way to profit from that whilst propping up the illusion of competitiveness (or, shall we say, the whole point of the sport). Many of the fans were conned, and so Wenger lingered and rotted us out, year after year. We're halfway down the plunge now with gravity working against us. And the main question still seems to be, who can we bring in to defeat gravity. Bigger (and saner) questions than that need asking.

[selassie]

Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

If Simeone is available now then yes we should take him. But honestly...this season is over anyway regardless of who comes in so I'd much rather wait until the end of the season.

We won't go down and we won't be finishing top 4 or winning FA Cup or Europa irrespective of who is in charge, the team has too many issues IMO.

[selassie]

I think you're forgetting about the sustainability model we pride ourselves in. Seriously, they boast about it. It's almost as if balancing the books is the new Top 4 Trophy. Arsenal has more than enough to punch out of this if everyone is committed. But we're pinning it all on a magical manager to transform the complacency and laziness and sheer head-in-the-sand idiocy of at least a decade.

Years back, they decided Football Fair Play was going to be a thing and they spotted a way to profit from that whilst propping up the illusion of competitiveness (or, shall we say, the whole point of the sport). Many of the fans were conned, and so Wenger lingered and rotted us out, year after year. We're halfway down the plunge now with gravity working against us. And the main question still seems to be, who can we bring in to defeat gravity. Bigger (and saner) questions than that need asking.

We spent a ton of money this summer, it's looking like it was in the wrong areas...but we can't play the pauper anymore, Emery spent a fortune over the past 2 summer windows. Money is no longer the issue.

[Chippy]

If we end up in a relegation fight, which is looking increasingly likely, who feels confident this team is equipped to deal with it?

No. Too many average players with no spirit. We really are in the shit.

[Niall_Quinn]

We spent a ton of money this summer, it's looking like it was in the wrong areas...but we can't play the pauper anymore, Emery spent a fortune over the past 2 summer windows. Money is no longer the issue.

We also cleared a lot of money off the books, so the net spend wasn't as impressive as you might imagine. But yes, we spent. I think our spending has been more out of desperation though, more designed to replace what's leaving rather than build on what we have. Alexis and Ramsey wanting out dictated a lot of what we did in the transfer windows. It's likely the main reason why, unbelievably, we haven't sunk cash into a quality central defender. That's where the money should have gone. Followed up by some quality in the middle. But we haven't had a sensible strategy for contracts and transfers in a long time. Ever since Wenger virtually helped Cesc out the door to follow his dreams and his DNA, we haven't had the first clue. Every priority fucked up in every way.

[Mac76]

Torreira should be playing in front of the defence, he's very good at that, Guendouzi has legs at least, can also play Luiz there as he's better in midfield, Chamber is better there as well, take your pick, Xhaka is just the favourite, he should be nowhere near the team on talent or due to his behaviour, he almost cost us a 3rd goal when he got caught o the ball.

Martinelli or Pepe should have started as well as should Tierney over Kolasinac.

:gp:

[Mac76]

No. Too many average players with no spirit. We really are in the shit.

I agree, no-one's 'too good to go down' and i think all the other teams have the potential to get results, Newcastle have turned their season around and the promoted teams are mostly doing well.

If we can't even manage a draw at home against Brighton we are so fucked - we need to throw money at a really experienced manager now, whatever it takes, this is not time for a freddie or arteta

[Marc Overmars]

Can’t believe how much of an utter shambles we are. Forget the coach, most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt.

If we cannot get it together over Christmas, make no mistake about it we will find ourselves looking at the relegation zone. There isn’t a single team in the league we can be confident of beating. What a fucking shit show, someone remind me, why did we move to the Emirates again?

[Ralpheroo72]

Can’t believe how much of an utter shambles we are. Forget the coach, most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt.

If we cannot get it together over Christmas, make no mistake about it we will find ourselves looking at the relegation zone. There isn’t a single team in the league we can be confident of beating. What a fucking shit show, someone remind me, why did we move to the Emirates again?

The move has to be seen as a failure, we have gone backwards beyond recognition. We became attractive to scum like Kroenke, and we are now seeing the consequences of this.

[Gooner23]

This team is completely broken but at least we wont have to play in the Europa League next season :yippee:

[Gooner23]

The rot started with Wenger but you have to ask what on earth Emery has been doing on the training ground with these players the last season and a half. And until recently Raul wanted to extend his deal, what a disgrace. The next managerial appointment needs to be smart as the team needs a complete re-set. I just have no faith in the higher powers making the right decision though.

[Marc Overmars]

This team is completely broken but at least we wont have to play in the Europa League next season :yippee:

Apparently Brighton, Watford and Southampton managed 82 shots combined against us. While we managed only 32 shots...

