Match Burial v Spuds (away).

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Down in 15th.

-4 GD. No goals again.

:haha:

Utterly hopeless.

There is no way it can continue for Arteta, no matter what future the board may think he has as a manager. Being anywhere close to a relegation fight just cannot be allowed to continue.

[Letters]

He has to go.

:wave:

[Niall_Quinn]

And we still have the Christmas schedule to come :haha:

This result won't change much. We need to pick up the 40 points from the teams around us, not teams who didn't have to turn up to beat us. When do we next play Sheffield?

[Marc Overmars]

6 defeats from 11 games. Still can’t score goals or create chances, it is utterly hopeless. We are legitimately one of the worst teams in the league.

He will have to be sacked soon enough. If you extrapolate this form over the season we will likely only just be avoiding relegation and that’s only because there are a few teams worse than us.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And we still have the Christmas schedule to come :haha:

This result won't change much. We need to pick up the 40 points from the teams around us, not teams who didn't have to turn up to beat us. When do we next play Sheffield?

We have Burnley next. :popcorn:

[Bumble]

Down in 15th.

-4 GD. No goals again.

:haha:

Utterly hopeless.

There is no way it can continue for Arteta, no matter what future the board may think he has as a manager. Being anywhere close to a relegation fight just cannot be allowed to continue.

if brighton win tomorrow we drop to 16th. 10 games in that is unacceptable. we had all that possession in the 2nd half and Lloris made one decent save. At least with a new manager you get a win bounce so move us clear or relegation. we have won more games in the Europa this season than the league.

we have a relegation 6 pointer with Burnley next then Southampton. So hopefully we can pull clear of the relegation positions.

[Mac76]

so much for that - so pleased I didn't watch - I just checked the score 2 or 3 times

given how glad he was to 'only' lose 1-0 at Citeh, Arteta probably thinks this is a similarly good result

what happened in the second half? were spuds too busy falling about laughing to get any more goals?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

so much for that - so pleased I didn't watch - I just checked the score 2 or 3 times

given how glad he was to 'only' lose 1-0 at Citeh, Arteta probably thinks this is a similarly good result

what happened in the second half? were spuds too busy falling about laughing to get any more goals?

We did play fairly decent football up to the point where we shunt it out wide and keep chucking it in the mixer.

Can't be a coincidence we have one of Moyes' former coaches and of course players on the bench. Although even Moyes isn't that bad now.

[Letters]

what happened in the second half? were spuds too busy falling about laughing to get any more goals?

Didn’t watch either but from what I’ve heard Spurs didn’t really bother second half and didn’t really need to. Remember how we used to switch to autopilot when we were a lot better than the opposition and had already won the game?

[Marc Overmars]

It’s that kind of performance which worries me and makes me think this Spud team with a happy Mourinho in charge could actually get close to the title.

[Globalgunner]

It’s that kind of performance which worries me and makes me think this Spud team with a happy Mourinho in charge could actually get close to the title.

Nah Klopp will take it. Given that Pep has disappeared up his own anus. We will have to rely on the rely on the Bin dippers to prevent Ragnarok

[Xhaka Can’t]

if brighton win tomorrow we drop to 16th. 10 games in that is unacceptable. we had all that possession in the 2nd half and Lloris made one decent save. At least with a new manager you get a win bounce so move us clear or relegation. we have won more games in the Europa this season than the league.

we have a relegation 6 pointer with Burnley next then Southampton. So hopefully we can pull clear of the relegation positions.

Goalless draw and a loss.

[Bumble]

plus points thought Gabriel looked good again. Tierney is good.

[Marc Overmars]

We did play fairly decent football up to the point where we shunt it out wide and keep chucking it in the mixer.

Can't be a coincidence we have one of Moyes' former coaches and of course players on the bench. Although even Moyes isn't that bad now.

