Geordie Arabia vs Arsenal 04.11.2023 - KO 17:30

[HCZ_Reborn]

Another one I’m not looking forward to, especially with players dropping like flies again. Not that he’d be particularly pivotal in this game but Smith Rowe is out for a month (we really need to sell him ASAP)


Game that usually isn’t high scoring, I do worry about our ability to deal with them without Partey playing. Jorginho just can’t cope with pressing at all. Tomiyasu needs to play over Zinchenko, Ramsdale over Raya (although he was awful against the Ammers) and I think Havertz instead of Nketiah…it’s all very well being able to score a hat-trick against Sheffield United but then if in the next game you’ll disappear again it shows you’re just a player that can score lots against rubbish teams. Plus Havertz can hold up the ball well



My team for tomorrow


Ramsdale

White, Saliba, Gabriel, Tomiyasu

Jorginho, Rice

Odegaard

Saka, Havertz, Martinelli

[Mac76]

i said in the summer we should have sold both ESR and Partey, both crocked and we could have got decent money for them - £70-£80m collectively

Playing Havertz is pointless against their defence he just won't get the ball

I'd play Trossard instead and tell him to interchange with Martinelli

but still 3-0 Wilson hatter

[HCZ_Reborn]

i said in the summer we should have sold both ESR and Partey, both crocked and we could have got decent money for them - £70-£80m collectively

Playing Havertz is pointless against their defence he just won't get the ball

I'd play Trossard instead and tell him to interchange with Martinelli

but still 3-0 Wilson hatter


I don’t think their defence is even that good. It’s ok but it’s also a defence that can be taken apart when exposed to pace. They won’t sit back against us and I think it’s a good idea that can hold up the ball and bring in Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard.

I think both Partey and Smith Rowe will go next summer, and whilst we need to replace one I don’t necessarily think we need to replace both.

Smith Rowe may go in January if we decide to bring someone else in as I don’t think we can afford to bring anyone else in without player sales

[Mac76]

I don’t think their defence is even that good. It’s ok but it’s also a defence that can be taken apart when exposed to pace. They won’t sit back against us and I think it’s a good idea that can hold up the ball and bring in Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard.

I think both Partey and Smith Rowe will go next summer, and whilst we need to replace one I don’t necessarily think we need to replace both.

Smith Rowe may go in January if we decide to bring someone else in as I don’t think we can afford to bring anyone else in without player sales

The problem is we're bad enough at selling players who aren't constantly injured, which is why we needed to pre-empt the inevitable last summer, we'll get nothing for either of them now

[HCZ_Reborn]

The problem is we're bad enough at selling players who aren't constantly injured, which is why we needed to pre-empt the inevitable last summer, we'll get nothing for either of them now

As I’ve said I think keeping Partey made sense given the amount it would cost us to get a player of equivalent ability, even to the point where having a player of his ability that is going to be injured for half the season is better than being without him. We rejected tentative bids in and around the 30 million pound mark for Partey, that’s after a season where he was without doubt at his best…absolutely brilliant for most of the season. Now I suspect the reason it didn’t go any higher was probably because it’s already well known that he is a player that’s hard to keep fit.

If I thought for example we’d have got the money we needed to bring in someone like Tchoumeni or someone equivalent it would have been mystifying, but that simply wasn’t the case.

Let’s be fair, the biggest question mark of the summer was the amount we spent on Havertz which was a gamble at the very best. Ultimately the only club that had real success with selling off its players was Chelsea. Mahrez, City got 30 million got and Gundogan was a free transfer.

I don’t know how Chelsea achieve it, but I certainly don’t advise adopting their transfer strategy put it that way.


I think ultimately whilst I don’t think we do enough to get money back from our player sales, the wider context of this is that one outside of England most clubs are not especially affluent and second the real drain on clubs resources is less the transfer fees and more the wages.

There’s also the fact that a lot of clubs are under the same ffp constraints as us and that’s why you’ll find that a lot of our loan exits will have obligation to buy outright clauses next year - for players like Tavares etc

[Mac76]

As I’ve said I think keeping Partey made sense given the amount it would cost us to get a player of equivalent ability, even to the point where having a player of his ability that is going to be injured for half the season is better than being without him.

