Abou Diaby watch?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Wenget has confirmed Diaby is out for 3 weeks.

one french journalist matt spiro said this morning that there was a suspcion in the press conference and in france that wenger said three weeks becuase it meant he missed the next international break.

who knows though, but i hope diaby is back soon

[Fist of Lehmann]

No actually, France can fuck off on this one.

[Cripps_orig]

France manager Didier Deschamps has criticised Arsene Wenger after the Arsenal manager sparked a club v country row over Abou Diaby's recent selection for the national side.
Full story: Daily Telegraph

Deschamps is spot on

[Kano]

about being the man to pick the team.

but his timing was a fuck up. for us and their national team.

[Penguin]

If you want international quality players you have to be prepared to let them play for their national teams. That's why we have a squad, we should have the players to fill in if someone gets injured.

No use complaining about it when someone goes and picks up a knock every year.

[GP]

If you want international quality players you have to be prepared to let them play for their national teams. That's why we have a squad, we should have the players to fill in if someone gets injured.

No use complaining about it when someone goes and picks up a knock every year.

No, you have to look at the player in question and his fitness record.

[server too busy!]

Is it me or ever since Diaby got injured we have been playing absolutely shit. Is he the player that makes it all come together?

It seems to me we're missing his height and physical presence in the middle. He's also the only player capable of making driving runs forward. Too often we try and pass our way into attacking positions, however if a team just sits back and defends and plays on the break against us we can't create anything because everyone is marked. We miss Diaby driving past people and pulling players out of position with his runs, which then frees up other players. If we can't rely on Diaby to be fit we need to find someone who can do what he does.

With Wilshere, Arteta and Cazorla its so easy to play against, sit deep and hold your position. Every team has found this out and we're getting stiffled against even the shittest of teams.

[LDG]

Is it me or ever since Diaby got injured we have been playing absolutely shit. Is he the player that makes it all come together?

It seems to me we're missing his height and physical presence in the middle. He's also the only player capable of making driving runs forward. Too often we try and pass our way into attacking positions, however if a team just sits back and defends and plays on the break against us we can't create anything because everyone is marked. We miss Diaby driving past people and pulling players out of position with his runs, which then frees up other players. If we can't rely on Diaby to be fit we need to find someone who can do what he does.

With Wilshere, Arteta and Cazorla its so easy to play against, sit deep and hold your position. Every team has found this out and we're getting stiffled against even the shittest of teams.

Yep.

It was a great decision to rely on Diaby. I mean, nobody could have forseen him getting injured.

He is a fantastic player, but I just don't see the logic in hoping he would stay injury free.

[GP]

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/mattlamb1982/watch.jpg

[LDG]

:haha:

[GP]

Hope I get one for xmas

[Cripps_orig]

Completely forgot about this dude. When did he get injured again? Was it when he kicked the ball and injured himself? Is it still that injury?

[Gervinho's Forehead]

He's the magical 2-3 weeks away. Every week.

[Fist of Lehmann]

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/mattlamb1982/watch.jpg

The weird thing is, it doesn't seem to be working.

[Kano]

it would seem like that as it's a picture.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The weird thing is, it doesn't seem to be working.

Don't worry its only 2-3 weeks away from working.

[Ollie the Optimist]

what hapened to suddenly cure rvc of his injuries? it was a gamble last year to rely on him given his record, yet he never missed a game through injury and i dont think he has for united either so what happened to him for it to work and could it work on diaby? both have muscle problems that cause injuries.

[Injury Time]

what hapened to suddenly cure rvc of his injuries? it was a gamble last year to rely on him given his record, yet he never missed a game through injury and i dont think he has for united either so what happened to him for it to work and could it work on diaby? both have muscle problems that cause injuries.
RvP told our staff to fuck off and went to his own specialist afaik

[Keith]

Shame, see you in 9 months Abou

[Gooner23]

He should just retire, poor bloke.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

he needs putting down tbh

[Niall_Quinn]

He should just retire, poor bloke.

He's not poor. He's on 80K a week isn't he?

[Cripps_orig]

I blame that Sunderland ****

:Ollie:

[LDG]

Yeah I blame Ollie too.

[Marc Overmars]

8-9 months?

Fucking hell.

How long is left on his contract? He needs to be moved on.

[Letters]

8-9 months?

Fucking hell.

How long is left on his contract? He needs to be put down.
Corrected your typo.

[PGFC]

ACL? 8-9 months? shoot him now.

[Marc Overmars]

In all seriousness, this is absurd. The faith shown in this guy has been incredible but he's never, ever been able to prove his fitness. Wenget just needs to let go now, I'm pretty sure he sees Diaby as one of the first names on the team sheet when fit, maybe the reason he hasn't significantly invested in the centre of midfield for years.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

8-9 months?

Fucking hell.

How long is left on his contract? He needs to be moved on.


End of next season I believe. Knowing us though, he'll return in December, have a couple of world class games and we offer him a new contract worth 100 K. He then gets another year long injury after he signs.

[Cripps_orig]

End of next season I believe. Knowing us though, he'll return in December, have a couple of world class games and we offer him a new contract worth 100 K. He then gets another year long injury after he signs.

Nearly all true apart from the world class games bit

[Gooner23]

Problem is, we wont we able to sell for at least another year now.

[Gooner23]

End of next season I believe. Knowing us though, he'll return in December, have a couple of world class games and we offer him a new contract worth 100 K. He then gets another year long injury after he signs.

Yeah, we'll struggle to sell in the summer if he is still months away from fitness. Maybe next January at cut price? Or just release next summer.

[Munchies]

Damn was a decent player, but he's no longer able to play football now. Nine months getting 80k a week is alot, we really need to adjust the wage system ffs

Remember when he first signed, the next Vieira, he chose us over Chelsea (supposedly :rolleyes: ) and he was fairly good before that sunderland foul.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

It's 60 K not 80K. Not that makes much of a difference really - it's still way too much for for the amount of games he's featured in.

[Letters]

Still. At least he'll be like a new sign...oh... :ilt:

[LDG]

It's 60 K not 80K. Not that makes much of a difference really - it's still way too much for for the amount of games he's featured in.

I thought he was on a pay as you play deal in the end? Or was that just something rumoured?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I thought he was on a pay as you play deal in the end? Or was that just something rumoured?

Nah it was definitely 60K. I still remember people being astonished that he was earning more then Modric at the time.



Ideally offering him a pay as you play deal would be ideal however I don't think that's really in our club style. Sensible ideas don't really resonate with Gazidis.

[Niall_Quinn]

Nah it was definitely 60K. I still remember people being astonished that he was earning more then Modric at the time.



Ideally offering him a pay as you play deal would be ideal however I don't think that's really in our club style. Sensible ideas don't really resonate with Gazidis.

He'd starve to death on a deal like that.

Let's do it!

[GP]

Really feel sorry for him.

A career ruined by some **** who now works in a call centre.

He would have been a proper legend by now. Not for us, obviously, we'd have sold him long ago, but still...

[Injury Time]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/diaby-ruled-out-for-eight-to-nine-months
couldnt see link in thread.

Loan him to Manure he'd be fit and on a scoring spree in three months tops <_<

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/diaby-ruled-out-for-eight-to-nine-months
couldnt see link in thread.

Loan him to Manure he'd be fit and on a scoring spree in three months tops <_<

Provided we made a deal to keep covering his wages.

[Power n Glory]

Gutted for him and it's horrible news. Any Gooner that knows Dan Smith should smash his knee caps in with a bat! So pissed that he only got away with that challenge.

Serious questions have to be asked about the way we handle our players and their training regime. How has the guy picked up such a bad injury in training? Diaby needs to find some outside help and his own fitness coach if he doesn't already have one. He'll have to adjust his game slightly if he wants to keep on playing because he may have to retire very early.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Cripps_orig]

Impressive how a challenge 7 years ago is still being blamed for Diabys injuries

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Must get rid....

[Niall_Quinn]

This is rather like a trainer of thoroughbreds retaining and feeding a clapped out old nag. Is he a pet? What do we expect to get from this guy, even after nine months, when he has given us precisely nothing to date? This guy could end up with more playing time in his testimonial match than the rest of his career combined. I feel zero sympathy for him because he has been paid all this time. The players care fuck all about us if you recall, and we aren't so privileged as to pick up tens of thousands a week. He'll eat well even if he doesn't play. But the question is why would we ever retain him at all? Are we undertaking some protracted experiment related to health and fitness and must have him on the books because he's the primary test subject? Can't think of any other reason why he should be anywhere near the team. After all, how many years does it take of him missing entire seasons to figure he is injury prone? Could somebody please write to Wenger and at least drop a hint?

