Arsenal.com sticking a massive middle finger up at the media

[Ollie the Optimist]

after all the bollocks the media spouting baout our low attendance and bashing of our club and fans, the website has put this up. shame sky etc wont mention the facts as it means they cant laugh and have a go at Arsenal anymore


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Arsenal Football Club has thanked fans who proved their loyalty by turning up in huge numbers to support the team on Tuesday night for the Carling Cup Third Round match against Shrewsbury Town.

The 46,539 tickets sold against League Two side Shrewsbury Town was the biggest in the Carling Cup Third Round and the second highest of all the 26 matches played in the Premier League and Carling Cup since the weekend.

An Arsenal spokesman said: “We would like to thank our fans for their fantastic support. The Carling Cup competition is not part of the Arsenal season ticket package and we also have a run of three home matches in the space of eight days, so this was a magnificent show of support. It was also great to see so many Shrewsbury fans at the game. They helped create a terrific atmosphere”

Attendances of all Premier League played over the weekend of Saturday 17th September 2011 and Carling Cup Third Round matches played on Tuesday 20th and Wednesday 21st September:

ATTENDANCES
Manchester United v Chelsea
Premier League
75,455


Arsenal v Shrewsbury Town
Carling Cup
46,539


Chelsea v Fulham
Carling Cup
37,632


Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool
Premier League
36,129


Aston Villa v Newcastle United
Premier League
34,248


Sunderland v Stoke City
Premier League
32,296


Everton v Wigan Athletic
Premier League
31,576


Leeds United v Manchester United
Carling Cup
31,031


Manchester City v Birmingham City
Carling Cup
25,070


Fulham v Manchester City
Premier League
24,750


Wolverhampton Wanderers v QPR
Premier League
24,189


Blackburn Rovers v Arsenal
Premier League
22,637


Aston Villa v Bolton Wanderers
Carling Cup
22,261


Brighton & Hove Albion v Liverpool
Carling Cup
21,897


Bolton Wanderers v Norwich City
Premier League
21,223


Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion
Premier League
20,431


Everton v West Bromwich Albion
Carling Cup
17,647


Stoke City v Tottenham Hotspur
Carling Cup
15,023


Nottingham Forest v Newcastle United
Carling Cup
10,208


Cardiff City v Leicester City
Carling Cup
8,697


Wolverhampton Wanderers v Millwall
Carling Cup
7,749


Southampton v Preston
Carling Cup
7,414


Blackburn Rovers v Leyton Orient
Carling Cup
7,104


Crystal Palace v Middlesbrough
Carling Cup
5,448


Burnley v MK Dons
Carling Cup
4,134


Aldershot v Rochdale
Carling Cup
3,334


In addition to the Arsenal supporters inside Emirates Stadium on Tuesday, over 27,000 Arsenal Members watched the full delayed coverage of our victory over Shrewsbury Town on Arsenal Player.

[Cripps_orig]

Compare it to past attendances of our games in the same round in the same competition and that attendance is 10,000 odd less than the next one.

Comparing it to other attendances from other games when we have such a big ass stadium tells us f all.

Media are right. It was the lowest Emirates crowd since we moved there and the fans are voting with their feet

[Ollie the Optimist]

Compare it to past attendances of our games in the same round in the same competition and that attendance is 10,000 odd less than the next one.

Comparing it to other attendances from other games when we have such a big ass stadium tells us f all.

Media are right. It was the lowest Emirates crowd since we moved there and the fans are voting with their feet

not really, yes its a bigger stadium but chelsea fulham was a derby game, they were 5000 people short of full captacity, that says something to me but it didnt get mentioned by the media

[Power n Glory]

But hasn't that always been the case with Chelsea? They always find it hard to shod tickets, right?

It doesn't matter what other clubs do in comparison, if we're 10,000 short compared to last year then that is saying something. I was able to get tickets for a £10. That's cheap. Have we ever had a situation where the tickets are that cheap and we don't fill the stadium? This looks like the first and it's no coincidence.

