Arsenal vs Spurs 24.09.2023 KO 14:00

[HCZ_Reborn]

So we’ve done the double over Spurs four times in the premier league and on the last three occasions we failed to get a win over them the following season.


I think the inverted full back system, the insistence of playing Havertz at LCM and our general disposition towards not keeping clean sheets at the Emirates (also haven’t kept a clean sheet in a home NLD since 2017) means that I think this will be a high scoring draw a 2-2


I think they have a nothing to lose, no fear mentality under Postecoglou (please let me know if I’ve spelt this right, it’s so important :lol:) and I still think we are a bit shit…sorry not a better way to put it but we simply aren’t going to be given the space and time that PSV afforded us…in fact I see those lot sitting deep and looking to hit us on the break.

Hopefully I’m as accurate in my predictions as I have been in the previous five matches

[Mac76]

Postecoglou (please let me know if I’ve spelt this right, it’s so important :lol:)

Idito*





*that's a joke in case you once again have a sense of humour failure

[HCZ_Reborn]

Idito*





*that's a joke in case you once again have a sense of humour failure


https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-philosophers-diaries/202109/the-need-be-always-right?amp


Saw this earlier and thought of you


Please don’t get triggered, I’m only trying to help

[Mac76]

why do you read Psychology Today - to work out what's wrong with you? :haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

why do you read Psychology Today - to work out what's wrong with you? :haha:


There’s no possible diagnosis for what I am


I’m a trained counsellor, I read this stuff all the time. Surprised it didn’t register with you the amount of psychological drivers, patterns of relating etc that I’ve attributed to you.


Because I practice non judgement, universal acceptance with my clients. There is just a hint of a possibility that on here it balances out because I have less tolerance for cretinous behaviour (meh we all compartmentalise to a degree)

But man do people really reveal themselves to me unintentionally

[HCZ_Reborn]

Premier league record vs Spurs

24 wins

23 draws

15 defeats


Record at home

18 wins 11 draws 2 defeats


Record away

6 wins 12 draws 13 defeats



15 Red Cards

7 for Arsenal

8 for Spurs


Goals

For : 100

Against: 76

[Marc Overmars]

We’re at home so history tells us that losing this game is quite unlikely. However we’ll need to be at our best because I don’t think Spurs have much to lose to here and I’m sure they’ll sit deep and try to pick us off on the counter, which could easily happen given our high line and how generous we tend to be at home.

2-1.

[Mac76]

0-3 Richarlison hatter

[Letters]

I hope we win tbh

[HCZ_Reborn]

I hope we win tbh

Really? I have to say I’m surprised by that comment :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No Trossard. :rose:

[HCZ_Reborn]

No Trossard…not even on the bench

[Marc Overmars]

FFS. Bit of a blow that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal: Raya; White, Saliba, Gabriel, Zinchenko; Rice, Odegaard, Vieira; Saka, Nketiah, Jesus.
Subs: Ramsdale, Smith Rowe, Kiwior, Cedric, Tomiyasu, Jorginho, Nelson, Elneny, Havertz.

Spuds: Vicario; Porro, Romero, Van de Ven, Udogie; Sarr, Bissouma, Maddison; Kulusevski, Johnson, Son.
Substitutes: Forster, Skipp, Hojbjerg, Richarlison, Royal, Dier, Solomon, Davies, Veliz.

[HCZ_Reborn]

FFS. Bit of a blow that.

Yep I agree, hamstring injury like with Martinelli. On the other hand, could be an opportunity to play a kind of two up front

[Mac76]

FFS. Bit of a blow that.

And then some, was really looking forward to seeing him in this game

[Marc Overmars]

Hopefully Eddie can step up. Not just with goals but his overall play.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Disallowed goal for Son. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Unlucky Jesus.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Udogie booked.

Odegaard too?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Eddie you have to bury that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

ROMERO OG!!!!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Arsenal 1-0 Spurs - Romero OG

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saka did the Maddison darts celebration.

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jesus. WTF.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What a save from Raya!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Son equalises for Spurs

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah bollocks.

[Marc Overmars]

Well if you don’t take your chances that’s what can happen.

[Marc Overmars]

Havertz on for Vieira

Jorginho on for Rice

:rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vieira and Rice off, Havertz and Jorginho on.

[Marc Overmars]

Poor from Saliba they’re giving the ball away but thankfully he got back in time.

