Manchester United v Arsenal, 16:30 BST (04/09, Sky Sports Main Event)

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Four point clear with a win.

So that means a bottle job.

2-0.

I did actually predict 1-2 on Super Six.

[GP]

0-3

[Marc Overmars]

Think there’s an air of inevitability about this.

Obviously would love a huge statement win but I think it’s probably going to be a defeat.

1-0.

[dazthegooner]

Well Mike Dean is probably a shoe in to be the VAR official and with the 12th man they usually get as ref see us losing 2-0.

[LDG]

Odegaard and Ramsdale were both training yesterday looking comfortable

[I am invisible]

So the referee for today’s game, on top of being an incompetent piece of shit, lives in Manchester - that’s just fucking great, it really is.

[I am invisible]

Unless we put this one so far out of sight that it doesn’t matter we’re 100% getting screwed here. At least one red, one pen against and one disallowed goal incoming.

[HCZ_Reborn]

As I have said previously we don’t have the central midfield to get results in difficult away fixtures, this was even before the injury to Partey.

If Partey was fit we could have got a draw, but doesn’t feel possible to get anything. I was adamant that we needed an improvement upon Xhaka and Elneny in that midfield quartet in our squad and Arteta was too hubristic to see it himself.

Top 4 is going to be a tall order for us I feel

[Letters]

Seriously don’t understand all the doom and gloom.
They’re not all that. It’s never an easy place to go and I’d be happy with a point but I’m certainly not writing us off.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Seriously don’t understand all the doom and gloom.
They’re not all that. It’s never an easy place to go and I’d be happy with a point but I’m certainly not writing us off.

They aren’t all that. Definitely the weakest United team in the last thirty years

I’m not doom and gloom I just have realistic expectations of what happens when we travel away from home with a non existent central midfield. It will be doom and gloom if Partey is not fit for the Brentford game which in my view will be a tougher fixture than this one.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I can't work out if I'd rather Ronaldo started or not.

[I am invisible]

I’d rather he started than came off the bench tbh.

[Marc Overmars]

Seriously don’t understand all the doom and gloom.
They’re not all that. It’s never an easy place to go and I’d be happy with a point but I’m certainly not writing us off.

Sometimes things are just the way they are in football and Arsenal blowing it at Old Trafford is one of those things. Doesn’t matter how strong or weak the teams are this is a fixture we rarely turn up at. Would be very surprised and impressed with a win.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sometimes things are just the way they are in football and Arsenal blowing it at Old Trafford is one of those things. Doesn’t matter how strong or weak the teams are this is a fixture we rarely turn up at. Would be very surprised and impressed with a win.

It’s got nothing to do with the history of the fixture. This is as I say the worst United side since Ron Atkinson was managing them. Games against them at Old Trafford have all been settled by one goal since Ferguson left. We’ve drawn as many games as we’ve lost.
We can’t look at it as anything other than a game against a slightly better than mid table side. But we are completely ill equipped to play away from home anywhere currently, no attacking threat from full backs, the central midfield will not be given the space to attack. The attacking front three won’t see enough of the ball and we will get bored to death.
Brentford is a game where we could get really humiliated, that won’t happen here

[dazthegooner]

So the referee for today’s game, on top of being an incompetent piece of shit, lives in Manchester - that’s just fucking great, it really is.

So if he's from Manchester he's probably a Citey fan so we could be in luck :unsure:

[Letters]

Sometimes things are just the way they are in football and Arsenal blowing it at Old Trafford is one of those things. Doesn’t matter how strong or weak the teams are this is a fixture we rarely turn up at. Would be very surprised and impressed with a win.
We really have to stop that shit if we are going to go up a level.
I’m ok with us losing if we go toe to toe with them. There are fine lines in football - like last season when the ref fucked us over vs City. Yes, we lost but I couldn’t have been prouder of the performance. I’m looking for the same today. If we lose limply then Project Arteta isn’t taking us anywhere
If we collapse again

[HCZ_Reborn]

We really have to stop that shit if we are going to go up a level.
I’m ok with us losing if we go toe to toe with them. There are fine lines in football - like last season when the ref fucked us over vs City. Yes, we lost but I couldn’t have been prouder of the performance. I’m looking for the same today. If we lose limply then Project Arteta isn’t taking us anywhere
If we collapse again


1) I think you need to get over the idea that what fans think or don’t think has any bearing on results. I think we are going to lose not because it’s man United but because I don’t think we are equipped to be playing anyone but mid table sides at home with Xhaka and Lokonga (and even then it’s a tall order). But the fact is I could be wrong


2) I’d argue blaming the referee for disappointing results is more evidence of defeatist thinking. We lost the game against City because we threw it away. Xhaka had no business having his hands all over Bernardo Silvas shirt. Gabriel put himself in a position to be sent off for talking back to the referee and then giving away a needless foul, it was amateurish.

