Euro 2020

[GP]

Fuckin glory hunter.

[WMUG]

I feel sick already.

Not even started drinking yet.

[Letters]

I hope we win tbh.
Part of me thinks I should go into London if we win, but a million wankers and twats will descend, it’ll be bedlam. Not sure I want to get into all that nonsense!

[Mac76]

I hope we win tbh.
Part of me thinks I should go into London if we win, but a million wankers and twats will descend, it’ll be bedlam. Not sure I want to get into all that nonsense!

I'm going to content myself with a walk down the local high street :lol:

[Master Splinter]

The worst thing about England winning would be Kane/Sterling/Maguire etc. getting away with diving, cheating and fouling even more than they already do.

Saka still won't get obvious free-kicks and pelanties though after being assaulted.

[Mac76]

Yeah we need Slabhead to take out K**t in training and injure himself in the process

[Marc Overmars]

I hope we win tbh.
Part of me thinks I should go into London if we win, but a million wankers and twats will descend, it’ll be bedlam. Not sure I want to get into all that nonsense!

After the chaos of the semi final I’m definitely avoiding any public places!

[Letters]

After the chaos of the semi final I’m definitely avoiding any public places!

Watching it at a mate’s place. I’ll be driving back which will involve going through my local town centre. Wondering whether I should go a different way whatever the result!

[Mac76]

20 mins to go before BBC coverage starts :popcorn:

[Mac76]

Saka dropped for Tripuppier

Southgate out

[I am invisible]

Saka dropped for Tripuppier

Southgate out
What else is on?

[GP]

Saka dropped for Tripuppier

Southgate out

Forza Italia!

[Letters]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewsForAllUK/status/1414246103407529989

Oh PLEASE stop being such cunts :doh:

[GP]

It's the history of the England.

[Mac76]

It's the history of the England.

:gp:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

What else is on?

Could always watch Love Island....

[Letters]

Could always watch Love Island....

Just noticed your avatar.

That’s a banning :threaten:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Just noticed your avatar.

That’s a banning :threaten:

:lol:

It's mainly because I can't bring myself to cheer for cunts I say are cunts for the rest of the year I have Italy in my work sweepstake.

[I am invisible]

Could always watch Love Island....
It’s coming home!

[GP]

https://twitter.com/RaveFootage/status/1414261099696898059

[Letters]

Opening ceremonies :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Italian national anthem!

Boos immediately.

[Letters]

:sick:

[Mac76]

Macguire :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

SHAW!!!!

[Mac76]

1-0!!!!!!!

[Letters]

SHAW!!!

[I am invisible]

Get it in the corner flags! See it out!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jorginho is injured.

[Letters]

Get it in the corner flags! See it out!

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Insigne. :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Get it in the corner flags! See it out!

ITV Hub will keep it in the corner flag.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Great effort from Chiesa.

[Mac76]

1-0 HT

Great performance so far, deserve to be winning

[Letters]

Our game management is fantastic.
Strangely stress free so far.
I don’t think the second half will be.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Dare I say it.... but England look quite comfortable :unsure:

[Letters]

Dare I say it.... but England look quite comfortable :unsure:

They have.
But Italy will definitely have “a spell” where they put us under real pressure

[Marc Overmars]

Our game management is fantastic.
Strangely stress free so far.
I don’t think the second half will be.

Yeah it’s the game management that’s most impressive about this team.

Very calm and composed, honestly haven’t really felt like we’ve been in much trouble throughout the tournament.

Of course the second half will be a bag of nerves and understandably so, let’s hope we see it out!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Classic dive from Sterling.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Freekick to Italy, dangerous area.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Insigne puts another one wide.

[Mac76]

Insigne :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Barella off, Cristante on. Immobile off, Berardi on.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bonucci booked.

[Mac76]

Bonucci on a yellow - run at him!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chiesa. :bow:

Sign him up Edu.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Italy 1-1 England, BONUCCI!!!

[Mac76]

:faint:

[GP]

BONUCCIIIII!!!

[GP]

Chiesa is so, so good.

[Mac76]

Saka on :bow:

[GP]

Why have England stopped playing? Letting Italy have all of the ball.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saka. :bow:

[GP]

Oof

[Letters]

:sick:

[GP]

We should sign Chiesa

:gp:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chiesa off injured. Bernardeschi on.

[GP]

Get Zola on.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chiellini. :haha:

The most blatant foul of all time.

[Globalgunner]

Chiellini. WTF!

[Letters]

ET :sick:

[Mac76]

ET :popcorn:

He needs to swap K**t and Mount out, DCL and Grealish in

[Marc Overmars]

God awful second half.

Just decided to stop playing and invite pressure.