Broken is putting it lightly. There is something fundamentally wrong in every facet of this team, right from the way we defend, control the midfield and construct attacks. It is a complete mess, the players don't know what they're supposed to be doing and it's looking like most of them don't have the fight in them to claw us back up the table.

I'm actually stunned at how bad this is getting. It was anger before but now I'm genuinely alarmed.

[Özim]

Honestly think we're the worst team in the league on form at the moment, all the bottom sides are outplaying us and going away unlucky they haven't won.

[Letters]

It's quite amusing to see the people who for years were confidently proclaiming that Wenger was so inept that any manager would come in and do better now desperately flailing around trying to pretend that of course what they really meant is that Wenger left us in a state such that anyone coming in would have a difficult task to turn things around.
The fact is Wenger didn't leave us as a mid-table team or worse. His last season was the only one in which we were nowhere near the top 4 and last year with a bit of a new manager bounce we got 9 more points than the previous year and were once again very close to the top 4. Had it not been for a pathetic collapse at the end we'd have sailed into the top 4 last year. Wenger left us in a state perfectly capable of challenging for top 4 - the proof of that is how close we went last year, we really should have finished in the top 4.

Emery had 3 transfer windows to try and improve things, there was some success last season but this year has been a complete mess. Freddie is not a football manager but he's an Arsenal man and thus starts with a lot of good will from the fans. I honestly expected a bit of a new manager bounce but it hasn't happened and that good will has evaporated in the space of 2 games. We aren't going down and I don't think we're going to get sucked into that mess but right now we are going to bumble around in mid-table which with our resources and the prices they're charging to watch isn't anywhere near good enough.
We need to get a proper manager in now. Mourinho took over a good squad which was under-performing and has immediately made an impact. Get the right person in now and they will with us too.

Only silver lining from last night is I was out and so didn't have to use my Amazon Prime membership to waste 2 hours of my life.

[Özim]

The move has to be seen as a failure, we have gone backwards beyond recognition. We became attractive to scum like Kroenke, and we are now seeing the consequences of this.

An absolute disaster of a move in almost every season, the team has regressed beyond belief, the staff don't seem to care anymore, the owners are only interested in one thing.

Let this be a warning to any club who dares to move too slowly getting rid of a manager, if we'd got rid of Wenger 5-6 years ago we'd have the CL money for any new manager, we wouldn't have spent most of our cash reserves on duds and there would be an opportunity to rebuild, instead we let it go on because of sum misplaced sense of loyalty towards someone who was leading us into the abyss and this is where we are now.

Didn't help we then were left with a choice of Arteta or Emery at which point Emery looked like a good option, but as someone pointed out somewhere his record prior to coming to us was very questionnable, even if the fans didn't know much about him. Now we've finally got rid of Emery, much too late of course but once again with no real plan, rather than us planning when things were clearly going wrong and talking to different options we've started now, it's a joke.

[Özim]

It's quite amusing to see the people who for years were confidently proclaiming that Wenger was so inept that any manager would come in and do better now desperately flailing around trying to pretend that of course what they really meant is that Wenger left us in a state such that anyone coming in would have a difficult task to turn things around.
The fact is Wenger didn't leave us as a mid-table team or worse. His last season was the only one in which we were nowhere near the top 4 and last year with a bit of a new manager bounce we got 9 more points than the previous year and were once again very close to the top 4. Had it not been for a pathetic collapse at the end we'd have sailed into the top 4 last year. Wenger left us in a state perfectly capable of challenging for top 4 - the proof of that is how close we went last year, we really should have finished in the top 4.

Emery had 3 transfer windows to try and improve things, there was some success last season but this year has been a complete mess. Freddie is not a football manager but he's an Arsenal man and thus starts with a lot of good will from the fans. I honestly expected a bit of a new manager bounce but it hasn't happened and that good will has evaporated in the space of 2 games. We aren't going down and I don't think we're going to get sucked into that mess but right now we are going to bumble around in mid-table which with our resources and the prices they're charging to watch isn't anywhere near good enough.
We need to get a proper manager in now. Mourinho took over a good squad which was under-performing and has immediately made an impact. Get the right person in now and they will with us too.

Only silver lining from last night is I was out and so didn't have to use my Amazon Prime membership to waste 2 hours of my life.

He's the reason this is happening you do realise that don't you? Had we got rid when we should have 5-6 years ago we'd never be where we are now. The facts are he just wasn't doing the right things for quite a few years and in his latter years he wasted what money we had built up on really poor players on the whole leaving a new manager with nothing. Had we got rid a while back we'd still be in the CL and would have had money for players, the problems had been going on years, every season was the same and the limit of our ambition was 4th under him, the CL was never a serious option neither was the league.

When he left we were already sliding down the league and unfortunately other teams have improved since he left, these days there's more teams challenging for top 4 than before.