This is where i just don't agree, while no-one stays fit all the time if you can't sufficiently rely on having a player when you need them they're just taking up a space which somone fitter could be filling

£30m would be fine with me tbh to get someone in who would actually turn up when you need them

while i think you underestimate Rice's attacking qualities I do agree Partey's long range passes are missed but it's the way it is, you buy someone fitter who can do the same or you compensate in how you recruit elsewhere and set up the team - what you don't do is bet the farm on a lame horse like Partey

[Marc Overmars]

I think we might be taken apart in this, got a nasty feeling about it.

Then again it was only in May that we came here and delivered one of the most mature performances of the season. So who knows.

[Letters]

They're a funny side, Newcastle. They've had some fantastic results and some really poor ones. So it's entirely possible they could beat us, but just as possible we could do what we did last year and roll them over. Hard to call this one but I am worried about this one.

[HCZ_Reborn]

This is where i just don't agree, while no-one stays fit all the time if you can't sufficiently rely on having a player when you need them they're just taking up a space which somone fitter could be filling

£30m would be fine with me tbh to get someone in who would actually turn up when you need them

while i think you underestimate Rice's attacking qualities I do agree Partey's long range passes are missed but it's the way it is, you buy someone fitter who can do the same or you compensate in how you recruit elsewhere and set up the team - what you don't do is bet the farm on a lame horse like Partey


The problem is, it cost Chelsea for instance 60 million to sign Romeo Lavia…and even if he was considered good enough to get in their first team he’s been injured. We paid 20 million for Lokonga and I have to say that’s the kind of risk you take in this market. It’s the difference between wanting to buy someone and wanting to sell them.

To get someone in even half as good as Partey would have cost twice the money we’d have got for him.

[HCZ_Reborn]

They're a funny side, Newcastle. They've had some fantastic results and some really poor ones. So it's entirely possible they could beat us, but just as possible we could do what we did last year and roll them over. Hard to call this one but I am worried about this one.

The only certainty with this fixture is that it probably won’t be a high scoring affair (even when they wiped the floor with us and ended our champions league qualifying hopes in 2022 it was only 2-0). They don’t score against us often, in fact they haven’t scored a goal at the Emirates since 2014 (I was at that game, that’s how long ago it was :lol:) and even at St James Park they’ve scored something like three goals in the last five games against us.

They will come at us, so it’s important to win the 50/50s take the early sting out of the game and try to score first. We could get blown away like mid week but if we score first…I think it sets us up nicely

[Letters]

The only certainty with this fixture is that it probably won’t be a high scoring affair
Given your predictions so far this season, will put my money on a 4-4 draw ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Given your predictions so far this season, will put my money on a 4-4 draw ;)

You’re only saying that to be spiteful

That and of course there was a 4-4 draw in this fixture. If we come from 4 nil down, I might take it

[Mac76]

The only certainty with this fixture is that it probably won’t be a high scoring affair

The fact it's you predicting that really has me worried now

[HCZ_Reborn]

The fact it's you predicting that really has me worried now

I haven’t actually made a prediction, I made a comment based on what’s happened in the past

I gave up making explicit predictions…though in fairness I should have continued because it often meant results often far exceeded what I expected in terms of a positive outcome

That and I expected this absolute Turner prize winning mangled nonsense that was a starting lineup for the first three games would be something Arteta would stick dogmatically to and form part of a hideous death spiral. Injuries no doubt have forced him to adapt, but that he’s been prepared to change things full stop is something of a positive.

[The Wengerbabies]

I have a bad feeling about this.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-GmkKnXoAAbK0t?format=jpg&name=large

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Newcastle: Pope, Trippier, Schar, Lascelles, Burn, Longstaff, Joelinton, Guimaraes, Gordon, Almiron, Wilson.
Subs: Dubravka, Dummett, Ritchie, Krafth, Hall, Livramento, Murphy, Willock, Miley.

Arsenal: Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Tomiyasu, Rice, Jorginho, Havertz, Saka, Martinelli, Nketiah.
Subs: Ramsdale, Hein, Kiwior, Cedric, Trossard, Vieira, Nelson, Elneny, Zinchenko.

