Matteo Guendouzi

[Chippy]

I read a few articles today that Arteta would be giving Guendouzi another chance at Arsenal.

For me, I reckon that would be a good move. He is a bit raw but has the heart and shows some good skills to become a very decent player for us. Thoughts?

[GP]

He's a good player but apparently his attitude is shit.

If he can knuckle down I'm all for keeping him.

[Marc Overmars]

If he can channel being a cunt in the right way to help the team, then I don’t mind him staying. I’m all for having a little shit out there who will scrap for everything and wind up opponents. Cesc was great at that.

The trouble is he seems a bit too big for his boots, if he’s ready to show a bit of humility then great. If not then take 30-40m and move on.

[I am invisible]

I’m not convinced it’s any more than attempt to make us look less desperate to sell, but we’ll see.

It’s a shame it’s got to this point because I really think he could learn a lot from Arteta, if he’d just shut up and listen. Wouldn’t be against him getting another chance, if he’s actually serious about it, but I don’t want him anywhere near the group if he’s going to keep acting like a 2yo...

[selassie]

Seems we are stuck with him. We have spent all summer whoreing all over Europe and not one team wants to touch him.

He needs us way more than we need him.

United just signed that Van De Beek from Ajax for what 37mill. Guendouzi is worth 20mill max, he hasn’t achieved anything yet.

[Gooner23]

I think he will leave still, despite Arteta's public comments I think the bridges are well and truly burned.

But it could well end up being a loan move, as with a lot of the players we are trying to flog.

It's just a terrible time to be trying to sell your rejects, other than the small group of clubs with no budget constraints, no one else has any money.

[Mac76]

i still remember him coming on and having that driving run against Villa and winning us a pel, plus he was the only one (apart from Leno himself) having a go when Leno got taken out

we need someone who's prepared to instill some energy, and stand up for his teammates

sure maybe he's misdirected that anger once or twice but if anyone can turn him round it's Arteta - maybe he'll have seen the team win trophies and want to knuckle down and be part of it.

Arteta's sorted out seemingly difficult characters like AMN already

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't get quality that will sit in reserve these days, apart from Ozil who takes it too far and never shows up anyway. So journeymen like Gwen are important for the squad. He's not much of a player, good heart, good engine, that's about it. But considering how many injuries we always get, you need bodies who will plug the gaps. Although with El Neny suddenly appearing again I guess he could do that too.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Pretty much. Not having complete shit to fill in the inevitable gaps is the best we can hope for under the current circumstances.

The only market right now is the state and oligarch owned teams.

[Mac76]

apparently EL Neny did ok in the Charity shield, i actually used to like him as i thought he was solid, but he came to represent the safe passing-sideways stuff that's not good enough when we are the team that needs to create - we've got good tactics against big sides but we need to show we can undo the likes of Bumley and Brighton, meaning players who can move the ball quickly through midfields and defences

[Letters]

apparently EL Neny did ok in the Charity shield
Is he that Spanish dude?

[Niall_Quinn]

apparently EL Neny did ok in the Charity shield, i actually used to like him as i thought he was solid, but he came to represent the safe passing-sideways stuff that's not good enough when we are the team that needs to create - we've got good tactics against big sides but we need to show we can undo the likes of Bumley and Brighton, meaning players who can move the ball quickly through midfields and defences

The emphasis being on "ok"

We're several levels below the gypos and pool because our players (bar the notable exceptions) are several levels below. You can go so far with team spirit, organisation, tactics, but in the critical moments you need players like Auba to make the difference. The clubs that have splashed the cash can stick multiple game changers on the pitch. Gives lower level teams more headaches, more threats to cover. When we can only stick one, maybe two significant players out there it makes it so much easier for the opponent. That's why I favoured putting the kids out at the tail end of last season. At least we would have had a degree of unpredictability, which is a cheap substitute for talent.

This is also why a way should have been found to get Ozil into at least some of the games, especially against teams like Brighton. He may not dominate a match, but he could perhaps dominate the 5 minutes that makes a difference.

[Mac76]

ozil could add creativity, but clearly he's not in favour, it's totally broken now and i hope he does just go so we can reduce the wage bill and invest in better players

[Xhaka Can’t]

ozil could add creativity, but clearly he's not in favour, it's totally broken now and i hope he does just go so we can reduce the wage bill and invest in better players

If Ozil could be arsed, he could add creativity. He cant and he doesn’t.

[I am invisible]

If Ozil could be arsed, he could add creativity. He cant and he doesn’t.
:good:

No one doubts what Özil *could* bring to the team, even in a 5 minute burst - the problem is you can never predict when he’ll be available.

Seriously, how can you ever make any plans around a player who won’t play away games and who you know will randomly miss every other home game through “sickness” or “back problems”? Why waste all week coming up with a game plan, and months trying to implement a style of play, when you know that there’s a 3 in 4 chance that your key component won’t show up? Özil probably has more talent in his little toe than most of the players in the league, and yet for all that he’s still less valuable than a player who actually shows up.

[I am invisible]

...plus he was the only one (apart from Leno himself) having a go when Leno got taken out

we need someone who's prepared to instill some energy, and stand up for his teammates...

Hmmm... that’s not quite how I remember it ? When Leno got taken out, the only player who I saw having a go... was Leno! From his stretcher! Everyone else just stood around navel-gazing.

I remember Guendouzi chucking his toys out of his pram and gobbing off at the end because we’d lost, but that was about it - I’ll be generous and say that at least it showed that the loss bothered him, but it wasn’t that useful to anyone. And when it then spilled over into mouthing off at the Arteta and the coaching staff then it became a problem - you can’t let that kind of thing slide, especially if it’s been done in front of the other players. That kind of breach of discipline needed to be stamped out, hard.


i still remember him coming on and having that driving run against Villa and winning us a pel...

Yeah, I agree that there’s a really good player in there, somewhere, if you could just focus that spiky attitude and pride into something useful. That run against Villa was a taster of what he can do, and he was immense in (I think it was) the first game against spurs too. Needs to work on turning that hot temper of his into something colder, but sadly I don’t think he’ll be learning that here now.