the worst wenger side ever could be the best since 2006?

if we get third, and its now not that big an if, we really could get it if we perform like we have in the last three games, does this mean that htis years worst side could actually be wengers best side since 2006. there is something this season that i love about this team, the fight and desire they have shown, the spirit is great, i firmly believe if we keep this team as it is and get some good quality players in it could be a special team.

my point though is more, if we get third will this team be the best since 2006 instead of the worst. yes we dont have the worlds greatest players in it like last seasons but we have something more, we have players who care, this isnt just a job, its their club, a club they love. its great to see that at last

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

if we get third, and its now not that big an if, we really could get it if we perform like we have in the last three games, does this mean that htis years worst side could actually be wengers best side since 2006. there is something this season that i love about this team, the fight and desire they have shown, the spirit is great, i firmly believe if we keep this team as it is and get some good quality players in it could be a special team.

my point though is more, if we get third will this team be the best since 2006 instead of the worst. yes we dont have the worlds greatest players in it like last seasons but we have something more, we have players who care, this isnt just a job, its their club, a club they love. its great to see that at last

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Well certainly the team has more backbone than the last couple of years. A couple more players and we could be challenging for the title. If we can push to get 3rd, then there will be something to enjoy, seeing chavs drop below and watching spuds - who thought it was their big year to get above us and get in the CL while we failed - watching them whine as we are above and, who knows, them dropping out of the CL (and even Europa) places. Oh please let it happen.

The best team we've had in recent memory is 07-08, they got 83 points and only lost 3 games all season (Only 1 until the end of March). They collapsed, as Arsenal do of course, but the quality and consistency of that team is much better than the current crop.

If we get 3rd and finish 15+ points behind the champions, that is not progress, it is an indication of how weak the competition has been around us this year. Notably the worst Chelsea team in years and a stagnant Liverpool.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

The best team we've had in recent memory is 07-08, they got 83 points and only lost 3 games all season (Only 1 until the end of March). They collapsed, as Arsenal do of course, but the quality and consistency of that team is much better than the current crop.

If we get 3rd and finish 15+ points behind the champions, that is not progress, it is an indication of how weak the competition has been around us this year. Notably the worst Chelsea team in years and a stagnant Liverpool.

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I'm not convinced. I think that the other teams in the league who used to lie down and die for the top clubs now get up and in the faces of the top teams. Although manu are above and challenging, they have had plenty of games where they have only just scraped it because of how the lower teams have been playing. Comparing points from year to year is not a valid comparison - you have to look at how the other clubs performed that year in terms of effort. The only thing you can look at is relative position. 3rd is better than 4th even if you get fewer points.

The 2007/2008 was clearly our best side since then. I loved that team it actually did have real bottle, this team doesn't really, It's a race for fourth not first, they have had so many embarrassments and have less pressure catching up to fourth and have been aided by the worst Chelsea side in years. I know the first half yesterday was amazing but the second half summed the team up
the 2007/2008 scored a ton of last minute goals and I honestly believe if we had got past liverpool like we should have (walcott's equalizer was an amazing show of spirit) we could have beaten both chelsea and united. We were riding a wave of believe that season. Wenger nearly got it so right

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I'm not convinced. I think that the other teams in the league who used to lie down and die for the top clubs now get up and in the faces of the top teams. Although manu are above and challenging, they have had plenty of games where they have only just scraped it because of how the lower teams have been playing. Comparing points from year to year is not a valid comparison - you have to look at how the other clubs performed that year in terms of effort. The only thing you can look at is relative position. 3rd is better than 4th even if you get fewer points.

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I always like to look at how far we are from 1st, or if applicable as it is this year 2nd as well. To me that is the measuring stick we need to live by if we want to one day move up to that level.

3rd would good this year, mainly because we would have finished above Spurs - but in reality being 15 odd points behind where we want to be cannot be looked upon as significant progress. This is the same stagnant level we play at every year, only difference this year is that Chelsea are slumming it with us and Spurs have over-achieved.

One thing I would say though, is that there are certain characters and individuals in this team that are worth sticking with and believing in. Which is something you couldn't say for past teams.

It might well be the worst squad under Wenger. But football isn't played on paper and getting 3rd - if we get it - would be a good indicator that we've played greater than the sum of our parts. Or that we've got a goalscoring god up front who is playing at a level that has not been matched in England.

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I'm not convinced. I think that the other teams in the league who used to lie down and die for the top clubs now get up and in the faces of the top teams. Although manu are above and challenging, they have had plenty of games where they have only just scraped it because of how the lower teams have been playing. Comparing points from year to year is not a valid comparison - you have to look at how the other clubs performed that year in terms of effort. The only thing you can look at is relative position. 3rd is better than 4th even if you get fewer points.

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We were competing with a very strong Chelsea, a stronger Liverpool and the best Man United team of the decade who 'only' got 87 points and I argue the teams below were stronger then and the bottom teams are horrible this year.
If we had won the league that year it would have been a better accomplishment than the invincibles imo