Man United vs Arsenal, 12.05.2024

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wednesday just gone was 22 years since Sylvain Wiltord scored the goal that won us the title at Old Trafford

What is remarkable about this game is just how unremarkable the game was. It came four days after our FA win against Chelsea and we actually if I remember started with Wiltord and Kanu up front

We only needed a draw to win the title, and you’d think United would have gone all out. But they rested Van Nistelrooy and Ferguson only brought him on to rescue the game after they were 1-0 down.

Niggly game, United a few sly fouls just to remind us they were there but whilst we didn’t control the game, United certainly didn’t really put us under any pressure and we never seriously looked like surrendering the lead.

However what’s also of note is that Ferguson has been gone almost 11 years, and only once in that time have we won at OT (well twice including the fa cup game). And given how in that time post Ferguson they’ve finished above us three times in the following eleven seasons….our record there has been a bit of a damp squib.

1 win 4 draws 5 defeats…only one of those defeats have been by more than one goal and that was last season.

But there seems to be a lasting psychological barrier. Regardless of whether winning yields us the title this season (we know that failure to win means failure to win the title becomes a virtual certainty) I think it’s time we put that barrier aside

[Mac76]

3-0 Rashford hatter

[Letters]

I hope we win, tbh.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I hope we win, tbh.

I love the unpredictable nature of the responses on here

[Mac76]

I love the unpredictable nature of the responses on here

Well it surprised me - I don't think he normally adds the comma

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well it surprised me - I don't think he normally adds the comma

Normally he is sans comma, however this is not the Comma’s debut. That came in for the NLD

[Letters]

I did deliberate about the comma. Hope it was the right thing to do.

There is no reason we shouldn't win this other than our poor record there - which can get in their heads - and Utd's inexplicable ability this season to get occasional good results which have kept Ten Hag in a job. But we are loads better than them so should win comfortably if we don't shit ourselves.

[Mac76]

I have to say I do find the constant references on here to people involuntarily releasing the contents of their bowels, including whilst in bed, a bit tiresome...

That said, I agree the only way we fail to win this is if we lose the mental battle.

Ironically if Fulham somehow take points off Citeh, the Man Ure game will become unbelievably huge and I just hope our guys can deal with it.

Eiither way if I'm Arteta I'm doing the opposite of bigging up the game in their heads, I'm saying 'OK guys another day another game - go out and do a good job and get the win' - end of

[Marc Overmars]

Hate this fixture, even at the best of times it’s proven to be a struggle.

We should win but United have a penchant for undeserved results, hope I’m wrong but I feel like the season will end here for us. I don’t see them being as bad for their final home game.

2-2.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I have to say I do find the constant references on here to people involuntarily releasing the contents of their bowels, including whilst in bed, a bit tiresome...

That said, I agree the only way we fail to win this is if we lose the mental battle.

Ironically if Fulham somehow take points off Citeh, the Man Ure game will become unbelievably huge and I just hope our guys can deal with it.

Eiither way if I'm Arteta I'm doing the opposite of bigging up the game in their heads, I'm saying 'OK guys another day another game - go out and do a good job and get the win' - end of

You’re quite a sensitive individual. If it’s not allusions to sexual violence it’s scatalogical references that give you the ick


It’s just as well we don’t like in the Middle Ages where rape and involuntary bowel movements were a daily thing

[Mac76]

Hate this fixture, even at the best of times it’s proven to be a struggle.

We should win but United have a penchant for undeserved results, hope I’m wrong but I feel like the season will end here for us. I don’t see them being as bad for their final home game.

2-2.

I wouldn't be at all surprised at that result for the reasons you give, bad though Man Ure are, they have players who can do damage, plus no doubt they'll get the referee's favour and we will have to be very disciplined

[Mac76]

It’s just as well we don’t like in the Middle Ages where rape and involuntary bowel movements were a daily thing

Sounds just your cup of tea, are you building a time machine?

[HCZ_Reborn]

You’re quite a sensitive individual. If it’s not allusions to sexual violence it’s scatalogical references that give you the ick


It’s just as well we don’t like in the Middle Ages where rape and involuntary bowel movements were a daily thing

However not for the sake of argument but I don’t think you can treat this fixture like another game even with the hilariously sorry state United are in. Liverpool showed what can happen if you let any complacency set in.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sounds just your cup of tea, are you building a time machine?

