Arsenal vs PSV Eindhoven Player Rating and Match Reaction

[HCZ_Reborn]

Raya 7 - Wasn’t really threatened but managed to be devoid of drama


White 6.5 - Got a bit tangled up with Dest in the first half


Saliba 8 - Rolls Royce of a defender


Gabriel 8 - Solid and good passing out from the back


Zinchenko 5 - Don’t think block with his arm was a penalty but once again offers no protection defensively



Rice 7 - Didn’t have a great deal to do but kept things ticking over


Havertz 7 - Actually thought he played ok, in the context that he did well with the space he had


Odegaard 8 - Poor start to the season behind now, pulling the attacking strings much more


Saka 8.5 - He scored and he provided, other than a certain Scotsman I don’t think you can ask for anymore


Trossard 8.5 - As effective on the left as Saka was on the right


Jesus 7.5 - Took goal well but still misses too many chances



Subs


Tomoyasu 7
Jorginho 7
Smith Rowe 7
Vieira 7
Nelson 7.5



Can’t fault tonight, expected it to be a drab affair where we would be trying to break them down but did not prove to be the case. They were open and we went through them like shit through a goose. Comfortable throughout, managed to give a lot of players run outs second half. If only we could play this lot every week

[Mac76]

Two things:

1. Havertz was no more than a 6 at very most, more a 5.5 really, the crowd are behind him though and are trying to boost his confidence, practically every successful pass he completed (which was 50% of the time at best) he got some applause

2. It's 'Tomiyasu'

[Marc Overmars]

Does sort of put into perspective the strength of certain leagues across Europe compared to the PL.

I think even Luton might have shown a better account of themselves than PSV.

But overall, nothing much to grumble about with that. Really good performance and some nice goals scored as well. Won’t always be this easy but it’s good to the back in this competition with a new generation of players.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Two things:

1. Havertz was no more than a 6 at very most, more a 5.5 really, the crowd are behind him though and are trying to boost his confidence, practically every successful pass he completed (which was 50% of the time at best) he got some applause

2. It's 'Tomiyasu'


1. I disagree

2. I don’t give a fuck


Hope that helps

[Mac76]

I'm not sure PSV were that bad, they just played into our hands tactically, they have a very open playing style whci leaves them open to teams like us who can be really effective if given any space

PL teams know to park the bus and make it hard for us

But while i realise it was because the game was safe, I liked that Arteta gave some subs a decent amount of time, no doubt partly with the NLD in mind (Saka should have come off on 60 mins though)

It looked like everyone enjoyed themselves except perhaps Ram, who was probably hoping Raya would chuck one in when it got to 4-0

[Mac76]

1. I disagree

2. I don’t give a fuck


Hope that helps

immensely

it proves you're every bit a 12-year-old as much as those others you accuse of acting that age

[HCZ_Reborn]

immensely

it proves you're every bit a 12-year-old as much as those others you accuse of acting that age


No you just tire me out with your nonsense and whilst it’s best to ignore most of your nonsense, when there’s something directed at what I’ve posted I’ll generally respond. Plus I don’t really see what’s juvenile at pointing out that I don’t care that I got the wrong vowel with Tomiyasu’s name as if it’s in anyway relevant…what were you expecting “sorry I’ll do better next time?”

To be honest, between you and Mikel Arteta it seems like a constant battle to win the non-existent prize of which of you proves the “Dunning-Kruger” effect more comprehensively.

[Mac76]

No you just tire me out with your nonsense and whilst it’s best to ignore most of your nonsense, when there’s something directed at what I’ve posted I’ll generally respond. Plus I don’t really see what’s juvenile at pointing out that I don’t care that I got the wrong vowel with Tomiyasu’s name as if it’s in anyway relevant…what were you expecting “sorry I’ll do better next time?”