[Marc Overmars]

That’s a handball surely?

[Marc Overmars]

Ref checking.

Surely a penalty for us.

[Marc Overmars]

If that doesn’t hit his hand it’s probably going in.

[Marc Overmars]

Penalty it is. :popcorn:

[Marc Overmars]

SAKA!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

PELANTY!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

SAKA!!!

[Marc Overmars]

2-2 Son

Absolutely dreadful.

[Marc Overmars]

Jorginho :haha:

That’s a shocker

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh fucking hell.

[Marc Overmars]

I don’t think this will end as a draw.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Is Rice injured?

[Marc Overmars]

Is Rice injured?

Calf injury apparently.

[Marc Overmars]

So bad from Jorginho. How much time do you want FFS.

[Marc Overmars]

Composure has gone.

[Marc Overmars]

Eddie booked for taking out the keeper.

Bit desperate really.

[Marc Overmars]

Very flat.

Game is there for Spurs if they want it enough.

[Marc Overmars]

Nelson on for Jesus.

Hard to see where a goal is coming from for us. Unless it’s a moment of brilliance.

[Marc Overmars]

Havertz blazes a volley over. :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

10 minutes added on :lol:

:sick:

[Marc Overmars]

FT 2-2.

Dreadful half of football.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

2-2 FT. Eurgh.

[Marc Overmars]

The game was there to be won in the first half but we fucked the chances.

After that Spurs just snuffed us out and of course Rice going off made us as flat as a pancake. There’s no way he makes that mistake Jorginho does. The response to that was pretty disappointing though, it was obvious that we played within ourselves and settled for the point without really turning the screw.

Ah well. We didn’t lose which is the main thing but perhaps shows our squad still leaves a lot to be desired.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Have to say, exactly what I predicted. In fact this result could have been telegraphed. We would have the better of possession and chances but spurs would be more clinical and get a draw

[Letters]

Have to say, exactly what I predicted.
For the first time all season

[Mac76]

Very frustrating, felt it was going our way after we got the pel but Jorg's fuckup changed all that, we fell apart a bit in the second half, dissapointing but very relieved we at least didn't lose it

[HCZ_Reborn]

For the first time all season


Yep, I mean I think my predictions of mid table disaster may be over the top. But I think any hope of us building on last season are going to fall very short as well.

Two issues today, not clinical enough and we then make life more difficult for ourselves with a high line.

What worries me today more than the result is that players are dropping like flies due to soft tissue injuries

[Marc Overmars]

Don’t think we’ll have much choice but to go full second string at Brentford midweek.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Don’t think we’ll have much choice but to go full second string at Brentford midweek.

Who gives a shit?


Could do without having to play in the league cup frankly

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

For the first time all season

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Who gives a shit?


Could do without having to play in the league cup frankly

Not this again.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not this again.

What do you mean?

Im sorry but the league cup is not a worthwhile trophy. I don’t like losing any game but not going to lose sleep over losing a b-cup competition.

[dostoy]

Who gives a shit?


Could do without having to play in the league cup frankly

This is why it was not good news when Spuds were knocked out of it a few weeks ago.

They have nothing but PL games until January. They will be fresh every week.

[Letters]

This is why it was not good news when Spuds were knocked out of it a few weeks ago.

They have nothing but PL games until January. They will be fresh every week.

But as I said at the time when that was said before, it’s not even the same players.
So does it make much difference?

[HCZ_Reborn]

But as I said at the time when that was said before, it’s not even the same players.
So does it make much difference?

What would an Arsenal B team look like, given the injuries are piling up not that much different from the first team

[Letters]

Yep, I mean I think my predictions of mid table disaster may be over the top. But I think any hope of us building on last season are going to fall very short as well.

Two issues today, not clinical enough and we then make life more difficult for ourselves with a high line.
I agree with all that. I think we’ll be Top 4 but it doesn’t look like we’ll be causing City too much trouble. Early days though, if we beat them (:lol: I know, but lets imagine) then things will feel different.

For the record, I said 2-1 to Arsenal before the game, but I did also think 2-2 was a likely alternative.
It’s a better result for them than us but it’s not a disaster

[HCZ_Reborn]

I agree with all that. I think we’ll be Top 4 but it doesn’t look like we’ll be causing City too much trouble. Early days though, if we beat them (:lol: I know, but lets imagine) then things will feel different.