Need players to carry the ball forward.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Yeah first half it felt like we were happy to let Italy have the ball because they weren't really doing anything with it.
Second half Italy had all of the ball because we couldn't think of anything to do with it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just remembered this was on. Tuning in to see if there's any football. Not so far. Seems that Italian men are now more masculine than Englishmen. A sad state of affairs, but predictable.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

1-1 HT in ET.

[Niall_Quinn]

Best two teams in Europe? Shows how far football has fallen? Not a single moment worthy of mention. 22 shitkickers stealing a living.

[Mac76]

Southgate's caution costing us again, they keep talking about him getting it all right but we were lucky against Denmark

[Mac76]

Slabhead booked

[Niall_Quinn]

Southgate's caution costing us again, they keep talking about him getting it all right but we were lucky against Denmark

A kind way of saying they cheated.

[Niall_Quinn]

Grealish got kicked in the balls, so he should be fine.

[GP]

Great tackle

[Letters]

:sick:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Get it in the mixer!

[Niall_Quinn]

Hopefully Southgate will miss his penalty.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pelanties! :lol:

:sick:

[Mac76]

Pels... :sick:

[Letters]

Argh…

[Niall_Quinn]

Good for the ad companies. Which is all that's left really.

30 minutes of abject shite. A Euro final. It's embarrassing but they won't be embarrassed.

[Mac76]

Just hope Saka puts his away :pray:

[Globalgunner]

Donarunma is simply huge. Like 6.'6" or something

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Berardi calmly puts it in, 1-0.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

1-1 Kane.

[Mac76]

Saved!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ooh shit, still 1-1!

[Niall_Quinn]

Gutted that horrible cheating cunt Kane scored. Wanted him to miss almost as much as Sterling.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Maguire hates that camera.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Rashford. :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

The woman beater scored. A goal a mean - not another female victim. 2-1 to the mercs.

[Mac76]

Rashford :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bernardeschi makes it 3-2!

[Niall_Quinn]

Jeez. He actually missed the goal. DOH. What's he on? 200K a week?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sancho has it saved.

Italy win it with this!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wow saved!

[Niall_Quinn]

Sancho is a shit player anyway. But he earns a lot.

[Mac76]

Saka :ilt:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saka noooooO!!!

[Letters]

:doh:

[GP]

It's coming Rome.

[Letters]

Sell him, he’s shit

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh wow. Out of all the cunts on that despicable team it's the Arsenal lad who might even be a decent bloke who misses. Typical.

[Marc Overmars]

Absolutely gutted.

Fuck football.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyway. Don't know if Italy are a bunch of cunts. They probably are. But can't prove it, whereas the cuntish pedigree of England is well established. So good result I guess.

[Mac76]

Wht the fuck didn't he bring on DCL ffs?

Why didn't sterling take a pel?

Or grealish?

Southgate gave the job to kids

Cunt

[Niall_Quinn]

And Lineker is gutted - so take heart.

[Letters]

We scored 2 penalties out of 5.
Utterly pathetic.
Wankers.

Overall a good tournament from us, Italy the better side on the night but you have to take better penalties than that :ilt:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wht the fuck didn't he bring on DCL ffs?

Why didn't sterling take a pel?

Or grealish?

Southgate gave the job to kids

Cunt

Seriously?

These are two shite teams hacking a ball around a pitch. Taking the piss out of the great teams that competed in this competition in the past. The result is purely random because none of those cunts have enough talent to actually control or win a game on merit. Play it again and the the other lot wins - randomly. It's so far from football it's unrecognisable. All about the money - nothing else.

[GP]

Southgate always gets it wrong in the big games.

[Mac76]

Southgate giving a team talk - does he realise the match is over?

[Niall_Quinn]

Southgate always gets it wrong in the big games.

You should probably put your CV in. At least you could get transgender toilets into the dressing room.

[Mac76]

Rashford's penalty was such a load of toss

[Niall_Quinn]

Rashford's the villain. But Saka will get the heat.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

No offence to Saka but why on earth was he the fifth penalty taker? :wacko:

Putting subs on with seconds left for pens never seems to work, they're not warmed up to the game and half the time it's literally their first kick.

Nob head run ups need to stop as well.

[GP]

No offence to Saka but why on earth was he the fifth penalty taker? :wacko:

Putting subs on with seconds left for pens never seems to work, they're not warmed up to the game and half the time it's literally their first kick.

Nob head run ups need to stop as well.

No one else had the minerals.

[GP]

It's the 'istory of the England.

[Marc Overmars]

We were shite after the initial period of bluster in the first half.

Just weren’t really brave enough to have a go I feel. Almost like we scored too early and that took the gameplan out the window.

[Niall_Quinn]

No offence to Saka but why on earth was he the fifth penalty taker? :wacko:

Putting subs on with seconds left for pens never seems to work, they're not warmed up to the game and half the time it's literally their first kick.