Ah I’m one of those people who becomes nauseated at even the sound of someone up chucking

So not to labour the point about the gap between word and deed, but my words may be profane but my behaviour is not

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think it’s going to be tough to watch at times because the jitters set in the last two games (especially in the second half).

You can argue that they were there in the wolves and Chelsea games as well, and of course the Villa game

It’s understandable of course it is, these players going for their first title are going to be nervous….even if the pressure is slightly off by it not being in our hands, the pressure is still there because they will want to prove like Liverpool that they can take City down to the wire

Raya worries me at times, especially the fact that there is a clear breakdown in communication at times between him and Gabriel. Those two should be forced to go on a man date at a moderately priced restaurant. Ask each other what streaming tv programs they binge watch, maybe share a meme or two that translates well in both Spanish and Portuguese.

[Letters]

Hate this fixture, even at the best of times it’s proven to be a struggle.

We should win but United have a penchant for undeserved results, hope I’m wrong but I feel like the season will end here for us. I don’t see them being as bad for their final home game.

2-2.

This is all very plausible :(

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-4 tbf.

[Mac76]

Saka has a leg injury and Tomi is also a doubt - obvs Saka has to be dead before Arteta doesn't start him but if there's any truth to it, it's not good

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/arsenal-xi-vs-manchester-united-bukayo-saka-injury-latest-confirmed-team-news-and-predicted-lineup/ar-BB1mahdE

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Hate this fixture, even at the best of times it’s proven to be a struggle.

We should win but United have a penchant for undeserved results, hope I’m wrong but I feel like the season will end here for us. I don’t see them being as bad for their final home game.

2-2.

It's not their final home game, they play Newcastle midweek.

[Letters]

It's not their final home game, they play Newcastle midweek.
It’s ON!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Man Utd: Onana, Dalot, Casemiro, Evans, Wan-Bissaka, Mainoo, Amrabat, Diallo, McTominay, Garnacho, Hojlund.
Subs: Bayindir, Eriksen, Antony, Kambwala, Forson, Collyer, Amass, Ogunneye, Wheatley.

Arsenal: Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Tomiyasu, Rice, Partey, Odegaard, Saka, Trossard, Havertz.
Subs: Ramsdale, Zinchenko, Kiwior, Jorginho, Vieira, Smith Rowe, Martinelli, Jesus, Nketiah.

[HCZ_Reborn]

No Fernandes or Rashford for United

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Merson, Rooney and Keane there for Sky.

[Marc Overmars]

If we can’t beat this United team. :lol:

[Mac76]

Odegaard's attempt at a goatee :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

[Mac76]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

:gp:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saka shot, Onana saves.

[Mac76]

Partey :doh:

McTominay :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Partey nearly got done.

Hojlund slips. :lol:

[Mac76]

Rice :doh:

come on guys get your act together

[HCZ_Reborn]

Trossard !!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

TROSSARD!!!!

[Mac76]

Leo! Leo! Leo!

[WMUG]

Nervy one this

[Mac76]

Partey's had a mare so far

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-1 HT.

Not overly happy with how we've been tbf.

[Mac76]

0-1 HT

Good goal but need to get more into the game overall, Man Ure have been getting in behind us on our right hand side a lot in particular

Partey's been a bit dodgy, I reckon we go Jorgi on 60 mins

[Marc Overmars]

Second goal needed ASAP.

We’re not exactly in full control here.

[WMUG]

0-1 HT

Good goal but need to get more into the game overall, Man Ure have been getting in behind us on our right hand side a lot in particular

Partey's been a bit dodgy, I reckon we go Jorgi on 60 mins

Why wait, get him on now

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Partey. :lol:

[Mac76]

Why wait, get him on now

definitely

[WMUG]

FFS get him off, he's gonna cost us a goal

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't recall ever seeing a worse performance. Racking my brains. You have to be seething if you are Jorghino watching that shitckicker Partey out there. And you have to be a mit miffed if you are Martinelli watching them all strolling around as if they aren't paid millions a year.

[Mac76]

This is terrible

[Mac76]

These near-post corners of ours are not working - just put it in the mixer FFS

[Niall_Quinn]

That was one of the most horrific passages of play you'll ever see on a football pitch, PL or Sunday league. Absolutely pointless.

