Palace v Arsenal ratings

[mandela8]

Canny be fucked rating.

Thought Delneny Rice had a good first half. Tried to be positive with the ball. 7

Is Partey now the best RB in the league? 6.5

Thought Ben Shite was decent. 6.5

Everyone else 6 apart from Martinelli and Saka who were both very, very poor again. 4s.


Great win. Played shite again and won again. We'd have lost that Everytime for the best part of a decade. Last year we started to win them. Now I expect to win them. That's a huge difference in mentality.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I expected we'd win, or should I say not lose....but at a point our anti football almost got me rooting for Palace.

It seems what drives Arteta is not losing a game and on the chance we take a lead (deserved or undeserved), the only thing that drives him is protecting his advantage. If all managers think like Arteta, the beautiful game wouldn't be more popular than curling!!

Yes we were 10 men down, but we played a poor Palace side FFS. Once Roy took off his defender to add an extra attacker, the least I expected was a sub with a new attacker that would be able to counter if need be, instead we had a team filled with 9 defensive players! I thought I'd seen everything in football till I saw this....I mean its a league game, not an effing cup final.

For those who are good at psychology, its clear that this team is afraid to lose, the problem is we will lose eventually and probably when that happens we'll struggle to recover just like last season.

Arteta has some deep issues, that will only get him so far as a top coach, no matter what he wins.

About the game, Rice's performance was the only laudable thing, and TBH I could see a partnership with Partey that doesn't need Odegaard....but thats too obvious for our genius coach.

The lads deserve praise though, they really played with heart.

[Mac76]

Canny be fucked rating.

Thought Delneny Rice had a good first half. Tried to be positive with the ball. 7

Is Partey now the best RB in the league? 6.5

Thought Ben Shite was decent. 6.5

Everyone else 6 apart from Martinelli and Saka who were both very, very poor again. 4s.


Great win. Played shite again and won again. We'd have lost that Everytime for the best part of a decade. Last year we started to win them. Now I expect to win them. That's a huge difference in mentality.

Palace chucked away a bucket of chances, we can't expect to be so lucky every time, are you really saying this is the form of champions?

I swear Arteta was just trying to win a bet he'd made with someone about how many defenders he could get onto the pitch at once

[Marc Overmars]

What I like about Rice so far is that he’s clearly one of the most switched on players we have, definitely someone you want in the trenches with you and won’t become passive when it’s not going our way. I don’t see him being the cause of any issues this season, if anything he’s going to be cleaning up the mess around him.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Palace chucked away a bucket of chances, we can't expect to be so lucky every time, are you really saying this is the form of champions?

I swear Arteta was just trying to win a bet he'd made with someone about how many defenders he could get onto the pitch at once


The Mitchell chance right at the end aside, they were half chances. Even if Eduoard hadn’t headed over his body positioning was such that he wouldn’t have given Ramsdale much hassle in saving it.

Lots of overcooked crosses and passes that fizzled away into nothing, like MO I have to say I never thought them likely to score an equaliser. But I’m not dismissing your concerns, i thought we defended ok but a better team than Palace will create better chances.

Defensively wasn’t my issue, it was just the lack of chances created, the lack of finesse when we did create chances and the complete negation of ambition when Tomoyasu departed.

[Mac76]

What I like about Rice so far is that he’s clearly one of the most switched on players we have, definitely someone you want in the trenches with you and won’t become passive when it’s not going our way. I don’t see him being the cause of any issues this season, if anything he’s going to be cleaning up the mess around him.

He was the only plus from today

[Marc Overmars]

I have no idea why we spent 65m on Havertz. It’s not that he’s shite but I’m not actually sure what his role is because he doesn’t seem to have any cohesion with our front line?

Weird signing.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ramsdale - 6.5 - Didn’t really have anything to do

White - 7 - Defensively solid after we went down to ten men

Saliba - 7.5 - Made a mistake but cleaned up after himself and was generally solid

Tomoyasu - 5.5 - Ayew had him on toast, which makes Ayew even more of a cheating bastard by throwing himself to the floor under minimal contact.


