Chelsea vs Arsenal 11.11.2024 - KO: 16:00

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s pretty dispiriting that a few weeks ago I assumed that we would be challenging for the title, and the disappointing failure to beat Liverpool along with the utterly blunt result against Newcastle seems to have ended that ambition. It’s not to say we definitely won’t challenge, we have a fairly good run of fixtures between now and the end of the year, but simply don’t know where the goals are coming from. The run at the beginning of the year was largely attributable to Saka, Trossard and Havertz who scored over half the goals in that run between them.

Havertz has gone off the boil with goals, and Trossard has gone off the boil in general. Whilst Odegaard of course allows us to create more chances, it’s more the failure to have more attacking players in general causing our chickens to come home to roost rather than Odegaard’s injury that caused this form.


We weren’t massively missing Odegaard when we won five out of the seven games in the period between September and early October. And there’s plenty of games where he’s been in the team and we’ve been utterly blunt. I think one of the other main factors is Merino, at least when we had just Rice and Partey in midfield we were creating chances, but I think Merino limits our attacking potential…honestly he shouldn’t be starting games…not a terrible player but should be no more than a squad player

Anyway I don’t know what will happen here, unbeaten against this scumbag club at their place in the last five. It’s touch and go whether Palmer is available, I don’t think his presence will really determine whether we win, lose or draw. Our defending isn’t the issue…it’s the bluntness of our attack.

If we go three games away from home without a goal, we are truly in deep shit

[Marc Overmars]

Not looking forward to this.

2-2

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not looking forward to this.

2-2

I’d take a Desmond right now tbh

[McNamara That Ghost...]

International break after this so a defeat here will be particularly awful.

[Mac76]

3-0 Jackson hatter

[Mac76]

It’s pretty dispiriting that a few weeks ago I assumed that we would be challenging for the title, and the disappointing failure to beat Liverpool along with the utterly blunt result against Newcastle seems to have ended that ambition.

I gave up after the way we failed to try to win the Brighton game, it spoke volumes about our defensive approach and attitude, which isn't that of a title-winning team

[HCZ_Reborn]

I gave up after the way we failed to try to win the Brighton game, it spoke volumes about our defensive approach and attitude, which isn't that of a title-winning team

Then again I don’t think we were guilty of not showing ambition against Inter, we just didn’t have the quality in attack to break them down. Therefore I think that had we gone for it against Brighton it’s far more likely that we would have lost rather than won, and in those circumstances I prefer a draw to a defeat.

What Arteta’s decision suggested to me was an admission that our attack was not good enough to win us the game with ten men (I agreed then and I agree now) but it’s a damning indictment on him for spending so much on defenders when that money could have been used on attacking players

[Mac76]

and in those circumstances I prefer a draw to a defeat.



That's the thing, I get a lot of people woudld disagree with me but a point at home to Brighton (and yes at time of writing they are winning against Citeh) is worth gambling away for the sake of getting two points

at the very least Arteta should have left the structure the same instead of bringing on an extra defensive player, which he'd been planning to do when we were 1-0 up but he still did it when we conceded

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's the thing, I get a lot of people woudld disagree with me but a point at home to Brighton (and yes at time of writing they are winning against Citeh) is worth gambling away for the sake of getting two points

at the very least Arteta should have left the structure the same instead of bringing on an extra defensive player, which he'd been planning to do when we were 1-0 up but he still did it when we conceded

The thing is, I would agree with you if we had more and better options in attack. On the face of it, I think at home you do want to try and assert dominance even with less men. I just think considering we leave ourselves vulnerable to the counter when playing 11 vs 11 because we don’t really have a prolific marksman, it wouldn’t have ended well.

I don’t like us being negative unless we are playing away from home against a big team

[Letters]

Not looking forward to this.

2-2

I wasn’t anyway, but City slipping again makes it feel like an absolute must win. Almost more than if they’d won in a way.

:sick:

[selassie]

I haven't posted in here in a while, been very busy with work and family stuff.

Tomorrow's game is a MUST win for us if we want to challenge for the title this season. Anything other than a win and I am pretty much ready to wave the white flag.