[Power n Glory]

http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2011/12/21/physiotherapy-corner-tom%e2%80%99s-injury-of-the-week-abou-diaby/

A good article about the Diaby injury.

Do you lot think he wants to get injured all the time? Money has nothing to do with this either. It's a fucked up moment for the guy so at least show a bit of support. It's a serious injury and could be curtains for his career. You can't wish that on one of you're own players. It's tough times for the club but don't act like assholes. Show a bit of heart as a Gooner.

[IBK]

http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2011/12/21/physiotherapy-corner-tom%e2%80%99s-injury-of-the-week-abou-diaby/

A good article about the Diaby injury.

Do you lot think he wants to get injured all the time? Money has nothing to do with this either. It's a fucked up moment for the guy so at least show a bit of support. It's a serious injury and could be curtains for his career. You can't wish that on one of you're own players. It's tough times for the club but don't act like assholes. Show a bit of heart as a Gooner.

Mate - I think we're done with the support now. A shame for the player but it happens and he is lucky he made his lucrative move before he broke down. There's little animosity towards Diaby himself, but we have suffered as a team while Wenger keeps the door open.

[Power n Glory]

You're right when you say the club is rotting from the inside out. If we're done with that sort of support then it shows how bad the mentality of the club and fans are. Wenger should have done more and not gambled on his fitness so much over the years. Selling Song and depending on Diaby and declaring it was stupid but that has nothing to do with the player. It's mismanagement.

But fuck it, no point in talking in these situations. It just shows how rotten things have gotten.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

lets pretend like this was never going to happen.

:haha:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2011/12/21/physiotherapy-corner-tom%e2%80%99s-injury-of-the-week-abou-diaby/

A good article about the Diaby injury.

Do you lot think he wants to get injured all the time? Money has nothing to do with this either. It's a fucked up moment for the guy so at least show a bit of support. It's a serious injury and could be curtains for his career. You can't wish that on one of you're own players. It's tough times for the club but don't act like assholes. Show a bit of heart as a Gooner.

fuck support he's had years of it. there comes a time you say enough is enough. time to be selfish and stop being sentimental. being too nice has cost us over the years.

sell him. he's done.

bye.

[IBK]

You're right when you say the club is rotting from the inside out. If we're done with that sort of support then it shows how bad the mentality of the club and fans are. Wenger should have done more and not gambled on his fitness so much over the years. Selling Song and depending on Diaby and declaring it was stupid but that has nothing to do with the player. It's mismanagement.

But fuck it, no point in talking in these situations. It just shows how rotten things have gotten.

I get ya - yes this isn't about the player (with whom I sympathise a bit - but still think he's fortunate in the scheme of things). It IS a reflection on the manager's lack of cutting edge, though.

[Power n Glory]

fuck support he's had years of it. there comes a time you say enough is enough. time to be selfish and stop being sentimental. being too nice has cost us over the years.

sell him. he's done.

bye.

This is the reverse of support and why footballers almost have a right to the 'fuck the fans, pay me' attitude.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Impressive how a challenge 7 years ago is still being blamed for Diabys injuries


because its true. you smash someones leg into several peieces and the body has to compensate, this causes problems because muscles move out of place because one leg is doing all the work, thus moving body out of shape, making somoene more injury prone. all his injuries stem to that tackle and that tackle alone

[Ollie the Optimist]

its sad to see this happen to a player through no fault of his own. but given how eduardo had to leave, diaby never recovered, it shows how far ramsey has come to overcome his on a side point.

he had so much talent diaby, we can all see it, games like liverpool in sept, shame we wont likely see it again.

[Özim]

Diaby is never going to be fit, much like our other crocks.

Personally I'd get rid of Diaby, Gibbs, Rosicky these guys can't string 3 games together without getting injured, haven't we wasted enough money on these guys now?

[Niall_Quinn]

This is the reverse of support and why footballers almost have a right to the 'fuck the fans, pay me' attitude.

Hold your horses there - which came first, the supporter who couldn't give a fuck or the footballer who couldn't give a fuck beyond the cash? Really, let's not apologise on their behalf, it's really not necessary as I'm sure they don't think an apology is even in order.

Or put another way - fuck them!

Career ending injuries were sad back when players slogged on shitty pitches and had defenders kick them up in the air 20 times a match - all for £20 quid a week. But for more than the average annual wage PER WEEK? To do nothing? Any demands for sympathy are being stretched, the sympathy comes in the form of sixty grand in the post every Friday. And the medical care for free on top which has surely cost the club a couple of trillion quid?

[Power n Glory]

Hold your horses there - which came first, the supporter who couldn't give a fuck or the footballer who couldn't give a fuck beyond the cash? Really, let's not apologise on their behalf, it's really not necessary as I'm sure they don't think an apology is even in order.

Or put another way - fuck them!

Career ending injuries were sad back when players slogged on shitty pitches and had defenders kick them up in the air 20 times a match - all for £20 quid a week. But for more than the average annual wage PER WEEK? To do nothing? Any demands for sympathy are being stretched, the sympathy comes in the form of sixty grand in the post every Friday. And the medical care for free on top which has surely cost the club a couple of trillion quid?

NQ you're blinded by money in every argument. How far does this go? I'm guessing you earn a decent wage and probably more than a few posters on here. Should i judge you differently because of that? Say you get hit by a bus on the way to work and you're crippled. Instead of wishing you well my first reaction is...'fuck him, he'll probably get patched up on his private healthcare scheme'.

Diaby is still human and he plays for our bloody club. What's wrong with you?

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ you're blinded by money in every argument. How far does this go? I'm guessing you earn a decent wage and probably more than a few posters on here. Should i judge you differently because of that? Say you get hit by a bus on the way to work and you're crippled. Instead of wishing you well my first reaction is...'fuck him, he'll probably get patched up on his private healthcare scheme'.

Diaby is still human and he plays for our bloody club. What's wrong with you?

What's wrong with ME? I'M all about the money? :wacko:

News for you - this isn't "our" club any more. It stopped being "our" club a long time ago and (as I am sure you must have noticed) these players don't play for "us" they play for themselves. There are no connections. Could I give a shit about Diaby.

Nope.

They reap what they sow. They have taken the money and given nothing back for years. What kind of love and loyalty do you think is going to grow in barren soil like that?

There's a cut off point for everyone. Your's is at a different place than mine evidently. I'm long past mine, yours will come because none of these guys give a fuck about you.

[Ollie the Optimist]

there are stories about diaby that he is always working on fitness, doenst go on holiday but trains instead, doesnt drink, smoke or party etc. yes he is injured and takes a large pay check home but with an attitude like that, if it is true, then he is giving something back, or at least trying to isnt he NQ?

[Power n Glory]

Mate, it won't ever get to a point where I see a shocking challenge on a player and think 'fuck him' just because he earns more money than me. There is still a morale standard.

[Özim]

there are stories about diaby that he is always working on fitness, doenst go on holiday but trains instead, doesnt drink, smoke or party etc. yes he is injured and takes a large pay check home but with an attitude like that, if it is true, then he is giving something back, or at least trying to isnt he NQ?
Don't believe everything they say on Arsenal.com

[fakeyank]

Diaby and Rosicky should have been flogged out of Arsenal 3-4 years back.

Thinking of it, Diaby has got to be the oldest Arsenal player in the squad! Wasnt he injured playing at Highbury?! FFS this is the player carrying the torch from the glory days!?! :banghead:

Anyway, wish him a speedy recovery. I tore my ACL playing football and its a horrible injury and even worse rehabilitation period. Good luck Abu Dhabi. :good:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This is the reverse of support and why footballers almost have a right to the 'fuck the fans, pay me' attitude.

boo hoo. we've been mugged for too long. trying that sentimental crap doesnt work anymore pal.

all the top clubs are ruthless. we've been left wing for far too long.

sell him. he's done. take wenger with you.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mate, it won't ever get to a point where I see a shocking challenge on a player and think 'fuck him' just because he earns more money than me. There is still a morale standard.

It would never get to that point for me either, and yet that's what you seem to be implying. Not based on what I have posted of course. Heaven forbid.

I say "fuck him" because he doesn't register with me just as I (or you) don't register with him.

