Brentford vs Arsenal | Nov 25 1730

[The Wengerbabies]

Ramsdale will be back for this thank god.

[Marc Overmars]

Definitely need to win this with City and Liverpool squaring off.

Jesus is back apparently.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Definitely need to win this with City and Liverpool squaring off.

Jesus is back apparently.

And I wouldn’t start him, I’d continue playing Trossard…has probably been overall our best player the last couple of games.

[Mac76]

3-0 Mbeumo hatter

[Marc Overmars]

Chance to go top. Let’s not balls this up please.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jorginho dropped and Trossard seemingly playing alongside Odegaard


Still bit concerned about how well Rice can get the ball forward quickly enough but will see how it goes.

[HCZ_Reborn]

White is on the bench which is good, means hopefully he will be back in the starting line up soon.

[Mac76]

Still bit concerned about how well Rice can get the ball forward quickly enough but will see how it goes.

Change the record, seriously :)

[Mac76]

Decent lineup, good to see Havertz and Eddie confined to the bench, pity we have to play Zin but apart from that looks good

[McNamara That Ghost...]

All out attack. :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Change the record ffs

I’ll change the record when we have a box to box player with pace who can carry the ball forward from deep

But I won’t hold my breath so you shouldn’t hold yours (actually scratch that….go right ahead)

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Brentford: Flekken, Pinnock, Norgaard, Wissa, Ghoddos, Onyeka, Mee, Mbeumo, Ajer, Janelt, Yarmoliuk.
Subs: Strakosha, Goode, Maupay, Zanka, Lewis-Potter, Peart-Harris, Baptiste, Olakigbe, Brierley.

Arsenal: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, Gabriel, Saliba, Zinchenko; Rice, Odegaard, Trossard; Saka, Jesus, Martinelli.
Subs: Hein, White, Nketiah, Kiwior, Soares, Jorginho, Nelson, Elneny, Havertz.

[Marc Overmars]

Adventurous line up.

Hopefully get an early goal.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Martinelli. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Trossard shot, over.

[Mac76]

poor from Trossard

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsdale. :haha:

[Mac76]

Zin leaves the ball and it goes to a Brentford player - god he's useless

[Marc Overmars]

Ramsdale :haha:

Rice saves his arse but that won’t be forgotten. Dreadful.

[Mac76]

Ramsdale. :haha:

That's his Arsenal career over right there

[Mac76]

dreadful corner from Trossard

[Marc Overmars]

We need something different up front. Very blunt.

[HCZ_Reborn]

That and we aren’t getting the ball up front quick enough and Brentford always have time to get bodies back

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsdale. :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Fucking hell Ramsdale.

[Marc Overmars]

“You’re just a shit David Raya”

That’s got to sting.

[Mac76]

Ramsdale :ilt:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jesus deflected shot, saved!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fucking hell Ramsdale . His first game in three and a half weeks, and his first league start since September. And he’s about as convincing as Trump on the witness stand in his fraud trial

[Mac76]

crowd singing "England's number 4" :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

TROSSARD!!!!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Trossard does it again.

[Marc Overmars]

TROSSARD!

Get in!

[HCZ_Reborn]

VAR check :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Goal disallowed.

[Marc Overmars]

Offside by inches

Fucking VAR

[Mac76]

damn

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-0 HT.

[Marc Overmars]

We’re quite dull. Long way off those fast starts and high chance creation from last season. Not releasing the ball anywhere near quick enough to find space.

Defensively fine except for Ramsdale embarrassing himself.

[HCZ_Reborn]

We’re quite dull. Long way off those fast starts and high chance creation from last season. Not releasing the ball anywhere near quick enough to find space.

Defensively fine except for Ramsdale embarrassing himself.

It’s because the only time Partey has played this season he was at right back (a fifteen minute cameo against city aside)

[Mac76]

usual story can't get the attacks going quickly enough and no, HCZ, that's not all down to Rice :rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

usual story can't get the attacks going quickly enough and no, HCZ, that's not all down to Rice :rolleyes:

I didn’t say it was all down to Rice. I’ve changed my mind about him in so far that I’ve evolved from not wanting him at the club or playing, to simply saying he needs a midfield partner.


Zinchenko and Tomiyasu don’t contribute enough going forward either. I would say the same for Odegaard but Odegaard has almost never dropped deep to win the ball, it’s just not how he plays…ditto Martinelli


It’s the lack of a fit Partey or equivalent player. If we weren’t going to buy a striker, it throws the monstrously silly decision to buy Havertz into sharper leaf. Fucker was playing at left back for Germany during the interlull

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jesus off, Nketiah on.