[Power n Glory]

Also, I really don't like the idea of the club using the site to 'spin' an agenda and paint a picture of everything being rosy. People aren't idiots and assuming a few positive press stories will sway things is pretty insulting.

[Ollie the Optimist]

But hasn't that always been the case with Chelsea? They always find it hard to shod tickets, right?

It doesn't matter what other clubs do in comparison, if we're 10,000 short compared to last year then that is saying something. I was able to get tickets for a £10. That's cheap. Have we ever had a situation where the tickets are that cheap and we don't fill the stadium? This looks like the first and it's no coincidence.

well yes, i dont think we really have ever sold out the stadium in the CC, i remember a few years ago we had scum in semi final and we only had 50 odd thousand, we were at least 5000 short of capaticty iirc. and tickets then were only a tenner.

your other point, i think its right the site did try to defend itself, the media had suddenly started bashing the club over it so they put it out to actually show the media how wrong they were

[Cripps_orig]

Also, I really don't like the idea of the club using the site to 'spin' an agenda and paint a picture of everything being rosy. People aren't idiots and assuming a few positive press stories will sway things is pretty insulting.

Did you miss the first post of this thread?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Did you miss the first post of this thread?

and this coming from the man who wants us to sign Hargreaves on the basis he scored a goal against a championship club :lol:

[Cripps_orig]

and this coming from the man who wants us to sign Hargreaves on the basis he scored a goal against a championship club :lol:

Could be worse. I could be like you and think the Arsenal site werent proved wrong by the media cos they compared our attendance to a team like Aldershots :lol:

[LDG]

6%

[Power n Glory]

The capacity for Stamford Bridge is just over 41,000. A game for 37,000 is pretty good.

[Marc Overmars]

Who gives a fuck what the media think.

[Fist of Lehmann]

6%What, so now we're three times further away from domination than we were before?

[LDG]

What, so now we're three times further away from domination than we were before?

I reckon Arsene got mixed up with abomination and domination.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I reckon Arsene got mixed up with abomination and domination.Hmm, I'd go for sado-masochism personally.

But that's just me.

[Joker]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

[LDG]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

FMF!!!!

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Clutching at straws- the whole demeanour of this club is getting desperately pathetic. They'll probably start spamming before throwing money at the problem and then handing out free vietnamese t-shirts.

[fakeyank]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

Ollie :rose:

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Ollie :rose:

A real shame on anyone who still falls for this sort of crap in 2011 :rose:

[Ollie the Optimist]

ok you lot just seem to be wanting to bash the club for everything they do. no point debating anymore, you jsut going to bash the club anyway

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

And your context doesn't take in to consideration us playing a League Two side. This could go on forever.

[fakeyank]

And your context doesn't take in to consideration us playing a League Two side. This could go on forever.

Bottom line really is that Arsenal.com didnt need to publish that story. It just smacks of desperation. Who are they trying to kid really? During the Liverpool game, there were empty seats in the front row, game against Swansea was also empty.. now when I say empty, I dont mean a barren stadium but compared to Arsenal standards. From what I hear, it seems tickets are going on General Sale. When did that happen on a regular basis earlier?

Arsenal has a lot of negativity around the football club and its not going to go away by posting shit articles like that. In fact, they should stop posting anything on that website. Do your talking and playing on the football field.. if they can manage to do that, the fans will come around themselves.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bottom line really is that Arsenal.com didnt need to publish that story. It just smacks of desperation. Who are they trying to kid really? During the Liverpool game, there were empty seats in the front row, game against Swansea was also empty.. now when I say empty, I dont mean a barren stadium but compared to Arsenal standards. From what I hear, it seems tickets are going on General Sale. When did that happen on a regular basis earlier?

Arsenal has a lot of negativity around the football club and its not going to go away by posting shit articles like that. In fact, they should stop posting anything on that website. Do your talking and playing on the football field.. if they can manage to do that, the fans will come around themselves.