[Marc Overmars]

Odegaard unfit. :rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Gary Neville commentating. :sick:

[WMUG]

Jesus this is some bad trumpet playing :lol:

[Mac76]

Tomi back for the big game :bow:

Zin :wave:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Tomi back for the big game :bow:

Zin :wave:

Yep I personally don’t rate either that highly but Tomi has shown he deserves his starting place with an excellent performance against Sevilla. My only concern with him is that he’s naturally right footed, that and he’s already seen red this season (though unfairly). But definitely would have picked him over Zinchenko for this game

[HCZ_Reborn]

Game going according to script so far with Newcastle on front foot with high pressing, but we look defensively solid early on

[Mac76]

Havertz :rolleyes:

[Mac76]

Terrible Arsenal Corner Routine #1,484

[Mac76]

Raya kicks it long :faint:

[WMUG]

Saka has to hit that.

Really good game so far.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Been decent for the last 10.

[Mac76]

we're seeing a fair bit of the ball but looking a bit ineffectual in front of goal so far

[Marc Overmars]

Done well so far and prevented Newcastle’s usual 100 mph start.

A bit sleepy in the final third but nothing new there.

[Marc Overmars]

Havertz booked for a stupid challenge.

No need.

[WMUG]

Havertz you plonker.

He's gonna go for that.

[WMUG]

Fuck me he's got away with it.

I'd be fuming if that was the other way round.

Lucky, lucky boy.

[Marc Overmars]

3 Newcastle players booked for protesting against the challenge. :lol:

[Mac76]

I think a yellow was right there but a really stupid tackle

[Mac76]

F**k off Neville

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Havertz. :bow:

Found his role finally.

[WMUG]

I think a yellow was right there but a really stupid tackle

What's saved him is that it was his trailling leg that made contact, not his leading leg.

You could argue that given the speed he was travelling, even that's enough to give a red.

Moronic tackle.

[Mac76]

Saliba :bow:

[Mac76]

What's saved him is that it was his trailling leg that made contact, not his leading leg.

You could argue that given the speed he was travelling, even that's enough to give a red.

Moronic tackle.

moronic certainly, it wasn't studs up though, it was as they said reckless not dangerous

[Mac76]

Martinelli - lame shot

[Marc Overmars]

Bruno smashed Jorginho in the head for some reason.

[Mac76]

Bruno smashed Jorginho in the head for some reason.

a red all day

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saliba. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-0 HT.

[Marc Overmars]

Mostly a composed performance until Havertz took the game into the mud.

We definitely need to string something together in the final third, it’s been pretty weak so far.

Saliba is the best player on the pitch.

[Mac76]

decent first half though didn't make enough of our chances to work their keeper, stupid tackle by Havertz but it seems to hvae done the barcodes more harm than us :lol:

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Saliba showing he is the only young player in this club that could play in the invincible squad.

An outstanding performance.

As for the rest of the team, nothing special from anyone of them. We really miss Partey like crazy.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

decent first half though didn't make enough of our chances to work their keeper, stupid tackle by Havertz but it seems to hvae done the barcodes more harm than us :lol:

A stupid tackle from a weak player. But it only deserved a yellow card.

One thing I know for sure is if our players had behaved like Newcastle players are behaving today, we'd have had 2 red cards for sure.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Havertz getting a 3 for 1 deal. Good for him.

About time we got a bargain out of him for the £65 million.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Martinelli - lame shot

It was quite a pathetic attempt and he's fond of doing that especially when he has all the time in the world to control himself.

Honestly, that shot really pissed me off, I mean even a defender would do better.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wasn’t a red, but I’ve seen them given as reds. Brainless idiot…in that area of the pitch there’s just no need for it

[Mac76]

Saliba showing he is the only young player in this club that could play in the invincible squad.

An outstanding performance.

As for the rest of the team, nothing special from anyone of them. We really miss Partey like crazy.

no we're getting the ball forward and defending fine, I think we're missing Jesus a whole lot more, Eddie's back to being normal Eddie and expecting him and Havertz to successfuly combine to get a goal is pretty optimistic - happy to be proved wrong ofc

At least Havertz is putting himself about a bit but he now has to be careful - I'd be looking at swapping him out for Leo or maybe Vieira (though this game is maybe a bit physical for him), if not at HT then maybe 20 mins in

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Burn is injured.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Can't believe Arteta has left Havertz on.

Maybe he really wants him to get a red so he doesn't have to make the "tortuous" decision not to select him in the next game.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Havertz has decided to go just kicking everyone.

[Mac76]

Havertz has decided to go just kicking everyone.