To be honest, between you and Mikel Arteta it seems like a constant battle to win the non-existent prize of which of you proves the “Dunning-Kruger” effect more comprehensively.

you just can't bear to have your mistakes called out can you?

it's like when you wrote Arsenal v Palace instead of the other way round, you just couldnt admit it was a schoolboy error and tried to pretend football fixtuures hadn't been written that way since the dawn of the game

it's really pathetic - it's ok to admit you got something wrong sometimes you know - try it, you might find it makes you a better person

[HCZ_Reborn]

you just can't bear to have your mistakes called out can you?

it's like when you wrote Arsenal v Palace instead of the other way round, you just couldnt admit it was a schoolboy error and tried to pretend football fixtuures hadn't been written that way since the dawn of the game

it's really pathetic - it's ok to admit you got something wrong sometimes you know - try it, you might find it makes you a better person


No I just don’t see how these things are relevant to anything. You pointing out last week that Hermoso was more bothered by the Rubiales kiss than I believed her to be…that was at least relevant to the argument in question. I got that wrong because I assumed that her being low key and quiet about the incident, meant that the media considered it a bigger deal than she did.


But don’t pretend you don’t get your panties in a twist when I call it out for pedantry….because that’s what it is.

The only other person who remarked on the title of the palace fixture was someone who said it aggravated their OCD (a condition which is defined by irrational obsessiveness).


I did it to you last season, you were going on about a game being played on a Sunday when I stated it was Saturday. But I’m under no illusion that I’m being anything other than a petty minded pedant when I do things like that, and I’m certainly not pretending that I’m “calling someone out” like it’s a moral failing.

[Chippy]

1. I disagree

2. I don’t give a fuck


Hope that helps
:haha:
I have often thought about writing an email like that in the office

[Mac76]

No I just don’t see how these things are relevant to anything. You pointing out last week that Hermoso was more bothered by the Rubiales kiss than I believed her to be…that was at least relevant to the argument in question. I got that wrong because I assumed that her being low key and quiet about the incident, meant that the media considered it a bigger deal than she did.


But don’t pretend you don’t get your panties in a twist when I call it out for pedantry….because that’s what it is.

The only other person who remarked on the title of the palace fixture was someone who said it aggravated their OCD (a condition which is defined by irrational obsessiveness).


I did it to you last season, you were going on about a game being played on a Sunday when I stated it was Saturday. But I’m under no illusion that I’m being anything other than a petty minded pedant when I do things like that, and I’m certainly not pretending that I’m “calling someone out” like it’s a moral failing.

Nice attempt at diversion but it's the fact you get so upset that's so revealing

I had no malevalence in mind when i wrote my post, I was mainly putting forth my own view on Havertz - I'm allowed to do that - that's what messageboards are for - they are not for you to post something and then we all robotically agree with you

[HCZ_Reborn]

:haha:
I have often thought about writing an email like that in the office

Everyone who has ever worked in an office environment has thought about this. I often assuage my disappointment by saying to myself “maybe on your last day there, when you don’t need a reference”

[HCZ_Reborn]

Nice attempt at diversion but it's the fact you get so upset that's so revealing

I had no malevalence in mind when i wrote my post, I was mainly putting forth my own view on Havertz - I'm allowed to do that - that's what messageboards are for - they are not for you to post something and then we all robotically agree with you

I wasn’t upset, I just couldn’t be bothered with a long engagement with you as I stated “you tire me out”. As for your remarks on Havertz I simply put “I disagree” not “you’re wrong”

Telling on yourself there I think

[Mac76]

I wasn’t upset, I just couldn’t be bothered with a long engagement with you as I stated “you tire me out”. As for your remarks on Havertz I simply put “I disagree” not “you’re wrong”

Telling on yourself there I think

Well clearly you disagree, that's why you gave him a 7 - you don't need to repeat yourself - unless ofc you're an obsessive who spends their whole time camped out on a messageboard waiting to pick an argument with someone...

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well clearly you disagree, that's why you gave him a 7 - you don't need to repeat yourself - unless ofc you're an obsessive who spends their whole time camped out on a messageboard waiting to pick an argument with someone...