Desperation to praise our supporters? This is strange. The club is supposedly run by people who could not care less about the supporters, an article is put on the website though perhaps not entirely accurate, it's at least nice to see the club thanking those supporters that went to the game. There are a lot of things to be het up about, articles on the website of this nature are not one of them.

The statement posted on the website says this too:
It was also great to see so many Shrewsbury fans at the game.

I guess that's another nefarious attempt at brainwashing Arsenal supporters.

[Özim]

This info is 2% away from being total nonsense.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Bottom line really is that Arsenal.com didnt need to publish that story. It just smacks of desperation. Who are they trying to kid really? During the Liverpool game, there were empty seats in the front row, game against Swansea was also empty.. now when I say empty, I dont mean a barren stadium but compared to Arsenal standards. From what I hear, it seems tickets are going on General Sale. When did that happen on a regular basis earlier?

Arsenal has a lot of negativity around the football club and its not going to go away by posting shit articles like that. In fact, they should stop posting anything on that website. Do your talking and playing on the football field.. if they can manage to do that, the fans will come around themselves.

The Liverpool game was sold out. It started pouring rain so people scarpered from the first 8-9 rows. Well all of them did except for Adzz who turned up at the Pins looking like a drowned rat. I explained this when you raised it the first time a few weeks back.

Things are bad - no doubt about that, but there is no need to bullshit things worse than they are.

[Özim]

Arsenal.com really never has anything worth reading on it, I'm sure when we got thrashed 8-2 they spun it around saying we scored "two great goals".

It's like Wenger in a website.

[Ollie the Optimist]

And your context doesn't take in to consideration us playing a League Two side. This could go on forever.

exactly. for leeds to only have 80% is pretty crap when you think of the history, those two clubs hate each other and well for leeds atm, is a massive game given its united. i would have expected that to have been sold out.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Arsenal.com really never has anything worth reading on it, I'm sure when we got thrashed 8-2 they spun it around saying we scored "two great goals".

It's like Wenger in a website.

so basically we are moaning now cos the clubs website has tried to stick up for its fans getting a whole load of shit from sky etc for not turning up?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal.com really never has anything worth reading on it, I'm sure when we got thrashed 8-2 they spun it around saying we scored "two great goals".

It's like Wenger in a website.

As if any other club website isn't slightly partisan. :lol: Also, if you mean on the match report, I don't believe they say what you say they did. Certainly they did not 'spin it round', there was a slightly optimistic feel to it but there was an acceptance of it being a pretty awful day.

[Özim]

so basically we are moaning now cos the clubs website has tried to stick up for its fans getting a whole load of shit from sky etc for not turning up?
Fans aren't getting stick for not turning up, the attendances have been pretty good all things considered. Besides I think everyone would understand why people wouldn't turn up, prices are sky high, the football is rubbish and the summer was shite.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Fans aren't getting stick for not turning up, the attendances have been pretty good all things considered. Besides I think everyone would understand why people wouldn't turn up, prices are sky high, the football is rubbish and the summer was shite.

they are. the whole fucking media were on it laughing baout how the fans werent turning up etc. the clubs website then tried to defend them. theres stuff we can moan about but the website defending its fans isnt one and is in fact quite good. at least its an attempt to show the fans they care, just like with the refund. they didnt have too but they did

[Özim]

As if any other club website isn't slightly partisan. :lol: Also, if you mean on the match report, I don't believe they say what you say they did. Certainly they did not 'spin it round', there was a slightly optimistic feel to it but there was an acceptance of it being a pretty awful day.
:lol: Only slightly......really?

I'm not sure how you can be optimistic after being battered 8-2, well unless you're as lacking in observational abilities as a certain Mr Wenger that is.

Anyway it's not just the optimistic stuff, it's just the content is very lame generally.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol: Only slightly......really?

