Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I tend to agree with Letters here, after the United result there was some jubilation but last night we seem to be angry for a result that happened three weeks ago.
We should have beaten Monaco no question asked and there is a clear pattern of us giving ourselves an impossible task in the first leg, 2012, 2013, 2014 and now 2015.
But Im almost getting the impression that people seem just as annoyed that we failed to overturn the deficit as getting ourselves into that position in the first place.
The first leg was embarrassing and its yet another example of why he isn't the man to take us forward, but frankly I had no issue at all with the performance last night.

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This is why I'd rather we hadn't won and just gone out on a damp squib. It was a fantastic performance, as good as we'll see from us away from home in Europe.

I didn't expect to win the CL but it's infuriating to exit like this again, especially against a team like Monaco. I just want to see some improvement in this competition we're all too happy to qualify for (because it's a cash cow) but not actually be competitive in.

And at the risk of weighing in he didnt ask whether beating Utd was an achievement he asserted that it wasnt.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

This is why I'd rather we hadn't won and just gone out on a damp squib. It was a fantastic performance, as good as we'll see from us away from home in Europe.

I didn't expect to win the CL but it's infuriating to exit like this again, especially against a team like Monaco. I just want to see some improvement in this competition we're all too happy to qualify for (because it's a cash cow) but not actually be competitive in.

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I will be honest part of me thought it would have been almost better if we hadnt won than at least there wouldn't be the overriding frustration of how did we manage to lose against such a team (two years against Bayern I was able to look at it as a great stand alone performance).
But the thing is we were already out before last nights game, even if for no better reason that we frankly don't have the firepower up front to overturn a first leg deficit (which obviously we shouldn't have had). So taking last night as stand alone I can say oh well least we tried.
Which logically makes sense because if you analyse everything in the grand scheme of how we aren't improving under Wenger you'll just make yourself depressed because like it or not he's with us until at least 2017. I say at least because I have a feeling he will be here after that and we are lumbered with him until 2020.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

And at the risk of weighing in he didnt ask whether beating Utd was an achievement he asserted that it wasnt.

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He may have a point. Leicester City have put 5 past United this season.

We played fairly well and 2-0 away from home in Europe is always a good result, no matter who the opponents are. But the pace we played at, and the lack of urgency was ridiculous. Especially after going 2-0 up, we had 17 minutes to score and we only made their keeper make one save. One save :haha:

I probably would have taken a face saving 2-0 win before the match, but the feeling I got after the match was that we could have scored four or five if we applied ourselves. Forget the first leg, we could have done it in this game.Wenger has instilled a mentality into these players that the goals will magically appear if we are patient enough.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Are celebrating and moaning our tits off the only two options?
The damage was done in the first leg. Over two legs we should have beaten Monaco, clearly. But given the result in the first leg and that stupid, stupid 3rd goal we left ourselves a mountain to climb.
Monaco hadn't conceded a goal in the CL all year at home, they've only conceded 7 at home in 14 league games. I don't know much about them but they seem like the boring boring Arsenal of France.
2-0 out there was a good result on the night but also a frustrating one because if we can do that we can surely beat them at home and so should have progressed.

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A tie is played over two legs, effectively it's like playing a match and being pummeled in the 1st half and then coming back in the 2nd half but ultimately still losing overall, the result last night is entirely irrelevant when you don't win the tie.

You could have predicted the result though, we've done this so many times now, when the pressure is off we win, but never quite by enough, it's always the same once we're close we just stop playing and often don't even have a shot at goal of note, at 2-0 we should have been throwing the kitchen sink at them, it's not like we couldn't afford to concede 1.

I'm sick of hearing excuses, a loss over two legs is a loss however you put it.

We're probably the worst kind of team to be for kitchen sink jobs. Wengerball is deeply ingrained, so no matter how urgent the situation is we won't stray too far from tippy tappy. Although maybe that's not a bad thing anyway because the crosses we did eventually start loading in were fucking dreadful.

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Originally Posted by Özim

A tie is played over two legs, effectively it's like playing a match and being pummeled in the 1st half and then coming back in the 2nd half but ultimately still losing overall, the result last night is entirely irrelevant when you don't win the tie.

You could have predicted the result though, we've done this so many times now, when the pressure is off we win, but never quite by enough, it's always the same once we're close we just stop playing and often don't even have a shot at goal of note, at 2-0 we should have been throwing the kitchen sink at them, it's not like we couldn't afford to concede 1.

I'm sick of hearing excuses, a loss over two legs is a loss however you put it.

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We won the second half against stoke earlier in the season to :lol:

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Originally Posted by adzzzbatch

We won the second half against stoke earlier in the season to :lol:

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You're cherry picking 2nd half results now, anyone can do that for any team.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

We're probably the worst kind of team to be for kitchen sink jobs. Wengerball is deeply ingrained, so no matter how urgent the situation is we won't stray too far from tippy tappy. Although maybe that's not a bad thing anyway because the crosses we did eventually start loading in were fucking dreadful.

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To be fair Monaco are expert bus parkers, we were pushing forward for the 3rd but it wasn't enough. It was hardly as though we were creating plenty of clear cut chances till we scored the 2nd goal and then stopped, we didn't have that many clear chances the whole game.