As for him training to get fit - well I should say. I think it's a good thing he's not on holiday or smoking or going to parties, because that might be viewed by some as rubbing it in.

I have nothing against Diaby as a person but in footballing terms he's a stupid, stupid investment by any reckoning. In terms the club would express to the fans when they hike the ticket prices and sell off the star players, where's the profit? Never plays, costs a fortune, takes up a squad place. And it's been going on for years. Is it really so cruel to suggest he should be gone?

[Power n Glory]

Career ending injuries were sad back when players slogged on shitty pitches and had defenders kick them up in the air 20 times a match - all for £20 quid a week. But for more than the average annual wage PER WEEK? To do nothing? Any demands for sympathy are being stretched, the sympathy comes in the form of sixty grand in the post every Friday. And the medical care for free on top which has surely cost the club a couple of trillion quid?

Dude, that's an Arsenal player your talking about but you're saying he gets no sympathy because of what he's paid? It's a slippery slope and it's all good talking about the club losing it's soul and selling out but that's pretty low on the books as well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Dude, that's an Arsenal player your talking about but you're saying he gets no sympathy because of what he's paid? It's a slippery slope and it's all good talking about the club losing it's soul and selling out but that's pretty low on the books as well.

I am not saying I'm glad he's injured, am I? I'm saying players are in a much more comfortable situation than they used to be when injury threatens their careers. What is this sympathy anyway? Are we going to have a parade?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Diaby's single shining moment in an Arsenal shirt:

http://football-talk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/diaby-terry-facup.jpg

Would have been a proper legend could he have kept it together from here on....

All that is through the window now and this great liability has to now got to be the biggest must get rid of all time....

To think Wenger has gambled on this crock for 7 years with contract extensions along the way, him and Rosicky - both players who should have been disposed of long ago, whilst he only afforded a proper legend like Pires a 1 year contract extension, pretty much sums up the Arsenal. We have a stockpile of zero to average talent, all overpaid and give nothing in return. At the same time we strip the club of the real talent who actually produce and then declare tidy profits come year end after year end as a result.

Best run club in the world :scarf:

[Cripps_orig]

Tbf Rosicky has been quality on the pitch when he's been given a chance. Diaby has been a crock of shit when he plays

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Yeah, but he's still been a crock who's had his contract extended as well.

[Cripps_orig]

Welcome to Arsenal where one good game entitles you to mega bucks.

[Master Splinter]

Welcome to Arsenal where one good game entitles you to mega bucks.

Theo :bow:.

[Cripps_orig]

A bit random as I don't see what that has to do with my post but I'll join in

Theo :bow:

[Munchies]

Abou Diaby’s list of injuries at Arsenal (All stemming from that foul really)
Knee ligament

Calf/Shin Injury
2013 March 28th

2013 February 23rd
Illness 2013 January 22nd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2012 September 29th
Muscle Injury 2012 September 7th
Calf Muscle Strain 2012 April 28th
Illness 2012 April 23rd
Hamstring Injury 2012 March 29th
Hamstring Injury 2012 March 3rd
Hamstring Injury 2011 November 26th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2011 July 22nd
Calf Muscle Strain 2011 January 2nd
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 December 30th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 October 19th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 October 4th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 September 13th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 August 11th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 March 27th
MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 17th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 January 20th
Calf Muscle Strain 2009 November 7th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Groin Strain 2009 August 12th
Knee Injury 2009 July 27th
Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 April 1st
Calf Muscle Strain 2009 February 24th
Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 January 31st
Abdominal Strain 2008 November 22nd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2008 August 3rd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2008 April 25th
Calf Muscle Strain 2008 March 7th
Calf Muscle Strain 2008 February 8th
Back Injury 2007 November 22nd
Sprained Ankle 2007 August 14th
Concussion 2007 April 20th
Sprained Ankle 2007 February 25th
Knee Injury 2007 February 2nd
Ankle/Foot Injury 2006 May 1st

[GP]

He'll always be a legend.

http://football-talk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/diaby-terry-facup.jpg

[Syn]

You can't become a professional footballer at the top level if you're only money-driven. He'll be distraught. But, for the rest of us, there are bigger tragedies to feel bad about. Lets be honest, there's a fair chance he'll stumble his way to a few more arsenal appearances yet.

[Master Splinter]

In all seriousness, this is absurd. The faith shown in this guy has been incredible but he's never, ever been able to prove his fitness. Wenget just needs to let go now, I'm pretty sure he sees Diaby as one of the first names on the team sheet when fit, maybe the reason he hasn't significantly invested in the centre of midfield for years.

I must tell you, the data has shown only Diaby can fill this hole in our team.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's pretty simple. Nobody plans to get injured or sick, it's just unfortunate. But in any normal job if an employee is out on sick leave 98% of the time they get the sack. Don't they? They don't get sacked because the employer resents them being sick or has no sympathy, they get sacked because he needs somebody that will turn up and do the job he gets paid to do. Wenger has persisted season after season with a player who can't turn up to do the job he is paid to do. It's negligence on Wenger's part to retain this guy. Footballers aren't even close to the real world, are they? It's ridiculous. Marc used the word "absurd" and that's the most accurate word for this situation. And it's the most accurate word to describe Wenger's role in this. And the board's role in this. And this club. And football in general. And Letters.

[Injury Time]

He'll always be a legend.

http://football-talk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/diaby-terry-facup.jpg
Baptista footloose :dancingman: :bow:

[KSE Comedy Club]

It's pretty simple. Nobody plans to get injured or sick, it's just unfortunate. But in any normal job if an employee is out on sick leave 98% of the time they get the sack. Don't they? They don't get sacked because the employer resents them being sick or has no sympathy, they get sacked because he needs somebody that will turn up and do the job he gets paid to do. Wenger has persisted season after season with a player who can't turn up to do the job he is paid to do. It's negligence on Wenger's part to retain this guy. Footballers aren't even close to the real world, are they? It's ridiculous. Marc used the word "absurd" and that's the most accurate word for this situation. And it's the most accurate word to describe Wenger's role in this. And the board's role in this. And this club. And football in general. And Letters.
Wenger also didn't replace song this season because he took a gamble on diaby remaining fit.

Poor, poor, poor, management.

[Cripps_orig]

Time he was let go.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Time he was let go.

Some would agre, some would say a bit harsh on the manager.

[Power n Glory]

It's pretty simple. Nobody plans to get injured or sick, it's just unfortunate. But in any normal job if an employee is out on sick leave 98% of the time they get the sack. Don't they? They don't get sacked because the employer resents them being sick or has no sympathy, they get sacked because he needs somebody that will turn up and do the job he gets paid to do. Wenger has persisted season after season with a player who can't turn up to do the job he is paid to do. It's negligence on Wenger's part to retain this guy. Footballers aren't even close to the real world, are they? It's ridiculous. Marc used the word "absurd" and that's the most accurate word for this situation. And it's the most accurate word to describe Wenger's role in this. And the board's role in this. And this club. And football in general. And Letters.

Yes, we should be doing more to replicate the corporate world, fantastic idea, NQ!

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, we should be doing more to replicate the corporate world, fantastic idea, NQ!

No, you are right of course. We should keep Diaby for at least another 7 seasons. In fact let's declare charitable status and sign Owen Hargreaves and Michael Owen. Let's gather unto us all God's children and protect them from the cruel world (at the fans' expense).

[Kano]

Wenger also didn't replace song this season because he took a gamble on diaby remaining fit.

Poor, poor, poor, management.
well tbf he did try to get vertonghen in as song's replacement. however once he said no, it is quite staggering there were no other options to go for so diaby was seen as the man to do the job - and he's not even that great a tackler. abou was (RIP) much better at going forward than doing the dirty work.

[Power n Glory]

No, you are right of course. We should keep Diaby for at least another 7 seasons. In fact let's declare charitable status and sign Owen Hargreaves and Michael Owen. Let's gather unto us all God's children and protect them from the cruel world (at the fans' expense).

Isn't ironic! :lol:

I very slippery slope that stance. Maybe Villa and Barca should take some notes.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I'm not sure why he would have gone for Vertonghen only when the player made it quite clear that he didn't fancy playing a DM's role - something which he has held true to as he currently continues to ply his trade as a CB at the scum.

Plus, there was always M'Villa available and we were heavily linked to him more than once. Not that he's the best DM out there, but we never really buy the best, do we? Besides, he's better than anything we've had fulfilling that role post Gilberto, imo.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not sure why he would have gone for Vertonghen only when the player made it quite clear that he didn't fancy playing a DM's role - something which he has held true to as he currently continues to ply his trade as a CB at the scum.