[Letters]

1) I don’t think that.
2) I’m not one of those people who believes that refs are generally against us, but I saw that game and the ref fucked us over in that one.

[HCZ_Reborn]

1) I don’t think that.
2) I’m not one of those people who believes that refs are generally against us, but I saw that game and the ref fucked us over in that one.


1) “We really need to stop that shit” - why? What possible difference does it make? Unless you think somehow that our attitude transfers itself onto the coach and players I genuinely don’t get what you’re driving at


2) No we fucked ourselves over, even Arteta admitted as much…told the players they were great in every area of the pitch apart from our own penalty area and theirs. He was right, even foregoing the fact that it was a penalty on Bernardo Silva and Gabriel should have been sent off. How many chances did we miss in that game?

[Letters]

1) We as a club
2) Agree to disagree

[HCZ_Reborn]

1) We as a club
2) Agree to disagree

But again I have to ask is that a mentality you believe the club currently have? I can’t see how it is…for example Arteta isn’t going to be obsessive about this as you or I because he was playing in Scottish football going back to the time when they ended our long unbeaten run. Those who are in important posts at the club don’t have that historical sense of grievance.

[Letters]

I like to think Arteta is helping change our mentality so we don’t go into these games defeated before we start. I see today as a test of that. If we lose then fine, there’s no disgrace in losing up there, but make them earn it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I like to think Arteta is helping change our mentality so we don’t go into these games defeated before we start. I see today as a test of that. If we lose then fine, there’s no disgrace in losing up there, but make them earn it.

Unless we basically decide to throw the game which we won’t do, we aren’t going to lose by more than a goal two at the most. I absolutely cannot see United scoring more than two goals against us. The issue is going to be how effectively we attack.
Tierney has given up on football, so Martinelli won’t get service….Ben White isn’t a right back and arguably neither is Tomoyasu so Saka won’t get service….Odegaard is usually completely anonymous in potentially tricky fixtures anyway and with Xhaka and Lokonga behind him he might as well just sit on the bench and have a cup of tea.
Jesus will try to torment their defenders but will be feeding off scraps. They will try and be in our faces as much as possible (absolutely don’t blame them either) they aren’t going to give Xhaka time to prance about like a tit…they will absolutely try to isolate him and Lokonga and it will work.
If we do a deep block in front of goal we could sneak a 0-0 if they have an off day in front of goal but then you’re inviting a soft penalty award.
Its not going to be fun to watch, it will be frustrating….it won’t be about not having a strong enough mentality it will be about the players themselves in certain positions not being good enough.
We can’t counter attack for a start, anyone looking for a reason why we lost all seven away games where we conceded the first goal (and didn’t score in a single one of those games) only needs to look at that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I’m beginning to see why you never got a job at Sky promoting Super Sunday.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m beginning to see why you never got a job at Sky promoting Super Sunday.

Smoking Crack outside the main reception didn’t do me any favours either

[HCZ_Reborn]

Zinchenko back in the team after two games out. That’s the only change from midweek


United Casemiro not starting yet again but Antony is

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Manchester United: De Gea, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Malacia, McTominay, Eriksen, Antony, Fernandes, Sancho, Rashford
Subs: Heaton, Dubravka, Lindelof, Maguire, Ronaldo, Fred, Casemiro, Shaw, Elanga

Arsenal: Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Zinchenko, Lokonga, Xhaka, Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli, Jesus
Subs: Turner, Tierney, Smith-Rowe, Nketiah, Holding, Soares, Tomiyasu, Vieira, Marquinhos.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Interesting question has arisen as to who Arteta regards as his first choice left back

[McNamara That Ghost...]

McTominay in to get away with red card tackle after red card tackle.

[I am invisible]

Nice line up - I like it.

God I want to give these guys a battering!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Nice line up - I like it.

God I want to give these guys a battering!

Don’t really have any animus towards United anymore….they are like a work colleague who you used to not be able to stand but you just feel sorry for them now.

Chelsea, City and Spurs are the sides I can’t stand

[Letters]

I don’t really care about City. I just can’t take anything they do seriously, we all know how they’ve “achieved” it. You could say the same about Chelsea I guess although their fans are such cunts it’s easy to hate them.

[Marc Overmars]

Good to have Zinchenko back.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Brilliant from Jesus.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t really care about City. I just can’t take anything they do seriously, we all know how they’ve “achieved” it. You could say the same about Chelsea I guess although their fans are such cunts it’s easy to hate them.

There’s no such thing as Earned achievement anymore and it’s silly to claim otherwise

United essentially bought their success, the only difference is Chelsea and City have done so on steroids

Liverpool have bought their success too, of course you have to factor in they’ve benefited from the silly money Barcelona gave them down the years for Suarez and Coutinho but they bought that title winning team.

