Champions League Last 16 "Draw", 21/02 11am GMT

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Atletico Madrid
Barcelona
Bayer Leverkusen
Bayern Munich
Benfica
Borussia Dortmund
Club Brugge
Feyenoord
Inter Milan
Lille
Liverpool
PSV
Paris Saint-Germain
Real Madrid

Those are the teams but we can only face Feyenoord or PSV.

Feyenoord it seems will be appointing RVP as head coach. :wacko:

[Chippy]

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Atletico Madrid
Barcelona
Bayer Leverkusen
Bayern Munich
Benfica
Borussia Dortmund
Club Brugge
Feyenoord
Inter Milan
Lille
Liverpool
PSV
Paris Saint-Germain
Real Madrid

Those are the teams but we can only face Feyenoord or PSV.

Feyenoord it seems will be appointing RVP as head coach. :wacko:

Not a bad draw for us.
If we get through to the last eight, Saka and Martinelli should be back like new signings and you never know........:):trophy:

[Mac76]

Feyenoord it seems will be appointing RVP as head coach. :wacko:

Let's hope he's as successful as Van Nistelhorse

[Marc Overmars]

Good draw but never underestimate our ability to flop in Europe.

[HCZ_Reborn]

PSV beat us in the round of 16 in 2007.

I think win the tie (against them or Feyenoord) or not, we will definitely make heavy weather of it.

[Chippy]

Good draw but never underestimate our ability to flop in Europe.

Yep!
I watched the Madrid v City game last night. I am not sure if City are terrible or Madrid are bloody good.

I wouldnt fancy us against them.

[Letters]

I am not sure if City are terrible.
I mean, we beat them 5-1, so...
City are a busted flush. But I wouldn't fancy us against Real either.

[Chippy]

I mean, we beat them 5-1, so...
City are a busted flush. But I wouldn't fancy us against Real either.

Busted flush :lol:

Lets hope Haaland is humble this morning :d

[Marc Overmars]

We got PSV

[dazthegooner]

And Liverpool get PSG

[HCZ_Reborn]

We got PSV

Was always going to be PSV, the same way we always used to get drawn with Olympiakos in the group stages :lol:

I wouldn’t have minded Feyenoord just for a change, but to be fair on our travelling support…Rotterdam is a dump

[Marc Overmars]

Should we get past PSV, we’ll face one of the Madrid teams. :lol:

:rose:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway our record against these lot is 4 wins 4 draws and 2 defeats


PSV 0-4 Arsenal 2002
Arsenal 0-0 PSV 2002
Arsenal 1-0 PSV 2004 (I went to this game if I remember)
PSV 1-1 Arsenal 2004
PSV 1-0 Arsenal 2007
Arsenal 1-1 PSV 2007
Arsenal 1-0 PSV 2022
PSV 2-0 Arsenal 2022
Arsenal 4-0 PSV 2023
PSV 1-1 Arsenal 2023

[Mac76]

We got PSV

From thinking the CL was our best hope, I think I'm starting to pivot back to the league

Even if we beat PSV the CL opposition is too strong for us in the state we're in IMO

But if we do the job tomorrow and Citeh can beat the scousers on Sunday, it has to be declared back on for the PL, we can maybe pub it through if Liverpool stumble

[Marc Overmars]

From thinking the CL was our best hope, I think I'm starting to pivot back to the league

Even if we beat PSV the CL opposition is too strong for us in the state we're in IMO

But if we do the job tomorrow and Citeh can beat the scousers on Sunday, it has to be declared back on for the PL, we can maybe pub it through if Liverpool stumble

If they don’t beat City and Newcastle and win the next 2 which includes a mega tough game at Forest, then you have to say it’s back on despite our lack of options.

But given the state our squad is in I’m just thinking about the next game and only that. Every match feels like a banana skin now with the makeshift front 3.

[HCZ_Reborn]

What probably needs to be noted about Liverpool is that whilst they may be dropping points they aren’t losing

Yeah a draw may only yield one point, but defeats are damaging to morale. And they are coming away from games thinking “we can’t be beaten”

To a degree the same is true for us, although we don’t have Salah as a get out of jail free card

However we have not conceded more than two goals in a game nor have we lost after taking the lead in over a year.

[Letters]

We haven't lost in 15. Hopefully City batter Liverpool and they start to wobble a bit. But with 3 points for a win a couple of draws can be damaging enough.
With a full squad I'd be pretty confident of putting some real pressure on. As it is...we have somehow found a way to muddle through so far this season. Nwaneri is a ray of hope. If Saka can come back soon then maybe we have a chance of doing something.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My understanding is that it’s hoped Martinelli and Saka will be available for our game against Fulham on April 1st. So that’s six games we can expect to be without them

If we are five points or fewer behind Liverpool by then, it’s up for grabs.