Plus, there was always M'Villa available and we were heavily linked to him more than once. Not that he's the best DM out there, but we never really buy the best, do we? Besides, he's better than anything we've had fulfilling that role post Gilberto, imo.

In truth we have no idea who'd be any good in this team. It's lucky dip whoever we bring in (if anyone at all) because at least half the players they would be expected to play with are sub-standard. That's just the start of the problems. There's the tactics, or lack of them. The training, or lack of it. The finely honed losing mentality. The lack of ambition. The very real possibility a new player coming in would signal the sale of an existing player thus setting everything back to a zero net gain.

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn't ironic! :lol:

I very slippery slope that stance. Maybe Villa and Barca should take some notes.

What slope? What stance?

My argument is we should be rid of a player who has been injured for his career with us and therefore serves no purpose. This is a football team, not a hospital.

Your argument is not focused on Diaby, it's focused on me. I am apparently so corporate minded as to be worthy of study by Barcelona. But what sort of argument is that, in relation to the topic I mean?

If Diaby shouldn't be got rid of then why not? What's the case for him remaining? I heard you say he's an Arsenal player. But beyond that, why should the club keep paying him to be injured?

[Marc Overmars]

I do feel sorry for him to an extent but he needs to go.

The trouble is no one is going to touch him and now he's just another player we're stuck with until the contract runs out.

[RomfordPele]

Massively sad for diaby, but should at least force wenger to do what he should have done over the summer - buy big to shore up the midfield and give us some real bite and physical presence.

Fellaini would be the dream, but can't see it happening.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That would be an irresponsible waste of money because Diaby will be back in November.

[Power n Glory]

What slope? What stance?

My argument is we should be rid of a player who has been injured for his career with us and therefore serves no purpose. This is a football team, not a hospital.

Your argument is not focused on Diaby, it's focused on me. I am apparently so corporate minded as to be worthy of study by Barcelona. But what sort of argument is that, in relation to the topic I mean?

If Diaby shouldn't be got rid of then why not? What's the case for him remaining? I heard you say he's an Arsenal player. But beyond that, why should the club keep paying him to be injured?

I agree with Arseblog on this one. Has a good piece.


If there’s frustration it ought to be directed elsewhere, not at him. He didn’t injure himself, he hasn’t tried to sponge off the club, he didn’t give himself new contracts (and it was 2010 when he signed his last deal – not so recent that hoping he could become fitter was unreasonable). It’s fairly clear that Arsene Wenger was desperate for Diaby to make it, he gave him every chance to do that when other players have been moved on when injury blighted their career. It’d be fair to say that the impact of Smith on Diaby has been far greater than that of Taylor on Eduardo, but the Crozilian was, essentially, frozen out and then sold.

The solution is not obvious though. You can’t ‘get rid’ of a player who is going be out of the game for 9 months. Nobody will buy him. Suggestions of paying him off and sending him on his way don’t seem feasible to me either. When has it ever happened? And while I don’t see any real future for him as an Arsenal player, what would it say about any football club that would treat a player that way?

There are, in this world, some right spawny people who, no matter how badly the shit comes down, always manage to escape smelling of roses. They can be racist, adulterous, spiteful, horrible, despicable, violent, mean and stomach churningly awful, yet always land on their feet. Diaby is the opposite. He might, from time to time, land on his feet but he’ll turn his ankle and step on a rusty nail at the same time. C’est la vie.

http://arseblog.com/

What does it say about the fans that can't even sympathise with their own players at this moment? It's a slippery slope. He can't play for the club so we should be ruthless with him? The Barca and Villa reference is in regards to Abidal and Petrov. What they're facing is far more serious than football and this situation we're discussing with Diaby. Their illnesses are not even football related and that's why I'm saying you're arguments are on a slippery slope, especially when you mention how the corporate world would handle things.

I think this is Diaby's decision in the end. He'll probably call time on his career if he thinks he can't go through this again but I wouldn't applaud the club for cutting his contract to save a few pounds. It's a bit rich to preach about the corporate nature of football and the way we're going as a club and then to talk like this and ape the corporate cut throat culture. What happened to being a football club? Maybe I'm being sentimental but I think it would be wrong to cut him loose during his injury.


For me it comes down to this – you can want Arsenal to improve the squad and be more competitive and still have sympathy for a footballer whose career was needlessly ruined in an instant by a moron. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I hope that one day he manages to stay fit for a few seasons and enjoy his football. I don’t believe it will ever be with Arsenal, and I imagine this is a line crossed that will make the manager think that too, but who would begrudge him a few good seasons somewhere else?

Another good point made by Arseblog.

[Kano]

wait for him to heal, then tell he has no future at the club any longer and if he wants to carry on playing football then he needs to find somewhere else to do it.

[Niall_Quinn]

You want Arsenal to be a football club? A professional sports outfit? Then how can they retain players that can't play football because they are injured the whole time? Why do you keep bringing emotional arguments and accusations into this? I never mentioned the word "corporate", you did. I referred to any other job in the real world. Nobody is saying kick him out on the street penniless, in truth he probably can't be got rid of at all now. So you will have your way, we'll be stuck with a guy who can't play but is taking up a spot in the squad and costing money that could be spent elsewhere. That's highly unfortunate. What an ideal excuse for them to avoid signing a proper replacement. Not that we'll need one because Diaby will be back, just like a new signing - but this time, on the 30th attempt, it will all be different and not only will he remain injury free but he'll finally come of age as the magnificent player he has shown himself to be a million miles from on the few occasions he's managed to get on the pitch.

Insane. Could only happen in football. I don't blame Diaby one little bit. I primarily blame Wenger and then the board for putting up with Wenger's blindness in regard to this player.

[Power n Glory]

You've adopted a very cold and hard 'business' like approach to this subject and I bring emotion and sentiment into the argument because it's the argument we often use when saying the club has lost its way.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I don't think there is a lack of sympathy for Diaby, after all, I feel for the crock as much as any 'sympathiser', so the clever attempt to deflect from the real crux which has caused/triggered the fans' frustration, after their patience to have worn thin, can now cease, thanks.

We've all long known that this crock would never come good as he never manages three consecutive games without being injured. By we, I mean everyone barring the manager who has, season after season, consistently spouted rubbish like "we have Diaby returning from injury who'll be like a new signing", all the while refusing to suitably find a player to fill the role in which he intends to play Diaby. Now, we're on a crucial last lap a la virtual 4th place trophy / finishing above the scum (only bit a pride some Gooners have left), only to be apprised that this crock, who the manager has happened to have placed so much blind faith in, is once again out - this time for a staggering 9 months. Add to that, he wasn't even injured in a competitive game.

Fuck, everything that Wenger is control of is just cyclic. This man never seems to learn from obvious patterns and this has ballooned a toxic atmosphere around the club. Fans have little to no fuse left these days. Hence, they don't require much to get ticked off and certainly won't shy away from airing their dissatifaction to no less a situation than Diaby's.

[Marc Overmars]

No one blames Diaby at all and I think we all feel a degree of sympathy to him, footballers might be a lot of things but it does hurt them not to play.

The blame is with the **** from Sunderland who snapped him and on Wenget for putting a huge amount of faith in a player who we all know will be lucky to play 20 games a season.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I wish Diaby well, but it really is time to call it a day. That is not being cold, it is being realistic. Had this been the 60s or 70s, I'd be happy to go to a Testimonial for his so that he could at least enjoy one big payday.

He gets 52 big paydays a week now - in common with just about everybody else in the EPL, so while I am sure this is a big personal setback for him, at least he will be alright in a big way from a financial perspective. Once the Club's contractual obligations are out of the way, I hope he finds success somewhere else.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

I feel sorry for him for any regrets on what might have been since that horror tackle by that POS Dan Smith, but really, the Club has stood by him and persevered as long as possible.

[Niall_Quinn]

You've adopted a very cold and hard 'business' like approach to this subject and I bring emotion and sentiment into the argument because it's the argument we often use when saying the club has lost its way.

You are criticising me for dwelling on the facts.