I'm not sure how you can be optimistic after being battered 8-2, well unless you're as lacking in observational abilities as a certain Mr Wenger that is.

Anyway it's not just the optimistic stuff, it's just the content is very lame generally.

Well it just said the season is still in its formative stage, which is true but probably not what you want to be reading at that time. A lot of the good content is hidden away, or left untouched, for obvious reasons - like the History section for example but you can't keep re-reading it I suppose.

[Özim]

they are. the whole fucking media were on it laughing baout how the fans werent turning up etc. the clubs website then tried to defend them. theres stuff we can moan about but the website defending its fans isnt one and is in fact quite good. at least its an attempt to show the fans they care, just like with the refund. they didnt have too but they did
From what I've seen it's Wenger they're laughing at, not the fans.

[fakeyank]

The Liverpool game was sold out. It started pouring rain so people scarpered from the first 8-9 rows. Well all of them did except for Adzz who turned up at the Pins looking like a drowned rat. I explained this when you raised it the first time a few weeks back.

Things are bad - no doubt about that, but there is no need to bullshit things worse than they are.

I dont remember you quoting me so my bad about not reading every post on GW religiously! I do not understand why fans would scamper away at rain falling on a summer day but thats not part of the discussion. If I got the facts wrong about the Liverpool game based on watching it on TV and not reading all the messages on GW, I do apologise. I still do stick with the part that attendance are on the lower side and it will only get worse if the performance of this season continues!

[fakeyank]

Desperation to praise our supporters? This is strange. The club is supposedly run by people who could not care less about the supporters, an article is put on the website though perhaps not entirely accurate, it's at least nice to see the club thanking those supporters that went to the game. There are a lot of things to be het up about, articles on the website of this nature are not one of them.

The statement posted on the website says this too:

I guess that's another nefarious attempt at brainwashing Arsenal supporters.

Oh the club loves it supporters when they spend the $$. If the board could kill a fan and make money off of it, I am sure they would. They are realizing that things around the club are not all rosy so they trying to goad back the supporters..

As for 'hettin' up about this, I am sure most on here could care a F less about this article until it was brought on as a thread where it seemed like we are against some sort of gross media injustice. The only injustice Arsenal fans are suffering right now is from the manager and the board.. media is doing its job like it normally does.

[Coney]

The Liverpool game was sold out. It started pouring rain so people scarpered from the first 8-9 rows. Well all of them did except for Adzz who turned up at the Pins looking like a drowned rat. I explained this when you raised it the first time a few weeks back.

Things are bad - no doubt about that, but there is no need to bullshit things worse than they are.

Yeah - I met him on the way to the Pins and he was wetter than a Letters joke.

Wet Adzz. :pal:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh the club loves it supporters when they spend the $$. If the board could kill a fan and make money off of it, I am sure they would. They are realizing that things around the club are not all rosy so they trying to goad back the supporters..

As for 'hettin' up about this, I am sure most on here could care a F less about this article until it was brought on as a thread where it seemed like we are against some sort of gross media injustice. The only injustice Arsenal fans are suffering right now is from the manager and the board.. media is doing its job like it normally does.

Right so your objection to it now is that someone posted about it, yet otherwise you couldn't care? A couple of posts ago you were saying they shouldn't be posting anything on the website!

Anything they do is going to be treated with cynicism, clearly.

[Niall_Quinn]

Who gives a fuck what the media think.

Yep.

Who can blame the club for being positive? We want them to be positive at least, even if they can't translate that into anything tangible. And who can blame the fans if they are negative. Everything is normal, even the media which has to make shit up because their sponsors won't let them reports any real or useful news.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

Just go with the bottom line, that's all that counts these days anyway. Who banked the most cash? Probably us.

[fakeyank]

Right so your objection to it now is that someone posted about it, yet otherwise you couldn't care? A couple of posts ago you were saying they shouldn't be posting anything on the website!