[Niall_Quinn]

One dive in the box by that cunty bloke they have up top and it's level.

[Mac76]

Garnacho had the freedom of our box then, lucky he missed

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Would be good to kill them off soon.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Odegaard shot, easy for Onana.

[Niall_Quinn]

A shot. We're being spoiled.

[Mac76]

We need to bring Jorgi and Jesus on now for Saka and Partey then think about Martinelli not long after

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Trossard off, Martinelli on.

[Niall_Quinn]

Like for like to get same for same.

[Mac76]

Casemiro back passes to Raya

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Diallo off, Antony on.

[Mac76]

pointless short corner - our set pieces have been utter toilet

[Niall_Quinn]

This is appalling. And the ref's a wanker too. He's let every Utd sneaky foul go, now he has his cards out.

[Mac76]

Rice has been shite today

[Niall_Quinn]

We are super fortunate Utd have such poor players. Hard to believe but the second half performance has been worse than the first.

[Mac76]

we desperately need Jorginho to bring a bit of calm

[Marc Overmars]

Midfield has been poor.

Which is annoying considering how shit United are in that area of the pitch.

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the theory behind continuing to carry Partey in this match? When we have perfectly good footballers on the bench?

[Mac76]

And we need Jesus on to inject some energy

[Marc Overmars]

Careless up top. Looking very tired now.

[Mac76]

fuckup between Saka and Partey nearly causes a goal

For god's sake Arteta make some changes here

[Niall_Quinn]

That's not acceptable from Saka. This is supposed to be a title challenge. It looks more like a bunch of pampered little fucks going through the motions while they wait for the school bell and the summer holidays.

[Marc Overmars]

They will get an attack right with the amount of opportunity we’re giving them. Someone needs to look after the ball properly.

[Niall_Quinn]

Good boy Martinelli, that's more like it.

[Mac76]

Saka's pissing me off

[Mac76]

We need to buy Garnacho in the summer

[Niall_Quinn]

Saka's biggest weakness, he's a wimp.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fantastic by Martinelli. What a difference.

[Mac76]

Finally Jesus coming on

[Niall_Quinn]

Finally Jesus coming on

We need him. And the Holy Ghost while we are at it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Onana with all the saves now.

[Mac76]

Much better corners from Odegaard - showing Saka how it's done

[Mac76]

Mainoo's pretending, there was nothing in that

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Thunder. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

I hate Partey, he's a fucking horrible player. Jesus was making the run there and the ultra-nagative shit immediately looked for the simple square pass. Hateful non-player.

[Niall_Quinn]

Utd have pretty much subbed their whole team now. When is this nonsense going to go back to one sub?

[Mac76]

Hojland off - forgot he was playing

[Niall_Quinn]

Hojland off - forgot he was playing

Nobody playing against him forgot - dirty bastard.

[Mac76]

If Martinelli had made his run earlier then...

[Mac76]

6 mins ET... :faint:

[Niall_Quinn]

Jesus finally adding some fire to the performance and giving back what Utd have been dishing out all day.

[Niall_Quinn]

Hopefully that's the last time Partey ever plays for the club.

[Mac76]

Hopefully that's the last time Partey ever plays for the club.

might well be i think, as we've renewed Jorg's contract

[Niall_Quinn]

Barely now watchable, says the commentator. As if it ever was.

[Niall_Quinn]

might well be i think, as we've renewed Jorg's contract

Which tells me he's prepared to stay as a bench player.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-1 FT BBY!!!!!

[Mac76]

Neville trying to jinx us by making Saliba MotM

[Mac76]

Yes!

not exactly authoritative but we got it done :scarf:

[Niall_Quinn]

Very lucky we were playing Utd today. We'd have been smashed by any half decent opponent. Shameful performance.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Holy shit that rain.

[Niall_Quinn]

Now it's up to the spuds to show what they are made of.

:doh:

[Mac76]

Very lucky we were playing Utd today. We'd have been smashed by any half decent opponent. Shameful performance.

I think it was because we were playing Man Ure that we were nervy, we just needed to get it over the line but I agree it wasn't great, Partey in particular was shocking

[Marc Overmars]

Get in! What a result. Not pretty but fuck all that right now.