Yes the board are to blame for this, but he played his part in this disaster, doesn't help that we then continued to look for the cheap option rather than getting a proven manager though.

[Letters]

He's the reason this is happening you do realise that don't you?
The season before he left we were a couple of points off the top 4 and won the FA Cup.
The season after he left we were a couple of points off the top 4 and got to the Europa League Final.
His last season is the only one where we were far from the top 4
Last season showed he left us with a squad perfectly capable of challenging for the top 4 - we were couple of points away even with the collapse at the end.
You suck the cock of Spurs' squad, they finished a point above us last year., they're not all that.
For years you were saying anyone would do better than Wenger. You were wrong, you have been shown to be wrong


Had we got rid when we should have 5-6 years ago we'd never be where we are now.
Speculation.


The facts are he just wasn't doing the right things for quite a few years and in his latter years he wasted what money we had built up on really poor players on the whole leaving a new manager with nothing.

Wenger was doing some things wrong, agreed. And he certainly stayed too long. But if he left the new manager with nothing then why were you saying any manager would do better if you knew that would be impossible? And if he left the new manager with nothing then why did we challenge for the top 4 last year and get to a major European Final?
Since then we had another transfer window to sort out issues, we seemed to sign pretty well but we're a mess.


Had we got rid a while back we'd still be in the CL and would have had money for players
Again. We were a point away last year, and we've spent plenty of money in the last few years.
The mess this season is all down to Emery - he contrived to make a bad defence worse. He completely mismanaged the Ozil situation. He made Xhaka the captain FFS!
We need to get a proper manager in now. I like Freddie but he's not a manager.

[dostoy]

Ozil, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Luiz and maybe Xhaka are useless.

Arsenal need to give Holding/Chambers a chance as the CB pairing with Bellend and Tierney as the full backs.

Martinelli needs to play more, even as a winger.

What a mess it has become.

It all started with the Wenger who was useless in his last season and maybe before that although Emery, this season, has been just as bad which is hard to believe.

A new manager is needed very quickly.

[Chippy]

Ozil, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Luiz and maybe Xhaka are useless.

Arsenal need to give Holding/Chambers a chance as the CB pairing with Bellend and Tierney as the full backs.

Martinelli needs to play more, even as a winger.

What a mess it has become.

It all started with the Wenger who was useless in his last season and maybe before that although Emery, this season, has been just as bad which is hard to believe.

A new manager is needed very quickly.

Brendan Rodgers has signed an extension to his Leicester contract today. Poch would rather manage a farm. Allegri wouldnt touch us with a fucking barge pole. It is either Rafa or big Sam to save us from the drop.
How the mighty have fallen. Be careful what you wish for.

[Globalgunner]

Ozil, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Luiz and maybe Xhaka are useless.

Arsenal need to give Holding/Chambers a chance as the CB pairing with Bellend and Tierney as the full backs.

Martinelli needs to play more, even as a winger.

What a mess it has become.

It all started with the Wenger who was useless in his last season and maybe before that although Emery, this season, has been just as bad which is hard to believe.

A new manager is needed very quickly.

Holding Chambers still have a ceiling , can still be redeemed by a clued in manager. The others you mentioned are basically old junk. Maybe too stubborn even to realise how crap they are and change their ways. Far from bringing experience they have brought calamity

[fakeyank]

Nothing makes sense at this club anymore to me.

1) How do we keep starting Sokratis and Luiz pretty much every game in the PL this season when they have been absolutely shambolic?! Why arent we trying anything different?! Chambers/Holding, Mav/Holding, Sokartis/Chambers, Sokratis/Holding.. FFS, just try something different!!

2) Our central midfield is an absolute disaster.. even worse than central defense. Have you guys ever noticed how open it is?! There is zero positioning or awareness of teammates or other players. One of the most important thing I learned playing semi-competitively was that you know your position on the pitch. I could not for the life of me understand how Xhaka, Willock and Torreira were all over the pitch.. they were getting dragged out of position at pretty much every counter attack. These are fucking professional footballers who should know better. This is astonishing!!

3) I really do think we have good players in the club.. even in defense. Not good enough to be winning the title but definitely be near the top 4. What I think is lacking is proper coaching and a manager who will make tough decisions. Good ebening wasnt the one, Ljunberg definitely does not look like one either. We need to go back to basics and sort this shit out.. this is horrendous!

[rodders]

I see relegation as almost inevitable and under present ownership I do not see a quick way back. What is worse I have gone past caring.

[Mac76]

I see relegation as almost inevitable and under present ownership I do not see a quick way back. What is worse I have gone past caring.

Given our upcoming fixtures i wouldn't be surprised if we're in the bottom three come january - the Kroenkes need to get a proper manager in right now to get these guys into shape, freddie's already written himself out IMO