[Letters]

For those saying we've been idiots standing by him, it's easy to say that with 20:20 hindsight but RvP had persistent injury problems, maybe not to the same degree as Diaby but enough to warrant debate on here as to whether we should cut our losses (I thought we should). Then he goes and has that season he had last year and would have repeated it...well, he has repeated it, just not for us. I'm not saying Diaby would have ever had the same impact but at times he's looked like a player who could become an important part of our midfield. When you've persisted with a player for so long and invested all the time and money in rehabilitating them, not to mention paying them all the time they've been on the treatment table, I'd suggest it's not a simple call where to call it quits. That time has come with Diaby now but it's impossible to know in advance.

[fakeyank]

You've adopted a very cold and hard 'business' like approach to this subject and I bring emotion and sentiment into the argument because it's the argument we often use when saying the club has lost its way.

I disagree. Its not cold and hard business like. It is logical! If we had abandoned Diaby right after his horror injury, that would be a cold and hard business like approach. Right after his next injury, may be... the next one, again may be... but after 30 odd injuries in his last 7 years where he has played an average of 17 games/season in which quite a few of them he has come off injured, then its time to cut losses. Do I feel bad for him? Hell yes.. I feel sorry for the lad because he seems genuine and wants to play football. But from an Arsenal point of view, there is absolutely no reason to keep him, pay him 60K/week and take up an important squad place.

Its time to move on from crocks like him and Rosicky. Both have been liabilities to AFC for a long time. Let's clear the deadwood..

[Power n Glory]

It's a bit of a double standard and the player/fan loyalty talk is an illusion. I've heard so many berate RVP for leaving and other players for taking the money but if they had the sort if injury problems Diaby is going through, fans would be calling for them to be given the boot. There is no real loyalty. If we're going to talk logical then we can't really begrudge players wanting to leave for more reward at another club.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think you are being argumentative for the sake of it. The only one displaying off the wall opinions here is you.

[Syn]

For those saying we've been idiots standing by him, it's easy to say that with 20:20 hindsight but RvP had persistent injury problems, maybe not to the same degree as Diaby but enough to warrant debate on here as to whether we should cut our losses (I thought we should). Then he goes and has that season he had last year and would have repeated it...well, he has repeated it, just not for us. I'm not saying Diaby would have ever had the same impact but at times he's looked like a player who could become an important part of our midfield. When you've persisted with a player for so long and invested all the time and money in rehabilitating them, not to mention paying them all the time they've been on the treatment table, I'd suggest it's not a simple call where to call it quits. That time has come with Diaby now but it's impossible to know in advance.

It's impossible to know but it depends on how much hope you have. Ruthless managers would've moved Diaby, Clichy, Rosicky, Van Persie, Gibbs and possibly others along a long time ago. Wenger has only really had Van Persie who has repaid the faith shown and even then he was happy to move on last season. The uber trust Wenger displays isn't justified on past evidence, and furthermore you'd be silly not to realise that he takes a gamble on a crock's fitness for other reasons. If he can operate on lower expenditure, he stands to gain a lot.

[Power n Glory]

@GB - How so? I'm just drawing comparisons to certain arguments made on here on a daily basis. Maybe it's devils advocate but so be it.

[Syn]

It's a bit of a double standard and the player/fan loyalty talk is an illusion. I've heard so many berate RVP for leaving and other players for taking the money but if they had the sort if injury problems Diaby is going through, fans would be calling for them to be given the boot. There is no real loyalty. If we're going to talk logical then we can't really begrudge players wanting to leave for more reward at another club.

Van Persie didn't leave. We sold him. I don't think normal people can be too angry with him but we can roll our eyes when Diaby picks up this injury. This was not unexpected. It was a ridiculous gamble but as long as we stumble across the line for CL revenue, it's all paid off for Arsene.

[Özim]

Fuck, everything that Wenger is control of is just cyclic. This man never seems to learn from obvious patterns and this has ballooned a toxic atmosphere around the club.
Spot on, how many crocks has he stuck by...sorry but him harping on about crocks being like new signings is a joke, with the exception of RVP they never stay fit, he did but then he left after one season, we did a sterling job with that one.

He just never learns, he's been wasting our resources for years, even ignoring the crocks there's all the players we just can't get rid of, Squillaci, Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh etc.

Diaby has had a fair chance but he can't stay fit, it's proven, feel sad for him but at the end of the day we need players who can play and make a contribution to our season. I was shocked we gave Gibbs a contract earlier in the season as well to be honest, he'll never stay fit, he plays a couple games and gets injured he'll be another crock who never plays, likewise Rosicky...the only time he seems to stay fit is when he stays on the bench, again he's got talent but he's 30 odd now and since we signed him has never managed to stay fit and that was what 6+ years ago?

We seem to have a problem spending money on new players but no problem wasting money on players who never play more than a handful of games for us every season.

[Munchies]

He'll always be a legend.

http://football-talk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/diaby-terry-facup.jpg

Haha I remember he injured himself in that aswell !

[Xhaka Can’t]

@GB - How so? I'm just drawing comparisons to certain arguments made on here on a daily basis. Maybe it's devils advocate but so be it.

Fair enough - but the argument seems to be akin to continuing to hire a surgeon in the same role after he has lost his sight as the result of an acid attack.

I think most feel bad for Diaby and the aftermath he faced as a result of that POS all those years back. Had footballers not been so richly rewarded, I'd expect and attend a testimonial for him, but he is set for life. While that can't cushion the blow insofar as regret he'll always have for not fulfilling his potential, he is luckier than most and has been given every opportunity by the Club. It is not as if they left him lying on the pitch after that tackle - and neither did the fans. But surely now - it is clear, he can't fufill his role and everyone needs to move on.

[Power n Glory]

Van Persie didn't leave. We sold him. I don't think normal people can be too angry with him but we can roll our eyes when Diaby picks up this injury. This was not unexpected. It was a ridiculous gamble but as long as we stumble across the line for CL revenue, it's all paid off for Arsene.

There are few folks that would argue we were forced to sell him but I don't believe that either. Also, I can understand why he and many other players would want to leave this club and can't really come down hard on them when I know that this club lost it's way a long time ago. Diaby's injury woes just puts things into context because nobody is guaranteed a long future in football.

His injury wasn't unexpected and I can't understand why Wenger has gambled on his fitness so much. When ever fit he gets thrown back into first team action. It's reckless and it seems as though Wenger should have eased him in instead. But who knows if that would have made a difference. It sounds as though his career is over and he's seen every specialist.

[Power n Glory]

Fair enough - but the argument seems to be akin to continuing to hire a surgeon in the same role after he has lost his sight as the result of an acid attack.

I think most feel bad for Diaby and the aftermath he faced as a result of that POS all those years back. Had footballers not been so richly rewarded, I'd expect and attend a testimonial for him, but he is set for life. While that can't cushion the blow insofar as regret he'll always have for not fulfilling his potential, he is luckier than most and has been given every opportunity by the Club. It is not as if they left him lying on the pitch after that tackle - and neither did the fans. But surely now - it is clear, he can't fufill his role and everyone needs to move on.

I was mainly irked by NQ's argument and wasn't impressed with the 'fuck him, he's rich' type arguments as if he deserves no sympathy at all. There has been a few posters that have let their frustration for the club boil over to this argument. If we were in a better league position and not pent up with so much frustration for the club and manager, I doubt there would be such hostility for the player and more just wishing him well.

[Syn]

There are few folks that would argue we were forced to sell him but I don't believe that either. Also, I can understand why he and many other players would want to leave this club and can't really come down hard on them when I know that this club lost it's way a long time ago. Diaby's injury woes just puts things into context because nobody is guaranteed a long future in football.

His injury wasn't unexpected and I can't understand why Wenger has gambled on his fitness so much. When ever fit he gets thrown back into first team action. It's reckless and it seems as though Wenger should have eased him in instead. But who knows if that would have made a difference. It sounds as though his career is over and he's seen every specialist.

Diaby would've probably been awesome if he was fit for a couple of seasons. But it was never likely. And the most disturbing thing was that maybe even Wenger didn't think it was likely. He was just there to fill the numbers and give the illusion of depth because he is quite highly rated (was usually in the French NT if fit and Rooney said recently that Diaby was a top player).

[Ollie the Optimist]

Haha I remember he injured himself in that aswell !

tbf i was to injure myself, i would love to do it by kicking john terry in the face

[Niall_Quinn]

I was mainly irked by NQ's argument and wasn't impressed with the 'fuck him, he's rich' type arguments as if he deserves no sympathy at all. There has been a few posters that have let their frustration for the club boil over to this argument. If we were in a better league position and not pent up with so much frustration for the club and manager, I doubt there would be such hostility for the player and more just wishing him well.