Anything they do is going to be treated with cynicism, clearly.

Yup, I wouldnt have cared to reply if it wasnt posted on GW as if the world was against us...

As for cynicism, look what the club has done to us over the years.. I hate being like this but the club hasnt given the fans much cause for optimism in the last 4-5 seasons.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I dont remember you quoting me so my bad about not reading every post on GW religiously! I do not understand why fans would scamper away at rain falling on a summer day but thats not part of the discussion. If I got the facts wrong about the Liverpool game based on watching it on TV and not reading all the messages on GW, I do apologise. I still do stick with the part that attendance are on the lower side and it will only get worse if the performance of this season continues!

Nobody left, they went under cover, giving the appearance of empty seats, it chucked it down. And I'm just putting you straight on the situation. It is poor, but lets not exaggerate.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yup, I wouldnt have cared to reply if it wasnt posted on GW as if the world was against us...

As for cynicism, look what the club has done to us over the years.. I hate being like this but the club hasnt given the fans much cause for optimism in the last 4-5 seasons.

Really?

That isn't the impression I'm getting.

[Niall_Quinn]

Death to Arsenal! Down with Arsenal! A pox on Arsenal! Ha, Ha, Arsenal lost! We're shit and we know we are! And I say that as a true fan!

Lets' not confuse the club we support with the cunts who run it. Chalk and cheese.

[fakeyank]

Really?

That isn't the impression I'm getting.

Nah I was just kidding.. I love being miserable. I mean who doesnt?! Watching your team get humiliated week in week out, falling from being one of the best teams in Europe to losing to all and sundry.. it is partay time!

[Champagne Charlie]

Personally I really don't see too much wrong with the club running with this article. The media (and some Arsenal fans) are using anything they can at the moment to put us down and depict a club in crisis, but for me 46,000 against a league 2 team is a fucking good turn out all things considered.

[The Wengerbabies]

:lol: How pathetic, the club is really clutching at straws. Whats even more astonishing is that some (the OP) are buying into this crap.

Arsenal :rose:

[Coney]

If we win, I couldn't give a toss.

[GP]

Personally I really don't see too much wrong with the club running with this article. The media (and some Arsenal fans) are using anything they can at the moment to put us down and depict a club in crisis, but for me 46,000 against a league 2 team is a fucking good turn out all things considered.

Well exactly. All the article really says is 'Thanks for your support'

But yeah, how dare they?? :angry:

[Power n Glory]

That's not what the OP is arguing. Look at the thread title.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That's not what the OP is arguing. Look at the thread title.

Which would be fine if people were saying: well I think Ollie is wrong with the way he interprets but at the same time there isn't anything really wrong with it. They aren't though.

[Ollie the Optimist]

my point was that the media have been all over us this week knocking every fucking thing about this club, esp with teh attendance for the CC. did they mention munich and istantbul chanting from leeds and united did they fuck. they just bashed us cos they wanted to. my point was the website sticking up for the club and actually showing the media their facts were wrong.

[Power n Glory]

Which would be fine if people were saying: well I think Ollie is wrong with the way he interprets but at the same time there isn't anything really wrong with it. They aren't though.

What if people feel there is something wrong with what the site is doing?

I’ve got a problem with the site presenting misleading information, especially when it’s used as a response to tabloid junk printed but at the same time using the same sort of tabloid tactics we often see week in week out. It’s spin and hypocritical.

Thanking the fans for turning up is okay but printing misleading stats is another. If it’s a response to stories about the attendance drop, there is no need to respond to it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What if people feel there is something wrong with what the site is doing?

I’ve got a problem with the site presenting misleading information, especially when it’s used as a response to tabloid junk printed but at the same time using the same sort of tabloid tactics we often see week in week out. It’s spin and hypocritical.

Thanking the fans for turning up is okay but printing misleading stats is another. If it’s a response to stories about the attendance drop, there is no need to respond to it.