This is coming across as my last argument didn’t work, I’ll move onto the next one. Have a day off, we both know you accusing me of needing to be right is a projection. To the point where you get upset because I’m not giving you the validation you require over pointing out that I’ve misspelled a Japanese’s players name

Me? I’ve already told you countless times I enjoy arguments but I was happy to say I didn’t give a fuck and leave it there.

[WMUG]

Honestly, you two.

:handbags:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Honestly, you two.

:handbags:


Someone has to keep this flagging forum going

What’s the alternative? I do the job I’m paid to do.

Ridiculous

[Mac76]

This is coming across as my last argument didn’t work, I’ll move onto the next one

That's your most-used trick, ignoring all the howlers that are pointed out to you and shifting the ground - you have that in common with NQ


we both know you accusing me of needing to be right is a projection. To the point where you get upset because I’m not giving you the validation you require over pointing out that I’ve misspelled a Japanese’s players name


talking of projection you love projecting over-emotion onto others when it's you that gets offiensive and blusters when anyone offers an alternative viewpoint on anything

and what's his being Ja[panese got to do with anything - oh i see, it's a funny foreign name so it's ok to get it wrong...?

[Mac76]

Honestly, you two.

:handbags:

:lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's your most-used trick, ignoring all the howlers that are pointed out to you and shifting the ground - you have that in common with NQ



talking of projection you love projecting over-emotion onto others when it's you that gets offiensive and blusters when anyone offers an alternative viewpoint on anything

and what's his being Ja[panese got to do with anything - oh i see, it's a funny foreign name so it's ok to get it wrong...?


It’s ok?

It would be ok if I misspelt the name Smith, but with a Japanese name it’s more likely that I’d misspell it. You know I was only joking when I suggested that you believed misspellings to be a moral failing…you don’t have to try and prove that facetious remark correct.

Plus Howlers? I guess fine if you consider misspelling a name or putting an away fixture in a post title in a way that you’d associate with a home fixture howlers…as opposed to nothing burgers.

I don’t get offended by your viewpoint on Arteta, i just like to point out that it’s based on nothing. And I probably wouldn’t bother doing that if you claimed it as your opinion but you don’t, you make a claim of certainty about it. Like how you did over the frankly ridiculous belief that Rubiales had to be fired otherwise an epidemic of copycat incidents would follow, now as absurd as I think that is it’s your opinion but what grated with me was your telling me I couldn’t understand the point you were making. Despite patiently explaining in myriad ways how I got completely what you were driving at I just didn’t agree.

And I’m not projecting, you genuinely come across to me like you require validation of your beliefs from others….as an arrogant prick myself I do get the need to be right drive but yours is on a whole other level.

To the point where I say with all sincerity, I was actually taken aback at how much you’ve invested in things like the misspelling of a players name. I’m not simply being curt by saying I don’t give a fuck…I don’t…and I can’t for the life of me see how anyone would. For years my brother kept pronouncing Cazorla as Car-Zola…who gives a shit? I know who he’s talking about.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The only time you’ve genuinely annoyed me was the other week when you claimed I wasn’t a proper fan, because despite your claim that you were just joking I know in your sad little brain that’s probably what you believe. Now that’s on me it shouldn’t bother me at all what you think, but I just thought “who the fuck are you to determine that?”

The fact that you mention all the games you go to actually elevates you to some Fan + status, that and the fact on numerous occasions you’ve demonstrated how you can’t conceptualise how someone could ever hold a different opinion from you.

You are without doubt one of the most insecure, petty minded people I’ve ever come across on this forum. At least NQ for all his faults doesn’t actually care if you take his opinion on football seriously. But I suspect with you, that it’s become so much part of your identity that you desperately need to be taken seriously.

Arguing with me is one thing, I’m willing to admit I could start an argument in an empty room. But it’s the petulant whining, because your ego has been affronted.

You’ll have to look somewhere else for validation I’m afraid

[Letters]

Honestly, you two.

:handbags:

:gp:

[Letters]

Someone has to keep this flagging forum going

What’s the alternative? I do the job I’m paid to do.