Nob head run ups need to stop as well.

If you are cool and calm then the keeper has no chance. If you are a kid and in your first big tournament and millions of people are hanging on your kick, well I guess the manager needs to call up a cowardly hero like Sterling to do the business. But he left to to the kid. The occasion is sometimes insurmountable. Maybe Sterling has endorsements that rely on him not missing.

[Mac76]

Of course we were never going to win with a spud as captain

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL. Some twat on the BBC is saying he's never heard noise from the fans as loud. Maybe they are just noisy chewers? Those prawn sandwiches don't eat themselves.

[GP]

We were shite after the initial period of bluster in the first half.

Just weren’t really brave enough to have a go I feel. Almost like we scored too early and that took the gameplan out the window.

International Burnley

[Mac76]

Anyway...

England :haha:

K**t :haha:

Southgate :haha:

Tripuppier :haha:

Fish n chips :haha:

St George :haha:

Double decker buses :haha:

World leaders :haha:

Italy :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

International Burnley

As if every other team isn't just as awful.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyway. Don't know if Italy are a bunch of cunts. They probably are. But can't prove it, whereas the cuntish pedigree of England is well established. So good result I guess.

The poofter mention was relevant and should not have been anonymously censored. When grown mean scream and fall all over the place when they are brushed by a handbag - that does suggest a certain deficiency in testosterone.

[Mac76]

Answering your own posts is a sign of madness

[Niall_Quinn]

Answering your own posts is a sign of madness

Not having a clue what's happening but sticking your oar in anyway is a sign of being a massive cunt.

[Letters]

:ilt:

[Marc Overmars]

Sancho, Saka, Sterling and Rashford targeted with online abuse.

Of course.

[Letters]

Of course.
Because football fans are largely morons and the internet is a thing.

It wasn’t fair to put Saka in that position.
And the two players he brought on to take pels both missed :doh:
Pickford did well. Other than that it was a bit of a shit show.

[Mac76]

I still hate it when the media etc use the term 'missed a penalty' when the shot was on rarget

Rashford's stupid effort was a miss, Saka's was a bit of a lame effort that was saved, but it was on target

[Letters]

It wasn't the worst penalty ever, but it wasn't great - 'keeper goes the right way and he will probably save it. He did and he did.
Rashford was the only one who missed - I have no time for players who can't hit the target from 12 yards and those stupid stuttering run ups annoy me.

At least with the Covid delay we only have to wait one more year for them to crush our dreams again rather than the usual 2 :upset:

[Marc Overmars]

Rashfords was the killer. We had the advantage at that point and missing that just set the tone for the rest of the shootout.

Those shitty run-ups should be banned.

[Letters]

Rashfords was the killer. We had the advantage at that point and missing that just set the tone for the rest of the shootout.

Those shitty run-ups should be banned.

:goodpost:

Hit the target FFS, that in my minimum expectation.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I thought in general the refereeing over the tournament was reasonably good and it did seem that referees were a bit more forgiving and allowed play to flow which is not a bad thing.

However, there must be limits especially with teams like Italy who continually foul knowing they will not get yellows so just keep breaking up play as nothing to fear. Same with the danish game.

However, for the life of me, i cannot understand how VAR could look at the Jorginho decision and accept it was only a yellow card. Taht is a red all day long. Even the premier league referees using VAR would give that. Would it have made much of difference with only around 10 minutes to go? I suspect not but from that moment, Grealish didnt look as a dangerous.


The other rule that i think needs changing and i have thought this for a while is the one where its only a booking where Chelini grabbed Saka round the neck to stop the counter. There was cover so no clear goal scoring opportunity hence no red but a yellow doesnt feel right. The defending team know they can take the player out and only get a yellow yet stop a certain attack. We saw early on that just having cover back doesnt mean you don’t score as England showed with teh first attack. It wasnt like it was even an attempt to play the ball, he grabbed his collar and hauled him back. A yellow doesnt feel enough punishment for that and the free kick is so far away its not a threat. I think the rules need looking at so that even if there is cover, if you make no attempt to play the ball and just cynically stop the player, its a red card.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Rashfords was the killer. We had the advantage at that point and missing that just set the tone for the rest of the shootout.

Those shitty run-ups should be banned.


Fully agree. I hate those run ups, it just seems the striker has doubt in their mind. In a final, just belt it like Kane & Maguire. Pick your spot & hammer it home.

If the keeper had saved Kane or Maguire, you have to say fair play. But those two penalties are how you take them in a shootout

[Letters]

Maguire's was the only truly unstoppable penalty. Kane's was competent enough, but saveable.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Maguire's was the only truly unstoppable penalty. Kane's was competent enough, but saveable.