If I'm Newcastle I'm looking to get try and play through him every time, to tempt him into the fatal tackle

[Marc Overmars]

Not sure how we score a goal here.

Defensively we look great but just so limited at the other end.

[Mac76]

Not sure how we score a goal here.

Defensively we look great but just so limited at the other end.

yeah, once we get near their pelanty area we just have no idea

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bit chaotic there.

[Mac76]

We're lucky Isak's out tbh

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Not sure how we score a goal here.

Defensively we look great but just so limited at the other end.

Trossard probably.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Havertz. :haha:

[Mac76]

we slow right down when we get into the final third and they just close ranks

[Mac76]

Agent Willock coming on

[Marc Overmars]

Would get Trossard on for Saka. He’s been anonymous.

[Marc Overmars]

1-0 Gordon :rolleyes:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wilson off, Willock on.

Almiron off, Murphy on.

[Marc Overmars]

Looked like the ball went out?

[Marc Overmars]

Shite from Raya on that cross too.

[Mac76]

Looked like the ball went out?

I think it was maybe just in, certainly doesn't look 'clear and obvious'

they're checking a foul now...

[Marc Overmars]

Goal given :rolleyes:

[Mac76]

I think that was a foul actually

[HCZ_Reborn]

Think that’s us done in this game, we try and chase it we will get smashed on the counter

[Marc Overmars]

There was little chance of winning this with how we were playing but now there’s no chance.

Hopefully we can pub a draw somehow.

[Mac76]

Think that’s us done in this game, we try and chase it we will get smashed on the counter

we need to get a point at least, I say we swap Trossard for Havertz, it will give us a better attacking option but not weaken us defensively

[Mac76]

I def think it was a foul on Gabriel, if he wasn't falling over having been pushed he could maybe have blocked the shot with his foot

[Marc Overmars]

Get Trossard on FFS.

[Marc Overmars]

Zinchenko on, White off

[Mac76]

Zin coming on :ilt:

[Mac76]

Trossard is finally coming on

[Marc Overmars]

Eddie and Jorginho off

Trossard and Vieira on

[Mac76]

stupid bloody short corner

[Marc Overmars]

I think we could be here for another 90mins and not be any closer to creating a chance let alone scoring.

[Mac76]

foul throw by Vieira :doh:

[Mac76]

terrible corners again - set piece coach :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

FT 1-0

Absolutely dire game of football.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

1-0 FT.

November curse returns. :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Also completely laughable that we had a million corners at the end and none cleared the near post.

[Mac76]

not good - if Arteta doesn't now know that we need more options up front he never will

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yep very annoying but can’t complain too much, the award of the goal was not a clear and obvious error…seen fouls given, seen them not. Offside? Ball out of play?. I’d be fuming if that goal was scrubbed off for us.

Created fuck all which is the most concerning thing. Their defence is well organised but it lacks for pace and we simply didn’t do enough to stretch it.

[Marc Overmars]

Not going to fault the effort. It was a scrappy and physical match that we held our own in but the stodgy and disjointed performance from the forwards was never going to win us the game.

Oh well. At least it’s Burnley next weekend.

[mandela8]

This was the only real chance we had and Sakashit actually turned back towards his own goal here and lost the ball. Genuinely no idea what the boy is doing in the team. A complete and utter liability. Where chances go to die.

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[HCZ_Reborn]

Getting a bit of tired of online people aping Arteta and crying about how the PGMOL fucked us over. You can argue we didn’t deserve to lose that game, but we sure as fuck didn’t deserve to win it. Arteta bleating on about how only one team was trying to win it, well maybe then that reflects poorly on you for spending 65million on Kai Fucking Havertz.

Maybe examine why you keep persisting with a terrible goalkeeper like Raya, who once again misjudged a cross which led to the goal in the first place.

Micro analysing the game won’t do us any good, the referee was arguably too lenient with both sets of players.

Arteta’s rant was Mourinho esque and embarrassing frankly

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Getting a bit of tired of online people aping Arteta and crying about how the PGMOL fucked us over. You can argue we didn’t deserve to lose that game, but we sure as fuck didn’t deserve to win it. Arteta bleating on about how only one team was trying to win it, well maybe then that reflects poorly on you for spending 65million on Kai Fucking Havertz.