Partey - 6.5 - Gives the ball away too much, just casual at times


Rice - 8 - I think his mere presence makes us less potent offensively, but he’s defensively solid and no nonsense


Havertz - 5.5 - Even worse than he was against Forest


Martinelli - 6.5 - Lacking composure, added the 0.5 for his quick thinking that led to the penalty


Odegaard - 6.5 - Started poorly, almost put us in the shit by being dispossessed but became more authoritative as game went on, silly to sub him


Saka - 6 - Man marked out of the game and crossing was about as effective as Ayews (it wasn’t)


Nketiah - 7 - I’m going to be generous, yeah he fluffed a golden chance but we know he’s a shit finisher. He was unlucky to hit the post, made himself available and did well to get onto Martinelli’s pass to win penalty


Subs

Gabriel 7 - Why isn’t he starting games, I keep seeing rumours that we are going to sell him. I’ll make a burning effigy of Arteta if we do


Jorginho 7 - Bought for this kind of occasion I guess


Zinchenko 6 - Imagine bringing him on when defending a lead


Kiwior 6.5 - Can’t even really remember seeing anything he did

[HCZ_Reborn]

Genuinely worried about this season, where are the goals coming from. If we go behind in fixtures like this, you know full well we aren’t coming back into them. I predicted one point from the opening two games yet somehow that we have six doesn’t make me feel even the slightest bit better. In some ways it makes me feel worse, because Arteta’s clownish behaviour is being rewarded

[mandela8]

I have no idea why we spent 65m on Havertz. It’s not that he’s shite but I’m not actually sure what his role is because he doesn’t seem to have any cohesion with our front line?

Weird signing.

Played 2 games, tbf.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I am guessing we have a slight hangover from the end of last season and everyone is just being a little more cautious this time round.

Sometimes playing total dogshit and still winning is the stuff you need to learn to do to grind out the results when the the business end comes around.

Hopefully in the next few weeks we will start to paly into our game more and start scoring goals, but for now, a win is a win.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think last night proved what a waste of money Rice was. Yes he played well but there was simply no need for him. The reason for signing a central defensive midfielder was to have someone who could deputise or interchange with Partey. Rice is far too technically deficient to be that player, so he’s played as an extra DCM which we don’t need….let’s not pretend Partey is a right back, he understands the role about as well as Zinchenko understands left back.

What are we doing? Are we hoping that we will have our own version of Rodri, when he lacks the technical ability, passing and vision to be anything more than an upgrade on Elneny.

Caicedo was the player to buy, despite the shit he produced on Sunday he’s technically superior to even Partey and he loves playing against the press.

Then we should have replaced the Albanian Wally with a player in the style of Tielemans (not necessarily Tielemans, been poor for some time)

Then we buy an actual striker. We didn’t need a defender, Timber obviously very good but you can’t play him at left back because he’s not good enough going forward to prevent Martinelli from being isolated and so essentially you’d only have him as an upgrade on Tomoyasu.


When Arteta goes, we are going to have so much work to do cleaning up the mess he’s made. So many players with potential will have to go because they’ve been infected with his stench.


Awful. I’d like to think lessons will be learnt but it’s hard to see

[Globalgunner]

I think last night proved what a waste of money Rice was. Yes he played well but there was simply no need for him. The reason for signing a central defensive midfielder was to have someone who could deputise or interchange with Partey. Rice is far too technically deficient to be that player, so he’s played as an extra DCM which we don’t need….let’s not pretend Partey is a right back, he understands the role about as well as Zinchenko understands left back.

What are we doing? Are we hoping that we will have our own version of Rodri, when he lacks the technical ability, passing and vision to be anything more than an upgrade on Elneny.

Caicedo was the player to buy, despite the shit he produced on Sunday he’s technically superior to even Partey and he loves playing against the press.

Then we should have replaced the Albanian Wally with a player in the style of Tielemans (not necessarily Tielemans, been poor for some time)

Then we buy an actual striker. We didn’t need a defender, Timber obviously very good but you can’t play him at left back because he’s not good enough going forward to prevent Martinelli from being isolated and so essentially you’d only have him as an upgrade on Tomoyasu.


When Arteta goes, we are going to have so much work to do cleaning up the mess he’s made. So many players with potential will have to go because they’ve been infected with his stench.