This season has been a painful watch for me so far as I really did fancy us for the title. The run of tough fixtures and injuries have screwed our season so far. There are other factors such as some of Arteta's decision making with the team / tactics and some very questionable ref / var decisions earlier in the season, but it is what it is.

We all know what this team is capable of and we are close to getting a fully fit squad, but they have to turn up now and start performing and winning on a consistent basis, we have no room for error now if we want to challenge for the title, we need to go on a deep winning run!

Given our current form, I am quite worried about tomorrows game, I don't know what Arsenal will turn up.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chelsea: Sanchez, Gusto, Fofana, Colwill, Cucurella, Caicedo, Lavia, Palmer, Madueke, Neto, Jackson
Subs: Jorgensen, Adarabioyo, Badiashile, Fernandez, Mudryk, Felix, Nkunku, James, Veiga

Arsenal: Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Havertz, Martinelli,
Subs: Neto, Jesus, Kiwior, Zinchenko, Trossard, Jorginho, Merino, Lewis-Skelly, Nwaneri

[Mac76]

Chelsea: Sanchez, Gusto, Fofana, Colwill, Cucurella, Caicedo, Lavia, Palmer, Madueke, Neto, Jackson
Subs: Jorgensen, Adarabioyo, Badiashile, Fernandez, Mudryk, Felix, Nkunku, James, Veiga

Arsenal: Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Havertz, Martinelli,
Subs: Neto, Jesus, Kiwior, Zinchenko, Trossard, Jorginho, Merino, Lewis-Skelly, Nwaneri

In theory that's a good team, am a bit worried about playing Rice though, especially as it gives us no excuse to keep him out of the upcoming England games

[HCZ_Reborn]

Replace Timber with Calafiori (who unfortunately is injured) and that would be our strongest team. Timber is probably the weak link of that team because he’s not inclined to get forward, nor is he particularly good on the ball

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck the England games. Our need is greater right now tbf.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Replace Timber with Calafiori (who unfortunately is injured) and that would be our strongest team. Timber is probably the weak link of that team because he’s not inclined to get forward, nor is he particularly good on the ball

I think this is our best XI but even then I don't particularly like a Partey/Rice/Odegaard midfield.

Seems to perform worse than the sum of its parts but I suppose that's not unchartered territory for us right now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think this is our best XI but even then I don't particularly like a Partey/Rice/Odegaard midfield.

Seems to perform worse than the sum of its parts but I suppose that's not unchartered territory for us right now.

Don’t agree Calafiori is a far better player than Timber…most of our attacks will once again be down the right because Timber will rarely get forward.

The problem isn’t so much the players in the triumvirate you mentioned. It’s that they are played the wrong way round. Rice should be playing 6 and Partey further forward at 8 as he’s better at pressing and passing than Rice

[Mac76]

Fuck the England games. Our need is greater right now tbf.

Calm down, I'm just saying it doesn't help if his injury is exacerbated playibg for England and we lose him for a longer period

[Marc Overmars]

Can’t give Palmer space lads.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Raya saves off Palmer.

[Mac76]

Denied a corner again

[Mac76]

We're so much better with Odegaard

[Mac76]

We're so much better with Odegaard

And now he's been flattened...

Should've been a yellow IMO

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Martinelli had to score there.

[dostoy]

Offside surely.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

HAVERTZ!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah yeah he's offside.

[Mac76]

Palmer :lol:

[Mac76]

two soft free kicks given to Chelsea there

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-0 HT.

Bit shit. That's our thing now though.

[Mac76]

purely as a spectacle it's been a decent game so far, we need to be quicker to get on the move when we have the ball in our own half, too much dawdling around

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

0-0 HT.

Bit shit. That's our thing now though.

Got to disagree with you a bit here.

We've been better than I've seen us for a while....still not where we need to be, but clearly we are moving better.

Its funny. Odegaard has hardly had much of the ball, but his presence seems to help some players play better and make better attacking decisions. It is pretty strange cause all he has done is made himself available for the ball, which most of the time they don't even give to him.

As usual, the left side of our attack lets us down with both Martinelli and Timber being below average. Partey on the other hand is a bit of a conundrum.Through out this bad patch, he's one of the few player's who can actually hold their head high. Again today, his forward passing hasn't been that great, but he has totally snuffed out Palmer, which is shocking. For that alone he deserves a medal.