Well if that's the case then others are entitled to consider it a 'thank you' and nothing else, regardless of what the OP might have said. They're only misleading stats if you interpret them as misleading. Someone could just as feasibly say we drew 40,000 thousand+ despite playing a League Two side.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Or more precisely one could say ' we achieved our lowest ever attendance by a mile at our new home, despite offering long in advance our cheapest ever tickets, despite our fans fully knowing we are going through one of our most challenging periods in a generation, despite playing a league two side which i believe we've done several times before'. But doing it like this would make it sound like......um..... news.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Part of growing up is realising you have to take the good with the bad- for years the media has praised up on two things, the way our club is run financially and our attendance, especially for cup games. If they feel they got it wrong about the former, and now the latter is beginning to diminish, do they not have the right to change their mind or at least report the news?

[Ironing]

This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64&d=1316703053

As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.

This is absolute fucking bollocks i'm afraid. Capacity percentage is only worth noting if THE GAME HAS SOLD OUT. Amazingly, NONE of those games sold out, therefore the stadium capacity is limiting NO-ONE... yet we still have more fans attending our game, agasint nobodies, then most others. I mean, what excuse do man city have for barely selling half their capacity? Fucking dreadful support

Joker :rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Or more precisely one could say ' we achieved our lowest ever attendance by a mile at our new home, despite offering long in advance our cheapest ever tickets, despite our fans fully knowing we are going through one of our most challenging periods in a generation, despite playing a league two side which i believe we've done several times before'. But doing it like this would make it sound like......um..... news.

Yeah, all those times we've faced League Two opposition. Which was when, exactly?

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Oh no, have your beloved Plymouth gone to the conference already?? ok, though you are making this thread f@cking pedantic i will try again. Shrewsbury is the smallest team we have played in the emirates, ok. Definitely three of the other smallest teams we have played at home are orient, plymouth and huddersfield. Average attendance for those games was 59000, and two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believe :pleasenotethewordbelieve: our worst ever attendance before this debacle was the spud game where people didn't show up cause we knew their was a huge chance our kids would be embarrassed and we'd lose- yet 53000 braved it and took the humiliation. We have a long proud track record of fans who come out for what some others would term the 'small people', yes we may be quiet but at least we are f@cking there..... Until now. IMO the only responsible thing for our club to have done in this situation should have been to shut it and finally f@cking listen.nd two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believe :pleasenotethewordbelieve: our worst ever attendance before this debacle was the spud game where people didn't show up cause we knew their was a huge chance our kids would be embarrassed and we'd lose- yet 53000 braved it and took the humiliation. We have a long proud track record of fans who come out for what some others would term the 'small people', yes we may be quiet but at least we are f@cking there..... Until now. IMO the only responsible thing for our club to have done in this situation should have been to shut it and finally f@cking listen.

[Ironing]

:p

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

considering how fans have been systematically and figuratively raped through hiking of ticket prices and a summer of transfer market incompetence, I have to say that the website's assertion that 46,000 is not a bad attendance for a mid-week cup tie against league two opposition is a fair one, it's hard to say whether it's low comparably because we have never played league two opposition at the emirates stadium prior to the match.

I think though that it cannot be ignored that a lot of the tickets are going on general sale, when hardly any (especially not weekend league fixtures) did so the previous season.........and it'd be hard to condemn fans for doing this.

Since the carling cup defeat we have played....nine times at home.....netting ten times......a statistic skewed by the 5-0 win over leyton orient, and if you remove that fixture from the equation....we have scored five goals in the last eight games at the emirates stadium, so essentially fans probably don't have a high expectation of entertainment (i mean you would probably feel less inclined to go to the cinema to watch a film if you thought it was going to be crap wouldn't you?)