Yeah well, as usual I didn't say 'fuck him, he's rich', I said I had zero sympathy (genuinely, I don't) and he's well looked after by comparison to the players this has happened to in earlier decades. I have no sympathy because I just don't feel any sympathy. I don't feel any connection to the player. I could pretend I had sympathy. Truth is, beyond this thread Diaby doesn't register in my thinking at all. Does he really, genuinely, cross your mind? Fine if he does, we're just different I guess and it has nothing to do with corporations or Barcelona.

Who do I have sympathy for? Rocky Rocastle's family I guess. Baby P, that one stuck on my mind. Abou Diaby? No, not at all. I have a bit of sympathy for some of the ex-footballers I see from the past who have to do shitty jobs today because they didn't get the big bucks back then. Not sympathy because they have to work for a living, we all have to do that, but sympathy because I remember them on a bigger stage and in better times. But that sort of sympathy is fleeting.

I'm sure it must be sad for Diaby he hasn't been able to play. Hasn't been sad for me though. Not because I'm happy he's injured (I'm not happy, sad or bothered) but because I never enjoyed him fucking up when he did make it on to the pitch. So okay, once a year he put in a decent performance. Why don't we get a cheaper player who can put in two decent performances a year?

[Power n Glory]

@ Syn. I agree. Could have been a massive player for us. Could be so dominant and influential when on his game. It's a real shame but he'll probably go on a free once his contract is up. But I can understand why Wenger would stick by Diaby in this case. He needs to be ruthless with certain players but Diaby was really young when he got done over by Dan Smith. Where else would he get top level treatment if we let him go when so young?

[Power n Glory]

Yeah well, as usual I didn't say 'fuck him, he's rich', I said I had zero sympathy (genuinely, I don't) and he's well looked after by comparison to the players this has happened to in earlier decades. I have no sympathy because I just don't feel any sympathy. I don't feel any connection to the player. I could pretend I had sympathy. Truth is, beyond this thread Diaby doesn't register in my thinking at all. Does he really, genuinely, cross your mind? Fine if he does, we're just different I guess and it has nothing to do with corporations or Barcelona.

Who do I have sympathy for? Rocky Rocastle's family I guess. Baby P, that one stuck on my mind. Abou Diaby? No, not at all. I have a bit of sympathy for some of the ex-footballers I see from the past who have to do shitty jobs today because they didn't get the big bucks back then. Not sympathy because they have to work for a living, we all have to do that, but sympathy because I remember them on a bigger stage and in better times. But that sort of sympathy is fleeting.

I'm sure it must be sad for Diaby he hasn't been able to play. Hasn't been sad for me though. Not because I'm happy he's injured (I'm not happy, sad or bothered) but because I never enjoyed him fucking up when he did make it on to the pitch. So okay, once a year he put in a decent performance. Why don't we get a cheaper player who can put in two decent performances a year?

It's no comparison to Rocky or Baby P but still....most people have some sympathy for him.

That recent challenge on the Newcastle kid dragged up the issue of nasty fouls and I always think of Eduardo and Diaby when I see such shit.


Abou Diaby? No, not at all. I have a bit of sympathy for some of the ex-footballers I see from the past who have to do shitty jobs today because they didn't get the big bucks back then.

Don't you think that's a little fucked up? So if Diaby was on a shitty salary that may have made a difference? What if he were forced into retirement right there and then after that tackle, Arsenal career cut short and at a time where there was still hope and optimism around the club. Before Stan and Gazidis. Would that make a difference to the sympathy level? He'd probably evoke more sympathy but because it's been a long drawn out and frustrating road, coupled by the fact that the Board and Wenger have really taken us for a ride, he's not getting that much sympathy from you.

[Niall_Quinn]

My clearly made point is that footballers are a lot better compensated these days than they were in the past. The threat of injury is still there but its consequences are massively reduced, in effect removed. Had Diaby been permanently injured on his debut he'd still have been entitled to the value of his contract, probably somewhere in the region of 2 million quid back then. So yes, it's unfortunate he hasn't been able to fully pursue his ambition of playing football from his point of view but at least (if he has a brain at all) the remainder of his life is taken care of financially. That's a luxury few if any of us have here I suspect.

He is of no use to the club, if we are realistic about it. He's been handsomely rewarded nonetheless so he's in the best position he could be in given his misfortunes. The club has lost out on its investment, a risk with all players so no great sympathy there either. The manager has been an idiot if he really thought he'd ever get anything from Diaby, or an insufferable cheapskate if he kept him on just to avoid activity in the transfer market. And the fans have ultimately footed the bill while observing an empty space in the midfield where the departed Song used to play and Diaby was never fit to play (in both senses).

Save your sympathy for the fans maybe?

[fakeyank]

It's a bit of a double standard and the player/fan loyalty talk is an illusion. I've heard so many berate RVP for leaving and other players for taking the money but if they had the sort if injury problems Diaby is going through, fans would be calling for them to be given the boot. There is no real loyalty. If we're going to talk logical then we can't really begrudge players wanting to leave for more reward at another club.

I dont begrudge players for leaving us. They are all leaving a sinking ship.. I'll still call them a c*nt coz they left my ship. Logically it doesnt make sense for any top player to stay at Arsenal with our priority only being just a top 4 finish. Similarly, logically, Diaby and Rosicky have no place at AFC.. they need to be moved on.

[Power n Glory]

My clearly made point is that footballers are a lot better compensated these days than they were in the past. The threat of injury is still there but its consequences are massively reduced, in effect removed. Had Diaby been permanently injured on his debut he'd still have been entitled to the value of his contract, probably somewhere in the region of 2 million quid back then. So yes, it's unfortunate he hasn't been able to fully pursue his ambition of playing football from his point of view but at least (if he has a brain at all) the remainder of his life is taken care of financially. That's a luxury few if any of us have here I suspect.

He is of no use to the club, if we are realistic about it. He's been handsomely rewarded nonetheless so he's in the best position he could be in given his misfortunes. The club has lost out on its investment, a risk with all players so no great sympathy there either. The manager has been an idiot if he really thought he'd ever get anything from Diaby, or an insufferable cheapskate if he kept him on just to avoid activity in the transfer market. And the fans have ultimately footed the bill while observing an empty space in the midfield where the departed Song used to play and Diaby was never fit to play (in both senses).

Save your sympathy for the fans maybe?

This is the point I've been getting at. If I always thought in terms of social hierarchy and class then why should I have sympathy for fans that can afford to spend a grand each year on a season ticket when I can't afford the same luxury. And make no mistake, it's a luxury not a neccesaity. See where I'm going?

It's getting long winded now and I don't see either of us moving on this one because it's more of a personal thing and it bugs me how you're able to bring finances and social hierarchy into almost every debate. I always tend to bite and challenge your opinion :lol:

[LDG]

NQ is minted. He just hates it.

[KSE Comedy Club]

My two cents.

Really don't give a fuck about diaby, never have, never will.

He's been an inconsistent and shit player from day 1. Should have been sold years ago.

It's nothing personal towards him, I've just become numb to this sort of shit in the same way that wenger and the board have become numb to us 'silly moaning fans'.

No other top 4 club would have kept diaby around, he's a liability who lacks ability to make us stronger.

Bye bye.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ is minted. He just hates it.

SILENCE! Commoner.

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/article?contentId=3879466

Doesn't sound like we are planning on getting rid of this waste of space

[I_Killed_Kenny]

someone, just put him out of his misery

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130403/shocking-graphic-all-abou-diabys-arsenal-injuries-194920?utm_source=talkSPORT.co.uk&utm_campaign=bfb1b5c487-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_source=talkSPORT.co.uk&utm_campaign=bfb1b5c487-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

[Power n Glory]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/article?contentId=3879466

Doesn't sound like we are planning on getting rid of this waste of space

“He might use the seven or eight months to get rid of all those injuries that he was struggling with. We're all hoping and praying that he comes back a better player.”

WTF does that mean? Wasn't he fully fit and over past injuries before picking up a new one? I don't trust the medical staff and thought Arshavin had a point when he said this.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Andrey-Arshavin-hits-out-at-Arsenal-medical-team-and-then-claims-Chelsea-deserve-to-win-the-Premier-League-article410789.html


“If it was only my own problem I would agree that it is my fault. That the Premier League is too hard for me with too many games etc. But when this happens almost to everyone for the last two or three years... I believe there should be some more global reason which we need to deal with.