We’ve taken a title race to the final day, you can’t say fairer than that and no matter what you think this is a major step up to what we’ve done for 20 years.

Come on you Spurs!

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think it was because we were playing Man Ure that we were nervy, we just needed to get it over the line but I agree it wasn't great, Partey in particular was shocking

I agree. We hardly ever win there and all of our league wins there are usually 1-0. In fact looking now, this is a record that goes back to 1979

[Niall_Quinn]

I think it was because we were playing Man Ure that we were nervy, we just needed to get it over the line but I agree it wasn't great, Partey in particular was shocking

Fine, but doesn't excuse a performance like that. Be as nervy as you like but still remember the basics of passing a ball. These are highly paid professionals. That performance was in no way acceptable.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fine, but doesn't excuse a performance like that. Be as nervy as you like but still remember the basics of passing a ball. These are highly paid professionals. That performance was in no way acceptable.

Agreed. These players deserve only to be on the pitch one more time this season.

[Marc Overmars]

Only our 5th PL win at Old Trafford and the 4th time we’ve done the double over them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Agreed. These players deserve only to be on the pitch one more time this season.

Debatable.

No women in the Sky Sports studio! :bow:

Are we finally getting over crazy clown world and getting back to sanity?

[Letters]

Now it's up to the spuds to show what they are made of.

:doh:

Spurs always let their fans down.
Spurs fans want them to lose against City.

So if my maths is right…it’s on!

[Niall_Quinn]

When the interviewer started, "How slow...", I was about to shout, finally, somebody has noticed! But then he did the usual and asked an incredibly stupid question about the clock.

[Niall_Quinn]

Spurs always let their fans down.
Spurs fans want them to lose against City.

So if my maths is right…it’s on!

Not really. They made them that cake celebrating how they dominated Brentford for 11 minutes in 1933. Spuds fans loved that cake.

[Marc Overmars]

27th league win, the most we’ve ever managed.

Arteta has been transformative, it can’t really be argued against anymore. The only reason we don’t have a title is because of some doped up cheats.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

27th league win, the most we’ve ever managed.

Arteta has been transformative, it can’t really be argued against anymore. The only reason we don’t have a title is because of some doped up cheats.

Most goals also.

[Letters]

27th league win, the most we’ve ever managed.

Arteta has been transformative, it can’t really be argued against anymore. The only reason we don’t have a title is because of some doped up cheats.
:gp:

I said a while back that if City are to win it then let’s make them win it. We’ve done that.
We had the harder run in and we’ve stood up and won the games. That’s all we can do.
I must admit I am now somewhat excited at the thought that Spurs could get something. Heart says “it’s ON!”, head says “no chance!”. But we’ve pushed them to the last day whatever happens.
How it plays out won’t change how I view our efforts this season.
The biggest thing is Arteta has restored the relationship between the club and the fans.

[Niall_Quinn]

27th league win, the most we’ve ever managed.

Arteta has been transformative, it can’t really be argued against anymore. The only reason we don’t have a title is because of some doped up cheats.

No, it's because we didn't beat Villa.

[Letters]

No, it's because we didn't beat Villa.

I’d actually point to the West Ham and Fulham double header after Christmas.
But whatever. Villa is the only slip. We’ve won every other game except City away where we got a draw, a pretty creditable result. It all adds up to 27 wins from 37 games and the potential for 89 points, only one fewer than The Invincibles. If that’s not enough then so be it. No complaints from me. If we do lose out it’ll only be a side to have been cheating for what, 15 years? Fuck them.

[Mac76]

I’d actually point to the West Ham and Fulham double header after Christmas.


I'd point to Zin fucking up to give away two points at home to Fulham, plus Jorg fucking up to give away two points at home to Spuds, plus I think we could/should have beaten Citeh at their place

Whatever though, like you say we've done much better than last year, and if we can strengthen in the summer and get next season off to a really good start, then we can only hope to take it all the way

[Letters]

In any season you can point to slips.
The Invincibles made a balls up at WHL, losing a 2-0 lead to draw. Obviously it was still enough that WWTL@WHL, but we should have won that game easily. And we actually didn’t win as many league games that season as we have this year. I’m not sure how helpful it is poring over these things. What’s the end result? It’s 86 points so far, we could end with 89. If it’s still not enough then ok, we lose out to the best PL side so far. But everyone knows how they got there so, as I may have said, fuck them. And fuck the media who fawn over them and Pep and pretend they’re achieving anything.