To a lesser extent same for us, Danny Fiszman gave us the money for Overmars and Petit when we won the title in 1998

And if we get 4th place we will have bought our way there having spent well over 300 million in the last couple of years

[HCZ_Reborn]

First team to score wins imo

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I thought Eriksen put that in.

[Marc Overmars]

Good chance for Saliba there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

McTominay strategy is quite obvious.

[Marc Overmars]

Can’t really get hold of the ball.

[Marc Overmars]

MARTINELLI!!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

MARTINELLI!!! WHAT A PLAYER!!!

[GP]

Get the fuck in!

Martinelli!!!

[Marc Overmars]

VAR is going to disallow that.

[GP]

No way is that a foul.

[Marc Overmars]

To be fair that looks like a foul.

[GP]

Bullshit. There's nothing in that.

[GP]

The robbery begins early.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Goal disallowed. Fuck off.

[Letters]

Bullshit. There's nothing in that.

It’s at Old Trafford :shrug:

[I am invisible]

I mean, literally no one saw this coming.

[Marc Overmars]

Nice run from Saka there but no one really free to pass to.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So honest question, if it had been Eriksen who took the ball off Odegaard and put through Sancho to score. Would we think this should have stood?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saliba booked.

[I am invisible]

So honest question, if it had been Eriksen who took the ball off Odegaard and put through Sancho to score. Would we think this should have stood?
Fuck no! Send Eriksen off!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sambi taking Fernandes out. :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Working the ball well now.

De Gea saves from a Martinelli header.

[Marc Overmars]

1-0 Antony :lol:

Cut open very easily.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck sake.

[HCZ_Reborn]

First team to score wins imo

As was saying

And as stated repeatedly this midfield was going to make it too hard for us to get anything from this game

[Marc Overmars]

This game has all the hallmarks of us getting picked off against the run of play.

We’ve actually been decent with the ball but not enough created in the final third.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Odegaard just needs to fucking leather it sometimes.

[Marc Overmars]

Saka :rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

This game has all the hallmarks of us getting picked off against the run of play.

We’ve actually been decent with the ball but not enough created in the final third.

The only surprise to me is that I thought United would be in our faces and press us on the ball, but in fairness thinking about it, it made far more sense for them to catch us on the break after we huff and puff and prove to be toothless up front

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Not a good set piece routine really.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

1-0 HT. Don't think we've done a lot wrong really.

[LDG]

Really fucking hate utd fans. So entitled.

Bastards the lot of em.

[Marc Overmars]

We’ve been decent but as always that rarely seems to make a difference at Old Trafford for us.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We did score tbf.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So have to go back to January 21st 2020 for the last time we got any sort of result away from home after being a goal down at half time

Last time we won after being behind? Can’t remember going to say 2011

[HCZ_Reborn]

We’ve been decent but as always that rarely seems to make a difference at Old Trafford for us.

We conceded a soft goal because we’ve got no midfield. Apart from that brilliant

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jimmy Floyd-Hasselbaink calling it out for the shitshow it is. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on you idiots!

[Marc Overmars]

Jesus control is ridiculous.

[Marc Overmars]

Odegaard fluffs it

Then Saka fires wide

:rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So close Saka.

[Marc Overmars]

Playing really well.

Need to score ASAP or this is going to be 2-0 eventually.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We're playing so well. Fuck sake.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Antony off, Ronaldo on.

[Marc Overmars]

SAKA!!!!!

Fully deserved.

[GP]

SAKAAAAAA!!

Get fucked cunts!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

SAKA COME ON!!!

[Marc Overmars]

Not being funny here but we have been exceptional.

I’m going to be gutted if we don’t take something from this.

[Marc Overmars]

2-1 Rashford

Picked off completely against the run of play, as expected.

[HCZ_Reborn]

2-1 Rashford

Picked off completely against the run of play, as expected.

:haha:

:haha:

I’m sorry I shouldn’t laugh but honestly what were you expecting?

Xhaka getting too far forward leaving Lokonga exposed on the counter

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck sake.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Punished every fucking time no matter how well we play

[Marc Overmars]

:haha:

:haha:

I’m sorry I shouldn’t laugh but honestly what were you expecting?

Xhaka getting too far forward leaving Lokonga exposed on the counter

Expected this to pan out exactly how it has done tbh.

Immediate red flag when you dominate a game so much but don’t have the goals to show for it.

[Globalgunner]

"Another day, another Doug"

[HCZ_Reborn]

Expected this to pan out exactly how it has done tbh.

Immediate red flag when you dominate so much but don’t have the goals to show for it.

