Mac and HCZ Sitting in a Tree...

[Mac76]

Quite possibly but if anyone does I actually do think it will be Nwaneri but I'm going Lewis-Skelly in the hope he'll displace Zin

[Mac76]

Anyway the way we're handling this transfer window, and the way contrastingly Liverpool and Villa are handling it, tells me we'll struggle even for second this season

Eddie and Ram should have been done by now and we should be celebrating at least one new attacking signing

Arteta as usual is wanting to hang on to players he won't even use and he and Edu are overpricing players we should be desperate to get out the door

Meanwhile Zin is now back in the first team and Jesus at 9, displacing Havertz, both of these actions are extremely detrimental to the team

Guardiola can't be able to believe how successfully he's managed to sabotage Arsenal through exploiting Arteta's naivety

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway the way we're handling this transfer window, and the way contrastingly Liverpool and Villa are handling it, tells me we'll struggle even for second this season

Eddie and Ram should have been done by now and we should be celebrating at least one new attacking signing

Arteta as usual is wanting to hang on to players he won't even use and he and Edu are overpricing players we should be desperate to get out the door

Meanwhile Zin is now back in the first team and Jesus at 9, displacing Havertz, both of these actions are extremely detrimental to the team

Guardiola can't be able to believe how successfully he's managed to sabotage Arsenal through exploiting Arteta's naivety

Villa who have lost Diaby and Luiz over the summer, and brought in Onana and a bunch of players who have largely either unknown or have been plying their trade in the championship. They aren’t going to finish top four let alone above us.

Liverpool haven’t signed anyone, and Zubimendi has opted to stay at Real Sociedad rather than move there.


Dont get me wrong Im disappointed with this window, but I’m not massively surprised given the state of the market in general and the fact that we needed to sell in order to buy. And that we needed to make some money on these player sales as well (thus why we are at loggerheads with Marseille over a fee). Plus it’s a bit schizoid of people here to complain that we sell players too cheap and then complain we are haggling too much.


Zinchenko ? The irony is that you bring him up in conversation even when no one else mentions the cunt to opine on how terrible he is, yet you expect another club to want to take him off our hands :lol:

[Mac76]

We haven't even tried to sell Zin AFAIK, I think other clubs would def sign him, provided we don't hold on to him too long, this summer would have been a good time, another club (assuming it would have any sense) would play him as a midfielder. I admit at that point Arteta has greatly devalued him in playing him in a position for which he he totally and utterly unqualified but surely someone could see through that

[HCZ_Reborn]

We haven't even tried to sell Zin AFAIK, I think other clubs would def sign him, provided we don't hold on to him too long, this summer would have been a good time, another club (assuming it would have any sense) would play him as a midfielder. I admit at that point Arteta has greatly devalued him in playing him in a position for which he he totally and utterly unqualified but surely someone could see through that

You mean the same position he played in for Man City and plays for in the national side. Yes he has versatility but his first position is the inverted full back.

Plus I would think if Arteta wanted to keep him as anything more than a squad option he wouldn’t have signed California (predictive text keeps changing it to that and actually it’s not a bad nickname).

But the point I'm making stands regardless, if you think he’s that terrible why would any club in their right mind want to buy him. I’d be happy for us to sell Gabriel Jesus but the fact is no one is going to buy a player that a) is becoming increasingly injury prone b) isn’t scoring goals and c) is on ridiculous wages.


Our lineup against Lyon suggests he’s also going to be more of a squad option with Havertz being the first choice front man (which apart from anything else is the admission that it was ridiculous playing him in midfield).


I think we clearly need to sign a midfielder and a striker (a winger would be a bonus but actually I think like yourself that Vieira would work well as a backup on the right). I read that we don’t have much worry with FSR, but I can’t see how we don’t given our net spend even with a pretty well balanced wage bill. Plus it’s relative, no I don’t think we are in danger the way Newcastle and Villa are (Villa I think had no choice but to sell Diaby and Luiz) but I think there’s not much elbow room and we have to operate with caution. Thus why we are bartering with Sociedad over Merino (they don’t want to sell, we don’t want to overpay thus an impasse)

[Mac76]

There's lots of bad players that clubs sign, i'm more interested that Man City were prepared to sell him to a PL rival than that they bought him In the first place

They also bought Kalvin Phillips after all so even Pep makes duff signings...

[HCZ_Reborn]

There's lots of bad players that clubs sign, i'm more interested that Man City were prepared to sell him to a PL rival than that they bought him In the first place

They also bought Kalvin Phillips after all so even Pep makes duff signings...

Not the point I was making but still

I’m saying that Arteta isn’t singularly devaluing him by playing him at left back because that’s where he played for Man City and at international level.

Plus Guardiola signed him as a youngster from the Russian league, where any deficiencies in his game could be explained away by him being raw. It’s a very different proposition from signing 27/28 year old on big wages who has been a first team fixture at Arsenal and has been dropped for poor performances. It’s less of an attractive prospect than a 25 year old squad player who liked to get forward when he was used at city.