Liverpool would probably like a cushion by the time May rolls around where they have to play Chelsea away, us at home and Brighton away.


To be honest after the City game with the exception of maybe Fulham away, Liverpool have far easier fixtures than us (in my view) between February and May


Newcastle (H) - Newcastle haven’t won at Anfield since 1994 and have lost on their last three visits

Southampton (H) - Lol

Everton (H) - Yeah don’t see Everton taking points off Liverpool on a title charge at Anfield

Fulham (A) - Always depends what Fulham turns up

West Ham (H) - Not as Lol as Southampton but still

Leicester (A) - As above

Tottenham (H) - :haha:

[Letters]

it’s up for grabs.
Now?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I think it will still be "up for grabs now" come our game in May.

I still think this is true.

No team right now is the blunderbuss the likes of us and City (and to a lesser extent you :ninja:) have been the last however-many years. I don't think anyone will be, or need to be, for the next few years. If ever again.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I still think this is true.

No team right now is the blunderbuss the likes of us and City (and to a lesser extent you :ninja:) have been the last however-many years. I don't think anyone will be, or need to be, for the next few years. If ever again.

It really depends where we are come May 1st. After City at the weekend you have five home games and only two away games barring a downturn in form, most if not all those games should be wins for you.

Chelsea (a), Arsenal (h), Brighton (a) and Palace (h) are not games I’d want to be concluding the season with


But the strong possibility arises that you could be far away from us by then


Our next three away games are Forest, United and Everton. Forest as you well know are a team that can cause problems and they have a goalkeeper that is practically impossible to score against (unless you’re Bournemouth). United well given their home form that should be a comfortable win but there’s too much history in that fixture for us to ever be confident and Everton is often a bear trap of a fixture for us. If we win all three of those games yeah you might have cause to be worried but that’s a huge if.

The other thing is as I said earlier is you guys are not losing games which for me makes a big difference. I think there’s a huge difference psychologically (especially away from home) between drawing and losing. A draw isn’t a bad result at Villa simply because almost no one wins there (we were lucky to).


The way you conceded that 98th minute goal to Everton must have been a bit of a blow, but then you could say the same about the Newcastle game and you went on to get a draw with ten men against Fulham and then score 14 goals in the next three games.

The other factor is that Liverpool have not won more than four league games in a row this season. We haven’t won more than three (we break that if we beat West Ham tomorrow). But ultimately I’ll be honest I don’t see things swinging towards us unless Salah picks up an injury…feels to me that he’s your get out of jail free card…he’s helped you to do enough when you haven’t necessarily been at your best

[Mac76]

My understanding is that it’s hoped Martinelli and Saka will be available for our game against Fulham on April 1st. So that’s six games we can expect to be without them

If we are five points or fewer behind Liverpool by then, it’s up for grabs.


Liverpool would probably like a cushion by the time May rolls around where they have to play Chelsea away, us at home and Brighton away.


To be honest after the City game with the exception of maybe Fulham away, Liverpool have far easier fixtures than us (in my view) between February and May


Newcastle (H) - Newcastle haven’t won at Anfield since 1994 and have lost on their last three visits

Southampton (H) - Lol

Everton (H) - Yeah don’t see Everton taking points off Liverpool on a title charge at Anfield

Fulham (A) - Always depends what Fulham turns up

West Ham (H) - Not as Lol as Southampton but still

Leicester (A) - As above

Tottenham (H) - :haha:

That's pretty depressingly easy as run-ins go, though you may be underestimating Everton a little and dropping points at Fulham is possible, but we won't get enough points to stop them

My short burst of mild optimism is now gone :(

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah of course it’s possible for Everton to get something against Liverpool (I don’t personally see it happening but it’s entirely possible) and Fulham as I said it depends which Fulham turns up.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's pretty depressingly easy as run-ins go, though you may be underestimating Everton a little and dropping points at Fulham is possible, but we won't get enough points to stop them

My short burst of mild optimism is now gone :(

Depends if some of those teams have any chance of staying up by the time their game arrives. Will make a huge difference. Southampton could be as good as gone, Leicester and West Ham might still be fighting it out. Slim hopes but Liverpool always had to throw it away, it was never in our hands. Best we can do is win every game. Do that and at least put Liverpool on notice for next season.