“Something needs to be done about it in general and I talked to all Arsenal people who are *responsible for medical care.”

Diaby is injury prone and needs extra attention but the medical staff need to be looked into. When you see how Jack was run into the ground and out for a year, Chesney playing himself through injury with little training, Cesc being rushed back to play a Champs League game even though he was injured.....

It needs to be looked into. We pick up way too many injuries through training as well.

[Syn]

Up until the last 18 or so months, I'd agree PnG. But since then - and especially this season - we've had it pretty good with injuries. We've been mostly middle of this table: http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php , whereas for a few seasons
before we were always pretty much top. I also don't see it in Arsenal's interests to rush players back in this instance. We weren't even fighting for much this season (i.e. the stakes are not high) and Diaby hasn't even been playing too much. If they just focused on keeping Diaby fit for a season with 20-25 appearances, Arsenal would stand to gain a lot more by cashing in on his (relatively) high reputation in France. Sometimes a player just isn't lucky with injuries and it was irresponsible to count on him for a season and not replace Song.

[Power n Glory]

I think Wenger may have gotten into a bit of a panic with Jack's injury and the plan was to give Diaby a run in the team. Why not just let him sit on the bench and get used to training instead of trying to start him whenever possible? Rosicky has been sitting on the bench for months and was available for selection so I don't know why he was behind Diaby in the pecking order.

We have been better this season with injuries but I can't say for sure we've learned much. I'm surprised Cazorla and Arteta didn't break down before Jack and Theo because they looked dead on their feet before Christmas.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Hopefully he'll have 2-3 years out so we never have to suffer him playing for us again

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's the spirit!

[fakeyank]

someone, just put him out of his misery

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130403/shocking-graphic-all-abou-diabys-arsenal-injuries-194920?utm_source=talkSPORT.co.uk&utm_campaign=bfb1b5c487-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_source=talkSPORT.co.uk&utm_campaign=bfb1b5c487-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

Seems like he has pretty shitty calf muscles..

[GP]

He's back in training!

http://i.imgur.com/4VQH5Oi.gif

[Thierrymon]

He's back in training!

http://i.imgur.com/4VQH5Oi.gif

:lol:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Why hasn't this crock been taken out back yet?

[Fist of Lehmann]

He's back in training!

http://i.imgur.com/4VQH5Oi.gif

Where can I get highlights of this game?

[Injury Time]

:lol:


Where can I get highlights of this game?
At the end of 2013/2014 season- this will be the only highlight :ilt:

[Keith]

Sat down discussing a new deal :partytime:

[GP]

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/mattlamb1982/watch.jpg

[Letters]

Sat down discussing a new deal :partytime:

Course he is, he's not able stand for too long these days.

[fakeyank]

:haha:

Read Wenger kinda hint in his interview that whatever the outcome, its likely to be a 'pay as you play' deal rather than a full medical leave. At least thats what I inferred from the interview.

"little bit of presence" :haha:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150402/extra-wenger-on-diaby-and-title-race

[Letters]

I'd be ok with him on pay as you play. Nothing to lose with that.

[Maestro]

if he goes on a pay as you play deal, he will all of a sudden be available more times than not

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Pay as you play :lol:

When and where in footie has that ever been done?

Either cut the crock loose or charge Wenger for misappropriation of funds if he's kept on the books.

[Injury Time]

if he goes on a pay as you play deal, he will all of a sudden be available more times than not

Does he pay our "fitness" team when he's injured? If so, he'll be bankrupt by Christmas :rose:

[GP]

https://vimeo.com/48900778

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Lovely video of Abou.....

That game was masterful from him.

[Marc Overmars]

That performance is almost mythical.

[GP]

You can see why Wenger keeps him around. It's worth the gamble because he's an exceptional talent.

[GP]

He's finally been released.

Quite sad, in a way.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Certainly. I've got no ill-feelings towards the guy. Wasn't his fault and it's one of the rare incidents where I do genuinely feel sympathy for a PL footballer - had his entire career taken away from him as a result of a thuggish tackle.

Hopefully he's saved the money he's accumulated over the years carefully and can move on with his life, whether that's in football or something else.


Abou Diaby :rose:

[Penguin]

Should have happened a long time ago.

[Marc Overmars]

Wish him all the best and I hope he can go on to have some sort of playing career elsewhere.

[Power n Glory]

Yep, it's a shame. Wish him all the best. Had bags of potential and that game against Liverpool showed what could have been.

[Özim]

We've released Jack Jebb and Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill......heartbreaking.

The new Japanese Messi has also been released Ryo Miyaichi.

[Niall_Quinn]

We've released Jack Jebb and Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill......heartbreaking.

Will be for them.


The new Japanese Messi has also been released Ryo Miyaichi.

We'll have to sign somebody else to sell shirts in that neck of the woods now.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Diaby will have a stormer of a season with Palace next season.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He's finally been released.

Quite sad, in a way.
It is. While he'll never want for money, there is a lot of talent that went unfulfilled.

And for what? Some piece of shit whose only claim to anything of note in the sport is to have ruined a promising career at a point in the game when it never even fucking mattered.

[Marc Overmars]

Just Googled Dan Smith and came across this, never seen it before.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-sunderland-full-back-dan-smith-8167763

"I'm not that kind of player, me."

Cunt.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No bad feelings towards Diaby personally, if you're on a contract and being paid 60k a week regardless of whether you play or not...you're not going to turn it down...why would you?.

I just think it's an example where you have to say, Why do we let Wenger have any say in conducting player contract negotiations?.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Just Googled Dan Smith and came across this, never seen it before.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-sunderland-full-back-dan-smith-8167763

"I'm not that kind of player, me."

Cunt.

Actually i have to disagree, i don't think Dan Smith says anything here that's unreasonable....if he says he didn't go out to hurt Diaby i don't see any reason why not to take him at his word. Also i think it is patently ridiculous to suggest this tackle has been responsible for Diaby's injury record, instead we have a manager not taking his own responsibility....i wouldn't mind but Diaby is hardly the only player we have at the club plagued by injuries....now either Wenger has a talent for buying physically frail players or there is a culture of poor training methods/incompetent Medical staff at London Colney....I personally think it's a bit of both.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Actually i have to disagree, i don't think Dan Smith says anything here that's unreasonable....if he says he didn't go out to hurt Diaby i don't see any reason why not to take him at his word. Also i think it is patently ridiculous to suggest this tackle has been responsible for Diaby's injury record, instead we have a manager not taking his own responsibility....i wouldn't mind but Diaby is hardly the only player we have at the club plagued by injuries....now either Wenger has a talent for buying physically frail players or there is a culture of poor training methods/incompetent Medical staff at London Colney....I personally think it's a bit of both.

I don't know if you saw the tackle or not. It was intentional, it was pointless and his whole statement is that of a cunt. The only saving grace in that article is that it illustrates he has been a total failure in football.

[Mr. Lahey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNy4OyBaark

[Power n Glory]

I don't know if you saw the tackle or not. It was intentional, it was pointless and his whole statement is that of a cunt. The only saving grace in that article is that it illustrates he has been a total failure in football.

Yep. He's a piece of shit and more so after that statement.

[GP]

I don't know if you saw the tackle or not. It was intentional, it was pointless and his whole statement is that of a cunt. The only saving grace in that article is that it illustrates he has been a total failure in football.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpigjnKl7nI

[Niall_Quinn]

Who was Smith's manager back then? He's the one who hired the "assassin" (as Wenger puts it, and Wenger has probably chosen the word carefully). Obviously the tackle (assault) is deliberate and designed to cause maximum damage. Flying in, full weight, studs up? Certain red card but of course this is England and Arsenal don't like it up 'em on a cold, rainy night in Stoke. Can you comprehend a professional sporting league where one of the acid tests is the willingness to have a punch up in bad weather with a bunch of thugs? Anyway, the manager who sent his player out to cause harm has walked through the raindrops for sure.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Actually i have to disagree, i don't think Dan Smith says anything here that's unreasonable....if he says he didn't go out to hurt Diaby i don't see any reason why not to take him at his word. Also i think it is patently ridiculous to suggest this tackle has been responsible for Diaby's injury record, instead we have a manager not taking his own responsibility....i wouldn't mind but Diaby is hardly the only player we have at the club plagued by injuries....now either Wenger has a talent for buying physically frail players or there is a culture of poor training methods/incompetent Medical staff at London Colney....I personally think it's a bit of both.