[Niall_Quinn]

I’d actually point to the West Ham and Fulham double header after Christmas.
But whatever. Villa is the only slip. We’ve won every other game except City away where we got a draw, a pretty creditable result. It all adds up to 27 wins from 37 games and the potential for 89 points, only one fewer than The Invincibles. If that’s not enough then so be it. No complaints from me. If we do lose out it’ll only be a side to have been cheating for what, 15 years? Fuck them.

Fine, but then there was the chance to go toe to toe with the campsite crew. We didn't. Just recounting history, without opinion being necessary. For sure, better not to have chucked points away in easy games, but we did. So we had to win a hard game to make up for it. Didn't. Lost the title. Nothing to do with the gypos being cheats. We've always been up against cheats. 80s Liverpool, 90s/00s Utd. Some of the worst cheats imaginable. Still managed to beat them from time to time. No excuses now. They don't help.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The Villa game is a big disappointment, however I do think that’s mitigated by winning seven points from nine away at city, United and Spurs. Something I never expected us to do.

I felt we’d go like Liverpool and fall away after that loss, but we didn’t.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Villa game is a big disappointment, however I do think that’s mitigated by winning seven points from nine away at city, United and Spurs. Something I never expected us to do.

I felt we’d go like Liverpool and fall away after that loss, but we didn’t.

Yes, but this is the best league in the world ever, to be fair. Is it not? So standards are necessarily sky high. We judge them by those standards, not by excuses and "nearly" outcomes. It's good they are in there still fighting, well - sort of, but on the day they win that Villa game and it's city that are hoping for a miracle THEN we have reached the standard. Until then, we haven't. On the other hand, compared to the unbelievable shit that has gone before, this is a season of progress where it looks like we are slowly undoing the catastrophe of post Invincible Wenger and reaching a point where we can genuinely say, without any false dawns, we have the very basics mastered again and can mount a serious competitive challenge.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fine, but then there was the chance to go toe to toe with the campsite crew. We didn't. Just recounting history, without opinion being necessary. For sure, better not to have chucked points away in easy games, but we did. So we had to win a hard game to make up for it. Didn't. Lost the title. Nothing to do with the gypos being cheats. We've always been up against cheats. 80s Liverpool, 90s/00s Utd. Some of the worst cheats imaginable. Still managed to beat them from time to time. No excuses now. They don't help.

Liverpool in 88/89 had a terrible first half to the season by their standards and were relentless second half. Going into the final game of the season we were three points behind them.


In 90/91, they went on a relentless winning run first half of the season and then fell away after Dalglish left. We actually weren’t that great that season, we just kept a lot of clean sheets


97/98, United had a big lead but they also played more games than us and they were pretty unimpressive. We won the league with 78 points that season.


01/02 - Chased down a United side who obliged us by losing six times at home that season


03/04 - May have been unbeaten but drew 12 games. And up against a United team that again were in indifferent form


Liverpool got 96 points five years ago but still finished a point behind City. So no to be fair, this isn’t the same as competing against the Liverpool and United sides of the past. If they win at Spurs on Tuesday, they are 99% certain to do something no one has ever done in English football league history and win the title four times in a row.

[Niall_Quinn]

Liverpool in 88/89 had a terrible first half to the season by their standards and were relentless second half. Going into the final game of the season we were three points behind them.


In 90/91, they went on a relentless winning run first half of the season and then fell away after Dalglish left. We actually weren’t that great that season, we just kept a lot of clean sheets


97/98, United had a big lead but they also played more games than us and they were pretty unimpressive. We won the league with 78 points that season.


01/02 - Chased down a United side who obliged us by losing six times at home that season


03/04 - May have been unbeaten but drew 12 games. And up against a United team that again were in indifferent form


Liverpool got 96 points five years ago but still finished a point behind City. So no to be fair, this isn’t the same as competing against the Liverpool and United sides of the past. If they win at Spurs on Tuesday, they are 99% certain to do something no one has ever done in English football league history and win the title four times in a row.