Makes you wonder what he actually did with Pep. I mean the players he worked with were a million times better than what he has here but there isn’t even the smallest sign he has what it takes to elevate their game.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wonder what Arteta hopes will happen at some point in the future if he keeps on playing Bellerin? Does he think the player is on the verge of greatness? Or do we have absolutely zero options?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I wonder what Arteta hopes will happen at some point in the future if he keeps on playing Bellerin? Does he think the player is on the verge of greatness? Or do we have absolutely zero options?

Both.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

"I don't know what else we can do. If we can't score goals we cannot improve our situation."

I think this is the key bit of what Arteta has said here. If he doesn't know what we can do then he has to go.


"We have a lot of the ball but no end product that is required to win football matches.

"I applaud their first goal, it is world class, but the second goal we are a man down, we leave a massive gap and they take advantage. He [Thomas Partey] has to stay on the pitch. It looks like the same injury he has already had, he will have an MRI.

"After that we dominated, they didn't have any chances, but they win the game.

"I don't know what else we can do. If we can't score goals we cannot improve our situation."

This is football. They scored a wonder goal and the second we got done on the break because Thomas Partey was not in position, he was injured.

"I saw a team full of passion, dominating the team and creating chances but in the end it is about the end product and that is why they are top of the table. I think we had 44 crosses."

On trying to get Thomas Partey back onto the pitch: "I wanted him on the pitch doing whatever he could for the team in that situation. Anyway he could not carry on playing.

"Maybe we were a little too cautious with Son but it was a wonder goal. It is what they do really well, they did it once because the second we were a man down.

"The fight and the spirit and the way they played in this stadium is to applause bit it is not enough to win football matches because we are not scoring goals."

[Mac76]

When will he realise our EL side is better than our PL side?

i get the opposition may not be as good in the EL but he needs to dump Xhaka, Willian and Laca for players like AMN, ESR, Balogun etc who give a shit - I'd rather have that lot out even if we do still lose at least they're gaining experience, playing glue-factory material like Laca and Willian is just a waste of time

got to say Pepe really effed up by getting red-carded - however inconsistent he is, he can produce a goal out of nothing which is what we need when we offer nothing goal-wise game after game

[Marc Overmars]

Auba needs to be dropped. He’s not even close to being a threat at the moment.

As for Willian, what an utter turd of a signing he’s been so far. Arteta is deluded if he thinks he’s contributing to the team in any way, no idea how he starts every match.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Bellerin should be fined his entire seasons wages for the foul throws.


He has given away 5 foul throws this season. For a professional footballer, that’s inexcusable

[Mac76]

As for Willian, what an utter turd of a signing he’s been so far. Arteta is deluded if he thinks he’s contributing to the team in any way, no idea how he starts every match.

he wanted the club to shell out for him, he got him and so now he has to play him

we all have to suffer for his stupidity - what's the point of having an academy if you don't actually play the young talent ?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This went well then. :lol:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/arsenal/story/4253259/arsenal-squad-hold-clear-the-air-talks-in-bid-to-rescue-season

[Chippy]

He has to go.

:wave:
Seriously though, he does have to go now!

We are not up for a relegation dog fight. They cannot be bothered. Fucks sake! Fuck off now Arteta.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fuck, are we already at clear the air talks? Doesn't time fly?

[Letters]

#WengerIn!


:ninja:

:run:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck, are we already at clear the air talks? Doesn't time fly?

Full support of the board should be along midweek.

[Bumble]

#WengerIn!


:ninja:

:run:

Think we rushed into that decision too quickly

[Gooner23]

I have my reservations over the style of football Arteta wants to play; however this squad of players he has inherited is fucking woeful. Most are either not good enough or happy to coast.

I think he will be given a couple more transfer windows to bring in the players he wants. 2 out of our 3 major summer signings are excellent, the less said about Willian the better..

[Marc Overmars]

It has mostly been awful in the league since he came here. Let’s not forget we were in mid table for most of last season and finished 8th. He has not done anything as far as I can see to really change the culture of the mediocrity at the club. Talks a good game but the proof is in the pudding, his team have no chemistry and look like they’ve never played together before every time they take the field.