[Mac76]

come on Arsenal ffs

[Marc Overmars]

This is dull as fuck.

[Letters]

Need to pub a 1-0.
Come on, you twats!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Brilliant clearance from Zinchenko.

[Marc Overmars]

All well and good having the best defence but when you’ve got a front line as blunt as ours then I’m not sure winning the league is possible.

[Marc Overmars]

Woeful from Eddie. He’s got to play that across there.

[Mac76]

fucking Nketiah - should have squared it to Saka

[McNamara That Ghost...]

HAVERTZ!!!! COME ON!!!!

[Marc Overmars]

HAVERTZ!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

GOAT. :bow:

[Mac76]

Haverrrrrrrrrrrrrrtz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsdale. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Brentford 0-1 Arsenal, FT!!! WOOO!!

Big result.

Top of the league!!

[Letters]

What a signing! :lol:

[Mac76]

we are top of the league! :scarf:

Havertz :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Liverpool played Chelsea earlier according to Captain Rubberlips.

[Marc Overmars]

Always a priceless 3 points when you get a win like that.

God awful game though. Can’t say the forwards are covering themselves in glory at the moment. Saka and Martinelli look shite.

[Mac76]

yes it was pretty poor and £65m's a lot to pay for a pub winner but as you say priceless 3 pts and hey we're top so get iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Letters]

All well and good having the best defence but when you’ve got a front line as blunt as ours then I’m not sure winning the league is possible.

Despite the result, I do agree with this.
We do seem to be muddling through but we are surely going to get found out sooner or later.

[Mac76]

Despite the result, I do agree with this.
We do seem to be muddling through but we are surely going to get found out sooner or later.

Sure but there's something to be said for grinding out results, I'm still more annoyrd about what happened at Newcastle where we were cheated out of being unbeaten

[HCZ_Reborn]

yes it was pretty poor and £65m's a lot to pay for a pub winner but as you say priceless 3 pts and hey we're top so get iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!!!!!!!!!!! :)

The one thing I will say for him is that he’s generally done ok when subbed on. Seems to work much better to have him as a bench option than to start with him.

[Letters]

Sure but there's something to be said for grinding out results
There definitely is. I just worry we’re not going to keep getting away with it.


I'm still more annoyrd about what happened at Newcastle where we were cheated out of being unbeaten
I’m over that. We were possibly robbed of a point but that’s all. And actually that game is another good example of our blunt attack costing us.

[Marc Overmars]

On one hand it’s great to be top of the league without really moving out of second gear but then on the other you do wonder if we will find those other gears needed to really have a stab at winning the league. The spine of the team is looking imperious with Saliba and Rice at the heart of it but the forward line to me looks very soft. Martinelli and Saka can’t really play against low blocks because they need space to exploit and Jesus just isn’t going to hit the kind of numbers we’ll need.

[Mac76]

we definitely still need to buy a quality striker in January - much as I like Trossard I don't think he's going to fill the gap and Eddie simply can't

[Letters]

We're definitely riding our luck. We got lucky with the goal against City. We were a bit lucky with the VAR call vs Utd, that could have gone the other way. And we were a bit lucky at the weekend.
Things have been going our way a bit and I can't help feel that won't keep happening, we do need a clinical striker. Doubt we'll get one though.
If we do then it could well push us to the title this year.

[LDG]

We're definitely riding our luck. We got lucky with the goal against City. We were a bit lucky with the VAR call vs Utd, that could have gone the other way. And we were a bit lucky at the weekend.
Things have been going our way a bit and I can't help feel that won't keep happening, we do need a clinical striker. Doubt we'll get one though.
If we do then it could well push us to the title this year.

Erm, Newcastle?

That was a travesty. Huge injustice for me.

We’ve had VAR fuck us over at Chelsea (the handball).

Martinelli offside v Everton. That was all kinds of wrong.

We have been excellent in defence. That is not luck. But it is a huge reason why we’ve managed to rack up points.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stopped watching football months back after it became unashamedly rigged by little men in VAR booths taking brown envelopes from little men in Asia. At least they used to try to cover their tracks. Now it's blatant and unapologetic. Like everything really.

[Niall_Quinn]

Despite the result, I do agree with this.
We do seem to be muddling through but we are surely going to get found out sooner or later.