We'll get 2 or 3 more good chances. Hopefully Havertz can stay onside or Martinelli can use one of his brain cells. Better yet, I just hope 2 of those chances go to Saka.

Their is hope we come away with something in this game....that's if Maressca doesn't outsmart Arteta, which TBH everyone has been doing for quite a while now.

[Mac76]

@21GS - yeah pretty much agree with all of that

Maybe this is a Trossard game where he comes on at 70 mins and gets the winner - we can only hope

[Mac76]

Not sure about the Odegaard goatee btw, looks like Shaggy from Scooby Doo

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

@21GS - yeah pretty much agree with all of that

Maybe this is a Trossard game where he comes on at 70 mins and gets the winner - we can only hope

Yeah I think so too.

The problem with Arteta is, the longer the game stays nil-nil, the more unlikely he'll try and make any subs.

I just hope he won't regret following his natural instinct as the longer this goes on, the more I see Chelsea nicking a late winner.

Simply put, we need to score first.

[Mac76]

Madueke :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

Can easily see us getting done here if these feeble attacks keep breaking down.

[Mac76]

Can easily see us getting done here if these feeble attacks keep breaking down.

I agree our balls forward and our crosses are really aimless

[Mac76]

Timber :lol:

[Mac76]

Arenal fans singing "Michael Oliver it's all about you" :good:

[Mac76]

Martinelliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

MARTINELLI!!!

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Dannmmmmmm......I've been off for the last 7 mins.

I only get to see our shit moments :(

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Not bad from Timber.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

To think Martinelli scores from the more difficult chance.

[Mac76]

damn - what a shot from Neto though

[McNamara That Ghost...]

1-1 Neto. That was poor from Havertz, just let him go.

[Mac76]

Merino :doh:

[Mac76]

that should be a red for Cucurella

[Mac76]

and a yellow for Caicedo

[Mac76]

Hopefully that knock keeps Saka out of the England games :ninja:

[Mac76]

Jesus is hopeless

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Great defending from Trossard there.

1-1 FT.

[Mac76]

how did we not score at the end?

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

A better performance than what we've become use to seeing, but honestly, at the moment, we're nothing special and pretty average.

In fact, if things stay the same, we'd be lucky to make a CL spot. We are that average now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

A better performance than what we've become use to seeing, but honestly, at the moment, we're nothing special and pretty average.

In fact, if things stay the same, we'd be lucky to make a CL spot. We are that average now.

It’s all relative isn’t it, compared to who?.


Villa, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs even City and Liverpool (who play almost all their toughest fixtures at the second half of the season)


It’s all context as well, had we not lost the last two games this would have been a decent result


It’s a case of regrouping after the break.


I don’t think we are any worse than any other team in fact in most areas we are better, but because of the fact that we’ve spent so much money in defensive areas, we don’t have a goalscorer to bail us out.

I’m disappointed to have lost to Bournemouth, drawn with Liverpool and lost to Newcastle

But I also think by far we’ve had the hardest six away fixtures of any team in the league. And the likelihood is if we can build up some form, by Xmas we will be in touch with the leaders (I don’t think there’s anyway this Liverpool team is going to be nine points ahead of us by then)

I think this is a decent side, held back by an inferior coach…but as before we can get results despite him

[selassie]

A point at Chelsea is usually not bad but we really needed to win today to get our season going. I liked some of what I saw today, but only in short spells. I don't like how we are defending this season, we have looked really shakey defensively all season, stretching far back to the Villa away game where we basically got out of jail with Watkins missing sitters.

I have personally conceeded the title this season, I think we are going to be in the chasing pack for a while if we don't improve our performances, i think 3rd is the best we can hope for this season in PL.

[HCZ_Reborn]

A point at Chelsea is usually not bad but we really needed to win today to get our season going. I liked some of what I saw today, but only in short spells. I don't like how we are defending this season, we have looked really shakey defensively all season, stretching far back to the Villa away game where we basically got out of jail with Watkins missing sitters.