It was right in the bottom corner. If it had been saved, i think you have to put that down as truly fantastic save rather than a poor penalty

[Globalgunner]

Penalties are a truly unsatisfying way of resolving stalemates after 90 mins. My suggestion is to take a player off from both teams after every 5 mins in 1st extra time. It means there will only be 8 players on each team for the last 15 mins of 2nd extra time. More space more chances....but knowing Gareth Southgate. he would take off all his strikers and camp out in his box with 8 players anyway.

The other suggestion is take a secret draw or toss of a coin before the start of the game. The draw/toss determines who wins the game in the event of a draw after 90 mins. Its a secret draw/toss so no one except an independent arbiter knows who has been given the game. So in extra time both teams come out knowing that if they dont score to win, the other team just might be awarded the game. Cue blood and thunder for 30 mins instead of playing for pens.

Oh. I forgot...England:p

[Marc Overmars]

So many videos doing the rounds of scummy behaviour from fans. Easy to see why we haven’t a hosted a tournament properly in so long and after this it will probably be another long wait.

[Letters]

Penalties are as good a way as any. We just need to stop being so shit at them.
1990, 1996, 1998 and now 2021. 4 times we have fallen in big games.
Just stop being so shit. :shrug:

[Globalgunner]

Penalties are as good a way as any. We just need to stop being so shit at them.
1990, 1996, 1998 and now 2021. 4 times we have fallen in big games.
Just stop being so shit. :shrug:

Its the `istory of England. to quote a serial winner

[Marc Overmars]

Penalties are as good a way as any. We just need to stop being so shit at them.
1990, 1996, 1998 and now 2021. 4 times we have fallen in big games.
Just stop being so shit. :shrug:

2004, 2006 and 2012 too.

Not much you can do if your brains just turn to mush as you can’t train for the pressure of the situation. Just have to hope one day we break through that glass ceiling.

[Mac76]

southgate took off players who were much more experienced - i was thinking this morning that had he still been on the pitch, Walker would be a good candidate to take a pel, but he was subbed for Sancho

southgate basically played for pels from the moment Italy scored

and his case that he picked the best players on pels in training ignores the fact that it's very different in a major final - he should have chosen experience

he's taken us a long way but can he win us anything? - i suspect not - he doesn't know how to grab a game and win it

[Niall_Quinn]

Weren't you all cooing about what a great job Southgate was doing a few days ago? In this thread? His teams are shit and have always been shit. They play shit and then laughably refer to it as football. That's why I stopped watching it because it's unwatchable. Like every other so-called football team out there today. England has only "improved" because football has fallen to their level. Doesn't matter who you watch, it's the same comatose patter ball. No wonder the Italians won it, that's their speciality. Another useless team that is perfectly suited to the modern drudgery that has replaced football.

[Marc Overmars]

I think he got most things right during the tournament but last night was definitely the worst performance collectively and some decisions were a bit strange too. I think we just froze and the occasion got the better of us, managing the pressure and having a strong mentality is basically the difference between winners and losers. That’s why these other countries produce serial winners and we don’t.

Has to be seen as progress though and we should certainly be aiming to win the World Cup. Getting to the latter stages doesn’t mean anything now we’ve done it a couple of times.

[Letters]

Scotland was a much worse performance. I actually don't think the performance was bad last night. Italy are the best side we've faced and sure, they were the better team but it was a stress free first half and while they equalised and there were a few scares they weren't battering us.
It's easy to blame Southgate for bringing on two players to take penalties who then both missed (:doh:) but had they both scored everyone would be hailing him as a genius, and on another night they might well have.
Overall it was a good tournament for us and we do look like a proper team now. It's just disheartening with another "oh so near".
1990, 1996, 1998...and now 2021. It does "wear you down through the years".
It's the closest we've come in my lifetime and with home advantage it feels like an opportunity missed.

[Mac76]

It's a massive opportunity missed and i wouldn't be surpised if we bombed in the next WC - think about how easy our last two competitions have been in terms of the opposition we faced - we surely can't be that lucky again... ?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I know I'll probably sound defeatist and wise after the fact, but have we really actually gotten any better?

In this tournament and 2018 we've beaten who we'd be expected to beat and been beaten by the team's we probably expected not to. We beat Germany fair enough, but it's the worst Germany team in a generation and you could argue we should have beaten Croatia. But frankly it doesn't really feel any different to every other tourney, when we come up against anyone half decent we shit ourselves.

The performances have generally been diabolical, the football mediocre and we supposedly have the most exciting and best crop of players in years. Though I don't quite agree with NQ in saying everyone is absolute shit, it's hard to argue that international football does seem to be in something of a lull now in that there isn't one team head and shoulders above everyone else and every team has big weaknesses or problems to exploit.