Maybe examine why you keep persisting with a terrible goalkeeper like Raya, who once again misjudged a cross which led to the goal in the first place.

Micro analysing the game won’t do us any good, the referee was arguably too lenient with both sets of players.

Arteta’s rant was Mourinho esque and embarrassing frankly

:gp: Couldn't agree more with this.

Am I correct to say all the games we've dropped points in this season we won last year?

Mikel Arteta, a manager who seems to get a sick twisted rush from actively weakening his side....Havertz, Balogun, Tierney and now Raya.....well done maestro!!!

[Marc Overmars]

Havertz was appalling again and I have no idea why he lasted the 90. I’ve tried to get on board with him but he’s so bloody slow and ineffective. I’d much rather see Vieira starting and I’m not even a fan of his either but Havertz feels like we’re flogging a dead horse.

What a monumental waste of money.

[Mac76]

Getting a bit of tired of online people aping Arteta and crying about how the PGMOL fucked us over. You can argue we didn’t deserve to lose that game, but we sure as fuck didn’t deserve to win it. Arteta bleating on about how only one team was trying to win it, well maybe then that reflects poorly on you for spending 65million on Kai Fucking Havertz.

Maybe examine why you keep persisting with a terrible goalkeeper like Raya, who once again misjudged a cross which led to the goal in the first place.

Micro analysing the game won’t do us any good, the referee was arguably too lenient with both sets of players.

Arteta’s rant was Mourinho esque and embarrassing frankly

I haven't seen the interview but I've no doubt you're right

and you, MO and everyone else are right about Havertz - while you could at least see he was on the pitch yesterday, which is more than could be said for most of his other 'appearances' he's mid-table Championship standard at best - a Xhaka-type liability - Arteta seems obsessed with players who actually make us worse - Zin, Raya, Havertz, plus persisting with someone like Eddie who's not good enough - he is being paid millions every year to make terrible mistakes like this

It's so glaring that we need a striker that even Gary Neville noticed it in between all his anti-Arsenal bleating

[HCZ_Reborn]

:gp: Couldn't agree more with this.

Am I correct to say all the games we've dropped points in this season we won last year?

Mikel Arteta, a manager who seems to get a sick twisted rush from actively weakening his side....Havertz, Balogun, Tierney and now Raya.....well done maestro!!!

Swings and Roundabouts as we also beat Everton and City when we didn’t last year

To be honest in terms of overall results, I’m not that bothered by 24 points from 11 games. Yeah I’m disappointed with Fulham and Spurs as at home we should be winning those games. But Newcastle is a tough fixture, and I think the problem was being unable to break down the Newcastle defence which I always attribute to deficiencies further down the field, you can have the best striker in the world and if you’re up against a team that defends so deep every cross, every through ball is cut out you then rely on individual brilliance. We had the chance to counter attack but not the set up that would allow for it, and ultimately we slowed down to a snail’s pace when we got into their final third. That and a completely ineffective corner routine.

Don’t get me wrong we absolutely need a striker….but we also need a midfielder that important box to box midfielder

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

It must be bad when even the BBC is echoing what we are saying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67324261.amp

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah I don’t think we’re getting much sympathy here and his rant and the clubs statement of support has been laughed out of town. The VAR calls were very marginal, it wasn’t the same as Spuds/Liverpool mess.

I’m more inclined to look at how utterly ineffective we were up front. At no point did we look likely to win the game.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It must be bad when even the BBC is echoing what we are saying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67324261.amp


Yeah I noticed that. Whilst I mostly agree with McNulty, can’t help but feel they wouldn’t do this to Pep or Klopp.

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah I noticed that. Whilst I mostly agree with McNulty, can’t help but feel they wouldn’t do this to Pep or Klopp.

Probably not but it’s much easier to gain credence by going for a rookie who’s done precious little, rather than elite coaches who’ve won it all.

[Letters]

Yeah I don’t think we’re getting much sympathy here and his rant and the clubs statement of support has been laughed out of town. The VAR calls were very marginal, it wasn’t the same as Spuds/Liverpool mess.
To be fair, everyone laughed in Klopp’s stupid face when he was asking for a replay after that mess.


I’m more inclined to look at how utterly ineffective we were up front. At no point did we look likely to win the game.
Agreed, as that is something which is in Arteta’s control. So that’s where he should be focusing. But that can be true and it can also be true that Arteta’s right about the VAR mess. I agree with Arteta. But I also agree he should, once he’s calmed down, be focusing on our failings. We might have been robbed yesterday but it was of one point, not 3.