It was very obvious at the end of last season. There's no striker at the club, except a backup - who also happens to be leading goal scorer. Again, obvious. Strikers are there to score goals. When you don't have any, you don't score enough goals. You can't win a title if you can't score goals. Definitely not winning the title this season. The gypos have the tall geezer who looks like a woman. That'll be enough to see them over the line.

[Letters]

Erm, Newcastle?

That was a travesty. Huge injustice for me.
I actually feel better about that since I heard the audio. They were commendably thorough and I actually agree with most of their rulings - the ball looked over the line but you can't be definitive with that angle, see Japan vs Germany. There was no clear offside or handball. The thing I do think they got wrong was the foul. Definite push for me, so I do think we were wrong so in that sense we were robbed - but it was of 1 point, not 3. We were never going to score in that game, which is the concern this season.

You cite some things which have gone against us this season - correctly. I've cited some things which went for us. You can do that in any season of course. Overall I don't think we've been particularly hard done by. And agreed about the defence, it's a big improvement this season and important for a title push. But up front we're looking a bit lightweight. We don't have a Haaland or, dare I say it, a Kane. And that could cost us long term.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Erm, Newcastle?

That was a travesty. Huge injustice for me.

We’ve had VAR fuck us over at Chelsea (the handball).

Martinelli offside v Everton. That was all kinds of wrong.

We have been excellent in defence. That is not luck. But it is a huge reason why we’ve managed to rack up points.


Two of the instances you’ve cited are more about how the rules of the game are bullshit rather than VAR going against us. By the rules of the game you can argue that the Everton player wasn’t in control of the ball when it was kicked against him and thus it can’t count as a back pass therefore Edward was offside. I think that’s bollocks but that’s the rule. Same with Saliba handball against Chelsea, the idea that your arms are in an unnatural position and you don’t use them to balance yourself when jumping is horse dung but again those are the very silly rules.

[Mac76]

Two of the instances you’ve cited are more about how the rules of the game are bullshit rather than VAR going against us. By the rules of the game you can argue that the Everton player wasn’t in control of the ball when it was kicked against him and thus it can’t count as a back pass therefore Edward was offside. I think that’s bollocks but that’s the rule. Same with Saliba handball against Chelsea, the idea that your arms are in an unnatural position and you don’t use them to balance yourself when jumping is horse dung but again those are the very silly rules.

i was about to say I thought it was clearer when it was 'hand-to-ball' not 'ball-to-hand' that was the decider, but then a defender could simply hold their arms out wide to block a shot past them - I guess the current rule is to prevent that but it does get a bit silly - personally i'd have quite a high bar for handball, it's a classic offence where you just have to apply a bit of common sense but expecting VAR officials to have any of that is way beyond realistic

[Niall_Quinn]

I actually feel better about that since I heard the audio. They were commendably thorough and I actually agree with most of their rulings - the ball looked over the line but you can't be definitive with that angle, see Japan vs Germany. There was no clear offside or handball. The thing I do think they got wrong was the foul. Definite push for me, so I do think we were wrong so in that sense we were robbed - but it was of 1 point, not 3. We were never going to score in that game, which is the concern this season.

You cite some things which have gone against us this season - correctly. I've cited some things which went for us. You can do that in any season of course. Overall I don't think we've been particularly hard done by. And agreed about the defence, it's a big improvement this season and important for a title push. But up front we're looking a bit lightweight. We don't have a Haaland or, dare I say it, a Kane. And that could cost us long term.

Or, to look at it another way, the anuses had three, four maybe five opportunities to not cheat. And they missed them all. That's some sort of fucked up reffing, well beyond the threshold for incompetence or simple mistakes. We'll never prove it, but some of them walked away with envelopes that day. It's not about the win or the loss, it's about the betting. Very obvious now, they don't try to conceal it. Saw an incident a week ago, some club (can't remember) had a goal chalked off for a foul that was tame compared to the blatant foul on ??? Gabriel was it?

Obviously VAR is a total bust. We were way, way better off when refs just made mistakes because they didn't have the benefit of a second look. Funnily enough, they got it right far more often that VAR. VAR is psychological, not scientific. They can now cheat in plain sight because people literally defer to authority rather than their own eyesight. You see an obvious foul and then you hear the VAR racketeers say it was no foul. Well, "experts" have looked, so you must be mistaken. Right?

Nah. It's just blatant cheating right under your nose. The league will be decided by those bastards and they'll make bank in the process. It's just like everything else these days. Our memories and nostalgia provide the inertia that prevents us catching up with the obvious.