I’ll be honest hasnt panned out how I expected at all. I thought they’d press us to death and get a dubious penalty

I thought the main deficiency we’d have in midfield was being unable to make any attacking play, didn’t factor in how shit the midfield would be at defending. Oversight on my part….can’t always get it right.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Punished every fucking time no matter how well we play

We haven’t played well, we’ve been wasteful going forward and have been caught twice on the break

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vieira coming on. :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Vieira coming on. :bow:

Ok I said United wouldn’t score more than two I retract that statement

[Marc Overmars]

3-1 Rashford :shrug:

[Marc Overmars]

Ridiculous defending, thrown it away.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I must be psychic. Arteta is so stupid

When your midfield has already been destroyed on the counter why would you take both Lokonga and Zinchenko off?

Retard

[McNamara That Ghost...]

3-1. Fucking hell.

[Xhaka Can’t]

To be fair to Arteta, he did make an impact on the game.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The good thing is that this hopefully should kill off whinging about the VAR decision

The questions should be about whether Arteta is fit to be coach of the club, on the basis of those substitutions alone the answer has to be no.

Of course we know that he will shout at the players about this, rather than take responsibility himself

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Maguire on. Come on, fuck it up for them.

[Letters]

People who thought we might get something at Old Trafford :haha:


:(

[HCZ_Reborn]

People who thought we might get something at Old Trafford :haha:


:(


Well Arteta absolutely made sure we didn’t

:haha: people that think that Arteta is taking us forward as a club

[Letters]

At least NQ will be happy.

[Marc Overmars]

FT 3-1 :lol:

Shocked

[McNamara That Ghost...]

3-1 FT. Fuck right off.

[HCZ_Reborn]

At least NQ will be happy.

He’s incapable of being happy. That’s why he’s both a libertarian and a conspiracy theorist. By immersing himself in a fantasy utopian idea that has no bearing on reality, he’s always got an excuse for being a prick.

Me? I’m a prick because I enjoy it…it’s the only reason I came back to this forum. Couldn’t be this much of an arse anywhere else. It’s a way of venting the blackness and amusing myself at the same time.

That said im literally fucking furious right now with that Spanish imbecile

[Marc Overmars]

For most of it we were as assured and as confident as I’ve ever seen us at Old Trafford really. Yet of course we contrived to lose despite being superior for the majority of the game. I think Arteta dropped a huge clanger at 2-1 by making such a dramatic change to the shape of the team with the players he brought on.

Nothing much else to say really, a hugely predictable outcome but on we go. Neverton at home next so a good chance to put this behind us quickly.

[HCZ_Reborn]

No he tanked the game. At 1-1 he absolutely should have seen how easily our midfield was being bypassed and taken off Xhaka who again was a fucking liability for Tierney and played Zinchenko next to Lokonga and sat back and soaked up the pressure instead of tearing after a winner.
Fuck VAR decisions, fuck everything else…this defeat was 100% on Arteta.
The only thing I can say is that it wasn’t at predictable as the other defeats we’ve suffered under him. He literally kicked the stool away from us. He should apologise to the players

[Letters]

For most of it we were as assured and as confident as I’ve ever seen us at Old Trafford really. Yet of course we contrived to lose despite being superior for the majority of the game. I think Arteta dropped a huge clanger at 2-1 by making such a dramatic change to the shape of the team with the players he brought on.
I don’t know if this is a step up or not. We spent years dominating games like this and losing. Then at our worst we were getting a pasting. If we are back to dominating then I guess that’s good…but we still lost, so… :shrug:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t know if this is a step up or not. We spent years dominating games like this and losing. Then at our worst we were getting a pasting. If we are back to dominating then I guess that’s good…but we still lost, so… :shrug:

What’s different is the players made silly mistakes or were naive. In this case they’ve been completely sandbagged by the coach.

[Marc Overmars]

I don’t know if this is a step up or not. We spent years dominating games like this and losing. Then at our worst we were getting a pasting. If we are back to dominating then I guess that’s good…but we still lost, so… :shrug:

What I alluded to before the game, doesn’t matter how good or bad things are. Winning this specific fixture is as rare as it gets for us. Don’t know why but it just is.

I did like what I saw though and I’m sure this won’t send us into a tailspin. We looked confident and that will be enough to win more games than not.

[HCZ_Reborn]

What I alluded to before the game, doesn’t matter how good or bad things are. Winning this specific fixture is as rare as it gets for us. Don’t know why but it just is.

I did like what I saw though and I’m sure this won’t send us into a tailspin. We looked confident and that will be enough to win more games than not.

We won there less than two years ago. Before last December we were unbeaten there for about three years. I don’t buy into this idea that the ground held any fear for us.

I’m far more frightened of playing Brentford in the next away game if Partey is not back. We will get destroyed

[Marc Overmars]

We won there less than two years ago. Before last December we were unbeaten there for about three years. I don’t buy into this idea that the ground held any fear for us.