We had a chance this time round we will probably never have again, playing on home soil with other teams flying here, there and everywhere, and we didn't take advantage. And with them nob head fans last night, will we even get the opportunity to host again any time soon?

[Letters]

I think we've improved.

Our game management is a lot better, the way we held the ball against Denmark and didn't panic. Even last night, we didn't get overrun. Italy were probably the best team in the tournament - they haven't lost for 30-something games - and we took them the distance. Italy dominated the second half but they weren't hammering us. There were a few scares but they didn't calve us open. At times we do look like a proper team, our passing and movement are good.

But...being at home, it was our best chance since '96 to win a tournament, we went one step further this time but didn't win it. And yeah, with the morons I doubt we'll get to host one again any time soon. So I suspect we won't win anything for the foreseeable.

[Niall_Quinn]

Game management is a buzz term that was suddenly introduced by the media around two years ago. It was rarely discussed before that. And if the "improvement" in a competitive sport means not being overrun then no wonder you've improved because it was impossible to get worse.

[Globalgunner]

Just Like Arsenal. England wont improve unless they get a better manager. Southgate wouldnt last a season at any of the top 8 PL clubs, yet is at the highest profile job in the UK. Keep deluding yourselves. A manager who doesnt have the nerve to substitute Kane even for 20 mins is a dunce, Brings on Rhinos like Henderson as soon as he has a slimmest of leads is just a survivalist. You had the easiest side of the draw, home advantage almost all the way and yet.

"You couldnt live with your failure, so your failure brought you back to me......I am inevitable" Thanos or Nemesis in the case of England

[Letters]

Well, we lost to Iceland last Euros so yeah, that was a low point!

[Letters]

and yet
And yet what? We got to the final and just about lost on penalties?
3 years ago we got to the World Cup semi-final.
:shrug:

Now I agree we didn't have the toughest tests on either occasion, but we're hardly embarrassing ourselves every 5 minutes like we've been known to in the past.

[Mac76]

Just Like Arsenal. England wont improve unless they get a better manager. Southgate wouldnt last a season at any of the top 8 PL clubs, yet is at the highest profile job in the UK. Keep deluding yourselves. A manager who doesnt have the nerve to substitute Kane even for 20 mins is a dunce, Brings on Rhinos like Henderson as soon as he has a slimmest of leads is just a survivalist. You had the easiest side of the draw, home advantage almost all the way and yet.

"You couldnt live with your failure, so your failure brought you back to me......I am inevitable" Thanos or Nemesis in the case of England

Yes the Henderson sub really did give away Southgate's whole attitude, really stupid and negative sub

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I think we've improved.

Our game management is a lot better, the way we held the ball against Denmark and didn't panic. Even last night, we didn't get overrun. Italy were probably the best team in the tournament - they haven't lost for 30-something games - and we took them the distance. Italy dominated the second half but they weren't hammering us. There were a few scares but they didn't calve us open. At times we do look like a proper team, our passing and movement are good.

But...being at home, it was our best chance since '96 to win a tournament, we went one step further this time but didn't win it. And yeah, with the morons I doubt we'll get to host one again any time soon. So I suspect we won't win anything for the foreseeable.There is that but you could also say we needed a ridiculous Sterling dive to just about kill off Denmark in the first place. A Denmark who had been in Baku two days before, they were dead on their feet and mentally beaten.

We didn't really get overrun but for the bulk of the game we defended with all 11 players. There were times Sterling was the furthest forward (Kane was fucking about somewhere else) and he was fifteen yards inside our own half. In the first half Italy had no idea how to break through, but second half, especially when Immobile went off, they controlled it. We only even countered in the first twenty minutes or so when it looked like they didn't have any full backs. Apart from that the only plan was smash it up to Kane, which worked once or twice against Chiellini... then they stuck Bonucci against him and he was dominated.

2016 was hilarious an outlier, but are the last two tournaments really any different to 98, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010 or 2012? We're not picking donkeys like Heskey anymore but we look alright then come up against the first half decent team and get beaten.

[Ollie the Optimist]

There is that but you could also say we needed a ridiculous Sterling dive to just about kill off Denmark in the first place. A Denmark who had been in Baku two days before, they were dead on their feet and mentally beaten.

We didn't really get overrun but for the bulk of the game we defended with all 11 players. There were times Sterling was the furthest forward (Kane was fucking about somewhere else) and he was fifteen yards inside our own half. In the first half Italy had no idea how to break through, but second half, especially when Immobile went off, they controlled it. We only even countered in the first twenty minutes or so when it looked like they didn't have any full backs. Apart from that the only plan was smash it up to Kane, which worked once or twice against Chiellini... then they stuck Bonucci against him and he was dominated.