Statistics seem to show that at home we don't ship many goals but neither do we score any, and away from home we are more free scoring but also calamitous at defending (17 goals scored and 23 conceded in last nine league games) and maybe purely for entertainment value there doesn't seem to be any drop in attendance of away fixtures (this is probably because most away fixtures are attended by the hardcore contingent as well)

The last game i went to see was Udinese at home and was struck by the bald patches of seats in the stands

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh no, have your beloved Plymouth gone to the conference already?? ok, though you are making this thread f@cking pedantic i will try again. Shrewsbury is the smallest team we have played in the emirates, ok. Definitely three of the other smallest teams we have played at home are orient, plymouth and huddersfield. Average attendance for those games was 59000, and two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believe :pleasenotethewordbelieve: our worst ever attendance before this debacle was the spud game where people didn't show up cause we knew their was a huge chance our kids would be embarrassed and we'd lose- yet 53000 braved it and took the humiliation. We have a long proud track record of fans who come out for what some others would term the 'small people', yes we may be quiet but at least we are f@cking there..... Until now. IMO the only responsible thing for our club to have done in this situation should have been to shut it and finally f@cking listen.nd two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believe :pleasenotethewordbelieve: our worst ever attendance before this debacle was the spud game where people didn't show up cause we knew their was a huge chance our kids would be embarrassed and we'd lose- yet 53000 braved it and took the humiliation. We have a long proud track record of fans who come out for what some others would term the 'small people', yes we may be quiet but at least we are f@cking there..... Until now. IMO the only responsible thing for our club to have done in this situation should have been to shut it and finally f@cking listen.

No, Plymouth have had their debt taken care of (at least enough not to go under), it's paying the players that is the problem now.

Anyway, does the fact they were FA Cup games play a part? I mean that's a genuine question. I mean if it does make a difference and we're going to compare I'd have thought it probably has to be Carling Cup matches to Carling Cup matches. And also, I believe Cup games mean a greater attendance for away fans then say if we faced them in the league. Does anybody know of what allocation Shrewsbury sold and what allocation they had? Plymouth have a fair few fans, not that I am going to pretend they're huge because they're the closest Football League team (for the timton e being) to Cornwall and alongside Plymouth's population, which is comparable with Nottingham I think. I'm not going to pretend I know a huge amount about Leyton Orient or Huddersfield, except that Leyton Orient are in London.

Making this thread pedantic? :lol: If you're going to post in a ranting style and clearly this article has riled you like some others and say things that are erroneous, I'm quite right to correct you if you're going to attempt a comparison, otherwise the comparison isn't valid.

I really don't understand why the Arsenal website should need to be 'responsible' or anything. We're talking about a club website, it's going to be slightly partisan (just like any other one). And what do you mean 'listen', listen and then do what? What would you want them to do that would make it ok to be so bold as to post a thank you to supporters on the club website?

[Joker]

This is absolute fucking bollocks i'm afraid. Capacity percentage is only worth noting if THE GAME HAS SOLD OUT. Amazingly, NONE of those games sold out, therefore the stadium capacity is limiting NO-ONE... yet we still have more fans attending our game, agasint nobodies, then most others. I mean, what excuse do man city have for barely selling half their capacity? Fucking dreadful support

Joker :rose:

There are other reasons why we got a higher attendance than others. Arsenal fans generally have higher incomes than fans living in Manchester, and this combined with the extremely cheap ticket prices should have resulted in a more full stadium. Moreover, the price decrease would be more noticeable to Arsenal fans given the extortionate prices we have to face so you'd expect a greater change in demand because of it.

And anyway, this attendance is including Shrewsbury who sold out their allocation, unlike other away teams who barely took any fans to the CC games. I'd bet if we look at only the Arsenal fans' attendance, you'd find we're lower than many teams.

[Marc Overmars]

I've always thought away allocations for the Carling Cup were 10%, same as the FA Cup. Not sure though.

[Ollie the Optimist]

There are other reasons why we got a higher attendance than others. Arsenal fans generally have higher incomes than fans living in Manchester, and this combined with the extremely cheap ticket prices should have resulted in a more full stadium. Moreover, the price decrease would be more noticeable to Arsenal fans given the extortionate prices we have to face so you'd expect a greater change in demand because of it.