Ridiculous

Also :gp:

You're doing the Lord's work.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Also :gp:

You're doing the Lord's work.

Following proudly in the footsteps of Charles Keating, Jerry Falwell and Bill Gothard

[mandela8]

I said when the draw was made that the CL, as a competition, is pure shite. So, it was really nice to see Arsenal back to demonstrating why, as they outclassed an opponent who have a fraction of their resources. Just because it's shite doesn't mean I can't enjoy it and that I did. 6 years is a long time and there was a lot of nonsense being spoken about arsenal having to readjust to the CL level. Nonsense. We're still one of the biggest and best clubs in Europe, despite our absence.

Ratings...thought everyone was pretty good. Odegaard at the top. Thought Saliba had a couple of shaky moments on the ball, which he still does quite a lot. White was probably the poorest followed by Saka who done well with his mishit tap in to paper over the cracks of another performance bereft of any quality.

...actually Havertz was the worst player for us but it was a lot better than previous efforts. He actually had a few lovely touches

[Mac76]

It’s ok?

It would be ok if I misspelt the name Smith, but with a Japanese name it’s more likely that I’d misspell it. You know I was only joking when I suggested that you believed misspellings to be a moral failing…you don’t have to try and prove that facetious remark correct.

Plus Howlers? I guess fine if you consider misspelling a name or putting an away fixture in a post title in a way that you’d associate with a home fixture howlers…as opposed to nothing burgers.

I don’t get offended by your viewpoint on Arteta, i just like to point out that it’s based on nothing. And I probably wouldn’t bother doing that if you claimed it as your opinion but you don’t, you make a claim of certainty about it. Like how you did over the frankly ridiculous belief that Rubiales had to be fired otherwise an epidemic of copycat incidents would follow, now as absurd as I think that is it’s your opinion but what grated with me was your telling me I couldn’t understand the point you were making. Despite patiently explaining in myriad ways how I got completely what you were driving at I just didn’t agree.

And I’m not projecting, you genuinely come across to me like you require validation of your beliefs from others….as an arrogant prick myself I do get the need to be right drive but yours is on a whole other level.

To the point where I say with all sincerity, I was actually taken aback at how much you’ve invested in things like the misspelling of a players name. I’m not simply being curt by saying I don’t give a fuck…I don’t…and I can’t for the life of me see how anyone would. For years my brother kept pronouncing Cazorla as Car-Zola…who gives a shit? I know who he’s talking about.

But again you're getting upset by my just pointing it out that ypu misspelt his name, you sometimes call yourself a pedant so i thought you'd want to know, instead you throw your toys out the pram and start hurling insults and cod psyvhological assessments at people

Just calm down dear

[HCZ_Reborn]

But again you're getting upset by my just pointing it out that ypu misspelt his name, you sometimes call yourself a pedant so i thought you'd want to know, instead you throw your toys out the pram and start hurling insults and cod psyvhological assessments at people

Just calm down dear

Saying I don’t give a fuck is not getting upset it was a statement of fact. And your attempt to walk everything back to make it sound light hearted won’t wash with me, you responded to me telling you I didn’t give a fuck with an insult you silly person.

Plus I’m not insulting you, I’m telling you that you are the most insecure and petty minded person I’ve ever engaged with on here. I’m not psychologically assessing you either, I’m literally giving you my view on what you appear to be doing. But this is going to run and run. If someone replied to one of my pedantic comments with “I don’t give a fuck” I’d have dropped it and moved on (because there’s no reason why they should give a fuck)…you took that as me raging at you because I didn’t give you the satisfaction of acknowledging your spelling superiority.

[Dein-machine]

I said when the draw was made that the CL, as a competition, is pure shite. So, it was really nice to see Arsenal back to demonstrating why, as they outclassed an opponent who have a fraction of their resources. Just because it's shite doesn't mean I can't enjoy it and that I did. 6 years is a long time and there was a lot of nonsense being spoken about arsenal having to readjust to the CL level. Nonsense. We're still one of the biggest and best clubs in Europe, despite our absence.