For the record, I said 2-1 to Arsenal before the game, but I did also think 2-2 was a likely alternative.
It’s a better result for them than us but it’s not a disaster

No it’s not a disaster but it is a profound disappointment. I think we dominated the game and had the better chances but we were very wasteful, more than one player wasn’t at the races today.

[Letters]

No it’s not a disaster but it is a profound disappointment. I think we dominated the game and had the better chances but we were very wasteful, more than one player wasn’t at the races today.
The lack of a clinical striker is going to be a recurring theme this season.
That Jesus chance :doh:. Great work to nick the ball but ffs hit the target :doh:.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The lack of a clinical striker is going to be a recurring theme this season.
That Jesus chance :doh:. Great work to nick the ball but ffs hit the target :doh:.

I felt he had time to take a touch but he lashed at it. It’s a mental thing a lot of the time with him

[Mac76]

:haha:

:gp:

[Mac76]

I felt he had time to take a touch but he lashed at it. It’s a mental thing a lot of the time with him

Yeah it looked pretty mental to me

[dostoy]

But as I said at the time when that was said before, it’s not even the same players.
So does it make much difference?

Yes it does make a difference.

The further they got into it, the more likely they would have to play some of their first team players.

It also gives them something else to focus on and not just the PL. I would not want them to win it just get to the quarter finals or maybe the semi finals and then lose.

I hope they do not go out of the FA cup in the 3rd round either.

I want them in the Thursday night crap next season or worse but I'm sure they will be in Europe next season.

I DON'T want them in the CL next season.

[Letters]

.
I DON'T want them in the CL next season.

Controversial!

[Marc Overmars]

If that goes in we probably win the game with ease and there’s nothing much to really talk about. Those are the margins and while I love Jesus he just isn’t a killer in front of goal.

We wilted without Rice and conceding so quickly after scoring the penalty pretty much destroyed any confidence and composure we might have had to win the game. If Spurs had really turned the screw I’m sure we would be talking about a defeat right now but thankfully they were probably too afraid to try and win it at the risk of losing like we were.

[Mac76]

If that goes in we probably win the game with ease and there’s nothing much to really talk about. Those are the margins and while I love Jesus he just isn’t a killer in front of goal.

We wilted without Rice and conceding so quickly after scoring the penalty pretty much destroyed any confidence and composure we might have had to win the game. If Spurs had really turned the screw I’m sure we would be talking about a defeat right now but thankfully they were probably too afraid to try and win it at the risk of losing like we were.

Got to say they were on us from start to finish, the Aussie has them well drilled, while Raya did some good things, not least that save in the first half, even he got caught and ended up playing the ball out a few times

I atill think the big mistake ia not keeping Xhaka and telling him to break Son's legs in the NLD ;)

[Mac76]

Alao trying to win any game with Havertz involved is an uphill struggle, what a heap of shit, except funnily enough in defence, maybe we should try to make him a CB

[Marc Overmars]

Alao trying to win any game with Havertz involved is an uphill struggle, what a heap of shit, except funnily enough in defence, maybe we should try to make him a CB

Havertz was rubbish again but to be fair to him the entire second half was garbage and no one made any kind of impression on the game. Trossard was a big miss, would have given their defence a lot more to think about than the guys who finished the game.

[LDG]

Passing was shocking today, overhit, underhit….nobody on a wavelength. Really strange.

On form we smash that lot to pieces. Draw which felt like a loss.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Saka aside no one was really at the races, yet at the same time I don’t get keeping on him on the pitch when he could barely break into a stride. With all the soft tissue injuries that are piling up, it’s frankly miraculous that he’s as robust as he is



Nketiah ? Continuation of last week just not on the wavelength of others around him

[Mac76]

Havertz was rubbish again but to be fair to him the entire second half was garbage and no one made any kind of impression on the game. Trossard was a big miss, would have given their defence a lot more to think about than the guys who finished the game.

yes, losing Trossard was a disaster, I'd put decent money on our winning it with him on the pitch

[mandela8]

Load of shite. Feels like a loss.

Controlled the first half but didn't stamp on their neck and inevitably paid the price. Jesus profligacy is a huge problem and individual errors like Saka for the first and Jorginho for the second are far, far too common with this team.