2016 was [s]hilarious[s] and outlier, but are the last two tournaments really any different to 98, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010 or 2012? We're not picking donkeys like Heskey anymore but we look alright then come up against the first half decent team and get beaten.

2014 was also dogshit (think we got knocked out in group stages without winning a game?) so the improvement from 2014 & 16 has been immense.

I think one of the key differences with Southgate’s team is that he has made them likeable. Previously most couldn’t care for the English team and even within the squads, older players have talked of club rivalries causing problems whereas this time there is none of that.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

2014 was also dogshit (think we got knocked out in group stages without winning a game?) so the improvement from 2014 & 16 has been immense.

I think one of the key differences with Southgate’s team is that he has made them likeable. Previously most couldn’t care for the English team and even within the squads, older players have talked of club rivalries causing problems whereas this time there is none of that.2014 was abysmal but the group had Italy and Uruguay, and ironically the best result was against the surprise Costa Rica... when people thought Joel Campbell was decent :lol:

In this year's group we couldn't beat Scotland and only scored two ffs.

We are obviously better than 2012 and 2014 but they were the worst England teams in decades so if we're using that as the bar then the bar isn't even low it's on the floor. My point is that were just reverting to where we usually are, the only difference is we've had the luck of the draw.

[Letters]

There is that but you could also say we needed a ridiculous Sterling dive to just about kill off Denmark in the first place.
I think that's a bit harsh, we completely dominated Denmark. There are really fine lines in football, against Germany there was the Muller chance. He puts that away - as he would have 9 times out of 10 - and who knows what would have happened? Had Rashford scored his penalty we'd probably have won the whole thing - I know others missed but that was the one which really changed the balance of pressure. Fine lines.

I didn't enjoy watching us in the group stages but we grew into the tournament and overall I thought we played pretty well. But I do now thing that it's never coming home. This was our best chance and we blew it. So while I don't think Southgate should be sacked and I think he's the right person to lead us in to the World Cup, but I'm not expecting that much from us there.

[Marc Overmars]

Absolute embarrassment the level of hate directed towards Rashford, I mean to deface his mural, how sad of a life do you have to lead to do that? I’ve heard people say these aren’t real fans etc. Well, they absolutely are. In fact these are probably the most passionate of England fans and that is the problem.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Absolute embarrassment the level of hate directed towards Rashford, I mean to deface his mural, how sad of a life do you have to lead to do that? I’ve heard people say these aren’t real fans etc. Well, they absolutely are. In fact these are probably the most passionate of England fans and that is the problem.

It’s a problem in general for football. Racism seems to appear when sides lose.

The abuse Saka, Rashford etc have received is wrong, there is no debate and those dishing it out deserve any punishment that goes their way.

But its not just a problem in England. When Germany lost in 2018, Ozil suffered racist abuse (even his team mates joined in from memory), Italian fans directed monkey chants at Lukaku & others (to put them off during the game/banter was their excuse), the French players that come from Africa often get abused when they lose. The less said about the Russians the better given teh amount of racism their fans dish out even to black players on their own team.

It’s a problem football needs to fix but there are some pretending its only an English problem, it absolutely isnt.

[Letters]

It’s a problem football needs to fix but there are some pretending its only an English problem, it absolutely isnt.

Correct. But we do like to pontificate about those awful racist and thuggish foreigners, and then we get all this shit.

[Mac76]

Correct. But we do like to pontificate about those awful racist and thuggish foreigners, and then we get all this shit.

it's also the reason why at least some of the 'woke' agenda that c***s like Johnson attack is valid - there is a problem here and he's partly caused it by begin so divisive and of course a racist himself

[Niall_Quinn]

it's also the reason why at least some of the 'woke' agenda that c***s like Johnson attack is valid - there is a problem here and he's partly caused it by begin so divisive and of course a racist himself

Twat. It's people like you that drives racism by banging on about it 24/7 when it hardly exists.

I can't recall how many woke twats have been behind fake racism outbreaks, it's a lot. Most of the shit online came from foreign sources but the media is there to promote division and have lapdogs such as yourself beg at the bell.

[Mac76]

Twat. It's people like you that drives racism by banging on about it 24/7 when it hardly exists.

I can't recall how many woke twats have been behind fake racism outbreaks, it's a lot. Most of the shit online came from foreign sources but the media is there to promote division and have lapdogs such as yourself beg at the bell.

so it was the Russians tweeting at Rashford and co. and defacing murals was it :rolleyes:

and the only one banging on about anything is 24/7 is you mate - your typically abusive reply says all that's needed about which of us deserves to be listened to

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57837003

I'm sure the anonymous "3lionsfan1966" will be gutted :rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

so it was the Russians tweeting at Rashford and co. and defacing murals was it :rolleyes:

and the only one banging on about anything is 24/7 is you mate - your typically abusive reply says all that's needed about which of us deserves to be listened to

So illustrative that you say Russians, it speaks so directly to your almost total indoctrination.