It was a Shawcross situation. Sure he didn't anticipate the full extent of the damage he was going to do but he certainly went in to "rough" Diaby up and leave a mark. He was a young player then, barely featuring for even the Sunderland team then and wanted to impress his manager.

And no it's not ridicolous at all. I was listening to a medical/physio expert on an Arsenal podcast a while back (does some work for some Australian rugby league team or something) and he was explaining how damaging the ankle is the worst part to break at that age. The bones and muscles surrounding it weren't able to develop properly because of the break and they ended up being more susceptible to injury once the initial ankle break had healed.

It's not really a coincidence that Diaby wasn't really injury plagued prior to that incident and it's also kind of the reason why Jack keeps breaking down recently after his early ankle problems (which weren't as bad as Diaby's thankfully).

We're a big club with fans around the world and he's probably received a lot of grief from them whenever he's met one which is explains the pathetic attempts to apologise now.

This is him on twitter btw.

https://twitter.com/smudgerhung

Notice he's made his tweets private, probably as a result of abuse he got.


Mind you, I do also remember Diaby suffering some further horror challenges from the likes of Karl Robinson (WBA player) and Essien after that which probably were the final nails in his coffin in terms of him having any sort of impactful career.

Diaby :rose: ........ Just horribly unlucky.

Who was Smith's manager back then? He's the one who hired the "assassin" (as Wenger puts it, and Wenger has probably chosen the word carefully). Obviously the tackle (assault) is deliberate and designed to cause maximum damage. Flying in, full weight, studs up? Certain red card but of course this is England and Arsenal don't like it up 'em on a cold, rainy night in Stoke. Can you comprehend a professional sporting league where one of the acid tests is the willingness to have a punch up in bad weather with a bunch of thugs? Anyway, the manager who sent his player out to cause harm has walked through the raindrops for sure.

Think it was either your namesake or Keano.

Probably came up with the standard bollocks of, "He's not that type of player" afterwards as well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Poor old Dan Smith, the unsung victim in this saga.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3132469/Abou-Diaby-s-broken-leg-haunts-former-Sunderland-Dan-Smith-says-ex-Arsenal-star-s-injury-problems-killed-reputation-despite-not-fault.html

[Grebbo]

I think the Sunderland manager at the time was Mick McCarthy.

That DM article is a joke, no remorse whatsoever. It was a cowards tackle and was in stoppage time with us winning comfortably IIRC.

Diaby could have been some player.

[Marc Overmars]

Diaby released. It's official. :rose:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150701/diaby-among-five-players-leaving-arsenal

Some of the goals he scored in that little video montage are very Yaya Toure like. What could have been.

[GP]

He really was a special talent. Must be one of Wenger's biggest regrets.

[Letters]

Dignitas :bow:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Huge sense of relief washes over me

[Gooner23]

Right decision for him to go but I wish him well and think it's sad he never fulfilled his potential. I can see why Wenger gave him even chance as he showed flashes of brilliance.

[Power n Glory]

He really was a special talent. Must be one of Wenger's biggest regrets.

Yep. Agree with that. Wenger didn't want to give up on him and it's understandable. The game he had against Liverpool was really impressive.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Good fucking riddance! This perennial crock was allowed to steal a living for almost a decade. Some £25 mil trousered during that time for fuck all in return.

Has to be one of the biggest waste of resources in any sphere you can think of. Especially shocking for a manager who towed the destitute line for years.

[GP]

Nope

[Letters]

Nope

More of a response than that deserved tbh.

[Penguin]

We should have cut our losses years ago but better late than never. That picture someone posted of all of his injuries proves it wasn't because of the leg break, he was just made of glass.

I feel sorry for him that his career was ruined by injuries and all that, but I doubt he would have shown as much loyalty to Wenger as Arsene has shown in him, if he didn't have those injury problems. :coffee:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Didn't begrudge the club sticking by him.....moreover, I'm glad we did. I'd have not begrudged us putting him on a pay as you play type contract either (however comical it may sound).

The intangible of being known as a club that sticks by its players through thick and thin is one I like.....and even if it can't be quantified, it all factors into how we are received to outsiders..... not least of all prospective players.

[Syn]

Don't think he would've been a worldie. Wasn't sharp enough, but could've been useful because of his physical frame. Unlucky but he has made his millions so no need to be too sad about it.

[Özim]

Didn't begrudge the club sticking by him.....moreover, I'm glad we did. I'd have not begrudged us putting him on a pay as you play type contract either (however comical it may sound).

The intangible of being known as a club that sticks by its players through thick and thin is one I like.....and even if it can't be quantified, it all factors into how we are received to outsiders..... not least of all prospective players.

Players don't really seem to care about how loyal clubs are, look at the likes of Man City, Barca and Real, they all get rid of players when they feel it's not working out, doesn't stop other top players signing for them.

Fact is top players will leave these days if you're not winning the big prizes or at least close to winning them.

We were way too loyal with Diaby and a number of other players when in reality players show little or no loyalty in today's game, if a better offer comes up they more often than not take it.

Spending millions on players who can't stay fit when it could be used to buy other players who are is wasteful and a hnidrance as a crock in the squad means one less space available to bring in quality players.

[Power n Glory]

Didn't begrudge the club sticking by him.....moreover, I'm glad we did. I'd have not begrudged us putting him on a pay as you play type contract either (however comical it may sound).

The intangible of being known as a club that sticks by its players through thick and thin is one I like.....and even if it can't be quantified, it all factors into how we are received to outsiders..... not least of all prospective players.

:gp: Wenger's stubbornness, persistence, faith, whatever we want to call it, can be frustrating to watch at times but these sort of decisions I respect him for. It shows his class and the sort of loyalty he shows to players.

[Penguin]

It is admirable in a way, but when the players themselves don't show a shred of loyalty to Wenger or the club it makes you wonder why he does it. Cole, RVP, Cesc, Nasri, Adebayor, Sagna and Clichy have all jumped ship to whoever offers them a bigger cheque or a better chance of trophies. Not sure where their loyalty was after Wenger had persevered with them during their shit/development years only to walk away as soon as they got good. And for most of those to join our domestic rivals should have been a kick in the teeth for Wenger.

Potential or not, Diaby has been very lucky to have been with us for so long and on a generous contract for someone who never plays. Other clubs would have given up on him a long time ago and we probably should have done the same.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The point about having the good grace and showing class is because you believe those are good values to have as a club....not because you stand to gain.

Most players who have genuinely had any affection for the club have alluded to the above. Or do we want a manager that carries on like Mourinho?

I'm no, fool though....Wenger is no saint and the club aren't a benevolent charity. When we think a player is no longer worth our time, 9 times out of our 10 we discard the player and the club doesn't get hammered for doing so.

....and for that matter Diaby was partly persisted with because there was always a remote chance he would overcome and actually play some games.... were it impossible the club would cut their losses.

[Penguin]

It was a bad decision to give him his last contract either way you look at it. In a footballing sense it was a cheap gamble by Wenger, but if either Wenger or our medical team had done their research they should have known it was a pointless exercise.

If they wanted to show class they should have used that £65k per week to subsidise tickets for the fans who support the club through thick and thin instead of throwing it at a mercenary player who only thinks of our club as a stepping stone.

[adzzzbatch]

:wave: your someone else's problem now!*




Has he passed his medical yet? :pray:

[Niall_Quinn]

:wave: your someone else's problem now!*




Has he passed his medical yet? :pray:

He started the medical this morning and if all goes well he'll be a West Brom player by 2021.

[Letters]

:wave: your someone else's problem now!*




Has he passed his medical yet? :pray:

They're still trying to find a pulse.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Examined by Medical staff at West Brom

Might as well being in a pathologist

[adzzzbatch]

:lol: Love the replies!

[dazthegooner]

I say leave him alone he loved Arsenal just couldn't stay fit long enough to prove it...

[Maestro]

has he completed the 4 day medical yet? probably got injured doing cardio on the treadmill

[Power n Glory]

Marseille have announced an agreement with him. West Brom reports were false. I wish him well.

[Niall_Quinn]

has he completed the 4 day medical yet? probably got injured doing cardio on the treadmill

Yes, he's completed Day 4.

[Master Splinter]

ha ha ha diaby always injured lol deserves to die for being always lying on hospital bed no jk

[Master Splinter]

Alternatively, I wish him well and hope he tears up Ligue 1.

And we get the half of the transfer fee when PSG buy him for £40m in January.