Ratings...thought everyone was pretty good. Odegaard at the top. Thought Saliba had a couple of shaky moments on the ball, which he still does quite a lot. White was probably the poorest followed by Saka who done well with his mishit tap in to paper over the cracks of another performance bereft of any quality.

...actually Havertz was the worst player for us but it was a lot better than previous efforts. He actually had a few lovely touches

Agreed - Havertz looks like a player that will get by in games where we are bullying the opposition but we will be playing with 10 men if he starts against etter teams.
For me the difference was the end result/quality that Trossard & Jesus give us as opposed to Eddie & Martinelli.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Respectfully I don’t think the issue is so much him as a player, it’s where he’s playing he looked fine to me when Arteta actually decided to play him in a more natural role.

Also I thought Vieira was useless in his first season, but I think he’s actually got the makings of a decent player and potential first teamer. And for people saying well Vieira is a youngster, he’s only a year younger than Havertz. I think Havertz (yes I repeat I wouldn’t have signed him) has too much natural talent to just write off. I wouldn’t start him Sunday…but I’d start slowly bedding him in, in the champions league….I think we massively lucked out with this group…so I think there will be games when we can experiment a bit

[The Wengerbabies]

Someone has to keep this flagging forum going

What’s the alternative? I do the job I’m paid to do.

Ridiculous

You only joined this place last year. How did you find this place and what made you join such a dying forum?

[LDG]

Somebody rightly said earlier, it shows you how competitive the PL is, and by that yardstick, shows you how good we were last year.

The squad depth was the nice thing to see last night. Yes, for some it will never be enough, but for me it’s a fucking million miles away from the dark weng

[HCZ_Reborn]

You only joined this place last year. How did you find this place and what made you join such a dying forum?

This account is a year old, I first joined this place in 2011. But took off 2018 and came back four years later

[Mac76]

This account is a year old, I first joined this place in 2011. But took off 2018 and came back four years later

You really shouldn't have on our account

[HCZ_Reborn]

You really shouldn't have on our account

That’s very touching, though I’m sure you’d have found someone else to get upset with for not validating you

[LDG]

I’m amazed that trolling still goes on in corners of the interwebverse.

I can only assume that those who prevail are very very very alone. And 50+, ugly, and wife (also ugly) has left them.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m amazed that trolling still goes on in corners of the interwebverse.

I can only assume that those who prevail are very very very alone. And 50+, ugly, and wife (also ugly) has left them.

Are you listening to this Mac? This prick is calling your ex wife ugly

[GP]

I’m amazed that trolling still goes on in corners of the interwebverse.

I can only assume that those who prevail are very very very alone. And 50+, ugly, and wife (also ugly) has left them.

The fuck did you say about my ugly wife??

[Mac76]

Are you listening to this Mac? This prick is calling your ex wife ugly

He was answering your post if ypu look, and btw here you go again with the insults, proving once again it's you that's upset

[HCZ_Reborn]

He was answering your post if ypu look, and btw here you go again with the insults, proving once again it's you that's upset

Are you that desperate for a win that you’re going to correct an obvious joke?

[Mac76]

Are you that desperate for a win that you’re going to correct an obvious joke?

Ah sorry, you'll have to explain next time you're trying to be amusing, i can't separate it from the 12-year-old-style petulance... ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ah sorry, you'll have to explain next time you're trying to be amusing, i can't separate it from the 12-year-old-style petulance... ;)

It’s nice that you can empathise with the problem I have when engaging with you

Like Trump you’re very good at accusing other people of that of which you yourself are guilty :d

Very similar desperation to be right as well.

[Mac76]

Very similar desperation to be right as well.

