The only thing i'm saying is that maybe don't look to Gazidis too much as our salvation here, the way people cry for the moon for David Dein
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The only thing i'm saying is that maybe don't look to Gazidis too much as our salvation here, the way people cry for the moon for David Dein
You don't need to that. My expectations don't need handling and no where am implying he's the saviour. Didn't you say last week that he has some footballing knowledge and it may be Wenger that's rendering him powerless? I agree with that and have held on to that belief for a while now since he's joined. How competent he'll be with Wenger out of the way is a separate issue, but today we're talking about a possible power struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You still haven't quite grasped the concept that I will say whatever I want, saying you don't need to say this or why are you saying that seem to lend themselves to this misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Gazidis does have football knowledge of course, but we haven't had any real confirmation that for all his big talk he isn't another yes man. We will find out soon enough.
Hey, Herb, go fuck yourself. :good: Even when an argument is made that you agree with and have stated, you have to find something contrary to say just to be a prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...84#post4403084
I mean you wrote this not so long ago....sheesh.Quote:
Ivan Gazidis seems to me essentially powerless to do his job.
That if he tried to take any action regards to Wenger, Wenger would just bypass him
We know that he brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Joncker without Wengers blessing. And it's likely Wenger has not bothered to utilise them and has stuck within his own comfort zone.
I wonder if Wenger does sign on, Gazidis will play the long game or he will just leave. The latter wouldn't surprise me
The papers often report Wenger is the only one at the club with footballing knowledge, I genuinely don't think that's true though....Gazidis was part of the management structure for the MLS
And what part of that is contradictory to what I've just said exactly?
I think there is evidence he's tried to take control over footballing aspects, but equally definitively we don't know he's not a yes man. Will he ultimately give in to higher authority over this issue? Like I said we will see.
I also have stated that he is the only other person at the club other than Wenger with any knowledge of football, that's not in contradiction to saying I wouldn't trust him to completely get us out of this mess because of his previous balls up.
Maybe in the world you operate it, you can't see something from one that one perspective. There's no need to act like a big girl when other people do :shrug:
Just as well you don't go to games I can see you being one of those people getting into a hissy fit cat fight with someone :lol:
I've been a couple of times to the Emirates this season and not a scratch on me. How has your experience been so far this season?
It would help if you could grasp the points being made in a discussion and not try to assume something I haven't said. I haven't written anywhere in my post or even suggested Ivan could somehow save the club. It would help if you could stick to what's presented on the page without jumping to conclusions. You have listened to the points I've made about Ivan previously, agreed and added your own input and now have posted up a link to someone else that has a similar point of view. But as usual, you have to find a point to challenge even if it's totally irrelevant to the conversation and undermines what you've said last week. :doh: Politics as usual.
I simply made the point that although Gazidis is the nearest thing we have to a salvation it's a lamentable thing because I don't throughly trust in his competence or sincerity.
Now I said I would simply add to the point you made, I wasn't disagreeing with you but because you're impulsively driven to think that everything has to be an attack on your opinion if it doesn't immediately preface itself with I agree with you than you immediately start getting uppity.
Now youve failed to make the case where one thing I've said directly contradicts the other.
Gazidis can be both someone who has tried to influence the football aspect of things and be a yes man and the answer to whether he is both will be determined by what happens to Wenger and if Gazidis walks if nothing changes.
Gazidis can be someone with a detailed knowledge of football and someone who is prone to making stupid decisions. It doesnt mean that he definitely mean he wouldn't be more effective if given more responsibility in the event of Wenger going, it's adding the caveat that there is no definite that he will be.
I've not suggested you have claimed otherwise, I've just added my own input like I always have and will always continue to do most likely with your petulant bleating going on in the background.
Not been this season, I cancelled my red membership have been offered tickets but declined them.
I havent been regularly for about two years, used to use my brothers season ticket.
Unless I'm suffering from repressed memory I've never really been involved in heated arguments with fellow fans just before, during or after games. The nearest thing was when work friend was giving me a bit of stick over my barracking of Aaron Ramsey but this was during the season of his life when he was on top form so had to take it on the chin because at the time it did appear that I was wrong about him.
A little confused here.
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The only thing i'm saying is that maybe don't look to Gazidis too much as our salvation here, the way people cry for the moon for David Dein
So you think he's the nearest thing to salvation? That's a debate you're having with yourself. I never made that point and I don't know why you feel the need to imply that's how I view him. There is conversation to be had about how competent Gazidis is or can be without Wenger but that's not really for today, something I suggested earlier but you didn't pick up on it.Quote:
I simply made the point that although Gazidis is the nearest thing we have to a salvation it's a lamentable thing because I don't throughly trust in his competence or sincerity.
I didn't say you've made a contradiction. I said you're undermining the argument you made last week. Why sparked that? Gazidis could be a 'yes' man but you weren't thinking along those lines earlier today or last week.