Awful. I’d like to think lessons will be learnt but it’s hard to see

We say the same thing after each manager leaves and repeat the same cycle. This club will never change. Coming 2nd or 3rd is as good as winning the real thing in the minds of the owners. How many years and how much money has Arteta wasted now?. 5 years, 500M?. Must be close....The only thing that will change Arsenal is when those wankers in white down the road start winning things and rub it in our faces. Fortunately or unfortunately that could be in 50 years time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jorghino is the best midfielder at the club, by a mile. Is that his name? He should start. He's the only one in the centre who isn't in full panic mode when he receives the ball.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think last night proved what a waste of money Rice was. Yes he played well but there was simply no need for him. The reason for signing a central defensive midfielder was to have someone who could deputise or interchange with Partey. Rice is far too technically deficient to be that player, so he’s played as an extra DCM which we don’t need….let’s not pretend Partey is a right back, he understands the role about as well as Zinchenko understands left back.

What are we doing? Are we hoping that we will have our own version of Rodri, when he lacks the technical ability, passing and vision to be anything more than an upgrade on Elneny.

Caicedo was the player to buy, despite the shit he produced on Sunday he’s technically superior to even Partey and he loves playing against the press.

Then we should have replaced the Albanian Wally with a player in the style of Tielemans (not necessarily Tielemans, been poor for some time)

Then we buy an actual striker. We didn’t need a defender, Timber obviously very good but you can’t play him at left back because he’s not good enough going forward to prevent Martinelli from being isolated and so essentially you’d only have him as an upgrade on Tomoyasu.


When Arteta goes, we are going to have so much work to do cleaning up the mess he’s made. So many players with potential will have to go because they’ve been infected with his stench.


Awful. I’d like to think lessons will be learnt but it’s hard to see

"Proved"? After 2 games? Sounds like a kangaroo court to me (another one). It "suggested" he might not be all that. "Proved"? Hardly. The media "proved" Bergkamp was shit when he first arrived. Nobody finds them credible either.

[Mac76]

Jorghino is the best midfielder at the club, by a mile. Is that his name? He should start. He's the only one in the centre who isn't in full panic mode when he receives the ball.

quite correct, at least as far as defensive midfielders are concerned, of course we didn't spend that much on him so he doesn't get to start - only players we paid too much for get to do that

[HCZ_Reborn]

"Proved"? After 2 games? Sounds like a kangaroo court to me (another one). It "suggested" he might not be all that. "Proved"? Hardly. The media "proved" Bergkamp was shit when he first arrived. Nobody finds them credible either.

It’s got nothing to do with the players quality or not. I think Havertz is a very talented player for example, but we absolutely didn’t need him and he’s jumped from the frying pan into the fire at Arsenal.


Rice is an athlete, very fit, reasonably strong and he’s excellent at paint by numbers football. That’s why his stats are good because he does the easy things easily. But anything complicated like winning the ball deep and getting past players that will press him all over the place he’s going to look as silly as Elneny. It’s not his fault, he’s technically limited. Since you believe in God even though I don’t, it’s reasonable to say God didn’t make him that way. Certainly not as anything other than an average footballer.

It is misleading I concede to say he’s proved he’s a waste of money, because there was simply no possibility of him proving otherwise. His transfer fee set him up to fail

[HCZ_Reborn]

quite correct, at least as far as defensive midfielders are concerned, of course we didn't spend that much on him so he doesn't get to start - only players we paid too much for get to do that

Jorginho has an excellent range of passing, but he’s horrendously slow…that’s not even a thing with age. He’s always been that way. There are certain games you can start him in but they are few and far between especially when half our problem is not getting the transition right between defence and attack. If we were playing Havertz up front instead of midfield, long balls from Jorginho which Havertz would be very adept at holding up, would be excellent

[Niall_Quinn]

Jorginho has an excellent range of passing, but he’s horrendously slow…that’s not even a thing with age. He’s always been that way. There are certain games you can start him in but they are few and far between especially when half our problem is not getting the transition right between defence and attack. If we were playing Havertz up front instead of midfield, long balls from Jorginho which Havertz would be very adept at holding up, would be excellent

You mustn't actually be watching the matches, so we're even on that score.