I have personally conceeded the title this season, I think we are going to be in the chasing pack for a while if we don't improve our performances, i think 3rd is the best we can hope for this season in PL.

I think it will be Xmas time/new year where we can properly assesses where we are

I don’t think City are going just through a bad patch, they are heamoraging. Take away losing Rodri for the season which is a far bigger loss than Odegaard for them. Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Stones, Ederson and Walker are not the players they were…Grealish and Foden are off the boil and they can’t just buy their way out of their problem

Liverpool? I’m sorry they just don’t impress me. I think they won against a wasteful Villa team last night…with the exception of us they haven’t really been tested. They were lucky to beat Chelsea and get a point from us, and aside from that they’ve had by far the easiest fixtures.

We’ve been in shocking form since the last international break. And we definitely, definitely need a striker. There’s no way we can win the league without signing one in January. We’ve ridden our luck at times but so have a lot of teams. That’s my takeaway that no side has looked good, and because of an obdurate manager we could be in danger of missing the open opportunity to get to the top of the pack

[HCZ_Reborn]

The problem we are going to have is to break teams down that will play a deep block

The solution will be to keep players like Merino as far away from the first team as possible, if we need to bring him or Timber on for fresh legs that’s one thing. But hopefully Calafiori is back after the break and we will have more width and a quicker attack.

The other thing is Arteta has to stop being awkward and admit that this Rice at number 8 is an utter failure that has to end

[Marc Overmars]

Not worth thinking about the title at this stage, we’ve lost too much ground but granted we’ve had a lot of difficult games.

It is absolutely essential now that we put together a run of wins from now into the new year.

[selassie]

I think it will be Xmas time/new year where we can properly assesses where we are

I don’t think City are going just through a bad patch, they are heamoraging. Take away losing Rodri for the season which is a far bigger loss than Odegaard for them. Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Stones, Ederson and Walker are not the players they were…Grealish and Foden are off the boil and they can’t just buy their way out of their problem

Liverpool? I’m sorry they just don’t impress me. I think they won against a wasteful Villa team last night…with the exception of us they haven’t really been tested. They were lucky to beat Chelsea and get a point from us, and aside from that they’ve had by far the easiest fixtures.

We’ve been in shocking form since the last international break. And we definitely, definitely need a striker. There’s no way we can win the league without signing one in January. We’ve ridden our luck at times but so have a lot of teams. That’s my takeaway that no side has looked good, and because of an obdurate manager we could be in danger of missing the open opportunity to get to the top of the pack

Yeah you are probably right, at the very least we need to go on a deep winning run and it needs to start now.

I agree with you regarding City, they basically need to rebuild parts of their squad but that doesn't happen overnight. I still think they have the potential to go on a deep winning run assuming they improve, i mean they will improve, as will we.

Yep, Liverpool are being talked up but they haven't even been that good, I wasn't impressed with them against us and I've seen bit and pieces of their other games and they have not looked convincing. Despite that, 9 points is a lot to make up on them.

[selassie]

Not worth thinking about the title at this stage, we’ve lost too much ground but granted we’ve had a lot of difficult games.

It is absolutely essential now that we put together a run of wins from now into the new year.

Aye, it's still early days but we have given ourselves a mountain to climb now. I still think we are capable of going on a deep winning run now that the difficulty of our fixtures has eased up. Basically the target should be to win the remaining games this year, easier said than done, but it is definitely achievable if we can keep our main starting XI fit.

[Letters]

]It’s all context as well, had we not lost the last two games this would have been a decent result
I agree with this.
In isolation it's a pretty decent point against a side who have been doing well so far this season. And while we're here, the points vs Liverpool while a better result for them than us, wasn't a disaster either. But in the context of the other games we've lost and the bad run we've been on it's another 2 points dropped which we might not be able to afford.

That said, our season has been front loaded with difficult away games and Liverpool's hasn't. Up to and including City we were dealing with them very well, since then not so much. If Liverpool keep getting points at the rate they have then they'll end up with about 97, I cannot see them getting anywhere near that. They're going to start dropping points sooner or later, probably sooner. We've got a much kinder run up to the end of the calendar year and our run in is pretty good too so let's see where we are at the turn of the year. I don't think I'm going to throw in the towel just yet and while I am increasingly thinking Arteta has taken us as far as he can (which, it has to be admitted, is pretty far) I think we need to get further into this season before pushing any panic buttons.