[The Wengerbabies]

What a crock of shit that was. I only got back into football this last year but has VAR always been this bad, I thought it was supposed to eliminate refereeing errors.

We didn't deserve to win, so it only really cost us one point, but that ball was clearly out, not to mention the subsequent foul, the handball and the offside.

[Mac76]

It must be bad when even the BBC is echoing what we are saying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67324261.amp

that article is spot on

[Mac76]

What a crock of shit that was. I only got back into football this last year but has VAR always been this bad, I thought it was supposed to eliminate refereeing errors.

We didn't deserve to win, so it only really cost us one point, but that ball was clearly out, not to mention the subsequent foul, the handball and the offside.

The foul is the one that is clearest for me, it's completely blatant

I'm not sure the ball was out tbh, I could be wrong but i think if you were stadnding right over that it would just slightly be on the line - I can't even see the handball but on the offside, if what people are saying about the rules is correct then yes it looks offside

[HCZ_Reborn]

The foul is the one that is clearest for me, it's completely blatant

I'm not sure the ball was out tbh, I could be wrong but i think if you were stadnding right over that it would just slightly be on the line - I can't even see the handball but on the offside, if what people are saying about the rules is correct then yes it looks offside


Going by the rules of the game (which I don’t agree with) the ball was probably still in play because the whole diameter of the ball was casting a shadow on the line rather than the sensible way of determining it that there is grass between the white line and where the bottom of the ball is. You know what might help them is to use the same sensors that is there for goal line technology. Hawkeye or some shit

The Joelinton action of having two arms on the back of Gabriel looks like a foul, but for one reason or another they’ve determined that it can’t be because the action didn’t do anything to impede Gabriel’s movement, kind of embarassing really that it’s deemed not a foul because you in fact have the upper body strength of a child.


Offside? You know what fuck knows.


I like to believe I’m consistent of the view of giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team therefore I’m not foaming at the mouth about this decision, however I’m annoyed at goals that have been chalked off for us for far more finicky reasons.

Gabriel Martinelli has had three goals that probably should have stood, Brighton at home in 2022, Man United away in 2022 and Everton away in September

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13001905/ref-watch-it-was-a-push-should-newcastles-winner-against-arsenal-have-stood

I think Dermot Gallagher is right here, there just isn’t anything conclusive. My question though remains, is that rationale being applied consistently across the board because I don’t think it is

[Letters]

I don't really blame Arteta for this - all managers deflect from their or their team's failings - but this does all rather seem like an attempt to distract people from the fact we had 1 shot on target all game.
That might be a better problem to try and address, Mikel, as it's in your control.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't really blame Arteta for this - all managers deflect from their or their team's failings - but this does all rather seem like an attempt to distract people from the fact we had 1 shot on target all game.
That might be a better problem to try and address, Mikel, as it's in your control.


Arteta chose, I think quite deliberately to use this talking point to distract from our own shortcomings. I think his anger over the decision is totally manufactured. It then puts the club in a position of whether or not to back his position, and if it doesn’t back his position it creates a rift which puts his position under scrutiny (which they are evidently - rightly or wrongly not prepared to do)

Could it benefit us more in the future if officials generally fear a backlash from decisions, possibly who knows.

[The Wengerbabies]

Going by the rules of the game (which I don’t agree with) the ball was probably still in play because the whole diameter of the ball was casting a shadow on the line rather than the sensible way of determining it that there is grass between the white line and where the bottom of the ball is.

Okay fine the tiniest nanometre of the balls diameter may have hung over the line, why was this one for United disallowed then?

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/article30960163.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Hojlund-goal-disallowed-2JPG.jpg

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/article30960164.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Hojlund-goal-disallowedJPG.jpg

It's a total lack of consistency.

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It's a total lack of consistency.

Well yeah I agree

[Mac76]

Gabriel Martinelli has had three goals that probably should have stood, Brighton at home in 2022, Man United away in 2022 and Everton away in September

The PL actually admitted the Man U goal should have stood

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/fifa-world-cup/pl-admits-six-wrong-var-calls-for-season-reports-martinelli-goal-at-man-utd-one/ar-AA15xf5x