But in the 15 minutes I watched I saw a £100million player who couldn't clear a ball 5 yards, along with the rest of his useless (though highly competitive in this non-competitive league) colleagues.

Except for three players.

That Saliba bloke seems to be a fairly decent defender in the mould of real defenders who we've all seen in the past but generally don't exist now. REALLY, rEAllY (can I do the weird case thing?) simple stuff. Ball in danger area - kick ball a fucking long way up the pitch. Amazing how nobody else on the team can figure that out.

Partey - did well in defence. Was very suprised. The guy is so fucking useless in midfield you'd think that's his SOP. But no, pretty effective at the back. Pretty determined. Of course once he's done his defensive duties he reverts to being incapable of doing anything with the ball.

Jorginho. So what if he's slow? He didn't look any slower than the other fucks tbf. But he actually has a plan when he gets the ball. Can't say that about any other player in the middle. The rest of them look for the easy option and if they can't find that they give the ball to the opposition without fail.

You need to actually watch the games.

I get it, you have this vision of how you WANT the team to play. But you are overlooking how the team ACTUALLY plays.

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s got nothing to do with the players quality or not. I think Havertz is a very talented player for example, but we absolutely didn’t need him and he’s jumped from the frying pan into the fire at Arsenal.


Rice is an athlete, very fit, reasonably strong and he’s excellent at paint by numbers football. That’s why his stats are good because he does the easy things easily. But anything complicated like winning the ball deep and getting past players that will press him all over the place he’s going to look as silly as Elneny. It’s not his fault, he’s technically limited. Since you believe in God even though I don’t, it’s reasonable to say God didn’t make him that way. Certainly not as anything other than an average footballer.

It is misleading I concede to say he’s proved he’s a waste of money, because there was simply no possibility of him proving otherwise. His transfer fee set him up to fail

The little bit I saw was shocking, particularly Rice. He has a ton of games to find his groove, so not panic stations yet. But what he did in that match was below Sunday league level. The simple things, he got them all wrong. So I don't agree he's a master at that, based on what I watched.

Xhaka was the best midfielder. Any honest person could see that. Not great, just best.

Now it's the old, slow guy from the chavs.

So plenty of scope for the other guys who are pocketing a wheelbarrow of money every week to step up and deliver. Maybe they will.

[HCZ_Reborn]

You mustn't actually be watching the matches, so we're even on that score.

But in the 15 minutes I watched I saw a £100million player who couldn't clear a ball 5 yards, along with the rest of his useless (though highly competitive in this non-competitive league) colleagues.

Except for three players.

That Saliba bloke seems to be a fairly decent defender in the mould of real defenders who we've all seen in the past but generally don't exist now. REALLY, rEAllY (can I do the weird case thing?) simple stuff. Ball in danger area - kick ball a fucking long way up the pitch. Amazing how nobody else on the team can figure that out.

Partey - did well in defence. Was very suprised. The guy is so fucking useless in midfield you'd think that's his SOP. But no, pretty effective at the back. Pretty determined. Of course once he's done his defensive duties he reverts to being incapable of doing anything with the ball.

Jorginho. So what if he's slow? He didn't look any slower than the other fucks tbf. But he actually has a plan when he gets the ball. Can't say that about any other player in the middle. The rest of them look for the easy option and if they can't find that they give the ball to the opposition without fail.

You need to actually watch the games.

I get it, you have this vision of how you WANT the team to play. But you are overlooking how the team ACTUALLY plays.


Yeah I think you suggesting I watch the game is a bit rich

So you watched a game where we are sat back in our own third and on that basis decided Jorginho is our best midfielder

You realise that’s not how most games go for us right?

That we push up and quite high and that if you’re a defensive midfielder and have no pace you get exposed. This isn’t a hypothetical either, this happened when Jorginho started games at the Arse end of last season.

[KSE Comedy Club]

The little bit I saw was shocking, particularly Rice. He has a ton of games to find his groove, so not panic stations yet. But what he did in that match was below Sunday league level. The simple things, he got them all wrong. So I don't agree he's a master at that, based on what I watched.



All the pundits lauded Rice's performance and said he was MOTM

Not sure what you were watching?