And anyway, this attendance is including Shrewsbury who sold out their allocation, unlike other away teams who barely took any fans to the CC games. I'd bet if we look at only the Arsenal fans' attendance, you'd find we're lower than many teams.

can i just where you got that made up fact from?

[Joker]

can i just where you got that made up fact from?

Come on man, you know it's true. Our supporters are generally from London and the Home Counties. The Home Counties definitely have higher income than Cities in the North West like Manchester, and while of course we do have many fans on relatively low incomes in London (especially in working class areas like Stoke Newington), these incomes will still be higher than of supporters of clubs like Burnley, Man City, Blackburn etc. You only have to look at the Office of National Statistics reports about regional income disparities to know this is true.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Come on man, you know it's true. Our supporters are generally from London and the Home Counties. The Home Counties definitely have higher income than Cities in the North West like Manchester, and while of course we do have many fans on relatively low incomes in London (especially in working class areas like Stoke Newington), these incomes will still be higher than of supporters of clubs like Burnley, Man City, Blackburn etc. You only have to look at the Office of National Statistics reports about regional income disparities to know this is true.

really though. we have fans all around the country though. common joke is that fans of united come from london yet they dont sell out every cup game so if you syaing london earns more then why not. they can afford it? same with chelsea, they dont sell out but their fans should be able to afford based on your statement

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

@ Maccy ( pedantic response) What did i state that was erroneous? Was it the lowest ever attendance? the ticket prices? The challenging times we're in? Or could it be the only place where i clear indicated uncertainty by using the well known clausal supposition 'i believe' - which i want to 'believe' you are familiar with because you just used it in your reply in a manner reminiscent of mine. But if the latter part of the aforementioned statement is wrong, please kindly note the element of doubt expressed. And comparing 2 time european champions to plymouth is poor form for even you.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

@ Maccy ( pedantic response) What did i state that was erroneous? Was it the lowest ever attendance? the ticket prices? The challenging times we're in? Or could it be the only place where i clear indicated uncertainty by using the well known clausal supposition 'i believe' - which i want to 'believe' you are familiar with because you just used it in your reply in a manner reminiscent of mine. But if the latter part of the aforementioned statement is wrong, please kindly note the element of doubt expressed. And comparing 2 time european champions to plymouth is poor form for even you.

Ok, nevermind.

And I wasn't comparing the clubs: Plymouth Argyle to Nottingham Forest, I was just saying the cities' respective populations are similar. And due to where Plymouth are situated and the fact Cornwall (the county next to Devon) does not have a Football League side, Plymouth have more supporters then another club of their stature might otherwise have.

Poor form? Hardly.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Now my serious reply goes like this- on the point you made about comparing CC with FA, i noted no marked differences when looking at the attendances. I believe besides Shrew the smallest teams we played in the CC are ipswich, shefield and leeds and i think we still averaged 59000, so no marked difference. In fact its remarkable because those who go to cc cup games know the crowd is kind of different from the regulars. And if joker is right that we sold out to shrews, then seeing as orient have the same 9000ish capacity it makes explaining the 14000 missing fans more difficult, though i accept the london factor should be considered. Anyway debating this is a bit silly as if we continue with our poor form, the attendances in the next few games will clearly say if the fans are trying to mile a statement or not.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Ok, nevermind.

And I wasn't comparing the clubs: Plymouth Argyle to Nottingham Forest, I was just saying the cities' respective populations are similar. And due to where Plymouth are situated and the fact Cornwall (the county next to Devon) does not have a Football League side, Plymouth have more supporters then another club of their stature might otherwise have.

Poor form? Hardly.

Sorry, thought you were giving me my medicine back.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

can i just where you got that made up fact from?

BTW somethings need no debate, you need to spread your wings and fly son.