Right about what?

if we go back to the beginning of this conversation, you posted your player ratings and I gave my own view (as, again, one does on a message board) about Havertz, plus pointed out in an innocent way that Tomiyasu's name was spelt differently to the way in which you'd typed it

Instead of just accepting that, you had to respond in a brusque and offensive manner and, in doing so, displaying the characteristics of someone who can't stand to be contradicted

[HCZ_Reborn]

Right about what?

if we go back to the beginning of this conversation, you posted your player ratings and I gave my own view (as, again, one does on a message board) about Havertz, plus pointed out in an innocent way that Tomiyasu's name was spelt differently to the way in which you'd typed it

Instead of just accepting that, you had to respond in a brusque and offensive manner and, in doing so, displaying the characteristics of someone who can't stand to be contradicted


No this started because you took exception to my response.

I wouldn’t mind but I tell you all the time that I don’t give a fuck, from you whining about me calling Lavia Labia etc

It’s not that I’m annoyed you’ve pointed it out, I don’t care that you don’t like my silly jokes and I don’t care that I’ve spelt a players name wrong….you read petulance into it because your own response to contradiction is petulance so you assume everyone is like you.

If you just admit you were upset because you wanted acknowledgement from me, this whole tiresome and circular argument can end

[Mac76]

No this started because you took exception to my response.

I wouldn’t mind but I tell you all the time that I don’t give a fuck, from you whining about me calling Lavia Labia etc

It’s not that I’m annoyed you’ve pointed it out, I don’t care that you don’t like my silly jokes and I don’t care that I’ve spelt a players name wrong….you read petulance into it because your own response to contradiction is petulance so you assume everyone is like you.

If you just admit you were upset because you wanted acknowledgement from me, this whole tiresome and circular argument can end

I actually meant the Lavia comment in humour, the trouble with you is you can't read a deadpan remark when you see it

As for the rest, you know perfectly well I'm not remotely upset, it's you that exhibits precisely the behaviour you desperately try to project onto me

If someone says something like "I don't give a fuck if you think differently" that is a strong and emotional response which shows they are angry that someone has contradicted them, i.e. they aren't capable of properly engaging in normal discourse

[HCZ_Reborn]

Would it help if I said I was sorry for not giving you the validation you craved ?

Would it help your self esteem going forward if you point out a typo or some other equally important thing that I immediately boost your ego by telling you you’re right and how clever you are for pointing out.


Basically what can I do to make you feel more secure about yourself?

[Mac76]

Would it help if I said I was sorry for not giving you the validation you craved ?

What would help woudl be if you stopped trying to project your own charecteristics onto other people and faced to them instead :good:

I'll say it again, I simply gave some views in response to your own and you just couldn't cope with someone having a different view from you - that's what this is all about - that and a refusal to admit when you've messed up someone's name or the order of the teams etc...

[HCZ_Reborn]

What would help woudl be if you stopped trying to project your own charecteristics onto other people and faced to them instead :good:

I'll say it again, I simply gave some views in response to your own and you just couldn't cope with someone having a different view from you - that's what this is all about - that and a refusal to admit when you've messed up someone's name or the order of the teams etc...


I beseech you, please read the article I sent you

[Mac76]

I beseech you, please read the article I sent you

And I beseech you, please stop flooding this board with psychological BS and accept that other people have different opinions from you and that it's really ok for that to be the case, they're not attacking you or threatening you - it's alright, really :)

[HCZ_Reborn]

And I beseech you, please stop flooding this board with psychological BS and accept that other people have different opinions from you and that it's really ok for that to be the case, they're not attacking you or threatening you - it's alright, really :)

Are you telling this to me or yourself ?

Seriously I’ve given you every chance to wind your neck in and back down. I’ve told you quite honestly that me saying “I don’t give a fuck” wasn’t me being hostile. But you refused to accept it (and yet you have the gall to tell me I won’t accept when I’m wrong :lol:)

So yeah, if you can’t be a serious grown up I won’t treat you seriously

[Chippy]

Bit quiet on here today.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Bit quiet on here today.

I think two people can only really go round in circles saying the same thing for so long before one or both of them get bored

When you’re dealing with two stubborn, argumentative people it largely comes down to endurance