The FA Cup win was a surprising high point but it certainly hasn’t proven to be a turning point or a stepping stone towards anything. We’re still the same disjointed mess of a team with no heart and now we don’t even have any skill to get us through games.

It was said last season that without Auba we would have been staring at the relegation zone. Well now the goals have dried up that assertion is pretty much true.

[Özim]

Arteta is a hopeless manager he really is, why we employed a rookie on 5 million a year is beyond me, he wasn't qualified and didn't earn the right, it's ridiculous and no surprise to see him flopping spectacularly.

His lineups are horrendous, favourtism irritating and decisions just plain odd.

The sooner we get rid of this guy the better, look at his record this season it's horrendous, this must be our worst start for a very very long time, we can't score goals despite have a top notch forward line.

Logic would dictate that we get someone top notch in, but with this club you never know, after all they brought in Emery first even though they clearly wanted Arteta then as well and he wasn't made available by his club and he wasn't the right choice and wasn't backed, then after some nonsense about an extensive search for a new manager we employed a guy we'd interrviewed 18 months before, anyone with common sense would have said employ someone who's at least proven they can manage, but not this club.

[Bumble]

Top notch forward line? Apart from auba who exactly is top drawer in the forward line.

[Bumble]

Worse start for 45 years.

[Niall_Quinn]

Top notch forward line? Apart from auba who exactly is top drawer in the forward line.

Auba is theoretically top drawer, provided you haven't seen him play recently. If you have, you'll know he's currently bottom of the airing cupboard.

[selassie]

Didn't bother watching as I knew we would lose.

Apparently we played...that equates to we had a lions share of the possession but offered little to no threat, Oh what a f*ckin surprise!

I see the front 3 was still the same...nice.

[selassie]

#WengerIn!


:ninja:

:run:

I'd have him back in a heartbeat TBH, honestly.

[selassie]

Makes you wonder what he actually did with Pep. I mean the players he worked with were a million times better than what he has here but there isn’t even the smallest sign he has what it takes to elevate their game.

He's ruining most of them. The only one he has improved is Saka and he seems to be running him into the ground.

[selassie]

Auba needs to be dropped. He’s not even close to being a threat at the moment.

As for Willian, what an utter turd of a signing he’s been so far. Arteta is deluded if he thinks he’s contributing to the team in any way, no idea how he starts every match.

Auba's form is down the gutter right now, I'd try anything to get him back firing again, if it means a few games on the bench then so be it, where are in the shit right now.

Arteta seems to be picking Willian week in week out to prove a point. Willian has no business starting for us right now.

[Letters]

I'd have him back in a heartbeat TBH, honestly.

I wouldn't, but I don't think we'd be anywhere near this bad under him.
The last year or so has put to bed all the bullshit about how anyone would be better than him.

[selassie]

I wouldn't, but I don't think we'd be anywhere near this bad under him.
The last year or so has put to bed all the bullshit about how anyone would be better than him.

On a temporary basis to get us out of this mess, I wouldn't have him long term.

No, the last year has shown us that Emery and Arteta are not up to the job.

If it wasn't for the collapse at the end of the season a few seasons ago, Emery would have outperformed Wenger comfortably in his first season with a weaker team. He also managed to get to the Europa Final...albeit losing it. Wenger couldn't even manage that in his latter years.

[Letters]

No, the last year has shown us that Emery and Arteta are not up to the job.
Right. But the assertion was that Wenger was so bad that anyone would do better. Well we've had 2 anyones now and look where we are :shrug:


If it wasn't for the collapse at the end of the season a few seasons ago, Emery would have outperformed Wenger comfortably in his first season with a weaker team.

True, but you can't hammer Wenger for the collapses we used to see under him and then excuse the one we saw under Emery. I'll agree the early part of Emery's time with us was promising, even the collapse at the end...it was a bit Wengery, but the end result was some improvement and a base to build on. But then the next season it all went to shit.