I’m far more frightened of playing Brentford in the next away game if Partey is not back. We will get destroyed

Drawn a few times there but don’t win. I said it’s rare, we won during the covid season which was our first three points there since 2006. Maybe fear isn’t the right word but there’s always some shit that happens here and more often than not it’s of our own doing.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Drawn a few times there but don’t win. I said it’s rare, we won during the covid season which was our first three points there since 2006. Maybe fear isn’t the right word but there’s always some shit that happens here and more often than not it’s of our own doing.

It’s usually because United are better than us. We’ve lost six times in a row at City and at Liverpool…didn’t manage that at Old Trafford.

But as I say only one reason we lost today, sabotage by Arteta.

[Mac76]

At least NQ will be happy.

you make it sound like that's a good thing :blink:

[Mac76]

i only listened on the radio but it sounded entirely predictable, with Arsenal industrious but not clinical in front of goal, Moan U doing what they needed to and getting the job done

Arteta's naivete transmits itself to the team and it sets us apart from real top four clubs

[Letters]

you make it sound like that's a good thing :blink:

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

At least NQ will be happy.

Can't go for 5 minutes without your girly sniping, can you? I'm not the one who is happy about what has happened to the club. That would be you and the attention deficit crowd who greet every false dawn with euphoria, right up until reality makes your arse bleed. Don't get mad at me because I have the occasional chuckle each time you complete a lap.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Can't go for 5 minutes without your girly sniping, can you? I'm not the one who is happy about what has happened to the club. That would be you and the attention deficit crowd who greet every false dawn with euphoria, right up until reality makes your arse bleed. Don't get mad at me because I have the occasional chuckle each time you complete a lap.

You never used to be that easy to provoke

I hate the fact that I’m even saying this but

What happened to you man?

[Niall_Quinn]

He’s incapable of being happy. That’s why he’s both a libertarian and a conspiracy theorist. By immersing himself in a fantasy utopian idea that has no bearing on reality, he’s always got an excuse for being a prick.

Me? I’m a prick because I enjoy it…it’s the only reason I came back to this forum. Couldn’t be this much of an arse anywhere else. It’s a way of venting the blackness and amusing myself at the same time.

That said im literally fucking furious right now with that Spanish imbecile

Wow, so I guess my rather obvious (as in DUH!) predictions of the nailed on inevitability chapped your arse too? What "reality" would you prefer?

[Niall_Quinn]

You never used to be that easy to provoke

I hate the fact that I’m even saying this but

What happened to you man?

It's documentation. To be "provoked" you need somebody doing the provoking. And when that somebody paints himself as a reasonable and fair minded fellow, a moderator on the forum no less, documentation (which you mistake as an illogical and emotional response) can be an effective device for allowing a hypocrite to destroy themselves by their own hand. It might even provoke imagination in the normally unthinking herd.

The irony on this occasion is it's the first time I can recall actually wanting Arsenal to win a match in maybe two years, certainly the past year. Not that I want them to lose either, I just don't expend any thought on such things. However, this time I wandered into a room where at least one occupant was hoping for an Arsenal win. So on his account I hoped for the same, even though I realised a win would have created daylight at the top of the table and was therefore impossible. Still, it's the thought that counts.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wow, so I guess my rather obvious (as in DUH!) predictions of the nailed on inevitability chapped your arse too? What "reality" would you prefer?

I refer you to my previous post

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's documentation. To be "provoked" you need somebody doing the provoking. And when that somebody paints himself as a reasonable and fair minded fellow, a moderator on the forum no less, documentation (which you mistake as an illogical and emotional response) can be an effective device for allowing a hypocrite to destroy themselves by their own hand. It might even provoke imagination in the normally unthinking herd.

The irony on this occasion is it's the first time I can recall actually wanting Arsenal to win a match in maybe two years, certainly the past year. Not that I want them to lose either, I just don't expend any thought on such things. However, this time I wandered into a room where at least one occupant was hoping for an Arsenal win. So on his account I hoped for the same, even though I realised a win would have created daylight at the top of the table and was therefore impossible. Still, it's the thought that counts.


Seriously? This is Islamist reacting to a picture of Mohammed level of Pavlovian Dog behaviour

[Letters]

Can't go for 5 minutes without your girly sniping, can you?
You really need to lighten up, you complete wazzock :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

I refer you to my previous post

Or any of them.

Okay. Xhaka worst playa ever. Arteta worst managa ever. Has this corrected "reality" sufficiently?

[Niall_Quinn]

You really need to lighten up, you complete wazzock :good:

It creeps me out having some weirdo stalker pining after me when I'm not around.

[Letters]

Or don’t. :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

Or don’t. :good:

Until the next time then.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It creeps me out having some weirdo stalker pining after me when I'm not around.

Maybe the solution is not to come around then? I remember when I left four years ago I think several people referred to me as a cunt (they weren’t wrong in fairness). The fact is people get talked about when they aren’t around be it real life or on an outdated forum

It’s not even that you find the experience of Arsenal joyless, nothing on here seems to give you any joy. What’s the end game? Are you hoping that after all these years that you’ll recruit people to your way of thinking.