On the contrary, normal people wouldn't even bother focusing on race and gender or any of that stuff you woke tossers bang on about night and day. You are the weirdos keeping it front and centre in the equally woke media. A choir of incessant 1 percenters who'd be dismissed were is not for cesspools like twitter and facebook and the BBC.

Normal people who are old enough remember what a football terrace was like in the 80s. Comparing that to the seats and sandwiches and then having to listen to fantasists in the media and online telling us all how racism is rampant is a double blow. Losing the racism was good. Losing the football, not so much. Having to put up with twats like yourself? The final insult.

[Mac76]

So illustrative that you say Russians, it speaks so directly to your almost total indoctrination.

On the contrary, normal people wouldn't even bother focusing on race and gender or any of that stuff you woke tossers bang on about night and day. You are the weirdos keeping it front and centre in the equally woke media. A choir of incessant 1 percenters who'd be dismissed were is not for cesspools like twitter and facebook and the BBC.

Normal people who are old enough remember what a football terrace was like in the 80s. Comparing that to the seats and sandwiches and then having to listen to fantasists in the media and online telling us all how racism is rampant is a double blow. Losing the racism was good. Losing the football, not so much. Having to put up with twats like yourself? The final insult.

your dad :rolleyes:

[Letters]

It’s pretty undeniable that things have got better since the 80s.
That doesn’t mean that the problem is fixed completely.
The actions of a fair number of morons over the last week demonstrates it isn’t fixed.

[Niall_Quinn]

your dad :rolleyes:

Thus proving you are the waste material I scrape off my shoe. I'd put my fist through your face if we met in person, but you never get to meet keyboard warriors face to face. One of life's great laments.

And, of course, you are the progressive gal who looooooves everyone? Yeah, transparent as fuck.

Maybe we'll do one of those GW meet-ups?

[Niall_Quinn]

Fixed completely? How out of touch are you? Actually?

First, it's plain you yet again lack the details and the facts but are heavy on the judgement - the sign of ignorance.

Then, the notion you can "fix" the very diversity you femboys always champion. There will ALWAYS be elements of every problem in this world. Billions of individuals, how could it be otherwise? If you are genuinely stupid enough to knock on the door of each and every one of those billions and insist they change their thinking then I demand you shoot yourself in the head as just compensation.

Edge cases do not make an epidemic. Yet the knickers wetters are always crying about epidemics. Because they need them so they can virtue signal and, by extension, keep racism alive so the "virtuous" circle keeps on making them significant. Heaven forbid they fall back on their own character and achievements to warrant real significance.

[Letters]

There will ALWAYS be elements of every problem in this world. Billions of individuals, how could it be otherwise?
That's fair. But the reaction of some knuckle draggers after Sunday - and not just one or two - suggests that we are not quite as enlightened as we like to think.
We could pat ourselves on the back and say "well at least we're not as bad as <insert other country here>" but as my dad once said in a rare moment of clarity and wisdom, you should compare yourselves with the best, not the worst.
There are some people who have a victim mentality and declare every problem they have in life to be because of their race/gender/sexuality etc. But at the same time these problems do still exist in society and while it's probably impossible to completely remove those problems shouldn't we always strive to do better? Why is wanting that a bad thing?

[Mac76]

Thus proving you are the waste material I scrape off my shoe. I'd put my fist through your face if we met in person, but you never get to meet keyboard warriors face to face. One of life's great laments.

And, of course, you are the progressive gal who looooooves everyone? Yeah, transparent as fuck.

Maybe we'll do one of those GW meet-ups?

ok so you've not only sworn at me on a regular basis but now you've threatened violence.

but of course Letters and Maccy won't ban you because you've played the game of being the voice of liberty and fighting authoritarianism, so if they do it will prove you're right

plus you are regrettably so part of the furniture as an, erm, keyboard warrior that they don't even notice your bahaviour any more

anyway you might be surprised, just because i've some common decency doesn't mean i'm not capable of putting my fist through your face... (although unlike you i'm not threatening to actually do it)

[Niall_Quinn]

That's fair. But the reaction of some knuckle draggers after Sunday - and not just one or two - suggests that we are not quite as enlightened as we like to think.
We could pat ourselves on the back and say "well at least we're not as bad as <insert other country here>" but as my dad once said in a rare moment of clarity and wisdom, you should compare yourselves with the best, not the worst.
There are some people who have a victim mentality and declare every problem they have in life to be because of their race/gender/sexuality etc. But at the same time these problems do still exist in society and while it's probably impossible to completely remove those problems shouldn't we always strive to do better? Why is wanting that a bad thing?