The thing which concerns me is we don't have enough up front - which we haven't had for a few seasons, and continuing to not address that feels pretty negligent - and we can no longer rely on our defence to keep clean sheets. It's not an ideal combination but last 2 games (which, as is traditional now, I haven't seen) we have played a lot better by all accounts. But for a soft penalty we could have got a very creditable point in Milan and today's result was pretty good in isolation.

I don't agree Arteta is a dragging factor - I mean, we are miles ahead of where we are since he took over. And yes we've spent big but other clubs have too for much poorer return. He's taken us a long way in terms of squad cohesion and restoring the relationship between the club and the fanbase. And were it not for the City juggernaut we'd have at least one title under him, maybe two. I'm not sure he can push us over the line to land a really major trophy but I guess he deserves a bit longer to indicate otherwise. If we don't get a run of results up to Christmas given the fixtures we have then it will be very Arteta Out for me.

[selassie]

I agree with this.
In isolation it's a pretty decent point against a side who have been doing well so far this season. And while we're here, the points vs Liverpool while a better result for them than us, wasn't a disaster either. But in the context of the other games we've lost and the bad run we've been on it's another 2 points dropped which we might not be able to afford.

That said, our season has been front loaded with difficult away games and Liverpool's hasn't. Up to and including City we were dealing with them very well, since then not so much. If Liverpool keep getting points at the rate they have then they'll end up with about 97, I cannot see them getting anywhere near that. They're going to start dropping points sooner or later, probably sooner. We've got a much kinder run up to the end of the calendar year and our run in is pretty good too so let's see where we are at the turn of the year. I don't think I'm going to throw in the towel just yet and while I am increasingly thinking Arteta has taken us as far as he can (which, it has to be admitted, is pretty far) I think we need to get further into this season before pushing any panic buttons.

The thing which concerns me is we don't have enough up front - which we haven't had for a few seasons, and continuing to not address that feels pretty negligent - and we can no longer rely on our defence to keep clean sheets. It's not an ideal combination but last 2 games (which, as is traditional now, I haven't seen) we have played a lot better by all accounts. But for a soft penalty we could have got a very creditable point in Milan and today's result was pretty good in isolation.

I don't agree Arteta is a dragging factor - I mean, we are miles ahead of where we are since he took over. And yes we've spent big but other clubs have too for much poorer return. He's taken us a long way in terms of squad cohesion and restoring the relationship between the club and the fanbase. And were it not for the City juggernaut we'd have at least one title under him, maybe two. I'm not sure he can push us over the line to land a really major trophy but I guess he deserves a bit longer to indicate otherwise. If we don't get a run of results up to Christmas given the fixtures we have then it will be very Arteta Out for me.

Arteta and Edu could and should have done more to improve the offensive side of the team in the Summer, Arteta still has a chance to do so in January though I am pretty sure the main targets won't be available at any price.

I am still sitting on the fence with Arteta, I don't think he is the dragging factor, but I'm also not convinced he has what it takes to take us over the line. Last season we almost got their but that was after making a bit of a mess of the first half of the season. The same thing could well happen this season if we sort ourselves out, but is that really acceptable? We are constantly in this cycle of giving ourselves too much to do when we all see the quality of this team, they finished last season like a title winner. I realise there are levels to this, and many things make us the team we are, but is another season of falling short really acceptable if we don't win a trophy elsewhere?

Arteta does deserve a bit of time simply for the work he has done to date, but another season trophyless without a credible title challenge should raise a lot of questions about whether he is right man for the club going forward.

My expectations going into this season were title winner / title challenge, given the squad we have now and our past few seasons I don't think that is an unrealistic expectation. At the very least I honestly expected / want / hoped for a title challenge and a domestic trophy.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I agree with this.
In isolation it's a pretty decent point against a side who have been doing well so far this season. And while we're here, the points vs Liverpool while a better result for them than us, wasn't a disaster either. But in the context of the other games we've lost and the bad run we've been on it's another 2 points dropped which we might not be able to afford.