The very apotheosis of supporting a club is hoping for the best no matter what the reality, it’s like a disappointing child that you still love unconditionally. It’s hilarious that you seem to think you’ve stolen a March on people here in that respect.
I literally come on here as a form of distraction….at least 50% of why I say is utterly hyperbolic because I can vent and be a total unreconstructed tit because no one here is ever going to know me in real life to form an impression of me.

You kind of behave like you’re being summoned here against your will

[Niall_Quinn]

Maybe the solution is not to come around then?

It’s not even that you find the experience of Arsenal joyless, nothing on here seems to give you any joy. What’s the end game? Are you hoping that after all these years that you’ll recruit people to your way of thinking.

The very apotheosis of supporting a club is hoping for the best no matter what the reality, it’s like a disappointing child that you still love unconditionally. It’s hilarious that you seem to think you’ve stolen a March on people here in that respect.
I literally come on here as a form of distraction….at least 50% of why I say is utterly hyperbolic because I can vent and be a total unreconstructed tit because no one here is ever going to know me in real life to form an impression of me.

You kind of behave like you’re being summoned here against your will

Not sure what you are on about really. I barely comment on Arsenal any more. The odd few occasions I do usually follow the odd few occasions I watch a game or part of a game. The same as anyone else here I sometimes share my opinion, I haven't seen a prerequisite to share such opinions in a joyful manner. When the team plays well I'll say so. When they play poorly I'll say so. If a player has performed well I might point it out. When they are shite I call them shite. It's a simple formula, Because the team has scarcely played well in over a decade it might appear I limit myself to reporting poor performance, but short of distorting the reality I am bound by it if I want to remain accurate.

I joined the forum while being a supporter of the club. As I have stated on several occasions, that support faded and eventually dispersed as the club and football in general transformed into an inferior product focused entirely on commercial interests. During that time other threads related to politics and current affairs became more active, mainly due to so many being struck down with TDS, and then the Covid fiasco. That's where I have mainly posted.

It seems, prompted by a strange individual's tendency to mention me across the forum, you feel I should stop posting because I have nothing positive to report on the odd occasion I speak about an inferior football club or the strange individual in question. You are entitled to your opinion but it's one I won't be taking onboard at this time. I would suspect we all post here as some form of distraction from activities that are likely more useful in the grand scheme. I sometimes scan with no intention of posting. But something I see might perk my interest. It's not a hard and fast plan. As for here as opposed to real life, I have no doubt whatsoever the people here are very much similar in real life, perhaps not in the language they deploy, but certainly in character. For example, it would be too difficult for certain people to play at being so thoroughly ignorant or deluded over such a prolonged period. The act would slip.

Anyway, that's a strange post, more about you than me but thanks all the same.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not sure what you are on about really. I barely comment on Arsenal any more. The odd few occasions I do usually follow the odd few occasions I watch a game or part of a game. The same as anyone else here I sometimes share my opinion, I haven't seen a prerequisite to share such opinions in a joyful manner. When the team plays well I'll say so. When they play poorly I'll say so. If a player has performed well I might point it out. When they are shite I call them shite. It's a simple formula, Because the team has scarcely played well in over a decade it might appear I limit myself to reporting poor performance, but short of distorting the reality I am bound by it if I want to remain accurate.

I joined the forum while being a supporter of the club. As I have stated on several occasions, that support faded and eventually dispersed as the club and football in general transformed into an inferior product focused entirely on commercial interests. During that time other threads related to politics and current affairs became more active, mainly due to so many being struck down with TDS, and then the Covid fiasco. That's where I have mainly posted.

It seems, prompted by a strange individual's tendency to mention me across the forum, you feel I should stop posting because I have nothing positive to report on the odd occasion I speak about an inferior football club or the strange individual in question. You are entitled to your opinion but it's one I won't be taking onboard at this time. I would suspect we all post here as some form of distraction from activities that are likely more useful in the grand scheme. I sometimes scan with no intention of posting. But something I see might perk my interest. It's not a hard and fast plan. As for here as opposed to real life, I have no doubt whatsoever the people here are very much similar in real life, perhaps not in the language they deploy, but certainly in character. For example, it would be too difficult for certain people to play at being so thoroughly ignorant or deluded over such a prolonged period. The act would slip.

Anyway, that's a strange post, more about you than me but thanks all the same.

I don’t feel you should do anything. I just wonder why you continue to come back here

I still get the impression that it’s more out of habit than enjoyment.

There’s no Pre-requisite of any kind, but I find as I get older I try and keep the things I derive nothing productive from to an absolute bare minimum.