He also managed to get to the Europa Final...albeit losing it. Wenger couldn't even manage that in his latter years.

True, Wenger's European record was pretty awful.

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[selassie]

Right. But the assertion was that Wenger was so bad that anyone would do better. Well we've had 2 anyones now and look where we are :shrug:

Yes you are right Letters if that is what you want to here! I was personally at breaking point with Wenger in his latter years, he wasn't even trying to improve the team for christ sake.




True, but you can't hammer Wenger for the collapses we used to see under him and then excuse the one we saw under Emery. I'll agree the early part of Emery's time with us was promising, even the collapse at the end...it was a bit Wengery, but the end result was some improvement and a base to build on. But then the next season it all went to shit.

I said Emery should be fired after our collapse.


True, Wenger's European record was pretty awful.

Yep, it was embarrassing given some of the teams he had at his disposal.

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger had to go but he left a pretty poor culture at the club. That goes for all the hierarchy at the time too, it wasn’t just Wenger.

What happened under Emery is now happening with Arteta. A few game raising performances to save face then swiftly back into a comfort zone. These players who constantly let us down always seem to worm their way back in.

The whole thing stinks of mediocrity and if we’re not careful we could find ourselves drifting for the best part of a decade.

Soon enough we will not be able to continue paying CL wages to entice players here and when that happens it’s game over.

[selassie]

Wenger had to go but he left a pretty poor culture at the club. That goes for all the hierarchy at the time too, it wasn’t just Wenger.

What happened under Emery is now happening with Arteta. A few game raising performances to save face then swiftly back into a comfort zone. These players who constantly let us down always seem to worm their way back in.

The whole thing stinks of mediocrity and if we’re not careful we could find ourselves drifting for the best part of a decade.

Soon enough we will not be able to continue paying CL wages to entice players here and when that happens it’s game over.

Winning isn’t everything.

We even had Gazidis poking fun at Man City when they were winning everything domestically, yet he was handing out long contracts to players we didn’t need to keep and letting our best players run down their contracts.

The writing was on the wall.

What we have now is a mess of a structure, a rookie manager chasing “ambitious” targets and securing some of them to his credit. He has no idea what to do with them though. I would not trust Arteta to oversee this rebuild, sorry but I’ve seen enough now, we are in crisis.

If Arteta wants to be judged, it should be on a RESULTS only basis from now on, he got us in this mess, he has to get us out of it if we remain committed to him.

[Bumble]

both Arteta and Emery, the teams in the early days would press and harrass the defenders. this saw an improvement in the results. but after a while the players revert to type. at least if you chase a lost cause at least you look like you are trying.

[Letters]

Yes you are right Letters if that is what you want to here!
It is! :trophy:

:d

More seriously. I'd be first to admit I was too patient with Wenger and got onto the "Wenger Out" bandwagon too late. I wish he'd gone after that last FA Cup, the last season was painful.
I just never bought into the more extreme views about him.

The best thing about any new manager is that they're not Wenger, in the sense that they don't have that legacy or history with us and thus are easier to move on from.
I wasn't wild on Arteta but he was talking a good game and showed some early promise but now it's just rancid. We need a proper football manager in and quickly.

[Bumble]

It is! :trophy:

:d

More seriously. I'd be first to admit I was too patient with Wenger and got onto the "Wenger Out" bandwagon too late. I wish he'd gone after that last FA Cup, the last season was painful.
I just never bought into the more extreme views about him.

The best thing about any new manager is that they're not Wenger, in the sense that they don't have that legacy or history with us and thus are easier to move on from.
I wasn't wild on Arteta but he was talking a good game and showed some early promise but now it's just rancid. We need a proper football manager in and quickly.

unless the project with Arteta is to bring the academy players through and he is given scope with that... although playing willian all the time does kinda go against the grain.

i always thought willian was a good player at Chelsea and wasnt unhappy that we brought him in. but he has been utter garbage. perhaps its time to bite the bullet in the league and use the league to blood new players and the Europa league to give it a go. although way things are heading Real and PSG could be in the Europa league.