In a market where everyone has to tighten their belts and the days of going berserk are over unless you’re Chelsea, it’s hard to find suitors for players that we deem surplus to requirements

[Mac76]

It isn't hard if you accept, as Arteta and Edu should, that £20-odd million for a striker who can't get himself into the game or score (very often) when he does is a perfectly good price to get him off the books

Eddie.should be at Marseille by now but we've fucked it up

Ram and Nelson should be gone too, people are queueing up for Ram in particular but Arteta wants to keep him to play in the 3rd roumd of the league cup :rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think it’s less about not accepting his value and more about needing more money for him in order to balance out any potential purchase of a striker (the difference of €3-5 million Euros can make all the difference when trying to show we aren’t making consistent big losses)

[Mac76]

Some money is better than no money, which is where we're. ending up

Anyway if it wasn't me making this argument you'd probably be making it yourself

[HCZ_Reborn]

Some money is better than no money, which is where we're. ending up

Anyway if it wasn't me making this argument you'd probably be making it yourself

No because I could see this was going to be an issue this summer. The fact of the matter is we had the same issue last season with Partey, the money we were offered for him wasn’t going to be sufficient in order to get a replacement in. It’s not worth selling someone if you’re going to be worse off without them if you’re unable to bring in a player of bare minimum equivalent ability. Nketiah isn’t just a case of getting a player off the books, it’s being done with an eye to an upgrade. And to make getting that upgrade tenable, we presumably need to get a minimum amount for him


I’ve largely been annoyed with transfers which involved paying too much for players in positions that weren’t a priority


My opinion on things doesn’t land on taking a contrary position to yours. If you say something I happen to agree with, I either say I agree or I don’t comment at all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I did admittedly say why are we not biting Marseille’s hand off for the 17 million they offered. But clearly the fact we didn’t suggested we want to avoid sailing too close to the wind. Any purchase we make that will be considerably better than Edward is going to be around the 60 million mark

[Mac76]

I don't agree, Eddie is literally useless, he makes zero impact when he plays amd effectively reduces us to playing with ten men

In that scenario you're better off selling at pretty much any price, not least to get them off the wage bill, and freeing up a place in the squad

[Letters]

Holy shit you two! Stop shitting up the predictions thread!
I've created this one and moved the appropriate posts so you can keep flirting in here.
:rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't agree, Eddie is literally useless, he makes zero impact when he plays amd effectively reduces us to playing with ten men

In that scenario you're better off selling at pretty much any price, not least to get them off the wage bill, and freeing up a place in the squad

But that’s the point freeing up a place in the squad for who. Sell Nketiah and we are left with Havertz and Jesus up front, I’m not aware of anyone in the youth team that’s setting the world alight in terms of goals and if we are selling a player for less than what we want for him we are going to find it harder to bring in someone to replace.

I would say Eddie is next to useless rather than useless, and having a player who only gets you an extra five goals a season is still better than not having those five goals if we sell him and don’t replace him. That’s at least how I imagine it will be looked upon by the likes of Arteta and Edu

[The Wengerbabies]

faggots

[HCZ_Reborn]

faggots

Says the person so far in the closet, he’s holding bake sales in Narnia

[Mac76]

What bothers me is he somehow hacked it to look like I started the thread...which I didn't

[Niall_Quinn]

Quite possibly but if anyone does I actually do think it will be Nwaneri but I'm going Lewis-Skelly in the hope he'll displace Zin

WTF is this? The ego thread?

[Niall_Quinn]

What bothers me is he somehow hacked it to look like I started the thread...which I didn't

It's fucking vbulletin FFS. You can hack it and take total control in 2 minutes flat, even if you are just a script kiddie. You don't even need to hack it, you can just automate it. Vbulletin is the shit icing on the shit cake that destroyed a thousand decent forum packages just because people think if something is free it's worth nothing. Always, always go for free software because it's built and maintained by people who obviously didn't put money first.

[Letters]

What bothers me is he somehow hacked it to look like I started the thread...which I didn't
I think that just happens to be because when I split the thread yours was the first post which got moved. It wasn’t intentional. And it wasn’t hacking

[Niall_Quinn]

I think that just happens to be because when I split the thread yours was the first post which got moved. It wasn’t intentional. And it wasn’t hacking

Up to your old tricks again?

[Mac76]

I think that just happens to be because when I split the thread yours was the first post which got moved. It wasn’t intentional. And it wasn’t hacking

So it was you not Wengerbabies that did it?

well i must admit i did think it was a few IQ points above his

That said, what was the reason?

[Letters]

Up to your old tricks again?

It's not a trick.
Are you still pretending that moving posts and splitting threads to keep things tidy is censorship?
Remember when I did that with some of your posts and you objected to the thread title I'd created and I asked you what you wanted me to change it to and you refused to suggest anything and then kept moaning about it and claiming you were being "censored" despite none of your posts being edited or deleted? That was pretty funny.

[Letters]

So it was you not Wengerbabies that did it?

well i must admit i did think it was a few IQ points above his

That said, what was the reason?
It's not about IQ, only mods have the ability to do it.
The reason was to keep the prediction thread clean. That thread is, by definition, just for our predictions of how Arsenal will do. In general we are pretty lax with modding these days and rarely move, edit or delete anything. But given how few people actually post here now I figured having pages of you and HCZ bickering amongst just a few predictions would have made the latter hard to find.

[Mac76]

It's not about IQ, only mods have the ability to do it.
The reason was to keep the prediction thread clean. That thread is, by definition, just for our predictions of how Arsenal will do. In general we are pretty lax with modding these days and rarely move, edit or delete anything. But given how few people actually post here now I figured having pages of you and HCZ bickering amongst just a few predictions would have made the latter hard to find.

Bickering, us ?! :shrug: :lol:

But OK, fair point...

[Letters]

Bickering, us ?! :shrug: :lol:

But OK, fair point...
And that, NQ, is how you deal with your posts being moved.
Not everything is about oppression or control or censorship

[Niall_Quinn]

And that, NQ, is how you deal with your posts being moved.
Not everything is about oppression or control or censorship

Yeah, but it could be all about a couple of fags getting it together.

You know what you did and you've been excusing yourself ever since. But you're not man enough to just own it.

Your other mods know what you did too, although one of them is long gone. They tolerate your stupidity.

You won't be gaslighting me anytime soon girly boy.