So you’re saying you go off on interminable rambling homilies at length in real life too? Crikey

[Niall_Quinn]

I don’t feel you should do anything. I just wonder why you continue to come back here

I still get the impression that it’s more out of habit than enjoyment.

There’s no Pre-requisite of any kind, but I find as I get older I try and keep the things I derive nothing productive from to an absolute bare minimum.

So you’re saying you go off on interminable rambling homilies at length in real life too? Crikey

There's another way of looking at it which has the benefit of relevance and context. See what the little shit has managed to "provoke" in a match thread? Maybe another thing to wonder about? While he sits back and watches you mirror me keystroke by keystroke, it might be said I'm not the only one so provoked. I guess you must find it productive, at a bare minimum.

Of course our friend will have moved on to planting his next little smiley or "just leaving this here" contribution that so stirs the "debate", fine upstanding fellow that he is.

If it was a one-off occurrence it'd be a stretch to call him out for his repetitive behaviour. But we only have to reach as far as the match thread from last week. We can extend at leisure back through his own sustained habit. It's all a joke, as I'm sure you know. Except when others do it. Indeed, our champion of sincerity often tells us how we "all know" posters that fell under his ban hammer were shameless WUMs.

Aren'y we lucky to have a character of such integrity at the helm?

[HCZ_Reborn]

There's another way of looking at it which has the benefit of relevance and context. See what the little shit has managed to "provoke" in a match thread? Maybe another thing to wonder about? While he sits back and watches you mirror me keystroke by keystroke, it might be said I'm not the only one so provoked. I guess you must find it productive, at a bare minimum.

Of course our friend will have moved on to planting his next little smiley or "just leaving this here" contribution that so stirs the "debate", fine upstanding fellow that he is.

If it was a one-off occurrence it'd be a stretch to call him out for his repetitive behaviour. But we only have to reach as far as the match thread from last week. We can extend at leisure back through his own sustained habit. It's all a joke, as I'm sure you know. Except when others do it. Indeed, our champion of sincerity often tells us how we "all know" posters that fell under his ban hammer were shameless WUMs.

Aren'y we lucky to have a character of such integrity at the helm?

I’m here because I openly admit a personality flaw in which I love to have the last word

You’re here because a midget bloke in his 40s mentioned you and you’re so vexxed by it that you’re still replying to me and ranting about it, like he’s been getting into your house whilst you’re out and moving your stuff about in an attempt to make you think you’re going crazy.

You seem to think you’re living rent free in his head, and instead he’s living rent free in yours.

Basically get over yourself, this place has always been a free for all…and I’m too aware that I spend far too much time engaged in arguments with strangers who’s opinion matters nothing to me.

Surely it stands to reason though, that there’s no possible reason for you to give a fuck what Letters says, whether he invokes you like a dead relative.


Whatever I say about that Scottish prat, at least he has the good sense not to rise to my attempts to bait him

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m here because I openly admit a personality flaw in which I love to have the last word

You’re here because a midget bloke in his 40s mentioned you and you’re so vexxed by it that you’re still replying to me and ranting about it, like he’s been getting into your house whilst you’re out and moving your stuff about in an attempt to make you think you’re going crazy.

You seem to think you’re living rent free in his head, and instead he’s living rent free in yours.

Basically get over yourself, this place has always been a free for all…and I’m too aware that I spend far too much time engaged in arguments with strangers who’s opinion matters nothing to me.

Surely it stands to reason though, that there’s no possible reason for you to give a fuck what Letters says, whether he invokes you like a dead relative.


Whatever I say about that Scottish prat, at least he has the good sense not to rise to my attempts to bait him

Projection coated in fake humility. Or I can type that in all caps if it will help your case?

Then, there's another way of looking at it. The more varied the voices the greater the exposure to ideas that would normally be excluded from the mainstream story arc. You don't actually have to win the Internets to tee up an idea that blooms in time.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Please don’t tell me you’re that deluded to think you are offering anything new or insightful on here. You accuse me of false humility, no it’s just self reflection I don’t imagine for a second that my presence here enhances understanding or discussion for anyone. I genuinely have to believe that no one is that conceited to believe that they are.

However I will say that now the time has come to stop replying here on something that is completely off topic to what the post was intended for. I’m not going to blame Letters for the fact that I did so in the first place, it’s on me.

[Letters]

See what the little shit has managed to "provoke" in a match thread? Maybe another thing to wonder about?
You don't really need to wonder because we've had this conversation a million times.
I post here mostly to break up the working day. And a lot of my posts are throwaway quips, there's no great masterplan behind it all.
You're a miserable bastard so the joke is you'll be happy now we've lost a game. Ahahaha. It's not a very good joke. I'm not expecting to be headlining at the O2 with my groundbreaking standup. Were Zim still alive I'd have picked him - as I have many times in the past. That's it.