[Chippy]

[QUOTE=selassie;4529811]On a temporary basis to get us out of this mess, I wouldn't have him long term.

This.
Any decent Manager would have a better chance in sorting this mess out. There would also be a temporary bounce back.

Is it just me that is worried about a relegation battle?

[Letters]

Is it just me that is worried about a relegation battle?
It isn't, but I think it's a bit early to be ringing that alarm bell.
Couple of wins and things will feel very different. Hard to see where the next goal, let alone win, is going to come from, but things can and often do change quickly in football.

[Mac76]

It isn't, but I think it's a bit early to be ringing that alarm bell.
Couple of wins and things will feel very different. Hard to see where the next goal, let alone win, is going to come from, but things can and often do change quickly in football.

i really was worried about relegation last season when things got so bad under Emery - it somehow seems even worse now, as Emery felt more sackable than Arteta who's been made full manager etc - the club's basically bet the farm on the guy

if we do get rid of Arteta i agree 100% we should just bring in someone experienced just for the rest of the season - basically give them a chance to prove they should be considered for the full job.

I wouldn't mind if they offered Arteta the assistant post but i'm sure he wouldn't take it

[Marc Overmars]

He’s only getting sacked if the unthinkable happens and we actually do begin to flirt with relegation. There’s a lot of football to be played first before we consider that though. Saying that however, I reckon there will be huge clamour to sack him if we lose to Burnley this weekend.

I think we’re just going to drift around mid table for the season, maybe find a little run of form after Christmas, have a cup run and then rinse and repeat next season. Trust the process.

[Gooner23]

Personally I think he'll be given the season at least.

I have some sympathy in that the whole structure of the club is a mess, terrible management and leadership over a sustained period of time. A large chunk of the squad he inherited are simply not fit for purpose.

However where he loses the sympathy for me is a) the style of football he wants to play is so negative and b) persisting with certain players who have consistently under-performed.

[Mac76]

Personally I think he'll be given the season at least.

I have some sympathy in that the whole structure of the club is a mess, terrible management and leadership over a sustained period of time. A large chunk of the squad he inherited are simply not fit for purpose.

However where he loses the sympathy for me is a) the style of football he wants to play is so negative and b) persisting with certain players who have consistently under-performed.

your last sentence is the reason why he might not get a season, plus if we really do struggle, i think he might be chucked out, the problem is it might be too late by then

[Globalgunner]

Do we need to become a laughing stock before he gets sacked. A club legend like Freddie was given the heave ho after about 6 games. This guy was here for barely 3 seasons and his tenure was the end game of Wengers banter years. He should be out by Xmas or by Monday if Burnley do the likely thing and beat us. We are that bad

[WGC Goon]

Due to a family issue I couldn't watch the game so my following observations only include previous games.
I like Arteta, I like his drive but tactically he seems a one trick pony. We peaked at the end of last season and we're still living off the FA cup triumph, domestically teams have already sussed us out and Arteta doesn't have a plan B. I've had issues with this teams lack of creativity and goals for some time now, if Auba doesn't score then we're in big trouble. Kroenke needs to give Arteta £100m+ and say show me what you can do but he won't so I think we will stay middle of the road for quite some time I'm afraid.
Players that need to go include Bellerin (I've never understand what all the fuss was about), Xhaka (too slow for the PL), Holding, Mustafi and Chambers (all too inconsistent). Keep rebuilding the back 4 with a couple more signings and buy some midfield goal scorers. Problem sorted!

[Mac76]

i like Chambers, he's an Arsenal man and a very good utility player, plus under Emery he showed real spirit and tried to get the team attacking more when playing as RWB

I'd keep him but I agree on the others, Holding isn't living up to early promise and we could get a good price for Bellerin i think which would be handy.

