If we don't finish 4th, do you want Wenger to leave at the end of the season?

Under normal circumstances, I would say he should go. And now. But this isn't normal circumstances, because whoever replaces him will have the exact same problem. No money, and no players.

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

spot on mate.

it Wenger who refuses to adapt to teams and play to our strenghts, its Wenger who keeps Oxo on the bench and Theo out wide etc etc

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what rubbish you go on about how if this was any other club he'd be sacked, so why has he not been is that part of the pr too, not its because the board are as useless as him they are as much to blame and those who think not are deluding themselves.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Adjective:
(esp. of a position or view) Not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection: "this argument is clearly untenable".
Synonyms: indefensible

So I don't think I've used the word in the wrong context here, but I bow to your superior wisdom.

And I'm not saying we should get Owen Coyle, that's just another smokescreen created by the pro-Wenger brigade to counter any criticism of the man. Yes, there are better managers out there at the moment, because I wouldn't put Wenger in the top 30 managers in the world at the moment.

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well you would not put RVP in the top 10 either so what you say is null and void anyways, but is the most stupid thing ever wrtitten on gw to say that.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Under normal circumstances, I would say he should go. And now. But this isn't normal circumstances, because whoever replaces him will have the exact same problem. No money, and no players.

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Agree but a new manager can't do no harm if we don't make top 4.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Under normal circumstances, I would say he should go. And now. But this isn't normal circumstances, because whoever replaces him will have the exact same problem. No money, and no players.

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I disagree mate (not in a WUMming way either) I think there are managers out there who could do a lot better with the squad we have, I look at the way teams like Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle and so on and we are by far better on paper to the extent we could play our second string and be expected to get a result and yet look how they play. Funny how Windshere bet with the Spurs fans about finishing above them, he should have spoken to the Geordie fans.

People talk about getting new players in to push us on and get that 4th place, well what about getting a new boss in for the same reason? We have far too many complacent players in the squad getting 1st team games week in week out while under-performing and looking disinterested. They need a good kick up the arse and wont get it from Wenger.

Look at Sunderland? New boss, same players and the results have completed changed i would also expect QPR to pick up significantly as well. For me the time is now not the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Joker

but I bow to your superior wisdom.

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cheers, thanks

i'm not sure there is anything more gay than this whole 'pro/anti wenger brigade' categorising nonsense on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

I disagree mate (not in a WUMming way either) I think there are managers out there who could do a lot better with the squad we have, I look at the way teams like Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle and so on and we are by far better on paper to the extent we could play our second string and be expected to get a result and yet look how they play. Funny how Windshere bet with the Spurs fans about finishing above them, he should have spoken to the Geordie fans.

People talk about getting new players in to push us on and get that 4th place, well what about getting a new boss in for the same reason? We have far too many complacent players in the squad getting 1st team games week in week out while under-performing and looking disinterested. They need a good kick up the arse and wont get it from Wenger.

Look at Sunderland? New boss, same players and the results have completed changed i would also expect QPR to pick up significantly as well. For me the time is now not the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Under normal circumstances, I would say he should go. And now. But this isn't normal circumstances, because whoever
replaces him will have the exact same problem. No money, and no players.

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LDG, how is this not normal circumstances? What proof do we have that we have no money? We make millions on matchday every week for crying out loud, what on earth are we doing with this money? Seriously??????

Arsene did have some some money to spend in the summer, he just didn't spend it wisely. He spunks millions on youth prospects & projects. If his job was on the line and he was pragmatic he would have bought starting XI quality in the summer, not more projects.

Anyway if we move away from the financial side of things we have tactical issues too...lack of organisation in defence, patchy midfield, weak offence. If we didn't have RVP i'm pretty sure we'd be a mid table side...that's how bad things have got.

I cannot believe some of you guys on here still put up with Arsene, he should've been fired 3 seasons ago!

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Originally Posted by selassie

LDG, how is this not normal circumstances? What proof do we have that we have no money? We make millions on matchday every week for crying out loud, what on earth are we doing with this money? Seriously??????

Arsene did have some some money to spend in the summer, he just didn't spend it wisely. He spunks millions on youth prospects & projects. If his job was on the line and he was pragmatic he would have bought starting XI quality in the summer, not more projects.

Anyway if we move away from the financial side of things we have tactical issues too...lack of organisation in defence, patchy midfield, weak offence. If we didn't have RVP i'm pretty sure we'd be a mid table side...that's how bad things have got.

I cannot believe some of you guys on here still put up with Arsene, he should've been fired 3 seasons ago!

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I wasn't saying he should stay, and I'm getting sick and tired of all the bullshit, and losing matches to inferior opposition.

At what point in my post did I say I was putting up with it? I'm not.

I thought we were fucking awful yesterday, and I'm usually pragmatic and patient when it comes to watching us. I was climbing the walls watching them huff and puff and give the ball away needlessly.

I want us to sign some players (the right players mind, not just spunking money for the sake of it) and I've siad before where I think we should be strengthening.

What I'm getting at, is that this board are happy to keep all the money we as fans spend, and I don't see that changing if we replace Arsene. In fact, I think he's done a half decent job in the transfer market with what he has been given to spend. I don't believe for one second that he wouldn't like more cash to spend on players. I don't believe he's that stupid. Stubborn and too much faith in youth / failed projects, maybe, but not thick.

The place is stinking to high heaven at the moment, but just changing the manager is not the answer. The only way we change our fortunes, is to start putting football higher on the list of priorities, from the board, to the manager, to the players....and until that changes, it won't make one bit of difference.