The refs were owned by Liverpool in the 80s - except in Europe where they became mere mortals. And I don't think I even need to comment about Utd. My point is, you can beat the cheats if you want to, and we did. It's not a valid excuse.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The refs were owned by Liverpool in the 80s - except in Europe where they became mere mortals. And I don't think I even need to comment about Utd. My point is, you can beat the cheats if you want to, and we did. It's not a valid excuse.

I’m simply stating a fact. In 88/89 we lost to Derby and drew against Wimbledon and looked like we’d thrown the title away.

What you choose to accept or not accept is not really my problem.

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m simply stating a fact. In 88/89 we lost to Derby and drew against Wimbledon and looked like we’d thrown the title away.

What you choose to accept or not accept is not really my problem.

What's that got to do with my response to the original post? I'm not disputing we lost to Derby and drew against Wimbledon, remember it well, I threw my Arsenal mug into the garden and it smashed into a hundred pieces after the Wimbledon fuck-up. So does that mean Liverpool didn't own the refs in the 80s?

Struggling to find the connection.

[Letters]

Fine, but then there was the chance to go toe to toe with the campsite crew. We didn't. Just recounting history, without opinion being necessary. For sure, better not to have chucked points away in easy games, but we did. So we had to win a hard game to make up for it. Didn't. Lost the title. Nothing to do with the gypos being cheats. We've always been up against cheats. 80s Liverpool, 90s/00s Utd. Some of the worst cheats imaginable. Still managed to beat them from time to time. No excuses now. They don't help.

My take is we have gone toe to toe with them.
We don’t agree on much but a while back we were agreeing that we wouldn’t win the league and I think it was for the same reason - we don’t think Arsenal can handle a title run in. Last year we should have won it, but we collapsed in the run in. The City juggernaut ran us down. We lost twice to them and dropped too many silly points in the run in. To the point that from a commanding position we basically just handed to them. We haven’t done that this year. The Villa game was where it went in to City’s hands, but I can forgive one slip all calendar year. Since I’ve consistently said that if City are going to win it then make the fuckers win it. We’ve done that. City have won 8 in a row since they drew with us and we have stayed right with them. They’re going to have to win the last two to beat us. They probably will, but despite the harder run in we’ve made them run to the line. That and the way we’ve stood up in the big games this year, it’s a million times better than last season. If it’s still not enough then so be it, no complaints from me, we go again next season. If the FA have any balls (lol) then City will be stripped of this title anyway.
The main thing is over the last couple of seasons the relationship between club and fans has been restored.‘I actually care again. That’s a massive step forward

[HCZ_Reborn]

What's that got to do with my response to the original post? I'm not disputing we lost to Derby and drew against Wimbledon, remember it well, I threw my Arsenal mug into the garden and it smashed into a hundred pieces after the Wimbledon fuck-up. So does that mean Liverpool didn't own the refs in the 80s?

Struggling to find the connection.

The point is you keep pointing back to the past and how we fail to live up to those standards

The fact is this season we have. In fact in some ways we’ve exceeded those standards both offensively and defensively, we’ve had slip ups this season but every single title winner has slip ups. It just seems City has far fewer than anyone else


I don’t know what the whole thing is about cheating with refs, it obviously didn’t help Liverpool or United when we pipped them to the title. But it’s a whole different ask when you’re talking about a team that barring dropped points Tuesday will have won six out of the last seven league titles…and it doesn’t matter the standard of the opponent they have a squad available to them where they can just up their level when it suits them.

Now I don’t know if maybe Guardiola deserves some respect there, Chelsea have done just as much if not more in terms of financial doping but they’ve never had that level of consistency.