[Globalgunner]

Chambers is a better midfielder than Xhaka will ever be. He is a versatile player that we should keep imo

[Marc Overmars]

Due to a family issue I couldn't watch the game so my following observations only include previous games.
I like Arteta, I like his drive but tactically he seems a one trick pony. We peaked at the end of last season and we're still living off the FA cup triumph, domestically teams have already sussed us out and Arteta doesn't have a plan B. I've had issues with this teams lack of creativity and goals for some time now, if Auba doesn't score then we're in big trouble. Kroenke needs to give Arteta £100m+ and say show me what you can do but he won't so I think we will stay middle of the road for quite some time I'm afraid.
Players that need to go include Bellerin (I've never understand what all the fuss was about), Xhaka (too slow for the PL), Holding, Mustafi and Chambers (all too inconsistent). Keep rebuilding the back 4 with a couple more signings and buy some midfield goal scorers. Problem sorted!

I don’t have much time for Kroenke but he has invested the money when it’s been called for, why should they keep on giving more when they don’t see a return? They pulled 50m out of their arse to land Partey and have spent a sizeable amount in summers gone by. Where they’ve failed is employing useless people to run the footballing side of the club.

We can keep spending money and rebuilding but the foundations of the club are rotten to the core. So whatever we try to build will inevitably collapse.

[Bumble]

Thankfully brighton lost so we are still 15th.

Lose to burnley and arteta time should be up

[WGC Goon]

Chambers is a better midfielder than Xhaka will ever be. He is a versatile player that we should keep imo
I think I'm a better midfielder that Xhaka, I keep telling my missus that when he's playing :d

[WGC Goon]

i like Chambers, he's an Arsenal man and a very good utility player, plus under Emery he showed real spirit and tried to get the team attacking more when playing as RWB

I'd keep him but I agree on the others, Holding isn't living up to early promise and we could get a good price for Bellerin i think which would be handy.

Chambers does have a tendency to lose concentration sometimes, he's got the attributes to be really good but for some reason he's not progressed to the level we were hoping for. No doubt injuries and a lack of playing time hasn't helped.
I wouldn't miss Bellerin one bit and we should take the money if a good offer comes in for him.

[WGC Goon]

I don’t have much time for Kroenke but he has invested the money when it’s been called for, why should they keep on giving more when they don’t see a return? They pulled 50m out of their arse to land Partey and have spent a sizeable amount in summers gone by. Where they’ve failed is employing useless people to run the footballing side of the club.

We can keep spending money and rebuilding but the foundations of the club are rotten to the core. So whatever we try to build will inevitably collapse.

Kroenke is a billionaire but I doubt he has invested a single penny of his own money in us. Arsenal FC is just another franchise for his portfolio, he has zero interest in us and will personally invest zero money in us. What we need to do is make sure we get full value from our player sales which have been absolutely awful over the last 15 years or so. This will obviously help swell our transfer budget produced by club profit alone.

[Chippy]

Thankfully brighton lost so we are still 15th.

Lose to burnley and arteta time should be up
Fuck! How the mighty have fallen. We are checking Brighton's result and glad to still be in 15th place. :rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

Is anyone that bothered anymore about losing to the spuds? Remember when you had to pull a sickie and stay out of the pub for maybe days when the results went the wrong way?

[Mac76]

I'm bothered when you know that losing is inevitable once you see the team sheet, plus when spuds basically sit back and watch us be hopeless for the entire second half

it's only because they're a Maureen team that they didn't go after another 2-3 goals in the second half

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm bothered when you know that losing is inevitable once you see the team sheet, plus when spuds basically sit back and watch us be hopeless for the entire second half

it's only because they're a Maureen team that they didn't go after another 2-3 goals in the second half

That was us dominating.

[Letters]

Is anyone that bothered anymore about losing to the spuds? Remember when you had to pull a sickie and stay out of the pub for maybe days when the results went the wrong way?

Not that bothered. Partly because it was so clear we were going to lose, partly because I'm just not as bothered by it all as I was.
Football isn't the sport I grew up with and Arsenal aren't the club I grew up with.
All a bit sad really.