Your trouble is you can't help but infer malicious intent or ulterior motive from everyone, which is the root cause of you being wrong about all the things you've been wrong about over the last couple of years which we've been through in some detail elsewhere.

:tiphat:

[Mac76]

You don't really need to wonder because we've had this conversation a million times.
I post here mostly to break up the working day. And a lot of my posts are throwaway quips, there's no great masterplan behind it all.
You're a miserable bastard so the joke is you'll be happy now we've lost a game. Ahahaha. It's not a very good joke. I'm not expecting to be headlining at the O2 with my groundbreaking standup. Were Zim still alive I'd have picked him - as I have many times in the past. That's it.

Your trouble is you can't help but infer malicious intent or ulterior motive from everyone, which is the root cause of you being wrong about all the things you've been wrong about over the last couple of years which we've been through in some detail elsewhere.

:tiphat:

true, ultimately though that's why it's probably better to ignore NQ altogether rather than mention him in posts - you have heard that line about "ignore them for long enough and they go away" haven't you? :lol:

i long ago gave up reading through his intellectually incoherent, long-winded, ridiculous right-wing conspiracist diatribes - the biggest joke of all is his attmept to turn around literally a handful of Arsenal fans to his way of thinking, even though he demonstrably never will - it's the definition of futility

i also like the way he constantly says he gave up watching Arsenal years ago only to pop up and 'happen' to have seen some or all of the latest game...

it's attention seeking at it's finest/worst (can't make my mind up which :shrug:)

[Niall_Quinn]

Please don’t tell me you’re that deluded to think you are offering anything new or insightful on here. You accuse me of false humility, no it’s just self reflection I don’t imagine for a second that my presence here enhances understanding or discussion for anyone. I genuinely have to believe that no one is that conceited to believe that they are.

However I will say that now the time has come to stop replying here on something that is completely off topic to what the post was intended for. I’m not going to blame Letters for the fact that I did so in the first place, it’s on me.

New or insightful? I don't know, others would have to decide that. But certainly an alternative to the steady beat plus a reminder to remember the past and compare it to the present.

[Niall_Quinn]

You don't really need to wonder because we've had this conversation a million times.
I post here mostly to break up the working day. And a lot of my posts are throwaway quips, there's no great masterplan behind it all.
You're a miserable bastard so the joke is you'll be happy now we've lost a game. Ahahaha. It's not a very good joke. I'm not expecting to be headlining at the O2 with my groundbreaking standup. Were Zim still alive I'd have picked him - as I have many times in the past. That's it.

Your trouble is you can't help but infer malicious intent or ulterior motive from everyone, which is the root cause of you being wrong about all the things you've been wrong about over the last couple of years which we've been through in some detail elsewhere.

:tiphat:

Who are you talking to? Me, or the groupies? I already know why you "pick" people, no need to excuse yourself again. I've been around long enough to recall the fate of those who beat you at your own game.

[selassie]

true, ultimately though that's why it's probably better to ignore NQ altogether rather than mention him in posts - you have heard that line about "ignore them for long enough and they go away" haven't you? :lol:

i long ago gave up reading through his intellectually incoherent, long-winded, ridiculous right-wing conspiracist diatribes - the biggest joke of all is his attmept to turn around literally a handful of Arsenal fans to his way of thinking, even though he demonstrably never will - it's the definition of futility

i also like the way he constantly says he gave up watching Arsenal years ago only to pop up and 'happen' to have seen some or all of the latest game...

it's attention seeking at it's finest/worst (can't make my mind up which :shrug:)

:haha:

[Letters]

Who are you talking to?
Why don't you understand how messageboards work? My post was a reply to yours but posts on here can be seen by anyone, so it wasn't "to" anyone specific. If I wanted to talk to someone specific I'd have PM'd them.


I already know why you "pick" people
Yes, we have spoken about your misplaced confidence in your ability to discern things.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why don't you understand how messageboards work? My post was a reply to yours but posts on here can be seen by anyone, so it wasn't "to" anyone specific. If I wanted to talk to someone specific I'd have PM'd them.


Yes, we have spoken about your misplaced confidence in your ability to discern things.

We always have the search feature, unfortunately for you. If only your bark could live up to your bite I might not be the last one here showing what you are. Let us pray, eh?

You know I can see right through you, and that's where the tech assisted hypocrisy comes from.

A toast to those departed.

[Letters]

You know I can see right through you

As a wise man once said...


Yes, we have spoken about your misplaced confidence in your ability to discern things.



A toast to those departed.

Like who?

[Niall_Quinn]

As a wise man once said...






Like who?


Can you believe that? The fucking elite bastards who said they love you don't ACTUALLY love you? Even though you love them?

The ingratitude.

[Niall_Quinn]

You ruined this thread, didn't you?

Just couldn't keep your period pains in check.

[selassie]

You ruined this thread, didn't you?

Just couldn't keep your period pains in check.

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