Rice and Viera going off and lack of quality to replace them was clearly an issue. If Rice was injured, fair enough, but taking Viera off because, I assume, he lacks the physicality to play without Rice/with Jorginho is a bit of a joke. If that was the issue then why the fuck, with all their resources, have they not put 10lbs on him over the summer?

Pissed off with that result.

[Mac76]

Load of shite. Feels like a loss.

Controlled the first half but didn't stamp on their neck and inevitably paid the price. Jesus profligacy is a huge problem and individual errors like Saka for the first and Jorginho for the second are far, far too common with this team.

Rice and Viera going off and lack of quality to replace them was clearly an issue. If Rice was injured, fair enough, but taking Viera off because, I assume, he lacks the physicality to play without Rice/with Jorginho is a bit of a joke. If that was the issue then why the fuck, with all their resources, have they not put 10lbs on him over the summer?

Pissed off with that result.

On Vieira, Arteta said it was a 'tactical reason' but that doesn't mean it was to do with physicality, I think that's a cliche which may have been slightly true at the start but isn't now - he took a few knocks in the first half especially, but I think that's the usual thing of the opposition trying to kick a talented player out of the game - also I think at least once it was that Arteta instruction for a player to stay down to allow us to get into shape

[HCZ_Reborn]

I dunno I still think he’s not physical enough for the premier league, he’s also got a weird centre of gravity for someone so short, it’s clearly better to play him in that position than Havertz but I think in a high intensity game like that he comes up short…though replacing him with Havertz was hardly a master stroke.

Don’t get me wrong much better than he was last season but still lacking

[Mac76]

If people are looking for scapegoats then there are quite a few one could choose ahead of Vieira, starting with Jorg for that horrendous fuckup, then Jesus for a bad miss which could have made it 2-0, then as I say Havertz for being largely (though I admit not wholly) useless, also Zin did his best to make it easier for Spuds on many occasions as always

but no-one walked away with huge credit we were very scrappy, in the second half especially, as has already been said

[HCZ_Reborn]

If people are looking for scapegoats then there are quite a few one could choose ahead of Vieira, starting with Jorg for that horrendous fuckup, then Jesus for a bad miss which could have made it 2-0, then as I say Havertz for being largely (though I admit not wholly) useless, also Zin did his best to make it easier for Spuds on many occasions as always

but no-one walked away with huge credit we were very scrappy, in the second half especially, as has already been said

No I don’t think there is one player singularly responsible for yesterday and no Vieira was not the worst player on the pitch

Nor would I say that if Vieira was more ripped we would have got the win. I just think he looked a bit out of his depth and easy to bully.

But Collectively the performance wasn’t there.

[Mac76]

Jenas :haha:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66914216

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fabrizio Romano claiming that we might have been tired after our midweek game, fuck right off with that…that game was a stroll in the park. The problem is that we weren’t able to up our intensity levels in order to play against a much stronger opponent

[Marc Overmars]

I also think we might have been a little complacent. That was the first derby in a while that we entered where the majority would have predicted a comfortable Arsenal win.

[mandela8]

If people are looking for scapegoats then there are quite a few one could choose ahead of Vieira, starting with Jorg for that horrendous fuckup, then Jesus for a bad miss which could have made it 2-0, then as I say Havertz for being largely (though I admit not wholly) useless, also Zin did his best to make it easier for Spuds on many occasions as always

but no-one walked away with huge credit we were very scrappy, in the second half especially, as has already been said

Nah, I don't think anyone in their right mind is scapegoating Viera when, as mentioned, there are other more appropriate players.

We were clearly less fluid when he came off. I'm purely speculating that he was withdrawn because Arteta thought a CM of him and Jorginho lacks strength/athleticism.

Jorginho doesn't move the ball forward enough or quickly enough and Havertz barely moves the ball at all. Those changes predictably lost us control of the midfield and how this seems painfully obvious to everyone except Arteta is genuinely concerning. Like Liverpool and West Ham (there are more I just can't remember offhand) last season and Fulham this season the points dropped are firmly Arteta's fault for more horrific in game management.

[Letters]

I also think we might have been a little complacent. That was the first derby in a while that we entered where the majority would have predicted a comfortable Arsenal win.

I thought we'd most likely win, but not sure about comfortable. We were certainly a lot better than them last season but they've unbeaten so far too - sure, they've played games they "should" be getting results in. But the Spursy is strong with those ones, they usually mess up some of those and they haven't so far. I didn't expect it to be comfortable.