We ARE the best. This is the greatest nation in the history of the world, check the history books for all the evidence you'll ever need. It's also the most tolerant nation on the planet, or maybe neck and neck with some European nations, but at the very top nonetheless. Contrast and compare to any nation on any continent other than Europe and it's crystal clear where the real problems of intolerance and regressive beliefs and behaviour manifest. Yet we have a media and the woke brigade constantly bashing the best while they protect the worst. Go and take a look for yourself and see for yourself. Try being woke in China or Russia or Pakistan or anywhere the "oppressed" call home.

[Niall_Quinn]

ok so you've not only sworn at me on a regular basis but now you've threatened violence.

but of course Letters and Maccy won't ban you because you've played the game of being the voice of liberty and fighting authoritarianism, so if they do it will prove you're right

plus you are regrettably so part of the furniture as an, erm, keyboard warrior that they don't even notice your bahaviour any more

anyway you might be surprised, just because i've some common decency doesn't mean i'm not capable of putting my fist through your face... (although unlike you i'm not threatening to actually do it)

Followed up by censorship - of course. Obvious. Every flaw in the book and proud of it.

Poor little duck. You can quack but you run to mummy when you get plucked.

[LDG]

Thus proving you are the waste material I scrape off my shoe. I'd put my fist through your face if we met in person, but you never get to meet keyboard warriors face to face. One of life's great laments.

And, of course, you are the progressive gal who looooooves everyone? Yeah, transparent as fuck.

Maybe we'll do one of those GW meet-ups?

Yes, GW meet!!! I’m bang up for that.

Lager, beer and pints! :woohoo:

[Letters]

Now with added punch ups :dance:


:unsure:

[LDG]

Now with added punch ups :dance:


:unsure:


As you know, I’m alright.

You go low.

[Letters]

We ARE the best. This is the greatest nation in the history of the world, check the history books for all the evidence you'll ever need.
Should I gloss over all the colonialism stuff? Obviously there's no objective measure of greatest, but I'd vaguely agree we're up there. And yes, I agree that overall this is a significantly more tolerant nation than many.

But all you're doing is going "well we're not as bad as ...", and maybe you're right. But that doesn't mean we can't do better.
And you're basically right that a perfect utopian tolerant society isn't possible (maybe even isn't desirable). But we can surely do better than the sort of shit that Rashford and Saka have had to put up with this week.

[Mac76]

Followed up by censorship - of course. Obvious. Every flaw in the book and proud of it.

Poor little duck. You can quack but you run to mummy when you get plucked.

I haven't asked them to ban you

Why not let you carry on showing yourself up?

[Niall_Quinn]

I haven't asked them to ban you

Why not let you carry on showing yourself up?

So why even mention it then? Do your lies work on you? I hope so, because it's doubtful they work on anyone else.

[Niall_Quinn]

Should I gloss over all the colonialism stuff? Obviously there's no objective measure of greatest, but I'd vaguely agree we're up there. And yes, I agree that overall this is a significantly more tolerant nation than many.

But all you're doing is going "well we're not as bad as ...", and maybe you're right. But that doesn't mean we can't do better.
And you're basically right that a perfect utopian tolerant society isn't possible (maybe even isn't desirable). But we can surely do better than the sort of shit that Rashford and Saka have had to put up with this week.

Have Rashford and Saka ACTUALLY put up with any shit? I'm 100% against that if they have. But we only have the media's word to go on and that's nowhere near good enough for me. Is it good enough for you?

Bear in mind, we live in such a faggot society now that even the slightest comment can cause an avalanche of stupidity. When I post on the internet I fully accept that there are potentially billions of people out there who have the capacity to respond. So, do I expect every response will be reasonable? Only if I'm a fucking idiot and so precious I should still be in nappies. And isn't it actually more likely the arseholes will respond? So factor that in and make the case that 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population are fucked in the head. So what? Big deal. Where's the problem?

Syria and Iran are being bombed right now and Rashford earns a million quid a minute for not being able to hit a barn door for 2 yards. Good luck to the pretender, if you can achieve what he has a achieved on so little talent (comparatively speaking) then give him a round of applause. But I also recall he was breaking his arse virtue signalling not so long ago - milking that same crowd who are now, apparently, racist? Swings and roundabouts. And fuck him anyway, you really think he gives a damn about some lowlife posting on the net? No way.

Perspective is what's required. Rashford will survive in the luxury he's accustomed to, none of this will touch him in any way. The lowlifes will continue to be lowlifes no matter how loud the fags and fems, trannies and lefties scream and pull their hair. Storm in a teacup. Much ado about nothing. Jumped on by woke racists to keep their hateful, spiteful, racist agenda rolling. Because without it, what would they moan about?