That said, our season has been front loaded with difficult away games and Liverpool's hasn't. Up to and including City we were dealing with them very well, since then not so much. If Liverpool keep getting points at the rate they have then they'll end up with about 97, I cannot see them getting anywhere near that. They're going to start dropping points sooner or later, probably sooner. We've got a much kinder run up to the end of the calendar year and our run in is pretty good too so let's see where we are at the turn of the year. I don't think I'm going to throw in the towel just yet and while I am increasingly thinking Arteta has taken us as far as he can (which, it has to be admitted, is pretty far) I think we need to get further into this season before pushing any panic buttons.

The thing which concerns me is we don't have enough up front - which we haven't had for a few seasons, and continuing to not address that feels pretty negligent - and we can no longer rely on our defence to keep clean sheets. It's not an ideal combination but last 2 games (which, as is traditional now, I haven't seen) we have played a lot better by all accounts. But for a soft penalty we could have got a very creditable point in Milan and today's result was pretty good in isolation.

I don't agree Arteta is a dragging factor - I mean, we are miles ahead of where we are since he took over. And yes we've spent big but other clubs have too for much poorer return. He's taken us a long way in terms of squad cohesion and restoring the relationship between the club and the fanbase. And were it not for the City juggernaut we'd have at least one title under him, maybe two. I'm not sure he can push us over the line to land a really major trophy but I guess he deserves a bit longer to indicate otherwise. If we don't get a run of results up to Christmas given the fixtures we have then it will be very Arteta Out for me.

I think he very much is a drag factor.

I think we’ve a set of excellent players, but it’s ridiculous that when you look at the money we have spent and less than a third has been spent on attacking or creative players. We also set up in a way that’s not getting the best out of these players

The left sided inverted full back why?

Playing Rice in almost an attacking midfield role why?

He experiments with the side and doubles down when it clearly doesn’t work. Playing Havertz in midfield.

It’s called being “Galaxy Brained” where he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

He doesn’t rotate and we risk injuries to our best players

He falls out with players

I don’t know how good this bald Dutchman is at Liverpool. But what he seems to be getting right so far is not to fuck around too much. Keep it simple

[Letters]

I think he very much is a drag factor.
I know you do, but we got 89 points last season.
If Arteta is a drag factor then that implies we'd have got well into the 90s with a better manager which given our lack of a proper striker I just don't buy.
But I do think he's probably taken us as far as he can.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I know you do, but we got 89 points last season.
If Arteta is a drag factor then that implies we'd have got well into the 90s with a better manager which given our lack of a proper striker I just don't buy.
But I do think he's probably taken us as far as he can.

The lack of a proper striker is one of the key reasons why he’s a drag factor

[Marc Overmars]

We dropped points in only 10 games last season and we’re already at 6 now. I guess you can attribute that to the fixture difficulty so far but dropping points from winning positions in the big games is something we rarely did last season, more often than not we got the job done when it mattered. This season we have regressed and are not the same team, it is messy and not anywhere near as ruthless.

We’ll know for sure after the break if this team can challenge again because if we don’t string together some wins it’s almost certainly over regardless of what Liverpool are doing.

[HCZ_Reborn]

We dropped points in only 10 games last season and we’re already at 6 now. I guess you can attribute that to the fixture difficulty so far but dropping points from winning positions in the big games is something we rarely did last season, more often than not we got the job done when it mattered. This season we have regressed and are not the same team, it is messy and not anywhere near as ruthless.

We’ll know for sure after the break if this team can challenge again because if we don’t string together some wins it’s almost certainly over regardless of what Liverpool are doing.

Spurs at home we dropped points from a winning position, as we did against Liverpool at Anfield

Also the fact is, I’d say it’s hugely unlikely that the team that wins the title will do so with the same high points total as in the last two seasons.

[Marc Overmars]

Forgot about that Spurs game. 3 big games though we’ve failed to see out so far and imagine it won’t stop here.

Yeah unless Liverpool go all peak Klopp I think the title can possibly be won with less than 90 points this season. Whether we will sort ourselves out to be in that conversation though, I don’t know now.