[Mac76]

The refs were owned by Liverpool in the 80s - except in Europe where they became mere mortals. And I don't think I even need to comment about Utd. My point is, you can beat the cheats if you want to, and we did. It's not a valid excuse.

you're right about Fergufuck for sure, they didn't say he was worth 10 points a season for nothing, he had the FA and the refs around his little finger, two and a half seasons without a single pel against them at Old Shiteford, plus the Club World cup/FAC bye debacle that saw them sunning themselves by the pool in South America while everyone else was getting kicked from one end of a frost-bitten pitch to the other

[HCZ_Reborn]

you're right about Fergufuck for sure, they didn't say he was worth 10 points a season for nothing, he had the FA and the refs around his little finger, two and a half seasons without a single pel against them at Old Shiteford, plus the Club World cup/FAC bye debacle that saw them sunning themselves by the pool in South America while everyone else was getting kicked from one end of a frost-bitten pitch to the other

The being worth ten points a season thing was what Ferguson himself said about having Peter Schmeichel in goal.
Although not denying there was ref favouritism, there was this stat where no ref awarded a pen at Old Trafford between December 1993 where Ruel Fox put one away for Norwich and over ten years later when Liverpool were given a penalty which Danny Murphy converted in April 2004.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We are in a title race and it’s going to last day of the season and while city are strong favourites, it’s not beyond possibility that they slip up and we win it. This arsenal side does deserve to be champions, an almost flawless 2024 where we have dropped just 5 points (of which two of those were a draw at city, a brilliant result ). It’s going to the last day and that’s what we have been wanting for years.

We have responded superbly to pressure city have put on us, both the away games at spurs & united which historically are grounds we don’t win at (first time we have won two seasons in a row at spurs for 30 odd years & only 3rd win at old Trafford since 2006). City won their games and we went out to tough games and won them as well. We have created a situation where they have to win their last 2 games (lets face it, they will) but any slip up and we are right there.

This season has been outstanding and real improvement since last year. 27 wins in the league, a record for us, a great defensive record too. Significant improvement and a genuine title challenge. It’s what we have wanted for years and the best thing, this is a genuinely likeable team.

[Mac76]

The draw at Citeh was a decent result but on the day I think we could maybe have won i

But yes, we've made progresst

[Mac76]

The being worth ten points a season thing was what Ferguson himself said about having Peter Schmeichel in goal.
Although not denying there was ref favouritism, there was this stat where no ref awarded a pen at Old Trafford between December 1993 where Ruel Fox put one away for Norwich and over ten years later when Liverpool were given a penalty which Danny Murphy converted in April 2004.

Much as I hate the Daily Maul you'll see this article proves my '10 points' remark https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2395874/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-worth-10-points-Manchester-United-season--JAMIE-CARRAGHER.html

I didn't realise it was as much as ten years that they didn't get a pel awarded against them at home though

[HCZ_Reborn]

Much as I hate the Daily Maul you'll see this article proves my '10 points' remark https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2395874/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-worth-10-points-Manchester-United-season--JAMIE-CARRAGHER.html

I didn't realise it was as much as ten years that they didn't get a pel awarded against them at home though

So I just watched the highlights of the game Carragher is alluding to and it’s not really a soft penalty, he’d have been fuming if Liverpool had not been awarded similar pen. Valencia went down easily but Johnson utterly clumsy and bundled him over.

[Mac76]

So I just watched the highlights of the game Carragher is alluding to and it’s not really a soft penalty, he’d have been fuming if Liverpool had not been awarded similar pen. Valencia went down easily but Johnson utterly clumsy and bundled him over.

nice try but how does tht prove me wrong when i say people claimed Fergushite was worth ten points a season...?

[HCZ_Reborn]

nice try but how does tht prove me wrong when i say people claimed Fergushite was worth ten points a season...?

I wasn’t trying to prove anything. The whole worth ten points a season was regularly a comment made by Ferguson about Schmeichel and the saves he’s made. You’re showing me an article written by Carragher said it about Ferguson and the influence he wielded.

Not everything is a battle

[Mac76]

I wasn’t trying to prove anything. The whole worth ten points a season was regularly a comment made by Ferguson about Schmeichel and the saves he’s made. You’re showing me an article written by Carragher said it about Ferguson and the influence he wielded.

Not everything is a battle

you cited the Schmeichel thing as a contradiction to my point about people saying Ferguson was worth ten points a season, the Carragher article proves I am right to say that is what people have said.

[HCZ_Reborn]

you cited the Schmeichel thing as a contradiction to my point about people saying Ferguson was worth ten points a season, the Carragher article proves I am right to say that is what people have said.

Yes I understand…I thought it was me who didn’t like being contradicted. I’d honestly never heard anyone use that expression but constantly heard that expression being used by Ferguson to describe Schmeichel


Oh well :shrug: